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Cooper surfaced on December 18, 1988, when his account of +the fantastic secrets he learned while a Naval petty officer +appeared on a computer network subscribed to by ufologists and +others interested in anomalous phenomena. Cooper said that while +working as a quartermaster with an intelligence team for Adm. +Bernard Clarey, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Meet, in the +early 1970s he saw two documents, Project Grudge Special Report +13 and a Majority briefing. (In conventional UFO history, Grudge +was the second public Air Force UFO project, superseding the +original Sign, in early 1949 and lasting until late 1951, when it +was renamed Blue Book. Whereas Sign investigators at one time +concluded UFOs were of extraterrestrial origin--a conclusion the +Air force leadership found unacceptable--Grudge, as its name +suggests coincidentally or otherwise, was known for its hostility +to the idea of UFOs and for its eagerness to assign conventional +explanations, warranted or otherwise, to the sighting reports +that came its way.) Cooper's account of what was in these reports +is much like the by-now familiar story of crashes, bodies, +contacts and projects, with some elaborations. Moreover, he said +the aliens were called "ALFs" (which as any television viewer +knows, stands for Alien Life forms) and the "M" in MJ-12 is for +Majority not Majestic. Later he would say he had seen photographs +of aliens, including a type he called the "big-nosed grays"-like +those that supposedly landed at Holloman in 1964 or 1971. The +U.S. government was in contact with them and alien-technology +projects were going on at Area 51. + + If this sounded like a rehash of Moore and Lear, that was only +because Cooper had yet to pull out all the stops. On May 23, +1989, Cooper produced a 25-page document titled The Secret +Government: The Origin, Identity And Purpose of MJ-12. He +presented it as a lecture in Las Vegas a few weeks later. In +Cooper's version of the evolving legend, the "secret government," +an unscrupulous group of covert CIA and other intelligence +operatives who keep many of their activities sealed from even the +President's knowledge, runs the country. One of its first acts +was to murder one-time Secretary of Defense (and alleged early +MJ-12 member) James Forrestal the death was made to look like +suicide-because he threatened to expose the UFO cover-up. +Nonetheless, President Truman, fearing an invasion from outer +space, kept other nations, including the Soviet Union, abreast of +developments. But keeping all this secret was a real problem, so +an international secret society known as the Bilderbergers, +headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland, was formed. Soon it became +a secret world government and "now controls everything," Cooper +said. + + All the while flying saucers were dropping like flies out of the +heavens. In 1953 there were 10 crashes in the United States +alone. Also that year, astronomers observed huge spaceships +heading toward the earth and in time entering into orbit around +the equator. Project Plato was established to effect +communication with these new aliens. One of the ships landed and +a face-to-face meeting took place, and plans for diplomatic +relations were laid. Meanwhile a race of human-looking aliens +warned the U.S. government that the new visitors were not to be +trusted and that if the government got rid of its nuclear +weapons, the human aliens would help us in our spiritual +development, which would keep us from destroying ourselves +through wars and environmental pollution. The government rejected +these overtures. + + The big-nosed grays, the ones who had been orbiting the equator, +landed again, this time at Holloman AFB, in 1954 and reached an +agreement with the U.S. government. These beings stated that they +were from a dying planet that orbits Betelguese. At some point in +the not too distant future, they said, they would have to leave +there for good. A second meeting took place not long afterwards +at Edwards AFB in California. This time President Eisenhower was +there to sign a formal treaty and to meet the first alien +ambassador, "His Omnipotent Highness Krlll," pronounced Krill. +He, in common with his fellow space travelers, wore a trilateral +insignia on his uniform; the same design appears on all +Betelguese spacecraft. + + According to Cooper's account, the treaty's provisions were +these: Neither side would interfere in the affairs of the other. +The aliens would abduct humans from time to time and would return +them unharmed, with no memory of the event. It would provide a +list of names of those it was going to take. The U.S. government +would keep the aliens' presence a secret and it would receive +advanced technology from them. The two sides would exchange 16 +individuals each for the purpose of learning from and teaching +each other. The aliens would stay on earth and the humans would +go to the other planet, then return after a specified period of +time. The two sides would jointly occupy huge underground bases +which would be constructed at hidden locations in the Southwest. + + (It should be noted that the people listed as members of MJ-12 +are largely from the Council on Foreign Relations and the +Trilateral Commission. These organizations play a prominent role +in conspiracy theories of the far right. In a book on the subject +George Johnson writes, "After the Holocaust of World War II, +anti-Semitic conspiracy theories became repugnant to all but the +fringe of the American right. Populist fears of the power of the +rich became focused instead on organizations that promote +international capitalism, such as the Trilateral Commission, the +Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderbergers, a group of +world leaders and businesspeople who held one of their early +conferences on international relations at the Bilderberg Hotel in +the Netherlands" [Johnson, 1983]. According to Cooper, the +trilateral emblem is taken directly from the alien flag. He adds +that under Presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter MJ-12 became known +as the 50 Committee. Under Reagan it was renamed the PI-40 +Committee.) +end of part13 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1033.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1033.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8359b2a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1033.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +SUBJECT: E B E's FILE: UFO1033 + +PART 14 + + By 1955, during the Eisenhower years, Cooper charged, officials +learned for certain what they had already begun to suspect a year +earlier: that the aliens had broken the treaty before the ink on +it had time to dry. They were killing and mutilating both human +beings and animals, failing to supply a complete list of +abductees, and not returning some of those they had taken. On top +of that, they were conspiring with the Soviets, manipulating +society through occultism, witchcraft, religion and secret +organizations. Eisenhower prepared a secret executive memo, NSC +5411, ordering a study group of 35 top members (the "Jason +Society") associated with the Council on Foreign Relations to +"examine aIl the facts, evidence, lies, and deception and +discover the truth of the alien question" (Cooper, 1989). Because +the resulting meetings were held at Quantico Marine Base, they +were called the Quantico meetings. Those participating included +Edward Teller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger and Nelson +Rockefeller. + + The group decided that the danger to established social, +economic, religious and political institutions was so grave that +no one must know about the aliens, not even Congress. That meant +that alternative sources of funding would have to be found. It +also concluded that the aliens were using human organs and tissue +to replenish their deteriorating genetic structure. + + Further, according to Cooper, overtures were made to the Soviet +Union and other nations so that all the earth could join together +to deal with the alien menace. Research into sophisticated new +weapons systems commenced. Intelligence sources penetrated the +Vatican hoping to learn the Fatima prophecy which had been kept +secret ever since 1917. It was suspected that the Fatima, +Portugal, "miracle" was an episode of alien manipulation. As it +turned out, the prophecy stated that in 1992 a child would unite +the world under the banner of a false religion. By 1995 people +would figure out that he was the Anti-Christ. That same year +World War III would begin when an alliance of Arab nations +invaded Israel. This would lead to nuclear war in 1999. The next +four years would see horrible death and suffering all over the +planet. Christ would return in 2011. + + When confronted about this, claimed Cooper, the aliens candidly +acknowledged it was true. They knew it because they had traveled +into the future via time machine and observed it with their own +eyes. They added that they created us through genetic +manipulation. Later the Americans and the Soviets also developed +time travel and confirmed the Fatima/ET vision of the future. + + In 1957 the Jason group met again, by order of Eisenhower, to +decide what to do. It came up with three alternatives: (l) Use +nuclear bombs to blow holes in the stratosphere so that pollution +could escape into space. (2) Build a huge network of tunnels +under the earth and save enough human beings of varying cultures, +occupations and talents so that the race could reemerge after the +nuclear and environmental catastrophes to come. Everybody else- +i.e., the rest of humanity--would be left on the surface +presumably to die. (3) Employ alien and terrestrial technology to +leave earth and colonize the moon (code name "Adam") and Mars +("Eve"). The first alternative was deemed impractical, so the +Americans and the Soviets started working on the other two. +Meanwhile they decided that the population would have to be +controlled, which could be done most easily by killing off as +many "undesirables" as possible. Thus AIDS and other deadly +diseases were introduced into the population. Another idea to +raise needed funds was quickly acted on: sell drugs on a massive +scale. An ambitious young member of the Council on Foreign +Relations, a Texas oil-company president named George Bush, was +put in charge of the project, with the aid of the CIA. "The plan +worked better than anyone had thought " CooPer said. "The CIA now +controls all the worlds [sic] illegal drug markets" (Cooper, +1989). +end of part14 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1034.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1034.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0a626f7a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1034.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +SUBJECT: E B E's FILE: UFO1034 + +PART 15 + + Unknown to just about everybody, a secret American/Soviet/alien +space base existed on the dark side of the moon. By the early +1960s human colonies were thriving on the surface of Mars. All +the while the naive people of the earth were led to believe the +Soviets and the Americans were something other than the closest +allies. But Cooper's story got even more bizarre and byzantine. + + He claimed that in 1963, when President Kennedy found out some +of what was going on, he gave an ultimatum to MJ-12: get out of +the drug business. He also declared that in 1964 he would tell +the American people about the alien visitation. Agents of MJ-12 +ordered his assassination. Kennedy was murdered in full view of +many hundreds of onlookers, none of whom apparently noticed, by +the Secret Service agent driving the President's car in the +motorcade. + + In 1969, reported Cooper, a confrontation between human +scientists and aliens at the Dulce laboratory resulted in the +former's being taken hostage by the latter. Soldiers who tried to +free the scientists were killed, unable to overcome the superior +alien weapons. The incident led to a two-year rupture in +relations. The alliance was resumed in 1971 and continues to this +day, even as a vast invisible financial empire run by the CIA, +the NSA and the Council on Foreign Relations runs drugs, launders +money and encourages massive street crime so that Americans will +be susceptible to gun-control legislation. The CIA has gone so +far as to employ drugs and hypnosis to cause mentally-unstable +individuals to commit mass murder of schoolchildren and other +innocents, the point being to encourage anti-gun hysteria. All of +this is part of the plot, aided and abetted by the mass media +(also under the secret government's control), to so scare +Americans that they will soon accept the declaration of martial +law when that happens, people will be rounded up and put in +concentration camps already in place. From there they will be +flown to the moon and Mars to work as slave labor in the space +colonies. + + + The conspirators already run the world. As Cooper put it, "Even +a cursory investigation by the most inexperienced researcher will +show that the members of the Council on Foreign Relations and the +Trilateral commission control the major foundations, all of the +major media and publishing interests, the largest banks, all the +major corporations, the - upper echelons of the government, and +many other vital interests." + +Reaction to Lear and Cooper: Whereas Lear had felt some +obligation to name a source or two, or at least to mutter +something about "unnamed sources," Cooper told his lurid and +outlandish tale as if it were so self-evidently true that sources +or supporting data were irrelevant. And to the enthusiastic +audiences flocking to Cooper's lectures, no evidence was +necessary. By the fall of the year Cooper was telling his +stories--whose sources were, in fact, flying-saucer folklore, +AFOSI disinformation unleashed during the Bennewitz episode, +conspiracy literature, and outright fiction--to large crowds of +Californians willing to pay $l0 or $15 apiece for the thrill of +being scared silly. + + Lear and Cooper soon were joined by two other tellers of tales +of UFO horrors and Trilateral conspiracies, William English and +John Grace (who goes under the pseudonym "Val Valarian" and heads +the Nevada Aerial Research Group in Las Vegas). + + Few if any mainstream ufologists took these stories seriously +and at first treated them as something of a bad joke. But when it +became clear that Lear, Cooper and company were commanding +significant media attention and finding a following among the +larger public interested in ufology's fringes, where a claim's +inherent improbability had never been seen as an obstacle to +believe in it, the leaders of the UFO community grew ever more +alarmed. +end of part 15 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1035.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1035.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..603ab2d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1035.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +SUBJECT: E B E's FILE: UFO1035 + +PART 16 + + One leader who was not immediately alarmed was Walter H. Andrus, +Jr., director of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), one of the two +largest UFO organizations in the United States (the other being +the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies [CUFOS]). In 1987, +before Lear had proposed what some wags would call the Dark Side +Hypothesis, he had offered to host the 1989 MUFON conference in +Las Vegas. Andrus agreed. But as Lear's true beliefs became +known, leading figures within MUFON expressed concern about +Lear's role in the conference. When Andrus failed to respond +quickly, MUFON officials were infuriated. + + Facing a possible palace revolt, Andrus informed Lear that +Cooper, whom Lear had invited to speak at the conference, was not +an acceptable choice. But to the critics on the MUFON board and +elsewhere in the organization, this was hardly enough. One of +them, longtime ufologist Richard Hall, said this was "like +putting a Band-Aid on a hemorrhage" (Hall, 1989). In a heated +telephone exchange Andrus called Hall's objections to Lear "just +one man's opinion" and claimed support, which turned out not to +exist, from other MUFON notables. In a widely-distributed open +letter to Andrus, Hall wrote, "Having Lear run the symposium and +be a major speaker at it is comparable to NICAP in the 1960's +having George Adamski run a NICAP conference! " (NICAP, the +National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, of which +Hall was executive secretary in the late 1950s and much of the +1960s, was a conservative UFO-research organization which +attacked as fraudulent the claims of Adamski, who wrote books +about his meetings with Venusians and distributed photographs of +what he said were their spaceships.) Hall went on, "You seem to +be going for the colorful and the spectacular rather than for the +critical-minded approach of science; you even expressed the view- +in effect-that having a panel to question Lear critically would +be good show biz and the 'highlight' of the symposium. Maybe so, +but it obviously would dominate the entire program, grab off all +major news media attention, and put UFO research in the worst +possible light." Hall declared, "I am hereby resigning from the +MUFON Board and I request that my name be removed from all MUFON +publications or papers that indicate me to be a Board Member." + + Fearing more resignations, Andrus moved to make Lear barely more +than a guest at his own conference. He was not to lecture there, +as previously planned, and hosting duties would be handled, for +the most part, by others. Lear ended up arranging an "alternative +conference" at which he, Cooper, English and Don Ecker presented +the latest elaborations on the Dark Side Hypothesis. + Meanwhile another storm was brewing. On March 1, 1989, an +Albuquerque ufologist, Robert Hastings, issued a 13-page +statement, with 37 pages of appended documents, and mailed it to +many of ufology's most prominent individuals. Hastings opened +with these remarks: + + "First, it has been established that 'Falcon,' one of the +principle [sic] sources of the MJ-12 material, is Richard C. +Doty, formerly attached to District 17 Air Force Office of +Special Investigations (AFOSI) at Kirtland Air Force Base, +Albuquerque, New Mexico. Sgt. Doty retired from the U.S. Air +Force on October 1, 1988. + + + "How do I know that Doty is 'Falcon?' During a recent telephone +conversation, Linda Moulton Howe told me that when Sgt. Doty +invited her to his office at Kirtland AFB in early April 1983, +and showed her a purportedly authentic U.S. government document +on UFOs, he identified himself as code-name 'Falcon' and stated +that it was Bill Moore who had given him that name. + + "Also, in early December 1988, a ranking member of the +production team responsible for the 'UFO Cover Up?-Live' +television documentary confirmed that Doty is 'Falcon.' This same +individual also identified the second MJ-12 source who appeared +on the program, 'Condor' as Robert Collins who was, until +recently, a Captain in the U.S. Air Force. Like Doty, he was +stationed at KAFB when he left the service late last year." +(Collins, a scientist, was assigned to the plasma physics group +at Sandia National Laboratories on the Kirtland Air Force Base. +Following his retirement he moved to Indiana and remains actively +interested in UFOs.) + + Hastings reviewed evidence of Doty's involvement in the +concoction of various questionable documents and stories, +including the Ellsworth tale and the Weitzel affair. He also +noted important discrepancies between the paper Howe saw and the +MJ-12 briefing document. For example, while the first mentioned +the alleged Aztec crash, the second said nothing about it at all. +Hastings wondered, "[I]f the briefing paper that Sgt. Doty showed +to Linda Howe was genuine, what does that say about the accuracy +(and authenticity) of the Eisenhower document? If, on the other +hand, the former was bogus and was meant to mislead Howe for some +reason, what does that say about Richard 'Falcon' Doty's +reliability as a source for MJ-12 material as a whole?" +(Hastings, 1989). Hastings also had much critical to say about +Moore, especially about an incident in which Moore had flashed a +badge in front of ufologist/cover-up investigator Lee Graham and +indicated he was working with the government on a project to +release UFO information. (Moore would characterize this as a +misguided practical joke.) + + Both Moore and Doty denied that the latter was Falcon. They +claimed Doty had been given that pseudonym long after the 1983 +meeting with Howe. Howe, however, stuck by her account. Moore and +Doty said the real Falcon, an older man than Doty had been in the +studio audience as the video of his interview was being broadcast +on UFO Cover-up. . . Live. Doty himself was in New Mexico +training with the state police. +end of part 16 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1036.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1036.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..392b1d83 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1036.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +SUBJECT: E B E's FILE: UFO1036 + +PART 17 + +Moore's Confession: By mid-1989 the two most controversial +figures in ufology were Moore and Lear. Moore's MUFON lecture on +July 1 did nothing to quiet his legion of critics. On his arrival +in Las Vegas, Moore checked into a different hotel from the one +at which the conference was being held. He already had refused to +submit his paper for publication in the symposium proceedings, so +no one knew what he would say. He had also stipulated that he +would accept no questions from the floor. + + Moore's speech stunned and angered much of the audience. At one +point the shouts and jeers of Lear's partisans brought +proceedings to a halt until order was restored. Moore finished +and exited immediately. He left Las Vegas not long afterwards. + + In his lecture Moore spoke candidly, for the first time, of his +part in the counterintelligence operation against Bennewitz. "My +role in the affair," he said, "was largely that of a freelancer +providing information on Paul's current thinking and activities." +Doty, "faithfully carrying out orders which he personally found +distasteful," was one of those involved in the effort to confuse +and discredit Bennewitz. Because of his success at this effort, +Moore suggested, Doty was chosen by the real "Falcon" as "liaison +person, although I really don't know. Frankly, I don't believe +that Doty does either. In my opinion he was simply a pawn in a +much larger game, just as I was." + + From disinformation passed on by AFOSI sources, and his own +observations and guesses, according to Moore, "by mid-1982" +Bennewitz had put together a story that "contained virtually all +of the elements found in the current crop of rumors being +circulated around the UFO community." Moore was referring to the +outlandish tales Lear and Cooper were telling. Moore said that +"when I first ran into the disinformation operation . . . being +run on Bennewitz . . . [i)t seemed to me . . . I was in a rather +unique position. There I was with my foot . . . in the door of a +secret counterintelligence game that gave every appearance of +being somehow directly connected to a high-level government UFO +project, and, judging by the positions of the people I knew to be +directly involved with it, definitely had something to do with +national security! There was no way I was going to allow the +opportunity to pass me by without learning at least something +about what was going on. . . . I would play the disinformation +game, get my hands dirty just often enough to lead those +directing the process into believing that I was doing exactly +what they wanted me to do, and all the while continue to burrow +my way into the matrix so as to learn as much as possible about +who was directing it and why." Some of the same people who were +passing alleged UFO secrets on to Moore were also involved in the +operation against Bennewitz. Moore knew that some of the material +he was getting--essentially a mild version of the Bennewitz +scenario, without the horror, paranoia and conspiracy--was false, +but he (along with Jaime Shandera and Stanton Friedman, to whom +he confided the cover-up story in June 1982; Friedman, however, +would not learn of Moore's role in the Bennewitz episode until +seven years later) felt that some of it was probably true, since +an invariable characteristic of disinformation is that it +contains some facts. Moore also said that Linda Howe had been the +victim of one of Doty's disinformation operations. + + Before he stopped cooperating with such schemes in 1984, Moore +said, he had given "routine information" to AFOSI about certain +other individuals in the UFO community. Subsequently he claimed +that during this period this emphasis) "three other members of +the UFO community . . . were actively doing the same thing. I +have since learned of a fourth. . . . All four are prominent +individuals whose identities, if disclosed, would cause +considerable controversy in the UFO community and bring serious +embarrassment to two of its major organizations. To the best of +my knowledge, at least two of these people are still actively +involved" (Moore, 1989b). + + Although he would not reveal the identities of the government +informants within ufology, Moore gave the names of several +persons "who were the subject of intelligence community interest +between 1980 and 1984." They were: + + (1) Len Stringfield, a ufologist known for his interest in +crashed-disc stories; in 1980 he had been set up by a +counterintelligence operative who gave him phony pictures of what +purported to be humanoids in cold storage. + + (2) The late Pete Mazzola, whose knowledge of film footage from +a never-publicized Florida UFO case was of great interest to +counterintelligence types. Moore was directed to urge Mazzola to +send the footage to ufologist Kal Korff (who knew nothing of the +scheme) for analysis; then Moore would make a copy and pass it on +to Doty. But Mazzola never got the film, despite promises, and +the incident came to nothing. "I was left with the impression," +Moore wrote, "that the file had been intercepted and the +witnesses somehow persuaded to cease communication with Mazzola." + + (3) Peter Gersten, legal counsel for Citizens Against UFO +Secrecy (CAUS), who had spearheaded a (largely unsuccessful) +legal suit against the NSA seeking UFO information. + + (4) Larry Fawcett, an official of CAUS and coauthor of a book on +the cover-up, Clear Intent (1984). + + (5) James and Coral Lorenzen, the directors of the Aerial +Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) periodically "subjects of +on-again, off again interest . . . mostly passive monitoring +rather than active meddling," according to Moore. Between 1980 +and 1982 APRO employed a "cooperative" secretary who passed on +confidential material to counterintelligence personnel. + + (6) Larry W. Bryant, who was battling without success in the +courts to have UFO secrets revealed. Moore said, "His name came +up often in discussions but I never had any direct involvement in +whatever activities revolved around him." + + These revelations sent shock waves through the UFO community. In +September CAUS devoted virtually all of an issue of its magazine +Just Cause to a harshly critical review of Moore's activities. +Barry Greenwood declared that the "outrageousness" of Moore's +conduct "cannot be described. Moore, one of the major critics of +government secrecy on UFOs, had covertly informed on people who +thought he was their friend and colleague. Knowing full well that +the government people with whom he was dealing were active +disinformants, Moore pursued a relationship with them and +observed the deterioration of Paul Bennewitz'[s] physical and +mental health. . . . Moore reported the effects of the false +information regularly to some of the very same people who were +'doing it' to Paul. And Moore boasted in his speech as to how +effective it was" (Greenwood, 1989). Greenwood complained further +about Moore's admission that on the disastrous Cover-up . . . +Live show Falcon and Condor had said things that they knew were +untrue. "In the rare situation where two hours of prime time +television are given over to a favorable presentation of UFOs, +here we have a fair portion of the last hour wasted in presenting +what Moore admits to be false data. . . . Yet he saw fit to go +ahead and carry on a charade, making UFO research look ridiculous +in the process. Remarks by Falcon and Condor about the aliens' +lifestyle and preference for Tibetan music and strawberry ice +cream were laughable." So far as Greenwood and CAUS, skeptical of +the MJ-12 briefing document from the first, were concerned, "July +1, 1989, may well be remembered in the history of UFO research as +the day when the 'Majestic 12' story came crashing to Earth in a +heap of rubble. Cause of death: Suicide!" +end of part 17 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1037.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1037.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..181244e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1037.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +SUBJECT: E B E's FILE: UFO1037 + +PART 18 + + Nonetheless it seemed unlikely that MJ-12, EBEs, and other +cover-up matters would pass away soon. The Dark Siders appeared +well on their way to starting a new occult movement in America +and elsewhere. Among movie conservative ufologists many +legitimate questions about conceivably more substantive matters +remained to be answered. A reinvestigation of the Roswell +incident by Don Schmitt and Kevin D. Randle of CUFOS produced +what appeared to be solid new evidence of a UFO crash and cover +up. The emergence of Robert Lazar, who even a mainstream +journalist such as television reporter George Knapp concluded is +telling the truth as he knows it possibly suggested a degree of +substance to recurrent rumors about developments in Area 51 and +S4. Even Moore's critics were puzzled by the extraordinary +interest of intelligence operatives in ufologists and the UFO +phenomenon, going back in time long before Bennewitz's +interception of low-frequency signals at Kirtland and ahead to +the present. Why go to all this trouble and expense, with so many +persons over such a period of time, if there are no real UFO +secrets to protect? + + Moore says he is still working with the "birds," who are as +active as ever. The birds tell him, he says, that disinformation +is used not only against ufologists but even against those +insiders like themselves who are privy to the cover-up. Those in +charge are "going to great lengths to mislead their own people." +At one point the birds were told that there is no substance to +abduction reports, only to learn later, by accident, that a major +high-level study had been done. "Even people with a need to know +didn't know about it," he says. "The abduction mess caused a lot +of trouble. There may have been an official admission of the +cover-up by now if the abductions had not come into prominence in +the 1980s." + + As for the stories of ongoing contact between the U.S. +government and extraterrestrial biological entities, he says +there is, in his observation, a "pretty good possibility, better +than three to one," that such a thing is happening. "But I don't +think we can communicate with them. Perhaps we only intercept +their communications. Or maybe they communicate with us." + + He thinks he has found MJ-12. "It's not in a place anybody +looked," he says. "Not an agency one would have expected. But +when you think about it, it fits there" (Moore, 1990). + + Doty, now a New Mexico State Police officer, was decertified as +an AFOSI agent on July 15, 1986, for "misconduct" related to an +incident (not concerned with UFOs) that occurred while he was +stationed in West Germany. In August Doty requested a discharge +from the Air Force and was sent to New Jersey to be separated +from the service. But then, Doty says, the Senior Enlisted +Advisor for AFOSI made a trip to the Military Personnel Center at +Randolph AFB, Texas, and asked that Doty be reassigned to +Kirtland, where his son lived. In September Col. Richard Law, +Commander of AFOSI District 70, rescinded Doty's decertification +and assigned him to Kirtland as a services career specialist +(i.e., an Air Force recruiter). When he left the Air Force in +October 1988, he was superintendent of the 1606 Services +Squadron. Doty remains close to Moore and uncommunicative with +nearly everyone else. All he will say is that one day a book will +tell his side of the story and back it up with "Official +Government Documents" (Doty, 1989). + +Sources: + + Berk, Lynn, and David Renzi. "Former CIA + +Pilot, Others Say Aliens Are Among Us." Las Vegas Sun (May 22, +1988). + + Cannon, Martin. "Earth Versus the Flying Saucers: THe Amazing +Story of John Lear." UFO Universe 9 (MarcH 1990): 8-12. + + Clark, Jerome. "Editorial: Flying Saucer Fascism." International +UFO Reporter 14, 4 (July/August 1989): 3, 22-23. + + Cooper, Milton William. The Secret Government: The Origin, +Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12. Fullerton, CA: The Author, May +23, 1989. + + Doty, RicHard. Letter to Philip J. Klass (May 24, 1989). + + Emenegger, Robert. UFO's Past, Present and Future. New York: +Ballantine Books, 1974. + + Friedman, Stanton T. "MJ-12: THe Evidence So Far." International +UFO Reporter 12, 5 (September/October 1987): 13-20. + + Govt. -Alien Liaison? Top-Secret Documents. New Brunswick, NJ: +UFO Investigators League, D.d. + + Greenwood, Barry. "A Majestic Deception." Just Cause 20 +(September 1989): 1-14. + + Greenwood, Barry. "Notes on Peter Gersten's Meeting witH SA +RicHard Doty, 1/83." Just Cause 16 (June 1988): 7. + + Hall, RicHard H. Letter to Walter H. Andrus, Jr. (MarcH 18, +1989). + + Hastings, Robert. The MJ-12 Affair: Facts, Questions, Comments. +Albuquerque: THe Author, March 1, 1989. + + Howe, Linda Moulton. An Alien Harvest: Further Evidence Linking +Animal Mutilations and Human Abductions to Alien Life Forms. +Littleton, CO: Linda Moulton Howe Productions, 1989. + + Information Originally Intended for Those in the Intelligence +Community Who Have a "Need to Know" Clearance Status. Canadian +U.F.O. Research Network: Toronto, n.d. + + Johnson, George. Architects of Fear: Conspiracy Theories and +Paranoia in American Politics. Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, +Inc., 1983. + + Maccabee, Bruce, ed. Documents and Supporting Information +Related to Crashed Flying Saucers and Operation Majestic Twelve. +Mount Rainer, MD: Fund for UFO Research, 1987. + + Moore, William L. "Crashed Saucers: Evidence in Search of +Proof." In Walter H. Andrus, Jr., and Richard H. Hall, eds. MUFON +1985 UFO Symposium Proceedings, 130-79. Seguin, TX: Mutual UfO +Network, Inc., 1985. Rept.: Burbank: The Author, 1985. + + Moore, William L. Interview with Jerome Clark (January 5, 1990). + + Moore, William L. The Roswell Investigation: Update and +Conclusions 1981. Prescott, AZ: The Author, 1981. Rev. ed.: The +Roswell Investigation: New Evidence in the Search for a crashed +UFO. Prescott, AZ: The Author, 1982. + + Moore, William L. "UfOs and the U S Government, Part 1." Focus +4, 4-5-6 (June 30 + 1989a): 1-18. ' + + Moore, William L. "UfOs and the U S Government, part 11." Focus +4, 7-8-9 (September 30, 1989b): 1-3. + + Pratt, Bob. "The Truth About the 'Ellsworth Case.'" MUFON UFO +Journal 191 (January 1984) 6-9. ' + + Scully, Frank. Behind the Flying Saucers. New York: Henry Holt, +1950, + + Scully, Frank. "What I've Learned Since Writing 'Behind the +Flying Saucers.'" Pageant 6 (February 1951): 76-81. + + Steinman, William S., with Wendelle C. Stevens. UFO Crash at +Aztec: A Well Kept Secret. Tucson, AZ: UFO Photo Archives, 1986. + + Stringfield, Leonard H. "Status Report on Alleged Alien Cadaver +Photos." MUFON UFO Journal 154 (December 1980): 11-16. + + Todd, Robert G. "MJ-12 Rebuttal." MUFON UFO Journal 261 (January +1990): 17-20. + + +* Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO Research +Network * + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1038.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1038.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fd1c6b0b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1038.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve...Introduction FILE: UFO1038 + +PART 1 + +I have decided to come out of the closet and let the UFO community +know everything that I know and have seen and that my sources have +communicated to me over the last 17 years regarding the UFO question. +I have uploaded the truth to several who have gained my trust over +the last few months. Those people are Tom Mickus, Don Ecker, Stan +Friedman, Bryon Smith, John Lear, and one other who`has chosen not +to be identified at this time. I am releasing this information at +this time to the public and I am releasing those named people from +their bond of silence regarding the subject. Once you read the +information you will be clear on my past actions and on what I know. +I hope that you all can come to some kind of pact on sharing information +as what I am releasing is for the most part documented and in your +hands but not shared. + +Some of the information you have never had before and will provide +serious UFOlogists with much fertile ground for research. I hope +you all can benefit and most of all I hope this helps to expose the +whole issue as quickly as possible. + +Merry Christmas, +Bill + + ======================================== + + +When I released PUBLIC02.DOC my purpose was to expose the documents +and information released by William Moore et al as being fraudulent +and misleading. Indeed it was. MAJESTIC TWELVE is an advisory team +of scientists who's only purpose is to evaluate information and make +recomendations. This team does exist as a scattered bunch of men +who do not meet regularly as a group. The information gathered by +the control group MAJI is released to MAJESTIC TWELVE when study is +needed. MAJESTIC TWELVE has never been given the whole truth. MAJI +is the MAJESTIC AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE and has total control +of information and interface with the aliens in dealings with the +United States Government. + +Some of the documents released by Moore were changed from the original +with the deliberate intent to mislead UFO researchers. I do not know +who is responsible but I believe that the Government is behind the +whole thing. The rest of the documents are deliberate frauds. I am +releasing the truth which I have obtained from excellent sources within +the intelligence community in order to set the record straight. + +MAJI is the sole agency in control and responsible for every past +and present consequence of contact with the alien presence. MAJIC +is the security classification of all projects and information connected +with the aliens, their craft, their bases, and dealings with the United +States Government. MAJIC means MAJI CONTROLED. MAJIC is the highest +security classification in the nation. + +The name of the overall project is GRUDGE and always has been. GRUDGE +is the proword for AQUARIUS and a few other projects as you will see +when you read the rest of this file. + +The AQUARIUS document released by Moore which he claims was given +to him by Mr. Graham was changed and I am including a reconstructed +document as it was presented to me by one of my sources. I am also +including all the information (in short form) that I presently have +regarding the U.S. Government and the Aliens. This information has +been reviewed by 3 different people who know the information but do +not know each other and they have made some corrections to the document. +If the information deviates somewhat from information that I have +previously released it is due to those corrections. My previous +information was from memory of documents seen over 16 years ago and +I am pleased that my memory has withstood the rigors of time quite +well. In case you doubt that I had the information previous to this +release you may check with Stan Friedman, Tom Mickus, Don Ecker, John +Lear, and Bryon Smith as I had given the information to them some +time ago. + +Any document you see where I stated that MAJESTIC TWELVE was the control +group was a test of Moore et al and was never to be posted or released +publicly. The public posting of those documents was done by Jim Spieser +against my wishes. He was told that the information was mixed as +a test but he posted them anyway. They contain true and false information +and should be ignored. The information contained in this file is +true and correct to the best of my knowledge and to the knowledge +of my sources. THIS IS THE ONLY FILE REGARDING THE GOVERNMENT AND +THE ALIENS THAT I CAN HONESTLY SAY IS THE TRUE INFORMATION IN WHOLE +AS I KNOW IT. It is backed by the John Lear Hypothesis, Paul Bennewicz' +information, William Stienman's information, the Fenwick interview, +and other bits of information which is in the hands of UFOLOGISTS. +The test of time will prove this information to be true and correct. +Nothing in this file contradicts my PUBLIC02.DOC. This file should +clear the air regarding my statements and actions thus far. In this +file you will find information which you have never had before and +it should open up numerous paths for SERIOUS UFO researchers to explore. + +I have many documents and letters to back up this information much +of which I have already released and much of which is the product +of your own research. John Lear has in his possession many letters +and documents which will also back up this file. William Stienman +is another. I would also direct you to Don Ecker's SPOOK.DOC, and +to bits of Moore's information (fraudulent though it may be it does +contain some truth). The Fenwick interview is another source of +information, along with the FEDEX files on Paranet Alpha. The Bill +English file is another excellent source as he really did read the +GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13. The letter from the man who participated +in Project PLUTO is right on the money although he mistook the term +PLUTO/POUNCE as being project PLUTO that he worked on. He was a part +of POUNCE which comes under Project PLUTO thus PLUTO/POUNCE. The +first word is always the Proword and parent project while the second +word is the project itself. + +Another FEDEX file contains the account of a man who worked at AREA +51 in Nevada and stumbled upon Project REDLIGHT. The correct name +is GRUDGE/REDLIGHT. Put ALL your information together from ALL your +different files you will see that this information is all there for +you to see and verify from different sources who neither know each +other or even know about each other in most instances. It is all +there and all you need to do is put it together. I must admit that +I had a much easier time of it having seen the information and having +excellent sources. I knew what to look for, but at least I looked. + +William Moore must know much more than he lets on. He has to know +something other than the phony information that he has released or +he would not go to such pains to alter the information (by his own +admission). I cannot believe that he has been so completely duped +after having read "The Roswell Incident". + +end of part 1 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1039.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1039.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..08b2c224 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1039.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve...Introduction FILE: UFO1039 + +PART 2 + + TOP SECRET/MAJIC + + + EXECUTIVE CORRESPONDENCE + EXECUTIVE BRIEFING + + SUBJECT: + + MAJI + + PROJECT GRUDGE/AQUARIUS (TS/MAJIC) + + (Graphic of finned rocket enclosed in + circle bisected vertically by dashes.) + + + ATTENTION + + THIS DOCUMENT WAS PREPARED BY MAJI. + MAJI IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS SUBJECT MATTER. + + + + DOCUMENT CONTROL: ECN 0001 + +(Graphic of world + in circle.) CLASSIFIED BY: MJ1/MAJI + + DECLASSIFY ON: EXEMPT + + TOP SECRET/MAJIC + + PROJECT AQUARIUS + + +(TS/ORCON) (PROWORD): GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented +information collected from the beginning of the United States' +investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Identified +Alien Crafts (IAC). The Project was originally established in 1953, +by order of President Eisenhower, under control of CIA and MAJI. +In 1960, the Project's name was changed from Project SIGN to Project +Aquarius. The Project was funded by CIA confidential funds +(non-appropriated). The Project assumed full responsibility for +investigation and intelligence of UFOs/IACs Dec 1969 after Project +Grudge/Blue Book was closed. The purpose of Project Aquarius was +to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence +information from UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms. +This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance +the United States' Space Program. + + +(TS/ORCON) The preceeding briefing is an historical account of the +United States Government's investigation of Aerial Phenomenas, Recovered +Alien Aircraft, and contacts with extra- terrestrial Life Forms. +end of part 2 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1040.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1040.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d0d5876f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1040.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve...Introduction FILE: UFO1040 + +PART 3 + + TOP SECRET/MAJIC + + THE PROJECTS UNDER PROJECT AQUARIUS + + +1. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT PLATO: (PROWORD: AQUARIUS) Originally +established as part of Project SIGN in 1954. Its mission was to establish +diplomatic relations with Aliens. This Project was successful when +mutually acceptable terms were agreed upon. These terms involved +the exchange of technology for secrecy of Alien presence and non +interference in Alien affairs. Aliens agreed to provide MAJI with +a list of human contacts on a periodic basis. This Project is continuing +at a site in New Mexico. + +2. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT SIGMA: (PROWORD: AQUARIUS) Originally +established as part of Project SIGN in 1954. Became a separate project +in 1976. Its mission was to establish communication with Aliens. +This Project met with positive success (sic) when in 1959, the United +States established primative communications with the Aliens. On April +25, 1964, a USAF intelligence officer met with Aliens at Holloman +AFB, New Mexico. The contact lasted for approximately three hours. +After several attempted methods of communicating the intelligence +officer managed to exchange basic information with the Aliens +(Atch 7). This Project is continuing at a site in New Mexico. + +3. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT REDLIGHT: (PROWORD GRUDGE) Originally +established in 1954. Its mission was to test fly a recovered Alien +aircraft. First attempts resulted in destruction of the craft and +death of the pilot. This Project was resumed in 1972. This Project +is continuing in Nevada. + +4. (TS/ORCON) PROJECT SNOWBIRD: (PROWORD REDLIGHT) Originally +established in 1954. Its mission was to develop, using conventional +technology, and fly a flying saucer type craft for the public. This +Project was successful when a craft was built and flown in front of +the press. This Project was used to explain UFO sightings and to +divert public attention from Project REDLIGHT. + + + TOP SECRET/MAJIC + +MAJESTY + +The Proword for MAJI. The Proword for MAJESTIC TWELVE. The Proword +for GRUDGE. MAJESTY is the only word on the cover sheet of the AQUARIUS +document. It is plain that the executive decision makers are MAJESTY. +MAJESTY is the name of all the efforts combined. On the executive +level MAJESTY IS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE ALIENS AND EVERYTHING CONNECTED +WITH THEM. The way intelligence and TOP SECRET information is protected +accounts for the previous confusion regarding the control of this +subject. Everything under MAJESTY is broken down into compartments +and difficult to trace to a higher authority. ALL information of +important nature of any kind is handled in this manner and is designed +to confuse those who would attempt to uncover the secret. MAJESTY +IS THE WORD YOU ALL HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT TIES IT ALL TOGETHER. + + +MAJI + +MAJESTIC AGENCY for JOINT INTELLIGENCE The TOP SECRET/MAJIC project +control group responsible for EVERY ASPECT OF INTERFACE WITH THE ALIEN +LIFE FORMS INCLUDING SECURITY & INTELLIGENCE, AND DISINFORMATION TO +PREVENT PUBLIC OR FOREIGN DISCLOSURE OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE. MAJI +IS RESPONSIBLE ONLY TO THE PRESIDENT. (THIS IS WHY ALL DOCUMENTS +REFERRING TO "MAJESTIC" OR ANY OTHER FORM OF THAT NAME ARE WRONG.) +MAJI IS ONGOING IN WASHINGTON DC. + + +MAJESTIC TWELVE + +A selected team of experts in many different fields who evaluate +information, technology, biology and other facets of the alien presence +in order to better understand the phenomenon. MAJESTIC TWELVE makes +recommendations and presents scientific direction when needed. MAJESTIC +TWELVE does not know all the information and does not meet as a group. +Members are given information on a need to know basis only. Biologists, +for example, are not given information regarding any other subject. + + +MAJIC + +SECURITY CLASSIFICATION OF ALL MAJI AND AQUARIUS INFORMATION. MAJIC +MEANS "MAJI CONTROLLED". MAJIC IS THE HIGHEST SECURITY CLASSIFICATION +IN THE NATION. + + +MJ-1 + +DIRECTOR OF MAJI. THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA IS USUALLY MJ-1 AND REPORTS +ONLY TO THE PRESIDENT. (OTHER MEMBERS OF MAJI ARE DESIGNATED MJ-2, +MJ-3, MJ-4, etc. This is why MJ-12 CANNOT BE USED AS A NAME FOR THE +CONTROL GROUP AS IT WOULD CAUSE CONFUSION IN MEANING, i.e. (IS IT +REFERRING TO MJ-12 THE PERSON OR MJ-12 THE GROUP.) ANY REFFERENCE +TO MJ-12 IS TO A PERSON AND NOTHING ELSE. (THIS IS WHY ANY DOCUMENT +REFFERING TO "MJ-12" AS A "GROUP" IS WRONG.) + + +BLUE TEAM + +THE FIRST PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR REACTION/RECOVERY OF DOWNED/CRASHED +ALIEN CRAFT AND/OR ALIENS. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE MATERIAL COMMAND +PROJECT. + + +SIGN + +THE SECOND PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTION OF INTELLIGENCE AND +DETERMINING WHETHER ALIEN PRESENCE CONSTITUTED A THREAT TO THE NATIONAL +SECURITY. SIGN ABSORBED BLUE TEAM. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE/CIA PROJECT. +end of part 3 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1041.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1041.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0d7bd39f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1041.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve..Introduction FILE: UFO1041 + +PART 4 + +GRUDGE + +THE OVERALL PROJECT WITH THE SAME MISSION AS SIGN. GRUDGE ABSORBED +SIGN. GRUDGE IS THE PROWORD FOR AQUARIUS. + + +AQUARIUS + +THE THIRD AND FINAL PROJECT. AQUARIUS ABSORBED ALL PREVIOUS PROJECTS. +FUNDED BY CIA CONFIDENTIAL NON APPROPRIATED FUNDS. THE PURPOSE OF +PROJECT AQUARIUS IS TO COLLECT ALL SCIENTIFIC, TECHNOLOGICAL, MEDICAL +AND INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION FROM UFO/IAC SIGHTINGS AND CONTACTS WITH +ALIEN LIFE FORMS. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. This project began as +an Air Force project under SIGN but was taken over by NSA. ALL PROJECTS +CONNECTED WITH THE ALIENS ARE NOW INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY CONTROLLED. + + +SIGMA + +SIGMA WAS TASKED WITH COMMUNICATING WITH THE ALIENS. THIS OPERATION +WAS SUCCESSFUL. + + +PLATO + +PLATO WAS ESTABLISHED TO FORM DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE ALIEN +LIFE FORMS. THIS PROJECT WAS SUCCESSFUL. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. + + +POUNCE + +THIS PROJECT WAS FORMED TO RECOVER ALL DOWNED/CRASHED CRAFT AND ALIENS. +THIS PROJECT PROVIDED COVER STORIES/OPERATIONS TO MASK TRUE ENDEAVOR +WHEN NECCESSARY. COVERS WHICH HAVE BEEN USED: CRASHED EXPERIMENTAL +AIRCRAFT, CONSTRUCTION, MINING, ETC. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. +THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. + + +PLUTO + +ESTABLISHED TO EVALUATE ALL UFO/IAC INFORMATION PERTAINING TO SPACE +TECHNOLOGY. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. PLUTO IS THE PROWORD FOR POUNCE. + + +REDLIGHT + +MISSION WAS TO TEST FLY RECOVERED ALIEN CRAFT THIS PROJECT WAS POSTPONED +AFTER EVERY ATTEMPT RESULTED IN DESTRUCTION OF THE CRAFT AND DEATH +OF THE PILOTS. THIS PROJECT WAS CARRIED OUT AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA +(GROOM LAKE), and some flights were performed at DREAMLAND. PROJECT +REDLIGHT WAS RESUMED IN 1972. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PARTIALLY SUCCESSFUL. +UFO SIGHTINGS OF CRAFT ACCOMPANIED BY BLACK HELICOPTORS ARE PROJECT +REDLIGHT ASSETS. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA. + + +SNOWBIRD + +Established as a COVER for Project REDLIGHT. A flying saucer "TYPE" +craft was built using conventional technology. It was unvieled to +the press and flown in public on several occassions. The purpose +was to explain accidental sightings or disclosures of REDLIGHT as +having been the SNOWBIRD craft. This was a very successful disinformation +operation. This Project is only activated when needed. It has not +been used for many years. This project is currently in mothballs +until needed again. (This is another reason that Moore's information +is fraudulent.) + + +LUNA + +CODE NAME FOR THE ALIEN UNDERGROUND BASE. THE BASE IS ALIEN CONTROLLED +AND DELTA/ALIEN PROTECTED. LUNA IS ONGOING IN NEW MEXICO. ALIEN +DETACHMENTS EXIST AT DREAMLAND AND AT AREA 51. + + +FAR SIDE OF THE MOON + +An alien base on the dark side of the moon where large machines were +sighted by the Apollo Astronauts. It is believed to be a mining operation. + + +NRO + +NATIONAL RECON ORGANIZATION. BASED AT FORT CARSON, COLORADO. +RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY FOR ALL ALIEN OR ALIEN CRAFT CONNECTED PROJECTS. +USE UNMARKED BLACK HELICOPTORS. FOR ALL ALIEN OR ALIEN CRAFT CONNECTED +ONGOING. + + +DELTA + +SECURITY TEAMS FROM NRO ESPECIALLY TRAINED TO PROVIDE ALIEN TASKED +PROJECTS/LUNA SECURITY. (MEN IN BLACK) THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING. + + +GABRIEL + +THIS PROJECT WAS TASKED WITH DEVELOPING A LOW FREQUENCY PULSED SOUND +GENERATOR. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE ALIEN WEAPONS AND CRAFT WOULD +BE VULNERABLE TO THIS WEAPON. IT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER THIS PROJECT +EXISTS TODAY. IT WAS DERIVED FROM TECHNOLOGY CAPTURED FROM GERMANY +DURING AND AFTER WWII. My contacts have verified its previous existance +but cannot verify whether it is ongoing or has been terminated. + + +EXCALIBUR + +ESTABLISHED TO DEVELOP A WEAPON WHICH WOULD DESTROY THE ALIEN UNDERGROUND +BASE AND ANY FUTURE UNDERGROUND BASES WHICH THE ALIENS MIGHT CONSTRUCT. +IT IS TO BE A MISSILE CAPABLE OF PENETRATING 1000 METERS OF TUFA/HARD +PACKED SOIL SUCH AS THAT FOUND IN NEW MEXICO WITH NO OPERATIONAL DAMAGE. +MISSILE APPOGEE NOT TO EXCEED 30,000 FEET AGL IMPACT MUST NOT DEVIATE +IN EXCESS OF 50 METERS FROM DESIGNATED TARGET. DEVICE WILL CARRY +A 1 MEGATON NUCLEAR WARHEAD. THIS PROJECT IS ONGOING AT WX DIVISION, +LANL, LOS ALAMOS, NEW MEXICO, AND IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. +end of part 4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY +OF OUR STEALTH BOMBER CAME OUT OF THIS. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION +REGARDING THE ALIEN CRAFT THAT I SAW HAD A LOT TO DO WITH EINSTIENS +THEORY OF RELATIVITY. THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION REGARDING SPACE/TIME +"FOLDS". MY EDUCATION WAS NOT EVEN IN THIS BALLPARK SO I REALLY CAN'T +TELL YOU MUCH BUT I LEARNED THAT THEIR CRAFT ARE NOT ALL THAT STABLE +IN AIR (THATS WHY SO MANY CRASH) BUT ARE STILL ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT +WE HAVE ONLY DREAMED OF. THEY CAN TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE ACROSS/THROUGH +A "FOLD" IN A VERY SHORT TIME. + + +ALF + +ALF IS THE ABREVIATION FOR "ALIEN LIFE FORM". THIS IS THE ONLY TERM +THAT I HAVE SEEN USED TO DESCRIBE THE ALIENS. THE ALIEN LIFE FORMS +ARE "MALEVOLENT" (DANGEROUS). THEY REQUIRE BLOOD AND OTHER BIOLOGICAL +FLUIDS TO SURVIVE. YES THEY DO LIKE ICE CREAM (NO JOKE) BUT THEY +CANNOT LIVE ON IT. THEY ABDUCT HUMANS AND ANIMALS TO PROCURE THESE +FLUIDS. THE ALIEN LIFE FORMS ABDUCT HUMANS AND IMPLANT A VERY SMALL +DEVICE/DEVICES IN OR NEAR THE HUMAN BRAIN WHICH GIVES THEM TOTAL CONTROL +OVER THAT HUMAN. THE IMPLANTS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO DETECT BUT CAN +BE DETECTED. THE DOCUMENTS STATED THAT ALL ATTEMPTS TO REMOVE THE +IMPLANTS HAVE RESULTED IN THE DEATH OF THE PATIENT (1972). THEY PERFORM +SURGICAL OPERATIONS ON HUMANS. THEY COLLECT SPERM/OVA AND OTHER +BIOLOGICAL SAMPLES FROM HUMANS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS HAS YET TO BE +DETERMINED. THESE ABDUCTIONS ARE ONGOING. A LIST OF ABDUCTEES IS +PROVIDED BY THE ALIENS TO MAJI ON A PERIODIC BASIS. THE ALIEN ALSO +CLAIM TO HAVE PLAYED A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART IN THE WORLDS RELIGIOUS +HISTORY AND HAVE PROVIDED MAJI WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. (See +description at the end of this document.) + + +UFO/IAC + +UFO IS UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT AND CAN BE ANYTHING UNIDENTIFIED +BUT USUALLY REFERS TO SUSPECTED ALIEN CRAFT. IAC IS IDENTIFIED ALIEN +CRAFT. + + +BLUE BOOK + +THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE UFO/ALIEN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION AND DISINFORMATION +PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WAS TERMINATED AND ITS COLLECTED INFORMATION +AND DUTIES WERE ABSORBED BY PROJECT AQUARIUS. CLASSIFIED REPORT NAMED +"GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13" IS THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION +DERIVED FROM THE PROJECT AND IS UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. (FROM WHAT +I READ FROM BILL ENGLISH IT SEEMS THAT HE REALLY SAW THIS REPORT AS +HE DESCRIBES THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I SAW IN "GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK +REPORT NO. 13.) + + +I have information now (its about time) that the existance of Project +GABRIEL has been confirmed. The weapon was developed and assembled +at Ling Tempco Vought in Anahiem California. It was described to me +as being able to totally level ANY man made structure from a distance +of 2 miles. It was tested at White Sands Proving grounds. It was +developed between 1975 and 1978. It is a long horn shaped device +connected to a computer and amplifiers. + +I have also confirmed the existance of an alien craft at a hanger +at Edwards AFB. The hanger is at North Base. It has been guarded +by NON Edwards personnel (NRO - DELTA). The guards had a badge that +was red with a black triangle on the face of the badge. No one was +allowed near the hanger without the badge. These people are no longer +guarding the hanger. The Edwards security force are instructed to +check the hanger each hour and report status. The hanger is locked +and no one is allowed inside. Edwards security personnel have been +instructed never to enter the hanger even if it has been broken into. + +I have also confirmed the esistance of alien material at a hanger +designated HANGER 1051 at Edwards AFB. + + + + ---------------/\--------------- + / \ + / \ + ------------/------\------------ + / \ + / \ + ---------/------------\--------- + + +This is the insignia that is on the alien craft. It is called a +TRILATERAL insignia. I do not know what it means. It is in GRUDGE/BLUE +BOOK REPORT NO. 13 and my sources confirm that this is the alien flag +so to speak. + + +MALEVOLENT ALIEN LIFE FORM (ALF) DESCRIPTION + + +The typical MALEVOLENT (ALF) as represented thus far can be described +as follows: + + 1. Between 3 to 5 ft. in height. + + 2. Erect standing biped. Long thin legs. + + 3. Small build (thin). + + 4. Head larger than normal (to human proportions). + + 5. Absence of auditory lobes (external earlobes). + + 6. Absence of body hair. + + 7. Large, tear shaped eyes, opacque black with + veretical slit pupils (cats eye). + + 8. Eyes slanted approx 35 degrees + + 9. Small straight mouth, thin lips. + + 10. Arms resemble praying mantis (normal attitude). + Arms reach to knees (extended). + + 11. Long hands (small palm) + + 12. Claw like fingers, two short, two long. + (webbed) + + 13. Tough, gray skin, reptile like in texture. + + 14. Small feet, 4 small claw like toes. + + 15. Some Organs are similar to humans but developed + in a different evolutionary process. + + 16. The most significant finding is that they have + a Nonfunctioning digestive system and two + separate brains. Digestive system in those + examined were atrophied. Conforms to absence + of provisions in recovered craft. (Prelininary + finding) + + 17. Movement is deliberate, slow, precise. + + 18. (Secondary finding after study) + Alien subsistance requires that they must have + human blood and other human biological + substances to survive. In extreme + circumstances they can subsist on other animal + fluids. Food is converted to energy by + chlorophyl through photosynthesis and waste + products are excreted through skin. (Did they + evolve from plant life? Not known at this + time.) These creatures possess two separate + brains separated by mid cranial lateral bone + partition (anterior brain - posterior brain) + with no apparent connection between the two. +end of part 5 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1043.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1043.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..42621569 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1043.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve..Introduction FILE: UFO1043 + +PART 6 + +GUEST + +ALIEN LIFE FORM HELD PRISONER IN AN AREA KNOWN AS THE ICE CAVE AT +LOS ALAMOS, NEW MEXICO. THERE WERE ORIGINALLY 16 CAPTIVE ALIENS HELD +AT THIS LOCATION. 15 HAVE DIED. THE ALIEN "GUESTS" FURNISHED EXTENSIVE +INFORMATION ON THE ALIENS AND THEIR HISTORY WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE +"YELLOW BOOK". THESE "GUESTS" WERE INDEED FED ICE CREAM AND LIKED +STRAWBERRY ABOVE ALL OTHER FLAVORS. THESE ALIENS WERE HELD IN EXCHANGE +FOR 16 HUMANS WHO BECAME "GUESTS" OF THE ALIENS NO INFORMATION REGARDING +THE HUMAN "GUESTS" IS AVAILABLE FROM ANY SOURCE. THE "GUESTS" ENJOY +MUSIC OF A FAR EASTERN NATURE AND ESPECIALLY ENJOY MUSIC WHICH ORIGINATES +FROM TIBET. THEY POSSESS AN EXTREMELY HIGH IQ WHICH IS IN THE 200 +RANGE. THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO LIE. + + +RELIGION + +THE ALIENS CLAIM THAT MAN IS A HYBRID CREATED BY THEM. THEY CLAIM +THAT ALL RELIGION WAS CREATED BY THEM TO HASTEN THE FORMATION OF A +CIVILIZED CULTURE AND TO CONTROL THE HUMAN RACE. THEY CLAIM THAT JESUS +WAS A PRODUCT OF THEIR EFFORTS. THE ALIENS HAVE FURNISHED PROOF OF +THESE CLAIMS AND HAVE A DEVICE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO SHOW AUDIBLY AND +VISUALLY ANY PART OF HISTORY THAT THEY OR WE WISH TO SEE. THEY CLAIM +THAT O- BLOOD IS THE PROOF OF HYBRIDIZATION AND OUR OWN SCIENCE TENDS +TO BEAR OUT THEIR CLAIM. + + +The confusion over the location of the alien base has prompted me +to write this file. + +My sources are terrified of revealing the location. I do not know +why they are so afraid of revealing this information. I do not want +anyone to go near the place because they may be subject to injury. + +I know that the main base is in New Mexico. There are may be two +small alien detachments. One at DREAMLAND and one at AREA 51. Both +of these locations are used to test fly alien craft. The main location +for test flights is at AREA 51. The aliens are helping us with the +flights and with the craft technology and there is at least a small +detachment at those locations + +Excalibur is being developed to penetrate ground such as that found +in New Mexico. Paul Bennewicz swore that the base is in New Mexico. +John Lear's sources state that the base is in New Mexico. My sources +originally told me that the base was in New Mexico. The information +that I read with my own eyes stated that the base is in New Mexico. +My sources panicked when I told them that I was posting the information +on a public forum. Because I do not wish anyone to be injured while +trying to "get a look" I will not reveal the exact location except +that it is located in the state of New Mexico. + +On this subject I believe that MAJIC2.TXT and MAJIC3.TXT are both +correct and I add AREA 51 + +The information concerning The FAR SIDE OF THE MOON is bad in MAJIC2.TXT +but is correct in MAJIC3.TXT. I hope that this file clears up the +issue. + +Bill Cooper + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1044.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1044.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a94ed13c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1044.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1044 + +PART 1 + +The is only one of many files which I intend to upload that +substantiate the information contained in my MAJIC.TXT. + Bill Cooper + +A series of PROJECT GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK reports have been +released over the years in connection with the USAF's +investigation into UFO's which was supposedly terminated with +the release of the Condon report in the late 1960's. Reports +1 through twelve of GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK were generally innocuous +and contained no classified or truly sensitive material. +There was a final report, #14 which was widely circulated and +about which an entire book was written: FLYING SAUCERS: AN +ANALYSIS OF THE AIR FORCE PROJECT BLUE BOOK SPECIAL REPORT +NO. 14 by Leon Davidson: the fifth edition was published in +1976 by Blue-Book Publishers; 64 Prospect St., White Plains, +New York 10606. Missing from public view, however, was +report #13. + +Several years ago, Bill English, son of an Arizona state +legislator and former captain in the Green Berets had been +asigned to an RAF 'listening post' north of London as an +information analyst. English was, in the course of his +duties, asked to prepare an analysis of the elusive GRUDGE 13 +report. On his discharge from his work at the 'listening +post' he returned to the United States and began to do a +little UFO research on his own. English had been no stranger +to the UFO phenominon. In Viet Nam he was a member of a +Special Forces investigative team that went in to retrieve a +B-52 that was forced down by a UFO and all the occupants +killed. Communications had been received from the B-52 +before it went down to the effect that it was "...under +attack by a UFO..", A "...large light...". The plane was +found intact, sitting in the jungle. There was no swath +indicative of a crash landing. Only the bottom of the +fuselage showed any damage, there was no damage to the +underside of the engine pods. Although the plane was +completely intact the entire crew had been mutilated. + +English, through contacts he still maintains has determined +that the US Government 'most definately' supports a 'project +dealing specifically with UFO's and captured aliens'. +According to what he has learned, the US government captured +a trio of aliens, and that as of mid 1981, one of the beings +was still alive in captivity. English also claims that "at +one point in the early 1950's until the mid 1960's the Air +Force maintained relocation and debriefing colonies for +people who had experienced close encounters of the 3rd and +4th kind. They were isolated for all intents and purposes +for the rest of their lives. He doubts that these colonies +are still in existence. + +English dictated 2 audio casettes outlining what he +remembered from the Grudge 13 report. These audio casettes +were transcribed into hand written notes by another person. +The information contained therein indicated what had been +suspected all along: that the US government was involved in +the greatest deception in the history of mankind and that not +only did flying saucers exist but that the government had +several in secret storage and had captured at least 3 live +aliens. + +The following is a summary of what Bill English remembers +from what he read during that day in June, 1977 of PROJECT +GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO 13. + +************************************************************* + +In Box, diplomatic pouch under lock and key system. Lock had +been opened, pouch was easily accessed. Standard diplomatic +couriers pouch marked American Embassy Couriers, contained +pouch serial number JL327Delta (JL327D?). Inside a +publication with red tape which indicated code red security +precautions and an Air Force disposition form. Disposition +form was standard white page copy, title was 'Analysis +Report'. Further down was "Analyse enclosed report under +code red measures. give abstract breakdown and report on +validity. Observe all code red measures. Analysis required +immediately'. Underneath were a series of dashes then the +letters NDF then another series of dashes. Below that, lower +left hand corner were the initials WGB. + +Publication was withdrawn from pouch. It measured +approximately 8" by 11" with gray cover. Heavily bound, +paper back style similar to technical manuals. Across the +center front it read, "Grudge/Blue Book Report No. 13". It +was dated 1953-(1963). In the lower right hand corner was +AFSN 2246-3. In upper left hand corner was the word +'annotated'. Across the front upper right hand corner to +lower left hand corner was red tape indicating code red +security measures. Across the front was stamped in red ink +'Top Secret Need To Know Only Crypto Clearance 14 Required' +Inside front cover upper left hand corner were hand written +notations in ink which were blacked out by black felt pen. + +Inside cover sheet was basically the same information as the +cover. Second page was title page. Next page after that was +an appendix with numerous notations made in it. Notations +dealt with inserts of what appeared to be photos and +additional notes. At bottom of third page it read G/BV Page +1 of 624 pages. Title page was subject letter. Complete +list of appendix not remembered. Title. Some notes on the +practical applications of the Worst Nemo equations. + +end of part 1 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1045.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1045.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7aa46aa9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1045.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1045 + +PART 2 + +Table of Contents, Part 1. "On the design of generators to +accomplish strain free molecular translation". Part 2, "The +generation of space time discontinuums, closed, open and +folded". Part 3, "On the generation of temporary psuedo +acceleration locas". Part 1, Chapter 1, "design criteria for +a simple generator and control system referring to equation +17 appendix A". Part 2 Chapter 1, "Continuation of Einsteins +Theory of Relativity to final conclusion". Part 3, Chapter +1, "Possible applications of Einsteinian theory of relativity +at conclusion". + +Part 1, chapter 2, reports of UFO encounters, classification +"Close Encounters of the 1st kind", subtitle sightings and +witnesses. Part 2, Chapter 2, "Close Encounters of the 2nd +kind", subtitle UFO sightings witnessed within close +proximity. Part 3, Chapter 2 "Close Encounters of the 3rd +kind", subtitle UFO encounters and extraterrestrial life +forms witnessed and personal encounters. Subtitle, "Colonies +relocation thereof". Case histories. Chapter 3 Part 1, +titled "Military kEncounters with UFO's". Part 2 Chapter 3, +"Military Reports Concerning sightings on Radar and +Electronic Surveillance of UFO's". Subsection 2, Analysis +Report, J. Allen Hynek, LtCol. Friend. Appendix continued on +for about 5 pages. Opening subject page consisted of a +report of the findings as written by LtCol. Friend and his +analysis. + +Must stress at this point that the version seen was +annotated. There were inserts that were added to this copy +after it had been initially printed. Sections remembered +very vividly are the photographs and the reports concerning +captive sights of various UFO's to include Mexico, Sweden, +United States and Canada. There were also what was then +classified Close Encounters of the 3rd kind. It was made +very clear that these people whom it was determined had +genuine CE 3's were move in the middle of the night by Air +Force personnel and relocated to various sites in the midwest +and northwest parts of the United States. In many cases +these people experienced physical ailments from exposure to +various types of radiation. + +One case especially noted and remembered very vividly was +entitled 'Darlington Farm Case' out of Ohio. Case apparently +took place in October 1953. Man, wife and 13 year old son +were sitting down at dinner table. As they sat there the +lights in the farm house began to dim. Dogs and animals +raised rucus on outside. 13 year old boy got up from dinner +table to see what was going on. Called his mother and father +to come look at the funny lights in the sky. Father and +mother got up and as they got up the son went outside into +the yard. Father and mother went out onto the porch. When +they got out on the porch one of the dogs broke loose from +leash beside house and came running around front. Boy began +chasing it out into the open field. As mother and father +watched the light came down from the sky. They described it +as a round ball of fire and it began to hover over field +where boy and dog had run to. As they stood and watched, the +mother and father heard the boy start screaming for help +whereupon the father grabbed his shotgun which was right next +to the door and began to run out into the field with the +mother following. When the father got to the field he saw +his son being carried away by what looked like little men, +into this huge fiery looking object. As it took off the +father fired several rounds at the object, to no avail. They +found dog, its head was crushed but no sign of boy or any +other footprints of the little men who apparently carried him +off. Father immediately called Darlington police and they +immediately came out to envestigate. The official report +read that the boy had run off and was lost in the forest +which bordered the farm. Within 48 hours the Air Force made +the determination that the family was to be relocated and the +mother and father were picked up by Air Force Intelligence +and all personal belongings and possessions were loaded into +U.S. Air Force trucks and moved to a notrhwestern relocation +site. + +The mother was in shock and had to go through a great deal of +psychotherapy and deprogramming as did father. One +interesting aspect about this case was classification under +the Air Force report which read it was a genuine CE 3 and +that for the good of the national security the mother and +father had been relocated to relocation zone Z21-14. Not +sure whether this indicated map grid coordinates or latitude +longitude. According to the report there were at least 4 +relocation sites across the United States. Depending upon +which type of encounter these people had, the report +indicated that there were extensive medical facilities +available at these relocation sites to deal with all medical +emergencies up to and including radiation poisoning. The +report mentioned a site located in the Utah-Nevada area, but +no indication of its purpose or what it was for. + +end of part 2 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1046.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1046.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..548e552d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1046.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1046 + +PART 3 + +Report gave a clear indication of reports of human +mutilations, most notably was a case witnessed by Air Force +personnel in wich an Air Force Sgt. E-6 by the name of +Jonathon P. Lovette was observed being taken captive aboard +what appeared to be a UFO at the White Sands Missle Test +Range in New Mexico. This abduction took place in March of +1956 at about 0300 local and was witnessed by Major William +Cunningham of the United States Air Force Missile Test +Command near Holloman Air Force Base. + +Major Cunningham and Sgt. Lovette were out in a field +downrange from the launch sites looking for debris from a +missile test when Sgt. Lovette went over the ridge of a small +sand dune and was out of sight for a time. Major Cunningham +heard Sgt. Lovette scream in what was described as terror or +agony. The Major, thinking the Sgt. had been bitten by a +snake or something ran over the crest of the dune and saw +Sgt. Lovette being dragged into what appeared to him and was +described as being a silvery disk like object which hovered +in the air approximately 15 to 20 feet. Major Cunningham +described what appeared to be a long snake-like object which +was wrapped around the sargeants legs and was dragging him to +the craft. Major Cunningham admittedly froze as the sargeant +was dragged inside the disc and observed the disc going up +into the sky very quickly. Major Cunningham got on the jeep +radio and reported the incident to Missile Control whereupon +Missile Control confirmed a radar sighting. Search parties +went out into the field looking for Sgt. Lovette. Major +Cunninghams report was taken and he was admitted to the White +Sands Base Dispensary for observation. + +The search for Sgt. Lovette was continued for 3 days at the +end of which his nude body was found approximately 10 miles +downrange. The body had been mutilated; the tongue had been +removed from lower portion of the jaw. An incision had been +made just under the tip of the chin and extended all the way +back to the esophagus and larynx. He had been emasculated +and his eyes had been removed. Also, his anus had been +removed and there were comments in the report on the apparent +surgical skill of the removal of these items including the +genitalia. The report commented that the anus and genitalia +had been removed 'as though a plug' which in the case of the +anus extended all the way up to the colon. There was no sign +of blood within the system. The initial autopsy report +confirmed that the system had been completly drained of blood +and that there was no vascular collapse due to death by +bleeding. Subcomment was added that this was unusual because +anybody who dies or has complete loss of blood there is +vascular collapse. Also noted was that when the body was +found there were a number of dead predatory type birds within +the area who apparently had died after trying to partake of +the sargeants body. There were a number of extremely grisly +black and white photos. From all indications the body had +been exposed to the elements for at least a day or two. The +New Mexico sun in the desert is extremely hot and +dibilitating under normal circumstances. + +In this section of the report it also indicated that there +were numerous occasions in which a UFO tracked alongside of a +fired missile and on one occasion said missile was observed +being taken aboard a UFO while in flight. The speeds +indicated were absolutely phenomenal. (English's father had +told him privately that on more than one occasion he had +personally tracked what they termed as 'foo fighters'. +English's father was an electronic engineer by profession and +was fairly well versed on electronics engineering and design +and on more than one occasion he was involved in telemetry +programming of missiles. English's father is currently a +state legislator in Arizona.) + +The report also indicated that there were a number of +recovery teams that were activated specifically for the +purpose of recovering any and all evidence of UFO's and UFO +sightings. Most notably recorded in publication was what +they called Recovery Team Alpha. It was reported that Alpha +had been extremely active in a number of areas and on certain +occasions had travelled outside of the continental United +States. Alpha was based out of Wright Patterson Air Force +Base and was on the move constantly. + +Further information in the report consisted of such things as +reported sightings and where air force planes had been +destroyed or had combat encounters or had been attacked by +UFO's. Also there were autopsy reports of various human +mutilations. + +end of part 3 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1047.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1047.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..78987ad5 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1047.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1047 + +PART 4 + +About midway through the report came a section which dealt +specifically with photographs. Each photo was labeled and +appendixed to certain reports. A number of photos in there +dealt with a recovery program of some type that took place in +the southwestern part of the United States. They did not +give a location name but they did give grid coordinates for +that area. There is no clear indication to exactly where it +was. The photos dealt with special teams that were called in +to recover a crashed UFO. It also dealt with alien bodies +and autopsy reports, autopsy type photographs, high quality, +color, 8 x 10, 5 x 7. + +Photo number 1 showed an alien being on an autopsy table +which is a metal with runners and traps underneath to trap +fluid and feces. Body appeared to be an little short of 4 +feet. Table was about 7 foot. No clothing on body, no +genitalia, body completely heterous, head was rounded +cranium, slightly enlarged, eyes almond shaped, slits where +nose would be, extremely small mouth, receeding chin line, +holes where ears would be. Photo was taken at angle, side +view, looking at body from 45 degrees elevation, left hand +was visible, head was facing to left, body was right to left +position (head on right, feet on left), eyes were closed +appeared oriental-looking and almond shaped, left hand slight +longer than normal, wrist coming down just about 2 to 3 +inches above the knees. Wrists appeared to be articulated in +a fashion that allowed a double joint with 3 digit fingers. +Wrist was very slender. There was no thumb. A palm was +almost non-existent. The three fingers were direct extension +from the wrist. + +Color of the skin was bluish grey, dark bluish grey. At base +of the body there was a darker color, indicating body was +dead for some time. Body fluid or blood had settled to base +of body. This indicated that body had been examined before +beginning autopsy. + +Picture showed beginning stages of autopsy, following +standard procedure, body was slit from crotch to just under +chin and green viscuous liquid was in evidence. There were +internal organs but these could not be identified. Photos +thereafter concerned specific areas of internal organs of +what appeared as small cluster of a multi-valve heart or at +least 2 hearts within the cadaver. No accurate description +of autopsy report or what was found within corpse +accompanying photos. Indication that there was no stomach or +digestive track per se. Later analysis showed that fluid +within body was chlorophyl-based liquid which apparently +dealt with photosynthesis or similar process. The report +theorized that nourishment was taken in through mouth, +however since there is no digestive track or anything of this +nature, the waste products were excreted through skin. + +One section of report did specify that cadavers were +extremely odorous, but this could be accounted for by either +deterioration or a number of things, but theory was that +waste was excreted through pores of skin. They could only +theorize in report because there was no xenobiology. + +A report by Dr. J. Allen Hynek was recalled vividly which +indicated that he had also studied the information provided +by this particular case and that he felt that it was indeed a +genuine UFO capture and subsequently the alien was part of +UFO. Dr. Hynek was non-committal but did however sign the +report. Also indicated in report that he did not view bodies +personally, but viewed photographs and accompanying reports +from autopsies. + +Other photos dealt with a number of bodies which were +vivisectioned in various ways. At one point, a head was +removed from body and photographed and autopsy was performed +on head. The cranium was opened and brain matter was +photographed and evident. Interesting thing about photo was +that there was a ridgebone or dividing partition-type bone +running directly through center of skull, from front to back, +as though dividing two brains, one from the other. This +seemed apparent from the picture. The skin was completely +removed from cranial structure and the skull was layed bare +as much as possible. + +At one point the skull was cut directly in half and photo +showed under developed esophagus and nasal cavaties. No +clear photo of eye orbs as we know them, just photos of +complete vivisection of skull itself. + +Numerous photos of flesh of the being starting with cutaneous +and subcutaneous microphotographic plates. Appeared to be +cellular studies done under microscope and electron +microscope type photos. Extreme magnification of tissue +samples. + +************************************************************* + +This concluded Bill English statement which was transcribed +from 2 casette tapes. I obtained this handwritten memorandum +in August of 1987 from Paul Bennewitz during my visit with +him in Albuquerque. In September of 1988 I received a call +from Bill English. I asked for a chance to meet him and +discuss the Grudge 13 report. He said that this could be +arranged but that the meeting would have to be on his terms +for security reasons. He explained that there had been +several attempts on his life by persons unknown since he had +made the casette tapes about 6 years ago. We arranged a +meeting at a small airport in Virginia on September 16. I +was to sit in the lobby with by black flight bag and for +identification purposes I told Bill what I would be wearing. +I had no telephone number for Bill. + +end of part 4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1048.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1048.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0a934682 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1048.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1048 + +PART 5 + +As I walked in the small airport lobby after a 3 hour drive +from Richmond I immediately noticed 2 gentlemen who seemed +'out of place' for this locale. Both were wearing pin +striped 3 piece suits, both had on dark glasses. One was a +black gentleman. One was stationed inside the lobby door +looking out at the parking lot, one was leaning up against an +airline counter. I sat down and after a few minutes was +approached by a tall, bearded man in jeans and a heavy +jacket. He asked if I wanted to have a drink. We walked +outside and he introduced himself as Bill English. We drove +in Bills car into town to a local bar. About 5 minutes after +we ordered and had started to talk, the men I had seen at the +airport came into the bar and sat down. We left for Bill's +house and never saw the men again for the next 2 days. + +During the next 2 days I stayed with Bill and his wife and 2 +children in a small trailer in the middle of a field at his +farm. I asked him endless questions concerning the Grudge 13 +document, how he happened to see it, what happened to him +after he saw it and literally thousands of questions about +the content of the document. My impression of Bill English +was that he was totally honest, that he stood behind his +statements and recollection of the Grudge 13 papers, that he +was a devoted husband and father to his wifes 2 children. +That Bill English was ready to come forward and enter into +any debate regarding the legitimacy of the document and his +recollections thereof. Of Bills compassion for his father +and his fathers feelings concerning Bill and the reasons for +their occasional disagreements. I have tremendous respect +for Bill and what he has tried to do in getting this +information out to the public. It has been at tremendous +personal risk not to mention the ridicule by sponsered agents +such as Bill Moore who has stated that the Grudge 13 papers +are a fraud. (How would Bill Moore know?) + +What follows is additional information about the Grudge 13 +papers that I obtained from Bill during my visit. In +addition to the following Bill painstakingly drew many +sketches of the photos of different types of flying saucers, +the equipment obtained from them including a sketch of the +football sized nuclear generator and sketches of the autopsy +photos. + +From my notes taken during our 2 day meeting: Bill described +a photo taken of 3 live aliens. Very clear photo, aliens +standing against white tile wall, looking confused as if they +had been shoved, were looking in different directions. +Report said that aliens had contacted a U.S. Intelligence +Agency for initial 2 meetings, one at Holloman one at +Homestead. + +U.S. Air Force relocation personnel (for persons involved in +close encounters) were referred to in report as 'men in +black'. + +Major Cunningham was initially accused of murdering Sgt. +Jonathon P. Lovette. Charges were later dropped. + +Bill English's place of employment in England was RAF +Security Services Command, RAF Chicksands. + +Entire Grudge 13 report was written as if report was geared +toward preparation of defenses. + +Report told of ultrasonic weapons found in Germany at the end +of WW II that could shatter 4" thick armour. + +Report told of sensitive military and industrial areas at +which personnel experienced missing time. + +Report told about missing time experienced with personnel +associated with North American x-15 rocket plane project. + +Report stated that there were 17 different extraterrestrial +species accounted for up to the time of the report. + +Extraterrestrials were referred to as A.L.F.'s, Alien Life +Forms in the report. + +Report referred to one UFO that was recovered and test flown. +The UFO blew up as the 2 Air Force pilots aboard attempted to +leave the atmosphere. English recalls the date as the mid +50's. + +Report refers to flying saucer program as Project 'Red Light' +and that a secret installation had been constructed in the +middle of the Atomic Energy Commission testing ground in +Nevada. + +At the time of the report 11 alien cadavers were being kept +at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. + +That additional alien cadavers were being stored at 4 to 5 +other medical institutions. + +That 2 flying saucers of extraterrestrial origin had been +tested in the wind tunnel at Langley, Va. + +That at the time of the report, 1 damaged disc was at Elgin +Air Force Base in Florida. + +That at the time of the report there had been 2 UFO incidents +at Ft. Riley, Kansas. + +That at the time of the report a detachment of the Alpha +recovery team was based at Randolph Air force Base. + +The report discussed civilian and military personnel who had +been terminated 'to eliminate potentially dangerous elements +to the national security'. + +That General James Doolittle had been mentioned several times +in the report with the notation that "His (Doolittle's) +predictions might be correct". There was no indication of +what those predictions might have been. + +A short segment containing the quotation, "By presidential +order, certain aspects of research had been undertaken." + +This report about Bill English and the Grudge 13 papers was +prepared by John Lear, 1414 Hollywood Blvd., Las Vegas, +Nevada 89110, telephone number (702) 438-8181, on October 7, +1988. + +end of part 5 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1049.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1049.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ed81d01d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1049.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1049 + +PART 6 + +This report was typed onto disc verbatim from the original +document which was sent by John Lear via Federal Express and +arrived on October 8, 1988 by Bill Cooper. I Bill Cooper do +swear that no changes were made and do swear that this is an +exact verbatim copy of the original. + +************************************************************* + + STATEMENT + + + + +I, William S. English, do hereby state and affirm that I +have met with Mr. John Olson Lear, on September 16-17, of +1988, and that we discussed my original report on my viewing +of the Grudge/Bluebook Report 13, in June of 1977. + +I Further state that whatever opinions Mr. Lear form or +express on this matter are entirely his own, and that I stood +behind my statements made originally when I came forward with +this matter, and that I continue to stand behind my +statements to this date. + +I further state that anyone saying that they have an +admission from me personally that this was a hoax is a liar +and that if I was in fact perpetrating a hoax I could have +found a better way of doing it. Instead I have chosen to +allow time to either prove or disprove my claims on the +information on this matter. Time it seems has proven the +validity of my statements. +I welcome the chance to defend my position in either public +or private debate and will continue to stand behind by +original report. + + + + +Signed: + +William S. English (signature) + +William S. English +September 17, 1988 +Gladys, Virginia + + + +I Bill Cooper do swear that I typed this verbatim on to disc +on October 8, 1988 and do swear that no changes have been +made and do swear that this is a verbatim copy of the +original. + +************************************************************* +end of part 6 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1050.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1050.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e2a77b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1050.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1050 + +PART 7 + +NOTE!...This document was given to ---------- on 10/04/88 by +4 persons who for obvious reasons must remain anonymous at +this time. This document becomes extremely important when +viewed along with other documents and information. It +becomes even more important when compared with PROJECT +EXCALIBUR which comes under MAJESTIC TWELVE/AQUARIUS. +PROJECT EXCALIBUR's mission is to develop a weapon which will +penetrate the earth to 1/2 mile and then detonate a nuclear +weapon in order to destroy the alien underground base in New +Mexico. + +************************************************************* + +Notes from WX Division: September 9, 1988 + + + + +1. There is an unprecedented push to develop a missile that +is capable of penetrating 1,000 meters of earth prior to +detonating. + +2. The device under development carries a 1 megaton warhead. + +3. Some requirements & comments given to WX division were as +follows: + + A. "The device must be capable of penetrating 1,000 + meters of tufa/hard pack soil and sustain no + operational damage. This type of soil is + commonly found in New Mexico, where we will be + conducting the penetration tests." + + B. "Missile apogee must not exceed 30,000 feet + AGL." + + C. "Impact deviation will not exceed 50 meters." + + D. "We believe the Russians have constructed under + ground bases in the Soviet Union 500 to 1,000 + meters deep. Since their soil is the same that + is found in New Mexico, accurate tests can be + performed here (New Mexico). Fallout shelters + that deep are far too expensive for the United + States to construct." + +4. The YY-II facility is located in Los Alamos at the rear +of the "ice cave". The "ice cave" or "ice" as it is +sometimes called, is a high security installation cut into +the side of the mesa Los Alamos sits on. The entrance is via +the road under the diamond street bridge. Macdonald's +restaurant is directly over the facility. Entrance into the +cave can be seen by leaning over the cliff behind Macdonalds. +YY-II is double faraday shielded, the reason given was "to +attenuate computer emissions". It would seem strange to do +this however, since the cave is surrounded by a 200 foot +thick wall of rock. + +5. An additional note: contrary to information given to WX +division, the topsoil & underlying earth in the Soviet Union +is not similar in density nor composition to that of New +Mexico soil. + + +(NOTE! WX = experimental weapons) + +end of part 7 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1051.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1051.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3335aa27 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1051.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,158 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1051 + + +PART 8 + ROBERT'S STORY + + + +Robert _____ ______, a young man in his early 20's came to +work at my shop as a temporary help during the 2nd week of +October 1986. The first day at work, he approached me asking +about my interest in the UFO phenomenon. Then he smiled, +paused, and waited for my reaction. I told him that I was +interested, particularly in the crash/recovery of saucers and +bodies of occupants. That I was secondly interested in the +rumors pertaining to an "alien" and intelligence group +alliance set up years ago. + +He then told me he would reveal something to me pertaining to +my second interest as mentioned above. He told me the +following (condensed by me): + +1. He was in the military headquartered with the 4th +Engineering Group at Fort Carson, Colorado. Just got out 2 +months prior to the date of telling me this. + +2. He showed me a military I.D. card from Fort Carson and + another with a strange checker board design on it. + +3. He said he had a Super Top Secret clearance and worked +as a laboratory assistant in southwestern Colorado associated +with the Delta Group out of Fort Carson. + +4. He witnessed cryogenic experimentation going on with +human beings. This experimentation was conducted by both +"aliens" and some Super Secret intelligence group. + +5. "Some high ranking military and scientific personnel were +taken down to cryogenic temperatures through a process of +draining their blood and pumping a chemical mixture into the +circulatory system to prevent cell destruction during the +freezing and thawing periods." "The "aliens" were the only +ones who knew the mixture formula and the gradual thawing +process. They at first refused to give the formula and +process to the scientific team, and threatened to leave the +above mentioned personnel in that cryogenic state forever +unless the scientists cooperated on some certain issues." + +6. He also told me about some "alien" technics concerning +time travel, Dimensional travel, related to unified field +physics. + +After revealing these seemingly fantastic things to me over a +3 week period of time he quit the temporary fob here. I +finally found out that his father Robert _________ Sr. +(Robert used to be Robert _________ Jr. before his father and +mother divorced and he took the name of his mothers second +husband, ______.) worked with me in the metal finishing +department. The following was told to me by Robert _________ +Sr. on Dec 16, 1986: + +"On the evening of Wednesday, Dec. 3, 1986, my son Robert +______ called me via the telephone (he hadn't been home for +over a week) he sounded as if he were scared to death. He +said I have to go back to Colorado immediately. I asked +why. He said, The bounty hunters found me and told me that +I had to go back with them to the base in Colorado because I +know to much. I asked if there were any way he could beat +them and get out of it? Robert stated, They said there is +no way out. In fact the chief bounty hunter confronted me +face to face. + +Evidently Robert Jr. tried to beat the bounty hunters. His +alleged body was found in room #5 of the Walls Motel in Long +Beach, California, with a gun in his hand and a bullet hole +through his head. Drugs were found in the room, but not in +his body. (he was not the drug type). + +The Long Beach Police Dept. investigated the case which ended +very abruptly with no explanation. When I asked them why the +case was closed so quickly, they snapped back, Its none of +your business. The final autopsy report stated that the +death was a drug related suicide. + +I was not allowed to see the body for one solid week. I +would call the police, they would say the body was at the +funeral parlor. The funeral parlor would say we don't have +the body. This went on back and forth for that one solid +week. (Dec. 5th - Dec. 12th, 1986) When I was finally +allowed to view the body, I immediatly could tell it was not +him!! This body, alleged to be Robert ______, was about 20 +Lbs heavier and about 3 to 4 inches shorter than my son. +That was not Robert even tho the basic facial feature's were +his. + +One very significant thing that Robert stated to me before +his alleged death was, Dad, they are comming to take me +away. I will give you a code name ______________ (only +Robert and his father know that code name). If you receive a +letter, telephone call, or by messenger, sometime in the +future, this code name, you will know that I am alive. They +need me for my special DNA, that is why I have to go back. + +Robert has special Occult Powers and has an interest in witch +craft. he says all of this UFO stuff is directly related to +witch craft and the occult. + +In February - April 1987 both Robert _________ Sr. and myself +were under surveillance by what we considered an agent from +the cover-up group. He went by the name of John Chunn. We +finally confronted him face to face concerning all of this. +Needless to say he quit work that day and never came back. +Robert Sr. has been harassed several times by an individual +who wanted Robert Sr. to go to the 4 corners area with him . +On April 16, 1987, he said he would reunite him with his son. +_________ backed out the last minute. + +Later Robert Sr. was picked up by the police for no reason at +all and held for one week. When he got back home he found +out that his place had been ransacked. + +On Nov. 9, 1987, a person riding a motorcycle and dressed +like a biker approached _________ identifying himsself as Lt. +Reed or Reade and claimed that he had a Top Secret clearance +and had access to the files pertaining to the projects that +his son was still involved in. He said that he would place +_________ in touch with Robert ______ and said he was working +in an underground base. He said you cannot find this base on +any maps or in any military directories. + +Robert ______ was in the following unit. + +HHC 4th STU BU +ABN +FBG 31905 +Fort Carson, Colorado + +His Commanding Officer was Capt. Dana _. ______ + +Well ____ there it is for what it is worth. You can get in +touch with Robert Sr. at _________________________________ + + + + +(NOTE! All names addresses and phone numbers are in the +original document and all of this information checks out with +the Long Beach Police Dept. and with Robert Sr. whom I have +talked to. The information was sent to a friend of mine in +exactly this form and he forwarded it to me in exactly the +form that I have typed it to disc. Bill Cooper) + +end of part 8 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1052.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1052.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..47e9ce51 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1052.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1052 + +PART 9 + + WASHINGTON INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY + oceanographic and physical sciences + +Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher +President and Chairman of Board + + November 29, 1983 + + + +Mr.__________________ +_____________________ +_____________________ + +Dear Mr.____________: + +I am sorry I have taken so long in answering your letters. +However, I have moved my office and have had to make a +number of extended trips. + +To answer your last question in your letter of October 14, +1983, there is no particular reason I feel I shouldn't or +couldn't answer any or all of your questions. I am delight- +ed to answer all of them to the best of my ability. + +You listed some of your questions in your letter of +September 12th. I will attemp to answer them as you had +listed them. + +1. Relating to my own experience regarding re- +covered flying saucers, I had no association with any +of the people involved in the recovery and have no knowl- +edge regarding the dates of the recoveries. If I had I +would send it to you. + +2. Regarding verification that persons you list were +involved, I can only say this: + +John Von Neuman was definitely involved. Dr. Vannever Bush +was definitely involved, and I think Dr. Robert Oppenheimer +also. + +My association with the Research and Development Board under +Doctor Compton during the Eisenhower administration was +rather limited so that although I had been invited to +participate in several discussions associated with the re- +ported recoveries, I could not personally attend the +meetings. I am sure that they would have asked Dr. Von +Braun, and the others that you listed were probably asked and +may or may not have attended. This is all I know for sure. + +3. I did receive some official reports when I was in my +office at the Pentagon but all of these were left there as at +the time we were never supposed to take them out of the +office. + +4. I do not recall receiving any photographs such as you +request so I am not in a position to answer. + +5. I have to make the same reply as on No. 4. + +I recall the interview with Dr. Brenner of the Canadian +Embassy. I think the answers I gave him were the ones you +listed. Naturally, I was more familiar with the subject +matter under discussion, at that time. actually, I would +have been able to give more specific answers had I attend- +ed the meetings concerning the subject. You must understand +that I took this assignment as a private contribution. We +were called "dollar-a-year men". My first responsibility was +the maintenance of my own business activity so that my +participation was limited. + +About the only thing I remember at this time is that certain +materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes +were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our +laboratories analyzed them very carefully. + +There were reports that instruments or people operating these +machines were also of very light weight, sufficient to +withstand the tremendous deceleration and acceleration +associated with their machinery. I remember in talking with +some of the people at the office that I got the impression +these "aliens" were constructed like certain insects we have +observed on earth, wherein because of the low mass the +inertial forces involved in operation of these instruments +would be quite low. + +I still do not know why the high order of classification has +been given and why the denial of the existence of these +devices. + +I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I suggest you +get in touch with the others who may be directly involved in +this program. + + Sincerely yours, + + (SIGNATURE) + + Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher + +P. S. It occurs to me that Dr. Bush's name is inccorrect + as you have it. Please check the spelling. + +end of part 9 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1053.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1053.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c6461dc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1053.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1053 + +PART 10 + +JUNE 13, 1987 + +Dear Sirs, + +Although I missed your very recent radio and tv shows, a +friend suggested that I write this letter and share my +information with you. I am fifty year af age engineer that +has worked in the private sector, as well as with the +government. + +From 1975 to 1980, i was involved with several investigations +having to do with E.T. material. Even though the project was +very well covered, I am still very much surprised that +Project Pluto and results have not surfaced yet. + +In as much as the project was handled by others, there was no +question that the government was in full control. For +security purposes, Project Pluto had five levels. Those who +investigated one level had nothing to do with the next, and +would only turn in the results of data of these findings to +the next level, then go on to another area. + +No one that I knew ever had the results of two levels at the +same time. There was only one very rare exception to the +rule which took place in 1975, and was in fact my very first +assignment with the project. I was employed by a non- +government firm that of course was directly involved with the +government, and probably fronted for them on the projects. + +I would assume that eventually government records could be +made available to the general public, but not from the +private sector. I'm not really sure. In any event, several +others and myself were rushed to a rather remote place in +upstate Pennsylvannia. + +We were informed that every thing was top secret, and had to +remain that way. We were even housed in a hotel close by, +and security people were assigned to us. Some type of +aircraft had crashed in this area, and the government felt +that it would be easier and faster to do all of their +investigation right there rather than to move the remains of +the wreck, and whatever evidence the soil may contain. + +The wreck site was rather difficult to get to, however, we +turned it into a construction site, clearing the area, and +building two small and one very large metal pre-fab buildings +over and around the wreck. Heavy equipment, materials, and +workers were flown in and out on a daily basis. + +We were moved from the hotel to some mobile homes that were +brought in for us, and many more top level people who joined +us. I might add that the local people who still lived some +distance from the site, were led to believe that a large +private corporation was preparing to build an electrical +power supply for the area. But it was off limits to everyone +in the area. + +We were some of the first ones on the scene other than lots +of security people. The wreck had already been covered by +very large canvas blankets, and large nets were tented over +head to protect the site from any possible air traffic. I +did manage to get a very good look at the wreck on several +occasions. My first thoughts were that it may have been and +experimental air craft of our government, or perhaps the +government of another. + +It was later suggested to us that it was a new type of air +craft of a foreign government, and it was a super hush hush +project. That air craft was nothing like I have ever seen or +probably ever will again. + +The crash site was also something quite different. The +disturbed soil was about a hundred feet in diameter, although +the craft was much larger in length. I only saw what +appeared to be about two/thirds of the rear end, and even +that was about ten feet below the surface. When it crashed +on about a 30 degree angle, it pushed all the earth back away +from the craft itself. Almost as if the hole were made +first, and then something half the size was put in place. + +My best thought of this rather strange hole is that some kind +of magnetic field had pushed all the earth away from the +craft at impact. It was reasonable to assume that I was +looking down at the rear end of the air craft, yet there was +nothing to indicate that it had any kind of engine as we know +it. Not even one little opening. + +I don't really like to use the term cigar, but since I could +not see the front part, it certainly appeared to have once +been shaped like a large cigar. That's by best description. + +If it was a craft from a foreign government, then we are in +big trouble. I actually held one small portion of the wreck +in my hand. Incidently, there was only a very small reading +of radio waves in the area. The area was quite safe. There +was on the other hand, a great deal of free magnetic energy +in that area. It was very difficult using our instruments. +It was very difficult just to establish the correct time. +Every wrist watch was a different time. + +The piece of physical evidence that I held in my hand, was a +material that I really can't identify. It may have been torn +from the front of the craft when it crashed. A few of us +compared thoughts as to what it might be, but no one was +really certain. None of us had ever seen anything like it +before. It was about one square foot and about an inch +thick. It weighed almost nothing, and one had the feeling +that it may blow away if you let go of it and the wind +increased. + +end of part 10 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1054.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1054.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..65bc840a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1054.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1054 + +PART 11 + +It was the same color and texture of the large portion, so it +was safe to assume that it was part of the shell of the +craft. It weighed nowhere near enough to be any metal that +we had ever seen. It even weighed less than any plastic that +I had seen of a similar size. + +I tried to scratch it with a pocket knife, and even cut away +a small piece of the edge, but the knife did nothing to it. +The surface was clear as glass, and stronger than anything we +had ever seen. It was like trying to scratch the surface of +glass with a feather. Of course, we had to turn it into the +security people. + +After the site was secure, the first groups that included +myself were taken away. There was a very thorough strip +search prior to us being given jumpsuits, and put into a +truck for the transportation to a waiting plane. We were +taken to another area and debriefed before we were allowed to +return to our normal way of life. + +About three months later, a few of us returned to the site to +remove the buildings, fill up the hole, and generally put +the area back into the same shape as it may have been prior +to the crash. We went through the same type of security +search and debriefing as we had done the first time. +Whatever was left of the craft had been removed and sent to - +unknown-. + +Almost one year to the day, I was sent to another crash site. +Everything was a repeat of the first time, except that there +were six of us. Four of us were part of the first crash +site, and the other two were new. This time the air craft +was buried so deep into the lower side of a hill that we +could not get a good look at it. + +The security arrangements were just about the same, and we +constructed similar buildings around it. It was very close +to a rerun of the first crash site. Only this time we were +told, "as a matter of fact it was a top secret experimental +air craft that had crashed". I could however, manage to see +the rear end of the craft. It appeared to be the same type +as the first. The code name of the project was Pluto, as it +was the first also. Incidently, that was in upstate New +York, in 1976. I do not know if there were any "people" or +life forms aboard. + +Several years later, I had an occasion to be in the area of +site #one. The bartender only recognized me because he +brought in our first room service the first night we stayed +there. There was no room service there, but he made his one +and only exception to the rule for us. He asked me lots of +questions which of course had no answers for, nor would I +give any. He told me that he heard that there were lots of +medical people on the site. He thought that rather odd for +an electric power station. He assumed that there must have +been some kind of an accident, or lots of waste material in +the area. We let it go at that. + +It appears that security was very good, and no one had any +idea that an air craft had crashed there. I suspect that the +air craft was fifty feet in diameter and as long as two +hundred feet. I could be wrong in the length. As I recall +the under portion of air craft #one had more of a flat +surface. It was difficult to see, but I do recall the +difference in the portion of the under surface that I could +see. + +There were also a few interesting grooves on the top and side +areas about twenty feet long. We had speculated that either +a steering fin had been attached, or a place where it could +slide through from the inside, similar to the type of +system used to lower wheels on any air craft. First +speculation! + +In 1978, I was again sent to a crash site. We arrived the +day after the security people. This time the air craft +landed in a lake in upstate Pennsylvannia. We went through +the same motions, and built several buildings on the edge of +the lake to house the craft, once it was removed from the +water. Lots of Navy equipment was flown in, and there were +divers everywhere. The same magnetic field was present as in +the first two incidents. There was no air craft. + +I spent three weeks there in the event that the buildings had +to be adjusted. It seems that the divers had located the +exact spot that the air craft had rested on the bottom, but +it was gone. There was lots of evidence on the beach that +something very large had crashed into the lake causing the +water of the lake to splash ashore, over thirty feet, and +what was normally a rather clean lake, was suddenly a very +large mudhole. After three weeks, I left and was subjected +to the same type of security as the first two times. + +I didn't have to return to dismantle the pre-fab buildings. +I would think that it was done by others very soon there +after. There was some thoughts at first that the craft may +have been buried under the bottom of the lake, but by this +time, we knew enough about the craft to know if that were the +case. It was not - it just vanished. Perhaps it was not +damaged and managed to fly away. That may sound silly, but I +believe that it is a reasonable conclusion. There was some +damage to the immediate area. Six large electrical +transformers, and some other equipment were burnt out and had +to be replaced by the electric company. The government took +the electrical equipment and had it flown somewhere else. + +end of part 11 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1055.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1055.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d0796bd1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1055.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1055 + +PART 12 + +In 1979, I was sent to the shores of southern Texas. The +same type of situation, all the evidence led us to believe +that whatever it was, it landed in the water and flew away. + +I understand that over twenty men actually saw it go into the +water, but the days that followed bore no fruit. The Navy +divers had a good deal of evidence that some thing has made +a very large recent gash on the bottom in about seventy feet +of water. + +The very same magnetic field was present, and every thing +electrical in the immediate area was burnt out. By the end +of 1979, I was sent back to the very same lake in Northern +Pennsylvannia. It was a duplicate incident as the first time +we were there. It had landed in the lake and was gone. The +same electrical items were again destroyed, and the same +magnetic field was evident. I really have no physical +evidence to prove one way or another the identification of +the air craft. I can only examine what I have experienced +and wonder! My opinion is another story. + +I don't really believe that the air craft belongs to our +Government or any other government on this earth. From 1975 +to present, we would certainly have seen some kind of +revolutionary change in our air craft. To date, I still have +not seen any material to even slightly match the very first +piece of physical evidence that I had examined. That alone, +would have made a fantastic change in the material we use +today. No corporation or government could keep that kind of +material quality under cover for over twelve years. If they +had invented it. + +After twelve years we probably don't even know what it is, or +how to make it. I am positive that at the very least, they +have two of the air craft hidden somewhere, and probably have +learned very little from them, other than they exist. +However, the company that I was associated with has made some +gigantic leaps forward in electromagnetic forces. Perhaps +they did learn something from it after all. If we wish to +assume that these air craft are not from this earth, and are +from way out there in space, then my goodness, the planet +must be full of visitors. The air traffic alone, must be +fantastic. It seems to me that who ever they are they have +found it easier to land in the water rather than on our dry +earth. Perhaps it was designed to land on water or a very +flat surface. + +I have never really had any feelings one way or another +abvout E.T.'s. I have elected to deal with hard evidence +only, that was prior to 1975. For those few years +afterwards, I could not help but interject some opinions into +my brain. + +As I would rather deal with hard evidence only, I am forced +to put all of this on a scale, and take a good hard look at +the tilting of the scales. There is far too much here to +ignore. I must confess that I had some what leaned towards +the experimental air craft story. But as the years passed, +it became evident that was only a cover story. Too much time +has past, and our air craft are pretty much the same. There +is no doubt in my mind that we as well as others, are +constantly experimenting with new air craft, however at this +late date, I am reasonably certain that those crash sites +were not made by anything that we are familiar with, and then +again, I still kind of reserve that possibility. As you can +see, I have many mixed feelings about it. + +Im addition, I have no way of knowing if I had been on every +crash site that occurred. There may have been many more +during that period and many more since then. + +I really don't know if any one had ever been removed from the +two wrecks, that I had personally seen. Perhaps they were +only mechanical flights. Perhaps the medical people were +only there - just in case. And/or to test the wreck for any +form of unknown bacteria prior to removing it. Their being +present is not really evidence that a life form was found. +It could go either way. + +I just cannot imagine our government or any other keeping it +such a secret, if in fact, they were not from this earth. It +really serves no purpose that I can understand. Also appears +to me that if they were from somewhere else that they mean us +no harm. I would suspect that after all these years, if they +meant us harm, we would most certainly know about it by now. + +Even if they were only mechanical flights, the fact that they +could get here at all...so many times, is certainly a feat in +itself, and worthy of publication. + +If the fact that they managed to get here at all, and the +physical evidence, the material that I examined is any +indication of how intelligent they are, then I would feel +safe in assuming that they have left us in the stone age. On +a personal level, I have no fear of meeting or contacting +such a being. In fact, the very first time I saw the craft, +the thought had entered my mind. I didn't expect a being +like Frankenstein to come walking out. And for a short time +I had wondered what I would do if suddenly a door opened and +some form of life came out. What the heck! If it didn't +look too bad I may have walked up and said hello just as I +would to anyone else who may visit me. + +end of part 12 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1056.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1056.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0f9a7fa3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1056.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1056 + +PART 13 + +I would think that I would be more afraid of picking up some +unknown form of bacteria than I would be of the life form +itself. Well, today we can pick up AIDS...so, as I put the +germ fear aside. Yes. I would certainly try to be friendly +once the first wave of fear passed me by. What I fear more +than any visitor is that some farmer is going to get them +with a shot gun and do more damage than we can or want to +handle. Also, some cowboy policeman trying to shoot his +first space man. Because of that I should think that our +government would try to edcucate us as to the proper way to +handle any such situation. That little bit of awareness and +education may save our planet form destruction. If there is +clear evidence that we are being visited by intelligent life +forms, then the heads of our government are by far crazier +than I had imagined by trying to keep it a secret. The +damage of hostile action on our part may not be repairable. + +I'm sorry but I am not familiar with your group, but my +friend was very impressed by your speaker on tv as well as +the radio. Because of that I am trying to share whatever +information and evidence that I have which is in fact all +first hand data. I have illustrated the evidence and +information as it happened, and made note of where I +speculated. + +There are many items that I have not included in this +letter, only because this could turn into forty or fifty +pages. At some time in the future, if you wish, I will take +my time and write every detail that I can remember. I'll +also put it on tape for clarification. + +I was told that you plan to open another branch in the future +in the Philadelphia area? If that's the case I would +certainly be interested in some form of association with your +group. I belong to no other and never had any desire to, +however, I understand that you are serious people, and worthy +of respect. I regard the opinion of my friend very highly. +He is a professor of physics, and himself a very serious +person. I would appreciate your sending me some literature +about your group, and your plans if any to enter the +Philadelphia area. I think that you have selected a very +good location. There are many very serious people there and +a good solid investigation group would be quite welcome. I'm +certain that once you entered the area the support group +would be fantastic. If you selected Philadelphia, then the +assured that you picked the right city for another branch. + +Incidently, my experience in the E.T. world ended in 1980, +when I changed positions. Have you had any reports of +material that I examined belonging to an air craft from +others? And the ever present magnetic field, do you gave any +reports from others similar to that? I have heard of others +saying that they have seen a cigar shaped air craft, and I +feel rather silly. Perhaps that's not the word. But, to the +best of my knowledge and sight, it appeared to be just that. +A cigar shaped craft. Please note that in both cases, I had +never seen the front of the craft. I can only assume that +the design was constant. I'll close for now and hope to hear +from you. +I remain, +(AUTHORS NAME CENSORED) + +end of part 13 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1057.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1057.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..627b9fc4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1057.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1057 + +PART 14 + + +April 20, 1980 + +______________ +______________ +______________ + +Dear ________, + +I read your letter of the 13th with considerable interest. +It seems difficult to believe that I have finally found +someone that is as interested in finding out the true story +of Project Red Light. + +First of all I would like to address the specific points +requested in your letter, and then I will expand on them and +other items as well. + +1. I did not know about the UFO movie prior to reading your +article. + +2. I found out the name of Project Redlight almost by +accident. I was ____________________________________________ +in a warehouse at Area 51 and saw a large number of wooden +shipping crates (the type made with tongue and groove lumber +and used for shipping heavy items securely) with the code +name "Project Redlight" written with grease pen or felt tip +pen. Also on the crates was a stencilled "Edwards AFB" in +standard military type of letters. + +3. The article in Readers Digest that I referred to was +about a UFO that flew over the US from the East Coast to +where it "blew up" somewhere over eastern Nevada. The +article did not state that the pilot was human. I'm sorry +for the confusion on this. The reason that I felt that this +Digest article is important is that I remember a period +shortly after the date given in the article (I don't +remember what it was, sorry) everything came to a screeching +halt at Area 51. As you can see, I am just putting two and +two together, but I am satisfied that the UFO of the Digest +article and the UFO of Project Redlight are/were one and the +same. + +Now for some additional information that has come to mind +since I talked to you. + +Your report about the motorcycle riders is interesting. I +can remember hearing similar rumors while I worked on the +test site and I would not doubt the authenticity of your +report. The security force at Area 51 while I serviced the +Area were heavily armed and I considered them dangerous. +There were several times that I was in the wrong place at the +right time and had it not been provable that I was not +snooping or trying to snoop I really don't think I would be +writing you this letter. Incidentally, the security wore +standard air police uniforms but looked nothing like any of +the AP's I have ever dealt with. They were all in their 30's +to 40's, and looked like dock workers. Also as I remember it +the only markings they wore just said Air Police. They did +not have Nellis AFB on anything but a few of their vehicles, +and I believe that they were assigned to Edwards rather than +Nellis. The reason I remember this is that it seemed strange +to me during my first trip to Area 51 I noticed a slight +difference in their uniforms from Nellis AP's, and I over- +heard a couple of remarks that indicated they were from +Edwards. + +Another interesting point. I was accustomed to going out +onto the Bombing and Gunnery Range and had a number at Indian +springs (Nellis AFB maintains a forward area base there) to +call to get clearence onto the range. This was SOP. +However, in the case of Area 51 I called the security office +at Area 51. This indicated to me that Nellis AFB had nothing +to do with the operation of Area 51. Also the designation of +Area 51 was classified TOP SECRET. + +Incidentally, although I carried a "Q" clearance from the +Atomic Energy Commission as well as an inter agency TOP +SECRET clearance I was investigated for a special Air Force +TOP SECRET clearance in order to operate in Area 51. + +At this point I am going to give you just a series of +disconnected observations that I made in the hope that they +may tie in with something you or Len Stringfield may know. + +1. I saw some crates being unloaded from a cargo plane. The +aircraft was a super constellation with standard markings and +had nothing to indicate it had any military connections. +There was no airline name on it. + +2. I only saw the UFO one time. It was on the ground and +partly hidden behind a building and at first I thought it was +a small private aircraft until I noticed it had no wings or +tail. I was probably 1/2 mile or farther from it but I would +guess it 20 to 30 feet in diameter and sort of a pewter color +rather than bright polished aluminium. + +end of part 14 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1058.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1058.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fdbd0088 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1058.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1058 + +PART 15 + +3. The reason I know it flew silently is I was present on a +number of occasions when it was landing or taking off (I was +always taken inside and out of view of the runway at these +times) and at no time did I hear anything that sounded like a +conventional or any other kind of engine. + +4. I was working on their ______ several times when they +just_______. However since I was there to work on them I +really didn't think anything about it. Oh yes, they would +___________ again just as suddenly. Also there were a number +of times that I was called out to work on ______ and could +not find anything wrong with it. + +5. On of the men that I knew were "Pilots" was just slightly +larger than me. + +6. Most of the test flights occurred in the daytime rather +than at night. + +7. The radio frequency they used at that time was in the +regular commercial VHF band and was a simplex frequency. At +one time I had the Freq. written down but I have no idea now +what it was. Anyway, i really think that someone with a +scanner could pick them up if they were to park on the road +to the east of the test site and use some kind of directional +antenna. + +8. Before I send this letter I will try to get a USC&GS map +of the area and will mark the location of Area 51 on it. + +9. There was a Radar Station at the north end of the test +site near the town of Tonopah, Nevada. A fellow from my home +town of _______,________ was an operator there. His name is +__________ __________ . We were talking about the test site +one day when he mentioned that he was always picking up UFO's +over the test site but was told to ignore them. I remember +him telling about one that he picked up on the edge of his +RBI on the first revolution was directly overhead on the +second pass and was just going off the scope on the third +revolution of the antenna. + +10. For some reason I seem to remember that the Redlight is +spelled Redlight i.e. all one word. + +11. I always had the impression that the flight test area +was from Area 51 north because there is a natural valley that +runs in that direction for 200 miles or so. Also the area +to the south was more populated. Also I entered Area 51 from +the north and there were a couple of times that i was +questioned about whether I had 'noticed' anything on the way +in. + +12. I was reminded constantly that no matter what I saw I +could be in serious trouble if I ever talked about any of it. +I can't stress how much how tight the security was, it was +almost paranoid. + +13. I don't think this has anything to do with Redlight, but +I remember when I was a kid back in the 40's, on two +occasions I saw a story about UFO's included in the weekly +Pathe' News. There was one story about a UFO that had +crashed somewhere and another story about a UFO that was +found in some farmers barn. Both of those stories were given +the usual news treatment. The reason that I am mentioning +this is that I recently read an article about the entire +library of Pathe' movie film being given to an institution of +some kind which would make it available to researchers. I am +certain that if these film clips could be located they would +be useful. Realizing that these stories appeared prior to +Blue Book and at a time of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, +there is probably a better than even chance that they can be +located by someone willing to spend the time viewing a few +hundred hours of old news film. + +14. More on item #7, the air-to-ground frequencies were in +the 200mc range. I believe there is a standard set of air-to +-ground or government frequencies either just above or just +below the 220mc ham band and their communications were on +those frequencies. + +Well there you have it ______. I hope that I have shed some +light on some dark areas. Should any other thoughts come to +mind that I feel may be important I will try to catch you on +the ____________. Hopefully if I can get things settled down +to a dull roar I will be able to start checking in on a more +permanent basis. Of course, should you have any questions or +want further clarification please contact me. + + + (signature) + +NOTE...Any information that would identify the sender or +recipient of this letter has been deleted in order to protect +them. The original document contains both names and +addresses but will be given to no one without their +permission. The reason Len Stringfields name is left in is +that he is a known UFO researcher and it cannot hurt him as +he was not the sender or receiver. + +end of part 15 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1059.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1059.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cbbbb418 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1059.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1059 + +PART 16 + + CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY TOP SECRET + WASHINGTON, D.C. 20505 + + June 24, [BLANK] + + +[BLANK] + +[BLANK]/MJ12 + +Executive Briefing {Memo} + +Yesterday R2 requested briefing on Project "A". In particular, +he wanted update info from [BLANK]. MJ3 advised that that +info was not available to R2. Apparently, White House requested +info because of [ BLANK ]. Can't seem +to make those fools realize [BLANK] info is not available for +any dissemination, per EO 01156, regardless of who requests +info. Contact T-2P and see if he can assume custody of the +matter. + +Don't allow AF to evaluate IDENT info. They may open up a +little too much. KEND-3 can assist to some extent. + + + + MJ5 + + + + + + TOP SECRET + + + HANDLE ON STRICT + NEED TO KNOW BASIS + + +TO: All interested parties + +FROM: Allen Benz + Foundation for UFO Research + Box 182 + Tucson, AZ 85702-0182 + + +SUBJECT: WILLIAM S. "Bill" ENGLISH + +Recently we received a letter from Bill English which states +in part: + It's come to my attention that I've been the subject + of much speculation on the Paranet out of Phoenix, and + that several people have called my father at his + office in Phoenix. All trying to find out if I am + indeed his son and/or if I'm alive...[please] put + out a message on the net telling everyone that I'm + alive and well and that I request that they not + bother my father anymore. I think he's about to + blow a gasket. + +Anyone wishing to contact Bill English may do so by contacting us +at the above mailing address. + + + + QUESTIONS ON AQUARIUS + + by Christian P. Lambright + + + It has been said that there are three kinds of people, those +who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who +wonder...what happened...? It seems that nothing more true could be +said of the types of people involved in the arena of UFO interest. +The recent controversy concerning the alleged project entitled "AQUARIUS" +and the control group labeled "MJ-12" seems a prime example of the +confusion that results from lack of communication between interested +parties. Is there a project AQUARIUS which deals with UFOs? Who first +discovered that such a project existed? If the documentation supporting +the existence of an "MJ-12" group is valid, as some contend, then +why does it appear full of discrepancies? These are questions that +need to be addressed before any attempt can be made to judge the validity +of the issues. + +end of part 16 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1060.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1060.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2db8fe77 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1060.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1060 + +PART 17 + + As any good detective can tell, motivation is a helpful key +in solv-ing any crime or mystery. Who would stand to gain by the situation +at hand? Perhaps a little of this line of reasoning would help in +solving the current mystery of AQUARIUS/MJ-12. The revelation of a +UFO-related project by the name of AQUARIUS first appeared on the +scene in what has commonly been referred to as the "NASA-telex" +[AQUARIUS.DOC]. This is the allegedly genuine document which describes +several pieces of photographic film relating to incidents at Kirtland +AFB and the case of Paul Bennewitz. As most knowledgeable people are +aware, this document relates quite a bit of interesting information +pertaining to official interest in UFOs as well as mentioning the +existence of project AQUARIUS and something called "MJ-12". However, +several key areas in this document were deleted by either the original +source or by the recipient. It is interesting to note that there is +a retyped version of this document which has circulated with the deletions +filled-in, but with no explanation as to who retyped it or how the +previously deleted areas were uncovered. + + Reportedly Peter Gersten was shown this document in 1983 and +so it would seem that it has been around for several years. But if +Gersten was the original recipient he has not revealed where he obtained +it or from whom. This document would appear to be closely tied to +the events at Kirtland AFB in 1980 inasmuch as it mentions Bennewitz +and the Air Force interest in UFO sightings over military bases. Could +the release of this document be related to the release of the initial +document(s) concerning the events at Kirtland? [KIRTLND1.DOC, KIRTLND2.DOC] +William Moore has stated that he was first given the initial Kirtland +documents in Washington DC in early 1982 by an unnamed source. And +there have been several rumors circulated concerning heated arguments +between Moore and Gersten over the means by which Gersten obtained +these documents. Rumors aside, if Moore received his documents over +one year after the incidents occurred then whoever gave him these +copies must have had access to them either from AFOSI files in Washington +or from the original sender at Kirtland. There are indications that +William Moore received his copies from Richard Doty, the AFOSI Special +Agent at Kirtland AFB. Other sources have also reported that Doty +was involved in an effort to get information of this nature out to +certain individuals for purposes unknown. And so it seems possible +that Doty was responsible for the Kirtland documents and perhaps the +"NASA-telex" being released as he would have been in a position to +have access to such information. Regardless, it would fall to serious +UFO researchers to attempt to verify if the documents conveyed valid +information, or disinformation. + + As interest began to focus on AQUARIUS and "MJ-12" several +different FOIA requests were filed with various government agencies +to try to garn-ish information on these subjects, but as recently +as 1986 most of the leading figures in Ufology were convinced that +the document was a forgery and that Project AQUARIUS was nonexistent. + +In 1985 I had filed several different requests with government agencies +requesting information on three projects: Sigma, Snowbird and Aquarius; +as well as any information pertaining to MJ-12 or Majestic-12. I +specifically did not mention any connection or interest dealing with +UFOs in these requests. With the exception of the National Security +Agency every response I received was a denial of any knowledge of +any of these subjects or titles. While they stated that Sigma and +Snowbird were "not projects of this agency" and that they had no knowledge +of MJ-12, they estimated that search fees for all information on Project +AQUARIUS would be $15,000! It would appear that this is a rather expansive +project. After several subsequent requests for clarification and to +simply send the initial document which initiated the project the NSA +stated that the project did not deal with "UFOs" and that as I would +not be paying the fees they were concluding action on my requests. +Subsequent appeals only clarified that Project AQUARIUS was classified +Top Secret and that release of any portion of it could pose "grave +danger to the national security." [AQUANSA.DOC] + + Several individuals have considered the statement by the NSA +that AQUARIUS does not deal with UFOs to be patently honest, and perhaps +this is the truth. However I believe that to have expected the NSA +to "rollover" and openly reveal otherwise would be naive to say the +least. It seems paradoxical that some "researchers" both expect these +agencies to be deceptive but will readily accept some statements as +totally accurate. I believe that there are sufficient reasons to suspect +that the NSA project may actually be the project which is indicated +in the "NASA-telex" which originally mentioned it and MJ-12. + + In the process of trying to verify the above document I had +addressed a series of letters to what was designated the 7602 Air +Intelligence Group (7602 AINTELG), as of 1983 known as the Air Force +Special Activities Center. A Branch of the Air Force Intelligence +Service, the 7602 AINTELG deals with human resource intelligence, +much the same as the 4602 AINTELG which is known to have aided Edward +Ruppelt in his investi-gations several years ago. This may or may +not be coincidence and could be an interesting avenue for further +research. Nevertheless, in the process of trying to get information +on this group I had been receiving somewhat evasive response letters +from AFIS. In a conversation with an Air Force source in which I had +referred to my problems in obtaining information on this group I was +informed that perhaps this is due to the fact that "they are a branch +of the NSA!" This was at the time my first indication that there may +be some NSA involvement, and was prior to my letters to NSA itself. +Within a few months I was to learn another interesting fact pointing +to the NSA. + + With the aid of well known researcher Thomas Adams I was notified +of a person who reportedly had heard a very interesting statement +concerning the initial AQUARIUS/MJ-12 document. After speaking with +this gentleman personally I was firmly convinced that the information +he was relating was accurate as it had been told to him. He related +that he had been told personally that this document had been changed +in two ways, and that he had been told this by the individual who had +changed it. Although both changes were not revealed, he had been told +that the reference in the document to "NASA" had originally been "NSA"! +And who was the person doing the telling ...none other than William +Moore. In a brief conversation with Moore after this in which I asked +him if he had any knowledge of this he simply stated "No comment." + +end of part 17 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1061.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1061.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c785bc38 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1061.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1061 + +PART 18 + + The recent issue of JUST CAUSE also contains the statement by +Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood that they have been told that this +document is actually a retyped version. This fact was reportedly +revealed in 1983 to Peter Gersten by an Air Force officer and was +either forgotten or over-looked until just recently. However, the Air +Force source who is cited is said to be none other than Richard Doty +himself. + + In light of the fact that it has recently become common knowledge +that Mr. Moore does (for his own reasons) delete documents which he +obtains, and that he is rather aggressive in his research, I believe +that Mr. Moore did in fact retype or have this document retyped. But +does this negate the value of the document, or indicate that it is +a hoax? Perhaps this explains why no one can verify if the document +is genuine, because technically it is a forgery. It would appear that +it is up to Mr. Moore to reveal a clean, accurate version and to finally +reveal the facts behind its acquisition. + + According to film producer and director Linda Moulton Howe, +she has had independent confirmation of MJ-12 and reportedly was shown +a set of documents containing much of the same, if not identical, +information. However, the actual name of the group in question was +not "Majestic" but another similar sounding word containing the letters +M and J. Could it be that the term "Majestic" was a substitution in +a clever attempt to withhold a key bit of information which only someone +with true inside information would be able to identify? + + If there is reason to question the accuracy of the information +pre-sented in the original AQUARIUS/MJ-12 document as well as the +information in the recent documents pertaining to MJ-12, does this +logically imply that the 1980 Kirtland/Bennewitz events should be +considered questionable? Any single-witness UFO sighting has always +been somewhat questionable, this is exactly why we look for multiple +witnesses and any other supporting evidence. If Richard Doty, or Paul +Bennewitz were alone in reporting these incidents then the Kirtland +events would never have become as major an issue as they have. However +there were numerous individuals involved not only in the events +precipitating preparation of the documents themselves. A brief summary +of the incidents is as follows:- + + Early 1980, Paul Bennewitz becomes involved in observing and + filming objects which he has sighted on the ground and in the + air near Kirtland AFB and the Manzano range. Reportedly his + wife was also present to witness some of the first landings + he witnessed and filmed in the Coyote Canyon area. Subsequently + he contacts Earnest Edwards of the Kirtland Security Police who, + over the period of the next few months, becomes concerned and + requests the guards on the Manzano Weapons Storage Area report + to him any sightings of unusual aerial lights. At the beginning + of August 1980 three guards report sighting an aerial light + which descends on the Sandia Military Reservation. This is + the first sighting described in the complaint form signed by + Richard Doty. Edwards reports the sighting to Doty unaware that + Doty has already heard from Russ Curtis (Sandia Security Chief) + that a Sandia Security guard sighted a disc-shaped object near + a structure just minutes after the sighting by the three Manzano + guards. Doty includes these reports and several others in his + Complaint Form and forwards the report to AFOSI Headquarters + in Washington. + + +From this point on many other persons became involved. Bennewitz was +called down to a meeting at Kirtland AFB at which several major Air +Force officers and Sandia personnel were present, including a Brigadier +General. Earnest Edwards has confirmed that the three guards under +his command reported what was described, and that the meeting took +place. Bennewitz has confirmed that Doty and Jerry Miller came to +his home to view his materials and there is a document signed by Thomas +A. Cseh, Commander of the Base Investigative Detachment, to confirm +this. Finally there is the complete set of documents which were released +by AFOSI Headquarters under cover of the Department of the Air Force +relating to the described events. + + There seem to be only two possibilities to consider. One: that +this is one of the most profound deceptions that has been undertaken +with the sanction of the USAF, involving a civilian, for purposes +which can only be imagined. The other: that the events happened as +described and that the intervening years, subsequent developments, +and misguided researchers, have only clouded the facts. Perhaps there +was also some effort made on an official level to defuse the sensitive +nature of the events. + + Would Richard Doty have perpetrated a hoax, involved other +officers in his deception, sent the hoax on to AFOSI Headquarters, +and then spread certain information to civilian UFO researchers? For +what purpose? And would he still be in the Air Force if he was discovered, +knowing the public relations catastrophe that could result from AFOSI +in Washington releasing the subsequent documents? It seems inconceivable +that the Base Investigative Detachment, and the Department of the +Air Force, would not have quickly and easily discovered the hoax and +subsequently labeled the entire matter as such, knowing their previous +predilection to do just that. + + A few simple telephone calls have served to clarify much of +the truth of the initial incidents. We must avoid the temptation at +times to "shoot first and ask questions later" which can result in +spreading misinformation ourselves. It is advisable to use tact in +approaching witnesses as we have no God-given right to call up strangers +and demand that they answer questions, particularly when sensitive +matters may be involved. Is it any surprise that some of these people +may not want to be bothered by every person who plies them with questions? + +end of part 18 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1062.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1062.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..65ad9bee --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1062.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1062 + +PART 19 + + A very bizarre but intriguing letter was sent to APRO in either +late 1980 or early 1981 and is commonly referred to by the name of +the initial subject of the letter, a Mr. Craig Weitzel. This letter +refers to a sequence of events which occurred in the mid-1980's at +both Kirtland AFB and in an area near Pecos, NM and also makes several +statements to the effect that there is a UFO-investigation detachment +stationed at or near Kirtland. The writer also goes on to mention +among other things that there is at least one "object" stored in the +Manzano storage area. That the letter was at least legitimately received +at APRO can be ascertained by the vehement letter which Jim Lorenzen +mailed out rebuking the gentleman who released this letter without +official permission from APRO. However, can we determine if this letter +is a total hoax or is there even a grain of truth to be found in the +information it conveys? In a conversation I had with Craig Weitzel +he claimed to know nothing of the details related in the letter, and +denied that he took any photographs. Strangely enough, however, he +did state that he and the other did see an unusual silvery object +hovering high in the sky which left the area, to use his words, +"exponentially"! He had been training in mountain rescue operations +and he and the others had spelled out S-O-S on the mountain side using +parachutes and were waiting for the rescue helicopters to spot them. +While looking for these helicopters they notices the silvery "UFO". +If this is all that occurred what could be the reason to fabricate +such a letter and yet give the name and address of a witness who was +sure to refute the claims? Was it just a bizarre practical joke? The +author of the anonymous letter claims that after Weitzel spoke with +AFOSI agent Dody (sic) he did not want to have anything more to do +with the matter and subsequently the Dody character denied that there +had been any photographs. Was this a circumstance that could have +been expected based on previous experience with Air Force handling +of such matters? Many government and military witnesses often refuse +to talk about their experiences to strangers either because of official +pressure or simply for the sake of their own privacy. Motivation again +must be considered in efforts to find the complete truth. + + In early October 1987 I had a strange conversation with an individual +who is unknown to me except by first name and who initially knew +absolutely nothing about my interest in UFOs. During a telephone +conversation which took place totally by chance, the subject of nuclear +weapons came up as this person indicated some knowledge of this +weaponry, being at the time a member of the Air Force. I jokingly +asked to know everything there was to know about Kirtland AFB, but +not due to my interest in nuclear weapons per se but because of something +else I thought may be stored at Manzano that "isn't nuclear weapons." +After a momentary chuckle this individual said, "yes...UFOs!" As astounded +as I was I asked for a little clarification, and after relating my +interest, I was told that there are two "objects" stored in the Manzano +area from what this person had heard during conversations by Air Force +personnel in Germany. There had been some discussion about something +which was related to a UFO incident widely reported in German newspapers +in 1981 being similar to something which "they" had "over here." +Because of the circumstances under which this conversation occurred +and the fact that I had in no way even alluded to the subject I believe +that this may offer some support to some of the statements made in +the anonymous "Weitzel" letter. + + A final note of interest has come up in the newly released book +on the "flying boomerang" objects reported in recent years in and +around New York state [NIGHT SIEGE, Ballantine 1987]. In the process +of investigating these incidents Hynek and Imbrogno were contacted +by an individual who claimed to work for the NSA. They apparently +verified this to their own satisfaction, and while this person professed +that his interest was only personal, they were struck by the inordinate +amount of interest this person showed in their investigations and +any evidence they uncovered. There are even indications that their +telephones may have been tapped. While it is unknown if this man's +interest went further than personal curiosity, it is clear that the +investigators felt there was something unusual about it. Nevertheless, +here is yet another instance in which the National Security Agency +seems to have crept into the picture. + + Do the facts as outlined here cast reasonable suspicion on the +NSA and its part in official interest in unidentified flying objects? +I believe that they do and that there is justifiable cause to suspect +that the project AQUARIUS which relates (at least in some way) to +UFOs is probably an NSA, or NSA related project. It also still seems +that in spite of the arguments and confusion concerning documents, +the designation "MJ-12" must be considered if not a certainty, than +at least potentially valid. Those who have taken the time to contact +witnesses and obtain their statements and help, have the best chance +to make up their minds for themselves, regardless of the confusion +concerning altered documents which seems to be precipitating furiously. +We do not want to throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water +simply because the facts seem confusing. Perhaps even the confusion +is being directed by someone somewhere. We should keep our sights +fixed firmly on the major issues and the facts we can prove in our +efforts to uncover the truth. + +END + +Thanks to all those sources both named and unnamed who have contributed +to the facts outlined here. + +end of part 19 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1063.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1063.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5c6c545a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1063.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,154 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1063 + +PART 20 + +CUFON Computer UFO Network + +Document #: 1 +From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-09-1986 +Subject: 1947 J. EDGAR HOOVER FBI + + CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA + + FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES + +------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Memorandum for Mr. Ladd + + mr. ________ also discussed this matter with Colonel L. H. Forney +of MID. Colonel Forney indicated that it was his attitude that inasmuch +as it has been established that the flying disks are not the result +of any Army or Navy experiments, the matter is of interest to the +FBI. He stated that he was of the opinion that the Bureau, if at +all possible, should accede to General Schulgen's request. + +SWR:AJB + +ADDENDUM + +I would recommend that we advise the Army that the Bureau does not +believe it should go into these investigations, it being noted that +a great bulk of those alleged discs reported found have been pranks. +It is not believed that the Bureau would accomplish anything by going +into these investigations. + + DML + +(Clyde Tolson)-I think we should do this. (Dated 7/15) + +(J. Edgar Hoover)-I would do it but before agreeing to it we must +insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the SW +case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory +examination. + + + +CUFON Computer UFO Network + +Document #: 2 +From: UFO INFO S ERVICE +Date Sent: 06-09-1986 +Subject: 1947 AAF W/FBI UFO INVES. + +CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA + +FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES +------------------------------------------------------------------ +DATE OF DOCUMENT 7/30/1947 +(B) FLYING DISCS-The Bureau, at the request o f the Army Air Force +intelligence, has agreed to cooperate in the investigation of flying +discs. The Air Forces have confidentially advised that it is possible +to release three or more discs in odd numbers, attached together by +a wire, from an airplane in high altitudes and that these discs would +obtain tremendous speed in their descent and would descend to the earth +in an arc. The Army Air Forces Intelligence has also indicated some +concern that the reported sightings might have been made by subversive +individuals for the purpose of creating a mass hysteria. + +(AUTHORIZATION TO INVESTIGATE) + +7-30-47 +BUREAU BULLETIN NO. 42 -2- +Series 1947 + + You should investigate each instance which is brought to your +attention of a sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether +or not it is a bonifide sighting, an imaginary one or a prank. You +should also bear in mind that individuals might report seeing flying +discs for various reasons. It is conceivable that an individual might +be desirous of seeking personal publicity, causing hysteria, or playing +a prank. + + The Bureau should be notified immediately by teletype of all +reported sightings and the results of your inquiries. In instances +where the report appears to have merit, the teletype should be followed +by a letter to the Bureau containing in detail the results of your +inquiries. The Army Air Forces have assured the Bureau complete +cooperating in these matters and in any instances where they fail +to make information available to you or make the recovered discs available +for your examination, it should promptly be brought to the attention +of the Bureau. + + Any information you develop in connection with these discs should +be promptly brought to the attention of the Army through your usual +liason channels. + + + + +CUFON Computer UFO Network + +Document #: 3 +From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-09-1986 +Subject: 1966 J.E.HOOVER RESPONSE + + CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA + + FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES +------------------------------------------------------------------ + +ST-101 July 2l, 1966 + +___________________ +Cleburne, Texas 76031 + +Dear Mr. ___________ _ + Your letter of July 16th has been received. + For your information, the investigation of Unidentified Flying +Objects is not and never has been a matter that is within the +investigative jurisdiction of the FBI. I can assure you the photograph +you mentioned does not represent employees of this Bureau and the +FBI has never had custody of an occupant from a foreign planet. + + Enclosed are some booklets pertaining to our activities which I +hope you will enjoy reading. + + Sincerely yours, + + + John Edgar Hoover + Director + + + +Enclosures (2) +Know your FBI +Story of the FBI +NOTE: Correspondent is not identifiable in Bufiles. The Bureau has +had other inquiries concerning this photograph. The article which +appeared in a recent issue of this magazine purported to be an actual +report of unidentified flying objects and has been brought to the +attention of the Bureau previously. In view of the fictional aspects +of the material and our relations with "Real" magazine no contact +was made with the magazine regarding the representation of FBI Agents. + +MAIL ROOM ___ TELETYPE UNIT ___ +end of part 20 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1064.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1064.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6dd5b4af --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1064.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1064 + +PART 21 + +CUFON Computer UFO Network + +Document #: 4 +From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-09-1986 +Subject: 1949 FBI MEMO RE: PHOTOS + + CUFON-UFO INFORMATION SERVICE SEATTLE, WA + + FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES + --------------------------------------------------------------- + +Office Memorandum - UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT + +TO : DIRECT OR FBI DATE: January 10, 1949 +FROM : SAC KNOXVILLE +SUBJECT : "FLYING SAUCERS" OBSERVED OVER + OAK RIDGE AREA + INTERNAL SECURITY-X + + There are being submitted herewith two photographs of reputedly +"flying saucers" which were seen at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, sometime +during July of 1947. All of the information contained in this letter +was received from George Rateman, Resident Engineer, Air Material +Command, United States Army, who is the principal army technician +at the Nuclear Energy for the Propulsion of Aircraft Research Center +at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. + + Mr. Rateman advised that the attached photographs were taken +by ______ in July of 1947. He stated that interview with _______ +revealed that he had been snapping photographs of his family in front +of his residence at 218 Illinois Avenue, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, late +in the afternoon, when he looked into the sky and observed the vapor +trail as exhibited by the photograph numbered "1." __________ stated +that he took a snap of this trail, was winding the film to the next +number, when he looked into the sky and observed the ball of fire +as shown in photograph 2. _______ made these photographs available +to reporters of the Knoxville News-Sentinel and a story concerning +them was run in that paper; however, as shown by the photostatic copy +of the newspaper clipping, which is also being submitted herewith +to the Bureau, the print was very indistinct; the news story did not +contain any factual information; and it was regarded generally by +the public at the time as a possible trick. + + Later, it was learned by Rateman And _________ that _________ +had made several copies of this photograph and had distributed them +among his aquaintances at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Upon ___________ +finding that the photographs had received some distribution, he requested +Rateman as Head o f the Compliance and Investigations Division, to +recover as many as possible of the photographs, advise the persons +in whose possession they were found to say nothing to anyone concerning +them, and to return the said photographs to him for transmission to +the United States Air Force Intelligence Service. Rateman advises +that he succeeded in rounding up twenty four copies of these photographs, +and that, according to the statements of ________, no more copies +were made or distributed. Rateman further stated that _______ had +appeared extremely concerned over the matter and seemed quite emphatic +that the matter should be given no more publicity than was absolutely +necessary. Rateman also advised that he studied the negatives from +which the reproductions were made, and they appeared to be authentic +in that trick photography should have been apparent, but from +the ______________ __________ ______. + + + +NOTE: THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENT WAS OBTAINED THROUGH NORMAL CHANNELS, +INCLUDING THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA). THE DOCUMENT IS +NOT A HOAX. GUY HOTTEL WAS THE SENIOR AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) OF THE +WASHINGTON FBI OFFICE IN 1950. THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY DOCUMENTS THAT, +ALL TOGETHER, INDICATE A GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY COVER-UP OF UFOs +THAT MAKES WATERGATE LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY. + + +***************************************************************** + + +Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT + +TO: DIRECTOR, FBI DATE: March 22, 1950 + +FROM: GUY HOTTEL, SAC, WASHINGTON + +SUBJECT: FLYING SAUCERS + INFORMATION CONCERNING + + +The following information was furnished to SA [blanked] by +[ blanked ] +[ blanked ] + +An investigator for the Air Forces stated that three so-called flying +saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as +being circular in shape with raised centers, approxi-mately 50 feet +in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape +but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine +texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout +suits used by speed flyers and test pilots. + +According to Mr. [blanked] informant, the saucers were found in New +Mexico due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered +radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes +with the controling mechanism of the saucers. + +No further evaluation was attempted by SA [blank] concerning the above. + + + +RHK:VIM + + +****************************************************************** +end of part 21 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1065.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1065.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5283475e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1065.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1065 + +PART 22 + + FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES +------------------------------------------------------------------ + 23 September 1947 +SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs" +TO: Commanding General + Army Air Forces + Washington 25, D.C. + + ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen + AC/AS-2 + +1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered +opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs." +This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 +and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, +Engineering Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference +between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence +T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power +Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3. + +2. It is the opinion that: + + a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or + fictitious. + + b. There are objects probably approximately the shpe of a disc, + of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made + aircraft. + + c. There is the possibility that some of the incidents may be caused + by natural phenomena, such as meteors. + + d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates + of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action + which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by + friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility + that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically + or remotely. + + e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows: + + (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface. + + (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the object + apparently was operating under high performance conditions. + + (3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed + on top. + + (4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from + three to nine objects. + + (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances + a substantial rumbling roar was noted. + + [6] Level flight speeds normally about 300 knots are estimated. + + + +Continued on Next One + + + FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT DOCUMENT FILES +------------------------------------------------------------------ + 2 + LETTER FROM GENERAL N.F. TWINING TO COMMANDING GENERAL, + ARMY AIR FORCES 23 SEPTEMBER 1947 +------------------------------------------------------------------ + + f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge - provided + extensive detailed development is undertaken--to construct + a piloted aicraft which has the general description of the + object in subparagraph (e) above which would be capable of + an approximate range of 700 miles at subsonic speeds. + + g. Any devlopments in this country along the lines indicated would + be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable + expense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should + be set up independently of existing projects. + + h. Due consideration must be given the following: + + (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic + origin the product of some high security project not + known to AC/AS-2 or this command. + + [2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash + recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the + existence of these objects. + + (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form + of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of + our domestic knowledge. + +3. It is recommended that: + + a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a + priority, security classification and code name for a detailed + study of this matter to include the preparation of complete + sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be + made available to the Army , Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, + JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the + RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with + a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt + of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days + as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data + should be effected. + +4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation + within its current resources in order to more closely define the + nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information + will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels. + + N.F. TWINING + Lieutenant General, U.S.A. + Commanding. + +end of part 22 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1066.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1066.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0373d0d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1066.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,156 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1066 + +PART 23 + + + The Seattle Times Friday, May 8, 1987 + +60,000 sightings can't be wrong, Seattleite insists, "The bottom line +is: Don't believe me, but do read what is available." Dale Goudie + +By Peter Lewis Times Staff Reporter +------------------------------------------------------------------ + In their most commonly reported from, the aliens have large +heads and stand 3 to 4 feet tall. Their enormous eyes rest under +a transparent helmet. Clad in jumpsuits adorned with insignias, the +humanoids walk in sure, positive movements. Far out? Maybe so, but +that's where they probably come from. And Seattle resident Dale Goudie +has talked to people who say they've seen them. + +Goudie has spent the past 14 years researching UFOs and using the +Freedom of Information Act to collect federal documents that he contends +prove UFOs exist. + +The official position of the U.S. Air Force, for example, is that +it got out of the UFO business when Project Bluebook ended in 1969. +But Goudie says the Bluebook was succeeded by Project Aquarius. Since +1942, there have been an estimated 60,000 UFO sightings in the United +States alone and only 5 percent of sightings are actually reported, +Goudie says. Feeding characteristics of the 60,000 sightings into +a computer, 250 different shapes emerged, suggesting to Goudie that +there may be more than one species involved in UFOs. "The bottom +line is: Don't believe me, but do read what is available," says Goudie, +who has dedicated a room in his home to countless files and papers +on UFOs. + +"The real problem is, no one wants to take the responsibility +of telling the American public this (UFOs) is real." Consider a series +of once classified material on Project Aquarius: An Air Force document +dated Nov. 17, 1980, from the Office of Special Investigations at +Rolling Air Force Base in Washington, D.C., to OSI at Kirtland Air +Force Base in New Mexico refers to a "request for photo imagery +interpretation." Other papers indicate that the request stemmed from +a series of "alleged sightings of unidentified aerial lights" over +the Manzano Wepons Storage Area at Kirtland between Aug. 8 and Sept. +3, 1980. An analysis of at least two pictures of the sightings concluded +that the film was unaltered and that they were "legitimate negative(s) +of (an) unidentified aerial object," according to the Nov. 17, 1980, +document. Of the two confirmed sightings, one "contained a trilateral +insignia on the lower portion of objects..." The document also states: +"The official U .S. government policy and results of Project Aquarius +is still classified top secret with no dissemination outside official +intelligence channels. ...Because of a chance of public disclosure, +no knowledgeable personnel with SPA (it's not clear if SPA stands +for Special Project Aquarius, or something else) will be provided..." +But another Air Force document dated Jan. 25,1983, says "possible +unauthorized release of classified material" cast doubt on the authenticity +of the Nov. 17, 1980, document. + +The later document says the earlier one included nonexistent officers, +and it sought to discredit the validity of the purported imagery +interpretation. When a Freedom of Information request letter dated +Feb. 20, 1986, sought information on Project Aquarius, the National +Security Agency responded, in part, with a letter dated March 3, 1986: +"Please be advised that Project Aquarius does not deal with unidentified +aerial objects. We, therefore, have no information to provide you +on the subject." But when Sen. John Glenn wrote the National Security +Agency on Jan. 7 of this year on behalf of a constituent who was having +trouble getting responses to Freedom of Information requests about +Project Aquarius, the reply letter, dated Jan. 27, said in part: +"Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name which +dealt with UFOs. Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by +that name. + +The NSA project does not deal with UFOs.. .." It is Goudie's contention +that the responses about Project Aquarius demonstrate the government +is saying one thing and doing another. He theorizes that the government +is reluctant to admit the existence of even one UFO because as soon +as it does, it fears opening the door to mass hysteria. + +Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the Air Force and the National Security +Agency either declined comment or denied that any government agency +is actively investigating UFOs. The Air Force quit studying UFOs in +1969 after a $500,000 study conducted by the University of Colorado +concluded that "UFO phenomena do not offer a fruitful field in which +to look for major scientific discoveries," according to Capt. Jay +DeFrank. DeFrank noted that in 1977, President Carter asked the National +Aeronautic and Space Administration to look into the possibility of +resuming active investigation of UFOs. This is the same man who in +1973, when he was governor of Georgia, said, "I don't laugh at people +anymore when they say they have seen UFOs because I've seen one myself." + +NASA spokesman Dave Garrett recalls that agency's response to the +president: "We said, 'Thank you, but no thank you.' We have never +been in the business." Dennis Chadwick, chief spokesman for the National +Security Agency at Fort George Meade in Maryland, an arm of the pentagon, +would not say whether NSA or any other government agency is actively +investigating UFOs. + +Goudie, a 45-year-old freelance ad man and former TV talk-show producer, +is not deterred by the government's stance. Two years ago, he established +a computerized UFO bulletin board - CUFON (for Computer UFO Network) +- that has more than 1,400 members. It spits out information, free +of charge, to anyone with a computer and a modem. He also runs UFO +Information Service International, a global network of UFO sightings, +and Puget Sound Aerial Phenomena Research Inc. None of these enterprises, +he says, is a money-making operation. Goudie says he and others like +him have been helped in their many Freedom of Information requests +by military personnel who want the public to know about UFOs, but +who can't afford to be named. + +Many of the documents he's obtained indicate that "suspicious unknown +air activity" has occurred at top-security military installations +where nuclear weapons are stored. The documents relating to UFOs +dropping in on Air Force bases have been published elsewhere - and +professional skeptics such as Phillip Klass, an editor with "Aviation +Week & Space Technology," have written books debunking the authenticity +of those and others sightings. But Goudie notes the government itself +has never volunteered any information, much less any explanations, +about UFOs at military bases. "You can explain anything away," says +Goudie, referring to Klass and the other debunkers. "But these aren't +solid answers." + +Goudie also says he has consulted with "optical physicists" who have +performed "video-negative photoanalysis" of videotapes of UFOs to +substantiate that the object are not of this earth. Goudie also says +he has interviewed about 40 people over the years who claim to have +been abducted by UFOs. All occurred in rural areas, including some +episodes outside Redmond, in Maple Valley and north of Seattle. He +thinks about three-fourths of them are telling the truth. In many +cases, the victims have suffered physical scars that they didn't have +before their encounter, Goudie says. "I've tried to get these people +to come forward. They don't want anything to do with newspapers. +They're scared to death of losing their jobs..." + +Considering the threat to national security and the risk to civilians, +Goudie believes the government has an obligation to be more forthcoming. +You don't have to look to far away places for physical evidence of +UFOs, according to Goudie. He has a videotape of an object flying +over Tacoma in 1982, enhanced by a process known as "video photo analysis" +which allows the viewer to see vertical and horizontal lines within +what Goudie calls "the plasma" that covers the true shape within. +He expects the video to air on Sunday's "Town Meeting" on KOMO. +Television, specifically a Dick Cavett show that aired in 1973, started +Goudie's preoccupation with UFOs. He's since appeared on CNN's Larry +King Show and CBS-TV network news shows, among others. He spent countless +hours and dollars pursuing UFOs. His goal, he says, is to see the +subject become an area of serious scientific inquiry. "I'm doing +it because I think people deserve the facts, and no one's taking the +time to do it." + +end of part 23 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1067.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1067.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bf6eb7a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1067.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1067 + +PART 24 + + + DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE + _th Security Police Squadron + APO San Francisco 96239 + +SUBJECT: Response for request of Information in Relation to UFO Contact +and Other Related Information + +TO: Len Stringfield + + +1. In January of 1978, I was station at McGuire AFB, NJ.. One evening , +during the time frame of 0300hrs. and 0500hrs., there were a number +of UFO sightins in the area over the air field and Ft. DIX Army camp. +I am a security policeman and was on routine patrol at the time. N.J. +State Police, and Ft. Dix MP's were runnig code in the direction of +Brownsville N.J.. A state trooper then entered Gate #5 at the rear +of the base requesting assistance and permission to enter. I was +dispatched and the trooper wanted access to the runway area which +led to the very back of the air field and connected with a heavily +wooded area which is part of the Dix training area. He informed me +that a Ft. Dix MP was pursueing a low flying object which then hovered +over his car. He described it as oval shaped, with no details, and +glowing with a blueish green color. His radio transmission was cut +off. At that time in front of his police car, appeared a thing, about +4ft. tall, greyish brown, fat head, long arms, and slender body. The +MP panicked and fired five rounds from his .45 Cal into the thing, +and one round into the object above. The object then fled straight +up and joined with eleven others high in the sky. This we all saw +but didn't know the details at the time. Anyway, the thing ran into +the woods towards our fenceline and they wanted to look for it. By +this time several patrols were involved. + + +2. We found the body of the thing near the runway. It had apparently +climbed the fence and died while running. It was all of a sudden hush-hush +and no one was allowed near the area. We roped off the area and AF +OSI came out and took over. That was the last I saw of it. There was +a bad stench coming from it too. Like ammonia smelling but it wasn't +constent in the air. That day, a team from Wright-Patterson AFB came +in a C141 and went into the area. They crated it in a wooden box, +sprayed something over it, and then put it into a bigger metal container. +They loaded it in the plane and took off. That was it, nothing more +said, no report made and we were all told not to have anything to +say about it or we would be court martialed. + + +3. I will be getting out of the air force in about two months. Do +Not disclose my name as I could get into trouble. I am interested +in pursuing this and other matters if you need help. Forgive me for +not signing this but I can't take any chances. Please reply to the +above address and my parents will forward it to me or I will be home +already. Don't send it here because they monitor all mail closely +and I again don't want to take any chances. + +end of part 24 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1068.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1068.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e3e21bbf --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1068.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1068 + +PART 25 + +This file contains the; +(1) My reason for releasing this information to the public, +(2) My credentials, +(3) The validity of the information (% from sources, % from my own + knowledge, % from research), +(4) The existance of one other person to whom I gave the information + in 1972 in anticipation of one day needing to validate the information. + +(1) I have 2 reasons for releasing this information at this time. +(A) When I first saw the information I was sure that the government +would handle the situation and not allow the people to be abducted, +injured, or just disappear. My belief in the government has proven +false. Not only has it not been handled but the situation has deteriorated +and the incidents have increased worldwide. What has happened is +against the Constitution of the United States of America which I have +sworn to uphold and protect. What is happening is against every law +in every state. What is happening violates the human rights of every +citizen of the world. It could happen to any member or members of +my family or your family at any time. I am a loyal american and have +never divulged any of my countrys secrets and except for this one +I never will. I do not believe that revealing this secret is against +the law as the secret itself violates every law that has ever been +written. Senator Barry Goldwater was the Chairman of the Senate Commitee +which aproved funds for the CIA and has stated publicly that he has +no knowledge of any of this. That means and it is a fact that the +Congress is ignorant of what is going on. In fact I believe that +it is my duty to expose it as thoroughly and as quickly as possible. +I only regret that I have waited so long. I waited because I believed +so much in our system of government. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT +HAS BETRAYED ALL OF US. + +(B) In my efforts to get the information out it became obvious that +soon the government would discover what I am doing and my life would +be in danger. I believe that my life is now in danger and the only +way to protect myself is to go public with the information. I realize +that the information is hard to swallow and that many people will +not believe it. I also realize that I have exposed myself to ridicule. +So be it. If I am prosecuted or harmed in any way you all will know +that the information is correct. If I suddenly disappear you will +all know that the information is correct. + +(2) I am the son of an Air Force officer and was reared on Air Force +bases all over the world. My father was a pilot. As a child I repeatedly +overheard pilots and airmen discuss strange stories involving UFO's, +Foo Fighters, strange crashes of craft "not from here", and other +subjects that were exciting to me at the time. I graduated from High +School in Japan and shortly there-after joined the Air Force. I finished +basic at Lackland Air Force Base and was assigned to the Strategic +Air Command. I was an Aircraft and Missile Pneudraulic Technician. +During my training instructors would regale us with tales of lonely +nights spent on flight lines, alert pads, and missile silos. They +told of strange alien craft that would come down and paralyse the +men on station and then remove the warhead from the missile and disappear +at fantastic speed. I met a sargeant who told me that he was part +of a team that transported such a large crashed disk that it could +only be moved at night on back roads and fences and poles had to be +torn down and replaced as the convoy passed. I listened to all these +stories and wondered what was going on but didn't really believe them. +I was discharged from the Air Force in 1965. I was very adventurous +at the time and joined the navy in December of 1965. I volunteered +for submarines and was assigned to the USS Tiru (SS-416) at Pearl +Harbor, Hawaii. On a cruise to the Portland Seattle area, while on +lookout a UFO the size of an Aircraft carrier rose up out of the water +and disappeared into the clouds while we were on the surface and I +was the Port lookout. It descended back down into the water and rose +back up into the clouds again several times. It was witnessed by +myself, The Starboard lookout, The Officer of the deck, The Captain, +and the Chief Quartermaster who took pictures. We were told not to +discuss it with anyone ever. Upon docking at Pearl upon our return +a man in plain clothes came aboard and talked to each of us with only +the Captain present. He identified himself as an Intelligence Officer +(ONI) and asked me what I saw. I began to tell him and he yelled +at me to stop and then he again asked me what I saw. I told him that +I had not seen anything and he smiled at me and told me I was a very +good sailor. He told me that was the right answer and dismissed me. +I soon grew tired of the cramped quarters of a Submarine and +de-volunteered. The rest of my history is as follows. + +My primary military occupation is Quartermaster (Navigation) +My secondary NEC is 9545 (Internal Security) + +Uss Tombigbee (AOG-11) Pacific and Vietnam sea duty. + +Camp Carter, Vietnam Naval Security and Intelligence + Danang Harbor Patrol (gather + intelligence and secure the harbor) + and Cua Viet (DMZ) river patrol duty + (gather intelligence and secure the + river) + +USS Charles Berry DE-1035 Pacific sea duty + +CINCPACFLT STAFF Commander in Chief of the Pacific + Fleet Staff - OPSTAT reporting and + Naval Intelligence Briefing Team + Petty Officer of the Watch in the + Command Center + +USS Oriskany CVA-35 Pacific sea duty. + +Honorable Discharge December 1975 Rank E-6 + +end of part 25 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1069.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1069.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..70d3002f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1069.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1069 + +PART 26 + + +Since leaving the navy I have worked at several companies engaged +in work for the government or the intelligence community. Some of +this work involved training foreign military personnel. I have also +obtained a college degree in photography. This is a field I have +long been interested in. + +I am not now connected with the government or the intelligence community +except for friends that I have made over the years. Most recently +I have been involved in management of civilian training facilities. + +Admissions Representative +Airco technical Institute +Long Beach, California + +Admissions Representative +Adelphi Business College +Anaheim, California + +Executive Director +Adelphi Business College +Van Nuys, California + +Marketing Executive +United Education & Software +Encino, California + +Executive Director +Pacific Coast Technical Institute +Anaheim, California + +Executive Director +Currently The institute where I am presently employed is known to +3 of you and I do not wish it to be disclosed as the release of this +information could have adverse affects upon my employment. + + +(3) Approximatly 50% of this information comes from documents that +I saw with my own eyes and I personnaly know it to be true and absolutely +accurate. I saw and read GRUDG/ BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13. I saw and +read the MAJESTY document which contained the Aquarius information. +I was present at a briefing where much more information was discussed +and some of it has become cloudy over the years but has come back to +me when I saw information on that subject. About 50% of the information +comes from my sources who will remain un-named. About 60% of the +information is backed up by research and information available to +you all however the information is not generaly shared. It is out +there in various places and on various boards. Due to the potential +monetary value of the information I believe that it probably never +will be shared. + + +(4) In 1972 I related this information to one other person for self +protection and so that the information could be verified at some latter +date should the government not handle the situation. I gave him the +information on the eve of my wedding. The last person to person contact +I had with him was in 1974. The last contact of ANY kind was in 1976 +or 1977 by phone. I have not seen him, written to him, phoned him, +or had any contact with him at all since that time. I maintained +this distance to prevent any accusation of collusion or hoax should +it ever be neccessary to release the information. I also did it for +his protection so that he would not be involved if the government +should decide to harm me before the information could be released. +I gave him a copy of the information in the form of a copy of an original +document. I retained the other copy but mine was destroyed in a storage +fire. He can and will verify the information to the right person +with the right code (which we agreed upon) to release it. 3 of you +have his name, the last place he lived in 1976, and the code. I will +not contact him until the information is verified. He can validate +my intelligence background and the information. He can state all +of this truthfully and because of our seperation over the years will +be able to pass any lie detector test to prove this is not a hoax. +I would also be able to pass the same test or any other test, sodium +pentathol etc. + +I have also received a call from a man named Christopher who called +from an area code in Maryland. By his conversation with me on the +phone I know that he has also seen the MAJESTY information and the +AQUARIUS document. I also know that he is a member of Compuserve. +That is all I know about him. I left out a graphic on the reconstructed +document that I posted in my MAJIC file and he questioned the ommission. +It is a minor detail that I did not think important but he spotted +it. The only way he could have known that the graphic was missing +would be that he has seen it himself. The graphic was 2 lightning +bolts which strike at the bottom of the finned rocket which is enclosed +in the circle. Since I could not put graphics in the document I only +included a short description. + +I tested my father once by relating that I had seen information while +in the navy that the Government had recovered UFO's which had crashed. +I did this to guage his reaction because I knew that at one time when +I was very little he was the radar Officer at White Sands Proving +Ground. He gave me a very knowing look and advised me not to talk +about it. I have never discussed the matter with him since. + +COME FORWARD NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WHICH WILL +SUBSTANTIATE THIS INFORMATION. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE TO EXPOSE +THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION. IF I FAIL YOU ALL FAIL. + +Milton William Cooper (Bill) +end of part 26 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1070.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1070.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..abdc4a00 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1070.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1070 + +PART 27 + +I have just met with a man who has been able to substantiate +certain sections of my MAJIC.TXT. You will all find the +following text very interesting. In order to confirm his +knowledge I performed several tests which will you will spot +in the text. His revelations were not solicited, I merely +asked him to read the MAJIC.TXT and call me if he wished to +talk. I met him through friends. This is the text of two +meetings which I had with him. The first occurred when we +were introduced. The second occurred on Christmas Eve and +was the most revealing. + + +I attended a Christmas party given by a friend who I have +known for many years. During the evening my friend took me +aside and told me that a man was present that he thought I +should meet. My friend told me that because of the +information that I had recently released this man might be +able to give me information. I asked why he thought so? +My friend told me that the man had been in the Army for 21 +years and was assigned to DELTA SECURITY. I was immediately +interested and asked to be introduced. + +My friend introduced me to a tall, lean, fit man who was in +his late 60's. I was impressed with his physical fitness. +His hair was grey and he stood with the bearing of one who +had spent many years with the military. He was mentally +sharp and showed no effects of his age. + +After we had been introduced I told him that I too had spent +many years in military service, the Navy. I asked him where +he had been stationed. He replied that he had spent a lot of +time in Colorado, Mew Mexico, Nevada, and at Edwards Air +Force Base. I commented that I thought it strange that an +Army man would be stationed at Edwards. "Oh, he said, I was +with Delta Security and we had a lot to do with intra-service +projects." "We provided security for several services." I +then asked him if he had ever heard of Project REDLIGHT. His +eyes narrowed and he seemed uncomfortable. In fact he looked +around the room as if looking for somewhere else to go. "I +may have, he replied, but you know from your Navy days that I +can't discuss what I was involved with." I told him that in +a way I was involved with it also and then I told him that I +was with Naval Intelligence for a time. We exchanged small +talk but clearly he was uncomfortable since my mention of +REDLIGHT. I excused myself then found my friend again. I +asked my friend if he still had his copy of my MAJIC.TXT and +if he did would he get it for me. He left the room and then +came back and handed me the file. + +I waited until I saw that the Ex-Army man was leaving and +then went out to his car with him. I asked him if he would +look at something that I would draw. He said yes but really +had to leave. On the back of the MAJIC.TXT file I drew the +TRILATERAL insignia. I said nothing. He grabbed the file +and asked me where I had seen the insignia. I told him I had +seen it while with Naval Intelligence and asked him if he +knew what it was. "Yes, he said, it is on a piece of +equipment. Do you know what the equipment is?" I told him +that it makes no sound. "You know then what REDLIGHT really +is, he said." I replied that I did. I told him that the +papers he held was a file explaining the whole thing and that +I would like him to read it and then call me if he would be +willing to talk to me about his experiences. I told him that +I have never revealed sources and would never reveal him as +the source of the information. He looked me right in the eye +and said, "If you even tell anyone about this conversation I +will call you a liar right to your face." I told him that I +understood fully. I asked him how long he had known my +friend. He said he had known him for about 7 years. I told +him to ask our mutual friend about me so that he would feel +more comfortable about me. He took the file and left. + + + + +A few days later he called me and asked to meet me during the +day at a local park on Christmas Eve. We arranged the time +and met at a picnic table at the park. + +The first thing that he said was that he never wanted his +name connected with anything that I ever did or said and that +he never wanted to see me again after our meeting. I agreed +to those terms. He then gave me his telephone number and +asked me to call him if I ever thought that his identity had +been compromised in any way. I agreed to that also. + +I then asked him why he had agreed to talk to me about his +involvement. "For the same reason that you are talking about +it, he replied, the whole thing is very grim and it won't get +better." I asked him if he wanted me to ask questions or if +he would just like to narrate. He told me to ask questions +and when I pulled out my tape recorder he told me not to use +it because voice identification was possible. I knew that +this was possible and again consented to his terms. I asked +if I could take notes and he agreed to notes only. + +Bill----Where did you see the TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that I drew + for you at the party and that you saw in my file? + +Man-----On a flying saucer that I guarded at Edwards Air + Force Base. I saw it again on different saucers when + I was at Area 51 in Nevada....Your file is pretty + accurate as to what I know....I was surprised by the + extent of your knowledge. + +Bill----I saw some of the information and have other sources. + That file is the product of 17 years of searching. + In fact a lot of it came from doing what we are doing + now, just talking to people. Can you tell me how you + came to see the saucer at Edwards? + +Man-----I was assigned to guard a hanger at Edwards, at the + time I didn't know what was in it. + +Bill----What was the name of the hanger? + +Man-----The hanger had no number or name. We called it the + Delta hanger. + +Bill----Can you tell me where it is located? + +Man-----It is on the North Base. Its the only hanger off by + itself and no one is allowed near it without a + special badge and clearance. + +Bill----What does the badge look like? + +Man-----It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face + of it and personal information on the back....like + any other ID. + +end of part 27 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1071.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1071.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..51e0d941 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1071.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1071 + +PART 28 + +Bill----How did you see the saucer? + +Man-----The hanger is only entered through one door. Inside + the door is the guard room. On the other side of the + guard room is a door that goes into an office. On + the other side of the office is another door. We + were not allowed out of the guard room but one night + the duty officer asked me if I knew what I was + guarding. I said no that it was not my job to know. + He asked me if I would like to see. I thought he was + checking me out and told him it wasn't necessary. He + motioned for me to follow him and then took me + through the office and into the hanger. I saw the + saucer sitting on legs and it seemed to have jacks + under it also. + +Bill----Can you describe it for me? + +Man-----It was about 30 feet in diameter, metal but not + shiny. Like tarnished silver. + +Bill----How thick was it? + +Man-----About 15 to 18 feet thick.......It had the insignia + on the underside and again on the top. + +Bill----Did you see any openings? + +Man-----No but I only saw one side and it was only for about + 3 or 4 minutes. + +Bill----Was it round? + +Man-----Oh yes...just like the movies. + +Bill----Were there any windows? + +Man-----There was what looked to be windows around the raised + portion but I could not see inside. + +Bill----Were they round? + +Man-----No, they were rectangular....I also saw a groove + around the saucer about 4 feet from the edge all the + way around and it was on the top and bottom. There + was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or + louvres. + +Bill----What did the Officer say to you? + +Man-----Only that he did not show me anything and we went + back to the guard room then he left. + +Bill----Isn't that unusual? + +Man-----Everything I did or saw on Delta was unusual. I saw + people break down and cry for no reason at times. + When things like that occurred you would never see + that man again. + +Bill----What happened to them? + +Man-----I don't know and didn't ask. + +Bill----Lets deviate from this for awhile. Do you mind? + +Man-----No, I don't. + +Bill----How did you get into Delta security? + +Man-----I was recruited into the National Recon Organization + and went to Fort Carson Colorado. After a lot of + training I was screened for Delta and then assigned + to Delta. + +Bill----Why did they recruit you? + +Man-----I was told that it was because I was an orphan. If + something happens to someone connected to a secret + project and they have family, the family could + compromise the project in just trying to find out + what happened to their loved one. + +Bill----Is everyone in Delta orphans? + +Man-----Just about, either that or their family died or was + killed later in life. + +Bill----Didn't that bother you? I mean what could be so + secret that they have to use orphans? + +Man-----Some of the things I've seen......The stories... + especially concerning dreamland....Did you know there + are bounty hunters connected with dreamland? + +Bill----What do you mean? + +Man-----If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or pass and + are not back on time or if someone doesn't come back + they send bounty hunters after you.......Thats where + the visitors...you know what I mean... live....there + is an underground facility.......I don't think I + should say anymore.....Most of the time I was there I + can't even remember anyway.....We were supposed to + talk about Redlight. + +Bill----I don't remember agreeing to talk only about + Redlight....Is this a new condition? + +Man-----Yes, I don't want to talk about anything else........ + I will tell you that very strange things happen at + Dreamland. + +Bill----What do you mean when you say you can't remember? + +Man-----I can't remember....I really don't want to talk about + Dreamland.....I won't talk about it. + +Bill----Please don't tantalize me. Either talk about it or + don't but don't do this to me. What else can you say + about Dreamland? Can you tell me where it is? + +Man-----No, I can't talk about it. This is all very + dangerous and I am married now.....I just can't take + a chance. + +end of part 28 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1072.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1072.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..15631155 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1072.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1072 + +PART 29 + +Bill----Ok, tell me about Area 51. + +Man-----Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. Its the + headquarters of Redlight.......The saucers are flown + there. Its part of the test range...Its on the map.. + its just a dry lake bed with a Top Secret + installation built on and around it. + +Bill----Have you seen one fly? + +Man-----Yes, they are incredibly fast and make no noise at + all. + +Bill----Is the one at Area 51 the same as the one at Edwards? + +Man-----One was the same....the other one I saw looks like a + diamond.......like in a womans engagement ring.....if + you take the diamond out of a ring and turn it upside + down......thats what it looks like. + +Bill----You mean literally like a diamond? + +Man-----No, but the shape is the same.....it really + glows....but only when it flys. On the ground it is + the same metal as the saucer at Edwards....when it + flys it glows like the sun and sometimes changes + colors. + +Bill----How close were you when you saw it? + +Man-----Not close...no one was allowed to get close.... + I think it emmitted radiation because we were all + required to wear dosimeters and they had to be + checked daily. + +Bill----You mean it was atomic powered? + +Man-----I don't know.....I only know there was a definate + radiation hazard and our dosimeters were checked + daily. We turned them in to be checked and were + issued new ones every day. + +Bill----How long did you stay at Area 51? + +Man-----The first time was for 3 months....Nobody ever stayed + more than a few months. The second time I was there + was for almost 5 months.....its like wartime there + were no passes while at Area 51....we had excellent + recreation facilitys though. + +Bill----I hate to press you but I would like to know more + about Dreamland. My information seems to conflict + with yours. I have information that the Alien base + is in New Mexico, is that where Dreamland is? + +Man-----There is more than one base and I have to go now.... + I should not be talking to you about anything at all. + Its all too dangerous....even more than you + think.....I don't know everything but I know that its + way out of control and to tell you the truth I'm + afraid of what is going to happen.....Don't ask me + what because I don't know but........I know something + is going to happen.......Giant underground shelters + are being built under Groom Lake.....and in other + places. From reading your papers you know more about + a lot of this than I do.....I really do have to go + now....Its Christmas Eve and I live a ways off. + +Bill----Before you go would you look over these notes and + make sure they're right? + +Man-----I watched you write and its right. What are you + going to do with those notes? + +Bill----I'll make a file and release this in the form of an + interview without identifying you. + +Man-----If you do I'll call you a liar. + +Bill----I won't identify you and just so you will feel better + I have never identified any of my sources. If you + ever want to talk again you have my phone number. + +Man-----I don't think so....you had better be real careful... + I mean about yourself....I really wouldn't give + anyone else those notes....You should think about it. + +Bill----What do you think will happen? + +Man-----The same thing that has happened to ......some others + .......you should just drop it.....you....nobody can + do anything. + + +The rest was just parting conversation. He seemed to be very +sincere and very worried about what he was telling and +worried about my safety as well as his own. + +This is the second person who has described a saucer at +Edwards, the same security badge, and reference to Dreamland +keeps coming up with these people. This is the first time I +have heard that there is more than one alien base and it is +the first time I have heard of bounty hunters. I think the +reference to a radiation hazard and the use of dosemeters is +also significant in view of the incident in Texas involving +the two women. John Lear told me that Dreamland was at +Edwards. Personally I do not know the location. Just the +name "DREAMLAND" is so far away from the normal military +trend of naming projects and places that it provokes +questions. I would like to point out that at one point my +sources told me the alien base was at Dreamland then they +told me it wasn't true and backed away from it. The name +keeps cropping up in connection with the alien base. +Reference to loss of memory is also common with abductees. I +found this interview to be personally disturbing. + +Where possible I wrote down the questions and answers and +those are written exactly as asked and as answered. At some +points the conversation is reconstructed from my notes but +was done as soon as I arrived home and I am certain that it +is accurate. Having just met this man I have no clue as to +his motives or to the accuracy of the information. However I +do believe he was sincere and the range of emotions he +expressed would have been difficult for even a very good +professional actor. + +(NOTE! A "dosemeter" is (or was when I was in service) a +piece of film in a small badge that is worn by personnel when +working in areas where they may be exposed to radiation. +If the film is hit by a dose of radiation it is exposed. The +amount of film exposure determines the exact dose of +radiation. When I was in the Strategic Air Command I had to +wear one because the alert pad aircraft carried nuclear +weapons. Our dosemeters were checked weekly. If the +dosemeter indicated that you had been exposed to radiation +then you had to go through a decontamination procedure. +During my time in service my dosemeter never indicated any +exposure to radiation. This explanation is offered for those +of you who may not have known what a dosemeter is.) + +end of part 29 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1073.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1073.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b114185d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1073.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1073 + +PART 30 + + * + \ * / + \ * / + \ * / + \ * / + \ * / + \*/ + O * O + /*\ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + /_________*_________\ + + + +This is another TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that appeared in the +MAJESTY papers. It is worn on the alien uniforms (like one +piece tight coveralls). It is also displayed on various +alien craft. The astericks down the middle should be a +straight line but I was unable to do that on my computer. +The O's are really small circles but could not do that on my +computer either. The triangle should be equilatral but again +I could not do that on my computer. I do not know what +this means. It has also been seen from the air at some +landing sites. + + + \ / + \ / + \ / + \ / + \ / + \ / + * + /*\ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + / * \ + +This insignia is used to mark landing sites and bases it is +layed out so as to be seen from the air above the site. The +same notes apply to this insignia. I do not know what it +means. + +end of part 30 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1074.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1074.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8b4f716a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1074.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +SUBJECT: SPACE ALIENS CURE FOUR CANCER KIDS + +FILE: UFO1074 + + +BY ANN VICTORIA for the WWN + + +Andorra, Spain - Space aliens are appearing in the hospital rooms for dying children, gently touching their foreheads - and healing them of terminal cancer! + +That's the incredible report from 14 highly respected doctors and staff members at Pyrenees Hospital de Los Ninos who have seen the four-foot extraterrestrials work their magic on four terminally ill youngsters in the course of a month. + +"I couldn't believe my eyes," said night nurse Lupe Montoya, who was working on the oncology wing of the noted children's hospital during the aliens' first visit. + +"I was filling out reports when I looked up and saw two small creatures moving toward me down the corridor. At first I thought two of the kids were out of their beds so I got up to take them back to their rooms. + +"But when I approached them, I saw they weren't human. They were a brownish color with big heads and large almond-shaped eyes. They were like nothing found on this planet. + +"I was afraid because they looked so weird. But at the same time I sensed a kind, loving intelligence in those strange eyes." + +Nurse Montoya says the creatures went into the room of 7-year-old Juan Lopez, who was expected to die of leukemia within a week. She alerted security guards and called for Dr. Tomas Ruiz who was on the ward caring for another patient. + +"When we walked into little Juan's room it was bathed in a bright golden light," says Dr. Ruiz. "The aliens were standing by his bedside. There seemed to be a mystical bond between them and the boy. + +"One of the beings gently touched Juan's forehead with its long finger and he was instantly surrounded by a glowing aura." + +"When the aliens left the hospital, doctors X-rayed and examined Juan. +He was completely free of cancer." + +Since that evening, Maria Munoz, 9, Anita Pena, 8, and Hector Gomez, 9 - all of them diagnosed as terminal - have also been cured by the space creatures. And 14 staff members have seen the beings perform the miracles. + +"There's a pattern to these visits, says Dr. Ruiz. "They always occur around 1 a.m., the aliens always come in pairs and they always heal with a touch to the forehead." + +Dr. Dego Garcia, famed metaphysician who's been researching space alien sightings for 30 years, says the Pyrenees Mountains have long been known for lots of UFO activity. + +"We've always believed that when aliens finally reveal themselves to Earth it will be in this area. + +"Maybe they've begun to introduce themselves with this astounding goodwill gesture." + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1075.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1075.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9127de73 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1075.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +SUBJECT: SPACE ALIEN DOLL FOUND AT UFO SITE ! FILE: UFO1075 + + +BY STAN COPENS for WWN + + +The discovery of a space alien doll at a UFO landing site stunned scientists, +whose investigations have revealed the doll: + + 1. Is made of a mysterious, unearthly metal. + 2. Maintains a constant temperature of 125 degrees Fahrenheit. + 3. Has an extra eye and no mouth. + 4. Appears to be wearing a space suit. + 5. Has circular appendages at the ends of its legs. + 6. Makes the sound "nu-lee, nu-lee" when it 's turned over. + 7. Honks and snorts when it s face is rubbed. + 8. Weighs 300 pounds. + +There is no doubt that this amazing doll's origins are extraterrestrial, said +physicist Milchael Dillion, who has studied the space toy since it was found +in Kenya in 1990. It's also probable that the creatures who left it here made +it in their own image, which means we now know what they look like. Because of +this doll, our knowledge of aliens has increased dramatically. + +After three schoolchildren found the strange doll near their home west of Nai- +robi, police were alerted and they called in Dr. Dillon, who took the doll to +his laboratory for testing. + +There were traces of radioactivity on the doll and at the site where it was +found, indicating that it came from a spaceship fueled by nuclear power, Dr. +dillon said. And last month we identified the metal the doll is made of - an +extremely heavy alloy made of substances found in comets and moon rocks. + +We are now planning to take it apart, so we can see the manufacturing techni- +ques used by people on other planets. We have much to learn from this toy. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1076.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1076.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..223fbbc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1076.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +SUBJECT: Milwaukee UFO spoils fishing. FILE: UFO1076 + + +08-10-89 OSHKOSH, Wis. Karen Sazama saw something strange during a +fishing trip Thursday, and it wasn't on the end of her fishing hook. + +At 3:30 a.m. on waters near Omro, the Milwaukee woman saw what she +belives was an unidentified flying object. Sazama said she told her +fishing companion, Gary Michael Frye, that something funny was going +on after the pair saw a light in the sky. "It was a glowing light, +an orangish-reddish light," said Sazama, who was fishing with Frye +in a boat. "I really got scared out there. I was looking for a place +to hide in the boat." Sazama said the light stayed in the sky from +20 to 25 minutes before it disappeared. + +The pair were fishing on the Fox River and Lake Butte des Morts. "The +fish weren't even biting," Sazama said. "We got nothing for fish, not +even a bite. I told Mike `I think the lights had something to do with +it."' Frye said the couple rented a boat from George's Bait Shop near +Omro at 7 p.m. Wednesday for a night of fishing. Frye said he's sure +the light was a UFO. "Yes, I would say it was a UFO. It was something +I had never saw before. I do believe in UFOs," Frye said. "(The light) +was bigger than a star. It was falling, but not very fast." The couple +reported their sighting to the Winnebago County Sheriff's Department +at about 8 a.m. Thursday. + +George Wilz, owner of George's Bait Shop, said this's the first time +anyone ever reported an unusual sighting to him. "I know (Sazama) +was all shook up," Wilz said. "To me it's kind of serious." But did +the lights scare off the pair for good? "I don't think this will prevent +us from coming back again," Sazama said. "I just hope we don't see +anymore lights like that again." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1077.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1077.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..21d5f287 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1077.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abdutee? FILE: UFO1077 + +PART 1 + + + Three weeks ago I went camping with my best friend, the special +type of friend to whom you can tell anything, no matter how incredible +it may sound. I had planned the weekend carefully; we spent two nights +nestled in the heart of an old-growth redwood forest at an environmental +campsite, far removed from the distractions of our ordinary lives +and of other noisy campers. + +Within the secluded comfort of our wilderness setting, I proceeded +to tell her exactly what was on my mind: "I think that I may have +been abducted by extraterrestrials!" After regaining her composure +over the initial shock, she listened as I recounted, in depth, the +numerous events which led me to consider such a preposterous idea. +I tried to illuminate my experiences by drawing parallels to recent +books which had been written on the subject, since my friend was +totally ignorant in the matter. The campfire near its end, my body +growing tired after hours of discussion, she left me with one basic +thought when I had finished my tale: "Books by people like Whitley +Streiber and Bud Hopkins sell so well because people empathize with +the main character. + +They are people who desperately want to believe that they too have +been a part of the experience, and have touched the unknowable." +My friend obviously felt that I was deluding myself. It is true +that I have had a life-long interest in the subject of UFOs. I have +read a vast number of books written on the subject over the past +ten years. The first UFO book I'd ever read was in the eighth grade, +one about George Adamski. Even earlier, in 1969, I was preoccupied +with drawing pictures of "aliens" during the art period in first grade. + +Stretching back to the earliest limits of my memory, I can recall +when, in 1964 or '65 at the age of 3, I ran screaming from the room +in terror as I watched an "alien" on an episode of The Munsters. +Of interest is that I had never been the least bit scared of any +of the regular Munster characters, but the sight of an extraterrestrial +absolutely horrified me. + +My life has been dotted with minor strange anomalies, all of which +I have filed away as "unsolved mysteries", and forgotten. I usually +deal with problems that way. When any conflict occurs in my life, +I tend to ignore it first, hoping that whatever it is will blow over, +so I can forget it. If the first step fails, I usually try to find +a book or two on the subject which might help me. When a book doesn't +provide me with the necessary tools, I usually discuss that problem +with a friend. It would seem like I have such a problem now, and +I am discussing it with you. Something has been eating away at +me for the past six months or so, and I'm not sure exactly what it +is. In one semester, my grade point average has dropped from an +outstanding 3.56 over the past 76.5 semester units in college, to +a rock bottom 0.00 for the 1990 Spring semester; I failed every class! +Also, I have taken to drinking far more often than I should. I have +this fantasy that if I've had a few glasses of wine before I go to +bed, then I'll be useless to the nocturnal visitors, and they will +not bother me. That might seem to be the case, because I have never +had an unusual nocturnal experience after drinking. (Of course I +realize that there are probably people in New York who are convinced +that crossing their fingers will keep wild lions away! In other +words, my statement is an illogical syllogism, in which the premises +do not warrant the conclusion.) Additionally, my sleeping pattern +has changed drastically. Over the past six months or so, I have +avoided sleeping each night until I was utterly exhausted. Currently, +I am staying up until about 5:00 am, and sleeping until 1 pm. Although +I desperately need the extra income from a Summer job, I have avoided +getting one because I knew it would mean going back to a normal sleeping +schedule. + +I put to you the following dilemma: Has my life-long interest in +UFOs finally caused me to go off the deep end, whereby I have deluded +myself into believing that I may have had numerous abduction experiences? +Or, have I truly been subject to numerous abductions throughout my +life, and my way of dealing with it has been to investigate the phenomena? +At this point in time, I would consider either hypothesis equally, +but I desperately want to know which is the cause, and which is the +effect! In the following paragraphs I will relate my experiences +as accurately and as unbiased as I am able. It is my hope that someone +reading this will provide me with further insights, or that this +document will spark further investigation, so that I can finally +know the ultimate truth behind it all, not only for my own peace-of-mind, +but for others who may be in a similar situation. +End of Part 1 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1078.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1078.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fd159f2b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1078.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1078 + +PART 2 + + On April 3, 1990 I decided to call on an old friend who I hadn't +heard from in over two years. My friend, Carolina, is a gifted psychic, +and a well-kept secret. Santa Rosa has its share of palm-readers +and fortune tellers, but Carolina is in an entirely different league. +A deeply spiritual person, Carolina has never sought recognition, +publicity, or a reputation for her abilities, nor has she ever taken +any money from me for her services. I'm not exactly sure why I felt +compelled to see her that day; I had nothing in particular on my +mind. It was a pleasant reunion. We chatted for some time, and then +Carolina decided to see if there was anything "out there" that she +could "pick up" for me. She proceeded to give me a reading lasting +nearly an hour. It must have been an exceptionally good day for her, +because there was a lot "out there" and it was amazingly accurate. +Among other things, she told me that I had a blood disorder, and +that she kept seeing "too much red"; she sensed that I would be quitting +smoking soon, and informed me that I would be successful; she told +me that my mother was about to fall ill; she told me my father might +loose a toe due to gangrene; and most amazingly, with a surprized +and quizzical look on her face, she asked me "Have you recently had +contact with extraterrestrials?" Up to that point, everything +she told me had been phrased as a statement, but this was apparently +so preposterous that even she doubted it, and phrased it as a question +instead. + +I was completely taken aback by her query- I hadn't thought about +aliens or UFOs in years. Carolina had absolutely no idea that it +had been a former interest of mine. For a moment time seemed to stand +still- on the inside, I thought that she was entirely off-base, and +I was ready to tell her so, but my body seemed to have a mind of +its own as I watched myself mumble, "I don't know." I still wonder +why I said that, because it truly betrayed what I was feeling at +the moment. She immediately answered back by saying, "I think you +do know, because I'm seeing this very clearly now." + + At that statement, I felt the flush of anger course through my +body. I felt like a man who had just been told he was about to die, +and given the exact date. I blurted out, "I don't think you're supposed +to be telling me this! If you saw that I was going to be killed +next week, would you tell me that too?" Carolina smiled and said, +"They only show me what I can tell a person. If you're not meant +to know, my guides don't show me." My stomach tight and my heart +racing, I replied, "But don't you think this is a little too scary?" +Again smiling, she said, "Oh, it's only scary in a fun kind of way." +For a moment I thought she was being sarcastic. "How could she be +so insensitive to my anxiety?", I thought. I felt the anger well +up from within me again. "Fun!, + +What the hell is so fun about being poked and prodded and violated +by hideously ugly creatures in the middle of the night!", I thought +to myself. And then something snapped. I thought to myself, "What +in God's name am I thinking about? Why has such an innocent statement +from Carolina caused such fear and anger within me? What is this +about being poked, prodded, and violated? Where did I get that from? +Carolina never said anything about that!" And then I realized that +my outward appearance was betraying my inner anxiety. + +True to my English blood, I appeared quite calm and collected to +Carolina, even though my mind and heart were racing. She apparently +didn't realize the implications and consequences of her revelation +to me. "This is a first for me," she said, "In all my years, I have +never picked up anything about extraterrestrials from a person." +"Surely you have at least read a book or two on the subject", I replied. +"No, I never have," she said, "It's never interested me in the least. +There are too many problems down here to be worried about what might +or might not be going on up there." +End of Part 2 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1079.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1079.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e8c76925 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1079.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1079 + +PART 3 + +I was amazed. Like a curtain being lifted in my memory, I suddenly +remembered a night about two weeks prior during which an unusual +occurrence had happened. It surprized me that I hadn't made the +connection sooner. I was sure this was what she was referring to! +(to be discussed in full later) Carolina continued her reading, +and didn't dwell on the subject of aliens, as if they were relatively +unimportant. Twice more during that hour, she made reference to them, +although she had no idea she was doing so. She said she had the +image of an insect with large eyes, but that it was symbolic, and +I would know what it meant. (I am sure this is symbolic for an alien.) +Later, she made reference to "burrowing", but couldn't get anything +further. (My gut feeling was that this is connected to them also, +but I'm not sure why or how.) + +The following week I thought a lot about my visit with Carolina as +I watched her short term predictions come true one by one. Although +she had no way of knowing that I was planning on quitting smoking, +almost a month prior I had consented to participate in a clinical +study at Stanford Medical Center for the approval of a new drug by +the FDA. It was a double-blind, placebo vs. real study to test the +efficacy of the transdermal nicotine patch as a therapy for smoking +cessation. Requisite to participating in the study, I had a complete +physical during my first visit on March 28. On April 5, I returned +to pick up my supply of nicotine patches, but I was shocked to learn +that I had failed the blood test! Although I was not disqualified +from the study, Dr. Sachs informed me that I had a condition known +as "polycythemia", and advised me to see a hematologist. Polycythemia, +the exact opposite of anaemia, is the condition of having too many +red blood cells. Although smokers almost always have slightly elevated +hemoglobin and red cell counts, mine was far too high to be explained +by such. The doctor explained that it can be caused by spleen dysfunction, +but, that didn't appear to be my case, as indicated from the other +test results of my physical. He told me that having too many oxygen- +carrying red blood cells is usually the result of prolonged exposure +to thin atmosphere, and that athletes sometimes take illegal drugs +to achieve such an effect in order to increase their endurance in +high altitudes (such as in the marathon up Pike's Peak every year.) +Further, he informed me that my ruddy complexion was most likely +due to the blood disease. + +I was shocked! Not only was Carolina correct, but I seriously began +to wonder if this had anything to do with possible alien contact, +and "thin atmosphere." For almost a year, friends had asking me +if I had a sunburn, but I always dismissed it. + +On Friday, April 6, I quit smoking. Later that day my father called +me from Indiana to inform me that my mother had taken ill, and was +in the hospital. She had a flare-up of her mitral valve heart condition, +a bladder infection, and an extreme case of shingles. During our +conversation, my father told me that he wasn't doing so well himself; +he has diabetes, and his big toe had turned completely black! +"OhmyGodOhmyGodOhmyGod...", my mind was reeling, "how could Carolina +be so correct about everything!", I thought to myself, "If she has +been right about everything so far, what am I to think about her +claim that I have been in contact with extraterrestrials?" As +I have mentioned earlier in this paper, during my visit with Carolina +I suddenly remembered a night, sometime in March, where there had +been an unusual occurrence. +End of Part 3 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1080.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1080.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..72dca364 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1080.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1080 + +PART 4 + +I can't recall exactly what day it was, but Jim, my lover and companion +of ten years, confronted me as soon as he had awoken, "You haven't +gone out this morning for anything, have you?" "No, honey," Ireplied, +still dressed in my nightshirt and sitting at the computer, "does +it look like it?" "Well the door is unlocked," he informed me. +I got up immediately, and Jim demonstrated that both the dead bolt +and the doorknob latch were undone. I thought about the matter for +a few moments and said "Are you sure you didn't open it when you +got up? I remember double checking it before I went to bed, and +it was already locked." Jim replied, "I remember checking it before +I went to bed also, and it was locked then too." After a few moments +he added, "It's possible that I may have unlocked the dead bolt without +thinking, but that wouldn't explain why the doorknob latch is undone." +(The door handle has to be turned to open the door from the inside +before the doorknob latch is undone, and we never open the front +door in the morning until we're ready to go out, since we do not +subscribe to any newspapers. If for some reason we want to check +on the weather, we always open the sliding balcony door. Neither +Jim or I would think of opening the front door while still in our +nightclothes.) The matter was out of my mind within a few minutes, +but Jim was not about to let the subject drop. He made me call the +manager that afternoon to ask if they or any maintenance people had +been in our apartment without our consent. The manager assured me +that they had not, and said that they would always consult us before +such an intrusion. + +Jim became obsessed with the matter, and forced me to recreate every +step I had taken the night before. After all the thinking he made +me do, I just became more sure that I had checked the lock at night, +and certainly had not opened it in the morning. Before going to +bed the next night, Jim stacked two spare stereo speakers up against +the front door, so that if someone were to open it, they would come +tumbling down and alert him. Jim is a very light sleeper; he had +served in the armed forces during the Vietnam War, and his father +was a policeman, which may help to explain why the thought of someone +breaking into our apartment bothered him so much. I also noticed +that he made sure the baseball bat was within reach of the bed that +night. + +The following morning, I awoke first. I stumbled out of bed and +headed for the computer, my morning ritual. Along the way to the +den, I noticed that the stereo speakers Jim had so carefully set +out the night before were strewn across the floor. I guess the seriousness +of the situation didn't hit me at first. It took me a few minutes +before I decided to go back into the front room and check the lock. +One would think that I should have been alarmed at the prospect of +someone breaking in, but honestly, my thoughts were only about how +alarmed Jim was going to be when he discovered the situation. I +checked the door, and it was locked. I told myself that the speakers +had somehow accidentally fallen over in the night, and I stacked +them back up again, hoping that I could conceal it from Jim. + + I returned to the computer, but couldn't concentrate on what I +was doing; my conscience was bothering me. Jim and I have an extremely +open and honest relationship, much more so than any married couple +I've ever met. I went back out and put the speakers as I had found +them, deciding to let him know the truth. I'm not sure what Jim +really thought. He found it hard to accept that the speakers had +fallen over without his hearing them. Further, he questioned why +the door was locked from the inside, and yet the speakers had been +knocked over. He thought my behavior was particularly odd, in that +I had initially tried to conceal the fallen speakers, but then put +them back as I had found them. At any rate, we never discussed the +subject again, and I was glad! I just wanted to forget about the +whole thing. Every night for several weeks, Jim jammed the plastic +runner up against the front door, but nothing else unusual happened. +End of Part 4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1081.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1081.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fd564c11 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1081.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1081 + +PART 5 + +Sometime later that week, I developed a somewhat painful subcutaneous +pimple in my pubic hair region. I didn't think much about it at +the time, except that I had never had a pimple in that area before, +nor one as deep below the skin and as painful. I forgot all about +this until just recently, on July 19, when I developed another pimple +in the same area, just after another unusual nocturnal experience. +It took me some time before I could accurately place a time-frame +on the occurrence of my first pimple. + +April 11, I flew out to Chicago to visit my mother in the hospital, +and forced my father to have his bad toe looked at. Sometime while +I was away, Jim stopped protecting the door every night and eventually +forgot about it. I returned home April 18, just in time to greet +our house-guest from Los Angeles, our good friend, Dave. During +his visit with us, I took Dave aside and told him of the strange +events in March, and of what Carolina had said. I convinced him +to try and hypnotize me, so that I might be able to recall the events +more clearly. It took a great deal of persuasion to talk him into +it, since he said that he had no experience at hypnosis, and was +not eager to try. Nevertheless, he eventually gave in, but we had +mixed results at the effort. Nothing of interest really occurred, +except that the following morning I felt really negative about the +whole thing and destroyed the tape-recorded transcript of my hypnosis +session. I didn't remember what I had said, and at that point, I +didn't want to either. I never admitted to Dave what had happened +to the tape. Before he left for Los Angeles, Dave warned me that +anything I might try to find out about my possible abduction experience +would most likely be contaminated by all the books I've read. + +Life went on more-or-less as usual for the next several months. I +resumed smoking again, my performance at school dropped sharply, +and I started drinking before going to bed. When Summer came, I +avoided getting a job, and stayed up later and later every night. +I tried to put the subject of UFOs out of my mind, but only with +marginal success. My attitude on the subject fluctuated from wishing +that I could forget it all, to openly inviting another experience. +Twice I purposefully went camping in extremely remote areas, hoping +that I could induce an abduction. Needless to say, my effort was +futile (at least as far as I can remember.) If aliens were abducting +me, then they had their own schedule, and my invitation didn't matter +one bit. + +Then on July 17, it happened again. I had been plagued by an uneasy +feeling all evening. I thought about having a glass of wine, but +Jim coaxed me into bed early that night (around 2 am), telling me +we needed to get up by a decent hour the next day. I am normally +a very heavy sleeper, and I fall asleep quickly, but that night was +to be an exception. I laid in bed, tossing and turning for what seemed +like hours, never truly falling asleep. I can recall listening to +the slow, deep rhythm of Jim's breathing pattern, and being surprised +that my restlessness wasn't disturbing him. The last thing I remember +is the sensation of my heart pounding rapidly as I was overcome with +extreme fear. And then suddenly, it was light out! A thought entered +my head, but before I could think further, "Rap Rap Rap", three loud +bangs resounded throughout the apartment, causing me to fear that +we were in the midst of another earthquake. I looked at the clock, +and was shocked to discover that it was already after 6 am. Whatever +that first thought was, it was completely lost in the immediate confusion. +I became aware that my bladder was painfully full, and gently got +up so as to not awaken Jim, who was still sleeping soundly beside +me. When I returned to bed, Jim asked me what I was doing up already. +Apparently, as silent as I had been, my movement had awoken him, +even though the three loud bangs had not. Further, I questioned +why my earlier restlessness had not disturbed his sleep, but this +had. + +I haven't had to get up to empty my bladder in the middle of the +night since childhood, and I began to wonder why it was so extremely +full, especially considering that I hadn't had anything to drink +the night before. I was sure that I had never actually fallen asleep, +but yet I seemed to "wake up", with the sun already shining. I put +on my night-mask to block out the daylight, and returned to bed. +And then I remembered something... With the clarity equal to any +image seen through my own eyes, I beheld the likeness of an alien. +In my mind's eye, I held that vision and examined it. As I inspected +the roundness of his hairless cranium, I became amazed at how real +and three-dimensional the image looked, much more than any photograph +could ever approach. I observed the color of his skin, and was quite +surprized to learn that my previous conceptions were all wrong. +My earlier ideas of what an alien should look like were based upon +the dust jacket of Whitley Strieber's book, Communion, and on the +TV movie about The Interrupted Journey. His skin was a creamy grey, +much less grey than I had previously imagined. There was a tinge +of green, but as subtle as the green in a black person's complexion. +I thought to myself that an unsophisticated eye might not even pick +up on the green. Overall, I would describe his complexion as simply +pale. Only if I wished to emphasize its unusual nature, would I +use the word "grey." +End of Part 5 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1082.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1082.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..67a80b6f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1082.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1082 + +PART 6 + +Then I focussed upon his eyes. In the past, we had two pet cockatoos, +a Moluccan and a Sulpher-crested, both of which had eyes as black +as coal. It is said that the birds can be sexed by examining their +eyes for the subtle hint of brown, and I thought of the many times +I had stared intently into the birds' eyes. It was like a feeling +of deja' vu, for I was sure that within the alien's eyes, I could +pick up some extremely subtle gradations of color. Furthermore, +these ever-so-sublte variations in the color seemed to indicate not +just one circular iris within each eye, but perhaps two or more, +although I somehow "knew" that their eyes were more than just visual +organs, and the non-primary circular markings were not really a visual +iris. (...that they had only one real visual iris within each eye) +Additionally, it struck me at how the eyes were far less almond-shaped +and less wrap-around than I had thought before. It made me think +that the illustration of an alien on Communion was analogous to the +Kroft puppeteer's version of Ronald Reagan: a highly stylized caricature. + +Then the image came to life! The thought was somehow conveyed to +me that he was acknowledging the presence of orthodontic braces on +my teeth. In a manner analogous to "I've seen yours, so now I'll +show you mine," he proceeded to open up his little round mouth and +let me look in. When his nearly lip-less mouth was shut, it seemed +to call no attention to itself, but when opened, I noticed that he, +like us, had muscles beneath the skin. The effect of seeing the +tightened muscles beneath his skin made me think that he was capable +of expression, in an otherwise expressionless face. Within the mouth, +I observed a semicircular ridge of hardened tissue, which he called +his "primary mastication NOUN." + + It seemed like he was using telepathy to communicate, and my mind +was responsible for translations into the English language. The +"NOUN" carried a meaning like "organ", "appendage", or "device," +but the exact word to convey the true meaning is not within my vocabulary, +and it's making me very frustrated as I write this. I somehow seemed +to "know" that they eat very soft foods, like being a vegetarian +in England. The hardened ridge of tissue was unsegmented, unlike +ordinary human teeth. With that, the image faded from my mind. +What has taken me two long paragraphs to write happened in only a +few seconds of time. The image was definitely a memory, and not something +that was happening at that moment. Whether the memory is of a dream +or reality, I will probably never know. + +After recalling the unusual experience above, the feeling of contentedness +overwhelmed me. My bladder now empty and Jim's warm body next to +mine, I immediately fell soundly asleep. I didn't wake up until +after 11 am the following morning, and was relieved that I had finally +(post 6 am) been able to get a normal night's sleep. Fully cognizant +of the aforementioned experience, I immediately proceeded to the +computer and wrote everything down. While sitting at the keyboard +and unconsciously scratching at my dandruff patch, I became aware +that my dandruff was severely aggravated, and I had a painful welt +next to it! + +For about a year, more-or-less coinciding with people telling me +that I had a sunburn (polycythemia), I have had a localized patch +of dandruff at the base of my skull. More specifically, if you run +your finger up along the cervical vertebrae, you will reach a slight +concavity between two muscles at the point where the neck meets the +head, in the occipital region of the cranium. It is in that spot +that I have my dandruff patch. I use the word "dandruff", for lack +of something better, because it is most likely some other skin disorder, +since I have an otherwise oily scalp . I have tried every name-brand +dandruff shampoo, and nothing seems to help, but fortunately, it +hasn't spread beyond that highly localized area. On this day, July 18, +and for several days afterward, the patch seemed to be draining some +sort of fluid from the painful welt which was just above and to the +left of my patch. As of this writing, (August 7), that welt has +not entirely subsided. On July 19, the following day, I developed +another painful welt on the right side of the dandruff patch, almost +a mirror image. Coinciding again with the development of my +dandruff patch and my polycythemia, for about a year I have been +plagued by excessive perspiration. For no apparent reason, I would +sweat from my armpits in phenomenal amounts. +End of Part 6 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1083.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1083.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d1965a37 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1083.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +SUBJECT: Am I an Abductee? FILE: UFO1083 + +PART 7 + + Neither nervousness, heat, nor physical exertion seemed to be responsible. +All of my good shirts are permanently stained. When my armpits were +on a roll, the sweat would pour forth at a rate roughly equal to +that achieved by crying; perhaps between 4 to 8 ounces in a half hour. +This had been an embarrassing situation for me for quite some time, +and when I mentioned it to Carolina during my visit with her, she +told me that I should drink the juice of a whole lemon in warm water +every day. I tried that a few times without noticeable success, so +I gave up. I had also invested a small fortune in a vast array of +brand-name antiperspirants, but to no avail. Now suddenly, on July 18, +the perspiration stopped, however I didn't realize as such until July 19. +Whether this is psychosomatic or real, I will be eternally grateful +that my sweating ordeal is finally over! Thank you!!! + +On July 19, I developed a rather painful pimple, deep below the skin +in my pubic hair region. It struck me as really strange that I should +develop another one in that same general area, so shortly after my +first. Prior to the first, which I placed at a few months earlier, +I had never had anything like that. My skin in that area is nothing +like the skin on my forehead or upper back, which tends to be more +oily. Furthermore, this was not an ordinary pimple; it was very +deep and painful. For most of the rest of the day, I tried to place +a time-frame on the occurrence of the first pimple. Eventually, I +came to the conclusion that it had happened sometime in mid to late +March, using my journal and computer calendar as a reference. I +found this as somewhat noteworthy, since that coincided with my first +unusual nocturnal experience. + +Sometime during the next few days, the Goodyear Blimp flew over. +I was sitting at the computer when Jim called me into the front room, +bringing it to my attention. I would say that the event was slightly +unusual, because I've never seen the blimp this far removed from +a major metropolitan area; we're about 50 miles north of San Francisco. +It was travelling from the Southeast to the Northwest, heading directly +toward us at a leisurely pace. I ran and grabbed the camcorder and +recorded it as the blimp proceeded to fly directly over us. We could +clearly hear the whirring of its engines as it passed our exact zenith. +I am not exaggerating when I say directly over us! We both wondered +where it might be going to, for at its present course, it would be +over the ocean in a matter of minutes, and the nearest major city +north of us is Portland OR, nearly 600 miles away. I'm sure this +event can be explained rationally, but I decided to mention it because +of its unusual nature, and the proximity in time to my strange nocturnal +event. + +During the course of writing this document, I have had several flashbacks +to strange memories. In one memory, I seem to be quite frustrated +that I can't see as clearly as I'd like, because I'm not wearing my +eyeglasses. I thought this was taking place in an alien craft. In +another memory, I seemed to be getting a lecture about the anatomical +differences between the alien's brain and ours. He was very interested +in a small part of my brain, lying at its center, which he described +as "primitive." I think it may have had something to do with emotion, +and they didn't have that part of the brain. In contrast, he showed +me an image of a part of their brain which we do not have; it was +an extra small lobe in the occipital region, overlying both right +and left hemispheres equally. I have the feeling that it was used +for communication. I don't know how old these memories are, and +I don't know if they're memories of dreams or of reality. I am beginning +to seriously doubt my sanity. As I had written earlier, my life has +been dotted with minor strange anomalies, most of which I have filed +away as "unsolved mysteries", and forgotten. + + I have several early memories, centering around the age of three, +which might be suggestive of an early abduction experience. Then +around the time I reached puberty, a lot of strange things started +happening. There have also been a few occurrences during my high +school years and continuing into adulthood. A summary of these +anomalous experiences will be the subject of a future essay. I want +to stress my honesty about everything contained within this narrative. +I have neither fabricated or exaggerated a single word of the experience. +I consider myself to be a happy, well adjusted individual. I have +a small circle of close friends, and a healthy family life. I am +normally a high achiever both at work, and in school. I try to balance +my intellectual lifestyle with a healthy proportion of outdoor physical +activities. I have never needed the services of a psychologist, and +there is no history of mental illness in my family. It has only +been within the past few months that my life seems to be slipping +downhill. I would like to resolve this situation by reaching some +conclusion as to the reality of my experiences, so I can get on with +my life. I would like to know if I am going crazy, perhaps due to +some undiscovered brain tumor, or if this could possibly be real. +This essay is a desperate plea for help. + +If there are any qualified UFO researchers, psychologists, or otherwise +interested parties who feel like my case warrants further investigation, +and would like to help me come to terms with my experiences, I can +be reached at:Chris Sargent(707) 585-8076WWIV Net: 82@7706I reserve +all rights to this essay. No part of it may be used or reproduced +in any manner whatsoever without the written permission of the author. +I hereby grant permission for the electronic transfer of this file +to other Electronic Bulletin Board Systems, provided that this file +remains unaltered and intact. +End of Part 7 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1084.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1084.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b612b1d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1084.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1084 + +PART 1 + + + Report #: 1 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-20-1985 + Subject: NORTH BERGEN, NEW JERSEY + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NOCTURNAL LIGHTS + DATE: 5 OCTPBER 1985 + TIME: 2015 + CFN#: 0127 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING 4 LARGE LIGHTS MANEUVERING AROUND EACH +OTHER IN THE NIGHT SKY. THE DISTANCE FROM THE WITNESS TO THE LIGHTS +ARE UNKNOWN. THE DURATION OF THIS SIGHTING IS ALSO UNKNOWN + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 2 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-20-1985 + Subject: SANTA MONICA, CALIF + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NOCTURNAL LIGHT + DATE: 14 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2048 HOURS + CFN#: 0128 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +SIX WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A LARGE OBJECT IN THE WESTERN SKY. +THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE OBJECT APPEARED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF +FLUORESCENT LIGHTING ON IT. THE DISTANCE OF THE OBJECT IS UNKNOWN +THE DURATION IS ALSO UNKNOWN. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 3 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: KERMAN, CALIF + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DAYLIGHT SIGHTING + DATE: 15 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1213 HOURS + CFN#: 0129 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SIGHTING A VERY LARGE OBJECT AT A HIGH ALTITUDE. +THE WITNESS SAID THAT THE OBJECT WAS MOVING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED. +THE WITNESS SAID THAT THE OBJECT LOOKED LIKE A WHITE BALL. HE ALSO +SAID THAT THE OBJECT DID NOT LEAVE A VAPOR TRAIL. THE WITNESS DID +NOT DETECT ANY SOUND COMING FROM THE OBJECT. THE DURATION OF THE +SIGHTING WAS 15 TO 20 SECONDS. + ------------------------------------------ + + Report #: 4 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 16 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1600 HOURS + CFN#: 0130 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING FOUR GROUPS OF THREE LIGHTS MANEUVERING +IN THE NIGHT SKY. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THEY DETECTED A LOW BUZZING +SOUND. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE OBJECTS WERE GOING NORTH TO SOUTH +ON A COURSE DIRECTLY OVER HEAD. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE DURATION +OF THE SIGHTING WAS ONLY ABOUT 5 TO 6 MIN. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 5 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: PORT ORCHARD, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 16 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0143 HOURS + CFN#: 0131 + SOURCE: NAT'T UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTED SIGHTING TWO FAST MOVING LIGHTS IN THE SKY. THE +WITNESS SAID THAT THE LIGHTS APPEARED TO BE SHOOTING BEAMS OF LIGHT +FROM THEM. THE WITNESS SAID THE LIGHTS SHOOTING FROM THE LIGHTS WERE +YELLOW AND RED IN COLOR. THE WITNESS SAID ALSO THAT THE LIGHTS WERE +MOVING AT A VERY - FAST RATE OF SPEED. HE ALSO SAID THE LIGHTS WERE +ON A COURSE GOING SOUTH TO NORTH. THE DURATION OF THIS SIGHTING WAS +ABOUT 30 SECONDS. + -------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1085.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1085.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9d405304 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1085.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1085 + +PART 2 + + Report #: 6 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: NORWALK, CONN + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 17 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2045 HOURS + CFN#: 0132 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +20 WITNESSES OBSERVED 15 TO 20 LIGHTS IN A LOOSE V FORMATION. THE +LIGHTS IN THE FORMATION APPEARED TO MOVE AROUND EACH OTHER. WHEN +THE FORMATION WAS HALF WAY ACROSS THE NIGHT SKY ONE OF THE LIGHTS +APPEARED TO BREAK OUT OF THE V FORMATION AND LEAVE AT A VERY HIGH +RATE OF SPEED. WITNESSES THEN DETECTED A LOW RUMBLING SOUND. THE +ALTITUDE OF THIS MOVING V FORMATION WAS ESTIMATED TO BE VERY LOW. +THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THEY FIRST SIGHTED THE FORMATION IN THE +EASTERN SKY. WITNESSES SAID THE FORMATION WAS GOING WEST TO EAST. +THE WITNESSES SAID THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS APPROXIMATELY +10 MINUTES. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 7 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: NORTH CANTON, OHIO + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 18 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2040 HOURS + CFN# 0133 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING A DELTA SHAPE OBJECT IN THE NIGHT SKY. +WITNESS SAID THE DELTA SHAPE OBJECT HAD MANY LIGHTS ON IT. THE WITNESS +SAID THAT THESE MANY LIGHTS WERE SHINNING DOWNWARD TOWARDS THE GROUND. +THE WITNESS SAID THE DELTA SHAPE OBJECT WENT FROM HORIZON TO HORIZON +IN ONE MINUTE. HE ALSO SAID THERE WAS NO SOUND COMING FROM THE OBJECT +THAT HE COULD HEAR. THE OBJECT WAS AT A FAIRLY HIGH ALTITUDE. THE +DURATION WAS ONE MIN. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 8 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: NEWPORT, KENTUCKY + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DAYLIGHT SIGHTING + DATE: 18 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1210 HOURS + CFN#: 0134 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING FIVE BRIGHT GREEN LIGHTS COMING DOWN +FROM THE SKY AT A PERFECT VERTICAL DESCENT PATTERN. THE PATTERN WAS +TWO BELOW TWO WITH ONE IN THE MIDDLE. THE TWO WITNESSES SAID THE +DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS ABOUT 5 TO 10 SECONDS. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 9 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 10-22-1985 + Subject: LOS ANGELES, CALIF + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DAYLIGHT SIGHTING + DATE: 18 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1515 HOURS + CFN#: 0135 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +FIVE WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING THREE WHITE OBJECTS. THESE OBJECTS +WERE GIVING OFF ALOT OF SURFACE REFLECTION THE WIT- NESSES SAID. +THE OBJECTS APPEARED TO BE MOVING AT A VERY SLOW SPEED. THE OBJECTS +WERE MOVING IN A EAST TO NORTH NORTHWEST COURSE. THE WITNESSES SAID +THAT THE ALTITUDE OF THE OBJECTS WERE APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET GIVE +OR TAKE A LITTLE. THE OBJECTS WERE ABOUT THREE FEET IN DIAMETER. +ONE WITNESS STATED HE WORK IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME AND WAS FAMILAR +WITH THE AIR TRAFFIC. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT WHILE THE SIGHTING +WAS GOING ON THERE WASN'T ANY AIR TRAFFIC AT ALL OVER THE LOS ANGELES, +INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. THE WITNESSES ALSO SAID THAT WHILE THE SIGHTING +WAS GOING ON THEY SAW THE GOODYEAR BLIMP COMING THERE WAY TOWARD THE +AIRPORT BUT THEN THE BLIMP TURNED AND STARTED TO LEAVE THE AREA AND +DID SO. THE WITNESSES ALSO SAID THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY OTHERS WATCHING +BECAUSE THIS IS IN A INDUSTRIAL AREA. THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING +WAS 20 MINUTES. + +IF ANY PERSON HAVING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE PLEASE +LEAVE US A NOTE ON THE E-MAIL SYSTEM. THANK YOU + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 10 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-22-1985 + Subject: MAYSVILLE, MO + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DAYLIGHT SIGHTING + DATE: 15 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1745 HOURS + CFN#: 0136 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +THREE WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A CIRCULAR OBJECT WITH GREEN LIGHTS +GOING AROUND IT. THE WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECT WAS MANEUVERING ABOUT +IN THE AREA. THE OBJECTS DISTANCE FROM THE WITNESSES WAS APPROXIMATELY +ONE FOURTH OF A MILE. THEY FIRST SIGHTED THE OBJECT IN THE EASTERN +SKY. THE DURATION WAS ABOUT ONE HOUR. + --------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1086.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1086.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..219660ab --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1086.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,146 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1086 + +PART 3 + + Report #: 11 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-23-1985 + Subject: SANTA MONICA, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 13 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2130 HOURS + CFN#: 0137 + SOURCE NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING A BIG PALE GREEN BALL OF LIGHT AT A +ANGULAR DESCENT. THE WITNESS SAID THAT THE GREEN BALL OF LIGHT WAS +MOVING TO THE NORTH-WEST FOR ABOUT OR APPROXIMATELY THREE SECONDS. +THE WITNESS SAID THAT THE GREEN BALL OF LIGHT WAS AT A LOW ALITIUDE. +THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS THREE SECONDS. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 12 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-28-1985 + Subject: ZIMBABWE, AFRICA + +CASE TYPE: CE I-RV IDENTIFIED + DATE: 22 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0322 HOURS BY NETWORK + CFN#: 0138 REFER TO 0085,0091 + SOURCE: MS. CYNTHIA HINDS + -------------------------------------- +PLEASE REFER THIS CASE INFORMATION TO REPORTS 85 AND 91 ON THIS SYSTEM. +THE TWO CASES WERE REPORTED IN AUGUST THE 2,1985. THE SIGHTING TOOK +PLACE IN ZIMBABWE AFRICA. MS. CYNTHIA HINDS HAS SENT SEVERAL NEWS +REPERS FROM AFRICA ABOUT THE SIGHTING TO THE NETWORK. THE NEWS PAPERS +STATED THE UFO THAT WAS REPORTED ON THE 2ND OF AUGUST 85 HAS BEEN +IDENTIFIED BY THE ZIMBABWE AIR FORCE. THEY SAID THAT THE UFO WAS A +FRENCH AIR BALLOON USER TO GATHER WEATHER INFORMATION. + ------------------------------------- + + Report #: 13 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: NEWPORT BEACH, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 14 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0100 HOURS + CFN#: 0139 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +BRONZE COLOR OBJECT WITH PAINTED NOSE WENT INTO A HIGH SPEED VERTICAL +DIVE THEN LEVELED OFF. WITNESSES SAID OBJECT WAS TRIANGULAR SHAPED. +DESCRIBED BY TWO WITNESSES AS BEING HUGE. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 14 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: YAMHILL, OR + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 14 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0230 HOURS + CFN#: 0140 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +FIVE WITNESSES REPORTED SEEING LARGE LIGHT MOVING ABOUT THE AREA. +TWO SMALL LIGHTS APPEARED TO BE LAUNCHED FROM THE LARGE LIGHT. THE +DURATION OF THIS SIGHTING WAS TWO HOURS. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 15 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: WACONIA, MN + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 18 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2130 HOURS + CFN#: 0141 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED SEEING A TRIANGULAR SHAPED OBJECT WITH COLORED +LIGHTS TWO MILES SOUTH OF WACONIA. OBJECT WAS REPORTED TO HAVE AN +ALTITUDE OF 150 FEET AS IT FLEW OVERHEAD. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 16 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: ATASCADERO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 21 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2210 HOURS + CFN#: 0142 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +ONE WITNESS OBSERVED A RECTANGULAR SHAPED OBJECT WITH COLORED LIGHTS +AT WHAT WAS DESCRIBED TO BE A LOW ALTITUDE. DURATION OF SIGHTING +WAS TWO MINUTES. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 17 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: SCHENECTADY, NY + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 24 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2215 HOURS + CFN#: 0143 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SEEING AN OVAL SHAPED, SILVER AND WHITE OBJECT +WITH COLORED LIGHTS. OBJECT REPORTEDLY MOVED ON A HORIZONTAL PLANE, +APPROXIMATELY ONE-HALF MILE DISTANCE FROM OBSERVER AT TREE TOP LEVEL. +WITNESS REPORTED DIAMETER OF OBJECT AS 80 FEET. DURATION OF SIGHTING +WAS TEN TO FIFTEEN SECONDS. + ----------------------------------- + + Report #: 18 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: SAN RAFAEL, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DS + DATE: 25 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0830 HOURS + CFN#: 0144 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +A WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A WIDE-WINGED OBJECT WHICH WAS CURVED IN +FRONT AND HAD COLORED LIGHTS. OBJECT WAS AT FIRST STATIONARY, AND +THEN MOVED ABOUT BEFORE ASCENDING AT A HIGH SPEED AND DISAPPEARING +WITHIN ABOUT 2 SECONDS. THE OBSERVER DESCRIBED THE OBJECT AS LARGE. +DURATION OF SIGHTING WAS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY SECONDS. + ------------------------------------ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1087.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1087.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..83614b98 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1087.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1087 + +PART 4 + + Report #: 19 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: NEW VIRGINIA, IA + +CASE TYPE: CE II - NL + DATE: 25 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0430 HOURS + CFN#: 0145 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SEEING AN OBJECT ON THE GROUND. THE BRIGHTNESS +OF THE OBJECT REPORTEDLY HURT THE OBSERVER'S EYES. DURATION OF SIGHTING +WAS FIVE MINUTES. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 20 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: PETERSBERG, VA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 26 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1825 HOURS + CFN#: 0146 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------- +TWO WITNESSES DESCRIBED A LARGE ELONGATED OBJECT, WHICH REFLECTED +SUNLIGHT, MOVING ACROSS THE SKY AT A HIGH ALTITUDE. THE SIGHTING +LASTED ONE TO TWO MINUTES. + ----------------------------------- + + Report #: 21 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: PHILADELPHIA, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 26 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1810 HOURS + CFN#: 0147 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +A LARGE SYMMETRICAL OBJECT WITH THREE PANELS AND REFLECTING SUNLIGHT +WAS REPORTED BY TWO OBSERVERS. THE WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECT WAS +IN A VERTICAL POSITION WHEN FIRST SEEN AND WAS AT AN ALTITUDE OF +5000 FEET. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 22 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: MESA, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 27 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1805 HOURS + CFN#: 0148 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A SPHERE WITH A WHITE LIGHT ON THE BOTTOM. +OBSERVER SAID THE OBJECT WAS TWICE THE SIZE OF A CESSNA AIRCRAFT AND +ESTIMATED THE ALTITUDE TO BE FOUR TO FIVE THOUSAND FEET. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 23 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: BROOKLYN, NY + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 28 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2130 HOURS + CFN#: 0149 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------- +FOUR LIGHTS WERE REPORTED MOVING IN AND OUT OF FORMATION ACROSS THE +WESTERN SKY. + ----------------------------------- + + Report #: 24 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: SAN MARCOS, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 30 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1700 HOURS + CFN#: 0150 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A WHITE OBJECT MOVING ACROSS THE SKY AT +AN ANGULAR ASCENT. THE OBSERVER SAID THE OBJECT WAS FOLLOWED BY A +FLASH IN THE SKY. + ------------------------------------ + + Report #: 25 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 11-14-1985 + Subject: PORTLAND, OR + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 2 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 1800 HOURS + CFN#: 0151 + SOURCE: NAT'L REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------ +A MEXICAN AIRLINE FLYING 37000 FEET NORTHBOUND OVER PORTLAND OBSERVED +A LARGE WHITE LIGHT AT AN ALTITUDE OF 50 TO 60,000 FEET TRAVELING +AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED LEAVING NO TRAIL. + ------------------------------------ + +SUBJECT: UFO STORIES FILE: UFO478 + +PART - 2 + + Report #: 26 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-21-1985 + Subject: RHINELANDER, WI + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 25 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0400 HOURS + CFN#: 0152 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A LARGE SPHEREAL OBJECT. WITNESS SAID +THE OBJECT WAS ORANGE IN COLOR. ALSO WITNESS SAID THE ALTITUDE OF +THE SPHERE WAS ABOUT 25 FEET. THE DISTANCE FROM THE WITNESS TO THE +OBJECT WAS APPROXIMATELY 1000 FEET WITNESS SAID. DURATION OF THIS +SIGHTING WAS ABOUT 30 SECONDS. + ----------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1088.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1088.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..91388988 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1088.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1088 + +PART 5 + + Report #: 27 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-28-1985 + Subject: LAUGHLIN, NV + +CASE TYPE: CE II - EM - NL + DATE: 31 AUGUST 1985 + TIME: 22:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0153 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTS WHILE DRIVING HIS CAR ON HIGHWAY 95 NEAR LAUGHLIN +THAT HE SIGHTED AN OBJECT COMING UP OFF THE GROUND AND FLYING OVER +THE ROAD GOING TOWARDS A HOUSE WERE IT HOVERED FOR A WHILE. THE WITNESS +SAID THE OBJECT - THEN SHINED DOWN A LIGHT ON IT THEN THE LIGHT WENT +OUT. THE WITNESS SAID IT WAS THE BRIGHTIST LIGHT HE HAD -EVER SEEN. +HE SAID THE COLOR OF THE LIGHT WAS BLUICH WHITE. THE WITNESS SAID +THEN THE OBJECT FLEW OVER THE ROAD AND SHINED DOWN A LIGHT ON A -PARKED +CAR AND HOVERED THERE TILL THE LIGHTS WENT OUT AGAIN. THE WITNESS +WAS STILL IN HIS CAR AT THIS TIME. HE SAID THAT THE OBJECT THEN +CAME OVER TO HIS CAR AND SHINED DOWN TWO LIGHTS. HE COULD NOT SEE +THE OUTLINE OF THE OBJECT BUT ONLY THE BRIGHT LIGHTS. THE WITNESS +ALSO SAID THAT THE OBJECT WAS HOVEDRING 5 FEET OFF THE GROUND AND +THE DISTANCE FROM THE OBJECT TO HIS CAR WAS ABOUT 20 FEET AWAY. HE +THEN LOST SIGHT OF IT. THE WITNESS SAID THAT THE LENGTH OF THE OBJECT +WAS ABOUT TWO CARS LONG. HE ALSO SAID THAT THE SHAPE OF THE LIGHT +LOOKED LIKE A SHAFT. THE WITNESS SAID THAT HIS CAR RADIO WENT OFF +WHEN THE SIGHTING TOOK PLACE. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 28 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-28-1985 + Subject: RHINELANDER, WI + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 25 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 18:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0154 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTED SEEING FOUR FIRE BALLS IN THE NIGHT SKY. THE WITNESS +SAID THERE WASN'T ANY SOUND COMING FROM THEM. THE WITNESS ALSO SAID +THE DISTANCE OF THE FIRE BALLS WERE ABOUT ONE HALF OF A MILE FROM +HIM AT TREE TOP LEVEL. THE WITNESS SAID THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING +WAS ABOUT 10 TO 15 MIN. + ------------------------------------- + + Report #: 29 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-28-1985 + Subject: MONTEAGLE, TN + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 8 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 20:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0155 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTED SIGHTING 6 BRIGHT OBJECTS IN THE NIGHT SKY. THE +WITNESS SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE LARGE AND 5 SMALL. HE SAID THAT THEY +WERE IN A FORMATION AND ONE OF THE SMALL OBJECTS LEFT IT. THE WITNESS +SAID THAT THE SMALL OBJECT STARTED TO FOLLOW HIS CAR AND DID SO FOR +70 MILES. THE WITNESS FIRST SIGHTED THE SIX OBJECTS IN FORMATION OVER +ENTER STATE 24. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 30 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-03-1985 + Subject: PUEBELO, CO + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 29 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 20:46 HOURS + CFN#: 0156 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +FIVE DIFFERENT AIR CARRIES REPORTED SEEING A FAST BRIGHT CLEAR MOVING +LIGHT IN THE SKY. THE LIGHT WAS AT 43000 FEET AND GOING NORTH AT +A HIGH RATE OF SPEED FLIGHT PUEBELO 200 DEGREES RADIO AT 04 OR 05 +MILES. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 31 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-04-1985 + Subject: LANESBORO, MA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 13 SEPTEMBER 1985 + TIME: 19:40 HOURS + CFN#: 0157 + SOURCE: BERKSHIRE EAGLE, PITTSFIELD + ----------------------------------------- +A MAN REPORTED SIGHTING AN UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT LAST NIGHT. +HE SPOTTED THE OBJECT AT ABOUT 7:40 P.M. HE WAS DRIVING NORTH ON +CHESHIRE ROAD WITH HIS MOTHER WHEN HE SEW A LOW-FLYING DIAMOND-SHAPED +OBJECT DIRECTLY ABOVE THE ROAD AHEAD OF HIS CAR. THE WITNESS SAID +THERE WERE TWO WHITE LIGHT ON THE OBJECT THAT WERE SO BRIGHT THEY +LIT UP THE LEAVES ON THE NEARBY TREES. IT APPEARED TO BE ABOUT 1,500 +FEET IN THE AIR AND ABOUT A FEW THOUSAND FEET AWAY. THE OBJECT MADE +TWO SHARP TURNS ONE IN A EASTERLY DIRECTION OVER A FIELD THEN AONTHER +SHARP TURN TOWARD HIS CAR. THE WITNESS SAID THAT HE OFF HIS HEADLIGHTS, +AND THE OBJECT'S TWO BRIGHT WHITE LIGHTS CAME BACK ON. THEY HAD WENT +OUT BEFORE. SECOND WITNESS: THE SECOND WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A WHITE +FLASH FLYING AT A LOW ALTITUDE HOWEVER THAT THE FLASH WAS SO QUICK +HE COULD NOT GET A GOOD LOOK AT IT. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 32 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-04-1985 + Subject: TUCSON, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I - RV + DATE: 9 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 24:15 HOURS + CFN#: 0158 + SOURCE: ARIZONA DALLY STAR TUCSON + --------------------------------------- +A LOCAL AIR-TRAFFIC CONTROLLER AND A POLICE HELICOPTER PILOT REPORTEDLY +TRACKED ABOUT 60 UNIDENTIFIED AIRCRAFT OVER TUCSON MONDAY, BUT FEDERAL +AUTHORITIES ARE NOT INVESTIGATING. TUCSON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT RADAR +PICKED UP THE AIRCRAFT AT 12:15 A.M. MONDAY RADAR MONITORED THE OBJECTS +FOR ABOUT 90 MIN. THE RADAR PICKED THEM UP SOUTHWEST OF THE CITY, +NEAR RYAN FIELD,AND LOST THEM AS THEY FLEW NORTHEASTERLY THROUGH REDINGTON +PASS. THE CONTROLLER REPORTED THAT 15 GROUPS OF FOUR TO SIX OBJECTS +EACH WERE MONITORED ON THE RADAR. THE UFO'S WERE TRAVELING AT ABOUT +250 KNOTS, OR 288 MPH. THE TOWER CALLED THE POLICE PILOT ON DUTY +AND SAID THAT THEY HAD SOME TARGETS BUT NO TRANSPONDERS. THE TRANSPONDERS +ARE RADAR TRANSCEIVERS THAT AUTOMATICALLY IDENTIFY INDIVIDUAL AIR +CRAFT FOR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS. IF YOU DON'T TURN YOUR TRANSPONDER +ON, ALL IT SHOWS UP AS (ON RADAR) IS A BILP. THE PILOT TRIED TO FOLLOW +THE OBJECTS AND DID SEE SOME LIGHTS,BUT WAS UNABLE TO CATCH UP WITH +THEM. THE PILOT WAS UP ABOUT 4,000 FEET AND THEY WERE UP AT 7,000 +FEET. THE AIR FORCE SAID D-M JETS STOP FLYING BY 10:30 PM AND KNEW +OF NO OTHER MILLTARY FLIGHTS IN THE AREA AT 12:15 AM MONDAY. + ---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1089.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1089.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ac3a7acd --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1089.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1089 + +PART 6 + + Report #: 33 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-04-1985 + Subject: TACOMA, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 8 AUGUST 1985 + TIME: 22:13 HOURS + CFN#: 0159 + SOURCE: NEWS TRIBUNE, TACOMA + ------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTS. I WAS LYING OUT IN MY BACKYARD WATCHING FOR PERSEID +METEORS WHEN A SUPER-FAST OBJECT PASSED DIRECTLY OVERHEAD,TRAVELING +FROM SOUTH TO NORTH IN A STRAIGHT LINE. IT WAS SHAPED SOMETHING LIKE +AN AIRPLANE BUT MORE LIKE A "T" AND COLORED BETWEEN YELLOW TO ORANGE. +IT ACTUALLY GLOWED BUT DIDN'T LEAVE A TAIL LIKE THE METEORS (I SAW +ONLY THREE IN TWO NIGHT OF WATCHING). THE TIME APPROXIMATELY WAS +10:30 PM THERE WAS NOTHER ON THE LATE NEWS. WITNESSES NAME: +MR. JACK KENISON 817 N. SHERIDAN AVE. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 34 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-04-1985 + Subject: FAIRFIELD COUNTY, CT + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 17 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 21:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0160 + SOURCE: TELEGRAM,BRIDGEPORT + ------------------------------------- +A UFO REPORTED BY A NUMBER OF WITNESSES FAIRFIELD POLICE OFFICER JIM +GALLAGHER SAID THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS DELUGED WITH CALLS FROM ANXIOUS +RESIDENTS WHO HAD SIGHTED THE OBJECT. ONE WITNESS A SCHOOL TEACHER +SAID I SAW THESE LIGHTS IN A "V" SHAPE AND MOVING SLOWLY I NEVER SAW +ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. HE SAID IT WAS NO PLANE. + ------------------------------------- + + Report #: 35 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-02-1986 + Subject: BUTTE, MT + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 20 SEPTEMBER 1985 + TIME: 24:01 HOURS + CFN#: 0161 + SOURCE: MONTANA STANDARD + ----------------------------------- +WIDSOM RANCHER LARRY SEARE AND HIS WIFE, NORELL REPORTED SEEING EIGHT +OR NINE SEPARATE LIGHTS IN A STAGGERED FORMATION FLYING AT ABOUT +100 MILES PER HOUR IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION OVER THE VALLEY TOWORD +THE WEST PIONEER MOUNTAINS. THE WITNESSES SAID THEY WERE NOT HELICOPTERS +NOR JETS PERFORMING NIGHT MANEUVERS. HE SAID HE COULD SEE NO BODY +SHAPES OF ANY TYPE. THE LIGHT WERE IN DIFFERENT PATTERNS IN A STAGGERED +LINE. HE SAID FAR BEHIND THE OTHERS WAS A SINGLE BRIGHT REDDISH COLORED +LIGHT. SOME OF THEM FLASHED AT DIFFERENT INTERVALS AND SOME OF THE +SMALLER LIGHTS IN THE FRONT STAYED OFF MORE THEN THE BIGGER ONES. +HE SAID IT WAS REALLY KIND OF ODD THEY DIDN'T BLINK IN THE SAME PATTERN +THAT WING TIP LIGHTS DO. HE CALLED THE BUTTE SILVER BOW POLICE. MEANWHILE +ANOTHER WITNESS REPORTED SEEING A "V" FORMATION OF LIGHES IN THE TIMBER +BUTTE AREA A LORRAINE McINTEE WHO SAID SHE SAW SIX LIGHTS IN THE FIRST +GROUP AND THREE TRAILING FURTHER BEHIND. THEY CAME FROM OVER THE +TIMBER BUTTE AREA AND WENT OVER THE AIRPORT AND DISAPPEARED IN TO +A CLOUD BANK. OFFICIALS AT MALSTROM AIR FORCE BASE IN GREAT FALLS +SAID THEY PICKED UP NOTHING UNUSUAL ON THIR RADAR AND KNEW OF NO NIGHT +MANEUVERS OVER SOUTHWESTERN MONTANA. ALL WITNESSES SAID THERE WERE +NO SOUNDS COMING FROM THE LIGHTS. ALSO ALL THE WITNESSES TURNED OFF +THERE CARS AND ROLLWD DOWN THERE WINDOWS AND DIDN'T EVEN BREATHE. +WITNESSES SAID IF IT WOULD HAVD BEEN AIRPLANES OR JETS OR HELICOPTERS +THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME SOUND. + ----------------------------------- + + Report #: 36 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-02-1986 + Subject: FT. DEVENS, MA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 30 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0162 + SOURCE: DISPATCH + ------------------------------------- +SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS AROUND FT. DEVENS HAVE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE +ON THE SKY IN THE WAKE OF SEVERAL RECENT REPORTS OF UFO'S SIGHTED +IN THE LOCAL AREA WITNESSES SAID THE UFO'S LOOKED LIKE TWO GLOWING +ORANGE SPHERES. EIGHT DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS HAVE REPORTED SEEING +THESE OVER THE PAST TEN DAYS. ACCORDING TO THE BOXBORO, MASS. POLICE +LOG, THE UFO'S WERE FIRST SIGHTED BY TWO POLICE OFFICERS ON OCT,19. +SAID PATROLMAN STEPHEN TREFRY, WHO ALONG WITH HIS PARTNER ROBERT MORRILL, +WE SAW TWO BRGHT ORANGE LIGHTS HOVERING OVER THE TREE TOPS. WE WATCHED +THEM FOR ABOUT 10 SECONDS, THEN THEY DISAPPEARED. MORRILL IMMEDIATELY +RADIOED THEIR SIGHTING BACK TO BOXBORO POLICE STATION. SUDDENLY THEY +OBSERVED THE OBJECTS AGAIN ABOUT 150 YARDS AWAY. MOVING DIAGONALLY +OVER THE HILLSIDE, THE UFO,S LIGHTS GLOWED FOR ANOTHER FEW SECONDS +THEN DISAPPEARED. MARCIE ROBINSON, A PHYSICAL THERAPIST AT EMERSON +HOSPITAL WAS DRIVING HER TWO DAUGHTERS TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY OBSERVED +TWO ROUND ORANGE BALL HIGH OVER A PASTURE OFF PRESCOTT ROAD. I'M +NORMALLY SKEPTICAL ABOUT UFO'S ROBINSON ADMITTED BUT I'M NOT SURE +IF THERE A SIMPLE EXPLANATION FOR WHAT WE SAW. + ------------------------------------- + + Report #: 37 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-09-1986 + Subject: ROSEVILLE, CA. + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 3 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 20:20 HOURS + CFN#: 0163 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +THREE WITNESSES OBSERVED CIRCULAR OBJECT APROXIMATENLY 300 FEET IN +DIAMETER DIRECTLY OVER THEM THE OBJECT THEN MADE A 90 DEGREE TURN +WENT INTO A FAST SPEED AND DISAPEARED OUT OF SIGHT. WITNESSES SAID +WHILE OBSERVING THE OBJECT IT MADE A RUMBLING SOUND AND SHOOK A HOUSE +AND A BARN DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS APROX-IMATELY 20 SECONDS. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 38 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1986 + Subject: TUCSON, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 26 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 20:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0164 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------ +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING 15 SPHERE SHAPED OBJECTS. THE +WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECTS WERE DARK IN COLOR. THE WITNESSES ALSO +SAID THE OBJECTS WERE MOVING AT FAST SPEEDS FROM N.W. TO S.E. TOTAL +DURATION OF SIGHTING WAS ABOUT OR APPROXIMATELY 20 SECONDS. + ------------------------------------------ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1090.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1090.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cc0f8541 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1090.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1090 + +PART 7 + + Report #: 39 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1986 + Subject: EDWARDS A.F.B., CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - EM + DATE: 19 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 07:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0165 + SOURCE: NAT`L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +WHILE DRIVING SOUTH ON HIGHWAY U.S. 395 NEAR EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A STATIONARY LONG RECTANGULAR SHAPED +OBJECT. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE OBJECT WAS A BRIGHT SILVER IN +ITS COLOR. THE WITNESSES ALSO SAID WHEN THEY WERE NEAR THE OBJECT +THERE RADIO HAD A LOT OF STATIC ON IT. i.e. E-M,. THE WITNESSES +SAID WHEN THEY STOP THE CAR THE OBJECT HAD DISAPPEARED. TOTAL DURATION +OF SIGHTING: TEN MINUTES. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 40 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1986 + Subject: SEATTLE, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DS + DATE: 26 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 12:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0166 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING FOUR OBJECTS HIGH IN THE SKY TODAY AT +NOON THE WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECTS LOOKED LIKE FOUR PARACHUTE - UMBRELLA +- SHAPED. THE WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECTS APPEARED TO HAVE ROCKING +MOVEMENTS OR MOTION TO THEM. WITNESSES ALSO SAID THE OBJECTS WERE +APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET IN DIAMETER. THE WITNESSES SAID THE ALTITUDE +OF THE OBJECTS WERE ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 1000 FEET WHEN DIRECTLY +OVERHEAD. THE WITNESSES SAID THE OBJECTS WERE LAST SEEN MOVING FROM +S.W TO N.E. FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. TOTAL DURATION OF SIGHTING: FIVE +MINUTES. + ------------------------------------------ + + Report #: 41 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1986 + Subject: FT.MYERS BEACH, FL + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DS + DATE: 28 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 06:50 HOURS + CFN#: 0167 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +SEVERAL WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A LARGE TRIANGULAR SHAPED OBJECT +IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS TODAY. THE WITNESSES SAID: THE COLOR OF +THE OBJECT APPEARED TO BE BRIGHT GOLDEN IN COLOR. THE WITNESSES +SAID: THE DISTANCE OF THE OBJECT WAS APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE FROM THEM. +THE WITNESSES ALSO SAID: THE OBJECT WAS STATIONARY FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES. +THE WITNESSES SAID: THE OBJECT THEN STARTED TO MOVE OFF TO A NEW COURSE +FROM EAST TO WEST. TOTAL DURATION OF SIGHTING: 30 MINUTES. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 42 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1986 + Subject: KEY LARGO, FL + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 29 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 21:25 HOURS + CFN#: 0168 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING A BALL OF LIGHT IN THE NIGHT SKY. +THE WITNESS SAID: THE COLOR OF THE LIGHT WAS YELLOW AND WHITE ALSO +THE WITNESS SAID: IT DESCENDED FROM A HIGH ALTITUDE AT AN ANGLE. +THE WITNESS SAID: THE LIGHT THEN CAME TO A SWIFT STOP. THE WITNESS +SAID:THEN THE OBJECT STARTED TO MOVE AGAIN AND IT CIRCLE THE AREA. +IT CIRCLE FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MINUTES. THE WITNESS THEN SAID: THE +LIGHT WENT BACK TO IT'S ORIGINAL COURSE AND THEN IT JUST DISAPPEARED. +THE TOTAL DURATION OF SIGHTING: FOUR MIN. + ------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 43 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-03-1986 + Subject: BUTLER COUNTY, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 7 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 22:54 HOURS + CFN#: 0169 + SOURCE: PASU HOT LINE + --------------------------------------- +WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING SIX VERTICAL BEAMS OF LIGHT IN THE NIGHT +SKY THE WITNESSES SAID: THE LIGHTS APPEARED TO BE STATIONARY. THE +WITNESSES SAID: THEY OBSERVED THE LIGHTS OR OBJECTS FROM THERE TRAILER +COURT, ALSO THEY SAID: THE LIGHTS DID APPEAR TO BE SOLID AND NOT MOVING +AT ALL. THE WITNESSES SAID:THEY WERE NOT SEARCH LIGHTS THEY WERE +SURE OF THAT. + ---------------------------------------- + +Report #: 44 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-03-1986 + Subject: PITTSBURGH, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 7 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 23:14 HOURS + CFN#: 0170 + SOURCE: PASU HOT LINE + ---------------------------------------- +A WITNESS IN DOWN TOWN PITTSBURGH REPORTED OBSERVING A SILVER GRAY +OBJECT. THE WOMAN SAID: SHE WAS OBSEVRING THE OBJECT WHILE IT WAS +HOVERING OVER A BRIDGE. THE WITNESS SAID: THE NAME OF THE BRIDGE WAS +THE BIRMINGHAM BRIDGE. THE WITNESS THEN SAID: THAT THE OBJECT WAS +VERY LARGE SHE SAID: IT HAD SOLID WHITE LIGHTS AROUND IT WHICH THEN +TURNED TO A ROSE COLOR SHE SAID: THEN IT CHANGES COLORS ONCE MORE +TO A BLUISH SHADE. THE WOMAN SAID: THE OBJECT THEN TURNED ON ITS SIDE +OR SIDEWAY. SHE SAID: SHE COULD SEE A KNOB ON THE TOP OF THE OBJECT +OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT ANYWAY. THE WITNESS ALSO SAID: +THERE WAS SOMETHING UNDERNEATH IT OR ON THE BOTTOM OF IT TOO. THIS +WITNESS DID WORK FOR NASA AT ONE TIME. + +THIS CASE IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION BY P.A.S.U. THE PENNSYLVANIA +UFO HOT LINE 838-7768 THE DIRECTOR OF PASU MR. STAN GORDON + ------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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THEY SAID: THEN THE HELICOPTERS LEFT THE AREA. THE DURATION +OF SIGHTING: TWO HOURS. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 46 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-03-1986 + Subject: MINNEAPOLIS, MN + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 26 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 18:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0172 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +THE FAA HAS BEEN RECEIVING REPORTS FOR THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF OBJECTS +COMING DOWN FROM THE NIGHT SKYS. THE FAA SAID: THE REPORTS ARE COMING +FROM ABOUT 125 MILES WEST OF MINNEAPOLIS. THE FAA SAID:THE REPORTS +HAVE BEEN COMING IN FROM GROUND PERSONNEL, PILOTS, AND AIRCRAFTS. +MORE INFORMATION WILL BE POSTED LATER. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 47 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-03-1986 + Subject: MINNEAPOLIS, MN + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 26 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 18:25 HOURS + CFN#: 0173 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A BRIGHT GREEN FIRE BALL. THE WITNESSES +SAID: THE GREEN FIRE BALL CAME DOWN FROM THE NIGHT SKY IN A ANGULAR +DESCENT LEAVING A LONG TRAIL. THEY ALSO SAID: IT APPEARED TO BE VERY +LARGE. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 48 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-21-1986 + Subject: FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 5 FEBRUARY 1986 + TIME: 23:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0174 + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + --------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING A BRIGHT GREEN LIGHT DESCENDING FROM +AN APPROXIMATE ELEVATION OF 60 d TO ABOUT 30 d, DIRECTLY IN FRONT +OF HIM. THE LIGHT DID NOT SEEM TO LEAVE A TRAIL, AND DID NOT FLICKER +OR VASCILLATE IN ANY WAY. IT TOOK ABOUT 3 SECONDS TO COVER THE DISTANCE. +AT THE 30 d POSITION IT JUST DISAPPEARED BEHIND A CLOUD. WEATHER CONDITIONS +WERE SCATTERED LOW CLOUDS, AND ABOUT 45 d F. THE WITNESS SAID: THE +SPEED AND THE SIZE DID NOT SEEM TO CORRELATE WITH A METEOR. THE WITNESS +SAID: HE CHECKED WITH LOWELL OBSERVATORY IN FLAGSTAFF,AZ, ABOUT 75 +MILES NORTH, AND NO METEORS HAD BEEN REPORTED. THE INTERNATIONAL CENTER +FOR UFO RESEARCH IN SCOTTSDALE,AZ, HAD SEVERAL RECENT REPORTS OF A +SIMILAR NATURE. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 49 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-26-1986 + Subject: Issaquah, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 18 FEBRUARY 1986 + TIME: 21:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0175 + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + -------------------------------------- +Around 9:00 P.M. on Tuesday evening a blue green ball of fire with +a tail on it was seen by several people through out the Northern +part of Washington Sheriff Bob Dodge of the Snohomish County Police +Department called Steve Pool of K.O.M.O. Channel 4 News to inquire +as to what he and and citizens had seen in the Snohomish and Issaquah +area. Also Dean Munday of the Washington State Patrol Office received +a few calls from Citizens throughout the State reporting a unidentified +object that exploded. Astronomer David Dodge sew the object with another +witness from the Southam Oberservatory in Vancouver B.C.. He was looking +toward the Big Dipper when he sew a magnesium Blue Green ball of fire +come out of the constellation of Leo and pass underneath the bowl of +the Big Dipper before it exploded into a shower of different colored +sparks above S.W. Vancouver B.C. Ihis Incident is also in the Everett +Herald Newspaper Dated Feb 19, 1986 It states what people saw Tuesday +evening called a "Bolide, which is much more brighter and active then +a meteor. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 50 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-28-1986 + Subject: POCATELLO, ID + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 9 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 06:15 HOURS + CFN#: 0176 + SOURCE: IDAHO STATE JOURNAL + ------------------------------------- +At 6:15 In the morning on Nov 9, a witness observed a mystery "Bar" +in the sky. Dawn was breaking and she could barely see the conformation +of the house and garage next door. The crescent moon to the southwest +was bright. No stars twinkled, No clouds in the gray sky. The crests +of the rugged mountains to the east were black. The witness said: +Cruising above the peak to the south of Chink's peak a luminous bar +of light was moving from the northeast, arcing upward at approximately +a 45 degree angle toward the southwest. Total Duration: 45 Minutes. + +Witness: Nora Ann Allen + 2360 South Second + Pocatello, Idaho 83204 + -------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1092.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1092.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..81940a67 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1092.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1092 + +PART 9 + + Report #: 51 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-02-1986 + Subject: ELYRIA, OH + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 6,7 OCTOBER 1985 + TIMT: 22:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0177 + SOURCE: CHRONICLE TELEGRAM + --------------------------------------- +Two reports of UFO sighting 8 hours apart on Oct. 6 and 7 in Lorain +County. Mrs. Cchrist, 23, of 208 Furnace St. said: A wedgeshaped +object hovered above her parked car at 10:30 P.M. Oct. 6. She had +noticed a bright starlike object as she was walking towards the vehicle. +Once inside, she peered out and saw the white light moving real fast +towards her. She said: It dove down and it flipped on its side, she +said: A grayish, diamond -shaped outline blended in with the sky but +appeared to be about 25 feet long, she said: In the middle of the +object, hovering silently at the height of a telephone pole, was an +intense light surrounded by two green lights and two red lights. +A large strobe light falling from the sky was the way Mrs. Ward, of +1017 Chatum Court, described her sighting she observed a pulsating +light dropped down in the area or vicinity of State Rt. 57 a short +distance away. Mrs. Ward said: She has no way of gauging the actual +side of the object but in her range of vision it was the side of a +basketball. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 52 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-02-1986 + Subject: NASSAU COUNTY, NY + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 22 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 20:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0178 + SOURCE: NEWSDAY, GARDEN CITY + ------------------------------------------ +Nassau County police sais: Last night, the unidentified object moving +across the evening skies was a blimp. But then again, the Federal +Aviation Administration and the port Authority police said: It was +a prank by small planes flying in formation. More then two dozen +Nassau residents phoned newsday last night to report a strange, silient +object with blinking lights crossing north by northeast over Valley +Stream, West Hempstead, Garden City, New Hyde Park, Westbury and Port +Washington. Leslie Gross reported that she and her husband were in +Manhasset about 8:30 p.m. when they saw an object like a kite....moving +slowly through the sky. There were white and red lights flashing +on and off. It was a seven-dot configuration. Then it changed from +a triangular shape to an oval shape. It was quite large.It was low +enough so that If it was a plane, you would have heard the motor. +After South Shore precincts received more then 50 telephoned queries +a car was dispatched to the Hempstead area about 8:45 p.m. Officers +Paul Scheibelein and Robert Schiller of the Fifth Precinct identified +the object as a blimp. They said: They could see the oval shape and +identify the runing lights. Port Authority police and the FAA said: +The UFO was probably four or five small planes flying in formation. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 53 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-02-1986 + Subject: LINCOLNTON, NC + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 10 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: EVENING HOURS + CFN#: 0179 + SOURCE: LINCOLN TIMES NEWS + ------------------------------------------- +CHARLOTTE, N.C. ( AP ) Mrs. Sylvia Bagby reported observing a big +round, red object. She said: It was as large as a house and had a +yellow halo. Mrs.Bagby said: She felt a tingling sensation during +the experience that night of Nov 10, as if she had been out in the +sun to long. Mrs. Bagby called the sheriff department but they just +"laughed".So I really haven't said that much about it. She said: It +makes you feel so alone. But four other people living near Lincolnton +said: They saw a Saturn-shaped object that maneuvered near their +homes for about 30 minutes on May 1, frightening animals and causing +power failures and telephone interfe-rence. They said: It vibrated +their house,cast a beam of light on one of them and gave off a heat +wave. Two other witnesses a woman and a pilot said: They saw a circle +red, blue, green, and white object with lights moving towards Elkin +on Sept. 2. A man and his wife watched a round, white object the +size of an airplane cross the road in front of their car near Lowesville +on Oct. 8. They said: It had three tripod landing gears on the bottom +and made an intense humming sound in the area foer about five minutes. +A woman was returning home to Matthews from work in Charlotte on +Dec. 5. when she saw two bright, oval-shaped objects, about 900 square +feet in area, shaped like diamonds on the rear. She almost hit a truck +whose driver also saw two huge UFOs with rows of white lighted area +surrounded by borders flying above the treetops and across the road. +These cases are still being investigated by George Fawcett a Mutual +UFO Network Director. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 54 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-10-1986 + Subject: BOXBORO, MA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 25 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 19:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0180 + SOURCE: SUN, LOWELL + --------------------------------------- +An unidentified flying object spotted by two Boxboro officers Saterday +night was seen again last night by Marcie Robinson and her 14 year +old daughter Jennifer and her friend Kelley McDermot. According to +Robinson she was driving to work around 7:30 this morning when she +spotted two large orange lights just above tree top level. All of +a sudden we saw two orange lights beaming out of the clouds, Robinson +said: They didn't seem to be moving just seemed to be sitting there. +Robinson of 33 Prescott St. was driving along Depot Rd. They just +sat there through the trees at a 30 degree angle, we tried driving +closer towards the direction they were coming from, but then lost +sight of them. + --------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1093.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1093.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9cc964f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1093.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1093 + +PART 10 + + Report #: 55 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-13-1986 + Subject: PERADISE VALLEY, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 4 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 23:10 HOURS + CFN#: 0181 + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + ------------------------------------------ +One witness observing while driving East bound a bright green incandescent +about the one o'clock position from his car. It descended to about +35 degrees, vertically with a very slight horizontal component relative +to himself, in about one second. Witness said: At the 35 degree position +it did not fade out but rather blinked out. He said: It seemed to +be describing an Eastward trajectory in its descent. The witnesses +vehicle was moving at approximately 30 mph at the time of the sighting. +The witness said: He could hear no sound from the object. There were +no aircraft in the vicinity at this time witness said. The witness +is a private pilot with about 85 hours flying time logged, and does +not wear glasses. The witness said: If he had to compare the object +with a known terrestrial object, it would be like an aircraft flare, +except that aircraft flares do not blink out, they fade, and last +much longer, and usually fall straight down. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 56 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-13-1986 + Subject: PORT ORCHARD, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 12 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 23:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0182 + SOURCE: INDEPENDENT PORT ORCHARD WA + -------------------------------------------- +One witness report observing what she thought looked like a saucer +with white and blue lights she said: It was triangle shaped and hovered +over a fleld for a long time. The witness said: The size of the object +was enormous, over-shadowing the two soccer fields The witness said: +She saw it leave the area but said it went so fast it was hard to +see. Janice Mutek then call the police. The police started taking +the report but were have a hard time from laughing witness said. +The witness said: It was unusually quiet and the object didn't make +a sound. Total Duration of Sighting: Unknown + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 57 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-13-1986 + Subject: WILTON, CT + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 17,18 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: NIGHT HOURS + CFN#: 0182 + SOURCE: BULLETIN + ------------------------------------------- +Oct 17, several Wilton residents in the Danbury and Grumman Hill road +area phoned Wilton police with sighting of strange red lights. The +lights hovered at treetop level for four to five minutes, started +to move slowly and then disappeared. June Dober of Crosswicks Ridge +said: She and her son on Thursday night both sew a huge, hovering +object which looked like a spaceship. It flew low in the sky but didn't +make any noise, she said. About the same time that night a man asked +not to be identified said: He sew a strange light in the sky. Apparently, +other people saw it too, he said, because several cars traveling +north on Route 7 pulled over to the shoulder for a look at the sky. +Early Thursday evening, Mellissa Lorentson of Grumman Avenue reported +having seen stra- nge red lights moving at treetop level in a Northwest +direction. The witness said: The lights were very disti-nct, with +no form and were moving very slowly . Lisa Sforza a reporter with +The Danbury News-Times said: She was out the field on an assignment +on Thursday night when she saw a strange, V shaped red lights move +silently through the night sky. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 58 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-13-1986 + Subject: DOVER, DE + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 7 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: NIGHT HOURS + CFN#: 0183 + SOURCE: STATE NEWS, DOVER + ------------------------------------------- +GEORGETOWN - A Delaware State Police communications officer said: +There were reports Wednesday night from Georgetown of a UFO - an +unidentified flying object. He said: There was a reported sighting. +A state police helicopter checked into it, but with negative results, +the officer said:They didn't see anything. Wayne D. Ellingsworth, +director of emergency operations for Sussex County, he received three +calls reporting a strange object in the sky, a ball of light with +orange streamers on it. Ellingworth called Dover Air Force Base,and +they said: They had a lot of traffic last Wednesday night. Duration +of sighting: Unknown + --------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1094.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1094.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c8a99133 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1094.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1094 + +PART 11 + + Report #: 59 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 03-13-1986 + Subject: DeFOREST, WI + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 21 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 17:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0184 + SOURCE: WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL + ------------------------------------------------ +Two witnesses report observing a triangular shaped object hovering +over homes near the East side. The witness said while driving home +to DeForest shortly after 5 pm Friday. On highway CV, near Chase Lumber, +he said: he saw three white lights hovering 20 to 30 feet above a +farmhouse. At first I thought it was an airplane, then I thought +it was a helicopter, and the I realized I didn't know what it was. +The witness said: The craft was roughly triangular, with its bottom +sloped into contours. Hr said: It was noiseless and disappeared when +he got out of his car to in- vestigate. Joe Durkin, Madison Police +spokesman said: His department received a similar report from a Madison +woman Nov,19. Durkin said: officers generally don't write reports +after talking to people who claim to have seen UFO's. but this woman +sounded normal, he said. The woman said: She saw a flying saucer, +with a roughly triangular shape,hovering over a home on Milwaukee +Street. She told police it had three white lights below it. Air National +Guard spokesman said: there were no repoered flying objects or UFO +in the area. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 60 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-09-1986 + Subject: ELKHART, IN + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 23 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 22:55 HOURS + CFN#: 0185 + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------------- +A witness reported observing an object that just looked like a large +light The witness a 16 year old boy was driving down a rural road +when he observed an object He said: the object looked like it was all +lights. The witness said: the distance from the object to him was +approximately 300 feet and was about 40 feet off the ground. The +object then disappeared. Total duration: 5 minutes + --------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 61 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-09-1986 + Subject: GARY, IN + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 27 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 08:32 HOURS + CFN#: 0186 + DURATION: 12:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a large triangle or triangular shaped +object with colored lights on it. The witnesses said: The object +moved about at a high rate of speed and would made fast stop. The +witnesses said:The object was stationary for approximately 30 seconds. +They also said the object was about 10 times larger then a airliner. +The object made no sound at all witnesses said. The distance from +them to the object was approximately 300 feet and the total time +observed was 12 minutes. + --------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 62 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-09-1986 + Subject: ENCINO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 2 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 08:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0187 + DURATION: 30:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing a small silvery object moving out side +her house. The witness said: The object was about four inches in +diameter. She said: The object was moving around and going over her +dogs, she said her dogs hair stood on end. She said: they seemed to +be upset ! The witness said: She watch this for about 7 minutes but +then she looked up and notice a larger silvery object approximately +8 to 10 inches in diamter. She said: This larger object then started +to suppurate into four smaller objects. The witness said: The closest +point to the object from her was approximately 12 feet away. This +witnesses age is 76 years old. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 63 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-10-1986 + Subject: IRON, MN + +CASE TYPE: CE II - NL + DATE: 4 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 04:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0188 + DURATION: 90:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing a large orange colored object in the +sky moving around very slowly. The witness said: The object would +some times be stationary. The distance of the object at its closest +point was about or approximately 300 to 400 feet away from her. The +witness said: She watch it move about for 90 minutes before it disappeared. + --------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1095.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1095.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..87848469 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1095.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1095 + +PART 12 + + Report #: 64 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-10-1986 + Subject: SAN FRANCISCO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 6 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 20:55 HOURS + CFN#: 0189 + DURATION: 10:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------------- +Six witnesses reported observing a large circular object in the eastern +sky. The witnesses said: while they were observing the large object +it started to suppurate into two disk shaped objects. They said: The +two disk shaped objects were stationary for a while till a third disk +shaped object came in to wiew. The witnesses said: The three objects +then went in a ( V ) foramtion and disappeared to the north. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 65 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-10-1986 + Subject: BREAUX BRIDGE, LA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 9 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 20:10 HOURS + CFN#: 0190 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Three witnesses reported observing a large hexagon shapeed object +in the night skys The witnesses said: The object went right directly +over them. They said: The object was approximately 3500 feet above +them and moving at very fast speeds. They said: The object was going +east to west and then made a 90 degree turn and headed north. The +witnesses said: They watched the object for about 3 minutes before +it disappeared. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 66 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-10-1986 + Subject: MESA, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 22 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 20:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0191 + DURATION: 10:MINUTES + SOURCE: MR. GREG PIERCE + ------------------------------------------- +The following was posted to ParaNet on the 22 of March. ParaNet is +a computer network which is also in AZ and has phenomena subjects + -------------------------------------------- + +I am also in question as to a phenomenon I observed about three weeks +ago. It was about 8:30 pm and looking out my window, I noticed a +white light in the sky. I watched for several minutes as the lights +grew dim, and brightened again. It did this about 4 - 5 times per +minute. I got a small 30 - power telescope that I had gotten from +a friend, and watch the object for about two more minutes. As I watched, +the lights continued to brighten and dim. When bright, it looked +somewhat like viewing a spotlight from a distance of 20 yards. When +it dimmed down, I could see no shape, but only a speck that looked +like a dying ember. During the whole time, the object hovered, absolutely +motionless. after about three minutes it began to move across the +sky, apparently at high speed, although from that distance, my perception +may have been fooled. However, it must have been moving fairly rapidly, +as it moved from the position it was to the southeast across the sky +and disappeared over the horizon. Yet it moved that distance in 30 +seconds. I connot estimate how far the UFO was from me, but it seemed +to be no more than 4 - 5 miles, however, as I said, I could not accurately +judge the distance, but it had the appearance of being that distance. +I watch for it the following night, but it appeared nowhere. I cannot +say what it was. At first, I thought it may be a helicopter, but if +it was, it would not appear as a light, even if it shining an arc- +spotlight in my direction,Nor could a helicopter have move at the +speed which I observed. If it was a jet, it would not have appeared +motionless,even if it were flying straight as the light I saw. So +as to what it was, I cannot say. Since that night, I have not seen +the phenomena in the sky. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 67 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-17-1986 + Subject: CARBONDALE, IL + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DD + DATE: 7 DECEMBER 1985 + TIME: 16:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0192 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: SOUTHERN ILLINOISAN. DEC. 9,1985 + --------------------------------------------- +An "Unidentified Flying Object" described as football shaped and without +wings was reported to the Southern Illinois University-Carbondale +Security Police Saturday night. Three SIU-C students reported sighting +an odd object over lot 4 near Thompson point about 4:30 P.M. Saturday. + +They reported it as shaped much like a feetball, and white in color. +They said: it went south at a high rate of speed, and then reversed +directions and went north at a high rate of speed. + +The students told police the object appeared not to have wings, and +said: the sides appeared to be very smooth. + +Police said: they had no reason to consider the report as any type +of prank and said: the report was accepted as a serioys matter. Name +of the students were not released. + --------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1096.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1096.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..940e0af8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1096.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1096 + +PART 13 + + Report #: 68 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-17-1986 + Subject: CORONADO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: DECEMBER + TIME: NIGHT + CFN#: 0193 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: JOURNAL CORONADO JAN 9,1986 + ---------------------------------------- +Three Coronados spotted an Unidentified flying object land in front +of them. They were coming out of the bingo hall at Sacred Heart Church. + +Mona O' Keefe, Rosemany Thelen and a North Island worker A Mr. Herb, +described the object as a clear plastic bubble about three feet in +diameter. + +As the man approached the object, it ascended and flew over Orange +Ave to Olive Ave and out over the ocean in the fight path for North +Island, according to the two women. + +Police said: they had no reports. The women said: they asked around +town, but nobody else said they had spotted the mysterious object. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 69 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-20-1986 + Subject: SHELBY, NC + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 9 FEBRUARY 1986 + TIME: 19:15 HOURS + CFN#: 0194 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: NEWS & RECORD, GREENSBORO, NC + ------------------------------------------- +Frances Shaw was driving south on N.C. 226 near her home in Shelby +Sunday night when she had a close encounter with a perfectly round +orange object hovering in the sky. + +As Shaw kept driving, she said the object grew larger and the orange +light it was emitting intensified and began blinking. Shaw, was scared +and thought it was going to land in her front yard. + +Shaw, said it didn't land but disappeared just as she was pulling +up to her house. Shaw said when the object disappeared, it left a +"trail of smoke." + +County Sheriffs Department said three other people called, all with +in 15 minutes of each other, to report a bright light traveling west +to east. + +The Sheriff's department contacted the Federal Aviation Administration +in Charlotte, which reported no unusual fight experiments over the +area or planes in distress. + +Shaw, said she didn't think the object she saw was a plane. At first, +she said she thought it might have been a blinking light on top of +a tower. But as it grew in size and intensity. she could tell that +it wasn't. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 70 + From: SYSOP +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: FAYETTEVILLE, NC + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: NIGHT + CFN#: 0195 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Several witnesses reported observing a circular shaped object. They +said the that the object was bigger than a large house also that the +object went directly over them and they got a very good look at it. +The witnesses said there were no sounds heard coming from the object. +The object was approximately 200 feet high off the ground witnesses +said. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 71 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: PETALUMA, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 19 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 20:40 HOURS + CFN#: 0196 + DURATION: 5 SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing 15 lights flying in a "V" formation +at a fast rate of speed. He said the lights were going from South +East to North West. He said they move from directly over hard to the +horizon in 5 seconds. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1097.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1097.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..546f1508 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1097.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1097 + +PART 14 + + Report #: 72 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: SALTLAKE CITY, UT + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 21 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 24:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0197 + DURATION: 1 MINUTE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a rectangular shaped object in the +sky. They said the object was moving at a very slow speed. + +The witnesses said the size of the object was about or approximately +40 to 70 feet long, 30 to 40 feet tall and about 20 feet wide. + +They said it was approximately 100 yards high off the ground, also +the witnesses said there were sounds heard coming from the object. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 73 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: LAWSON, MO + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 21 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 22:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0198 + DURATION: 7 SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing a large green object moving at a high +rate of speed in the night sky. + The one witness said that the object was leaving a trail and +moving East to West. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 74 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: WALNUT CREEK, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 21 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 22:56 HOURS + CFN#: 0199 + DURATION: 10 SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Witnesses reported observing a very large object movung in the night +sky at a fast rate of speed. + +They said that the object was on a North to South course. Also that +the object then disappeared in the horizon. + +Another witness reported observing this same object from an area called +Oakland, California at the same time as the sighting in Walnut Creek, +Califoria. The duration in both cases was approximately 10 seconds. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 75 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: FARMINGTON, MO + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 22 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 21:48 HOURS + CFN#: 0200 + DURATION: 10 SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +A Witnesses reported observing a ring of rotating bright lights moving +in the night skys . + +The witnesses said the colors of the lights were bright white. The +object was also seen in close or nearby areas around Farmington. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 76 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-22-1986 + Subject: IOWA COUNTY, WI + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 5 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 21:45 HOURS + CFN#: 0201 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: CAPITAL TIMES, MADISON, WI + ---------------------------------------- +Several people in Iowa County incluing the Sheriff have reported +seeing a strange light in the sky Sunday night. + +But it may have been only an airplanes landing lights. + +Jean and Bob Ellarson of rural Barneveld, both experienced the sighting +of the UFO Both said they saw the light while driving west on Zwetler +Road in the town of Vermont at approximately 9:45 P.M. + +The light, Jean Ellarson said, didn't seem to be moving at all. They +stop their car and rolled down a wondow. All of a sudden, the thing +started coming toward us and I mean fast, she said. It was like a +big bright star. There were no blinking lights, no red and green +like you might see on a plane - and there no noise It move very fast, +then swung off toward highway 14. It has to be a UFO whatever that +means, she said. + +Sheriff Nick Basting who spotted it from his patrol car south of +Mineral point. I wouldn't swear to it, but I think it was an airplane +with it landing light on. + ---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1098.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1098.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f48a0b67 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1098.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1098 + +PART 15 + + Report #: 77 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-23-1986 + Subject: GLENDALE, SC + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 18 FEBRUARY 1986 + TIME: 20:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0202 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: HERALD JOURNAL,SPARTANBURG,SC + ------------------------------------------ +Some witnesses in the Glendale area heard an explosion Sunday night +and felt it shake their homes. Some witnesses reported that they observed +a light of a low - flying object. + +What they saw and heard they believed to the crash of a plane or a +helicopter. + +Police and volunteers searched all night and monday morning and found +no crash or explosion site. Several people saw whatever it was, do +whatever it did, including a Sheriffs deputy. Police do not believe +the report were the result of some kind of hoax. + +Sherri McGraw, a resident of Goldmine Road in Glendale, said she saw +the thing flying low near the treetops. It had a big white light and +smaller red lights on the front of it but she couldn't see its body. + +She saw it go behind the trees and hear it explode and it didn't come +back up. Sherri said she doesn't believe what she saw was a hot air +balloon. It moved very quick she said. A helicopter also search the +area but did not find anything. + +The investigation is closed unless something new turns up. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 78 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-27-1986 + Subject: EL CENTRO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DD + DATE: 15 NOVEMBER 1985 + TIME: 19:15 HOURS + CFN#: 0203 + DURATION: 15:SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Four witnesses reported observing three large disk shaped objects +moving at a fast rate of speed. + +They said the objects were going on a north to south course. The +witnesses said that the colors of the disks were that of a penny or +copper. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 79 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 04-27-1986 + Subject: NIPOMO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 26 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 21:27 HOURS + CFN#: 0204 + DURATION: 15:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing four bright lights in the night skys. + +They said that the lights or objects were at a high altitude and +maneuvering at high rates of speed. + +The witnesses said that the lights were going in circles and making +90 degree turns. + +They also said the light were going in to high speed vertical climbs +and high speed vertical dives. + +The lights or object would then make very fast stops. The witnesses +said they were watching this going on directly over head in the North +East sky. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 80 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-05-1986 + Subject: TACOMA, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 30 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 04:55 HOURS + CFN#: 0205 + DURATION: 16 SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing an object low in the horizon. The +witnesses said the object was about one fourth the size of the moon +and moving on a horizontal path. + +The witnesses observed the object from the I-5 freeway going south +on they way to work but said the object's path was north to south. + +They also said the object was not tailless, and the colors coming +off of it were red, green, and yellow. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 81 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-05-1986 + Subject: LAFOLLETTE, TN + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 27 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 23:10 HOURS + CFN#: 0206 + DURATION: 30:SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Three witnesses reported observing a large metalic object. + +They said the object had color lights along the bottom of it, and +was approximately 100 feet from the road at tree toplevel. + +The witnesses said that the object was stationary when they first +notice it, also there was no sound heard coming from the object at +the time of the sighting or at anytime. + +The witnesses said when they stop the car to observe the object it +left at a fast rate of speed. + ---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1099.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1099.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..09090dc4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1099.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1099 + +PART 16 + + Report #: 82 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-05-1986 + Subject: NAZARETH, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 30 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 20:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0207 + DURATION: 7:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing two very bright lights low in the +sky. They said the colors of the lights were just white but very bright. + +The witnesses said the lights or objects were stationary when first +seen, they said after observing the objects for about 7 minutes, the +object move off at a very high rate of speed going to the south. + +But the witnesses said when the objects increased speed the objects +or light got brighter. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 83 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-05-1986 + Subject: WORCESTER, MA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 2 MAY 1986 + TIME: 21:45 HOURS + CFN#: 0208 + DURATION: 7:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported while driving west on route 290 she observed +a very long object with colored lights. + +The witness said the object was maneuvering around the area, then +it made a 90 degree turn and then it shot down two beams of light +from the object to the ground. + +The witness said she notice that other cars started to slow down on +the road to watch the object. + +The witness estimated the object to be about or approximately less +then 450 feet from her car when observed. She then said the object +left at a high rate of speed. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 84 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-05-1986 + Subject: BELLINGHAM, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 3 MAY 1986 + TIME: 21:45 + CFN#: 0210 + DURATION: 10:SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing five ( V ) shaped objects moving +in formation. + +The witnesses said the objects were on a north to south course. +They also said the objects went from horizon to horizon in 10 seconds. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 85 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-06-1986 + Subject: SAITLAKE CITY, UT + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 2 MAY 1986 + TIME: 19:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0209 + DURATION: 10:MINUTES + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported while he was bicycling he observed an object +shaped like a small sphere that reflected sunlight from it. + +The witness said he noticed the sphere when it shot across his path. +He said he watched it maneuver around the area for some time going +up and down the valley. + +The witness said the sphere was as close or approximately 75 yards +from him, also he heard no sound coming from the object. The witnesses +age is 64 years. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 86 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-14-1986 + Subject: DANVILLE, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE II-NL + DATE: 9 MAY 1986 + TIME: 21:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0210 + DURATION: 2:hr 45:min + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------ +Three witnesses reported observing a large object with colored lights. + +Witnesses said they did not have a chance to estimate as to the exact +shape of the object. They said the Distance of the UFO was approximately +300 feet from them, and the Altitutde was about 100 feet high. + +The witnesses said according to their clocks, they spent two hours +and forty minutes observing the object or something. When asked if +she felt that they had a loss of time, she said yes definitely. + +One of the witnesses is a lady who is 36 years old who previous to +the incident needed crutches to walk because she had an injured hip +and as of this morning she is now walking without crutches and without +any pain whatsoever. + +She also had reddening of the skin. At the same time of their experience, +the city of Danville had an unexplained power failure. The witnesses +did not detect any sound coming from the object. + +Shortly after they got into bed in the early hours of the morning +her husband said he woke up and heard this strange humming sound coming +from outdoors and he could also feel heat on his face. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 87 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-19-1986 + Subject: DeRIDDER, LA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 11 MAY 1986 + TIME: 21:50 HOURS + CFN#: 0211 + DURATION: 10:SECONDS + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Three witnesses driving near DeRidder observed a disc shaped object, +colored lights around the perimeter, a white light in front shown +in the direction it was traveling, estimated diameter three feet, +moved across the front of the vehicle at a distance of six to eight +feet away. CE II at about six feet off the ground. There were no +EM seconds they only observed it for about l0 seconds. She said that +after it got to a certain point, it just shot straight up in the sky +and then out of site. The highway they were on was called LA 26, +probably Louisiana State Highway 26. + ---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1100.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1100.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..16cdf32a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1100.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1100 + +PART 17 + + Report #: 88 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-19-1986 + Subject: SNOQUALAMIE, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 1 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 20:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0212 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: PILOT, SHAWN KIAER + ---------------------------------------- +Two pilots reported observing while they were flying over Snoqualamie +Pass two amber spheres coming their way. The pilots said that they +were on a collision course with these two objects and went into evasive +action to avoid the collision. After the pilots had leveled off, +two objects turned around and started to follow their plane. The +pilot tried to use his radio and said it was unoperative due to heavy +static. The pilot described that one object was on one side of the +wing and one on the other. The objects then accelerated at phenomenal +speeds heading due west in the direction of Seattle at which time +the pilot's radio became operative again. The pilot, Shawn Kiaer, +was accompanied by an instructor. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 89 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-19-1986 + Subject: PAYNE FIELD, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 1 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 21:30 HOURS + CFN#: 213 + DURATION: 30:MINUTES + SOURCE: CUFON - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + --------------------------------------------- +Saturday evening March 1, 1986 at approximately 8:30 P.M. the CUFON - +UFO Information Service in Seattle, Washington and the National UFO +Reporting Center started receiving calls of a UFO sighting in the +direction of Payne Field. Witnesses said that they had spotted these +objects while driving on Interstate 5 near the north side of Mountlake +Terrace. The witnesses described that the objects were large in size, +although they could only see large lights. When questioned further, +they said the objects were the size of a quarter at arms length. +The witnesses said that there were nine objects total. They also said +that small white and blue objects were dropping out of some of the +larger objects but did not hit the ground, instead headed for the +north at fast rates of speed. When asked how many witnesses altogether +there were, the witness described that he had counted fifteen cars +pulled off to the side of the freeway observing the UFO's. The total +duration of the sighting was about 30 minutes. The larger objects +were then seen heading north also in formation. At exactly 11:00 P.M. +all three news networks in Seattle, Washington gave their account +of the sighting. All three had a different story. One explanation +given was that FAA said that Payne Field was having aerial maneuvers. +Another station said they called Payne Field and they stated it was +possibly balloons. The next day after the sighting, CUFON called Payne +Field and talked with Sargent Tinsley-Army Opera- tions. She checked +flight records for that evening and said that there were no military +maneuvers going on at Payne Field at the date and time of the sighting. +She also stated that most of the time they do not have maneuvers going +on after 9:00 P.M. because of noise levels. This is a highly residential +area also. + +By coincidence there was a head on collision with two small single +engine aircraft two weeks prior to this sighting. Two witnesses observed +two planes colliding overhead in the Black Diamond, Washington area. +The witnesses described the plane exploding in the air on impact then +watched the small plane head towards the ground. They said the other +plane then went on its own way. Although the witnesses said there +were two planes, none of them were able to describe it accurately +and the plane that departed was never found. Two days later after +the incident, a helicopter that was leased by photographers for National +Geographics was found crashed. The photographers were found dead +in the helicopter near Mount Saint Helens. The reckage was found on +flat ground with no reasonable explanation according to FAA. + +CUFON contacted FAA investigator to find out if they had any details +on both accidents. The FAA investigator told CUFON that the helicopter +may have had a "whiteout". When asked about the mid air collision +with the two single engine aircraft, the FAA investigator said he +didn't believe there was another plane involved. This meant that +he was disregarding the testimony of the witnesses. As to this date, +there has been no wreckage found of the second aircraft. + ---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1101.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1101.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3a34dc9c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1101.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1101 + +PART 18 + + Report #: 90 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-22-1986 + Subject: WAKEFIELD, RI + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 25 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0214 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE + ----------------------------------------- +Police report that several people called to report a UFO was flying +low over Pond Street and portions of Route 1, beaming bright lights +down at cars. An air traffic controller at Quonset Point also reported +getting a few calls, but said his radar showed only two high-flying +4,500 and 5,500 feet that night. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 91 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-22-1986 + Subject: TORRINGTON, CT + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 9 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0215 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE + ----------------------------------------- +Callers from Winsted, Torrington, Harwinton and Litchfield and south +to New Milford reported seeing patterns of slow moving lights in the +sky. Observers saw the lights for extended periods. Torrington police +received about 100 calls that Thursday night. Connecticut state police +at the Litchfield barracks received about 40. The lights were described +by callers to the Register Citizen as hovering, flying in formation, +splitting up and reforming. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 92 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-22-1986 + Subject: STAMFORD, CT + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 21 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 21:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0216 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE + ------------------------------------------ +Witness saw first small flashing red and white lights in distant +northwest sky. Then a very large, bright round white beam of light +replaced the smaller ones. Came straight towards her home. As it +flew closer she opened her window to see better and barely heard anything, +possibly the low hum of an engine. It approached within an acre or +less of the house and then veered slightly to the southwest, skimming +over the treetops toward the Post Road and Long Island Sound. Witness +thought she saw a very large, completely darkened, elongated elliptical +object about 50 to 100 feet long gliding over the trees. Other listeners, +area residents, were calling in to tell of their experiences. One +witness said this "thing" had gone right over her car and that she +had pulled to the side of the road, shaking. A male caller described +it also as about 50 feet long. Many said that it hovered overhead +and then suddenly disappeared. Robert E. Hagadorn, a Ridgefield resident +in another state stated he saw lights overhead, going parallel to +Route 84 East. He was driving on Route 84 at the inter-section of +the Taconic Parkway in New York about 8 p.m. the same evening, one +hour before Greenwich residents sighting. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 93 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-22-1986 + Subject: THOMASTON, CT + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 9 JANUARY 1986 + TIME: 16:00 TO 22:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0217 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE + ----------------------------------------- +Witnesses reported blinking read lights glided silently through the +night, pausing to hover over Thomaston before darting away toward +Torrington. Several people came out of their homes to watch. Others, +traveling along Route 8, pulled their cars over to the roadside to +watch. David Marcoux of Pleasant Street stated described seeing a +row of seven red lights with a bright red one like a beacon in the +middle. He stated that later several craft, which were flying in +a horseshoe shape, separated. He said they flew up the Naugatuck +Valley toward Torrington and then came back down the valley. He stated +that where they live, they can hear any plan, helicopter or even a +hot air balloon pass over their house but they did not hear a sound +with these objects. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 94 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-22-1986 + Subject: BELLINGHAM, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 25 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 22:55 HOURS + CFN#: 0218 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: HERALD, BELLINGHAM, WA + --------------------------------------- +Two Bellingham women reported seeing a gigantic bank of bright lights +hovering over Bellingham. Robin Henley and Katie James said they +saw three rows of bright white lights about 50 feet long hovering +at 10:55 p.m. between Georgia-Pacific Corp. mill and Squalicum Harbor +Marina. The object remained over the city for about five minutes, +then moved slowly to the north, until it disappeared over the hills. +Both stated they observed a helicopter, which seemed to be almost +tailing the object. They stated they spotted the lights while heading +toward the city on Boulevard. The object was a "flat cylinder" with +the bot-tom and top lights brighter than those running down the center, +according to Henley. The bottom lights appeared to shine upward. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1102.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1102.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a72ba9ee --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1102.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1102 + +PART 19 + + Report #: 95 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-23-1986 + Subject: RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL + +CASE TYPE: * CE II - RV + DATE: 19 MAY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0219 + DURATION: 03: HOURS + SOURCE: (AP) SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER + --------------------------------------------- +RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) - Multicolored UFO's the side of ping-pong +balls were seen in the skies over Brazil on Monday, and the government +sent fighter jets to chase them, the air force minister said on television. + +Because they saturated our radar system in Sao Paulo and because they +were interfering with air traffic, it was decided to send up planes +to pursue them, Brigadier Gen. Otavio Moreira lima said yesterday. + +The air force immediately dispatched four fighter jets - two Mirages +and two F-5s to find the flying objects, which the Air Space Defense +Center had located over the cities of Sao Paulo, Sao Jose dos Campos +and Rio de Janeiro. + +One of the F-5 pilots reported seeing objects that he said were +multicolored, Moreira Lima said. adding, He reported that 13 of these +objects accompanied his aircraft. Another pilot described the objects +as the shape and side of a ping-pong ball flying at a speed of (840 mph) +a leading news network, reported. + +The jets, which also picked up the UFOs on their radar screens, tracked +them for almost three hours, but had to turn back when the planes +started to run out of fuel. I can't give an explanation for this because +we don't have any, said Moreira Lima. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 96 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-23-1986 + Subject: PETALUMA, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 22 MAY 1986 + TIME: 0430 + CFN#: 0220 + DURATION: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: (UPI) SEATTLE TIMES + ----------------------------------------- +PETALUMA, Calif. More then a dozen people reported seeing an unidentified +flying object hovering and darting over this suburban city north of San +Francisco early yesterday morning. + +I looked up and saw seveal orange lights hovering in the sky, said +Sue Heart, who was delivering newspapers at 4:30 a.m. when the UFO +was sighted. + +A California Highway patrolman described the fast flying object as +a large, orange X with white lights on the front. + +All witnesses agreed it was not an airplane, and air-traffic and military +spokesmen in the area were unable to explain the object. + +The sighting came three days after Brazilian air-force jets reportedly +chased more then a dozen fast-moving objects marked by intense green, +red and white lights. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 97 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-25-1986 + Subject: TORRINGTON, WY + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 23 MAY 1986 + TIME: 2155 HOURS + CFN#: 0221 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: SEVERAL + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +Several witnesses reported observing a bright object shooting sparks +from it. + +The witnesses said the sparks were coming off the top of the object, +and said the object was going across the sky to the north west. The +duration of this sighting is not known. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 98 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-25-1986 + Subject: ANAHEIM, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 23 MAY 1986 + TIME: 2206 HOURS + CFN#: 0222 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a very large object. They said it +was shaped like a "+" sign with many lights on it. The witnesses said +the object was lay flat when sighted + +Also they heard no sound coming from the object at the time of the +sighting. + +The witnesses said the object was moving in a straight line going +from East to West. + +There is another case like this one which took place on the 22 of +may in petaluma California. The witnesses said in that case the object +was shaped like an "X" and also had many colored lights on it. + +This could be the same object? + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1103.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1103.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d5a9f27e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1103.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1103 + +PART 20 + + Report #: 99 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-28-1986 + Subject: PORTLAND, OR + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 24 MAY 1986 + TIME: 2230 HOURS + CFN#: 0223 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a bright object circling the City +Of Portland. + +One of the witnesses said the object was moving so fast he found it +hard to observe the object through his binoculars. + +The witnesses said the bright object was metallic looking in color +and that the object circled the City several time before leaving. +The witnesses lost sight of it after approximately three minutes. +Total time observed three minutes. + ---------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 100 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-28-1986 + Subject: VALLEJO, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 25 MAY 1986 + TIME: 0145 HOURS + CFN#: 0224 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing an object that resebled a small full +moon, but the witnesses said, that it had a blue ring around it. + +The witnesses said the blue ring was on the under side of the object +and it would increase in brightness when the object would move. The +duration of this sighting is not known. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 101 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-28-1986 + Subject: COTTAGE GROVE, OR + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 23 MAY 1986 + TIME: 0000 HOURS + DURATION: 1 MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a large object with color lights +moving across the night sky at a fast rate speed. + +The witnesses were driving south on highway Inter State five ( I-5) +at the time of the sighting. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 102 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-28-1986 + Subject: HOLYOKE, MA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 25 MAY 1986 + TIME: 1700 HOURS + DURATION: 5 MINUTES +WITNESSES: FIVE + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +Five witnesses reported observing a silver white short streak of light + +The witnesses said the light appeared to be stationary when obseerved +also they said the sky was clear. + +The witnesses said it, then started to move upword and then it join +with what appeared to be a white small ball of light. + +The witnesses said the streak of light went up and down two to three +times before disappearing at fast speeds over the horizon. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 103 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-28-1986 + Subject: OSWEGO, NY + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 26 MAY 1986 + TIME: 2210 HOURS + DURATION: 15:MINUTES +WITNESSES: FIVE + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ----------------------------------------- +Five witnesses reported observing bright lights moving across the +sky at three different times. + +The first sighting of the moving lights took place at 10:10 P.M. the +object or light was going on a north to north course at a fast rate +of speed. + +The seconded light was seen approximately five minutes later heading +north north west to south south east also at a fast rate of speed. + +The witnesses said the last light seen was at 10:25 P.M. moving over +head and going west south west to east north east at fast speeds. +All sightings only lasted a few seconds. + +Oswego is next to lake Ontario also the closes Air Force Base is Griffiss +just about 70 Miles S.E. Of Oswego. + ----------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1104.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1104.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b13ff0d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1104.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1104 + +PART 21 + + Report #: 104 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-02-1986 + Subject: LOS ANGELES, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 31 MAY 1986 + TIME: 1930 HOURS + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + ------------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing some objects that looked to him like +the tail of a kite. + +The witness was looking out a window at about or approximately +7:30 P.M. he described the objects at first as looking like the tail +of a kite, twisting in the wind. + +He said it seemed to him that the objects were gyrating about one +another like two pieces of paper carried aloft. + +About fifteen minutes later he saw three unmarked black helicopters +fly overhead, but not in the direction in which he had seen the objects. +This witness is a Sunday School teacher. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 105 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-05-1986 + Subject: HOWARD CITY, MI + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 31 MAY 1986 + TIME: 2150 HOURS + CFN#: 0229 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER + ---------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing the flight of a flat oval object. +No sound was heard and it was visible for two to three minutes at +a distance of about two hundred yards or 600 feet. Only a metalic +color was seen. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 106 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 06-05-1986 + Subject: GRIZZLY FLATS, CA + +CASE TYPE: NL + DATE: 1 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0400 HOURS + CFN#: 0230 + DURATION: 5:SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +---------------------------------------- +A witness reported waking up at 4:00 am hearing her dog barking vigorously. +Just as she went to her window to see what was happening the whole +area around her house and the woods lit up just as if it were daytime. +She could see shadows being cast of whatever it was but not the object +itself as it was directly overhead. She did not go out to investigate. +The lighting effect lasted for about five seconds. There was no sound. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 107 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-23-1986 + Subject: GRASS VALLEY, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 20 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0100 HOURS + DURATION: 15:MINUTES +WITNESSES: SIX + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +------------------------------------------- +Six witnesses observed a large triangular shaped object with colored +lights. When first observed the object was stationary and then it +started to move directly toward to witnesses until it was directly +overhead at an altitude estimated to be over 1200 feet and they could +all distinctly hear a low humming sound for about 15 minutes. The +object was estimated to be 40 feet across. After about 15 minutes +the object moved out of sight over the foot hills moving north to +south course. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 108 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-23-1986 + Subject: SAN FRANCISCO, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 20 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0300 HOURS + DURATION: 01: AND ONE HALF SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +One witness while standing out on his balconey observed a large bright +light moving in a vertical decent towards the ground and it passed +behind a hill, out of sight. As he stood and watched the area, he +could see that there was a bright light coming from behind the hill. +He could see it illuminating the contour of the hill. He described +the object as large. He observed it for one and a half minutes. +No sound was heard. + ----------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1105.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1105.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..302225b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1105.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1105 + +PART 22 + + Report #: 109 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-07-1986 + Subject: KREMMLING, CO + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 20 APRIL 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0233 + DURATION: 02: HOURS +WITNESSES: TWENTY PLUS + SOURCE: MANIFEST, WINTER PARK, CO + ---------------------------------------- +Bright lights hovering over Green Mountain Reservoir and Kremmling... + +Twenty-plus calls to the Summit County sheriff... + +And sightings by the sheriff's department and the police departments +of Dillon and Silverthorne. + +Science fiction? Even after seeing them, Kremmling police officer +Scott Koch would like to believe it is. + +On Sunday, April 20, a call came into the Kremmling PD from the Summit +County sheriff's department, reporting numerous UFO sightings and +inquiring if any similar calls had been received in Kremmling. + +Koch, who was on the 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. shift that night, saw stationary, +colored lights in the skies directly over Kremmling. He then was +informed of sightings near Green Mountain Reservoir, and drove down +Colo. 9 to the county line. + +There, a large group of law enforcement officers from Grand and Summit +Counties was witnessing something stranger than fiction. The lights +were viewed over Williams Peak and the Gore, and through a high powered +telescope, the objects looked to be triangular in shape, with lights +on the outer edges. They were observed to hover, then "take off" +to the southwest. + +The most startling aspect of the occurrence was the evasive action +of a jet plane, which all present saw veer around one of the objects. +Koch figured they watched for about two hours. + +Fact? Fiction? These witnesses were trained ovservers, professional +men who viewed something alien to their natures. + +They really don't want to talk about it. + +But they don't deny the fact that something truly strange was out +that night. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 110 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-07-1986 + Subject: DANBURY, CT + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 29 MAY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0234 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWENTY-PLUS + SOURCE: NEWS-TIMES, DANBURY, CT + ------------------------------------ +Area police said aircraft in the skies last night promted several +dozen calls to the Danbury and Brookfield police departments as well +as to state police barracks in Southbury and in Brewster with reports +of UFOs. + +State police at the Southbury barracks said the crafts were probably +ultra-light aircraft, but a New York sate trooper said they were regular +planes "putting on a show." + +"They few right over the barracks, it was very impressive," said Trooper +Peter Kontos of the Brewster barracks. "If you didn't know what it +was, I could see how you would think it was strange." + +Kontos said the barracks received a half-dozen calls and "a whole +mess of people" who stopped at the barracks to point out the spectacle +to troopers. + +He said the Stormville, N.Y., barracks notified police about the +aircraft. He said the pilots throttle the planes' engines to make +it appear they are standing still, and then suddenly take off at a +high speed. + +The Putnam County Sheriffs' Depatment, Brookfield police and Connecticut +State Police at Troop A said they received a half-dozen calls each +about the planes. Danbury police said they received 20 calls. + ----------------------------------------- + + Report #: 111 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-08-1986 + Subject: WASHINGTON COUNTY, AL + +CASE TYPE: PT - PHYSICAL TRACES + DATE: 5 MARCH 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE - PLUS + SOURCE: REGISTER, MOBILE, AL + ----------------------------------------- +Forensics testing UFO evidence + +Examiners at the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences will be testing +the only evidence of a UFO which fell in Washington County in an effort +to unravel the origin of the object which apparently exploded before +it crashed into a backyard. + +It left trees and plants broken and damaged, but no clues as to what +it was or what caused it. + +Mr. Jim Small, a trace evidence examiner with the Forensic Science +lab who specializes in examining evidence from arson and explosions, +said the lab received samples of the damaged plants and trees from +the Washington County Sheriff's Department Wednesday. + +The first thing that we will look for is some type of explosive residue. +Beyond that, I don't know, Small said. + +The explosion, which occured March 5 in the backyard of the Jesse +Wallace Henson family in Frankville, was investigated by Washington +County Sheriff William J. Wheat. Wheat said he had no idea what caused +it whether it was a land explosion or caused by something that fell +from the sky. + ----------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1106.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1106.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bc4f1792 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1106.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1106 + +PART 23 + + Report #: 112 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-10-1986 + Subject: WIKIEUP, AZ + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 10 JULY 1986 + TIME: 04:15 HOURS APPROX. + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FIVE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------ +A call was received from a group of people traveling on US 93 in +Arizona near Wikieup, Arizona. They observed a large bright orange +light sitting on a crest of a hill and as they drove on they watched +the object lift off the ground and proceed to follow their car at +an estimated distance of one mile. There were four people in the +car who observed this. The witnesses have not been spoken to yet. +The highway patrolwoman who also observed the object will be spoken +to also. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 113 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-14-1986 + Subject: BALTIMORE, MD + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 10 JULY 1986 + TIME: 13:15 HOURS + DURATION: 20: SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Witness observed 20 miles NE of Baltimore six F15 aircraft flying +at a high altitude laying down heavy vapor trails and as they passed +out of sight to the south he observed a small object coming from the +north moving at a high rate of speed. It caught up with the vapor +trails and passed through them and then maneuvered around and started +moving parallel with the vapor trails and came within a short distance +of the F15s and made a sweeping turn at which time it reflected the +sun and proceeded back to the north and out of sight. Witness is +a 66 year old retired pilot. Observed the object for twenty seconds. +The object did not leave a trail and at one point it came to a complete +stop while traveling at a high rate of speed and then started moving +again instantly. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 114 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-14-1986 + Subject: WINTHROP, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 12 JULY 1986 + TIME: 21:25 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed a brilliant while light come up from behind +the hills to the SE and level off then move slowly to the south and +then pick up speed and change course moving towards the west. The +light was very large and bright. They watched through binoculars and +could see a firey effect. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 115 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-18-1986 + Subject: CELINA, TN + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: JULY 8, Through JULY 10, 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: 200 PLUS + SOURCE: CELINA, TENN. (AP) + -------------------------------------------------- +An unidentified object seen last week in this rural town along the +Tennessee- Kenutcky border was really a U.S. Army helicopter from +Fort Campbell, KY, U.S. Rep. Bart Gordon said Wednesday. + +Congressman Gordon, called the U.S. Army and Air Force to investigate +the UFO matter and he found out that it was a helicopter, said Meg +McKnight, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Democrat. + +Residents in Celina reported seeing the craft on July 8, through +july 10, after an intial sighting by 200 people at a softball game, +says Clay County Sheriff's dispatcher Lisa Gail Boles. + +Witnesses said: the object was 250 to 300 feet long, with an octagonal +shape, at least four outside lights and a beacon at the center. + +However - Capt. Randy Pullen at Fort Campbell said: the crafts are +about 30 feet long. Major Mike Dormeyer at the Fort Campbell Army +Base confirmed that three UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters were flying +on all the nights the sightings were reported, Ms. McKnight said. + +Dormeyer said: the crafts were not easily identified because they +are equipped with turbine engines that cover up the sound of the blades, +Ms. McKnight said. + +The Clay County Sheriff's Department has classified the object as +a plane. + +However, Ms. Boles said: "It wasn't a helicopter, I seen it myself," +she said:" It was a two-engine plane that followed the same route +for three nights." + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 116 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-21-1986 + Subject: MONROE, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 19 JULY 1986 + TIME: 2220 HOURS + DURATION: ONE TENTH SECOND +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + --------------------------------------- +Two witnesses, Dorothy and Larry Wood, observed a green round dot +with a short green tail going parallel to the sky and traveling very +very fast, and it was observed about one tenth of a second. The object +was very high in the sky going west to east about five miles west +of Monroe, Washington at 10:20 pm. Larry Wood, once in the Air Force, +is normally very skeptical, however he did not believe the object +to be a meteor or anything known. + --------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1107.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1107.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..443335e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1107.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1107 + +PART 24 + + Report #: 117 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-30-1986 + Subject: NEW PORT RICHEY, FL + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 24 JULY 1986 + TIME: 1400 HOURS + DURATION: 01: MINUTE +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + ------------------------------------------ +Two witnesses while driving north on US 19 near Port Richey observed +a bright orange flash in a cloud in the sky and this was followed by +the descent of three bright orange crescent shaped objects. They +made a perfect vertical descent. Each one of them appeared to be +trailing some kine of smoke. They lost track of them after they passed +behind buildings and trees along the highway. They described them +as being large and at cloud level. The sighting lasted for one minute. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 118 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-30-1986 + Subject: SEBASTIAN, FL + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 25 JULY 1986 + TIME: 2230 HOURS + DURATION: 20: SECONDS +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +Two witnesses driving along a road near their residence observed a +big bright yellow light in a stationary position over her neighbors +house. The driver flashed the high beam of the car off and on toward +the object and the object instantly took off at a high rate of speed +just like a rocket across the sky. The estimated distance was 500 +yards at roof top level and was observed for 20 seconds. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 119 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: METCALF, IL + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 08 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 2030 HOURS + DURATION: 30: SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +One witness observed a long cigar shaped cylinder moving at a slow +speed surrounded by a reddish mist. The object appeared to be very +solid, about four times longer than a car, no sound, estimated distance +at one half mile. Observed for 30 seconds. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 120 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: KETTERING, AZ + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 10 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 2330 HOURS + DURATION: 01: MINUTE +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +One witness observed a huge object with bright lights move directly +overhead at an altitude of 300 feet. Observed for one minute with +no sound. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 121 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: LA PORTE, TX + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 14 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 2430 HOURS + DURATION: 45: SECONDS +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed a large object with colored lights move directly +overhead at an estimated altitude of 900 feet and no sound was heard. +Observed for about 45 seconds. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 122 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: ST. JOSEPH, MI + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 13 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 1230 HOURS + DURATION: 03: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +Three witnesses observed at Lake Michigan near St. Joseph a torpedo +shaped object that was shiney and silver. It was stationary when +first observed and then it moved away to the N.E. at an instant high +rate of speed and it was out of sight in two to three seconds. No +estimate of size, no sound, estimated altitude was 2,000 feet, and +it was observed in a stationary position for two to three minutes +before it took off. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 123 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: PARK RIDGE, IL + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 16 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0450 HOURS + DURATION: 02: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + --------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed a cigar shaped object with no wings and leaving +a trail, white in color. Estimated size as they saw it was one inch +by five inches. Estimated altitude was 1,500 feet. Observed for one +to two minutes. Flew S.E. to N.W. + --------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1108.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1108.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a7e402ca --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1108.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1108 + +PART 25 + + Report #: 124 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: MAPLE VALLEY, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 01 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2230 HOURS + DURATION: 50: SECONDS +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: INFORMATION SERVICE + ---------------------------------------- +Witness, Rebecca Mills, reported that her son, Christopher (eight +years old) first observed the object in the sky and then herself and +her husband also observed the object that looked like a star and was +at a 45 degree angle. It was smaller than a dime but a good average +size star. There was not sound. It moved on a linear path but not +straight. It went back and forth but still going in the same direction, +wiggling. It was a bright light and had no colors. They were facing +S.W. when observing the light and the light was heading N.E. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 125 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Subject: RENTON, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 03 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 0330 - 0400 HOURS + DURATION: 05: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: INFORMATION SERVICE + --------------------------------------- +Bob Manil observed what looked at first like a meteor or shooting +star but went at different speeds and would go zigzag. Sometimes +it would come a little closer and get a little brighter but never +close enough to let him see the shape only that it looked like a star. +He observed it for five minutes as it headed north. One other witness +also observed the light for about 30 seconds. Sometimes the light +would come to a complete stop and then continue. + --------------------------------------- + + Report #: 151 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-01-1986 + Subject: CLAY COUNTY, TN + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 8 JULY 1986 + TIME: NIGHT + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: 200 + + SOURCE: CELINA, TENN. (AP) + ---------------------------------------- +Residents in this rural town along the Tennessee Kentucky border say +an unidentified object hovered over a local softball game and has made +several other appearances in the past week. + +The craft was first sighted by about 200 people at the softball game +on Tuesday, said Donaid Napier, publisher of the local newspaper. +The Clay Citizen. + +It was making just a deafening noise...Out on the field, the umpires, +the pitcher, the batter and everybody just stoped what they were doing +and just looked straight up. It got everybody's attention, Napier +said. Witnesses said the object was 250 to 300 feet long, with an +octagonal shape at least four outside lights and a beacon at the center. +It looked just exactly like a jet plane and sounded like it was going +to crash. It was going down at about a 45 degree angle right toward +the river, he says. + +Clay County Sheriff's Department officals said they have had numerous +calls about reported sighting since Tuesday. Dwight Goolsby, owner +of a local restaurant said he saw the craft, It had one big white +light spotlight-like on each side shining down on the ground. He said +you could see real good on the ground. It was just sitting there, +then it eased off over the horizon. + +Melba Burch, of the Chamber of Commerce, said the craft passed over +her home. It sounded mighty darn low. She said my husband's worked +around planes and I've been around planes all my life. This wasn't +any light plane that came over my house. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 152 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-04-1986 + Subject: BLENHEIM, NJ + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 28 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2100 HOURS + DURATION: 2 1/2: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Witness stated he didn't see any figure, he couldn't make it out. +What he saw was a bright light, an amber colored light up about +40 - 50,000 feet at about 9:00 p.m. He saw it for about 2 1/2 minutes. +Another witness saw the last 20 - 30 seconds of it. The night was +crystal clear and the light was moving real fast, incredibly fast, +faster than a fighter leaving a vapor trail. He was really amazed +by maneuvers it made and the remarkable turns it made. It was above +them for a while. Made maneuvers half a dozen times. Some were pure +90 degree turns. Seemed to slow down and stop a little, hesitate +and then move and make a turn. Made zigzags. First came from north +and went south then went west and hovered then moved few zigzags and +then as it came towards then it made really sharp turn then headed +back toward west and out of sight. Maintained the same color the +whole time. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 153 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-04-1986 + Subject: TALLAHASEE, FL + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 31 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2086 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +At 8:26 p.m. witness took his trash out to the dumpster and as he +was walking back he observed a light about twice the size of a star. +It did some amazing things, very quick. It first zigzaged coming +from north then went east stopped and came towards him then bolted +west then east and west again and disappeared. He went in the house +and told his wife and when they came back outside there were two jet +con trails that apparently were following the same thing. Tryed +locally to find out what it was but was unsuccessful. Very sharp +maneuvers and felt that it could out maneuver any jet. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1109.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1109.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1c6b2935 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1109.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1109 + +PART 26 + + Report #: 154 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-04-1986 + Subject: NEW STANTON, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - PT - NL + DATE: 02 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2100 HOURS + DURATION: 30 - 40: SECONDS +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: PASU PA.HOTLINE 412-838-7768 +----------------------------------------- +A number of cars on US route 119 observed what they thought was an +aircraft coming down out of the sky and looked like it was going to +make a crash landing in the middle of the highway. Cars coming from +both directions observed it. It had green lights, six to eight lights, +larger than normal navigational lights, none flashing. Observed for +30-40 seconds then from each direction there was like a bend coming +around and right at the spot where they lost sight of it. When they +all came around the bend the hillside was on fire indicating that +it had crashed on a real steep embankment. People stopped on both +sides of the road to climb up the embankment to put out the fire thinking +that an airplane had crashed, but there was no crash and the object +just disappeared. There was a nine foot diameter fire on top of the +hill. The report went into Emergency Service as an airplane crash. +They went up on the hill the next day and found two burnt circles, +samples have been taken and are presently at the lab. What was unusual +about it was the fire was put out very quickly but after 15 hours +of the incident the area where the fire had been still had warm stones +but outside that area the stones were cold. One witness was coming +from California and was an air traffic controller. He stated he would +sign a statement stating that what he saw was not a conventional aircraft +and it was double tiered object with eight to ten green lights and +whatever it was was not a normal aircraft. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 155 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-08-1986 + Subject: VANDERBILT, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - RV + DATE: 9 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 21:40 HOURS + DURATION: 03: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: PASU ORGANIZATION GREENSBURG,PA +----------------------------------------- +Sighting in Vanderbilt in Fayette County, Western Penslvania. + +Three witnesses reported observing while on route 201 at 9:40 p.m. +a bright white mass of light hovering over a field. + +The witnesses stated that it was about 100 feet away from them. They +said then that they observed two small balls of light detach or unfasten +them self from the larger object but moved along with it. + +The witnesses said, that then the object made two passes over the +car at approximately 700 feet altitude. They said it then move N.E. +and they observed it for about three minutes also while watching they +said the object was emitting white sparks. + +The witnesses stated that while they were observing the object, that +they heard alot of interference on they FM radio static. This case +is under study by the PASU Organization in Penslvania. the PASU Hot +Line is (412) 838-7768 + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 156 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-13-1986 + Subject: QUINCY, MA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 29 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 01:42 HOURS + DURATION: 40 SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing a cigar shaped object. + +The witness stated: that the object he sighted had a greenish glow +around it, and said: that it was approximately 30 feet long and 4 +feet tall. + +The witness stated: that he observed the object pass under the long +island bridge. The distance from the object to the witness was +approximately 40 yards away from him. Also he said the altitude of +the object was about 10 feet and when first seen was coming from +the north. + +He stated; after it went under the bridge it then headed east. The +witness said: he view this sighting for approximately 40 seconds. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 157 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-13-1986 + Subject: DORSET, VT + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 2 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 03:30 HOURS + DURATION: 02:MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Three witnesses reported observing five objects. + +The witnesses stated: the objects appeared to have flashing red lights +on them. They said: that the objects were of a large mass, also they +said: that they felt vibrations that they believed were caused by +the objects. + +The witnesses stated: that they heard humming sounds coming from these +objects. The sighting only lastst approximately two minutes and that +the five objects were fairly high. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1110.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1110.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..738a9c97 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1110.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1110 + +PART 27 + + Report #: 158 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: CRIDERSVILLE, OH + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL & DS + DATE: 12 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2401 HOURS + DURATION: 01: MINUTE +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a luminous object two different times +the approximate size of a full moon. The first sighting was seen +at a distance with no sound. The second sighting was seen later in +the morning on the way to work and was approximately one mile away. +Each sighting was under one minute. In both cases the object was seen +in western sky moving west to north. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 159 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: INDIANAPOLIS, IN + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 13 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 1850 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Daylight sighting. Two witnesses observed a reddish, yellowish hamburger +shaped object moving from south to north at a fairly low altitude. +There was no sound. The object took evasive action away from an +airliner and then took off. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 160 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: WAPATO & ZILLAH, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 04 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0525 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO OR MORE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Two sightings were reported, one in each city one right after the +other. The first was spotted in Wapato and described as being a red +light moving in the direction of Zillah. When the light was out of +sight they called the police department of Zillah who spotted it coming +their way. Out of the red light came some other kind of object in +Zillah. The second object was also seen in Wapato but not as good +as in Zillah. The second object was described as roundish and oblongish +with colored lights, half the size of a football field. The object +moved directly overhead and it moved across the clear sky blanking +out the stars where it went while passing. This was seen in Zillah +only. The estimated altitude as it moved overhead was one mile and +was under observation for two minutes juts moved out of sight with +no sound of any kind. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 161 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: PORTLAND, OR + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DD + DATE: 06 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0200 HOURS + DURATION: 30: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed a disc shaped object about the size of a football +field and seen at a distance of about 600 feet, tree top level. They +heard no sound. Watched the object for 30 minutes while it was hovering +at that altitude which appeared to be over an area where they were +building a lot of new homes. They just went to bed. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 162 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: ALBANY, OR + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 24 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2123 HOURS + DURATION: 20: SECONDS +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed a bright light in a angular descent which went +out of sight at the horizon then bounced up above the horizon very +rapidly and at a fast speed estimated to be 2500 to 3000 miles per +hour, moved to southeast and left no trail. No sound was heard. +Estimated time of observation was 20 seconds. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 163 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: SACRAMENTO, CA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 27 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: NIGHT + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Sighting specifically reported over the Rancho Sacco Nuclear plant. +Two ladies on their way to work at the plant observed a tremendously +large triangular shaped object with bright spot lights on the underside +which seemed to be searching operated and maneuvered directly over +the nuclear plant. No estimate of distance other than close. On +the following night, 8/28/86, the same two people were on their way +to work and observed six of these objects maneuvering over the plant. +Almost in a wide circle with the same identification and description. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1111.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1111.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..77b99c08 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1111.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO service Reports FILE: UFO1111 + +PART 28 + + Report #: 164 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: FLORISSANT, MO + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 06 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0229 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FOUR + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Four witnesses reported observing two large spheres streaking across +the sky at a fast speed surrounded with a yellowish glowing light +with no sound or trail. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 165 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: METCALF, IL + +CASE TYPE: CE II - PT + DATE: 04 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: NIGHT + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +One witness reported he heard a very loud noise out in the farm yard. +Said he had a very large farm cart, large metal trailer type thing +with metal bed and something was shaking it violently making an awful +lot of noise and then the yard light went out suddenly, he went back +into the house and got his rifle and fired in the air, the noise stopped +and then the yard light came back on. The following morning he went +out to the area around this cart or trailer and found circular impressions +in the ground which went across the field as though something was +walking across the field. He is 6 feet 4 inches and weights 230 lbs. +and he says he could not have made the same kind of indentation on +the ground. The it was so hard and the strides exceeded any that +he could even stretch out to. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 166 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: RENTON, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 11 SEPTEMBER 2986 + TIME: 2215 HOURS + DURATION: 03 - 05: SECONDS +WITNESSES: FOUR + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Four witnesses observed a triangular shaped object in the northwest +sky moving north to south at a very high rate of speed. It had an +orange white glow on each of the three tips. No trail was left. +Estimated size of about 747 flying at 30,000 feet. No sound. Observed +for 3-5 seconds. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 167 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: BEAUMONT, TX + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 13 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0120 HOURS + DURATION: 02: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a triangular shaped object, orange +in color, approximately 20X20, no sound, distance 300 feet, altitude +200 feet, time of observation 2 minutes. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 168 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: LIVERMORE, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 13 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0500 HOURS + DURATION: 04: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +One witness observed a diamond shaped object with colored lights plus +one large bright white light with no sound. He drove under the object +which was hovering directly over the city of Livermore at altitude +of about 400 feet. Duration of observation of four minutes. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 169 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-15-1986 + Subject: MIAMISBURG, OH + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 14 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0240 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +One witness reported observing a very big bright object in a perfect +vertical descent, round in shape, coming down out of the sky. Had +under observation until it disappeared behind the trees on the horizon. +No sound was heard. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1112.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1112.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d27a449f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1112.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1112 + +PART 29 + + Report #: 170 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-17-1986 + Subject: MENDON, MI + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 05 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 22:00 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +A witness reported observing a V shaped object. + +She stated: while driving down the road going towards Mendon, a +triangle shaped object hovered over her car. + +The witness said: when she looked up at it, she could see the bottom +of the object, and said it had alot of lights on it. She also said +at this time while the object was hovering over her car, that she +felt very light headed. + +The witness stated: at this time the object seemed to have left the +area, and she started for home. + +This was not an isolated case. At approximately 12:50 - 09/06/1986 +the witnesses father was on his way home near Mendon, and he also +reported observing an object. He stated: the object was circular in +shape and said: the object was off to the side of the road when he +first observed it and that it was stationary or hovering over a pasture. +When he got home his daughter said: that her eyes were burnt also. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 171 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: OMAHA, NE + +CASE TYPE: CE II - EM + DATE: 6 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 0200 HOURS + DURATION: 30: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: PAUL SHEPHERD, UFOCL +----------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing an object or UFO hovering about +100 feet off the ground. + +The witnesses stated: that the object was over a mile in diameter. +They also described or said that there was an antenna on the bottom +of the object which appeared to be draining power from the street +lights. + +The witnesses stated: that the object had blue amber red yellow and purple +lights all over the outer structure. + +They also said: several smaller objects or discs were observed coming +in and out of the larger object. A high pitch bassoon sound was heard +the witnesses said. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 172 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: GREENSBORO, NC. + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 12 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 2050 HOURS + DURATION: LESS THAN MINUTE +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- +Airliner traveling from Dulles, DC airport to Jacksonville, Florida. +Pilot and co-pilot both observed a delta wing shaped object with what +appeared to be small objects flying at an altitude of about 21,000 +feet. They watched them as they came towards them and then passed +under the airliner probably at 1,000 feet beneath them. Estimated +size was just large. Said it was really smoking. They called radar +& asked what just went by them and radar said they saw nothing up +there with them. Duration was less than one minute and was directly +over Greensboro, NC. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 173 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: N. HOLLYWOOD, CA. + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 13 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 2050 HOURS + DURATION: 04 - 05: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: BILL MOORE +----------------------------------------- +At 8:20 p.m. northwest of north Hollywood, California toward direction +of Van Nuys a X shaped object strobbing red and blue was observed. +First sighted by witness from side of building and then went up on +roof with binoculars. Rested binoculars on steady surface and observed +that object was definitely moving up and down in a zigzag fashion. +Duration was 4-5 minutes. Went out of sight to northwest and with +no sound. + ---------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1113.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1113.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a021ec9e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1113.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1113 + +PART 30 + + Report #: 174 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: LIMA, OH. + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 10 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0430 HOURS + DURATION: 10 - 15: SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: NEWS, LIMA, OH +----------------------------------------- +An offical of the Center for UFO Studies is seeking information from +anyone who might have seen a phenomenon similar to one reported by +a Lima man. + +Arley Taylor said he was making deliveries to Scot Lad Foods Inc., +1100 Prosperity Road, at 4:30 a.m. today when he saw an orange light +in the sky, "that was the size of a grapefruit and darted about like +a hummingbird for about 10 to 15 seconds, then disappeared." + +Taylor, 55, of 1030 Cornell Drive, reported the sighting to Lima's +John Timmerman, vice president of the Center for UFO Studies in +Glenview, Ill. Taylor said he studied the sky as he continued on his +delivery route, but didn't see the object again. Taylor works for +Service American Corp., 1251 N. Cole St. + +The light was in the northwest, apparently some 200 feet above the +ground, and could be seen against the overcast sky, said Taylor. + +Timmerman asked that anyone who might have seen a similar phenomenon +today contact him in writing at P.O. Box 1621, Lima. + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 175 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: WIKIEUP, AZ + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 10 JULY 1986 + TIME: EARLY MORNING + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: ARIZONA REPUBLIC, PHOENIX, AZ +----------------------------------------- +WIKIEUP - The Arizona Department of Public Safety said the people +were sober and on their way to, not from, Las Vegas. The motorists +reported an an other- worldly light on the western horizon followed +their car as they traveled toward Las Vegas shortly before dawn Thursday. + +However, an expert on heavenly bodies said later Thursday that the +light probably was nothing more than the planet Mars. + +A member of a group that compiles reports of UFO sightings does not +agree. + +At this point, officers of the DPS don't really care what it was. +They are tired of all the hoopla. + +A motorist, who DPS spokesman Alan Schmidt said wants to remain anonymous, +told an officer that she, another adult and her two sons were driving +to Las Vegas, Nev., on U.S. 93 early Thursday when she and her sons +spotted a strange orange light that hovered above the western horizon +and appeared to follow the car as it traveled north. + +The object was said to "pulsate like a star" and was described as +appearing "about twice as bright and twice as big as a star." + +Patrolman Veronica Minch, Schmidt said, had spotted the object earlier. + +"She thought little of it and went on about her business," Schmidt said. + +"Meanwhile, down the road, these people see it." + +The DPS phoned Nellis Air Force Base, near Las Vegas, "to see if any +rockets or balloons had been launched," Schmidt said. "They said +they had no activity like that." + ---------------------------------------- + + Report #: 176 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: BON HARBOR HILLS, KY + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 17 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 2300 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FIVE + SOURCE: MESSENGER-INQUIRER, OWENSBORO, KY + -------------------------------------- +On the night of June 17, Karl Brown, Marty Patterson, Joey and Robbie +Butler and Terry Guggisberg were in Bon Harbor Hills about 11 p.m. +when two single lights similar to stars appeared in the west. The +lights attracted their attention because of the slow movement eastward, +which they first thought might be airplanes. But the lights moved +toward Rockport, Ind. and disappeared without a sound, and there were +no flashing lights or colored wing lights that appear on planes at +night. + +About 15 minutes later another pair of lights appeared in the northwest +and traveled eastward. These lights seemed to pause occasionally. + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1114.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1114.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..85cae764 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1114.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1114 + +PART 31 + + Report #: 177 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: SONOMA, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 06 JULY 1986 + TIME: 0515 HOURS + DURATION: 15: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: INDEX-TRIBUNE, SONOMA, CA. + -------------------------------------- +Sightings of strange flying objects have become more frequent in these +parts since late May when a California Highway Patrol officer spotted +a peculiar light in the sky during the wee hours of the morning. + +But last weekend, not only did Sonoman Joan Burtson observe an unusual +flying object - this one toyed with her and followed her car for several +blocks before finally giving up and going away. + +The head nurse at a local convalescent hospital dismesses the notion +that the bright object in the dawn sky which taunted her for some +15 minutes was a space ship carting around some alien beings. + +"I don't believe in them," she emphatically states. "I don't know +what it was but I don't believe in UFO's. Burtson will acknowledge +that in the last few weeks she has heard numerous rumors of UFO sightings +in Sonoma Valley. + +For instance, an acquaintance on Eighth Street East reported that +ever since the CHP officer saw the strange light two months ago +"that thing has been hanging around here." + +However, Burtson's description and that of the CHP patrolman are vastly +different leading one to believe there are several odd things hovering +around up there. + +What was seen on the early morning of May 21 was a bright orange "X" +shaped object heading at a high rate of speed over the Valley to Petaluma. + +The only similarity with Saturday's unexplained illuminating object +was that both were apparently headed in the same direction over the +hill to Petaluma. + +Burtson remembers it as a "solid mass of white light, it was circular +about the size of an apple. + +"There were no colors and it was not flashing." she recalls. Burtson's +curious find took place at 5:15 a.m. as she was on her way home from +Napa after dropping her husband Pat off at work. + +She initially noticed the stationary light in the vicinity of Eighth +Street East and Napa Road. Later as she approached Leveroni Road +from Fifth Street West the flying object moved along with her and +made the same right turn. + +She subsequently made three U turns and each time the object would +seemingly use its remote control to reverse its course also. + +"I thought to myself this is weird so I made three U turns to test +it out," she says. + +On occasion, the UFO would become obscured by the trees but almost +the entire way home, no matter what Burtson would do " it would move +right along with me," she laughs. + +Finally, the flying object, for whatever reason, decided the game +of cat and mouse was over and it headed towards the Diamond A area, +disappearing over the hill. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 178 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: ONEIDA, KY + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 08 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FIVE & MORE + SOURCE: ENTERPRISE, MANCHESTER, KY + -------------------------------------- +Roosevelt Spurlock was relaxing on the front porch of his Oneida Home. +Mary Helton was at her Countryside Restaurant. Margy Turner was also +finishing up her duties at the restaurant. Vernon Stidham was at +his Red Bird home. + +Still, they all said they seen it. A large square object with red +lights, windows, hovering just above the big hills in Bullskin. + +What these four people saw as well as many more Oneidians Tuesday +night has this small calm, peaceful mountain town in a complete uproar +Wednesday morning. + +Air traffic controllers at the London Airport say it must have been +a large plane... possibly a B-52 flying a low altitude. + +However, Roosevelt Spurlock, a forest ranger with the Peabody Ranger +Station says what he saw was no plane because he has seen a lot of +planes in his day. + +Mary Helton swears what she saw was no plane. "I saw it and it was +very big, scary, and square with windows," said the Oneida restaurant +owner. + +"It was the scariest thing I have ever encountered" said Spurlock. +"I was sitting on my front porch and it came over the Bullskin mountains +barely cutting the mountaintops. + +It had two front redlights and two back red lights. It was square +and large and it scared me," said the forestry man. + +"It just made this loud earpiercing sound, sort of like a whistling +sound" said Helton. + +"This thing circled and came back traveling at a very slow speed," +said Spurlock, "and no plane could go that slow." + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1115.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1115.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..adbee651 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1115.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service reports FILE: UFO1115 + +PART 32 + + Report #: 179 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: STURGEON BAY, WI + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 29 JULY 1986 + TIME: 2345 HOURS + DURATION: 01: HOUR +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: DOOR CO. ADVOCATE, STURGEON BAY, WI + -------------------------------------- +Last night (July 29) at 11:45 I looked out at the stars and saw a +very bright light above the lake. I watached it flash through the +trees. It was about four times the size of a star. About an hour +later after it shot flashes and was very bright, it came into the +clear sky. Above it was an object that hovered over it. This was +at least 20 times larger. The smaller object dipped continually +always going back to the space it occupied. After an hour of this +behavior they moved to the right and the larger object went to the +side - a distance apart. It was steady but the smaller one still +dipped. At a little after 2 a.m. when the large one went above the +small one the one on top sped away to the right. The little one made +dips but kept on lowering itself. A dark cloud covered it and +then were both gone. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 180 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: VALHALLA, NY + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 10 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: CITIZEN REGISTER, OSSINING, NY + -------------------------------------- +Ray Nethercott saw a "big hot dog" fly by his Valhalla home Thursday +night. "It was weird," the 18 year old said "It was going pretty slow +and had lots of lights on it." + +Alison Yuri, 20, of Fishkill was driving through Ossining on Route 9 +when she saw something hovering over her car. + +"My boyfriend saw it first," she said. "It was rounder than a hot +dog and had about 20 white lights and two red lights on it." + +Nethercott and Ms. Yuri were among dozens of people along the Hudson +River in Westchester County and in New Jersey who called police +departments and local airports to report strange lights flying along +the river. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 181 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: DETROIT, MI + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 12 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: NEWS, DETROIT, MI + -------------------------------------- +It moved ever so slowly through the night sky like a glowing, spiraling, +one- armed pinwheel. + +Wherever it came from, whatever it was, the UFO gave 110 Metro Detroit +stargazers more than they bargained for Tuesday night. + +It also spawned hundreds of calls of inquiry around the country Wednesday +after sightings of the mysterious object elsewhere in Michigan and +in nearly every other state east of the Mississippi. + +Residents of Kentucky's Clark County, east of Lexington, heard a boom +accompany the show. + +"Some people said they saw great big ball of fire," said Clark County +Deputy Larry Lawson. "The people said their homes shook and windows +vibrated as if there had been an explosion or earthquake, but it was +just for just a very few seconds. They said the whole sky lit up. + +"All these people weren't imagining or seeing things. Some of them +were very terrified over it right after it happened. Some said they +smelled something like gunpowder." + +The object was seen by Detroit skywatchers who had gathered at the +Troy Outdoor Education Center's farm for an outdoor lecture and a +look at the annual Perseid meteor shower. The campfire was blazing +and marsh-mallows were roasting when suddenly one of the attendees +stood up, pointed up into the southeast sky and shouted, "What is +that?" + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 182 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: EBENSBURG, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 12 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2200 - 2207 HOURS + DURATION: 01: MINUTE +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT, JOHNSTOWN, PA + -------------------------------------- +Researchers are scratching their heads, perplexed at an unusual sighting +by apparently thousands of people over the eastern United States shortly +after 10 a.m. Tuesday. + +Nancy Miller of Ebensburg was among those taking advantage of a clear +night to watch for shooting stars. + +Mrs. Miller was looking high in the sky when she caught a glimpse +of something moving at the bottom of her vision. At first, she thought +it was an airplane. But she saw a bright light, then a light that +appeared to come out of the first one in swirls that she described +as almost cloudlike. + +"It was moving toward me," she said. "I was ready to go into the +house to call +my husband and son when my son came out and he saw it too. + +"While we were standing there looking, it slowly changed - like three +lights in sort of a long thin cloud. It became cloudlike and slowly +went away, becoming fainter until we couldn't see it." + +At first, Mrs. Miller said, the object seemed far away, but it moved +quite rapidly toward her. From start to finish, she estimated, the +sighting took no more than a minute. + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1116.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1116.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1a076963 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1116.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1116 + +PART 33 + + Report #: 183 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Subject: GRASS VALLEY, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 05 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0500 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: (PAPER UNKNOWN),CA-CR:MUFON + -------------------------------------- +Grass Valley - A silent but colorful flying object zoomed across the +sky over the Sierra foothills just before dawn Friday, according to +some local residents who witnessed the brief event. + +U.S. air defense officials said they had no explanation. "It was a +bluish-green light with a large tail," said Ron Talmage, a security +officer who was nearing the end of a night shift when he saw the +unidentified object. + +"It had little pieces flaking off of it like it was coming down," +he said. "Working nights, I see meteorites, little ones, all the time. +This was spectacular and it seemed like it was just a few miles away." + +The blaze of color, reported by most observers to have occurred just +before 5 a.m., was seen over a 40-mile area ranging from Colfax to +Penn Valley. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 184 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: LAKE, MI + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DD + DATE: 13 JULY 1986 + TIME: 12:30 HOURS + DURATION: 03:SECONDS +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------- +Three witnesses, a man, wife and child reported observing a flying +object. + +The witnesses stated: that their observrd this object thru binoculars +and said that the object was shaped like a torpedo. + +The witnesses stated: that it was shiny with no markings and that +it moved at what was described as an awesome speed. + +They said: that it disappeared while heading N.E. in approximately +three seconds. The witnesses stated: that they estimated the altitude +of the object to be at approximately or about 2,000 feet. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 185 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: VANDERBILT, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 07 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2140 HOURS + DURATION: 03: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: STAN GORDON, P.A.S.U., PA + -------------------------------------- +A woman and her two daughters were traveling on route 201 between +Connellsville and Vanderbilt on the left side of the road there was +a field and a bright mass of light. Within the light there were two +separate balls of light and sparks falling from this mass. When they +first saw it in the field the objects were 100 feet away from their +car and a couple of hundred feet off the ground. As they moved down +the road the object moved directly over the front of their car to +the right. As they continued down the road the object came back and +passed over the car a second time in front and then as they kept moving +down the road the object passed them and went straight ahead and up +on the hill in the distance and disappeared. The object was observed +for about three minutes. They said they had the local FM radio station +on which is always very clear, but at the time the object was seen +it was so full of static they could not hear it. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 186 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: SCOTTDALE, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 08 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2200 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: STAN GORDON, P.A.S.U., PA + -------------------------------------- +One witness observed as he was taking a walk at about 10:00 pm a bright +orange oval shaped light with three white lights around it at tree +top level which was hovering. He ran up the street and got another +person to observe with him. They watched the object slowly come down +in a falling leaf manner. At this point it looked like a big orange +vertical football. It came down until it appeared to be only a couple +of feet from the ground. They watched it for another minute or two +and then suddenly there was a brilliant flash of bright light and +then the object acsended into the sky and was gone in a few seconds. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 187 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: SCOTTDALE, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 09 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0530 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: STAN GORDON, P.A.S.U., PA + -------------------------------------- +Two witnesses observed, in the same area as report made on 9/8/86 +at 10:00 pm, a bright white object shining a beam of light down in +another farm right in the same immediate area for a very short period +of time. + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1117.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1117.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d13e2e13 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1117.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1117 + +PART 34 + + Report #: 188 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: CRABTREE, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 01 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 2020 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: STAN GORDON, P.A.S.U., PA + -------------------------------------- +Witness observed while driving on route 119 between Crabtree and +Greensburg a brilliant orange flash in the sky. Said it started in +one part of the sky and moved until it covered a large portion of +sky like a blanket. Described it as a brilliant blanket of light, +gone as fast as it appeared. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 189 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-19-1986 + Subject: PITTSBURG, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - EM + DATE: 08 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 1840 HOURS + DURATION: 03-04: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: STAN GORDON, P.A.S.U., PA + -------------------------------------- +Two witnesses were watching news when suddenly a lot of thick black +lines of interference appeared on their TV. They looked around the +house for the cause and finally went outside. They saw two square +shaped lights in the sky, not very far from them so as they could +make out the shapes. Up higher in the sky at the same time there +were about 8-10 of the same type of goldish white squarish objects. +They were moving very, very slowly in a wide spread formation towards +Monroeville. They watched for 3-4 minutes until they could no longer +see them. Their TV picutre came back clear when they could no longer +see the objects. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 190 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-22-1986 + Subject: PARK RIDGE, IL + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DD + DATE: 16 JULY 1986 + TIME: 16:50 HOURS + DURATION: 02:MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER + -------------------------------------- +Two witnesses reported observing a U.F.O. Unidentified Flying Object. + +The witnesses stated: that the object was moving at approximately +400 to 500 miles an hour. + +They stated: that the object had No wings and No exhaust and said +that it was much longer than wide. + +The witnesses stated: that the altitude of this object was approximately +or about 20,000 feet and that it did not reflect sunlight. They observed +this Unidentified object for approximatelt or the duration was two +minutes. + +The witnesses at the time of the sighting a couple were in a swimming +pool. They said: that it was something strange. The witnesses stated: +that then the object disappeared in some very high cumulus clouds. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 191 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-20-1986 + Subject: SOUTH UNION TOWNSHIP, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DD + DATE: 14 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 17:10 HOURS + DURATION: 07: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE - TOTAL + SOURCE: PASU - GREENSBURG, PA + -------------------------------------- +Sighting in South Union Township, (near Hopwood), Penna. + +Saturday, Nov 14, 1986 5:10 p.m. Witnesses names witheld. + +Observer reported seeing a silver cigar shaped object while watching +a jet pass over head. Object was slightly below jet aircraft when +seen. Object hovered for a short while before putting on a burst +of speed to catchup with the jet. + +Observer watched both untill out of sight. About four minutes after +first sighting a second black object was seen in the same place the +first was originaally spotted. Object had long black fuselage with +stubby wings that looked too short to support it. + +Object dropped slowly to a low altitude, then put on a burst of speed +moving toward the Uniontown direction. Two other witnesses observed +the second object. Witness speculates that second object may have +been dropped by the first object. Length of sighting or duration +7 minutes. Information supplied to CUFON by Mr. Stan Gordon, Director, +PASU, Greensburg, PA. Hot line number is: (412) 838 - 7768 + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 192 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-26-1986 + Subject: LOS ANGELES, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS NL + DATE: 24 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: KRLA RADIO STATION + -------------------------------------- +Individual on morning of November 25 was driving to hospital and got +caught in traffic jam so turned on radio to listen for possible alternative +routes. While listening he heard a report about a sighting the night +before witnessed by thousands of people. They reported a multi colored +object that went from south to north. Many calls were made to the +police. An astronomer was also called and he stated that it could +have been a meteor. + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1118.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1118.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..76fc1e5b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1118.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1118 + +PART 35 + + Report #: 193 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-26-1986 + Subject: PHOENIX, AZ + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 15 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2405 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: SEVEN + SOURCE: CENTER FOR UFO RESEARCH + -------------------------------------- +Seven witnesses stepped out on the front porch and observed a strange +light very high and going very fast in the sky. They saw a triangular +shaped craft which they said appeared to be flying on its side. They +actually saw the triangular shape facing them as it went by. The +triangle had say 120 degrees on the wide angle and then 230 degrees. +It was flying very smooth. They said it had the smoothness of a balloon, +low on the horizon. It disappeared after going across the sky in +about 10 seconds. In that time it did about a 40 degree arc. It +was a white light with very tiny white lights all over the triangle +shape. Was moving from northwest to southwest toward area called +South Mountain. There was no wind at all. If they put their arms +out the object was about 2 1/2 thumbs width size. They said the lights +on it did not seem to be projecting out from it but almost looked +like window lights, like lights coming from within. All witnesses +were college graduates and professionals. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 194 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 11-26-1986 + Subject: CHICAGO, IL + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 12 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 1030 - 1345 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: CENTER FOR UFO RESEARCH + -------------------------------------- +One witness, a driver for a messenger service, was driving down highway +53 south bound and looked up because he thought he saw something that +looked like a helicopter and then realized it wasn't a helicopter +and thought it was a balloon because it looked kind of floating. +People were pulled over to the side of the road. He pulled over and +couldn't talk to the other people as they were on the other side of +the express way. Everyone was looking at the object. He said it was +shaped like a horseshoe, the legs were thicker than the top of the +horseshoe and it was round side up and had like a little nob at the +top. He said it was two or three times larger than a helicopter would +be. Floating up in the clouds it seemed like it was slowly rotating +around. He said it seemed like it was behaving like a balloon. When +it was facing the sun it had a reddish color. It seemed like it was +in tatters from on leg. Then for about two or three minutes there +was a group of smaller objects, about 25-30 objects, flying around +the larger object. The smaller objects were the thickness of the +legs or larger, about 5-6 feet across. About 1/2 width of thumb. +When the object got closer to him it was harder to distinguish the +shape of the large object and easier for smaller objects. He drove +about 4 minutes away and looked back again and it was gone. He called +Addison police three days later and a women dispatcher answered and +he asked if there had been any reports of anyone seeing anything going +along highway 53 on September 12, 1986 around noon or so and she sounded +very excited and asked him to hold on a minute. While waiting he +heard a mans on the line saying switch him over to number such and +such. At this point he felt paranoid. Then she came back on the +phone and asked him to continue on so he asked again if anybody had +seen anything and she said no they hadn't. He said in that case never +mind and hung up. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 195 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-01-1986 + Subject: WINCHESTER, VA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 25 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2310 HOURS + DURATION: 05: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO RESEARCH CENTER + -------------------------------------- +Near Winchester, Virginia two witnesses were driving along highway +671 and they spotted two white bright lights, very large, very bright, +in the distance. Witness stopped the truck to watch them. When the +truck stopped the lights started to move. They approached the truck +and stopped directly overhead. Witness looked up and could see a big +circular object with colored lights. The object remained stationary +for several minutes at an altitude of about 200 yards with no sound. +The object was described as being very big. The witness driving decided +it was no place to be and took off driving at speeds up to 80 and +90 mph and the object had no problem keeping up with them. The object +was slightly to the drivers side and after about five minutes the +object swerved to the right, passed directly over the truck and sped +away. + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1119.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1119.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6b9e0039 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1119.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1119 + +PART 36 + + Report #: 196 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-01-1986 + Subject: BURIEN, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 30 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0155 HOURS + DURATION: 30 - 45: SECONDS +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: CUFON - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + -------------------------------------- +John Williams of KIRO television called CUFON - UFO Information Service +with a report that he had received from a witness near Burien, WA. +The witness reported seeing some kind of object in the southern sky +coming at him with smoke coming out the back of it and appeared to +break apart. There was one light and it then broke off in like 4-5 +different off shoots with smoke on each one. The witness and his +mom with several others said it appeared to be a parachute that went +right over their heads, but it was moving very very quickly. The +metal object with a parachute on it went over their heads and the +other off shoot pieces went in different directions. What appeared +to be a parachute the witness did not think was as it went over his +head very very fast. John Williams also stated that after receiving +the report he called the Sea-Tac duty officer at FAA and he said that +it could have been in cloud lightning because there were no military +aircraft in the area at that time. + +CUFON - UFO Information Service then called the witness to get his +direct report. The witness stated that he was over at his parents +when he saw a bright light coming out of the south. He thought it +was one of the lights from a jet coming into the airport at first +as they are right by the airport, but realized it couldn't be because +the Sea-Tac Burien airport would be farther to the east. Then his +mom came out and he pointed it out and her description of it was the +best, she described it as a sparkler where you are looking at the +center of it with smoke coming off it. As the bright light started +dimming you could still see the smoke. It seemed to break up and +he lost track of all the other pieces save one. It looked as if they +had flown off it. The one big piece came sailing out and it looked +like a parachute with something on the end of it heading from south +to north slightly northeast over their heads at what seemed like an +incredible velocity. It looked, shape wise, like a parachute. The +fact that it seemed to be going so fast made him think it had to be +some kind of space craft or something. He never saw it descend, it +just shot across the sky. Observation was 30-45 seconds. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 197 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-01-1986 + Subject: CULVER CITY, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 21 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2340 - 2345 HOURS + DURATION: 05-07: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: CUFON - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE + -------------------------------------- +One witness reported seeing over her street, LaSalle, an object that +the nose of it looked like a boomerang with a pyramid bottom. It +was a very windy and particularly clear night and when she looked +to the north she saw a formation coming towards her and her first +impression was that it was a flock of birds and then as it got closer +it looked like a formation of stars. They had a luminous glow to +them and they didn't look like head lamps or anything like that. +As it came closer she noticed there were more lights going across +the bottom of it like a stingray - solid at least underneath and she +could not see through it. As it came towards her the lights shut +off in the center and only the outline was left on. Stayed there +for about 5-7 minutes watching. As it came over her it went further +up in the sky and it was weird as no light in the belly of it but +she could see a formation of it and what it looked like but it kept +fading in and out. The lights in the front of the object stayed on, +no noise. The object was much larger than any plane she has ever +seen from wing to wing. A boomerang has very wide angles from one +end to the other as the object did also, and the nose of the object +was not sharp. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 198 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: BAKERSFIELD, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 12 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: MERCURY NEWS, SAN JOSE, CA + -------------------------------------- +REDONDO BEACH - Andy Hoyt admits he has no proof - not anymore, at +least - that he witnessed the crash of an aircraft that may be the +Pentagon's most carefully guarded secret. + +His sister, Lisa, and her 16-year-old son, Joey, reportedly also saw +the plane, but both declined to discuss the alleged incident. Hoyt, +an unemployed Redondo Beach carpenter, says he snapped photographs +of the plane as it plummeted to the ground in the Sequoia National +Forest near Bakersfield. + +But the photographs were given to the Air Force, Hoyt says, and the +Air Force isn't talking. + +Defense experts, however, say Hoyt's description of what he claims +he saw that night fits the most educated guesses of the configuration +of the top secret F-19 stealth fighter - a plane the Air Force will +not confirm even exists. + +In a scenario that sounds like a science fiction movie, Hoyt says +he and two relatives saw something drop out of the sky and explode +into flames on the other side of a hill about a half-mile away. + +"It seemed like it was something other than an airplane, said Hoyt, +26, who was on a camping trip. "Believe it or not, I thought it was +a UFO." + +Whatever it was, he says, the military has been treating him royally +since he called Edwards Air Force Base when he returned home the following +Sunday evening and told the Air Force about the photographs. + +Hoyt says he and his party were driving east on state Highway 178 +about 15 miles northeast of Bakersfiled in the early morning hours +of July 12 when they pulled over for a brief rest. He was just climbing +back into his truck when he saw it. + +"All I saw were three red lights and a dark image behind them like +an upside-down triangle." Hoyt said, adding that each light was at +a point of the triangle. He said he pulled a camera from the dashboard +of the truck and managed to take two or three pictures before the +plane disappeared over the hill. + +Then, a pair of explosions "lit up the sky like it was daylight out." + +Contrary to published reports on the day of the accident, Hoyt says, +the aircraft did not explode before it crashed. At least one Air +Force source has been quoted as saying plane exploded in midair, which +could explain why the pilot, who was killed, was not able to eject +safetly. + +"It was definitely not on fire when it came down," Hoyt said. "Why +couldn't the guy eject?" + +After making sure the blaze was reported on an emergency roadside +phone, the party continued to its campground north of nearby Lake +Isabella. + +His call to Edwards upon returning home brought a sudden response +from the Air Force, Hoyt says. "They took my name and number and +within an hour someone had flown down here and talked to me," he said. + +"They didn't press me, but they wanted to see the film in my camera." + -------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1120.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1120.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9c8bfafd --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1120.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1120 + +PART 37 + +UFO INFO Service Reports 37 + Report #: 199 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: BAKERSFIELD, CA PG. 2 + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 12 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: MERCURY NEWS, SAN JOSE, CA + -------------------------------------- +The next day, the Air Force officers took Hoyt, his sister and nephew +to Hawthorne Municpal Airport, where they flew them to a command post +a few miles from the crash site, he says. The visitors were treated +to lunch, then driven back up the mountain road where Hoyt said he +saw the crash. + +"They wanted to know what the angle was when it came down," he said. +"They used some tool to measure something after we pointed at the +spot." + +After developing the film in Hoyt's camera, he says, the Air Force +returned two sets of enlarged prints of the family camping trip - +minus the frames that could have shown the descending aircraft. + +An Air Force officer who interviewed Hoyt and his relatives asked +them not to talk to anyone about what they saw, "but said he couldn't +force me," he said. + +The Air Force will confirm only that a plane crashed, killing its +pilot. It refuses to divulge what kind of aircraft, the base from +which it took off or its mission. + +Military guards armed with M-16 rifles have sealed off a large area +around the crash site. + +Back home in Redondo Beach, Hoyt says he feels a bit bewildered by +all the attention his claims have brought. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 200 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: GRANDVIEW, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 4 & 7 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0400, 2230 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: HERALD, GRANDVIEW, WA + -------------------------------------- +Grandview residents were among several people who reported seeing +unidentified flying objects on Thursday morning and Sunday evening. + +On Thursday, a Wapato policeman was the first to spot a UFO, about +4 a.m. The object travelled slowly, and was last seen near Prosser +about 6 a.m. It was described as large and changed colors. Although +small in the night sky, it was larger than a star or planet. + +An object brighter than a planet was spotted over the Rattlesnake Hills, +north of Grandview, on Sunday evening about 10:30 p.m. It changed +colors rapidly. A witness described it as alternating red and green, +and a ray of light seemed to be coming out the bottom. + -------------------------------------- + + Report #: 1 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-03-1986 + Location: VICTOR HARBOUR,AUSTRALIA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - CO + DATE: 25 MAY 1986 + TIME: DAY + CFN#: 01 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: ADVERTISER, Adelaide, S.A. Australia +-------------------------------------------------- +RAAF has no plans to seek car-sized UFO + +An unidentified flying object much bigger then a family car" is lying +at the bottom of Encounter Bay Victor Harbor, after plummeting to +earth soon after midday on Saturday. + +The object, unofficially logged as a meteorite by the RAAF base at +Edinburgh, was seen by dozens of people from as far south as post +MacDonnell in the South-East and south-Western Victoria. + +Senior Constable G.A. Clemow, of Beachport, said he and several other +Beachport people had seen a large, smoke-colored vapor trail left by +the object as it speed past at cloud height. + +The trail had taken more then five minutes to begin dispersing. Sen +Const Clemow said a thornleigh farmer Mr.Neil Sutherland, had told +him the object looked like a rocket, with a propeller-like device +at the rear, fins and a fair bit of red paint. + +Mr.Sutherland had described the fast-moving tube as much bigger then +a family car. + +Beachport resident Mr Gary Chambers said he had seen the object for +only a few seconds as it came down. It looked like a falling star, +but in broad daylight, Mr Chambers said it was very high up I thought +it burned up above the horizon. + +Mr George Thorn, of Victor Harbor said his wife had seen the object +falling towards the sea. Moments later, though binoculars, he had +seen what he thought at the time to be a very large red and white +boat bobbing up and down in the heavy swell, about five kilometres +offshore. It had sunk monents later and three boats found nothing. + +Police and RAAF Officials said they knew of no plans to look for the +object, lying in at least 20 fathoms of water. A department spokesman +in Adelaide said no RAAF Hercules had reported anything and there +was no sighting on any radar screens. He said the department would +investigate but he knew only what had been reported. He said he was +curious about a witness who described the object as looking like a +"cruise missile." + +What does a cruise missile look like? I work in defence I've never +seen one, he said as for the chance that the object was an extraerrestrial +that not show up on radar, the spokesman said with a chuckle: "There's +a possibility it could be anything, if in fact there is something, +but at the moment we know nothing." + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1121.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1121.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..948fd706 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1121.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1121 + +PART 38 + + Report #: 2 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-09-1986 + Location: BRUNFLO,JAMTLANDS, SWEDEN + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 17 APRIL 1986 + TIME: 21:45 HOURS + CFN#: 02 + DURATION: SEVEN HOURS +WITNESSES: FIVE - PLUS + SOURCE: OSTERSUNDS-POSTEN, SWEDEN MAY 6,1986 +-------------------------------------------------- +Saw one gigantic 150 meter long floating object: + +It was on monday evening, April 17, that Mr. Karl Axelsson from Brunflo +had his most remarkable experience of his life. When Mr.Axelsson was +driving his mother-in-law home, they observed a strange light phenomenon +in the hazy evening. + +Mr. Axelsson returned later to the sighting location with his binoculars. +What he saw was so sensational that he is still really upset when +he retells the story. + +Right over one hill, Sheepskin hill, was a gigantic floating object, +about 150 meters long. The whole object was divided into sections +and looked like a lighted cement block. At the top of the object were +two searchlights rotating like a lighthouse. + +He observed the object for seven hours. During this time he made many +interesting observations. At 21:45 was the regular lin-flight from +Stocholm to Froson-Ostersund airport. Right before the plane appeared, +the object seemed to pump ogt steam and when the plane passed, it +was coated in a cloud. + +On two further occasions, aircraft were passing, but at this time +the light was closed, so as not to be discovered. At one time during +the remarkable observation, Mr.Axelsson, was really scared. He said: +"Both rotating searchlights swept in an enormous arc. When the strong +light was near me, I was quite blinded. Once one of the searchlights +beamed against me and my car. It was a frightening feeling. + +The cone of light was formed as an endless corridor. Inside the corridor, +one was not blinded, but became aware of a strong, squared shining +light. Mr.Axelsson, then jumped out of his car and ran home, and telephone +two of his workmates. One of them, Mr.Hakan Forslund, also engeged +in the UFO studies, said: "When we went up to the sighting area, the +object had changed its position and was now floating over the Lockne +sea. I can agree with Mr.Axelsson, description. One of the things +I noticed was that the searchlight beam from the object was much +stronger then the foglight from the Lockne factory. + +During the observation time, the object changed position four times. + +( During one occasion, two small objects left the larger one. One +of them circled over Grytans range.) + +We were at most five who observed the object at the same time. I know +others who saw the object, but they don't like to tell anything about +the sighting. From that evening on, there were other reports of a +similar sighting of the object in about the same location. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + Report #: 3 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 07-10-1986 + Location: MORLEY, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 24 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 20:30 HOURS + CFN#: 03 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO - PLUS + SOURCE: OBSERVED, ENGLAND - APRIL 17, 1986 +------------------------------------------------ + +Mr.Philip Mantle, an investigator for UFO sightings said: A woman +from Bradford who was travelling home along the Bradford/Wakefield +road around 8:30 P.M. on March 24, she saw a large circular shaped +object with multicoloured lights in the skies over Morley. + +She said: She saw a row of lights. She and her husband were looking +towards Leeds when they saw the unidentified object and they pulled +into a layby near the Tingley Working Men's Club to observe it further. + +The object appeared to be moving towards leeds and was about two or +three miles away and a number of other people in cars pulled into +the layby to look at the object too. Mr.Mantle is with the Yorkshire +UFO Society and he would like to know if any one saw this large object +if so then call Mr. Mantle on (Batley 444049) + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + Report #: 4 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Location: DORSET, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 17 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 2300 HOURS + CFN#: 04 + DURATION: 02 - 03: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: BOURNEMOUTH EVENING ECHO +------------------------------------- + +A Bournemouth man is trying to confirm his UFO sighting at West Howe. + +Mr. Peter Charman was out walking his dogs in Paddington Grove late +at night when his gaze was drawn by a strange light in the sky. + +"It was moving slowly but I couldn't see any definite outline -like +a sparkler that kept going on and off," he said. "It was my first +UFO sighting." + +"It lasted for about two or three minutes and was flying at 2,000-3,000 +feet," added Mr. Charman, a coach driver who lives in the Grove. + +But he's not claiming the mystery night-flyer was an extra-terrestrial +starship. + +"It was an unidentified flying object - UFO is not necessarily synonymous +with spaceships," he explained. "So I don't think I'll be carrying +any little green men on my coach!" + +He is appealing for anyone who saw the incident, on Tuesday (June 17) +at 11 p.m., to contact him on Bournemouth 575875. + +Hurn Airport had no reports of sightings on that date, they said. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1122.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1122.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..939a32f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1122.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1122 + +PART 39 + + Report #: 5 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Location: READING, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DS + DATE: 15 JUNE 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 05 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: EVENING POST +------------------------------------ + +READING pensioner Peter Littlewood is convinced he saw an unidentified +flying object hovering above the town yesterday. Mr. Littlewood, aged +62, is so sure the jumbo jet-sized object was a UFO he wants to get +in touch with experts and have his sighting recorded. + +He said: "I was driving up Peppard Road when I noticed an object in +the sky, in between the two rows of lime trees. + +"It was stationary and remained in the air until the leaves of the +trees obscured it from my view. + +"I parked in Moss Close and scanned the sky but all I could see was +a thin vapour trail which I think came from an aeroplane. + +"I am positive it was not a hot air baloon or an airship. It was +silver colored, shaped like a hamburger. + + +Report #: 6 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 08-06-1986 + Location: SQUAMISH VALLY, CANADA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 05 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 06 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: DOZEN OR MORE + SOURCE: PROVINCE +------------------------------------- + +The hills of the Squamish Valley are alive--with something. + +Weird, UFO-like lights have been sighted at least three times dancing +around the Stawamus Chief mountain. And a fiery crash was also sighted +near Whistler's Blackcomb Mountain. + +Late Saturday, more than a dozen wide-eyed watchers were treated to +a cliffside spectacular around Stawamus Chief. + +"There were two bright lights right on the face of the Chief," said +Fred Bevilacqua, 38. + +"One shot down really fast and disappeared. Another turned and turned +up into the sky until you couldn't see it anymore." + +Squamish carpenter Ken Granger was also blinded by the lights. + +"There was one large amber light in the sky. A smaller light came +down onto the Chief. But then it started going up diagonally across +the side. It went around the corner and disappeared." + +On June 27, several residents of Squamish's Valley-cliff area saw +two small lights and a large light travelling very fast in a northeast +direction. + +And June 13, Greg Stoddard and Sam James of Whistler saw what looked +like a meteor crashing behind *ûBlackcomb Mountain. + +"It was a small spherical fireball that glowed white in the centre +rimmed by blue and trailing a smoky white trail," said Stoddard. + +The numerous sightings have been reported to RCMP, who have passed +it on to authorities in Ottawa. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 7 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-04-1986 + Location: CORRIENTES, ARGENTINA + +CASE TYPE: CE V + DATE: 21 MARCH 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 07 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: LA TERCERA DE LA HORA, MARCH 25,86 +------------------------------------------------ + +Buenos Aires, March 24, 1986 (EEE)-Scared Argentine farmers from the +area of Corrientes province pordering with paraguay, claimed to have +"talked" with the occupants of a "Flying Saucer" that landed there, +it was reported today in Buenos Aires. + +One of them, Rito Melgarejo, told the Telam news agency that he saw +how the "UFO descended and biinded him with its strong lights." Two +of its occupant came out, they looked like small Martians. They spoke +to me in a language I didn't understand, and signalled me, said the +frightened worker. + +I told them I couldn't understand them and went away. When I turned +around they were gone, said Melgarejo, in an account that was corroborated +by other local residents. + +Confessing he still has the headache he got since he spoke with the +occupants four days ago, he described them as small, wearing black, +tight fitting clothes. Telam said that strange traces were found +at the spot, such as burned grass in a 6 meter circle, and the remains +of an eel that had not decomposed. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1123.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1123.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e747927b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1123.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1123 + +PART 40 + + Report #: 8 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-30-1986 + Location: COMBRE MARTIN, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 10 JULY 1986 + TIME: 2330 HOURS APPROX. + CFN#: 08 + DURATION: 01: HOUR +WITNESSES: SEVEN + SOURCE: NORTH DEVON JOURNAL, ENGLAND +---------------------------------------- + +A fiery "UFO" has been spotted over Combre Martin. + +Mr. James Quemby, first saw the object over two weeks ago and has +since seen it on five occassions always at about 11:30pm, above Yellaton +Farm. + +"It is an orange disc like object, the colour of an oil lamp." he +says. "It appears to rise from behind the hill known as the "crags" +and then stay stationary in the sky for roughly an hour." + +Mr. Quemby's daughter and three grandchildren have also seen the object, +together with two neighbours. + +One neighbour, Mrs. Beryl Irwin, says: "At first I thought it was +a star, but then a brilliant light flashed and it disappeared." + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 9 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-30-1986 + Location: CORDOBA, ARGENTINA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - DD + DATE: 12 MARCH 1986 + TIME: EARLY MORNING + CFN#: 09 + DURATION: 02: HOURS PLUS +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: LA TERCERA DE LA HORA, CHILE +---------------------------------------- + +City and country of incident: Uritorco Hill, Cordoba, Argentina +Date of incident: March 13, 1986 +Name of paper and date of clip: LA TERCERA DE LA HORA, March 13, 1986 +City and country of newspaper: Santiago, Chile + +(CREDIT: Jorge Anfruns - TRANSLATION CREDIT: Jane Guma) + +SPECTACULAR EVENT TRANSMITTED DIRECTLY BY A RADIO STATION - UFO FLEET +LANDED IN FRONT OF WITNESSES + +Cordoba, Argentina, March 13 (AFP) - Four UFOs landed in the early +hours of this morning in a hilly area of Cordoba province, and many +witnesses are on the spot watching the phenomenon, which is being +transmitted directly by a local radio station. + +The UFOs "have a big white light on one side and a red one on the +other side," said the reporter who went to the landing place. The +Cordoba radio station (located 710 kilometers to the north of Buenoa +Aires) interrupted its program at 03.10 GMT to transmit the news and +describe "enormous saucers with intense red and white lights that +came out of its windows." + +A few minutes later a direct transmission was made from the La Cruz +hill, which is located some 5 kilometers from the Uritorco hill (160 +kilometers NW of Cordoba) where the UFOs landed. + +A reporter said that one of the objects "took off and approached the +place where the group of observers was, scaring us a bit." He also +added that the craft remained "motionless for several hours." The +transmission continued at 11.15 GMT and the reporter said that a group +formed by several UFO fans, three photographers and a nurse were +accompanying him. + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 10 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 09-30-1986 + Location: TALARA, PERU + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 12 MARCH 1986 + TIME: 2005 HOURS + CFN#: 10 + DURATION: 10: SECONDS +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: LA TERCERA DE LA HORA, CHILE +---------------------------------------- + +City and country of incident: Talara, Peru +Date of incident: March 12, 1986 +Name of paper and date of clip: LA TERCERA DE LA HORA, March 14, 1986 +City and country of newspaper: Santiago, Chile + +(CREDIT: Jorge Anfruns - TRANSLATION CREDIT: Jane Guma) + +IT CROSSED THE FIELD AT AN ALTITUDE OF LESS THAN 30 METERS - A UFO +PARADED IN FRONT OF 200 PEOPLE WHO WERE WATCHING A FOOTBALL GAME + +Lima, March 13 (AFP) - The sudden appearance of a UFO last night stopped +a football game that was being played in a stadium of the Peruvian city +of Talara, 1,070 kilometers north of lima, according to reports received +today. + +The strange ship few over the field at an altitude of less than 30 +meters above the ground, and was seen by some 200 people in the "Petroperu" +stadium. "We could clearly see that strong red and green light beams +were coming out of its front. It also irradiated a yellow light that +turned into day the area it few over," said Donaldo Duque, referee +of the game that was being played between the local teams Alamo and +Casa Gin. + +The UFOs appeared around 8.05 PM on Wednesday night. According to +some witnesses, the phenomenon lasted no more than 10 seconds. + +This appearance is added to the report that four "flying saucers" +landed Wednesday morning in a hilly area of Cordoba province, in Argentina, +an event that was witnessed by many people. The spectacular landing +was transmitted directly by a radio station from Cordoba, whose reporters +went there after being alerted by the local residents. + +The transmission described the ships as "enormous saucers with intense +red and white lights coming out of its windows." + +The reporter describing the spectacular event added that one of the +objects took off and approached the place where the observers were, +scaring them. Then UFOs remained motionless for several hours. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1124.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1124.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d4ca9e29 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1124.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1124 + +PART 41 + + Report #: 11 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-16-1986 + Location: EXETER, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 07 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 11 + DURATION: 10: MINUTES +WITNESSES: SEVENTEEN + SOURCE: WESTERN TIMES, EXETER, ENGLAND +------------------------------------------ + +A UFO resembling a Zeppelin has been spotted over the Westcountry. +The phenomenon was seen by a barbecue party in North Devon. + +Mr. John Garnsey, a local magistrate, said: "It was most weird. I +thought it might be a plane, but it made no noise. We watched it for +over 10 minutes drifting across the sky. + +"It seemed to discharge a rocket from it then disappeared across the +horizon." + +Seventeen witnesses at the party watched the UFO - and Mr. Garnsey insisted: +"We hadn't been drinking!" + +His wife Jennifer said: "It was traveling slowly across the sky. All +of a sudden another bright light like a rocket flashed from it. + +"It was completely silent. We thought it might be an aircraft or +a helicopter, but we couldn't hear an engine." + +------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 12 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: SCUNTHORPE, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 2 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT + CFN#: 12 + DURATION: 10: MINUTES +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: EVENING TELEGRAPH, SCUNTHORPE, ENGLAND +-------------------------------------------------- + +The British UFO Research Association is to investigate the sighting +last night of a motionless flashing object in Scunthorpe's northern +skies. It was spotted just after midnight at about 15 degrees above +the horizon. Observers in Messingham said it was flashing approximately +once every second and remained in the same place for around 10 minutes +before slowly moving off to the east. + +Today, the national secretary of BUFORA, Mr. Les Sallis, based in +Hull, said he would investigate the sighting. Checks with other +organizations, such as the RAF, might reveal the cause of the flashing +light, but it was too early to say. A sighting over Winterton two +months ago turned out to be a weather balloon. + +Anyone in the area who spotted the mysterious flashing light should +contact the Scunthorpe Evening Telegraph on 843421. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 13 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: RHYL, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 02 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 13 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: RHYL & PRESTATYN VISITOR, RHYL, ENGLAND +--------------------------------------------------- + +Sightings of a mysterious glowing object has left people in Rhyl wondering +if they have seen a UFO. + +Mr. James Perry, of 32 Princes Road, Rhyl, saw a large rectangular +object, with flashing lights, which moved slowly across the sky on +Thursday evening and other people in the area have reported similar +sightings. + +"It was traveling very slowly in a straight line," he said. "There +were lights that looked like windows, but it wasn't like a plane. +There was no sound or hazard lights like you would see on a plane." + +Mr. Perry watched the plane from another window and the lights change +and started flashing. "They looked like disco lights," he added. + +"I have always been rather sceptical about UFO's, but I have no idea +what this could be," he said. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 14 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: CRABEN, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 04 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0735 HOURS + CFN#: 14 + DURATION: 02: SECONDS +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: HERALD & PIONEER, CRABEN, ENGLAND +--------------------------------------------- + +Fourteen-year-old Kingsley Wiggin claims to have sighted an unidentified +flying object hovering over Skipton's Rockwood estate earlier this +month. + +Kingsley, who lives in the town's West Bank Road, says he was on his +morning newspaper round, when he saw an object which glowed very brightly: +"about two seconds rather like a very bright star." + +He says the shape of the object was unclear, but he is sure that it +was not an aeroplane: "or anything else I could think of." + +Kingsley saw the object at about 7:35 a.m. on September 4, but when +he later returned with his father, the object had disappeared. + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1125.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1125.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..de89eefc --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1125.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1125 + +PART 42 + + Report #: 15 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: DAVENTRY, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 08 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: UKNOWN + CFN#: 15 + DURATION: 20: MINUTES +WITNESSES: SIX + SOURCE: WEEKLY EXPRESS, DAVENTRY, ENGLAND +--------------------------------------------- + +A village near Daventry has been singled out by six eye witnesses +as the focal point for the town's extraordinary UFO mystery. + +They all claim to have seen unexplained objects heading towards Preston +Capes - or hovering over the village itself. + +The mystery began a fortnight ago when two fishermen saw six UFOs +early one morning over the Daventry County Park. The objects disappeared +in the direction of Preston Capes. + +A week later, company director Pauline Dunn and husand Stanley claim +they saw brilliant lights in the sky from their Staverton home. Again, +the objects were going towards Preston Capes. + +This week, retired couple Daphne and Edward Underhill say they saw +what appeared to be a huge, glowing UFO in the sky in the area of +Preston Capes. + +They believe it could have been a spaceship. + +"We were getting ready to go to bed when my husband called me over +to look out of the bedroom window," says Mrs. Underhill, of Central +Avenue, Woodford Halse. + +"We saw a great big object in the sky which had an orange or red look +about it. It was fairly high and we stood there for about 20 minutes +looking at it," she adds. + +"Part of it broke off from the rest and went across the sky in the +direction of Preston Capes. It was circular, but the part which came +away was jagged," adds Mrs. Underhill. + +She says it was definitely not an aeroplane because it was moving too +fast.she says it disappeared for a while but returned several minutes +later. + +"I have no idea what it was. People say about these things, but if +you talk about them, they think you are queer," adds Mrs. Underhill. + +"My husband didn't believe in UFOs until he saw this and was absolutely +astonished. It makes you think - seeing is believing. + +"If anybody else had told me they'd seen something, I wouldn't have +believe them. But when you have seen it yourself, it makes you realize," +adds Mrs. Underhill, who says her sighting was around the same time +as that of the fisherman. + + Report #: 16 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: HUMPTY DOO, AUSTRALIA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 15 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2220 HOURS + CFN#: 16 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: N.T.NEWS, DARWIN,N.T.,AUSTRALIA +------------------------------------------- + +Territory Authorities are baffled by last night's sighting in three +different centres of a mystery object in the Top End sky. + +Humpty Doo residents, Rick and Moya Trippe, were driving home along +the Stuart Highway about 10:20 pm when they noticed an object with +a flaming orange tail moving towards the ground at a 45 degree angle. + +A short time later Groote Eylandt and Roper River police reported +sightings of a mystery light over the Katherine region. + +To add to the intrigue, Katherine's power supply suddenly cut out +late last night and there were reported disruptions to phone lines +in the town. + +The hour long disruption was reported to have been caused by an earthing +problem. + +The weather bureau and Aviation Department can give no explanation. + +There were no scheduled flights over the area and the bureau reported +no unusual weather phenomenon. + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1126.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1126.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ba8c36be --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1126.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1126 + +PART 43 + + Report #: 17 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Location: BARNSLEY, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 22 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2250 HOURS + CFN#: 17 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: CHRONICLE, BARNSLEY, YORKS, ENGLAND +----------------------------------------------- + +A BARNSLEY man is recovering after a close encounter with a flying +saucer! + +Mr. Joh Brook fled in fright after the UFO turned a blinding white +fluorescent type beam on him. Mr. Brook, of Berby Street, Barnsley, +felt a tingling sensation throughout his body for the few seconds +he was transfixed by the light coming from beneath the oval shaped, +60 feet wide object. + +He has spoken for the first time this week about the experience which +left him ashen-faced. The UFO was hovering at a height of about 50 +feet in the night sky somewhere in the direction of the Co-op Dairy +in Summer Lane. The object had flashing red and purple lights on +its side. + +Mr. Brook, an unemployed technical illustrator, said the close encounter +took place at about 10:50 p.m. on a recent Friday. + +He told the Chronicle: "I was on my way home from the pub when I saw +the object in the sky. From where I was standing, it looked as though +it was spinning on it axis. Suddenly, this bright white light with +a fluorescent tint shone down on me. I had to close my eyes, it was +so bright. + +"I felt this tingling sensation all over and through my body and the +hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. + +"I just turned and ran as fast as I could towards home. I know that +people will suggest that either I was drunk or just another nutter +but I had only drunk about three pints that night because I am unemployed +and that was all I could afford." + +When Mr. Brook got home, he and his wife Josephine watched the UFO +from their garden before it disappeared. Mrs. Brook said: "When John +got home he was out of breath and his face was as white as a sheet. +I have known him for about six years and I have never seen him so +frightened." + +This was the third time that Mr. Brook has had an encounter with a +UFO. His first sighting was in the early 1970s and the second, which +took place last year while he was with his neighbour, Mr. Richard +Shirt, was reported to the Royal Air Force. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Report #: 18 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-18-1986 + Location: BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 09 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 18 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FOUR + SOURCE: SANDWELL MAIL, WEST MIDLANDS, ENGLAND +------------------------------------------------- + +Reports of an unidentified flying object hovering over a Birmingham +hospital are being investigated by UFO experts. + +The 400ft long by 60 ft wide cigar shaped object was spotted by staff +at Good Hope Hospital in Sutton Coldfield during a night shift. + +Three nurses and a doctor who were taking a tea break all saw the +silent object hovering about 800ft up. + +The matter has been reported to UFO-Studies Investigations, an amateur +organization funded by British Aerospace, and the sightings are being +investigated. + +Mr. John Hurley, of the Midland branch of the organization said: +"Ninety-five per cent of all sightings can be explained away after +investigation as an aircraft an airship, balloon, helicopter or even +a bright star, but not in this case." + +He added: "Birmingham airport said they spotted something on the radar." + +------------------------------------------------------------------ + + Report #: 19 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-18-1986 + Location: FOREST ROW, ENGLAND + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 07 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 19 + DURATION: 10: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: NEWS IN FOCUS,E.GRINSTEAD, ENGLAND +---------------------------------------------- + +A Forest Row woman still can not believe her eyes after sighting what +she can only describe as a UFO. + +Last Thursday evening just after midnight Mrs. Penny Crowder was leaving +Ursula and Tom Scratchly's house in Post Horn Lane, Forest Row. Before +getting into her car Mrs. Crowder looked up at the clear night sky +and saw a glowing orange ball with a pale orange aura surrounding +it move across the sky from west over the Royal Ashdown golf course. + +Thinking she might be imagining things she called out to her friend +Penny and they walked up the lane to get a better view. The two women +were so astounded that they asked Penny's husband Tom to confirm what +they were seeing. + +"It was a fiery colour and looked as though it was lit up in some +way." said Mrs. Crowder. "We were just incredulous, you couldn't relate +it to anything because you had never seen anything like it," she said. + +The three stood watching the UFO for about ten minutes as it progressed +noiselessly to the east and out of sight. + +Looking for a rational explana-tion for what they had witnessed, they +telephoned flight control at Gatwick. Gatwick said nothing had showed +up on radar but asked them to file a detailed description and a diagram. + +They considered all the other possibilities, a hot air balloon, a satellite, +but none of these fitted the description of what they had seen. They +sat and talked until three in the morning about the strange fiery object. + +"It gave you an eery feeling as it came straight towards you" said Mrs. +Crowder, who has never before spent time puzzling over the arguments +for and against the existence of UFOs. "When you started thinking +about it you got a bit frightened," she said,"I had the spooks all +a the way home." + +Mrs. Crowder is not the first to be "spooked" by ball-shaped objects +flying over the Ashdown Forest. In the late 1970s a spate of sightings +over the forest exactly match the description of what Mrs. Crowder +and the Scratchlys saw last Thursday evening. + +In April 1978 local police launched a search of the area after a Nutley +woman saw what she called a "ball of fire" hurtle past her window. +She then saw bits break off the object and fall directly on to the +Forest. At least six people in the Forest witnessed it, and on that +night firemen were called to put out fires in two areas of the forest. + +News in Focus would be interested to hear from anyone else who saw +the Thursday night fireball. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1127.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1127.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8cec4679 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1127.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INFO Service Reports FILE: UFO1127 + +PART 44 + + Report #: 20 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-18-1986 + Location: SANTIAGO, CHILE + +CASE TYPE: CE II + DATE: 15 JUNE 1986 + TIME: 0200 HOURS + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: THE PRESS, MANAGUA, NICARAGUA +----------------------------------------- + +City and country of incident: Santiago, Chile +Date of incident: June 15, 1986 +Name of paper and date of clip: THE PRESS, June 18, 1986 +City and country of newspaper: Managua, Nicaragua + + (CREDIT: A/SPR) + +CHILE: UFO BLOWS ROOFS OFF SIX HOUSES + +Santiago, Chile (EFE) -- A UFO in the form of a blue cloud "sucked +up" the roofs of six homes in a neighborhood of the South Zone of +Santiago in the early morning hours last Sunday. + +The rest of the roofs, chimnies, and electrical cables remained +scattered in turn, to each of the houses. + +The neighbors, according to an acount that was published today in +the newspaper, THE THIRD, said that at 2 a.m. on Sunday, they felt +as if there was a very strong wind, or an earthquake. At the same +time, everything lit up in a bright blue for 30 seconds. + +"It was a force that threw everything up," declared Patricia de Salvo, +one of those affected in their home by the strange phenomenon. + +The Weather Bureau added that it (the phenomenon) could not be considered +as a tornado, neither a hurricane, because these phenomena affect +entire cities. + +The neighbors Juan Lagos and Enrique Ceron described the phenomenon +as a "blue cloud" that passed over, leaving this devastating effect +to the roofs of their houses and their clarified it (the blue cloud) +as an apparent "UFO." + +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + Report #: 21 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-18-1986 + Location: KARLSKRONA, SWEDEN + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 18 SEPTEMBER + TIME: 2230 HOURS + CFN#: 21 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FIVE + SOURCE: BLEKINGE LANS TIDNING +--------------------------------- + +City and country of incident: Karlshamn, Blekinge Region, Sweden +Date of incident: September 18, 1986 +Name of paper and date of clip: BLEKINGE LANS TIDNING, +September ?, 1986 +City and country of newspaper: Karlskrona, Sweden + + (CREDIT: Erik Fredriksson) + +LADIES GOING HOME FROM BINGO SAW "SPACESHIP" NEAR YSANE VILLAGE + +"None of us has seen anything like that before. We were very upset +and it was difficult to sleep that night." + +It is Dagny Stonsebro from Solvesborg telling the story. On Thursday +evening, she and four girl friends were on the way home from a bingo +evening in Karlshamn. + +Near Ysane, they observed a shining light in the heavens. At a distance, +it looked like a big star. But it changed form when it came nearer. +"We felt observed and pursued. It was quite unpleasant," said Mrs. +Stonesebro. The time was some minutes after 10:30 when the ladies +first observed the phenomenon. It passed very quickly through the +sky, went back and circled around. + +"The object was orange and the color glowed. The body was oval-shaped +and appeared to be of metal. When we approached the BP gas station, +I estimate that the object was about 100 meters away and perhaps 50 +meters high. It disappeared then behind the trees. But later, it +was observed in the village of Falkvik and was described as elongated, +said Dagny Stonsebro. + +"One of my girlfriends could observe the object right to the village +of Mjallby, about 5 kilometers away, where she lives. I don't know +what it was, she said, but it was absolutely not an airplane." + +From the airfield F13 in Kallinge weather station, they suspected +it could be from the big NATO manuever outside Denmark. Perhaps +some shining light. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1128.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1128.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..62aa4d17 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1128.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,597 @@ +SUBJECT: LISTING OF UFO BOOKS FILE: UFO1128 + + + UFOLOGY BOOKS (REVISION 2.0 316 books) + -------------------------------------- + + The following is a collection of titles known to the author + H. S. Stewart on the subject of UFO's. The list is alphabetic + by author with the year of publication given if known. A "?" + indicates that the exact date of publication is not known but + that it is at least the date given. An "*" preceeding the title + indicates that the author owns a copy of that book. A "#" preceeding + the title indicates that the author of this list has read the book. + If a book has been co-authored then only the first author listed + on the cover is given. In fairness the author has not editted this + list and therefore the books are not all of the same quality. + HOWEVER since everone has an opininion the books whose author's + name is preceeded by an "!" are considered by the writer to be + must read items. If you wish to contact me you can do so via + Tom Mickus's most excellent board Paranet Pi. + + + Bill Adler * LETTERS TO THE AIR FORCE ON UFOS 1967 + + George Admaski * BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCER MYSTERY 1961 + (FLYING SAUCERS FAREWELL) + George Admaski MANY MANSIONS ?1961 + George Admaski COSMIC PHILOSOPHY 1961 + George Admaski * INSIDE THE FLYING SAUCERS 1955 + (INSIDE THE SPACE SHIPS) + George Admaski # FLYING SAUCERS HAVE LANDED 1953 + George Admaski PIONEERS OF SPACE A TRIP TO THE 1949 + MOON MARS AND VENUS + + Gordon W. Allen OVERLORDS OLYMPIANS AND THE UFO 1974 + Gordon W. Allen SPACECRAFT FROM BEYOND THREE 1959 + DIMENSIONS + + George C. Andrews EXTRATERRESTRIALS AMONG US ?1988 + + Orfeo Angelucci THE SECRET OF THE SAUCERS 1955 + + Kenneth Arnold THE COMING OF THE SAUCERS 1952 + + Gray Barker GRAY BARKER AT GIANT ROCK 1976 + Gray Barker THE SILVER BRIDGE 1970 + Gray Barker THE BOOK OF GEORGE ADAMSKI 1965 + Gray Barker THE STRANGE CASE OF DR M K JESSUP 1963 + Gray Barker THEY KNEW TOO MUCH ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1958 + Gray Barker THE SUACERIAN REVIEW 1956 + + Bill Barry ULTIMATE ENCOUNTER 1978 + + John Baxter THE FIRE CAME BY - THE RIDDLE OF 1976 + THE GREAT SIBERIAN EXPLOSION + + Robert B. Beard FLYING SAUCERS, UFO'S AND EXTRA + TERESTRIAL LIFE:A BIBLIOGRAPHY + OF BRITISH BOOKS 1971 + + Chessman Beere USP - PHYSICS FOR FLYING SAUCERS 1973 + + Albert Bender FLYING SAUCERS AND THE THREE MEN 1963 + Albert Bender SPACE REVIEW 1962 + + Hildegard Bender KNIGHTS OF THE SOLAR CROSS - 1968 + MESSAGES FROM OUTER SPACE + + Jacques Bergier ET INTERVENTION - THE EVIDENCE 1974 + Jacques Bergier ET VISITS FROM PREHISTORY + TO PRESENT 1970 + + ! Charles Berlitz * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 + Charles Berlitz * MYSTERIES FROM FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1972 + Charles Berlitz # THE MYSTERY OF ATLANTIS 1969 + + Raymond Bernard # THE HOLLOW EARTH 1969 + Raymond Bernard FLYING SAUCERS FROM EARTHS ?1969 + INTERIOR + + Truman Bethurum THE PEOPLE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1970 + Truman Bethurum FACING REALITY 1958 + Truman Bethurum THE VOICE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1957 + Truman Bethurum ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER 1954 + + Otto Billig FLYING SAUCERS: MAGIC IN THE + SKIES: A PSYCHOHISTORY 1982 + + Otto Binder UNSOLVED MYSTERIES OF THE PAST ?1974 + Otto Binder MANKIND CHILD OF THE STARS 1974 + Otto Binder FLYINF SAUCERS ARE WATCHING US 1968 + Otto Binder WHAT WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1967 + + Ted Bloecher REPORT ON THE UFO WAVE OF 1947 1967 + + Ralph Blum * BEYOND EARTH: MANS CONTACT + WITH UFO'S 1974 + + Josef Blumrich * THE SPACESHIPS OF EZEKIEL 1974 + + Yurko Bondarchuk UFO SIGHTINGS, LANDINGS + AND ABDUCTIONS 1979 + + Charles Bowen ENCOUNTER CASES FROM FLYING + SAUCER REVIEW 1977 + Charles Bowen UFO ENCOUNTERS (magazine) 1973 + Charles Bowen UFO'S IN TWO WORLDS (magazine) 1971 + Charles Bowen BEYOND CONDON 1969 + Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS - A SURVEY OF 1969 + WORLDWIDE REPORTS + Charles Bowen UFO PERCIPIENTS (magazine) 1969 + Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS (magazine) 1966 + + M. Bowen FLYING SAUCERS AND OUTER SPACE 1969 + + Don Boys FLYING SAUCERS: MYTHS, MADNESS + OR MADE IN MOSCOW ?1974 + + Ronald Bracewell THE GALACTIC CLUB 1975 + + Eugene Burt UFO'S AND DIAMAGNETISM 1970 + + Lynn E. Catoe UFO'S AND RELATED SUBJECTS: + AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY 1969 + + Maurice Chatelain * OUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM + OUTER SPACE 1975 + + Howard Chambers UFO"S FOR THE MILLIONS 1967 + + Robert Chapman UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1969 + + Robert Charroux LEGACY OF THE GODS 1974 + Robert Charroux THE GODS UNKNOW 1974 + Robert Charroux MASTERS OF THE WORLD 1974 + Robert Charroux FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1973 + Robert Charroux ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS OF 1971 + MANS UNKNOWN HISTORY + + Adrian V. Clark COSMIC MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE ?1969 + + Edward U. Condon SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED + FLYING OBJECTS 1969 + Gordon Cove WHO PILOTS THE FLYING SAUCERS ?1974 + + William R. Corliss * HANDBOOK OF UNUSUAL NATURAL + PHENOMENA 1977 + + Douglas Curran IN ADVANCE OF THE LANDING: FOLK + CONCEPTS OF OUTER SPACE 1985 + + Reilly H. Crabb FLYING SUACERS AT EDWARDS AFB ?1980 + + Leonard G. Cramp SPACE, GRAVITY AND THE + FLYING SAUCER ?1967 + + Ellen Crystal INVASION: THEY COME IN SILENCE ?1988 + + David M. Jacob's THE CONTROVERSY OVER FLYING + OBJECTS IN AMERICA 1869-1973 ?1986 + + Jay David THE FLYING SAUCER READER 1967 + + Isabel Davis CLOSE ENCOUNTERS AT KELLY + AND OTHERS OF 1955 1978 + Isabel Davis EXTRATERRESTRIALS SUGGESTED + MOTIVES AND ORIGIN 1969 + + Erich Von Daniken VON DANIKENS PROOF 1978 + Erich Von Daniken MIRACLES OF THE GODS 1976 + Erich Von Daniken RETURN TO THE STARS ?1974 + Erich Von Daniken IN SEARCH OF ANCIENT GODS 1973 + Erich Von Daniken # THE GOLD OF THE GODS 1972 + Erich Von Daniken * GODS FROM OUTER SPACE 1971 + Erich Von Daniken * CHARIOTS OF THE GODS 1970 + + R. L. Dione * GOD DRIVES A FLYING SAUCER 1969 + + Barry Downing THE BIBLE AND FLYING SAUCERS 1968 + + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN THROUGHOUT + HISTORY 1975 + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN OF THE ANCIENT + WEST 1974 + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN IN ANCIENT EAST 1968 + + Ann Druffel THE TUJUNGA CANYON CONTACTS 1980 + + George Eberhart UFO'S AND THE EXTRATERESTRIAL 1980 + CONTACT MOVEMENT: A BIBLIOGRAPHY 1986 + George Eberhart A GEO-BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ANOMALIES 1980 + + Martin Ebon # THE RIDDLE OF THE BERMUDA TRIANGL 1975 + + Frank Edwards FLYING SAUCERS HERE AND NOW 1967 + Frank Edwards * FLYING SAUCERS SERIOUS BUSINESS 1966 + Frank Edwards * STRANGER THAN SCIENCE 1959 + Frank Edwards * STRANGEST OF ALL 1956 + + Robert Emenegger UFO'S PAST PRESENT & FUTURE 1974 + + Walter Ernsting THE DAY THE GODS DIED 1971 + + Hilary Evans THE EVIDENCE FOR UFO'S 1983 + + Lawrence Fawcett # CLEAR INTENT: THE GOVERMENT + COVERUP OF THE UFO EXPERIENCE 1984 + + Randall Fitzgerald THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EXTRA + TERRESTRIAL ENCOUNTYERS 1979 + + Parls Flammonde UFO EXIST ?1987 + + Charles Fort COMPLETE BOOKS OF CHARLES FORT 1974 + Charles Fort LO! 1934 + + Raymond E. Fowler CASEBOOK OF A UFO INVESTIGATOR 1981 + Raymond E. Fowler # THE ANDREASSON AFFAIR 1979 + + Stanton Friedman UFO'S TODAY 1974 + Stanton Friedman UFO'S MYTH AND MYSTERY 1971 + Stanton Friedman FLYING SAUCER ENERGETICS 1970 + + Daniel Fry THE WHITE SANDS INCIDENT 1966 + + Curtis Fuller PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST + INTERNATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 + + John G. Fuller ALIENS IN THE SKIES ?1970 + John G. Fuller * THE INTERUPTED JOURNEY 1966 + John G. Fuller * INCIDENT AT EXETER 1966 + + Judith Gansberg DIRECT ENCOUNTERS 1980 + + Richard Garvin # THE CRYSTAL SKULL 1973 + + Gavin Gibbons THEY RODE IN SPACESHIPS 1957 + + Daniel Gillmor SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UFO'S 1969 + + Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS FROM THE FOURTH 1974 + DIMENSION + Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS AND THE INNER 1974 + EARTH + Kurt Glemser THE MEN IN BLACK REPORT 1973 + Kurt Glemser UFO'S: MENACE FROM THE SKIES 1972 + Kurt Glemser THEY WALK AMONG US 1970 + + Timothy Good GEORGE ADAMSKI THE UNTOLD STORY ?1988 + + Gabriel Green LETS FACE THE FACTS ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1967 + + Irving Greenfield THE UFO REPORT 1967 + + Barry Greenwood CLEAR INTENT ?1988 + + Richard F. Haines OBSERVING UFO'S: AN INVESTIGATIVE + HANDBOOK 1980 + + David Haisell * THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS 1978 + David Haisell THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS REVEALED 1978 + + ! Richard H. Hall * UNINVITED GUESTS 1988 + Richard H. Hall THE UFO EVIDENCE 1964 + Richard H. Hall CHALLANGE OF UFO'S ?1966 + + W. A. Harbinson * THE LIGHT OF EDEN 1987 + W. A. Harbinson * OTHERWORLD 1984 + W. A. Harbinson REVELATION ???? + ! W. A. Harbinson * GENESIS 1980 + + Clive Harold THE UNINVITED: A TRUE STORY 1979 + + Gerald Heard IS ANOTHER WORLD WATCHING 1953 + + Allan Hendry THE UFO HANDBOOK 1979 + + James Holledge FLYING SAUCERS OVER AUSTRALIA 1965 + + Bud Hopkins * MISSING TIME: A DOCUMENTED STUDY + OF UFO ABDUCTIONS 1981 + Bud Hopkins * INTRUDERS: THE INCREDIBLE + VISITATIONS AT COPLEY WOODS 1987 + Bud Hopkins INTRUDERS AMONG US ?1987 + + ! Allan J. Hynek * THE HYNEK UFO REPORT 1977 + Allan J. Hynek THE EDGE OF REALITY 1975 + Allan J. Hynek * THE UFO EXPERIENCE A SCIENTIFIC + INQUIRY 1972 + + Phil Imbrogno # NIGHT SIEGE THE HUDSON VALLEY UFO 1987 + + D. Jacobs THE UFO CONTROVERCY IN AMERICA 1975 + + Trevor James THEY LIVE IN THE SKY ?1967 + + M. K. Jessup THE EXPANDING CASE FOR UFO'S 1957 + M. K. Jessup # THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 19567 + ! M. K. Jessup THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 19567 + (ANOTATED "VARO" EDITION) + M. K. Jessup THE UFO ANNUAL 19567 + M. K. Jessup UFO AND THE BIBLE 19567 + + Carl Jung FLYING SAUCERS: A MODERN MYTH + OF THINGS SEEN IN THE SKY 1959 + + John A. Keel THE EIGHTH TOWER 1975 + John A. Keel THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES 1975 + John A. Keel * OUR HAUNTED PLANET 1971 + John A. Keel UFO'S OPERATION TROJAN HORSE 1970 + + C. F. Keil COMMENTARY ON THE OLD TESTAMENT 1966 + + Major Donald E. Keyhoe * ALIENS FROM SPACE... THE REAL + STORY OF UFO'S 1973 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS TOP SECRET 1960 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCER CONSPIRACY 1955 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS FROM OUTER SPACE 1953 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS ARE REAL 1950 + + K. A. Kichen ANCIENT ORIENT AND OLD TESTAMENT 1966 + + Gary Kinder * LIGHT YEARS 1987 + + Phillip Klass UFO'S THE PUBLIC DECIEVED 1983 + Phillip Klass UFO'S EXPLAINED 1974 + Phillip Klass UFO'S IDENTIFIED 1968 + + Peter Kolosimo NOT OF THIS WORLD 1971 + + Dino Kraspedon MY CONTACT WITH FLYING SAUCERS 1959 + + Alan Landsburg * THE OUTER SPACE CONNECTION 1975 + + George Leonard SOMEONE ELSE IS ON THE MOON ?1988 + + Brinsley LePoer Trench SECRET OF THE AGES - UFO's 1975 + FROM INSIDE THE EARTH + Brinsley LePoer Trench OPERATION EARTH 1974 + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE ETERNAL SUBJECT 19713 + (THE UFO STORY) + Brinsley LePoer Trench FLYING SAUCERS HAVE ARRIVED 1970 + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE FLYING SAUCER STORY 1970 + Brinsley LePoer Trench TEMPLE OF THE STARS 1962 + (MEN AMONG MANKIND) + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE SKY PEOPLE 1960 + + Gordon Lindsay THE RIDDLE OF THE FLYING SAUCERS 1972 + Gordon Lindsay THE ANTICHRISTS HAVE COME 1958 + + Howard Liss UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 + + Robert Loftin IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 + + Gordon Lore Jr. STRANGE EFFECTS FROM UFO'S 1969 + Gordon Lore Jr. MYSTERIES OF THE SKIES: UFO'S + IN PERSPECTIVE 1968 + + Robert W. Loosley AN ACCOUNT OF A MEETING WITH + DENIZENS OF ANOTHER WORLD 1871 + + Coral Lorenzen ABDUCTED! 1977 + Coral Lorenzen ENCOUNTERS WITH UFO OCCUPANTS 1976 + Coral Lorenzen UFO'S THE WHOLE STORY 1969 + Coral Lorenzen * UFO'S OVER THE AMERICAS 1968 + Coral Lorenzen FLYING SAUCER OCCUPANTS 1967 + Coral Lorenzen * THE FLYING SAUCER HOAX 1966 + Coral Lorenzen (FLYING SAUCERS: THE STARTLING + EVIDENCE OF THE INVITATION FROM + OUTER SPACE) 1966 + + Duncan Lunan * MYSTERIOUS SIGNALS FROM + OUTER SPACE 1974 + + Larry Maddock THE FLYING SAUCER GAMBIT 1966 + + Kenneth c. McCulloch MANKIND CITIZEN OF THE GALAXY ?1988 + + John Magor OUR UFO VISITORS 1977 + + Howard Menger FROM OUTER SPACE TO YOU 1959 + + John Manas FLYING SAUCERS ANS SPACEMEN 1962 + + Dr. Donald Menzel THE UFO ENIGMA 1977 + Dr. Donald Menzel UFO FACT OR FICTION 1967 + Dr. Donald Menzel THE WORLD OF FLYING SAUCERS 1963 + Dr. Donald Menzel FLYING SAUCERS 1953 + + Aime Michel FLYING SAUCERS AND THE STRAIGHT + LINE MYSTERY 1958 + Aime Michel THE TRUTH ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1956 + + John Michell * THE FLYING SAUCER VISION 1967 + + Helen Mitchell WE MET THE SPACE PEOPLE ?1970 + + William L. Moore THE SPITZBERGEN SAUCER CRASH ?1988 + William L. Moore CRASHED UFO'S: EVIDENCE IN THE + SEARCH FOR PROOF ?1988 + William L. Moore UFO'S THE MOST HIGHLY CLASSIFIED + SUBJECT 1986 + ! William L. Moore * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 + + Jim Moseley THE WRIGHT FIELD STORY 1971 + Jim Moseley JIM MOSELEY'S BOOK OF SAUCER NEWS 1967 + + Israel Norkin SAUCER DIARY 1957 + + Erich Norman GODS AND DEVILS FROM OUTER SPACE 1973 + Erich Norman * GODS, DEMONS AND SPACE CHARIOTS 1970 + + James E. Oberg UFO'S AND OUTER SPACE MYSTERIES: + + Thomas Olsen THE REFERENCE FOR OUTSTANDING + UFO SIGHTING REPORTS ?1968 + + Ray Palmer THE REAL UFO INVASION 1968 + + Michael Parry CHARIOTS OF FIRE 1974 + A SYMPATHETIC SKEPTICS REPORT 1982 + + Ted Peters UFO'S GOD'S CHARIOTS 1977 + + Ted Phillips PHYSICAL TRACES ASSOCIATED WITH 1975 + UFO SIGHTINGS + + UFO Congress PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST INTER + NATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 + + Jenny Randles SKY CRASH: A COSMIC CONSPIRACY ?1988 + Jenny Randles SCIENCE AND THE UFO'S 1985 + Jenny Randles UFO REALITY: A CRITICAL LOOK + AT THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE 1983 + + Richard M. Rasmussen THE UFO LITERATURE: A COMPREHEN + SIVE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS IN + ENGLISH 1985 + + Edward J. Ruppelt THE REPORT ON UNIDENTIFIED + FLYING OBJECTS 1956 + + Harley D. Rutledge PROJECT IDENTIFICATION: THE + FIRST SCIENTIFIC FIELD STUDY + OF THE UFO PHENOMENA 1981 + + Margaret Sachs THE UFO ENCYCLOPEDIA 1980 + Margaret Sachs CELESTRIAL PASSENGERS: UFO'S + AND SPACE TRAVEL 1977 + + Carl Sagan OTHER WORLDS 1975 + Carl Sagan THE COSMIC CONNECTION 1973 + Carl Sagan UFO'S A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE 1972 + Carl Sagan INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE 1967 + + Thierry J. Sagnier * THE UFO REPORT 1983 + + Frank Salisbury THE UTAH UFO DISPLAY 1974 + + Ivan Sanderson UNINVITED VISITORS ?1976 + Ivan Sanderson INVISIBLE RESIDENTS 1970 + + David Saunders UFO's? YES!: WHERE THE CONDON + REPORT WENT WRONG 1968 + + Frank Scully # BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCERS 1950 + + Jean Sendy * THE COMING OF THE GODS 1970 + Jean Sendy * THE GODS WHO MADE HEAVEN & EARTH 1969 + Jean Sendy THE MOON: OUTPOST OF THE GODS 1968 + + Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING + THE EVIDENCE 1980 + + Arthur Shuttlewood UFO'S KEY TO THE NEW AGE 1971 + Arthur Shuttlewood WARNING FROM FLYING FRIENDS 1968 + Arthur Shuttlewood * THE WARMINSTER MYSTERY 1967 + + Warren Smith # SECRET OF THE HOLLOW EARTH 1976 + Warren Smith # SECRET FORCES OF THE PYRAMIDS 1975 + + Garder Soule UFO'S AND IFO'S 1967 + + John Spencer # NO EARTHLY EXPLANATION 1974 + John Spencer LIMBO OF THE LOST 1969 + + Gerome Stanton FLYING SAUCERS HOAX OR REALITY 1966 + + Roger Stanway FLYING SAUCER REPORT - UFO'S + UNIDENTIFIED AND UNDENIABLE 1968 + + Fred Steckling UFO'S WHY ARE THEY HERE? 1969 + + Brad Steiger * THE UFO ABDUCTORS 1988 + Brad Steiger THE STAR PEOPLE ?1988 + Brad Steiger REVELATION: THE DIVINE FIRE ?1988 + Brad Steiger WORLDS BEFORE OUR OWN ?1988 + Brad Steiger * ALIEN MEETINGS 1978 + Brad Steiger GODS OF AQUARIOUS 1976 + Brad Steiger PROJECT BLUEBOOK 1976 + Brad Steiger THE NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH ?1976 + Brad Steiger # MYSTERIES OF TIME AND SPACE 1974 + Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCER INVASION - TARGET 1969 + EARTH + Brad Steiger ALLENDE LETTERS 1968 + Brad Steiger NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH 1968 + Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCERS ARE HOSTILE 1967 + Brad Steiger THE FLYING SAUCER MENACE 1967 + Brad Steiger STRANGERS FROM THE SKIES 1966 + + William Steinman UFO CRASH AT AZTEC ?1988 + + Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING + THE EVIDENCE 1980 + + Jack Stonely * IS ANYONE OUT THERE 1974 + + Ronald Story UFO'S AND THE LIMITS OF SCIENCE 1981 + Ronald Story # THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF UFO'S 1980 + Ronald Story GUARDIANS OF THE UNIVERSE 1980 + Ronald Story THE SPACE GODS REVEALED A CLOSE 1976 + LOOK AT THE THEORIES OF ERICH + VON DANIKEN + + Frank Stranges THE STRANGER AT THE PENTAGON 1972 + Frank Stranges MY FRIEND FROM BEYOND EARTH 1960 + Frank Stranges FLYING SAUCERAMA 1959 + + Whitley Strieber # TRANSFORMATION 1988 + Whitley Strieber * COMMUNION 1987 + + Leonard Stringfield * SITUATION RED: UFO SIEGE 1977 + Leonard Stringfield INSIDE SAUCER POST 3-0 BLUE 1957 + + Richard Tambling FLYING SAUCERS WHERE DO + THEY COME FROM 1967 + + Paul Thomas FYING SAUCERS THROUGH THE AGES 1965 + + Andrew Tomas * WE ARE NOT THE FIRST 1971 + + James Trevor THEY LIVE IN THE SKY 1958 + + Jacques Vallee CHALLENGE TO SCIENCE: + THE UFO ENIGMA 1966 + Jacques Vallee MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION: UFO + CONTACTS AND CULTS 1979 + Jacques Vallee DIMENSIONS: A CASEBOOK OF + ALIEN CONTACT ???? + Jacques Vallee THE INVISIBLE COLLEGE ?1978 + Jacques Vallee * ANATOMY OF A PHENOMENON 1965 + Jacques Vallee UFO'S IN SPACE 1965 + Jacques Vallee * THE UFO ENIGMA: CHALLENGE 1966 + TO SCIENCE + Jacques Vallee PASSPORT TO MAGONIA 1969 + + ! Renato Vesco * INTRCEPT / UFO 1968 + (INTERCEPT BUT DONT SHOOT) + + Travis Walton THE WALTON EXPERIENCE 1978 + + David Webb YEAR OF THE HUMANOIDS 1974 + + David Wheeler THE LUBBOCK LIGHTS 1977 + + Dale White IS SOMETHING UP THERE? 1969 + + P. J. Wilcox THE UFO QUESTION 1976 + + Harold T. Wilkins FLYING SAUCERS UNCENSORED 1956 + Harold T. Wilkins * FLYING SAUCERS ON THE ATTACK 1954 + Harold T. Wilkins STRANGE MYSTERIES OF TIME + & SPACE ?1954 + + George H. Williamson THE SAUCERS SPEAK ?1966 + + Dr. Clifford Wilson * CRASH GO THE CHARIOTS 1972 + Dr. Clifford Wilson * THE ALIEN AGENDA 1974 + Dr. Clifford Wilson UFO'S & THEIR MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 1974 + Dr. Clifford Wilson IN THE BEGINNING GOD 1970 + + Don Wilson OUR MYSTERIOUS SPACESHIP MOON 1975 + + T. M. Wright THE INTELLIGENT MAN'S GUIDE + TO FLYING SAUCERS 1968 + + Bob Young FLYING SAUCERS ARE - BOOK TWO 1959 + + Mort Young UFO: TOP SECRET 1967 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1129.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1129.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..58b17132 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1129.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,619 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOLOGY BOOKS FILE: UFO1129 + + + UFOLOGY BOOKS (REVISION 2.0 332 books) + -------------------------------------- + + The following is a collection of titles known to the author + H. S. Stewart on the subject of UFO's. The list is alphabetic + by author with the year of publication given if known. A "?" + indicates that the exact date of publication is not known but + that it is at least the date given. An "*" preceeding the title + indicates that the author owns a copy of that book. A "#" preceeding + the title indicates that the author of this list has read the book. + If a book has been co-authored then only the first author listed + on the cover is given. In fairness the author has not editted this + list and therefore the books are not all of the same quality. + HOWEVER since everone has an opininion the books whose author's + name is preceeded by an "!" are considered by the writer to be + must read items. If you wish to contact me you can do so via + Tom Mickus's most excellent board Paranet Pi. + + + Bill Adler * LETTERS TO THE AIR FORCE ON UFOS 1967 + + George Admaski * BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCER MYSTERY 1961 + (FLYING SAUCERS FAREWELL) + George Admaski MANY MANSIONS ?1961 + George Admaski COSMIC PHILOSOPHY 1961 + George Admaski * INSIDE THE FLYING SAUCERS 1955 + (INSIDE THE SPACE SHIPS) + George Admaski # FLYING SAUCERS HAVE LANDED 1953 + George Admaski PIONEERS OF SPACE A TRIP TO THE 1949 + MOON MARS AND VENUS + + Gordon W. Allen OVERLORDS OLYMPIANS AND THE UFO 1974 + Gordon W. Allen SPACECRAFT FROM BEYOND THREE 1959 + DIMENSIONS + + George C. Andrews EXTRATERRESTRIALS AMONG US ?1988 + + Orfeo Angelucci THE SECRET OF THE SAUCERS 1955 + + Kenneth Arnold THE COMING OF THE SAUCERS 1952 + + John C. Baird # THE INNER LIMITS OF OUTER SPACE 1987 + + Gray Barker GRAY BARKER AT GIANT ROCK 1976 + Gray Barker THE SILVER BRIDGE 1970 + Gray Barker THE BOOK OF GEORGE ADAMSKI 1965 + Gray Barker THE STRANGE CASE OF DR M K JESSUP 1963 + Gray Barker THEY KNEW TOO MUCH ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1958 + Gray Barker THE SUACERIAN REVIEW 1956 + + Madelene Barnothy THE EFFECTS OF MAGNETIC FIELDS 1964 + + Bill Barry ULTIMATE ENCOUNTER 1978 + + John Baxter THE FIRE CAME BY - THE RIDDLE OF 1976 + THE GREAT SIBERIAN EXPLOSION + + Robert B. Beard FLYING SAUCERS, UFO'S AND EXTRA + TERESTRIAL LIFE:A BIBLIOGRAPHY + OF BRITISH BOOKS 1971 + + Chessman Beere USP - PHYSICS FOR FLYING SAUCERS 1973 + + Albert Bender FLYING SAUCERS AND THE THREE MEN 1963 + Albert Bender SPACE REVIEW 1962 + + Hildegard Bender KNIGHTS OF THE SOLAR CROSS - 1968 + MESSAGES FROM OUTER SPACE + + Jacques Bergier ET INTERVENTION - THE EVIDENCE 1974 + Jacques Bergier ET VISITS FROM PREHISTORY + TO PRESENT 1970 + + ! Charles Berlitz * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 + Charles Berlitz * MYSTERIES FROM FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1972 + Charles Berlitz # THE MYSTERY OF ATLANTIS 1969 + + Raymond Bernard # THE HOLLOW EARTH 1969 + Raymond Bernard FLYING SAUCERS FROM EARTHS ?1969 + INTERIOR + + Truman Bethurum THE PEOPLE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1970 + Truman Bethurum FACING REALITY 1958 + Truman Bethurum THE VOICE OF THE PLANET CLARION 1957 + Truman Bethurum ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER 1954 + + Otto Billig FLYING SAUCERS: MAGIC IN THE + SKIES: A PSYCHOHISTORY 1982 + + Otto Binder UNSOLVED MYSTERIES OF THE PAST ?1974 + Otto Binder MANKIND CHILD OF THE STARS 1974 + Otto Binder FLYINF SAUCERS ARE WATCHING US 1968 + Otto Binder WHAT WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1967 + + Ted Bloecher REPORT ON THE UFO WAVE OF 1947 1967 + + Ralph Blum * BEYOND EARTH: MANS CONTACT + WITH UFO'S 1974 + + Josef Blumrich * THE SPACESHIPS OF EZEKIEL 1974 + + Yurko Bondarchuk UFO SIGHTINGS, LANDINGS + AND ABDUCTIONS 1979 + + Charles Bowen ENCOUNTER CASES FROM FLYING + SAUCER REVIEW 1977 + Charles Bowen UFO ENCOUNTERS (magazine) 1973 + Charles Bowen UFO'S IN TWO WORLDS (magazine) 1971 + Charles Bowen BEYOND CONDON 1969 + Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS - A SURVEY OF 1969 + WORLDWIDE REPORTS + Charles Bowen UFO PERCIPIENTS (magazine) 1969 + Charles Bowen THE HUMANOIDS (magazine) 1966 + + M. Bowen FLYING SAUCERS AND OUTER SPACE 1969 + + Don Boys FLYING SAUCERS: MYTHS, MADNESS + OR MADE IN MOSCOW ?1974 + + Ronald Bracewell THE GALACTIC CLUB 1975 + + Eugene Burt UFO'S AND DIAMAGNETISM 1970 + + Lynn E. Catoe UFO'S AND RELATED SUBJECTS: + AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY 1969 + + Maurice Chatelain * OUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM + OUTER SPACE 1975 + + Howard Chambers UFO"S FOR THE MILLIONS 1967 + + Robert Chapman UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1969 + + Robert Charroux LEGACY OF THE GODS 1974 + Robert Charroux THE GODS UNKNOW 1974 + Robert Charroux MASTERS OF THE WORLD 1974 + Robert Charroux FORGOTTEN WORLDS 1973 + Robert Charroux ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS OF 1971 + MANS UNKNOWN HISTORY + + Adrian V. Clark COSMIC MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE ?1969 + + Edward U. Condon SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED + FLYING OBJECTS 1969 + Gordon Cove WHO PILOTS THE FLYING SAUCERS ?1974 + + William R. Corliss * HANDBOOK OF UNUSUAL NATURAL + PHENOMENA 1977 + + Douglas Curran IN ADVANCE OF THE LANDING: FOLK + CONCEPTS OF OUTER SPACE 1985 + + Reilly H. Crabb FLYING SUACERS AT EDWARDS AFB ?1980 + + Leonard G. Cramp SPACE, GRAVITY AND THE + FLYING SAUCER ?1967 + + Ellen Crystal INVASION: THEY COME IN SILENCE ?1988 + + David M. Jacob's THE CONTROVERSY OVER FLYING + OBJECTS IN AMERICA 1869-1973 ?1986 + + Jay David THE FLYING SAUCER READER 1967 + + Isabel Davis CLOSE ENCOUNTERS AT KELLY + AND OTHERS OF 1955 1978 + Isabel Davis EXTRATERRESTRIALS SUGGESTED + MOTIVES AND ORIGIN 1969 + + Erich Von Daniken VON DANIKENS PROOF 1978 + Erich Von Daniken MIRACLES OF THE GODS 1976 + Erich Von Daniken RETURN TO THE STARS ?1974 + Erich Von Daniken IN SEARCH OF ANCIENT GODS 1973 + Erich Von Daniken # THE GOLD OF THE GODS 1972 + Erich Von Daniken * GODS FROM OUTER SPACE 1971 + Erich Von Daniken * CHARIOTS OF THE GODS 1970 + + L. S. DeCamp * THE ANCIENT ENGINEERS 1980 + + R. L. Dione * GOD DRIVES A FLYING SAUCER 1969 + + Barry Downing THE BIBLE AND FLYING SAUCERS 1968 + + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN THROUGHOUT + HISTORY 1975 + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN OF THE ANCIENT + WEST 1974 + Raymond W. Drake GODS AND SPACEMEN IN ANCIENT EAST 1968 + + Ann Druffel THE TUJUNGA CANYON CONTACTS 1980 + + George Eberhart UFO'S AND THE EXTRATERESTRIAL 1980 + CONTACT MOVEMENT: A BIBLIOGRAPHY 1986 + George Eberhart A GEO-BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ANOMALIES 1980 + + Martin Ebon # THE RIDDLE OF THE BERMUDA TRIANGL 1975 + + Frank Edwards FLYING SAUCERS HERE AND NOW 1967 + Frank Edwards * FLYING SAUCERS SERIOUS BUSINESS 1966 + Frank Edwards * STRANGER THAN SCIENCE 1959 + Frank Edwards * STRANGEST OF ALL 1956 + + Robert Emenegger UFO'S PAST PRESENT & FUTURE 1974 + + Walter Ernsting THE DAY THE GODS DIED 1971 + + Hilary Evans THE EVIDENCE FOR UFO'S 1983 + + Lawrence Fawcett # CLEAR INTENT: THE GOVERMENT + COVERUP OF THE UFO EXPERIENCE 1984 + + Randall Fitzgerald THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EXTRA + TERRESTRIAL ENCOUNTYERS 1979 + + Parls Flammonde UFO EXIST ?1987 + + Charles Fort COMPLETE BOOKS OF CHARLES FORT 1974 + Charles Fort LO! 1934 + + Raymond E. Fowler CASEBOOK OF A UFO INVESTIGATOR 1981 + Raymond E. Fowler # THE ANDREASSON AFFAIR 1979 + + Stanton Friedman UFO'S TODAY 1974 + Stanton Friedman UFO'S MYTH AND MYSTERY 1971 + Stanton Friedman FLYING SAUCER ENERGETICS 1970 + + Daniel Fry THE WHITE SANDS INCIDENT 1966 + + Curtis Fuller PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST + INTERNATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 + + John G. Fuller ALIENS IN THE SKIES ?1970 + John G. Fuller * THE INTERUPTED JOURNEY 1966 + John G. Fuller * INCIDENT AT EXETER 1966 + + Judith Gansberg DIRECT ENCOUNTERS 1980 + + Richard Garvin # THE CRYSTAL SKULL 1973 + + Gavin Gibbons THEY RODE IN SPACESHIPS 1957 + + Daniel Gillmor SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UFO'S 1969 + + Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS FROM THE FOURTH 1974 + DIMENSION + Kurt Glemser FLYING SAUCERS AND THE INNER 1974 + EARTH + Kurt Glemser THE MEN IN BLACK REPORT 1973 + Kurt Glemser UFO'S: MENACE FROM THE SKIES 1972 + Kurt Glemser THEY WALK AMONG US 1970 + + Timothy Good GEORGE ADAMSKI THE UNTOLD STORY ?1988 + + Gabriel Green LETS FACE THE FACTS ABOUT + FLYING SAUCERS 1967 + + Irving Greenfield THE UFO REPORT 1967 + + Barry Greenwood CLEAR INTENT ?1988 + + Richard F. Haines OBSERVING UFO'S: AN INVESTIGATIVE + HANDBOOK 1980 + + David Haisell * THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS 1978 + David Haisell THE MISSING SEVEN HOURS REVEALED 1978 + + ! Richard H. Hall * UNINVITED GUESTS 1988 + Richard H. Hall THE UFO EVIDENCE 1964 + Richard H. Hall CHALLANGE OF UFO'S ?1966 + + W. A. Harbinson * THE LIGHT OF EDEN 1987 + W. A. Harbinson * OTHERWORLD 1984 + W. A. Harbinson REVELATION ???? + ! W. A. Harbinson * GENESIS 1980 + + Clive Harold THE UNINVITED: A TRUE STORY 1979 + + Gerald Heard IS ANOTHER WORLD WATCHING 1953 + + Allan Hendry THE UFO HANDBOOK 1979 + + James Holledge FLYING SAUCERS OVER AUSTRALIA 1965 + + Bud Hopkins * MISSING TIME: A DOCUMENTED STUDY + OF UFO ABDUCTIONS 1981 + Bud Hopkins * INTRUDERS: THE INCREDIBLE + VISITATIONS AT COPLEY WOODS 1987 + Bud Hopkins INTRUDERS AMONG US ?1987 + + ! Allan J. Hynek * THE HYNEK UFO REPORT 1977 + Allan J. Hynek THE EDGE OF REALITY 1975 + Allan J. Hynek * THE UFO EXPERIENCE A SCIENTIFIC + INQUIRY 1972 + + Phil Imbrogno # NIGHT SIEGE THE HUDSON VALLEY UFO 1987 + + D. Jacobs THE UFO CONTROVERCY IN AMERICA 1975 + + Trevor James THEY LIVE IN THE SKY ?1967 + + M. K. Jessup THE EXPANDING CASE FOR UFO'S 1957 + M. K. Jessup # THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 1955 + ! M. K. Jessup THE CASE FOR THE UFO'S 1956 + (ANOTATED "VARO" EDITION) + M. K. Jessup THE UFO ANNUAL 1956 + M. K. Jessup UFO AND THE BIBLE 1956 + + Carl Jung FLYING SAUCERS: A MODERN MYTH + OF THINGS SEEN IN THE SKY 1959 + + John A. Keel THE MAN WHO INVENTED FLYING + SAUCERS 1983 + John A. Keel THE EIGHTH TOWER 1975 + John A. Keel THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES 1975 + John A. Keel * OUR HAUNTED PLANET 1971 + John A. Keel UFO'S OPERATION TROJAN HORSE 1970 + + C. F. Keil COMMENTARY ON THE OLD TESTAMENT 1966 + + Major Donald E. Keyhoe * ALIENS FROM SPACE... THE REAL + STORY OF UFO'S 1973 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS TOP SECRET 1960 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCER CONSPIRACY 1955 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS FROM OUTER SPACE 1953 + Major Donald E. Keyhoe FLYING SAUCERS ARE REAL 1950 + + K. A. Kichen ANCIENT ORIENT AND OLD TESTAMENT 1966 + + Gary Kinder * LIGHT YEARS 1987 + + Phillip Klass UFO'S THE PUBLIC DECIEVED 1983 + Phillip Klass UFO'S EXPLAINED 1974 + Phillip Klass UFO'S IDENTIFIED 1968 + + Peter Kolosimo NOT OF THIS WORLD 1971 + + Dino Kraspedon MY CONTACT WITH FLYING SAUCERS 1959 + + Alan Landsburg * THE OUTER SPACE CONNECTION 1975 + + George Leonard SOMEONE ELSE IS ON THE MOON ?1988 + + Brinsley LePoer Trench SECRET OF THE AGES - UFO's 1975 + FROM INSIDE THE EARTH + Brinsley LePoer Trench OPERATION EARTH 1974 + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE ETERNAL SUBJECT 1973 + (THE UFO STORY) + Brinsley LePoer Trench FLYING SAUCERS HAVE ARRIVED 1970 + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE FLYING SAUCER STORY 1970 + Brinsley LePoer Trench TEMPLE OF THE STARS 1962 + (MEN AMONG MANKIND) + Brinsley LePoer Trench THE SKY PEOPLE 1960 + + Gordon Lindsay THE RIDDLE OF THE FLYING SAUCERS 1972 + Gordon Lindsay THE ANTICHRISTS HAVE COME 1958 + + Howard Liss UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 + + Robert Loftin IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 1968 + + Gordon Lore Jr. STRANGE EFFECTS FROM UFO'S 1969 + Gordon Lore Jr. MYSTERIES OF THE SKIES: UFO'S + IN PERSPECTIVE 1968 + + Robert W. Loosley AN ACCOUNT OF A MEETING WITH + DENIZENS OF ANOTHER WORLD 1971 + + Coral Lorenzen ABDUCTED! 1977 + Coral Lorenzen ENCOUNTERS WITH UFO OCCUPANTS 1976 + Coral Lorenzen UFO'S THE WHOLE STORY 1969 + Coral Lorenzen * UFO'S OVER THE AMERICAS 1968 + Coral Lorenzen FLYING SAUCER OCCUPANTS 1967 + Coral Lorenzen * THE FLYING SAUCER HOAX 1966 + Coral Lorenzen (FLYING SAUCERS: THE STARTLING + EVIDENCE OF THE INVITATION FROM + OUTER SPACE) 1966 + + Duncan Lunan * MYSTERIOUS SIGNALS FROM + OUTER SPACE 1974 + + Larry Maddock THE FLYING SAUCER GAMBIT 1966 + + Kenneth c. McCulloch MANKIND CITIZEN OF THE GALAXY ?1988 + + John Magor OUR UFO VISITORS 1977 + + Howard Menger FROM OUTER SPACE TO YOU 1959 + + John Manas FLYING SAUCERS ANS SPACEMEN 1962 + + Dr. Donald Menzel THE UFO ENIGMA 1977 + Dr. Donald Menzel UFO FACT OR FICTION 1967 + Dr. Donald Menzel THE WORLD OF FLYING SAUCERS 1963 + Dr. Donald Menzel FLYING SAUCERS 1953 + + Aime Michel FLYING SAUCERS AND THE STRAIGHT + LINE MYSTERY 1958 + Aime Michel THE TRUTH ABOUT FLYING SAUCERS 1956 + + John Michell * THE FLYING SAUCER VISION 1967 + + Helen Mitchell WE MET THE SPACE PEOPLE ?1970 + + William L. Moore THE SPITZBERGEN SAUCER CRASH ?1988 + William L. Moore CRASHED UFO'S: EVIDENCE IN THE + SEARCH FOR PROOF ?1988 + William L. Moore UFO'S THE MOST HIGHLY CLASSIFIED + SUBJECT 1986 + ! William L. Moore * THE ROSWELL INCIDENT 1980 + ! William L. Moore * THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT 1979 + + Jim Moseley THE WRIGHT FIELD STORY 1971 + Jim Moseley JIM MOSELEY'S BOOK OF SAUCER NEWS 1967 + + Israel Norkin SAUCER DIARY 1957 + + Erich Norman GODS AND DEVILS FROM OUTER SPACE 1973 + Erich Norman * GODS, DEMONS AND SPACE CHARIOTS 1970 + + James E. Oberg UFO'S AND OUTER SPACE MYSTERIES: + + Thomas Olsen THE REFERENCE FOR OUTSTANDING + UFO SIGHTING REPORTS ?1968 + + Ray Palmer THE REAL UFO INVASION 1968 + + Michael Parry CHARIOTS OF FIRE 1974 + A SYMPATHETIC SKEPTICS REPORT 1982 + + T. B. Pawlicki HOW TO BUILD A FLYING SAUCER AND + OTHER PROPOSALS IN SPECULATIVE + ENGINEERING 1981 + + Ted Peters UFO'S GOD'S CHARIOTS 1977 + + Ted Phillips PHYSICAL TRACES ASSOCIATED WITH 1975 + UFO SIGHTINGS + + Randolfo Raphael Pozos # THE FACE ON MARS ?1980 + + UFO Congress PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST INTER + NATIONAL UFO CONGRESS 1980 + + Jenny Randles SKY CRASH: A COSMIC CONSPIRACY 1984 + Jenny Randles SCIENCE AND THE UFO'S 1985 + Jenny Randles UFO REALITY: A CRITICAL LOOK + AT THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE 1983 + + Richard M. Rasmussen THE UFO LITERATURE: A COMPREHEN + SIVE BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS IN + ENGLISH 1985 + + J. Rimmer THE EVIDENCE FOR ALIEN ABDUCTIONS 1984 + + Edward J. Ruppelt THE REPORT ON UNIDENTIFIED + FLYING OBJECTS 1956 + + Harley D. Rutledge PROJECT IDENTIFICATION: THE + FIRST SCIENTIFIC FIELD STUDY + OF THE UFO PHENOMENA 1981 + + Margaret Sachs THE UFO ENCYCLOPEDIA 1980 + Margaret Sachs CELESTRIAL PASSENGERS: UFO'S + AND SPACE TRAVEL 1977 + + Carl Sagan OTHER WORLDS 1975 + Carl Sagan THE COSMIC CONNECTION 1973 + Carl Sagan UFO'S A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE 1972 + Carl Sagan INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE 1967 + + Thierry J. Sagnier * THE UFO REPORT 1983 + + Frank Salisbury THE UTAH UFO DISPLAY 1974 + + Ivan Sanderson UNINVITED VISITORS 1967 + Ivan Sanderson INVISIBLE RESIDENTS 1970 + + David Saunders UFO's? YES!: WHERE THE CONDON + REPORT WENT WRONG 1968 + + Frank Scully # BEHIND THE FLYING SAUCERS 1950 + + Jean Sendy * THE COMING OF THE GODS 1970 + Jean Sendy * THE GODS WHO MADE HEAVEN & EARTH 1969 + Jean Sendy THE MOON: OUTPOST OF THE GODS 1968 + + Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING + THE EVIDENCE 1980 + + Arthur Shuttlewood UFO'S KEY TO THE NEW AGE 1971 + Arthur Shuttlewood WARNING FROM FLYING FRIENDS 1968 + Arthur Shuttlewood * THE WARMINSTER MYSTERY 1967 + + MS Smith THE UFO ENIGMA 1976 + Warren Smith # SECRET OF THE HOLLOW EARTH 1976 + Warren Smith # SECRET FORCES OF THE PYRAMIDS 1975 + + Garder Soule UFO'S AND IFO'S 1967 + + John Spenser * PHENOMENON FORTY YEARS OF + FLYING SUACERS 1988 + John Spencer # NO EARTHLY EXPLANATION 1974 + John Spencer LIMBO OF THE LOST 1969 + + Gerome Stanton FLYING SAUCERS HOAX OR REALITY 1966 + + Roger Stanway FLYING SAUCER REPORT - UFO'S + UNIDENTIFIED AND UNDENIABLE 1968 + + Fred Steckling UFO'S WHY ARE THEY HERE? 1969 + + Brad Steiger # THE FELLOWSHIP 1988 + Brad Steiger * THE UFO ABDUCTORS 1988 + Brad Steiger THE STAR PEOPLE ?1988 + Brad Steiger REVELATION: THE DIVINE FIRE ?1988 + Brad Steiger WORLDS BEFORE OUR OWN ?1988 + Brad Steiger * ALIEN MEETINGS 1978 + Brad Steiger GODS OF AQUARIOUS 1976 + Brad Steiger PROJECT BLUEBOOK 1976 + Brad Steiger THE NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH ?1976 + Brad Steiger # MYSTERIES OF TIME AND SPACE 1974 + Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCER INVASION - TARGET 1969 + EARTH + Brad Steiger ALLENDE LETTERS 1968 + Brad Steiger NEW UFO BREAKTHROUGH 1968 + Brad Steiger FLYING SAUCERS ARE HOSTILE 1967 + Brad Steiger THE FLYING SAUCER MENACE 1967 + Brad Steiger STRANGERS FROM THE SKIES 1966 + + William Steinman UFO CRASH AT AZTEC ?1988 + + Robert Sheaffer THE UFO VERDICT: EXAMINING + THE EVIDENCE 1980 + + Jack Stonely * IS ANYONE OUT THERE 1974 + + Ronald Story UFO'S AND THE LIMITS OF SCIENCE 1981 + Ronald Story # THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF UFO'S 1980 + Ronald Story GUARDIANS OF THE UNIVERSE 1980 + Ronald Story THE SPACE GODS REVEALED A CLOSE 1976 + LOOK AT THE THEORIES OF ERICH + VON DANIKEN + + Frank Stranges THE STRANGER AT THE PENTAGON 1972 + Frank Stranges MY FRIEND FROM BEYOND EARTH 1960 + Frank Stranges FLYING SAUCERAMA 1959 + + Whitley Strieber # TRANSFORMATION 1988 + Whitley Strieber * COMMUNION 1987 + + Leonard Stringfield * SITUATION RED: UFO SIEGE 1977 + Leonard Stringfield INSIDE SAUCER POST 3-0 BLUE 1957 + + Richard Tambling FLYING SAUCERS WHERE DO + THEY COME FROM 1967 + + Paul Thomas FYING SAUCERS THROUGH THE AGES 1965 + + Andrew Tomas * WE ARE NOT THE FIRST 1971 + + James Trevor THEY LIVE IN THE SKY 1958 + + Jacques Vallee CHALLENGE TO SCIENCE: + THE UFO ENIGMA 1966 + Jacques Vallee MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION: UFO + CONTACTS AND CULTS 1979 + Jacques Vallee DIMENSIONS: A CASEBOOK OF + ALIEN CONTACT ???? + Jacques Vallee THE INVISIBLE COLLEGE ?1978 + Jacques Vallee * ANATOMY OF A PHENOMENON 1965 + Jacques Vallee UFO'S IN SPACE 1965 + Jacques Vallee * THE UFO ENIGMA: CHALLENGE 1966 + TO SCIENCE + Jacques Vallee PASSPORT TO MAGONIA 1969 + + ! Renato Vesco * INTRCEPT / UFO 1968 + (INTERCEPT BUT DONT SHOOT) + + Travis Walton THE WALTON EXPERIENCE 1978 + + David Webb YEAR OF THE HUMANOIDS 1974 + + David Wheeler THE LUBBOCK LIGHTS 1977 + + Dale White IS SOMETHING UP THERE? 1969 + + P. J. Wilcox THE UFO QUESTION 1976 + + Harold T. Wilkins FLYING SAUCERS UNCENSORED 1956 + Harold T. Wilkins * FLYING SAUCERS ON THE ATTACK 1954 + Harold T. Wilkins STRANGE MYSTERIES OF TIME + & SPACE ?1954 + + George Hunt Williamson OTHER TONGUES, OTHER FLESH ?1988 + George Hunt Williamson THE SAUCERS SPEAK ?1966 + + Dr. Clifford Wilson * CRASH GO THE CHARIOTS 1972 + Dr. Clifford Wilson * THE ALIEN AGENDA 1974 + Dr. Clifford Wilson UFO'S & THEIR MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 1974 + Dr. Clifford Wilson IN THE BEGINNING GOD 1970 + + Don Wilson OUR MYSTERIOUS SPACESHIP MOON 1975 + + T. M. Wright THE INTELLIGENT MAN'S GUIDE + TO FLYING SAUCERS 1968 + + Bob Young FLYING SAUCERS ARE - BOOK TWO 1959 + + Mort Young UFO: TOP SECRET 1967 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1130.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1130.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..23f805cb --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1130.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO INTELLIGENCE NEWSLETTER - FEBRUARY 1990 FILE: UFO1130 + + + UFO INTELLIGENCE NEWSLETTER ISSUE NUMBER 19 FEBRUARY 1990 + +Ed: Fran Ridge / UFO FILTER CTR / 618 Davis Dr. / Mt. Vernon, IN. 47620 + + ****************************************** + +SIGHTINGS ON INCREASE AND OTHER STRANGE THINGS + It's too early to get an accurate handle on national activity for January, +but regional activity is picking up. Indiana has recorded four cases already, +one of which is too sketchy to list on the IS (Intelligence Summary) this +month. Also, Corydon, Indiana, a UFO hotspot of the last four years has had +three earthquakes: 1/24 1:20PM 4.0, 1/27 9:06AM 3.5 & 1/29 2:41PM 3.0. +Ron Street of the Dept. of Geology at the University of Lexington told me that +this was NOT an active area and a lot of weird things are happening in the re- +gion. I told him about our MADAR detections in December (12th, 17th, & 22nd). +He reported a 2.8 near Mayfield, KY. on the 23rd of December that was not re- +ported to the news media. + January also produced a few other UFO cases just in. One NL occured at New- +ton, NJ. Of more interest was the CE1 at Wanaque, NJ. If you remember, there +were numerous sightings over the reservoir in the 60's. NICAP investigated +those cases. + +OCTOBER SIGHTINGS + As you may have noticed, October entries make up about 1/2 of the IS this +month, and are still coming in. Most of the data is repeat information, some +greater detail in some cases. The nebulous material, especially where there is +no date given, is not listed at all on the IS. But, what you see (& got) is im- +pressive IF not `generated' by the Russian incident of September 27 and the re- +sultant media coverage. The calibre or quality of the events appears to indi- +cate they were genuine and that more people simply made the effort to call in a +UFO report. + What impact COMMUNION had on sightings being reported is unknown. It appears +that the movie was not released in many areas at all, or for any length of time. + +WASHINGTON BUREAU FOR UFO REPORTS? + REF: 10/27/89 4:45AM HARRISON, AR. - Witness "contacted NASA who put them +in touch with a UFO investigative team `in Washington'". The bureau in Washing- +ton gave the two women a lot of information about UFO sightings, plus they gave +them a little information about their sighting which really surprised them. Some +of the things they told them were pretty scary, the women said." (Source: NCS +245-5). Were these women really given information such as this? Are they really +aware of who they talked to? Most callers are referred to the National UFO Re- +porting Center at Seattle Washington, not Washington, DC. However, recent wit- +nesses have stated that they have talked to military officers when given a UFO +hotline number! Some state it was Washington DC. Others say the person on the +hotline was an AF major or a Col. in the Coast Guard. If this is a government +number, why are they giving out this type of information? If this is not, some +persons are getting the wrong impression. + +ROSWELL CRASH EXPLAINED? + According to John Keel in a recent article of FATE (March 1990), he has the +answer to the Roswell incident-Fugo balloons! Some 9000 paper & balsawood bal- +loons, constructed by school children were launched by the Japanese to raise +havoc in the U.S. Knowledge of these launches and crashes were top secret in- +formation. "The biggest breech of this security occured in July 1947, at the +height of the first `flying saucer scare' when, after a sever storm, the re- +mains of one of these balloons was found on a ranch in Lincoln County, New Mex- +ico." Come on now, John! This incident would have been defused many years ago +by an admission by the U.S. authorities if indeed it was a Fugo balloon near +Roswell. Maj. Jessee Marcel & Mac Brazel, the key witnesses, would not have had +any problem denting this material with a sledge hammer! There would have been +no case. + +FT. MONMOUTH RADAR/VISUAL SIGHTINGS + Upon reading Timothy Good's ABOVE TOP SECRET I came across a document con- +cerning the 10 September 1951 episode which describes, in more detail, the at- +tempted chase of a UFO by a T-33 crew (a Major & a Lt.). This followed a ground +radar/visual incident where student radar operators were demonstrating auto +track to some visiting brass. The radar could not lock on! Well, the story goes +that several tracks during those few days in September were all caused by bal- +loons! It's true that the case is not listed in the AF unknown printout, so the +only doubt I have is in the one case and the above mentioned document. A T-33 +jet could close on a wind-blown balloon very quickly. Pilots see balloons all +the time. Was this just another good case thrown out by the AF analysts? I'd +like to hear some comments. + + ******************************* + +The UFO INTELLIGENCE NEWSLETTER and the UFO INTELLIGENCE SUMMARY as well as +monthly UFO reports and statstics may be purchased, at a nominal fee, (covers +postage and copy charges) from Fran Ridge at the address at the beginning of +this article. Anyone having sighting information is encouraged to contact +Mr. Ridge and make a report or please E-Mail me, and I will send the info to +him. Every report helps to identify trends. Thanks. BB + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1131.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1131.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0a716284 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1131.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +SUBJECT: TWO WISCONSON GIRLS ABDUCTED BY UFO FILE: UFO1131 + + + +From: Executive News Svc. [72135,424] +Subj: APia 09/22 SpaceWomen + + MENASHA, Wis. (AP) -- Aliens from other planets have spirited two +Menasha women off to space at least seven times each in the past 11 +years, according to the pair, who insist "We're not kooks." + Judie Woolcott and Bonnie Meyer head a loosely knit group called +the Fox Valley UFO Discussion & Support Group, which meets Sunday +nights. + The two say they realized only in the last year with the help of +hypnotherapy that they had been abducted by space beings. A +Milwaukee hypnotherapist conducts their sessions. + "We didn't know we were abducted," Ms. Woolcott said. + "A lot of people are abducted and they don't know it," Ms. +Meyer added. "Your mind blocks it out." + The two say they were abducted together six times and once each +separtely. Ms. Woolcott declined to give details of her abduction. + But Ms. Meyer said she remembers being taken while her family +slept. She said she called for help, but the aliens put her family +in suspended animation and they couldn't respond. + Ms. Woolcott said she first became interested in unidentified +flying objects when she photographed a streak of light she called a +UFO several years ago. The reaction of her long-time friend, Ms. +Meyer, was to consider hospitalizing Ms. Woolcott, the two said. + The two also described a joint abduction and say they spent time +on another planet that took 93 minutes to reach on an alien craft. + The two say they were taken after a UFO meeting in Appleton when +their two families were camping in New London. The night they were +abducted, they left Appleton at 10:30 p.m., but didn't get to the +campsite until 1:30 a.m. + They have since timed the drive from Appleton to the campsite at +32 minutes, but couldn't account for the missing time until they +were hypnotized. + "I said, `Oh my God,' we really were aboard a spacecraft," Ms. +Woolcott said. "It's one thing to say it, but it's another to find +out that it's true." + The women say space beings don't look like human beings. + Ms. Meyer also noted that during one of her abductions, space +creatures put microscopic implants behind her ears. The devices +force feed information into her brain, she said. + "I'm not supposed to understand yet," she said. "We are being +taught to help the people of Earth." + Both women say they're used to people not believing them. + "We've gotten so used to being called kooks and crazy that we +don't pay any attention to it anymore," Ms. Meyer said. + But, "We're not kooks," Ms. Woolcott said. + <<>> + ************************************ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1132.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1132.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9a5adbb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1132.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +SUBJECT: 1960's PREDICTIONS FOR THE FUTURE FILE: UFO1132 +====================================================================== + +====================================================================== + + The following letter speaks for itself and was sent to Project + BLUE BOOK sometime before 1967. It is interesting that the writer + mentions Ford and Ronald Reagan many years before their rise to + prominence. It is also interesting to see that blood substitute is + mentioned over 23 years ago along with cattle mutilation. + + + + Gentlemen: + + The man driving his truck in Ohio, who was stopped + by a flying saucer is in his right mind. The "person" who + got out of the saucer is the "captain" of that particular + vehicle. The man in the truck and the saucer captain did + speak by mental telepathy . . . denoting one of the ad- + vantages the saucer captain had over the mortal man in the + truck. The saucer captain said he was from a much + weaker and or smaller nation than the U.S. basically, this + is true - but only conditionally. I will explain. please bear + with me even though what I have to say may sound somewhat + incredible. + + Make no mistake, all things I state here are true. In the + name of JESUS CHRIST these are the truths. The saucers + are not really from outer space, in the sense of a world or + planet that is inhabited by beings. This applies [sic] to all + the planets, stars, etc. The saucers are not from earth in + the sense that some country in this world as we know it + has secretly developed these saucers. Seeing that the saucers- + are from neither outer space or earth . . . they are from + an interim state. The "beings" that captain these saucers + number 79, and each of the 79 has his own saucer. The 79 + pass as earth men in the sense that no human could tell one + of the 79 from an ordinary fellow human. The identification + is that close. However, these 79, though much more [sic] + ''advanced'' than our earth technology, do have two char- + characteristics that are positively very different from humans + - physically. They have imitation eyes . . . a type of + optic prism that cannot be discerned from human eyes . . . + unless actually probed. Secondly, these "men" have no + blood as we know blood to be. Their circulatory system + has instead a saline type hemoglobin - preservative substitute. + This substitute blood must he refurbished at quite + frequent intervals. Check with Michael Reese Hospital in + Chicago. They are now working on such a blood substitute. + (The saucers have been known to slaughter or lift + up cattle to their vehicles. Also the saucers are seen mu n + around reservoirs. The combination has to do with their + composing their blood substitute. Michael Reese will confirm + composition.) + + The smaller and / or weaker nation that the captain + spoke of to the man in the truck is Egypt. Before 1983 + the saucers will land in mass in the area of Egypt. They + will say they are from outer space, from a planet and + civilization that is far advanced in comparison to ours' + They will state that other planets are inhabited "out there" + and that there is no GOD. Puny man will he tested to the + very limits of his faith. The Russian cosmonauts who + went 130 miles into space have already stated, because of + their so - called great achievement, that there is no GOO + in space. Beware, there is a GOD in Heaven . . . the proof + that this country of ours exists is certification. Without + GOD there would he no reason for America. This is the + great Christian nation of the world. The U.S. is the major + target to be destroyed by the 79. + + Bear with me please. Before the 79 endow Egypt with + their saucer technology' the U.S. will have captured two + or three or four of these vehicles to learn from. Understand + this is the time for the world and mankind to see + what we ordinarily deem as "spirit," to now, by many + means, be seen by mortal man in what he calls reality. + In other words, the spiritual will now become seen by man. + For example . . . These 79 are not of human origin. They + are fallen angels. They have murdered 79 men and have + commandeered their bodies. The only changes are the two + I mentioned. This 79 is each one locked into this lost body + forever. They are evil . . . in fact their leader is the inventor + of evil ' . . Satan . . . now known by one identity as + Jahausha Salad, a gynecologist who delivered Empress + Farah's babies [Iran]. + + The saucers are manned by crews of humanoids . . . not + fallen angels. These humanoids are kidnapped, murdered + children with devils . . . one each in each body . . . + taking possession. These humanoids are under command + to each of the 79. + + The saucers can be hidden on earth or can be "at rest" + outer space as the 79 fallen angels carry on their pretense + earth of being mankind. + + Some of these 79 are very powerful and prominent + people'' who control the destinies of countries. The sole + purpose of the 79 is to disrupt and impede and tempt mankind + all over the world to the point where mankind fights + and destroys himself. Because GOD protects man from + these 79, the 79 cannot directly destroy man. But GOD + permits man to he tested in faith. The 79 tell one story, a + lie. GOD tells the truth - man has free will to choose. + These 79 can read minds. They never need sleep and + saucers travel at the speed of light. (However, the evil + 79 lack the courage to go this fast. They have travelled + 60,000 miles per second. Good man must top this to + overcome the tactics of the 79.) The saucers travel magnetically + . Please hear me out. The denials of existence of + flying saucers is not your fault. You have orders that come + from your so - called seniors. If this was traced all + the way up it would show that Robert MacNamara is the + issuer of the flying saucer secrecy order. He denies they + exist and has told his commanders to deny their existence. + It is most interesting because Robert MacNamara, Secre- + of Defense for the U.S., knows more about flying + saucers and the authenticity than anyone in the whole U.S. + military - Robert MacNamara is a captain of a flying saucer + He is a fallen angel in the murdered body of Robert + MacNamara. This took place in 1959. He is a very evil and + dangerous man. His total dedication is to obey Satan and + destroy the United States. Not by direct action (he cannot + do that) but by stealth, temptation, and dissipation of the + U.S. strength - MacNamara can read president Johnson's + mind so it was not difficult for him to integrate [sic] himself + to the president. There is much much, much more to + this than I put down here. I can prove each thing I say + here. Hold onto this letter you will see MacNamara banished + to Egypt in 1967. Gerald Ford of the U.S. House of + Representatives is also a fallen angel. Here are some more + names and their countries: + + l. Malenovsky - Russia + 2. Kitti Kachoru - Thailand + 3. Holt - Australia + 4. Chou En Lai - China + 5. Lin Piao - China + 6. Chung Hee Park - S. Korea + 7. Breznyev - Russia + 8. Souvanna Phouma - Laos + 9. Raoul Castro - Cuba + 10. Ronald Reagan - U.S. + ll. Adam Clayton Powell - U.S. + 12. Otto Preminger - U.S. + 13. George Lincoln Rockwell - U.S. + 14. Robert Welch - U.S. + 15. Dr. P. Peruma - NASA - U.S. + 16. Tou Duc Thong - N. Viet Nam + 17. Erhard - Germany + 18. Mikoyan - Russia + 19. George Brown - England etc. + + I pray you hold on to this letter and see what GOD + does to evil. + Yours in CHRIST + J. S. + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1133.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1133.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fab78323 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1133.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +SUBJECT: BRIEF LISTING FROM 12/28 FROM UFO MAGAZINE FILE: UFO1133 + + +Synopsis - Last 1988 Issue of UFO Magazine [Vol. 3, No. 5] + + + UFO Magazine's last issue for '89 takes a sharp high science and +communications turn with articles on alternative media and satellite technology. + +FORUM: The Opinion section leads off with DON ECKER'S [ ed. CompuServe's +74270,3360. Way to go Don!] persuasive argument in favor of a ufological summit +meeting, where competitive researchers will iron out differences and unite to +address ufology's most pressing concerns. UFOlogists RON SCHAFFNER and R.P. +COLLINS tackle the control factor in UFO research, with its tight hold on the +public consciousness and deft use of intelligence agencies. Fascinating case +material highlights the viewpoints. + +ALTERNATIVE MEDIA: _UFO's_ round-up of the on-line options in UFO information +and entertainment, including the expanding, globally important video and +computer systems. + +UFOSTAT: With all the watchful high tech that cruises our skies, a spy satellite +especially equipped for UFO detection isn't out of the question -- according to +aerospace professional Ron Regehr. + +MARS OBSERVER: Project Scientist Dr. Arden Albee, Professor of Geology at +California Institute of Technology, explains the basics of NASA's Mars Observer +mission, a fabulous survey satellite scheduled to launch in 1992. + +CONTACTEE: FIRST HAND: Contributor Martin Cannon interviewed a UFO witness whose +story of psychiatric abuse serves as a warning and action alert to everyone in +the field. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1134.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1134.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..836d3b24 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1134.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO RESEARCHER: "THEY ARE HERE" FILE: UFO1134 + + +JOURNAL, Poughkeepsie, NY - Nov. 18, 1989 + +UFO RESEARCHER: "THEY ARE HERE" +SPEAKER DESCRIBES ENCOUNTERS, ABDUCTIONS OF COUPLE + +by Jim Haviland +Journal staff + +HUDSON - "They are here - whoever they are!" + That's the message from researcher Bruce Maccabee about Unidentified Flying Objects that have been sighted throughout the world, including the Hudson Valley. + A cililian employee of the U.S. Navy in physics research, Maccabee described his investigation of "The Gulf Breeze UFO Case" near Pensacola, Fla., when speaking Thursday night at Columbia-Greene Community College. + Maccabee's talk centered on the UFO encounters and abductions of a Pensacola, Fla., couple near their home on the Gulf. Others in the Pensacola area also said they saw UFOs. + He showed several photos taken by Ed and Francis Walters - some of which were published in the Gulf Breeze Sentinel newspaper. Maccabee said the photos taken by Walters, a contractor, indicated rotation of the object in the sky. + "When you look inside it, you can't tell what it is or explain what's going on or how it is powered," he said. + "When Walters went into the road outside his house to take photos he was engulfed in a blue mist as he raised his camera to take a photo," said Maccabee. "He reported feeling like he was frozen in concrete and couldn't move." + Walters said he heard a "humming noise like mechanical winds heard mechanical words which said "don't be afraid, we won't hurt you." Maccabee said. + Maccabee said Walters fell down in the street when hit with the blue beam, then was released. Walters estimated that he had been in the blue beam for about 10 seconds, and when he looked up saw nothing in the sky. + Maccabee said Walters spoke about smelling a strange odor and explained that it had penetrated his nose while he was in the blue beam. He described it as a cinnamon-type odor. + Walters said that he had felt sucked into the beam and wanted to alert the community so no children would be sucked into it and dissappear, Maccabee said. That prompted him to write a letter to the local newspaper about the UFO photos he had taken. + When the photos were published, others in the community also said they had seen a sinilar object in the sky. + Maccabee said Walters told him that after the first experience he would hear a humming noise in his head just before he saw another UFO. + "When the UFO came back," said the investigator, "Walters received a communication in his head. They said that they had come for him, and that he should step forward and he would not be hurt." + Maccabee said Walters and his wife had more experiences with the blue beam from the UFO when they again took photos. Once, Walters claimed the blue beam immobilized his leg while he was on a screen porch taking photos of the UFO. + Maccabee said that Walters later saw an alien outside his home and had been abducted by the aliens with "missing time" involved. + He said that under hyponosis Walters discovered he had been abducted several times by the aliens at the ages of 11, 17, 25, 33, and 42. + Walters had UFO sightings in Gulf Breeze in 1987 and 1988 with the most recent one Sept. 12, 1989. + Walters never got a photograph of one of the aliens. "The only photo taken of an alien that I know of was taken in England in 1986." Maccabee said. + Maccabee said many people belive all UFO reports are hoaxes. Some UFO reports are actually other object in the sky that have been misidentified. Venus is often mistaken for a UFO, he said. + But Maccabee said there are other "hard core reports," such as Walters', when people describe structural things seen in the sky. + He described the encounters with aliens thaty Whitley Strieber, author of "Communion," reported at his Ulster County home near Accord. "Whitley was concerned over what happened to him and loads his books with his own speculation," Maccabee said. + Strieber concluded "that there are vistors and that they do nasty things to people," Maccabee said. + Maccabee also described the UFO investigations of Bub Hopkins, who wrote the book "Missing Time." He said Hopkins has a different approach and belives aliens are using people as guinea pigs. + "There is speculation that there are genetic experiments and maybe inter-breeding going on with the aliens trying to learn something about our mental states," Maccabee said. "We do not know what it is all isfor. But it is not particularly amusing." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1135.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1135.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c12df267 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1135.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO CLAIMS ARE SOARING, SAY EXPERTS FILE: UFO1135 + +SOUTHEND STANDARD, ESSEX, ENGLAND-OCT. 13, 1989 + + + + The number of UFO sightings in South East Essex is soaring, say experts. + And 19 families in the last year claim to have made contact with a creature from out of space-some "losing" up to three hours of their lives after their close encounters. + Sheridan Lane, of the East Anglian UFO and Paranormal Association, said 1,400 sky searchers contacted them between July 1988 and July this year. + She said: "The number of sightings has dramatically increased. There seems to be more and more visitations by inidentified objects. + "Nineteen people have told us that they have made contact with an alien. In most cases individuals have been driving along when their car has suddenly stalled. + "In most cases their memories have been vague as to what has actually happened but the amount of time they have lost has varied between 20 minutes and three hours." + In the last fortnight dozens of people have contacted the society's hotline to report sightings. + On September 29, two penioners on their way home from bingo in Southend report seeing a huge object, much bigger than an aeroplne. It was diamond shaped with a brilliant white light shining through two windows. + Earlier that night a man in Stanford-le-Hope asid he saw a triangular object above his house. + On the same night a Basildon couple watched an object with red, green and white lights hovering above the Basildon telephone exchange. + ON October 1, a widower in Tilbury was woken from his sleep at 12:12am by a bright white light which lit up his whole bedroom and garden. + On October 2, a husband, sife and daughter walking their dog along Underhill Road, South Benfleet, spotted a triangular shaped object. It was very large with red, green, blue and white lights. It sped away after they had watched it for 20 minutes. + And on October 4, a couple in Canvey saw a huge saucer shaped like a skate fish at 9:30pm. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1136.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1136.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ecae5c4d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1136.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTING FILE: UFO1136 + + +EVENING SENTINEL, STOKE-ON-TRENT, ENGLAND +Dec. 7, 1989 + + + + An amazed Laycock pensioner watched a glowing object shoot across the night sky. + The capsule-shaped UFO hurtled low across the village before disappearing. + Last Thursday night's incident is the latest in a string of reported UFO sightings around Laycock and Oakworth. + The 67-year-old woman, who does not want to be named, says: "It was definitely not a plane. It came quite low but there was little noise. I have never seen anything like it before in my life." + . The first-ever college course on UFOs is being staged at the Adult Education Centre, Storrs Hill Road, Ossett, on February 24 and March 3. + Case material from around the world, including photographic and wideo-taped evidence, will be presented. + Enrolment is on the opening day and costs f8. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1137.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1137.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8153b36f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1137.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO REPORTS FILE: UFO1137 + + +GUARDIAN, Swan Hill, Victoria, Australia +Feb. 2, 1990 + +UFO INVESTIGATOR VISITS DISTRICT +Seen any UFOs lately? + + If so, the Victorian UFO Research Socity would like to hear from you. + The society's investigation officer, Mr. Paul Norman, is in the district waiting to hear of sightings and unusual happenings. + He said he was in the area to confirm reports that three water tanks in the area had been mysteriously emptied. + "There have been numerious reports of water tanks and dams being emptied and even a sighting of a strange object hovering over a tank in Gippsland some 10 years ago. + "I have come to Swan Hill to confirm that the three tanks were emptied and to talk with people who know something about the reports," he said. + Mr. Norman said there had been many sightings of strange circles impressed into wheat crops and pastures near Speed, Ouyen, Beulah and Leitchville. + He said soil samples taken from the December sighting at Speed were still being analysed and results should be known soon. + "The soil was hard and had obiviously changed its composition," Mr. Norman said. + "But , the wheat crop was not damaged and resumed its former shape within days of the finding." + Another circle was discovered less than a metre from the orignal shortly after, and another ten circles were found in the ensuring weeks, he added. + "In all of them the wheat had not been crushed. The stems had been bent when the wheat was green and had sap in them. + "We would be pleased to hear from anyone in the Swan Hill district who may have seen similar circles or UFOs near water tanks or dams," Mr. Norman said. + Mr. Norman, a full-time investigator with the Victorian UFO Research Society, travles extensivly throughout Europe, the Uniter States, Asia, Canada, and the Australian Outback investigating UFO sightings. + He said the society was interested in receiving reports from witnesses who had observed UFOs at close range and experiences related to the strange phenomenon. + All names would be kept confidential, he added. + Mr. Norman can be contacted on (059) 26-7284 from February 1 to 18, or P.O. Box 43, Moorabbin, Vic., 3189. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1138.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1138.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fc51b008 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1138.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +SUBJECT: DID YOU SEE THE SILVER UFO ? FILE: UFO1138 + + +SOUTHEND EVENING ECHO, Essex, England +July 4, 1989 + + + + Dozens of people have reported seeing a silver disk accompanied by lights in the Southend Area. + Their sightings are being investigated by UFO researchers. The latest were on Sunday night when people reported a black-grayish object accompanied by orange lights over the Thames Estuary. + Earlier in the week others reported seeing a silver disc with orange balls around it. There was no noise. + A silver spinning object was also seen by a family and their neighbors enjoying a barbecue in Southend. There were 20 orange lights at the side of it. + East Anglian UFO researchers had four other reported sightings during the week. If anyone else saw objects they are asked to contact the UFO hotline on Basildon 286079. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1139.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1139.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..aa80d23f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1139.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +SUBJECT: MYSTERY OF THE UFO DEEPENS FILE: UFO1139 + + +TIMES, Herne Bay, England - Oct. 19, 1989 + + + +MORE WITNESSES SAW LIGHTS IN THE SKY + + The Herne Bay UFO mystery deepened this week when another witness told of +seeing the strange lights in the sky. Herne resident Mr. Clive Darby said: "My +wife and I saw them coming straight towards our home in Mill Lane. +"We thought they were the landing lights of an aircraft, but when we read in +last week's Herne Bay Times that they had been seen in Beltinge, we began to + wonder." + + Mr. Darby was sitting watching television when he first noticed the lights. +"Our home is right on top of the hill and faces Manston, but I wouldn't say we +are on the airfield flight path. As I sat watching television I suddenly noticed +two beams of light travelling parallel with the Thanet Way and coming from the + direction of Manston," he said. + + "They were very intense and appeared to be coming from some sort of +aircraft about 200ft. above the ground. If it was an aircraft, however, there +were no flashing lights on the wing-tips. + + "The lights were coming straight towards the front of the house and I don't +mind admitting that I was concerned. I thought an aircraft might be in trouble +and looking for somewhere to put down." Mr. Darby said he opened the window and +was immediately aware that there was no noise. + + "Aircraft normally throttle right back when they come in to land, but you +can still hear the engines and the rush if air over their wings," he said. "But +in this case there was absolute silence and I couldn't see any silhouette. + + "The beams of light were shining straight towards the ground and getting +nearer all the time, so I called my wife and we rushed into the back garden to +try to get a better view. + + "But this is the odd thing. Although we stood looking for some minutes, +nothing happened. There were no lights and no sign of anything in the sky. +Whatever it was had completely disappeared. "I know it wasen't a helicopter and +if it was a conventional aircraft it must have been big, because the beams were +quite a long way apart." + + Mr. Darby admitted that the experience had left him and his wife feeling +"strange" and said he had come to the conclusion that it had been some sort of +aircraft. But he added: "Having read the Herne Bay Times report, we're beginning +to wonder and we wouldn't be a bit suprised if other people saw these lights as +well but are worried about being branded as nuts." + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1140.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1140.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b77c4131 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1140.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTING BAFFLE POLICE FILE: UFO1140 + + +KEIGHLEY NEWS, Yorks., England - Feb. 2, 1990 + + +by Gill Abbott + + Police are baffled by an UFO which hovered over a North Staffordshire +beauty spot for two hours. Officers from Kidsgrove saw a large bright light +above Mow Cop in the early hours of the morning. + + They went to investigate the bizarre object after air traffic controllers +at Manchester Airport spotted a static blob on their radar which they were + unable to explain. During the police investigation, their portable car +radios went dead. In the end, the town's police chief superintendent, Peter +Grocott, decided to take a look at the UFO himself. + + He said: "We didn't get to the bottom of it - We just don't know if it was +atmospherics or somebody from Mars. + +DISAPPEARED + + "The traffic controllers called us because they thought it could have been +the county's helicopter but it was not flying that night." He added: "We checked +the Air Force too and they said it was nothing to do with them." + + The police station log shows that as well as the air traffic controllers, +several people called in to report the phenomenon at 5am. Supt. Grocott and his +men kept an eye on it until 7am, until it disappeared into the morning sky. + + Mr. Chris Mason, of Civil Air Authority, blamed the radar blip on unusual +weather conditions. But a spokesman for the Minestry of Defence said a UFO +report has been received from police and an inquiry would be carried out. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1141.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1141.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8f2a118f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1141.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +SUBJECT: AMATEUR CAMCORDER USERS RECORD "REAL" UFO FILE: UFO1141 + + +NEWS, Buffalo, NY-March 25, 1990 + + + +By Buzz McClain +Special to The News + + Dave Aaron has a tantalizing proposition: "real" UFOs on videotape. + Aaron, a Yucaipa, Calif., tape editor and video writer who goes by the name Video Dave, put out the call in May 1988 for camcorder owners who have filmed unidentified flying objects to send their tapes to him. + His UFO Audio-Video Clearinghouse now has hundreds of entries in its catalog: submissions have come from around the world. + I called Aaron and asked him to put together a sample reel of the best shots he had to offer. + I watched the tape with Larry Bryant, 51, a federal employee at the Pentagon who in his spare time sues the government to release classified UFO material, and Rob Swaitek, 36, a physicist with the U.S. Patent Office who also serves on the executive committee of the Washington-based, non-profit Fund for UFO Research. + Bryant and Swaitek are long-time UFO investigators who were anxious to see what Aaron's clearinghouse had to offer. + The dozen taped clips Aaron sent were rough-hewn, clearly shot by amateurs, and the tape was made of what were obviously copies of copies of copies. + The shots last from a few seconds to a few minutes, and editor Aaron had replayed them each three times, sometimes in slow motion, sometimes with magnification on certain areas of the screen. + It took a minute to get used to the quality-these are not filmed in the best of conditions-but Bryant and Swaitek seemed enraptured from the start. + Avid readers of UFO reports, they were thrilled to see taped footage to accompany the familiar documentation, and they preceded some of the clips with enlightening background comments. + They knew the names of the sightings-the ones at Great Falls, Mont.: Tremonton, Utah; the Colorado desert; Guatemala City, and from a plane over New Zealand-and filled me in with details. + "These are the best films we've seen," Bryant said at one point. + The best was yet to come. On a separate tape Aaron sent his newest clip, a 15-second sighting shot in Japan by a couple testing a new video camera. + An oblong object, red on the bottom with a white light at the top, is seen rising over a ridge not far from the camerma. The object rises above the trees and gradually glides out of the frame. + Conclusive? No: Unless you are the one the event is happening to, you will always harbor reservations about what you're seeing on tape. + The clips are chilling and thought-provoking-especially if they are real-but because there is no narration (Aaron records classical music for the background), it helps to know the circumstances of the footage. UFO buffs will enjoy the tapes most; skeptics will continue being skeptical. + Aaron's catalog includes footage detailing such phenomena as cattle mutilations, underground UFO bases, UFO burn cases, vats filled with human body parts and the like. Audie cassettes include interviews, original radio shows and call-in programs. + Aaron custom-edits each video-tape in VHS or Beta format based on your selections from the catalog; each two-hour tape goes for $30. Audio tapes are $9.95. + To get a catalog, send $5 to UFO Audio-Video Clearinghouse, P.O. Box 342-JN, Yucaipa, Calif. 92399-0342. If you have footage you would like to donate, call Dave's 24-hour number, a (714)795-3361. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1142.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1142.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d5296623 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1142.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +SUBJECT: INVESTIGATION OF ALLEGED UFO CRASH FILE: UFO1142 + + +By: David A. Maurer +of The Ptogress Staff + + At the height of "flying saucer" mania during the early summer of 1947, an event took place near the town of Corona, N.M., that's still being investigated by UFO groups. + It's alleged that during a thunderstorm on the evening of July 2, 1947, a UFO crashed on William Brazel's sheep ranch near Corona. Dan Wilmot and his wife, living in Roswell, N.M., claimed they saw a large glowing disc headed northwest. + Brazel later told investigators that he heard an explosion that sounded different than the numerous claps of thunder. When he went out the following morning to check for storm damage, he discovered strange pieces of wreckage strewn over a wide area. + "This is the best case of a possible UFO crash that I know of," said Mark Blashak, Mutual UFO Network, Inc. Virginia state director. "Currently there have been about 90 people who have been interviewed in connection with this incident." + Brazel showed the wreckage to a friend, and upon his advise, notified officials atRoswell Army Air Field. Major Jesse Marcel and Counterintelligence Corpsman Sheridan Cavitt drove out and investigated the site. + They found that the material at the site was different from anything that might have come from an airplane, balloon or missile. + Initially, the U.S. Army admitted it had recovered the remains of a crashed flying saucer, but within hours recanted this story and said it was merely pieces of a weather balloon, Blashak said. It might have ended there but in 1981, Marcel, then a lieutenantcolonel, testified that the official story had been falsified. + Other UFO crash cases are cited by UFO enthusiasts: + Oliver "Pappy" Henderson, dropped a verbal bombshell two years before his death at a reunion of his World War II bomber crew. Henderson told them and his wife that he had flown the bulk of the wreckage and the bodies of four alien beings out of the Roswell Army Air Field in a C-54 cargo plane in July of 1947. + The controversy passed but in December of 1984, UFO investigator Jamie Shandera received a letter which brought the Roswell incident back to life. Inside the blue envelope were two rolls of undeveloped 35mm film. + "When the film was developed, lo and behold, it was a preliminary briefing report for president-elect Eisenhower," Blashak said. "It said the report had been compiled by 12 people who were part of a top secret group called Operation Majestic-12." + The six-page report described the recovery and analysis of the Roswell crash and the subsequent cover-up. At one point in the document, it stated, "On 07, July, 1947, a secret operation was begun to assure recovery of the wreckage of this object for scientific study. During the course of this operation, aerial reconnaissance discovered that four small humanlike beings had apparently ejected from the craft at some point before it exploded." + Like many things connected with UFOs, the briefing has not been proven one way or another. + However, it does make interesting reading. + The report said the beings were found about two miles east of the wreckage site and contains other details. + "All four were dead and badly decomposed due to action by predators and exposure to the elements during the approximately one week time period which had elapsed before their discovery. + "Although these creatures are human-like in appearance, the biological and evolutionary processes responsible for their development has apparently been quite different from those observed or postulated in homo-sapiens." + The group suggested that "the term "Extra-terrestrial Biological Entities", or "EBE's", be adopted as the standard term of reference for these creatures until such time as a more definitive designation can be agreed upon." + Are the Majestic 12 documents a hoax or the smoking gun that UFO proponents have been looking for? Research into the truth or falsity of the "MJ-12" documents is continuing under the sponsorship of the Fund for UFO Research. + "When looking at the actual document, it does give the impression that they are authentic," Blashak said. "My own gut feeling is that they are authentic, but if they turn out to be a hoax, it's a very good one. + "If they are fake, someone went through an awful lot of time and effort," Blashak said. "What was really striking to me about the documents was the list of players in MJ-12. They were all individuals who most people would never have heard of but are the best group of people the government could have assembled at the time." + Another curious point was the fact that the documents were leaked just a few weeks after the last alleged member of MJ-12 died. + "If you like a mystery you have to love this because it keeps going deeper and deeper the longer it's investigated," Blashak said. "Another curious thing about it is where's the payback if it's a fake? Why would someone go through all this trouble for no gain?" + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1143.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1143.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c5cc9601 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1143.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTINGS ATTRIBUTED TO SECRET US CRAFT FILE: UFO1143 + + +TIMES & WORLD-NEWS, Roanoke, VA - Feb. 19,1990 + + +By PAUL DELLINGER / SOUTHWEST BUREAU + + WYTHEVILLE-Several people who viewed a pattern of lights hovering above +their heads in a darkened Wytheville Community College room agreed that it +looked like an unidentified flying object they had seen in the skies of +Southwest Virginia. + + They were not seeing a flying saucer containing little green men, but a +model of the radar-eluding Stealth B-2 bomber that Rhode Island businessman Tony +Gonsalves had constructed. + + Gonsalves, 47, visited Wythe County earlier this month because it had been +a hotbed of UFO sightings in recent years. He said similar sightings have +reported in Hudson Valley, N.Y., and Fyffe, Ala. + + "I believe there's a secret government aircraft flying around that the +public hasn't been advised about," he said. + + Gonsalves is not talking about the Stealth aircraft that was rolled out for +public view in 1988, one of six that reportedly have been built. Those would +make noise, he said, and the boomerang-shaped aircraft spotted across the +country in recent years have been silent. + + Referring to recent debate on what happened to $22 billion of the money +allocated to developing an airplane that can avoid radar detection, he said: "I +don't think it [the money] disappeared at all. I think they built some +airplanes." + + He suggests that the money went into Stealth craft powered by "UFO +technology"-in his view, some sort of antigravity field generated by nuclear +energy. + + "Now, where did they get it [the technology]? That's another story, but in +my opinion, they have it," he said. + + One possible source, he said, would be a crashed flying saucer that the +government recovered and kept secret. + + "I am a firm believer that this planet is being visited by aliens. I think +they've been coming here for a long time," he said. + + Whether they agreed with him on that, at least five of the about 75 people +attending his talk at Wytheville Community College agreed that the Stealth shape +is what they saw. + + What convinced the group was a quarter-size model of the aircraft, built by +Gonsalves, based on what data has been released about the secret plane. + + Using his experience as a jet mechanic on U.S. Navy aircraft carriers, +Gonsalves said he placed lights on his 4-foot model in a pattern that would be +logical for landing purposes or illuminate the ground for a low-flying, slow- +moving plane. + + With the meeting room in Fincastle Hall darkened, he showed how using +different lights on the dark craft could make it seem to have different shapes +in night skies. A number of people agreed that the lights defined shapes of +objects they had seen. + + Gonsalves said he came to Wytheville to talk with people who might have +seen an experimental-Stealth aircraft. He is compling the information for a +book. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1144.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1144.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7d4e1744 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1144.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +SUBJECT: CRIPPLED STARSHIP SENDS DISTRESS SIGNAL TO EARTH ! FILE: UFO1144 + + +BY MICHAEL TODD for WWN + + +Startled scientists her on Earth have received a desperate SOS from an alien +starship - sent more than 25,000 years ago! + +Experts in the United States and Russia are convinced the bizarre Mayday mes- +sage came from a spacecraft attacked by a heavily armed enemy ship around +23,000 B.C., German physicist Franz-Herbert Mooser told a European scientific +journal. + +This shocking transmission was intercepted by American scientists at an observ- +tory in the jungles of Puerto Rico and by Russian scientists at a similar lis- +tening post in Siberia, Dr. Mooser said. + +Although they deny this, the Russians and the Americans recorded the coded +message on the same date - March 3, 1990 - and have spent years working to int- +erpret it, said the astrophysicist, who was part of an international team of +scientists that used special computers to translate the cry for help. + +The transmission apparently originated in or near M13, a cluster of stars on +the outer edges of the Milky Way. + +From what we can determine, the message came from an unarmed passenger ship +engaged in interplanetary travel, the scientist said. The crippled ship appar- +ently radioed its distress call moments after being struck by missiles launch- +ed from a passing warship from another planet. + +The message has been streaking its way toward Earth at the speed of light for +the past 25,000 years and it just now reached us. + +But even if the message had reached us at the time they sent it, we would have +been little help. + +Back then, Earthlings were still living in caves. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1145.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1145.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e3877a0f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1145.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +SUBJECT: SPACE ALIENS STEAL SALESMAN'S CHEAP TOUPEE! FILE: UFO1145 + + + +BY JOE BERGER for WWN + + +Unsuspecting salesman Tyler Waddell was walking down a lonely Louisiana high- +way when he was accosted by five wild eyed space aliens who pinned him down - +and stole his cheap toupee right off his head! + +They climbed out of their ship and came straight toward me, and truthfully, I +was scared to death, still trembling Tyler later told reporters. + +The grabbed me and stared at me with those crazy bug eyes, and I was sure they +were going to kill me or kidnap me or torture me or something. But all they +did was yank my hairpiece of my head. + +They looked at it and started chattering and chortling like it was the funnie- +st thing they'd ever seen. And to them I guess it was - because they didn't +have a hair anywhere on their bodies. + +Finally, one of them put the thing on his head and they all dashed back to the +ship, still chattering away. + +Terrified Tyler's hair raising ordeal began late one night when his car conked +out on a country road outside Lake Charles. + +I was driving home after a sales trip and my car was running like a top, and +then all at once it just died on me for no good reason, the rattled bachelor +recalled. + +I was out there in the middle of nowhere and it was dark as hell, but I got +out and started walking, hoping I could find a farmhouse or something. And I'd +been waiting maybe five minutes when the whole sky lit up bright orange and +this big, silver spaceship came down in a field no more than 100 yards away. + +Petrified Tyler, 53, stopped in his tracks as five pint size aliens climbed +from the craft and toddled toward him. + +Those little guys came at me and I was just frozen there, unable to move I +was so scared, the mousy shirt sales man recalled with a shudder. They were +only 4 feet tall, no more, and I knew they weren't from this world, that's +for sure. + +when they got to me, they pushed me over and pinned me down and one of them +started running his hands through my ratty old hairpiece, kind of checking +it out, you know. The next thing I knew, the toupee had come loose and was +sitting there all cock-eyed on top of my head like a dead rat and they stood +back and looked at it like they didn't know what to make of it. + +Finally one of them grabbed it and put it on his head and they all headed back +to the ship. + +Mystified Tyler watched in astonishment as the saucer shaped spaceship soared +off to ward the stars. Then he walked to a farmhouse two miles away and called +for help. + +It was a pretty frightening experience, but I guess I should be grateful, said +the dazed salesman. they could have decided they wanted my eyeballs or some- +thing. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1146.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1146.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5084ff9d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1146.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +SUBJECT: SOVIET PRESS AIRS STARTLING UFO EVIDENCE FILE: UFO1146 + + +Tribune, New York, NY - June 21, 1990 +CR: A. Huneeus {Reprinted with permission} + +ANTONIO HUNEEUS/SCIENCE FRONTIERS + +SOVIET PRESS AIRS STARTLING UFO EVIDENCE FROM MILITARY SOURCES + + Second in a two-part series. +Last week we revealed how the Soviet Union is experiencing an intense UFO wave and how, due to glasnost, what was once a forbidden subject is now covered in detail by the Soviet press. Even cases involving the Soviet military are now reaching the public. + On Sept. 30, 1989, the newspaper Sotsiahisticheskaya Industriya (Socialist Industry) quoted Anatoliy Listratov, chairman of the anomalous phenomena section of the All-Union Astronomical and Geodesic Society, that "Soviet military officers and pilots had recently started providing some documentation on UFO sightings." That and similar articles were translated by the U.S. government's Foreign /broadcast Information Service (FBIS).An FBIS "Foreign Press Note" entitled "USSR: Media Report Multitude of UFO Sightings" was dated Nov. 22, 1989. + The article described one of the most serious UFO injury cases ever reported, involving the scramble of two Soviet jets over the city of Borisov in Byelorussia: "The crews of two Soviet aircraft reported seeing a large flying disk in their vicinity with five beams of lights enamating from it: three beams were directed toward the ground and two were projected upward when the object was first sighted. The ground controller instructed one of the planes to alter its course and approach the object, at which point the disk flew to the same level and aimed one of its beams at the approaching Soviet plane, illuminating the cockpit." + The pilot's log stated, "At this time, the copilot was at the controls. He observed the maneuver that the object had just carried out and was able to raise his hand to shield himself from the unbearable light. The aircraft commander was resting in the adjoining seat, and a bright ray of light, projecting a spot with a diameter of 20 centimeters, passed across his body. Both pilots felt heat." + + One Injured, Another Dead +Both crewmen later became "invalids," the article said. "The copilot was forced to leave his job due to a sudden deterioration in his health, including the onset of sudden prolonged periods of 'loss of consciousness.' The aircraft commander died within a few months. The cause of death was listed as 'cancer' and 'injury to the organism as a result of radiation from an unidentified flying object' was listed as a contributing factor on the official medical record in the hospital where the commander died." + This is not the only military UFO incident to be reported in the Soviet press. In an unprecedented statement published in Rabochaya Tribuna on April 19, General of Aviation Igor Maltsev, chief of the Main Staff of Air Defense Forces, openly discussed a radar-visual and jet scramble incident on the Pereslavl-Zalesskiy region, east of Moscow, on the night of March 21. This article was also translated by FBIS and leaked to some American ufologists. We have also secured a Russian copy of the article entitled "OFOs on Air Defense Radars." + Due to its importance we shall quote Gen. Maltsev's statement in full. He said: "I am not a specialist on UFOs and therefore I can only correlate the data and express my own supposition. According to the evidence of these eyewitnesses, the UFO is a disk with a diameter from 100 to 200 meters. Two pulsating lights were positioned on its sides. When the object flew in a horizontal plane the line of the lights was parallel to the horizon. During vertical movement it rotated and was perpendicular to the gorund. Moreover, the object rotated around its axis and performed an 'S-turn' flight both in the horizontal and vertical planes. Next, the UFO hovered over the ground and then flew with a speed exceeding that of the modern jet fighter by 2 or 3 times. All of the observers moticed that the flight speed was directly related to the flashing of the side lights: the more often they flashed, the higher the speed. + "The objects flew at altitudes ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 meters. The movement of the UFOs was not accompanied by sound of any kind and was distinguished by its startling maneuverability. It seemed the UFOs were completely devoid of intertia. In other words, they had somehow 'come to terms' with gravity. At the present time, terrestrial machines could hardly have any such capabilities. The object was observed as a 'pip' from a radar target on the screens of aircraft radar sights and on the screens of several electronic surveillance sub-units. One station did not establish an ovservation." + Rabochaya Tribuna also said unit commanders compiled "more than 100 visual observations" and passed them on to Gen. Maltsev. Lt. Col. A.A. Semenchenko "received the command to go on an alert exercise" at 21:38 hours. "I received my task of detecting and identifying a target at an altitude of 2000 meters," he reported. He established visual contact, although "the target did not respond to the 'identify, friend or die,' request." Considering the Borisov incident, it is interesting to note his comment, "with the permission of the command post, I locked my sights onto the radiation after checking to be sure that the weaponry was switched off." The paper also published the testimonies of four captains and a radar post as well as a photograph taken of the Yaroslavskiy Highway. + + A 'Victory' for UFO Buffs +The newspaper editors commented, "UFO enthusiasts can celebrate a victory. It is the first time that the military so openly and impressively witness on behalf of 'flying saucers.' Especially pleasing is the fact that the disclosure was made by air defense representatives, people who possess unique technical possibilities for observations. Maybe now they will disclose past secrets, legends of which are very popular. Let us hope that the present publication is a good occasion for further disclosures." + The editors went on to say that these incidents "demolish a hypothesis which relate UFOs to atmospheric phenomena." This is particularly interesting since in June of 1989, the official Soviet Military Review published an article on "UFOs and Security," which concluded that UFOs were most likelu related to "certain plasma formations." + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1147.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1147.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1cdbbe8d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1147.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +SUBJECT: SOVIET DEFENSE UNIT SCRAMBLES AFTER UFOS FILE: UFO1147 + + +Arizona Republic, Phoenix, AZ-July 15, 1990 + +CR: D. Kettles + +SOVIET DEFENSE UNIT SCRAMBLES TO CHECK SIGHTINGS OF UFOS +Pilots, radar spot 'flying saucers' +By David Wood +Newhouse News Service + + WASHINGTON-The Cold War may be over, but the Soviet Union's military air defenses are struggling with a new threat: an apparent invasion by flying saucers. + Dozens of sightings of unidentified flying objects-disk-shaped spacecraft with blinking lights and performing impossibly high-speed maneuvers-have been recounted in the past few months, including eyewitness reports from Soviet interceptor pilots that reportedly have been corroborated by surveillance radar. + "I am not a specialist on UFOs, and, therefore, I can only correlate the data and express my own supposition," said Gen. Igor Maltsev, chief of the main staff of the Air Defense Forces. + And what is Maltsev's supposition? That UFOs exist and are piloted by extraterrestrials, he indicated in an interview with a Moscow Communist Party newspaper, Rabochaya Tribuna. + And they may not be friendly. Vladimir Akhaltsev was driving his milk tanker truck one night in May when he noticed a shining ball following him. He tried to outrun it, gunning his rig to 60 mph on the twisting road several hundred miles south of Moscow before the UFO gave up the chase. + Farmers who also saw the shining ball were said by the local newspaper to have demanded, "If thirsty humaniods steal our driver, who is going to deliver the milk?" + Other Soviet reports, monitored and distributed without comment by the U.S. Air Force's Technical Information Division and by the State Department, have UFOs sniffing around politically restive Estonia, probing with mysterious light rays a buried gas pipeline in Siberia, and hovering over the village of Delnegorsk in the eastern Soviet Union. + The Soviets, a deeply superstitious people with a historic mistrust of foreigners, have a ready explanation: Space aliens, perhaps running out of supplies at home, are after their natural resources. + Whatever their purpose, reports of alien visits are exhaustively checked by the Soviets' elite Air Defense Forces, which operates the military's most sophisticated aircraft and the most powerful system of ground-based surveillance radar networks in the world. + The Soviet air-defense unit has had a bad case of the jitters since 1987, when a 19-year-old West German on a lark flew a single-engine Cessna unmolested through 400 miles of Soviet airspace before buzzing President Gorbachev's Kremlin office and touching down in Red Square. + Today, with those unpredictable Americans flying around in "Stealth" aircraft, no general or lowly radarman is going to overlook an unexplained radar blip or ignore a hysterical phone call. + An example is the call from several Soviet policemen who breathlessly reported last spring that they had been shadowed by "two disk-shaped UFOs" near Krasnoyarsk. + Or, the ominous report from Maj. V. Stroynetskiy, who along with "several hundred other witnesses" claimed to have seen numerous blinking, iridescent UFOs cavorting over a highway outside Moscow. + Soviet Lt. Col. A. A. Semenchenko was properly cautious when he and other pilots recently were sent aloft to check out a UFO at 6,000 feet over Pereslavl-Zalesskiy, a city northeast of Moscow, according to after-action reports released by Maltsev and published by Rabochaya Tribuna. + "I visually detected the target, designated by two flashing white lights, at 2205 hours," Semenchenko reported. + Capt. V. Birin said the object "looked like a flying saucer with two very bright lights along the edges." + In confirmation, ground-control radar said, "At 2203 hours, a fighter aircraft appeared in the field of observation... While the fighter was approaching the object, the latter disappeared." + Capt. V. Ivchenko and others pilots said the UFO's lights flashed more quickly as the spacecraft accelerated. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1148.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1148.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..38158d6b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1148.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIANS FILE: UFO1148 + + +DAILY EXPRESS, London, England-June 25, 1990 +CR: T. Good + + + +From GRAHAM LEES in Munich + +Soviet fighter planes shot down a giant UFO, and the wreckage was later recovered, it was claimed yesterday. + The close encounter was described by Soviet scientists at an international conference on UFOs in Munich, West Germany. + The scientists said the incident had been kept quiet by the Soviet military authorities, but documents and anpicture of the UFO wreckage had recently been leaked. + Two MIG25 fighters allegedly intercepted the UFO in a remote region of Azarbaijan in 1983. They fired two rockets when it turned on to a collision course. + The pilot's report said the UFO turned a bright colour and fell to earth. + The wreckage was discovered by two mushroom pickers who later died-apparently from exposure to radiation. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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The rest of the craft is being kept hidden by the KGB. + The amazing claims weremade yesterday by Soviet scientists attending a conference on UFOs in West Germany. + Dr. Marina Popvich, a former Russian airforce colonel, said: "I believe the military are holding on to something which originated outside our planet." + The delegation said the UFO was shot down in 1983 by a pair of MIG fighters. + Two peasants who found a piece nearly 20-feet square later died, apparently from the effects of radiation. + Dr. Valery Uvarov said: "We have seen the pilot's report. It says the UFO did not explode but turned a bright colour and then fell to earth." + A leading German scientist said: "I am usually very sceptical about most UFO stories, but this one cannot be treated lightly." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1150.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1150.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..20bd0a87 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1150.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +SUBJECT: LOOPING FIREBALL DAZZLES OBSERVES IN N. EAST FILE: UFO1150 + + +GLOBE, Boston, MA - Feb. 23, 1990 + + +By Richard Saltus + GLOBE STAFF + + Reports of a fireball that blazed through the skies over the Northeast on +Sunday, changing colors and even executing a fiery loop before vanishing, have +been filtering into local agencies, a Museum of Science official said yesterday. + + Observers from Novia Scotia to New Jersey reported the Scotia to New Jersey +reported the spectacular fireball, which they said was visible for more than 10 + seconds at 7:50 p.m. Sunday in the southeastern sky. One witness on Cape +Cod "said it descended at an angle and changed from white to green to orange, +which is not unusual," said Walter Webb, assistant director of the museum's +Hayden Planetarium. + + "It went into a cloud and lit it up like a sunset," Webb said the observer +reported. "Then the thing went up vertical and came down again in a closed +loop, leaving a glowing trail behind it." Fireballs, which are not +uncommon, occur when a sizable fragment in space -usually an asteroid - is +captured by the Earth's gravity and is burned by the atmosphere. If such a +fragment is consumed high in the atmosphere, it is called a meteor or "shooting +star." If it is large enough to survive its ;ounge toward Earth and becomes +brighter than the planets in the sky, it is called a fireball. The fiery object +is called a meteorite when it is large enough to reach the Earth's surface. + + Though they usually slice through the atmosphere on a straight path, +fireballs occasionally skip off layers of air like a stone on a lake, perhaps +the cause of the fireball's looping maneuver, Webb said. + + Webb, who is collecting eyewitness descriptions, said reports came from at +least a dozen residents of Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard, plus the control +tower at Logan Airport and Coast Guard officials. + + Webb has sent word of the sighting to the Scientific Event Alert Network at +the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. A spokeswoman theresaid the +nationwide network receives, on average, between 5 and 20 fireball sightings a +month. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1151.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1151.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2dc0fc28 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1151.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +SUBJECT: FLASHING LIGHTS BEDAZZLE PEOPLE FILE: UFO1151 + + +Daily Quill, West Plains, MO-Aug. 24, 1990 + CR: K. Sandberg + + + +OMAHA, Neb.(AP)-A cluster of flashing, multi-colored lights traveling through the sky Thursday night bedazzled and confused onlookers in different parts of the state. + "It was moving quietly, and parallel to the ground," said Kristy Buckles, 36, of Lincoln. She said she was walking her dog about 9:30 CDT when she saw the lights, which were heading northeast. + "It appears there was something at the head of these lights, something metallic," she said. "They traveled hundreds of feet, then they went through some clouds." + John Kobar, meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Grand Island, and a dispatcher at the Douglas County Sheriff's office said they received a number of calls about the lights, described like a July 4th fireworks display. + Radio station KLWN in Lawrence, Kan., reported flashing light sitings there, in Kansas City, and Topeka by a tower air traffic controller. + People said they saw two parallel lights with behind, like a comet. + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1152.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1152.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..eda75b1d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1152.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +SUBJECT: E.T. FIRST CALLED EARTH IN 1921 FILE: UFO1152 + + + +BY JOHN JUSTICE for SUN + + +E.T. first called Earth almost 100 years ago, experts believe. + +The researchers believe extraterrestrials from as star system 11 light years +from Earth responded to the first message Guglielmo Marconi sent on his newly +invented wireless transmitter in 1899. + +Morconi tapped out the letter "V" to colleagues 50 miles away, but scientists +believe aliens from the Epsilon Eridani star system also received the transm- +ission and replied. + +The experts are relying on a series of strange events to prove their theory. + +SPACE SIGNALS + +In June, 1921, radio stations worldwide reported they were picking up weird +signals that seemed to come from a specific point in space. All the signals +were the same - Marconi's coded letter V. Twenty two years passed since the +signal was transmitted. + +Two years after Marconi sent his letter V, he made history by sending the +first radio message across the Atlantic in December , 1901. + +The message was the coded letter "S". Again, exactly 22 years later in 1924, +radio stations began picking up another strange signal from space. + +This time it was Marconi's letter "S" that was beamed from space to receivers +around the globe. + +Speculation as to the source of these mysterious signals was popular topic in +scientific circles at the time. + +Many researchers began to wonder if an alien civilization was trying to start +a conversation with us. + +Some dismissed the signals as a hoax but they couldn't explain how the alleged +practical jokers had managed to work together in more than 30 countries to +send imitations of Marconi's signals to hundreds of stations at the same time. + +NEW MESSAGE ? + +Open minded thinkers, however, saw something more in the events. + +For instance, each of Marconi's transmissions was replied to 22 years later. +Could this mean that each signal had traveled for 11 years through space be- +fore an alien receiver picked it up? + +And did the aliens respond with a message that took another 11 years to reach +us? + +Experts think a possible destination for Marconi's messages - the star system +Epsilon Eridani, which is exactly 11 light years or roughly 60 trillion miles +from Earth. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1153.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1153.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..76bee677 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1153.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +SUBJECT: FARM RING MYSTIFIES FILE: UFO1153 + + +SUN, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada-Aug. 21, 1990 +CR: T. Sillivan + + + FOREIGN NEWS + + NOTHING UNUSUAL...EXCEPT DOG'S BARKING + +By JAMES O'CONNOR +SUN Staff Writer + + ST. FRANCOIS XAVIER-It's large, round and flat. + Called a crop circle, it mysteriously appeared near the corner of a wheat field late last week-and it's had a strange effect on local residents in this agricultural area west of Winnipeg. + It's making them scratch their heads. + "I'm trying to figure out what the heck it is," George Friesen said, as he stared in disbelief at the 18-metre diameter circle of flattened grain. + "I never saw anything like this before in my life-it looks like something's been rolled around and around." + Friesen-now 78 and a veteran grain grower-lives across the road from the field owned by Joe Thomaschewski. + It was Thomaschewski who discovered the cleanly-cut ring Saturday at 5 p.m. on his land at the corner of the Trans-Canada Highway and Highway 241. + He had been by the area a few days earlier, but noticed nothing unusual-nothing like his metre-high wheat being bent at the root and flattened in a counter-clockwise circle. + This has left an investigator in unusual phenomenon to conclude the circle was "created" between Thursday and Saturday afternoon. + + POSSIBLE HOAX + + "We're still not ruling out that it could be a hoax-but we're still investigating," said Chris Rutkowski of Ufology Research of Manitoba. + The circle is quite similar to those found in England, where 1,000 have been located throughout the years, Rutkowski said. + However, the phenomenon is quite rare here, he said, noting the last discovery here was 12 years ago near Rossburn. + "We're not advocating that it's a UFO, that's just one possibility," Rutkowski said, adding there were no tracks or marks leading up to the circle, located some 20 metres from the road. + Farmer Friesen's wife, Katherene, said the phone lines are buzzing with talk of the strange circle. + "We're never experienced anything like that...it's very odd," she said, adding her family can't recall hearing anything strange the past few nights-except their dog barking at unusual hours. + "And I looked out the window then and couldn't see anything," Feorge Friesen said, noting he and his son have been working quite late thrashing their crop. + Another puzzled person walking in circles around the ring last night was Dan Sommerfeld. + The 24-year-old area resident said it looked as if the wheat had been throttled by Nother Nature, not by human hands. + 'It looks like it was blown down-I dont't think anyone around here would do anything like his," he said. + Astronomer Rutkowski said in addition to an alien visitor, other causes are being studied, including a weather phenomenon and new seismic or electrical activity. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1154.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1154.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c44aa017 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1154.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +SUBJECT: LIGHTS IN THE SKY SPARK UFO MYSTERY FILE: UFO1154 + + +NEWMARKET JOURNAL, Suffolk, England-June 21, 1990 +CR: T. Good + + + +NEWMARKET srar-gazers could no believe their eyes when they saw what appeared to be unidentified flying objects bovering in the sky above the town in the earlt hours of Tuesday. + Stephen Milne, of Tunbridge Close, Burwell, was arriving home at around 1:30am when he saw what he described as "strange green lights in the sky." + "I was looking towards Cambridge and there were four lights that went together in a block and then round in circles. + "I thought it might be lights from a fair but as far as I know there wasn't one on. Lots of people saw it," he said. + The lights were also seen by Clive Humphries, of Freshfields, Newmarket, at around 2am. + "There were four green lights, like disco lights. They dept splitting up and then going together again, just hanging in the air. My sister Camilla and some of my friends saw htem as well," he said. + USAF Mildenhall spokesman Frank Randall confirmed the lights had nothing to do with base activities. + "We had no traffic in the air at that time on Tuesday as we close down from 10pm to 6am. Our midnight shift reported no unusual sightings in the area," he said. + *The latest theory is that rather than a visitation from an outer planet the lights were laser beams from May Balls at Cambridge Colleges. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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Good + + +by: ANDY STANISTREET + +REPORTS of unidentfied flying objects in South Cheshire and North Staffordshire have soared over the last 12 months. + Officials at the Cheshire UFO Studies Centre in Earle Street, Crewe, received 120 calls on their 24-hour hotline-and increase of 20 per cent. + + MYSTERY + + Most of the sightings concerned mystery lights in the night sky over the Crewe, Stoke-on-Trent and Stafford areas. + Investigations by experts from the centre have ruled out 95 per cent of the lights as UFOs-most of them being traced to aircraft or satellites. + But they are still engaged in a six-month inquiry after two separate callers reported a close encounter with a 35ft "bright object with a glowing centre" which landed in a field near Audlem-and then vanished. + Centre chairman Mr. Eric Morris said: "most of the people who call us are genuine, and many are worried or frightened by what they have seen. + + STRANGE + + "After onquiries with the RAF, the Ministry of Defence, airports and interviewing witnesses, we can explain about 95 per cent of the strange things people see-but there are still the rest which remain a mystery." + The centre is to launch a magazine recording all its reports of Ufos, its investigations into each incident and conclusions. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1156.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1156.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c17497fa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1156.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +SUBJECT: PREPARE TO MEET THY DROUGHT FILE: UFO1156 + + +TODAY, London, England-July 20,1990 CR: T. Good + + + + WORLD experts will jet into Britain today to try to solve the cornfield circles riddle which has baffled the country. + Britieuropean and Japanese researchers-armed with high-tech cameras-will attempt to capture on film whatever, or WHOEVER, has caused the patterns in the fields. + But, as the scientists stake out rual Wiltshire, TODAY-which broke the news of the phenomenon-tracked down experts who think they know what the circles mean. + 4 Historians believe that the carefully plotted lines and circles resemble the writing of the Sumerians, who lived on the Iran=Iraq border 5,000 years ago. + And, amazingly, the message could be a warning to save water. + Linked with other evidence, it could mean we are in for a long drought. + Charles d'Orban, of London University's School of Oriental and African Studies, said: "The shapes in the field look like the work of the Sumerians, from late fourth and early third century BC. + "They had a relatively sophisticated system of writing with symbols which show a marked resemblance to those in Wiltshire." + In Sumerian, the world's oldest written language, two concentric circles means a well or cistern. + Two parallel lines mean double, or multiply(the signs are shown above). + So the message could mean: Multiply yours wells. + After examination of blown-up prints of the dramatic TODAY pictures, Mr. d'Orban said: "The resemblance is uncanny. I cannot think of any other explanation for it." + Last night Britain's top weather experts backed Mr. d'Orban's theory that the symbols could be linked to the climate, particularly a spell of dry weather. + TODAY weatherman Philip Eden said: "Whoever or whatever drew these patterns certainly knows about meteorology. + "They look just like the signs on the sort of weather chart I see every day." + Me. Eden said kthat the circles which appeared in a pattern in a field in the Vale of Pewsey on Tuesday were wind direction symbols. + Left to right, the key-shaped symbols show a Force Seven gale from the south-west, a Force Five Gale from the south-east, a calm area with no wind, fog and a calm area with no wind. + It's a real puzzle how they got there," he said. "I can't think of an explanation but it's very exciting." + BBC TV weatherman Bernard Davey said: "I will be interested to see if we can find out for definite how these circles keep appearing." + Asked if aliens could have been responsible, he said: "I'm always suspicious when circles appear like this. + "I won't rule out men from outer space...just in case." + And ITV weatherman Alex Hill added: "I reckon the circles are a weather report. + "Maybe it's been put there to help those Soviet cosmonauts steer their spacecraft back to Earth. + "One thing's for sure, it wasn't me that put them there." + Experts at the British Museum last night refused to be drawn into the debate. + A spokeswoman said: "We really wouldn't want to get involved with anything of this nature." + But languages expert Peter Colvin of London University supported our message theory. + He said: "Some of the figures look like a system of writing which is still used in parts of inner and Outer Mongolia. + "I have seen it in books, but unfortunately, I am not able to read it. + "I don't suppose many people in Britain can do so either." + Our photographers flew across Wiltshire yesterday and spotted eight new circles, including the one we've reproduced (above left). + But as the mystery deepened last night, experts admitted they still do not know what has coused more then 200 circle alerts in Wiltshire and Hampshire this summer. + Some believe that the phenomenon is caused by rare fungus or soil disorders causing crops to collapse in bizarre patterns. + Others insist that animals such as hedgehogs or badgers many have run wild in the summer heat, causing havoc in fields. + Some say freak wind conditions could be the cause of the damage. + Still more argue the circles are caused by aliens, landing their spacecraft or desperate to communicate with humans. + But cynics dismiss the patterns as the work of practical jokers, using bricks on lengths of rope to flatten crops. + Perhaps there's a ring of truth to all of them. But last night there was no getting away from the weather. + The circles have appeared during one the of the hottest and driest spells in Britain. + In other words the message could mean: Fill up thy wells and prepare to meet thy drought. + Those Sumerians knew what they were writing about. + + CLIVE NELSON + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1157.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1157.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..29950ff8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1157.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +SUBJECT: BETHELLS BEACH UFO WATCH FILE: UFO1157 + + +WESTERN LEADER, Auckland, New Zealand + May 28,1990 CR: R. Collyns + + + +by: FIONA BATBER + + Strange lights in the night sky have a group of west Aucklanders baffled. + Six people have spotted the multi-coloured lights shooting and hovering off Bethells Beach and cannot explain the unidentified flying objects. + "Whatever's out there is definitely not human," says witness John Herbert. + Two observers have experienced the phenomenon twice. Opossun-hunters William Glasgow and Chris Knapton were at Bethells early one Saturday morning when they first sighted the lights. + "We were hunting when we saw a light," says Mr. Glasgow. "We thought it was another hunter but then it went above the trees. + "We saw three of them, all zig-zagging along the shore," he says. + Unsure of what they had witnessed, the pair went back with a group of friends two nights later. + Mr. Glasgow says the group was treated to a similar dispoay for two hours. He says the lights could not be connected to hunters. + "It was out over the ocean. + Mr. Knapton says at one stage a beam radiated from the lights, sweeping over the ocean. + "It must have been pretty big to have had a beam like that," he says. + Mr. Herbert says he saw a light shoot across a clearing and hover about three miles off-shore. + "It was green, yellow, orange and red," he says. + "It did all sorts of acrobatic movements. It vanished into cloud with lights flashing." + The observers have ruled out the possibility of conventional aircraft. On another night the group saw two planes traverse the sky and say there is no conparison in size, speed or colour. + Both the Auckland weather office and the observatory report unusual atmospheric conditions at present. + Commercial services manager at the weather office Linda Summersby says the group could have seen aurora lights. Caused by charged particles entering the altered atmospheric conditions. + Aurora lights were spotted off Canterbury the night after the six had been dazzled by the Bethells display. While most auroras are seen in the South Island, they do occur further north, she says. + Head astronomer at the Auckland observatiry Glenn Urquart says increased sun activity has led to the altered atmospheric conditions and aurora lights are being spotted more. + However, Mr. Urquart says the Bethells group may have seen a meteor shower or fireball. These exhibit different colours as they burn, he says. + Atmoshperic conditions may be responsible for visual aberrations, he says. + But the group, who contacted the Western Leader after reading about a similar sighting, is confident what they've seen has nothing to do with things human. + "it was like something out of Close Encounters," says Mr. Herbert. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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I was visiting relatives in the Bramcote area of Nottingham. + I was asked to move my car into their driveway, a manoeuvre I had just completed when I became aware of a deep humming/droning noise, the direction of which I was not initially able to pinpoint. + The noise grew progressively louder until I looked directly overhead and saw a huge configuration of steady moving lights. + The lights were in the shspe of a rectangle about 80 yards long by 30 yards wide, moving towards the Strelley area, lengthways first. + I guessed the speed as between 30-50mph and the height as around 500ft. I was able to view the lights with others for about ten minutes and logged the time as 17:15 hours. + As it was dark I was not able to see any background shape. + This event was widely reported in the Evening Post for some days after the event and sightings were reported from Newark, Carlton, the city, Chilwell, Strelley and Codnor areas of Nottinghamshire. + I would be pleased to hear from anyone who viewed the shape, along with any relevant information or indeed anyone who knows what it was. + I would especially like to hear from the pilot of a light aircraft that was circling in the Bramcote area above and behind the shape that evening. + All correspondence will eventually be answered. + P. HYLAND + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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Good + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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Gordon, who runs the +volunteer clearinghouse from his Greensburg home, said he did not know why the +number of reports decreased. + + He said many of the reports of UFO sightings were explained as meteors, +planets, aircraft lights, unusual atmospheric conditions or searchlight +displays. But 27 sightings in Westmoreland, Butler, Indiana, Bedford, Crawford +and other counties could not be explained, he said. + + Among the reports of UFO sightings in 1989, he said, were these: + + * Two women said they saw a silent, luminous object with flashing red + lights hovering over Squirrel Hill at 2:57 a.m. May 17. The women filed a + police report on the incident. + + * In three sightings, strange objects were persued by military jets. On + Aug. 31, UFOs were spotted in several counties within a short time. On Oct. + 28, "an unusual hovering light that picked up speed as numerous military + jets in single formation chased it" was reported in Butler County, Gordon + said. + + * A number of triangular-shaped aerial objects were seen in the afternoon + of Dec. 23 near a power station in Warren County. "Once again, as we have + seen in other years, these objects seem to be attracted to energy sources + of various types, and several sightings occured near power plants in the + state," Gordon said. + + On May 21, the association was notified that a piece of ice had fallen from +a clear sky near Ligonier. A lab found that the material contained lead, +cadmium, arsenic, aluminum, and zinc, Gordon said. He said the high metal +content "seemed to indicate the possibility that the ice may have originated +from a high altitude aircraft, yet weather data for that area at that time +indicated a low chance for icing conditions." + + The association continues to receive reports of sightings of a creature +called Bigfoot, especially in the Chestnut Ridge area of Westmoreland County, +Gordon said. A fisherman in Donegal reported that at 12:15 a.m. April 20, he saw +"a 7-foot-tall , broad shouldered, hair-covered, upright creature" that made +loud shrilling sounds before moving into the woods. + + Gordon said reports of unexplained phenomena could be made on the non- +profit association's 24-hour hotline, (412)838-7768. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1162.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1162.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..15949fd5 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1162.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +SUBJECT: DERRY MAN "IRKED" BY UFO SKEPTICS FILE: UFO1162 + + +TRIBUNE-REVIEW, Greensburg, PA-Sept. 15, 1990 + + +By Sharon Santus +Tribune Review + + A Derry man who maintains he saw an unidentified flying +object after it allegedly landed in Kecksburg 25 years ago +said he is fed up with those who scoff at his account. + James Romansky, 44, of Derry, publicly came forward a +few weeks ago to tell his story. + Since then, a group of Kecksburg property owners have +accused Romansky and another alleged witness of perpetrating +a hoax. + A re-creation of the alleged landing will appear on +NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" Wednesday at 8 p.m., and the +property owners say their community could owners say their +community could be deluged with hoards of sightseers. + Just before sundown on Dec. 9, 1965, witnesses reported +seeing a fiery orange object streak across the sky over +Michigan, the tip of Ontario and western Lake Erie. The +fireball continued its descent and was spotted over +Westmoreland County skies. Some witnesses said it landed in +a wooded area near Kecksburg. + Romansky, who was an 18-year-old Lloydsville firemen at +the time of the incident, said he and four other volunteers +drove to Kecksburg late that afternoon after hearing a report +about a downed plane. + Romansky, a machinist with Latrobe Die Casting Co., said +firemen were organized into search parties and began +patrolling the Kecksburg countryside. + He said his group was notified that another search party +found the downed aircraft, and, when his crew arrived at the +scene, they discovered a bizarre sight. + "We couldn't believe what we saw," Romansky said. "It +was no plane. There were no wings, no tail section, no +portholes or doors." + Romansky described the object as 8 feet in diameter, 12 +feet long and acorn-shaped. He said it had a copper/bronze +finish and was wrapped with a band of strange letters that +looked like hieroglyphics. + He said he and other firemen stood about four feet from +the object for about a half-hour until two men who appeared +to be from the military ordered them away. + Other witnesses said an empty, military transport truck +drove to the scene and left some time later with a tarpaulin- +covered object on the back. + But the Kecksburg property owners say Romansky and +another man who said he saw the alleged object are +fabricating the incident. + They say an object may have passed over the area that +night but never landed anywhere near Kecksburg. + "These people are letting themselves wide open for a +slander suit," Romansky said. "They're making out I'm some +kind of liar, faker or idiot." + While his account may differ from that of the property +owners, Romansky said, he doesn't feel he should be subjected +to ridicule. + "They don't have to run me into the ground," he said. +"I don't do that to them." + Romansky said he had never met the other witness to the +alleged landing until a few weeks ago, but their accounts to +investigators over the years were strikingly similar. + "We described the exact location where this thing came +down, the color, shape, markings, everything was similar," +Romansky said. "I saw what I saw, and no one can tell me +different." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1163.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1163.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5307a4f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1163.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,156 @@ +SUBJECT: FORMER TEACHER BACKS "BELIVERS" IN UFOs FILE: UFO1163 + + +ARIZONA REPUBLIC, Phoenix, AZ-Sept. 4, 1990 + +OBJECT LESSONS +FORMER TEACHER BACKS 'BELIEVERS' IN UFOS +By Arizona Republic + + The skies were moody and heavy with clouds about +midnight on June 20, 1960, as Americo Candusso drove his red +1957 Plymouth toward Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. + Candusso, then a science teacher who was enchanted with +the stars and the mystery of UFOs, looked up into the thick +blanket of clouds and saw that night what he considers the +"most impressive" of his dozen or so "major sightings" of +unidentified flying objects. + "To me, it was exciting because there were five of +them," says Candusso, 68, retired and living in Fountain +Hills. + Candusso, who taught a course in "ufology" at the +University of Akron in Ohio from 1974 to 1977, says he was +attracted that night first by a silent "bulb of light" +ambling at about 35 mph along the bottoms of the clouds. + As the light dipped beneath the clouds, Candusso said he +saw a "configuration of lights, bronze on the right and blue +on the left." + "Beneath that were two bands of red, white and green +lights," he continued. "Those (bands of lights) were +sparklers. They looked like diamonds. Scintillating." + Using his knowledge of angles and landmarks, Candusso +calculated that the lights overhead outlined a 200-foot-long +oblong about 4,100 yards away. + Over the next 35 minutes, Candusso said, he saw five of +the unexplained objects meander out of the clouds, hover +overhead and disappear. + Excited, Candusso left his post for five minutes to race +to a phone to call friends and find out whether they had seen +the lights. + They hadn't. + When he returned, he said, he followed the last object +for a few hundred yards before it faded away. + "Between the trees, I saw a round object," he recalls. +"It might not have anything to do with what I had seen +before." + Candusso, who said "I can still remember it like it was +yesterday," is convinced that the brilliantly lighted shapes +he saw that night were unlike any aircraft he had ever seen. + An astronomy enthusiast, weather observer and +cryptologist for the Army Air Forces in North Africa during +World War II, Candusso said it is unlikely that he mistook +the shapes of airplanes or heavenly bodies for UFOs. + "I am used to what is out there," he said. "I know how +to look at the sky." + A field investigator for an international UFO group, he +moved in May to a sunny home in Fountain Hills from Medina, +Ohio, where he taught at an elementary school. He was +attracted to Fountain Hills, northeast of Phoenix, by the +desert and the promise of good golfing. + But he said the skies over Fountain Hills, illuminated +by surrounding city lights and commercial aircraft, are "the +worst place in the world to see UFOs. It's all lit up like +Christmas trees." + Although he hasn't had a sighting for several years, +Candusso is clearly convinced that UFOs exist. + He is in respectable company. + In the 1960s, Gen. Douglas MacArthur warned of the +dangers of "interplanetary war." + The late Dr. James E. McDonald, senior physicist at the +University of Arizona, and astronomer Carl Sagan told a House +panel on July 29, 1968, that they believed the existence of +UFOs should not be discounted. + Although McDonald said his two years of study did not +provide "Irrefutable proof," he added that he believed "UFOs +are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something +that might be very tentatively termed surveillance." + +SOME ARE SKEPTICAL + + There also have been respectable skeptics over the +years. + A two-year study commissioned by the Air Force at the +University of Colorado and published in 1969 concluded that +there "is no evidence to justify a belief that +extraterrestrial visitors have penetrated our skies and not +enough evidence to warrant any further scientific +investigation." + More recently, UFO enthusiasts have been intrigued by +reports of hundreds of sightings during the past few months +in Belgium. + In a sighting reported in July, Belgian F-16 jet +fighting used their radar screens to track an object that, +according to a military official, "exceeded the limits of +conventional aviation." + Belgian Air Force Col. Wilfried de Brouwer said at the +time that the UFO dived from about 10,000 to 4,000 feet in +two seconds. At the same time, it increased its speed from +600 to 1,100 mph, according to news accounts. + Although Candusso is sure of the existence of UFOs, he +does not talk about them with the fervor of an evangelist +seeking converts. + Instead, he speaks in the careful tones of a scientist, +pointing to tables and bookshelves in his airy study laden +with hundreds of reports and newspaper clippings detailing +sightings. And he has tape recordings of law-enforcement +officials, motorists and others who believe they saw UFOs. + +INVESTIGATING 'FRAUDS' + + Candusso acknowledges that reports of sightings have +diminished since the 1960s and that some of the accounts "are +frauds." + As a field investigator for the Texas-based national +Mutual UFO Network, Candusso has probed hundreds of reported +UFO sightings. He is convinced that at least 10 percent of +them were actually vehicles from outer space. + He was one of the investigators who taped an interview +with Deputies Dale Spaur and W.L. Neff of Portage County, +Ohio. On the tape, the pair recount with a certain sense of +wonder a 100-mph chase of a brilliantly lighted, dome-shaped +object at dawn on April 17, 1966. + They raced 86 miles from Randolph to Conway, Ohio, in +pursuit of the object, which eventually "rose straight up +until it was lost in the sunny morning sky," according to a +1977 story in the Sunday magazine of the Akron Beacon +Journal. + Attempts by The Arizona Republic to reach Spaur and Neff +were unsuccessful. + +SIGHTINGS FROM AGE 10 + + Candusso said he saw what he now believes was his first +UFO during recess at Liberty School in Alliance, Ohio, when +he was 10. + "It was a white ball of light, very brilliant, like a +star," he said. "It was moving." + Skeptical, his teacher ordered him inside. + One of his early encounters as an adult occurred April +6, 1959, at 10:45 p.m., when he saw what looked like a +fluorescent tube headed northwest near Twinsburg, Ohio. + "It looked like a ball point pen with the bigger part +going south," he said. "It looked like the fuselage of a B- +19, all light, no openings." + The object disappeared 10 or 15 minutes later, he said. + Despite diminished reports of sightings today, Candusso +continues his studies, talking with others in meetings held +the third Wednesday of each month at 7 p.m. at the Valley +National Bank in Fountain Hills. + He is buoyed by the enthusiasm of others and his own +belief. + "There is no doubt UFOs exist," he said. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1164.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1164.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6d7b7ff6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1164.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO UPDATE FILE: UFO1164 + + +REGISTER-GUARD, Eugene,OR - JAN. 22, 1990 + + + + Remember the New Year's Eve UFO sighting by a group of Eugene partygoers, +reported here last Monday? Enough others have called or written since then to +convince me that there was something in the sky that night. But what it was +remains-as it always does in UFO stories-a tantalizing unknown. + + Sherill Bowers reported last week that she and a group of 20-30 people at a +party at East 15th and Moss watched five lights move slowly, in varying +formations, across the sky for about twenty minutes after midnight. Robert +McCaffrey, a real estate salesman who lives in the Ferry Street Bridge area, +said five people at his house saw the same thing. The large bright lights +appeared in the south and moved north, he said. + + "What we were looking at was an almost perfectly diamond-shaped formation, +and finally a fifth light appeared like a tail on a kite," he said. "What was +striking was there was absolutly no sound. "When they came overhead of us, they +split formation, two lights in one line, two in another," he said. "My son +(Sean, 16) ran in and got his camera and took two or three photos." + + Sean's pictures show two bright spots-slightly squiggly, because of the +camera movement-in the sky. But the photos wouldn't reproduce well in the paper. + + McCaffery said the lights dissappeared over the Coburg Hills after about +ten minutes. Nancy Dear, a teacher who was at the McCaffrey's party, gave a +similar description. As Bowers had, she phoned every agency she could think of +in a futile search for an explanation. + Betsy Steffensen and anither group watcher the lights from the panaoramic + +view at her house on Skyline Boulevard. Binoculars didn't help in +identification. "When we put the binoculars on them, they were still just these +lights," Steffensen said. Eugene poet Ingrid Wendt and her daughter saw them +from near the University of Oregon's Hayward Field. Runners Marcia and Bill +McChesney watched them from across the river. + + "We were returning to our friend's party after running the Midnight Run in +Alton Baker Park," Marcia McChesney said. "The strongest drink we consumed that +evening was coffee." But the sightings seem to have been limited to the Eugene +area. There have been no reports from elseware in the state. At the University +of Oregon's Pine Mountain Observatory nead Bend, for example, research assistant +Doug Hawkins said he was working that night and saw nothing but stars and +planets. + + McCaffery dosen't belive the lights were anything extraterrestrial, but +he's still curious. "This has just had us all baffled," he said. "There has to +be a logical explanation." + + If only one of those lights had dropped a bottle-with a message in it... + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1165.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1165.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d708d175 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1165.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,195 @@ +SUBJECT: STRANGE LIGHTS IN THE NIGHT SKY FILE: UFO1165 + + +DAILY NEWS, Nelson, B.C., Canada - May 2, 1989 + +THRUMS RESIDENTS REPORT UFO SIGHTINGS + +by Barbara Tandory + + A quiet woman working late nights at business books stepped off the sundeck +of her home in Thrums, and saw a UFO. Angae Paetkau was taking the family dog +for a midnight walk the Sunday before Easter when a "very bright red light" +flashed over Mount Sentinel near her house. "It swooped down, stopped in mid-air +and hovered, then made a little jaunt. It kept darting around and around the +sky." + + Of it's lightning speed, she said, "They're quick, oh boy, are they quick." +Later, she saw red and yellow lights, flashing, revolving on a dark underside, +it's shape made visable in the city lights from nearby Castlegar. The display +continued for some minutes, long enough for Paetkau to run in the house for the +keys of a telescope enclosed in a domed planetarium in their backyard. To her +disappointment, she couldn't rouse her husband from sleep. The dog was whining. + + Paetkau, mother of two grown children, has seen the elusive UFOs before. +But she kept quiet unitl her neighbors had also seen strange lights in the night +sky. Kathy Tarasoff, 31, was driving home from Robson - separated from Thrums +only by the huge block of Mount Sentinel - with her nine-year old daughter, +Stacy, when a dazzling white light streaked across the night sky, shot past the +mountain, then went down at a steep angle in the mountains near the Castlegar +airport. + + One moment they were singing, "All night, all day/Angels watching over me, +my Lord," and the next Tarasoff cried out, "Look Stacy, a falling star," and +already the frightened child was crying, "Mommy, Mommy . . ." They thought they +saw a plane about to crash, Little Stacy cried all the way home. + + The abrupt change of direction, with sudden acceleration, and the light's +trajectory - it seemingly flew past the mountain at its lowest level - suggested +to Taraoff that it was no falling star. Tarasoff reported the incident +privately to an employee at the airport weather office, certain that she saw a +landing light on a small aircraft. + + The airport was shut down for the night, and no missing planes have been +reported in the area since January. + + Tarasoff - who meets life's crises head on - found that experience more +unsettling than going into labor with one if her three children on the way to +the hospital. "It was an unexplainable light." She too kept quiet about it. + + It was Melody Semenoff, a vivacious 35-year-old housewife and mother of +three, who brought it all together, first telling her story of three bright +lights at the kids' gymnastics, a week after her March 7 sighting. + + Soon after dark that evening, Semenoff was standing in the kitchen of her +little house at the foot of Mount Sentinel, cooking dinner, when she felt that +"something was drawing" her to go outside. She turned down the stove and went +outside, but there was nothing more exciting there than the "blue star", to the +northeast, Vega in the Summer Triangle. + + Semenoff went back outside a little later with her sister-in-law, Lil +Perepolkin, walking a long driveway to a neighbor's house. In the sky above +Mount Sentinel there appeared three starry lights of dazzling whiteness. + + "We saw the most incredible light stars - bright and brilliant. They looked +like stars at first. Two of them were traveling together and they were moving, +but the third one didn't join them as they came close and back away again. It +stayed further out." + + "The third light seemed to hover back and forth over the Whitewater Ski +hill towards Nelson, a half hour's drive from Thrums." This sighting was light- +hearted. "We're here, we're here," Perepolkin recalled joking when the +experience took on a Star Trek quality with the lights moving closer towards +them and darting back and forth. + + Aliens and spaceship are far from Perepolkin's mind. "I saw them but I +don't believe in them." But she stands by Semenoff's account of white "giant +stars" that twinkled and radiated about 10 feet above the mountain, or so it +seemed. Like Kathy's white light, they too appeared to have come from a great +distance. Semenoff's neighbor at the foot of the mountain, Paetkau, believes +that the place is visited by alien spacecraft, that"they've been here for +years." She maintained a sense of humor, like her neighbors, in a recent +interview, but admitted the high seriousness that she could see "the metal, the +windows and the lights on the bottom of those things" in some of her past +sightings. + + She had seen one of them recently, a light that moved - "this light on the +water" of the Kootenay River near the Brilliant Dam, across the highway from her +home. It happened on the night of Feb. 23, a day before Tarasoff's sighting. +That was another time that Paetkau got up from the books she keeps for a service +station that her husband operates in Castlegar, and took the dog Prince for a +walk. Paetkau said she wasn't surprised to see the revolving lights on the +water: "Here they go, taking our water." They are always by water, she said. +"They're coming here for our water," she believes. When Tarasoff saw the light +as it flew past Mount Sentinel, "it looked like it was going to the (Brilliant) +dam." + + Some UFO experts maintain that there is a connection between sightings and +various electrical effects - ranging from car engines dying down to power +blackouts of entire cities - and sometimes the phenomenon is so localized that +only part of the house, in the direct flight of a UFO, is affected. + + In Thrums, the neighborhood experienced three power surges in a row in +February. All were around suppertime. Semenoff described it as an "energy +shooting out of the lightbulbs." + + Some months ago, too, Semenoff and her husband, Charlie, were startled in +the middle of the night by a "flash, like somebody was taking a picture." This +happened four or five times, each time in their bedroom overlooking the Mount +Sentinel - which Melody calls the magic mountain and Charlie believes to be +special because of the quartz fields, coming thru a double-pane window which can +be reached only on a ladder. + + In a similar incident, remembered by Paetkau and Gordon, her husband, a +blinding light lit up their bedroom. "There was a flash," recalled Gordon. "It +lit up everything. It was pretty phenomenal, just like sheet lighting - except +that there was no lightning." Besides, the flash was "very constant." + + Yet Gordon, as an amateur astronomer, prefers to think that there are +rational explanations for this and other things happening in Thrums - rocket re- +entry with third-stage boosters going off, reflections or meteors. (UFO experts +agree that in about 97%, UFO sightings are due to misidentification, weather +conditions like air inversions, optical illusions, deliberate deception and even +hallucinations, but the remaining 3% defy all explanation.) + + Gordon Paetkau reserves his judgement about UFOs as alien machines until +one lands in his backyard. But he remembers the light in his bedroom as rare and +unforgettable. "The light was like a nuclear explosion in the sky." + + Some UFO research also indicates the objects seem to have a keen interest +in all kinds of power installations including nuclear plants, and in water. The +Thrums sightings occur in a setting where rivers, lakes and streams are constant +features of the local geography. In this quiet place of high mountains and deep +waters and hydroelectric installations, West Kootenay Power operates three of +its four power plants. + + And something else did happen on the night Semenoff and Perepolkin saw the +lights. Outside Castlegar, four miles up the Columbia River, a transformer blew +up at Celgar in the small hours of March 8, causing a fire that shut down the +380-employee pulp mill, as company officials estimate, until mid-April. (Celgar +has just begun operating at 10 to 15% capacity). No one knows what happened and +an investigation into the cause is continuing. + + "There was some sort of power outage , seconds earlier," according to Ron +Belton, Celgar's personnal manager. "We felt a power surge but we weren't sure." + + At the local power company they also don't know what "tripped the line." +And, according to WKP public relations man Jack Fisher, there have been reports +of power disturbances, except for a 21-minute power blackout in most of +Castlegar when the transformer blew up at Celgar. Celgar is located near a +storage dam on the Columbia River operated by B.C. Hydro. + + West Kootenay Power's Doug Ferguson in the Castlegar office explained that +momentary losses of power - such as the dimming of street lights, observed in +town around the time of the Celgar accident and Thrums sightings - are often +caused by nothing more than blown fuses and trees touching the power lines, and +go unreported since the problem can clear itself "when the reclosure comes back +after a 20-second delay." But, he admitted, "There are cases when we don't know +what happened." + + One such problem occured on the night of March 7, a few hours before the +Celgar fire, when musicians playing in the Hi Arrow bar in Castlegar experienced +a power surge in the middle of a set. Bar manager Garry Clarkston described what + happened: "Pooof. Everything went down - the lights went out, the band +equipment went down, the till - then came right on. It was real quick." + + The bar and the pulp mill, however, are powered by different substations. +In the case of Castlegar and Thrums, even the power plants are different because +Thrums, although located near the Brilliant dam, which supplies Castlegar, is +actually fed from the South Slocan plant. + + The women in Thrums are also in the dark about their electrical problems +and their sightings. + + Over the years there have been sighting of light objects, anecdotal and +unreported, coming form the Russian Doukhobor communities deep in the dark +Slocan Valley. The most recent sightings are just beyond the city limits and +centre on Mount Sentinel near the confluence of the Kootenay and Columbia +rivers. + + The mountain has a special place in the religious Doukhobor tradition - the +first Russian settlers early in the century names it Mount Sinai, after the holy +hill in Jerusalem, the home for God - and is the burial place for their leader +Peter the Lordly Verigin. + + In that old, half-forgotten tradition there is a belief in other worlds and +visitors from them. Still, it came no easier to Semenoff, Perepolkin, and +Tarasoff to go public with their stories than it did to their non-Russian +neighbor Paetkau. But they agree with her when she says, "It's breathtaking." + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1166.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1166.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b07eb334 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1166.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +SUBJECT: BOYS TELL OF UFO TERROR FILE: UFO1166 + + + +SOUTH WALES ARGUS, NEWPORTN WALES +NOV. 7, 1989 + +Three north Gwent youngsters are convinced they have seen a UFO following a +close encounter at Cwmtillery. + + Lee Holt, Carl Jones and Sidney McLoughlin, all of Cwmtillery, thought +their days on earth were numbered when a "flying saucer" homed in on them at + 5:30pm last Thursday evening. And even now they cannot think of a logical +explanation for what they saw. "We were playing up at Cwmtillery Lake near an +old farmhouse when we saw a bright light coming down the hillside," said Lee, +who has drawn a picture of what he saw. + + "It was really low in the sky, clipping the tops of the trees. It circled +above our heads several times, then flew off really quickly. "It was silver, +disc-shaped, with a domed top and luminous lights, about the size of a car, and +it made no noise. "We were really scared. I thought whatever it was was going +to take us away. + + "A few minutes after it vanished their was a huge fireball which came down +near the farm." The youngsters rushed home to tell their parents and at first +Lee's mum Melinda was sceptical. + + "I thought they had made it up, or that what they had seen was fireworks, +but then I realised they were absolutely terrified," said Mrs. Holt, of White +Horse Court, Cwmtillery. Abertillery police, who have investigated the boys' +story, have been unable to offer any down-to-earth explanation. + + "We have to take any incident like this seriously and whatever it was the +boys saw they were very scared bt it," said Inspector Brian Heal. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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"When I got home the light was still there, and so I drove as close to +it as I could, ending up near the flats at Darnhill. + + "I watched it for 10 minutes and then went to get my children, who were as +mystified as I was. "About half an hour after I first saw it, the light started +to move towards us. + + "As it got closer it became clear that it was triangular in shape and +consisted of what appeared to be two white lights and a red one. It then moved +above us and went over and out of sight. + "I've never seen anything like it before. I know the difference between a +plane and something unexplained. "It was an incredible experience, and I'm sure +other people in Heywood must have seen something." + + The Advertiser put Mrs. Nicholson in contact with a Heywood UFO research +group. A spokesman from the group said: "Mrs. Nicholson's sighting is still +under investigation. We haven't come to any definite conclusions as yet, but we +are especially interested in the description of the triangular shape." + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1168.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1168.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b55931ba --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1168.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,198 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs CONTINUE TO VISIT NUCLEAR ENERGY SITES FILE: UFO1168 + by GEORGE D. FAWCETT + + Looking back over the years during the 40th anniversary of UFOs in modern times(JUNE 24,1987) it is interesting to note that UFOs have been seen and recorded near various atomic energy locations in this country and overseas. + This link was first noticed by Captain Edward Ruppelt in 1952 and reported in a LOOK magazine article(JUNE 24,1952) titled "Hunt For The Flying Saucer." + Captain Ruppelt, who directed the U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book at that time, when viewing a folder of 63 mystifing UFO reportas that had been plotted on a map of the United States discovered that it showed "an ominous correleation" with the location of various atomic energy installations. LOOK magazine learned that some high ranking officers had taken note of this fact and had then held a Pentagon conference to discuss these numerous strange concentrations that have continued to this day. 1 + Such incidents at the Savannah River, Hanford, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, McGuire, Cherokee and Indian Point nuclear and atomic plants are of continued vital interest and concern to scientific, military, civilian and governmental observers everywhere. + These UFo encounters raise such serious questions as: Are UFOs monitoring our atomic and nuclear energy sites and if so, why? Why has the AEC(now NRC) had represenitives on most of all the major government UFO investigative projects? Why do guards at some AEC installations report their UFO encounters directly to the AEC? + The questions continue -- What have AEC studies using air samplers, radioactive background counters, portable counters, magnetometers, oscilloscopes, cameras, radar and other devices revealed? That types of radiation increases have been discovered? What do they make of the increasing numbers of individuals who have suffered "radioactive" injuries of one sort or another allegded to have occured during UFO incidents in many states in the United States and other global countries? + In essence, what have been the major discoveries and perhaps hidden secrets of the AEC-UFO link since the late 1940's? + Let's examine some of these often reported events. On May 10, 1952 four employees of the DuPont Company, employed at the Savannah River Plant saw eight "disc-shaped" objects approach the Ellenton, South Carolina plant. The objects varied from a yellow to gold in color, moved south to north at a "high rate" of speed. The eight UFOs approached the area at such a low altitude that they had to rise to pass over some tall tanks in the area. The noiseless UFOs weaved from left to right and moved from side to side as they departed at a 90 degree angle. " The AEC in Washington was advised." 2 + On July 5, 1952 four Florida pilots reported a flying saucer hovering above the Hanford atomic works, a sensitive scientific installation at Richlands, Washington. Captain John Baldwin, Captain George Robertson and pilots D. Shanbel and Steven Summers stated that the UFO was round and flat. After hovering over the atomic plant, it gained speed, reversed its course and then disappeared quickly. Two yellow globes of fiery appearence were reported over the Hanford plant seven days later, confirmed by Air Force investigators. 3 + Two years earlier on April 17, 1950 more than fifteen persons at the secret atomic energy project at Los Alamos, New Mexico reported they saw a UFO on the eastern horizon. One of the observers, a scientist from the University of California Personnel Division watched one of the three objects thru a telescope and said that it looked flat, metallic and was roughly circular and about nine feet in diameter. The UFO appeared to be about 2,000 feet high and moved ".. faster than any known coventional aircraft." It was seen for about 20 minutes and put on quite a show. Dozens of excellent UFO sightings have been reported by countless eyewitnesses at Los Alamos over the years. 4 + June 21, 1952 brought an interesting case of a UFO that trespassed prohibited airspace at the AEC's Oak Ridge Laboratory in Tennessee at 10:58 pm. The UFO was observer by Ground Observer Corps volunteers and also detected by radar. The UFO was persued by a F-47 aircraft on combat patrol from a 10,000 to 27,000 foot altitude. During the aerial dogfight, the UFO attempted to ram the F-47 on several occasions, before leaving the area. UFO encounters have become quite commonplace at this AEC site. 5 + In October 1965 Philip Parker on an aerial photography mission was flying with pilot H.T. Mayhew near the Perth Church Road Lake Norman crossing. Their plane was flying at about 1,000 feet as they circled the lake near the McGuire Nuclear Station, when they noticed three "bright objects" to their right. Pilot Mayhew gave his plane full throttle and they rose barely high enough to escape the UFOs, which were flying in formation 100 feet below them. Unnerved, as he was Parker was able to take one photograph of the three circular UFOs above Lake Norman, which is bordered by the Catawba, Lincoln, Gaston, Mecklenburg and Iredell counties in North Carolina. 6 + In past years several other photographs of UFOs flying above Lake Norman + were taken by different photographers. One of the photographs of an early + morning UFO was captured near the Sun on the film. In the photo, the UFO + moved from the 4 to the 6 o'clock position from 90 to 20 degrees over a short + period of time. + In the late summer of 1968 at 2 a.m. a married couple(names confidential + on file) reported seeing a dome-topped UFO with "windows" and odd-colored + lights(yellow, blue and red fixed together) flying near their Lake Norman + home. The UFO was about two to three car lengths wide and made a soft hum- + ming sound. A "metal rod" came from the bottom edge of the UFO, as it moved + down nearby power lines, almost touching the wires as it followed the power + lines. The eyewitnesses ran the rest of the way home and were badly + frightened by their experience. 7 + In July or August, 1972 at 9:30 p.m. businessman Robert P. Sartin, who + lives near the Lake Norman Airport and Duke Power Plant's 150 high Cowans + Ford Dam spotted a UFO. His attention to the UFO came when he heard children + fishing from a nearby pier, who were shouting about an object in the sky. + Four other persons became eyewitnesses to the UFO, which was seen about + four miles East of the Marshall Steam Plant near Terrell. + The UFO, appeared to be about the size of a basketball court and had + a thickness, one-half its width. The object looked like "one saucer inverted + on top of another and had a row of flashing windows through its middle." + It had red, white and yellow lighted windows and hovered in the area + overhead for about 10 minutes, before it flew sideways, then moved up and + away at an unbelievable speed as it disappeared in the sky. 8 + In March, 1975 at Lexington, South Carolina Mr. and Mrs. Jim Richardson + were driving near the Lake Murray Hydroelectric Plant's Saluda Dam, when a + brillant "spotlight" came on and illuminated the interior of their car. + They noticed the UFO looked "like two pie pans" put together and had a dome + on top. + It flew about 40 to 50 feet above their car and it had red and blue lights + on its ends and its dome was "brillant white." The bottom of the UFO was + octagonal in shape or like a stop sign. The Lake Murray area has been the + scene of many UFO encounters over the years. 9 + On October 27,1975 a UFO was reported by Staff Sgt. Danny K. Lewis + near the Loring Air Force Base, Maine. The UFO began to circle the nuclear + weapons storage area to within 300 yards of the facility. Finally, it hovered + 150 feet above the ground. The base was placed on a major alert status. + Radar tracked its maneuvers in the area for over 40 minutes. The reddish- + orange UFO later moved to within five feet of the ground. Security personnel + said the UFO was "like a stretched-out football in the air" as it hovered + nearby. They described the object as about four car lengths long. It shut + off its lights and rapidly left the area from near ground level. 10 + On November 22, 1975 Pilot Frank Auman, Jr. and UFO investigator Arlan + Keith Andrews were flying in a private plane near the Savannah, Georgia + Nuclear Plant. They saw a bright white UFO maneuvering in the area for four + or five minutes. It made a "slight wobble" and then a hard turn, before it + flew away. Jacksonville Control Center personnel at Jacksonville, Florida + confirmed three UFO sightings(either radar or visuals) by pilots at the + site. 11 + Arlan K. Andrews is a MUFON Consultant and State Director in Indiana. + On March, 1978 several persons described seeing two "milky white" UFOs + flying side by side at treetop level at the McGuire Nuclear Station near + Triangle, North Carolina. 12 + April 24, 1980 at 9 p.m. brought another UFO report from the Lake + Norman area. Pete Link and Jeff Schlatter, two Rutherford County carpenters, + while working on a house roof observed a bright yellow UFO that rose up +vertically from Lake Norman, made a loop and then disappeared while moving +rapidly away. 13 + Lake Norman is a large lake and is surrounded by Highway 16, Highway 73, +Highway 150 and Highway 21. The lake is surrounded by many towns and cities, +among them Mooresville, Lincolnton, Lowesville, Denver, Triangle, Iron Station, +Stanley, Davidson and Sherrills Ford. These communities have been a "hotbed +of UFO sightings" over the past four decades. + One of the more intriguing UFO sightings was reported at 7:30 a.m. on +October 18,1982. Gary Fortenberry and Jimmy Bumgarner, two employees at the +McGuire Nuclear Station on Lake NOrman were driving to work on Highway 73 at +the Catawba River(Lincoln County) when they encounted an unknown. + They watched a dull silver oval UFO with "four legs" above a nearby +fogbank. During the daylight encounter, they first mistook it for a water +tank, but later in the day when they returned home from work, the fog had +lifted and no water tank was to be seen anywhere in the area. They did notice +that high voltage lines from the power plants were in the general area of the +earlier sightings. When first seen the UFO was about 250 feet above the ground +The eyewitnesses had worked at McGuire for six years without experiencing +anything unusual. Several months before, when UFOs again visited the same +location, the power fluctuated, before the UFOs left the area. Security +guards, when questioned by me on the phone, told me that such UFO incidents +were to be made directly to AEC headquarters. 14 + ZOn October 13, 1983 at 12:30 a.m. Mr. and Mrs. Wayne Ruppe of Gaffney, +South Carolina were disturbed forom their sleep by a siren-like sound(like +something taking off). They looked out of their house windows in time to see +a glowing oval-shaped UFO about 20 feet above their neighbor's home. + The neighborhood dogs were barking in a frenzy. The UFO, described +as "about the size of a Winnebago travel-trailer" had two "beams of lights" +on the bottom of the object. + It was orange-yellow in color and made a high-pitched sound as it +crossed the power lines and moved east in direction of the Cherokee Nuclear +Station. The UFO was seen for approximately five minutes and was estimated +to be about 20 feet long and 8 to 10 feet in height. 15 + On June 24,1984 from 10:30 to 10:45 p.m. security guards at the Indian +Point Nuclear Power Plant near Peekskill, New York reported seeing UFO +over the plant for approximately 15 minutes. It was roughly 30 stories +above the exhaust funnel of one of the plant's three nuclear reactors. + UFO investigator Philip J. Imbrogno for the Dr. J. Allen Hynek's +Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) in Chicago, Illinois interviewed six of the +twelve security guards who saw the UFO. + The UFO, according to the witnesses was huge in size, diamond-shaped and +approximately 450 feet in length. It was first white, then changed to blue +to red to green to amber in color. Local police in Peekskill received +numerous UFO sightings during the same evening. One of them, Sgt. Karl +Hoffman said the UFO he observed included a "dozen white lights" in V- +formation that slowly moved towards the power plant at Indian Point. 16 + In the case of the UFO reported by security guards at the Indian Point +Nuclear Plant at Peekskill investigators uncovered some interesting +information. + As the UFO apporached the nuclear plant it flew to within 30 feet of +its Reactor Number Three. When it did the plant's security systems, shut +down as did all of its alarm systems and communication systems. + Security guards were issued shotguns and were waiting for the final +word to shoot at the UFO. A request was also made for an armed helicopter +to come and shoot down the UFO, but before the command was given, the UFO +moved away and left the area. + Carl Patrick of the plant's information office, when questioned by +investigators about the UFO had this to say, "I can neither confirm or deny +that the guards fired upon it, but they did what was necessary to protect +the plant. 17 + UFO reports continued to be concentrated near various atomic energy +locations in the late 1980s by reliable eyewitnesses. + We are reminded of a statement made by General Nathan F. Twining of the +Army Air Forces(the original UFO study Project Sign) in 1947 forty years ago. +General Twining said, "all pertinent data would be made available to the +Atomic Energy Commission (AEC)." + Perhaps answers to the many question posed at the beginning of this +article were furnished to the Atomic Energy Commission, but they have yet +to see the light of day in the public sector through 1987. + Perhaps in the not to distant future, the truth behind the UFO-AEC +link will be fully revealed to the public. + + + + + REFERENCES + + +1. Look Magazine, June 24, 1952 issue, "Hunt For The Flying Saucer" + +2. UFOs: A History(January-May, 1952)Loren E. Gross, "Memorandum for Mr. Levy. + Prepared by the Inspector General, Directorate of Special Investigations, + Hq. USAF, Washington, D.C. OSI Records. BLUE BOOK Files. + +3. UFOs: AHistory(June-July 20,1952)Loren E. Gross, "Flyers Report Saucers + Near Atomic Plant" + +4. UFOs: A History(April-July, 1950)Loren E. Gross, "News Service Teletype + Z134P4/19" + +5. UFOs: A History(June-July 20,1952)Loren E. Gross, "The Report on UFOs" + (Edward J. Ruppelt) + +6. Mooresville Tribune, Mooresville, N.C. (October 14,1965 issue), "UFOs + Flying Over Lake Norman?" + +7. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1968) + +8. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1974) + +9. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett (1975) + +10. Clear Intent (The Government Coverup of the UFO Experience), Prentice- + Hall, Inc.(1984) (Lawernce Fawcett & Barry Greenwood) + +11. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1975) + +12. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1978) + +13. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1980) + +14. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1982) + +15. Personal Files of George D. Fawcett(1983) + +16. National Enquirer,(July 23, 1985 issue), "N.Y. Police Watch Huge UFO + Buzz Nuclear Power Plant"(Franklin R. Ruehl) + +17. Night Siege(The Hudson Valley UFO Sightings), Ballantine Books(1987) + (Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Philip J. Imbrogno With Bob Pratt) + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1169.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1169.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..afb10344 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1169.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs & THE PRESS BY JIM SPEISER FILE: UFO1169 + + +U.S. PRESIDENT TRUMAN INSPECTED UFO CRASH - IN 1947 + + + A British politician says the U.S. government recovered the bodies of four extraterrestrials and the wreckage of their starship in 1947 - and he has the secret report to prove it! + "The United States has been involved in a massive cover-up of alien contact for better than 40 years," said the politician, who asked to remain anonymous whin he gave copies of the document to reporters in the House of Lords. + "This is bigger than any mere Watergate," he added. "This is a cosmic Watergate - and it's time the truth was told." + The papers, signed by President Harry Truman who saw the dead aliens, were addressed to the most powerful figures in Britain. Then Prime Minister Clement Atlee got a copy, as did Winston Churchill, King George VI, the Queen Mother and select members of the House of Lords. + The leaders' reactions reportedly ranged from shock and amazement to outright fear. The document itself stressed the need to keep the recovery operation secret to avoid "a massive religious backlash and worldwide panic." + It went on to describe the extraterrestrials in chilling detail. + "Four small human-like beings apparently ejected from the craft before it exploded and crashed in America's southwest," said the report. "All four were dead and decomposed due to predators and exposure to the elements before their discovery. The beings were between four and five feet tall. They wore tight-fitting silver jumpsuits. Their heads were disproportionately large, with oversized brown eyes, slanted in the head. Their noses and mouth were mere slits. They had small holes for ears." + The document went on to say that pieces of the starship were strewn for miles. Analysis showed fragments to be a strong and lightweight metal but were otherwise inconclusive. The report did not pinpoint the location of the crash, nor did it say where the bodies and fragments were taken. But the likeliest destination was Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio - where the bodies of four more humaniods were taken after a second crash 10 years later. + Though the U.S. Government has never confirmed either crash, UFO experts are convinced that both wreckage and bodies are still preserved. In fact a super-secret government agency, code-named PI 40, keeps tabs on alien visitors and briefs U.S. Presidents on UFO developments past and present, the British source said. + Gerber Pasche, founder and president of the Swiss UFO watchdog group, Alien Encounter, was appalled to learn of the cover-up. He told reporters that the governments of the United States and Britain should be held accountable - and tried in the court of world opinion. + "The irony of all this is that everybody knows what's going on - we've known for years," he said. "Space aliens exist and have a deep and abiding interest in our planet. This is a concern of all mankind - not just superpower leaders." + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1170.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1170.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5ce53a07 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1170.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,45 @@ +SUBJECT: FORUM UFO POLL ON COMPUSERVE FILE: UFO1170 + + +>> This article has been submitted to the Journal of the Mutual UFO Network. +-------------------------------------- + + UFOs and the Press: + An Assessment of Current Media Attitudes + + by Jim Speiser + +Throughout the forty-year history of the current UFO era, much of the public's perception of the phenomenon has been shaped by the press and media coverage it has received. Over the years that coverage has ranged in tone from unashamed hysteria to downright ridicule, sometimes both concurrently. + +Lately, however, the trend has been progressively more cynical, perhaps owing to the increasing pervasiveness of "organized skepticism" and the rise of such groups as CSICOP. Early on, debunkers such as Phillip Klass correctly decried the media's uncharacteristic lack of attention to "the other side of the story" in dealing with reports of paranormal phenomena in general and UFOs in particular. Now, however, reporters seem to routinely consult with astronomers, satellite tracking facilities and even the debunkers themselves when filing a UFO story. On its face, this journalistic balance is commendable, of course, but there is a tendency to let the skeptics have the last word, as if to provide a "happy ending" to the plot to upset the scientific equilibrium. + +Could reporters' own cynical attitudes be coloring their coverage of the UFO phenomenon? + +In an attempt to gauge the current outlook of the media toward the subject, I recently touched base with a group of journalists that meet "online", in a nationwide computer forum called CompuServe. In an electronic message, I posed a series of questions designed to delve into the mindset of the American press vis a vis the elusive UFO. + +In composing the message, I sought answers to the following: 1) How are main- stream UFOlogists viewed by the press? Have we succeeded in separating the hard science from the cult aspect of the phenomenon? 2) Is the media getting all the facts? Are they making an effort to do so, or is the subject considered so overworked that even the most superficial details are recorded grudgingly? Are the skeptics and debunkers considered the final word? 3) Is there a more-or-less universal, tacit policy of downplaying UFO stories, in order to avoid comparison with the much-reviled supermarket tabloids? + +Many have bemoaned the paucity of in-depth reporting on the so-called Cosmic Watergate, the thousands of pages of documents released through the Freedom of Information Act. If ever there was a carrot on a stick for the American media, the FOIA documents seemed to be it; yet no Woodward/Bernstein-style expose' has been forthcoming. However, it occurs to me that "no news is bad news" in the business of journalism, and if such an inquest had been undertaken, yet had turned up nothing of value, the fact would quite likely never have surfaced. "60 Minutes" is not in the habit of reporting what it has NOT found. So another of my intentions was to find out if such an investigation had been undertaken, only to be shelved when it proved fruitless. + +The CompuServe Journalism Forum provides an excellent glimpse behind-the-scenes at some of the attitudes and personalities that shape what we see on our TV screens and in our newspapers. The 2000 members represent a respectable cross- section of the journalism community, from newspaper editors to photographers to network news reporters. While the responses I received to my message cannot be considered comprehensive, I believe they provide a good thumbnail sketch of how ufology looks in the mirror of American culture, the media. Some of the indications: + +1) There is indeed a tendency to avoid in-depth UFO stories for fear of being tarred with the "National Enquirer" brush. "The more in-depth the story got, the more harebrained the station or paper might seem.", said one member. "Don't get me wrong -- I don't necessarily go along with that. I'm just stating what I believe to be fact." + +2) Perhaps as a result of (1), the cults and kooks are still getting the bulk of the press, and seem to be inextricably associated with the phenomenon in general. The first response to my inquiry was from a reporter who complained of regular calls from a man who claimed that aliens were invading people's bodies at a nearby church. + +Other members claimed it was difficult to tell the kooks from the serious in- vestigators. A radio newsman told of an interview he had done with a skeptic and a supposedly mainstream ufologist. He claimed that the ufologist, Dale Goudie, turned out to be a "fanatic" who charged the skeptic with being an "idiot" and of working for the government. (Upon reviewing a tape of the interview provided by Goudie, I found no such invective). + +3) The reporters are not getting all the facts. My inquiry revealed that a reporter for Channel 5 in New York, who had covered the story of the Hudson Valley UFOs and concluded that it was all a hoax, had never even seen the home videos made of either the object or the flight of planes! + +4) My request for information on UFO investigations that hadn't made it to the airwaves drew a blank. Either it hasn't been done, or these professionals didn't know about it. Which brings me to... + +5) My faith in the American media is such that I have never subscribed to the theory that the press is "in on" the Cosmic Watergate at any level. There may be a pervasive fear of the UFO story in management circles, but I believe it is based purely on image considerations and not on some unseen pressure from above. I saw nothing in the CompuServe exchange to convince me otherwise. + +Not all of the vibes in the exchange were negative, and there was at least one useful, positive suggestion: "Stay away from buzzwords like UFO and Flying Saucer. In my mind, they instantly conjure up memories of the folks who swear they were whisked to the planet Twilo for an all-expenses-paid weekend. When I hear words like SETI, however, I'm a whole lot less skeptical and a whole lot more interested. [I] think your job is to shift people into a new serious mode of thinking about the subject if you're going to get editors, viewers and readers to take you seriously." + +1987 is shaping up to be the year of the UFO -- not so much in terms of sight- ings, but in terms of the amount of public attention that will be paid the sub- ject, through books, talk shows, symposia, mini-series, and other mass media e- vents. The press is the major conduit through which much information will reach the public and, rightly or wrongly, it is the press' attitudes that will shape the public's view of our endeavors. Public opinion in turn determines funding for future work in the field. Hence, it is vital that the press receive an ad- equate education on UFOs. Judging from the responses gleaned from the CompuServe correspondence, I'd say we have our work cut out for us. + ************************************ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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After that, you must enter "SE" followed by your +search term at any ! prompt to start another search. + Y[ JPress for more ! + Y[ JSearch term: UFO + H jCompuServe +UFO: +-------------------------------- +see UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. + Y[ JLast page !SE + Y[ JSearch term: UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT + H jCompuServe +unidentified flying object +-------------------------------- +An unidentified flying object (UFO) is an unusual aerial or potentia- +lly airborne object that cannot be readily identified even after +expert analysis of the available data in the report of the object. +Approximately 90% of raw UFO reports are interpreted as misperceptions +of conventional objects, hoaxes, or hallucinations. The remaining 10% +constitute the UFO enigma. + +The date of the earliest UFO sighting is unknown. Some UFO researchers +believe that there were UFO sightings in ancient times. The evidence +for such sightings, however, is scanty and therefore purely specula- +tive. Most UFO researchers date the beginning of the UFO phenomenon +with the sighting of dirigiblelike "mystery airships" over the United +States during 1896-97. The next significant group of reports came +during World War II from Allied and Axis pilots who reported seeing +strange metallike objects, which they called "foo fighters," in +controlled flight around their planes. In 1946 people in Europe, part- +icularly Scandinavia, reported large-scale sightings of silent "ghost +rockets." None of these phenomena has been satisfactorily explained. + +The UFO phenomenon entered public consciousness on June 24, 1947, when +private pilot Kenneth Arnold reported sighting nine circular objects +flying across his airplane's path in the skies over the state of +Washington. He described their movements as being like "saucers +skipping over water" and the term flying saucer was born. + +Since 1947 there have been UFO sightings in nearly every country. +Occasionally the number of sightings rapidly increases and a UFO wave +ensues. For instance, UFO waves occurred in France and Italy in 1954, +in New Guinea in 1958, and in the USSR in 1967. In the United States, +waves occurred in 1947, 1952, 1957, 1965-67, and 1973. UFO researchers +have been unable to predict or explain UFO waves. Attempts to link +them to media publicity about UFOs, hysterical contagion, or "societal +stress" have proved unsuccessful. Although intensive publicity has +prompted people to report sightings they had previously made, such +publicity is not considered responsible for new reports. + +The number of UFO sightings is great. In 1973 a Gallup poll indicated +that 11 percent of the adult population in the United States had seen +what they thought was a UFO. So far more than 50,000 worldwide sight- +ing reports have been computerized. A study of these reports suggests +that UFO sightings are random, and no pattern of UFO witnesses has +been found. Witnesses cut across economic, class, racial, and educa- +tional lines. A greater percentage of reports, however, have come from +people living in rural areas than from those living in urban areas. +The reasons for this disparity are unknown. Witnesses report a great +variety of sizes and shapes of UFOs, including amorphous and changing- +shape objects. The classic "two bowls joined at the rim"shape is +reported often, but reports of objects shaped like cigars, squares, +balls, triangles, rings, and hats are also common. + +The majority of reports are of objects seen at great distance, but +reports of close observations also exist. Some of the most intriguing +reports are of objects seen on or near the ground. Often the person +claims that the object left a residue or mark on the ground. Such a +sighting is called a "trace case."Sometimes the object is claimed to +have had a physical effect on an electrical or mechanical device, +causing television interference or automobile engines to stall. + +Claims of witnessing the occupants of a UFO have come from sober, +reputable, reliable people. These reports must, however, be separated +from those of the infamous "contactees," who in the 1950s claimed +ongoing contact with "space brothers" who often gave them flying- +saucer "rides" to other planets. UFO researchers regard contactee +claims as spurious. + +The U.S. Air Force attempted to study the UFO phenomenon from 1948 to +1969 through its Project Blue Book. After collecting reports for 21 +years, it concluded that UFOs did not represent a threat to the nat- +ional security, and it could find no evidence that UFOs were of +extraterrestrial origin. In 1953, however, the Central Intelligence +Agency suggested that the USSR might be able to use "flying-saucer +hysteria" as a psychological warfare weapon against the United States. +Therefore, from 1953 to 1969, the U.S. Air Force was concerned mainly +with the incidence of UFO reports and never seriously considered the +idea that UFOs per se might represent anomalous or unique phenomena. + +Other institutions and scientists have also confronted the phenomenon. +A 1953 study by the Battelle Memorial Institute resulted in inconclu- +sive findings. From 1966 to 1969 the University of Colorado conducted +an extensive study of UFOs. The project director, physicist Edward U. +Condon, concluded that UFOs did not represent a threat to the national +security and were not anomalous; several of the staff scientists, +however, strongly disagreed with his conclusions. + +In recent years scientific interest in the subject has grown, but +adequate funding for another scientific inquiry has not yet material- +ized. Scientists and academicians have used their own time and funds +to study UFOs, but progress has been slow and difficult. Until a syst- +ematic, impartial, and long-term study of the problem can be develop- +ed, UFOs are likely to remain one of the most puzzling mysteries of +our times. DAVID M. JACOBS + +Bibliography: +Hendry, Allan, The UFO Handbook (1979); Hynek, J. Allen, The UFO +Experience: A Scientific Inquiry (1972); Jacobs, David M., The UFO +Controversy in America (1975); Sagan, Carl, and Page, Thornton, eds., +UFOs: A Scientific Debate (1973). +Y[ JLast page !OFF + +Thank you for using CompuServe! +Off at 16:31 MST 25-Jan-90 +Connect time = 0:08 +. +network: call cleared by request + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1172.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1172.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..667741d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1172.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,290 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF CANADA (UFORIC) FILE: UFO1172 + + ================================================================== + Information File On: U.F.O. Research Institute of Canada (UFORIC) + ================================================================== + + As UFONET is not itself an investigative body, but a forum for + the thoughts and ideas of the public, UFOlogists, and research groups; + part of our mandate is to alert people to the existence of worthwhile + research organizations. Recently, I learned of a new organization by + the name of UFORIC, which is based in Vancouver. Other than a having + a packet of documents from them, I have very little first-hand info + about the group. However, from what I've seen so far, they do seem + to be a professionally run organization, which in this field of study, + is saying a lot. What follows then is some reprints of some of the + information that was sent to me. If you're interested in pursuing + this further, contact addresses and phone numbers will be listed. + + Again, what follows should not be construed as an endorsement + of UFORIC, although my own personal feelings are that UFORIC seems + to be a legitimate organization, and one in which your money wouldn't + be wasted. One thought to bear in mind is that this group has only + been in operation for about 14 wks. and may be "here today, gone + tomorrow". However I don't think this will be the case with UFORIC, + as they seem to have done their homework and started on a solid + organizational foundation. UFORIC was "Incorporated" earlier this + year in the province of British Columbia. UFONET is in no way + affiliated with UFORIC, although its hoped that their will be two- + way co-operation between both groups. One of the Directors, Lorne + Goldfeather, informed me that they were looking to have a BBS arm + of UFORIC 8-12 months down the road. At present, I'm trying to + procure a UFONET node in Vancouver, in order that we might have + quicker access to Directors and members of UFORIC in the B.C. area. + + - Tom Mickus <> 9/29/89 + + + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + Note: The following electronic reproductions are different in form + ---- than that of the originals. + + + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + U.F.O. RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF CANADA + + 24 Hour Reporting Service - News Updates Daily + + + U F O R I C + + For Information call: 1-(604)-685-1-UFO + -------------------- + Or write: Dept. 25 - 1665 Robson St., + -------- Vancouver, B.C., Canada, V6G 3C2 + + + Current List Of U.F.O.R.I.C. Board Of Director Officers: + -------------------------------------------------------- + + First Officer: - Helen Williams, 106-1170 Haro St. Vancouver B.C. + ------------- V6E 1R8 + + Second Officer: - Graham Conway + -------------- + + Third Officer: - Brian Fewster, 7709-127th St., Surrey, B.C. + ------------- V3W 4B1 + + Fourth Officer: - Jack Roberts, 7165 Bridgewood Dr., Burnaby, B.C. + -------------- V5A 3T5 + + Fifth Officer: - Neil Gilchrist, 5629 Ash St., Vancouver, B.C. + ------------- V5Z 3G8 + + Sixth Officer: - Lorne Goldfeather, #904, 1275 Haro St., Vancouver + ------------- B.C., V6E 1G1 + + + + + ====================================================================== + (code-of-ethics form-1) U.F.O.R.I.C. (members copy) + ====================================================================== + + + AIMS OF THE ASSOCIATION + ----------------------- + + 1. To promote the free exchange, discussion and dissemination of + information, theories and ideas and proofs related to ufology, + in Canada and internationally. + + 2. To maintain high standards of ethics, humanitarianism, and + scientific practices in the study of the U.F.O. phenomenon. + + 3. To preserve the history and genealogy of available U.F.O. research. + + 4. To secure cooperative action in advancing the common cause of its + members. + + 5. To disseminate information of a general, economic, social or + governmental character; to analyze subjects relating there to; + and present the views of its members to other organizations, + the government, and the public (may require inviting guest + speakers, or travelling to locations other than Vancouver). + + 6. To cooperate with other organizations of like interest, in Canada + and worldwide. + + 7. To further the training and education of its members. + + 8. To maintain a 24 HOUR reporting hotline and carry on + investigations, which may involve hypnosis by a certified + hypnotherapist. + + 9. To promote standardization in the investigation, reporting and + evaluation of U.F.O. sightings and related phenomena. + + 10. To provide, at some point in time, in a newsletter or periodical, + a local, and/or national, and/or international forum for the + report and publication of all worthy activities and projects of + person, groups or organizations working in the field of ufology. + + 11. To make awards, eventually, within the life of this association, + to persons, associations, or agencies, in recognition of + outstanding accomplishments in the field of ufology. Awards + may be of a general nature or specific funding for an + investigative research project. + + + + CODE OF ETHICS + -------------- + + 1. Members shall maintain high standards of ethics and scientific + practices and shall be guided in their relationships by personal + integrity. + + 2. They shall uphold the dignity and reputation of U.F.O.R.I.C. + before the public at all times. + + 3. They shall avoid and discourage sensationalism, exaggeration, + undignified and unwarranted statements, or misleading advertising. + + 4. In providing devices of any nature, such as an electomagnetic + field detector, gravity wave detector, or signalling machines, + they shall offer a 30 day money back guarantee and provide a + year's warranty on the item in writing (except for expendable + parts). Also, they shall provide a repair service for any device + offered (reasonable use required). + + 5. In providing service for compensation, they shall refuse to + undertake that which is of a questionable nature, and they shall + advise the probability of success. + + 6. They shall not use their membership in this association as + evidence of qualification, or as a measure of ability or + performance. + + 7. They shall not exhibit or use the name of U.F.O RESEARCH INSTITUTE + OF CANADA - (U.F.O.R.I.C.) on any letterhead, stationary, or + business cards, nor in advertising of a business or professional + nature, unless as part of the association's regular activities, + along with the approval of its board of directors. + + 8. Any members found to be in violation of this Code of Ethics by the + board of directors may have his/her membership priviledges in the + U.F.O.R.I.C. revoked. + + + ====================================================================== + + + ====================================================================== + + + + (Form Sent to People Inquiring about UFORIC) + + + Date: + + + Dear __________________, + + + Thank you for your request about our organization. + We are a non profit group of professionals who are greatly + interested and keenly determined in solving the U.F.O. mystery + in a methodical, serious manner. + + Aside from our 24 HOUR NEWS SERVICE, we do on-going + investigations and on-site inspections. We depend on public + support in order to keep this organization in existence. + + We are offering yearly club memberships. For $20.00 you + will receive a UFORIC membership card and interesting mailings + on the subject every month. Another $2.00 will get you a + catalogue of many U.F.O. magazines and books available from us + dating as far back as 1957 up to present time. + + Kindly send a postal money order (money orders only please) + to Lorne Goldfeather, Dept. 25 - 1665 Robson St., Vancouver, B.C., + V6G 3C2, Canada. + + We look forward to hearing from you. Any further donation + will also be greatly appreciated. We intend to grow as an + established and respected institution worldwide with your help. + + + Yours Truly, + + + Lorne Goldfeather, + Director UFORIC + + + =================================================================== + + + =================================================================== + + + To Whom It May Concern + + + UFORIC - U.F.O. Research Institute of Canada is pleased to + announce its services to the civilian, medical, governmental, police + and military communities. + + We maintain a 24 hour REPORTING AND NEWS DISSEMINATION SERVICE + on our HOTLINE. All incoming calls and information disclosed to us + is held in strictest confidence, never leaving the office of the + director or shown to others without the expressed permission of the + confidant. + + As a non-profit organization, we depend on contributions to + maintain our services as well as doing on-site research with + monitoring equipment. Any donations of $20.00 and over will entitle + you to club membership for one year. Every month you will receive + material in the mail on the U.F.O. phenomena. + + Our government has had two official documented studies on + the subject of flying saucers. They even set up an observation + post with electromagnetic detectors at Shirley Bay in the province + of Ontario. Canada now has an astronomical data collection agency + in Victoria, British Columbia. + + An item we are currently offering consists of two interesting + recordings on one audio tape. The first part consists of a live + conversation recorded by American BASE COMMANDER HALT at Woodbridge, + England. Halt, Lieutenant Bruce Englund, Major Zickler and Sergeant + Nevells were taking radiation readings at a landing site in a forest + close by. Suddenly they saw several U.F.O.s fly near them and they + became very frightened. Former Woodbridge Base Commander Colonel + Sam Morgan released the audiotape to British Solicitor Harry Harris + in 1984. + + Following this, we have inserted a completely different + recording of what we believe to be an extraterrestrial voice + pleading for help four times. This tape came to us during our + research of a family who on several occasions encountered U.F.O.s. + The father is a prominent local businessman. His wife made a + recording on audio tape which she planned to send to friends in + Australia. After finishing she played it back and was disappointed + to find distortions in her voice throughout the tape. Strangely + it was only in the parts where she spoke about U.F.O.s Her husband + made a HIGH SPEED DUBBING, and oddly enough, it came out with her + voice in slow motion overlaid by another eerie voice pleading for + help four times. At this time we are trying to determine if it + has voice print. + + We will send you these recordings, one audio cassette + for $15 (Money order). Please send postal money orders to: + Lorne Goldfeather, Dept. 25 - 1665 Robson St., Vancouver, B.C., + V6G 3C2, Canada. + + + ==================================================================== + ==================================================================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1173.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1173.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3508dae9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1173.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +SUBJECT: CLOSE ENCOUNTER AT OLD NIKE MISSLE BASE FILE: UFO1173 + + + UNUSUAL REPORT OF A UFO AND A GREEN-FACED ENTITY + SEEN NEAR AN OLD U.S.A.F. NIKE MISSLE BASE + + DATE: June 24, 1988 + + TIME: Sometime between 12:30 and 2:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time + + LOCATION: Redmond, Washington + + DURATION: Estimates vary, around 7 minutes for sighting of UFO; + about 45 minutes total duration including sighting of + face, possibly longer + + SOURCE OF SIGHTING: UFO Information Service (Goudie) + + INVESTIGATORS: Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D., MUFON + Don Olson, MUFON + Rita Andreeva, MUFON + + Four 11-year-old girls who had attended a private Christian +elementary school together were having a slumber party reunion at the +home of one of the girls on Education Hill in Redmond, Washington. At +a few minutes after either 12:30 AM or 1:30 AM they were looking out +the window to see if they could find the girl's dog. They were +downstairs in the TV room, while the parents and brother and sister of +the host were asleep upstairs. They witnessed a craft-like UFO, +described as either a domed-disc or two plates put together edge-to- +edge, hovering in the night sky. It had white and red lights and +possibly faint green lights around the rim of the object. Of the two +girls interviewed, both thought right away that it was a UFO (i.e. +"spacecraft"), and not an aircraft because it was similar to a picture +they had once seen in a book. + + The UFO was hovering at about 30 degrees above the horizon when +first sighted. It was described as smaller than a house in size, +possibly 25 feet in diameter. The UFO moved to the right horizontally +about 10 degrees, reversed direction abruptly and moved back in a +straight line to the left 10 degrees, moved back to the right 5 +degrees to a center position, and then moved really fast straight +down. It moved down behind some tall evergreen trees and the girls +thought that it probably came down in a clearing in Nike Park, about +3-4 blocks from the girl's home where they were staying. The UFO was +reported to be visible through the window of the TV room for a total +of between 2 and 7 minutes. + + Some time later, within 15 minutes to a half an hour, two of the +girls witnessed a frightening face. The accounts of how the face +appeared to them varies. In one account the girls thought they saw +something like a shadow or a figure at the top of the stairs leading +up to the kitchen. The became scared and hid in their sleeping bags; +they zipped them over their heads and lay next to each other. They +conversed through the bags and agreed to look at the same time, so +that it would not be too scary. As they pulled the bags down from +over their heads they saw a dark, mossy green face only about arm's +length away. Really frightened, one of the girls pulled the sleeping +bag over her head, and when she looked out again in a few minutes, the +being was gone. The other girl's account said they were lying on +their backs trying to get to sleep and staring up at the ceiling when +all of a sudden they both saw this green face. She watched it for +about 45 seconds, "and then it just, went away". Asked if it just +vanished like it was a slide from a projector or something, she said, +no, it wasn't like that. It was just like a real face, but it was +green in color and it was looking at them. The second girl appears to +be unclear about how the face appeared because she also reports she +covered her head with the sleeping bag at one point but can't remember +when. + + The face was described as greenish in hue, with red, glowing +eyes. Interviewed separately, both of the girls said there was +something like a dent in one of the cheeks. One girl said it looked +like the "face on Mars" photograph she saw in the newspaper about a +week later, while the other girl said it had pointy ears and bushy +eyebrows. When asked a direct question later about the pointed ears, +the second girl said she didn't remember any ears. If the face had +indeed been attached to a body, one girl figures that the being must +have been about 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall. + + About 10 to 15 minutes later the second girl, who lived there, +saw a clump of rainbow colored lights slowly revolving in her kitchen +and flashing light all over the ceiling and refrigerator. The first +girl made a vague reference to lights in the kitchen but apparently +did not see the rainbow-colored clump of lights hovering in the +kitchen (the kitchen is partially visible from the TV room, up half a +flight of stairs). + + The girls became noisy discussing what they had seen woke the +mother. The mother came down and ordered them to go to sleep. +Apparently nothing further happened that night. + + Of the other two girls, they are certain that one saw what they +saw but would not consent to be interviewed by UFO investigators. +They are unsure what the fourth girl saw. The second girl, the one at +whose home the events occurred, reported that she had had a +precognitive experience during that previous day, recalling during a +croquet match that she had dreamed those exact events some weeks +before. She also reports that since the UFO incident she is no longer +subject to nose bleeds, which she reports have occurred to her +chronically throughout her life and also occur with her father. She +also said that a soccer injury to her knee no longer gave her any pain +after the encounter, and she attributes the healing to the event. + + The neighborhood in which her home is located borders an old Air +Force Nike Missle base. Part of the property is now a Washington +State National Guard facility, part of it is deserted and belongs to +the local school district, and part of it has been converted to a +park. We talked to a staff sargent on the National Guard base who +reported that he was sleeping at the base on the night in question and +recalls nothing unusual. He reported that light aircraft tend to use +the base as a landmark and so overflights are frequent, and, during +the daytime hours, hot air balloons frequently come over the base from +the Sammamish River valley to land in some clearings to the east. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1174.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1174.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..73f5c3b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1174.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +SUBJECT: REAGAN: " I SAW UFO !" FILE: UFO1174 + + +REAGAN: I SAW UFO...and ordered pilot to follow + +Ronald Reagan once spotted a UFO during an airplane flight and ordered his personal pilot to chase the mysterious object as it streaked across the sky! + Reagan's close encounter with space aliens took place in 1974 when he was governor of California. + His former pilot, Bull Paynter, reveals details of the shocking incident: + "I was the pilot of the plane when we saw the UFO. Also on board were Governor Reagan and a couple of his security people. + "We were flying a Cessna Citation. It was maybe 9 or 10 o'clock at night. + "We were near Bakersfield, California when Governor Reagan and the others called my attention to a big light flying a bit behind my plane. + + SPEED + + "It appeared to be several hundred yards away. It was a fairly steady light until it began to accelerate, then it appeared to elongate. + "Then the light took off. It went up at a 45-degree angle-at a high rate of speed. + "Everyone on the plane was surprised. + "Governor Reagan expressed amazement. I told the others I didn't know what it was." + Paynter, who's logged thousands of hours in the sky, says the object definitely wasn't another airplane. + "The UFO went from a normal cruise speed to a fantastic speed instantly," he says. + "If you give an airplane power it will accelerate-but not like a hot rod, and that's what this was like," he adds. + Reagan described the UFO sighting one week later to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal. + According to author Doyle McManus, Reagan told Miller: + "I was ina a plane last week when I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. + + FOLLOWED IT + + "I went up to the pilot and said, "Have you ever seen anything like that?" He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" + "We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. + "We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. + "When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." + After the eerie UFO encounter, the Reagans reportedly read as much as they could about UFOs. + But later when Reagan was asked if he believed in UFOs, the astute politician with plans for the White House sheepishly said he was neither a believer nor a non-believer. + + REPORT + + Pilot Paynter, who now owns a freight airplane in Sacramento, California, says he and Reagan discussed their UFO sighting "from time to time" after it happened. + "But we didn't file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO," he says. + +KEN O'HARA + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1175.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1175.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0bc202f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1175.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +SUBJECT: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER DETAILED FILE: UFO1175 + + + + SEATTLE (AP) -- Robert Gribble has never seen a UFO himself, but he +believes others who say they have and has investigated thousands of UFO +sightings for about 30 years. + Gribble runs the National UFO Reporting Center from a cramped but +tidy office in his home. + "Even though I've never seen one, there's not the slightest doubt +they're there," said Gribble, a retired firefighter recognized as one +of the country's foremost authorities on unidentified flying objects. + "Either that or we've got a lot of notorious liars from all around +the globe," he said. + He pays $1,200 a year from his own pocket to keep the center open +and fields an average six calls a day from people who think they have +seen unidentified flying objects. + All seek an explanation. Gribble records their comments, asks +questions and takes their telephone numbers in case he gets additional +information. + "If people realize we are not alone -- as we have been taught for +hundreds of years -- man's outlook as to how we treat each other would +change," he said. "Now we think of ourselves as citizens of the U.S. +If we thought of ourselves as citizens of the planet Earth, things +would change for the better." + Gribble's office contains a large map of the United States studded +with 3,500 shiny red pinheads, each representing a so-called close +encounter sighting of a UFO. Some of the sightings date from 1946. + A witness must be within 500 yards of an object to classify as a +close encounter. + Gribble said he wasn't surprised by the recent UFO report of a +veteran Japan Air Lines pilot who said his plane was followed for +nearly 400 miles over Alaska by one gigantic and two smaller aircraft +in mid-November. + The Federal Aviation Administration later confirmed that an air +traffic controller spotted the unknown aircraft. But agency spokesmen +say their investigation has been hampered by a radar recording's +failure to show the aircraft's signal. + From the thousands of calls he has investigated over the years, +Gribble says most of the craft are described as disc-shaped, spherical, +oval, triangular or cigar-shaped. People reporting close encounters +say a humming sound emanates from the object. + The government is covering up the existence of UFOs to prevent +panic, said Gribble, who cites as evidence his own research and reports +from declassified government documents + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1176.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1176.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3423efa9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1176.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +SUBJECT: MEN FROM MARS TRADED WITH ANCIENT EGYPT ! FILE: UFO1176 + + +BY LISA MERAKIS for WWN + + +Swiss scientist say they can prove beyond a doubt that the Lost City of Atlan- +tis was on Mars - and its astronauts traded with ancient Egypt for thousands +of years! + +Even more incredible, they claim to have the evidence to show that the legend- +ary King Tut died spectacularly in a space shuttle crash with an alien crew. + +The Martian civilization destroyed itself or was destroyed by a meteor while +Egypt was still in its prime, Dr. Stephan Cleis told a gathering of reporters +and scientists in Bern, Switzerland. + +But the inhabitants left their mark both on Earth and Mars. Top secret photo- +graphs taken by America's Martian probes clearly show the remains of temples +on the surface of the planet. + +Egypt's pyramids and the ability to mummify the human body are definitely the +result of technologies that originated not on Earth but someplace else, in +this case Mars. + +It is our belief that the Atlantans traded these technologies to the Egyptians +for gold. + +Dr. Cleis and a colleague, Egyptologist Konrad Vetsch, said that a recently +deciphered Egyptian scroll first led them to believe that Atlantis was located +on Mars. + +The scroll describes a technologically advanced civilization existing beyond +our own planet, in the vast, black ocean of space. + +It also alludes to space travel and the use of a shuttle craft to ferry man- +like extraterrestrials from a space bound mother ship to the surface of Earth. + +Researchers have long known that the Egyptians were exposed to flight because +an elaborate model of what they called a glider was found in Tut's tomb, Dr. +Vetsch told the group. + +In light of information gleaned from the scrolls, we now see that the glider +was in fact the replica of a space shuttle. And it was just such a space craft +that crashed with Tut aboard. + +Not everyone attending the conference agreed with the experts theories. Dr. +Seth Rausch, a German historian, things they went too far in calling the Mart- +ian civilization Atlantis. + +I don't doubt that the Egyptians were in contact with extraterrestrials, said +the expert. But until we actually inspect the ruins on Mars, there is no way +to know if they are the remains of Atlantis. + +In my opinion, if Atlantis did exist, it existed here on Earth. + +Norwegian astronomer Elling Gade agreed. Atlantis might have been the colony +of an alien civilization. But it most definitely was located on this planet, +he said. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1177.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1177.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..82247165 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1177.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,232 @@ +SUBJECT: OLD NEWS FROM CUFON FILE: UFO1177 + + +SOURCE : CUFON Computer UFO Network + +SUBJECT: Unidentified Flying Objects + + + POSSIBLE FORGOTTEN OR UNKNOWN INFORMATION +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +1. I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not + constructed by any power on earth. President Harry S. Truman - Press + conference, Washington DC, April 4, 1950. + +2. Based upon unreliable and unscientific surmises as data, the Air Force + develops elaborate statistical findings which seem impressive to the + uninitiated public unschooled in the fallaciec of the statistical method. + One must conclude that the highly publicized Air Force pronouncements + based upon unsound statistics serve merely to misrepreent the true + character of the UFO phenomena. Yale Scientific Magazine (Yale University) + Volume XXXVII, Number 7, April 1963 + +3. I feel that the Air Force has not been giving out all the available + information on the Unidentified Flying Objects. You cannot disregard so + many unimpeachable sources. John W. McCormack, Speaker of the House of + Representatives of the United States. January 1965 + +4. I have absolutely no idea where the UFO's come from or how they are + operated, but after ten years of research, I know they are something from + ourside our atmosphere. Dr. James E. McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric + physics, University of Arizona. 1967. + +5. I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and + interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer + space. Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, National + Aeronautics and Space Administration, and former United States Air Force + spokesman for Project Blue Book. + +6. The least improbable explanation is that these things UFO's are artificial + and controlled. My opinion for some time has been that they have an + extraterrestrial origin. Dr. Maurice Bilot, one of the world's leading + aerodynamicists and mathematical physicists. Life, April 7, 1952 + +7. Of course the flying saucers are real and they are interplanetary. + Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, commanding officer of the Royal Air Force + of Great Britain, August 1954 + +Comments: It would seem that many people thought there was something to + all of this stuff called UFO's and if this is all true, could it + be that all of us are being mislead. One thing is for sure the + history of this subject matter is being forgotten and there is over + 40 years of it. It should be very clear to many people that this + at least is true and if so then why ? I must admit this does bother + me to think that we think so little of ourselves not to care about + whats real and whats not. The old story is why should anyone care + unless there is some money to be made or does this really concern + a layman who does not know anything anyway are so they say. but + who are they ? This is what we should start finding out and then + maybe we will be a little closer to the problem. There has been + to many good men who put themselves on the line for such a good + cause, I believe we call this truth or have we forgotten this too. + + Dale D. Goudie, Director Of CUFON. + + ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + -> LATE NEWS <- + + JUNE 1, 1986 + + CUFON: Does not necessarily take or have any opinion as to the (AP) News + Articles which are on this system. + Note: CUFON - Leaves this up to the reader or readers. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +The Seattle Times + +BY Elizabeth Puliiam +Times Staff Reporter + + NASA should get out of the business of launching spacecraft and let +private industry take over before astronomical costs cancel the space program +forever, according to one member of a presidential commission on U.S. space +strategy. + +Unless we can redically lower the cost of reaching space, it's possible that +this country may not go, said David Webb, a space development consultant and +member of President Reagan's National Commission on Space, in an interview +here yesterday. + +Webb will address the Space Development Conference at 3:30 p.m. today in the +Westin Hotel. The Commission delivered its recommendations to the president +Friday, although parts of the controversial report had earlier been leaked to +trade journals. The report describes layers of space stations between the +earth, moon and mars to be built by 2017. + +The cost of putting objects into space must be slashed to noe-tenth its +present level, from $2,000 per pound, to $200 per pound, to make further space +exploitation possible, Webb said. That means that the private sector should +be more heavily involved in designing and opwerating space craft. + + + + + + CUFON - Computer UFO Network + + -> LATEST NEWS <- + + July 17, 1986 + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +The Seattle Times + +Close-Up Mystery Air Force Crash + +Hush Fuels Reports That Doomed Plane Was "Stealth" + +Knlght-Ridder Newspapers and Reuters: +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +Bakersfield, Calif. - Out on Rancheria Road stands a roadblock manned +by two soldiers wearing "sunglasses", green-and-brown camouflage outfits +and black M-16 rifles slung over their backs. + +Beyond that roadblock, out in the sun-bleached hills about 12 miles from +Bakersfield, is a mystery. + +Early last Friday, something fell out of the sky and into a canyon in the +Sequoia National Forest, crashing on Kenneth and Agnes Mebane's ranch about +4 miles south of the roadblock. It is something the Air Force wishes no one +else knew about. And they intend to do everything they can to keep others +from finding out. + +I haven't asked them anything, says 63-year-old Kenneth Mebane of the soldiers +who moved onto his property without asking permission shortly after the 2 A.M. +incident. + +Then, echoing many who live nearby, Mebane adds, I think that's their business. +Officiallt, the Air Force says only that one of its planes crashed and that its +pilot, Maj. Ross Mulhare, was killed. +Military analysts suspect the plane was one of a number of top-secret Stealth +fighters designed to be virtually invisible to enemy radar. The Pentagon +refuses to acknowledge that any such planes exist, although it is known the Air +Force currently has three Stealth programs in operation. + +The plane also is suspected to have come from nearby Edwards Air Force Base, +although the military won't comfirm or deny that. I can't say where it was +based at or where it was going, say Air Force Lt. Col. Jerry Guess, who is +stationed at Edwards and who is the only authorized dpokesman at the crash +scene. So much secrecy is ironic in light of a pending congressional +investigation into reports that the Lockheed Corp., major contractor for the +F-19 Stealth fighter, may have lost hundreds of documents involved with its +Stealth research. + +The plane was first sighted by a pilot in a small commercial airplane, who +radioed the Federal Aviation Administration in Los Angeles. The FAA notified +the Forest Service, which called in Kern County firefighters from Bakersfield +to put out a 120 acre fire sparked by the crash. Fire Capt. Darrell Tiede +and his crew from the Niles station house arrived before the military and saw +the wreckage. But Tiede refuses to talk about it. A reporter for the +Bakersfield Californian says one firefighter described the crash site as molten +iron. But the reporter says the man's supervisor quickly told him not to say +anymore. + +Kern County Fire Capt. Bill Alexander says all the secrecy can cause problems. +Air Force personnel shooed firefighters away from the area before they had +completely mopped up the blaze, he says. A Kern County "coroner's investigator +was dispatched to the ranch, but turned back to Bakersfield when military +officials said they were taking care of the remains. The Air Force refuses to +say where the pilot was taken." + +While the cleanup continues, the Air Force has moved into an office at +Meadows Field, Bakersfield's public airport. And it has been flying helicopters +and twin-engine planes in and out of the field over the past six days. If the +plane that crashed was a Stealth model, the Air Force has to be concerned that +no debris is left in the area. Not only is the sleek, highly aerodynamic shape +of a Stealth fighter believed important in eluding radar, but the materials +used to build the plane must be of a special kind to absorb,rather than reflect +, enemy radar. Thus the military would have to make sure that every chunk of +the plane's body was removed. + + + + + + + + CUFON - Computer UFO Network + + - > LATE NEWS <- + + DECEMBER 5, 1985 + + FALLSTON, MD. ( AP ) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +REAGAN TO GORBACHEV: " THREAT FROM ET'T WOULD UNITE EARTH " + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +President Reagan revealed wednesday that his discussions with soviet +leader Mikhail Gorbachev, touched not only on "Star Wars," but the +extraterrestrial. + +In an address to students at Fallston High School here, reahan departed +from his prepared remarks to say that in his private discussions with +Gorbachev at last months Geneva summit, he noted that "we're all god +children. + +I couldn't help but say to him just think how easy his task and mine +might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly if there was a threat +to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the +universe, Reagan said the president went on to say that such an event +would force himself and Gorbachev to forget all the little local differences +that we have between our countries and they would find out that we really +are all human beings here on this earth together. + +Well, I don't suppose we can wait for some alien race to come down and +threaten us, Reagan added. But I think that between us we can bring about +that realization. + +The President then ended his remarks, without giving his young audience a +clue as to how Gorbachev reponded. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1178.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1178.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..caf0cbae --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1178.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,562 @@ +SUBJECT: VARIOUS WEALTH OF UFO INFORMATION FILE: UFO1178 + + +Info gleaned from various sources + + +THE RELEASE OF THE COOPER MATERIAL + +There are many hazards regarding the exposing of information regarding UFOs. It +has not been until quite recently that any degree of safety at all has been +available for people releasing such information. Were it not for the fact that +Cooper released his information so far and wide and it filtered to so many +people at once -- newspapers, legislators, heads of state, people in important +positions all over the world -- he would have suffered severely. But because it +was scattered so quickly, it would have been fruitless to silence him after the +information had been released. It would only have added to the credibility of +the information. At the beginning of 1990, there was still an active debate in +certain circles about what to do about Cooper -- whether to deal with him in a +threatening manner or to simply discredit him. A campaign planned to use +approximately one million dollars worth of effort to discredit him. The money +was to be used to imply that Cooper made up or gathered information from +various sources and threw it together for a personal financial motive. It was +not to come through normal media channels, but through UFO magazines and +newsletters in the form of articles and exposes and through UFO groups, most of +which are controlled. Alternate UFO scenarios were also to be released so that +by the time 1990 ended, many different scenarios would be floating around. +People would be unable to decipher which one was true and which one wasn't. As +long as interest was shown in the Cooper material by only a small group of +people who happened to be curious about UFOs, there was to be no action taken. +But if Cooper's material was taken seriously by credible people, these would be +the target for the efforts to discredit him. Enormous amounts of previously +highly classified information have been brought out into the open. We now have +a situation where, individuals, instead of being forced to remain silent for +fear of assassination are not afraid to tell what they know. Too many have +seen. Too many have witnessed. They cannot all be silenced. This is the +beginning of the end of the security surrounding this situation. Therefore, the +following information shall be released. + +THE SPECIES CLASSIFIED The present number of alien types having contact with +the earth right now is nine, with seven being relatively permanent and five +being influential. Contrary to the information that the government might +release, not all UFO inhabitants are friendly representatives from the Galactic +Space Confederation. + + +ZETA RETICULI GREYS -- SMALL Zeta Reticuli Greys come from Zeta Reticulan, near +Barnard's Star, which is a neighboring star system to Orion. They are very +short (about 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall), grayish silver in color and have no sexual +or digestive parts to their bodies. They are created through a cloning process +of alien genetic engineering. They are an ancient race and have reproduced +themselves for thousands of years. They have very limited facial features. They +have large eyes, a very small slit for a mouth and no nose to speak of. The +eyes are large almond-shaped and black. They have evolved beyond the sexual +reproduction process so that all sexual organs and their digestive tracts have +totally atrophied. They are no longer capable of eating or indulging in sexual +activities. They are a close relative to the insect family. The Zetas are the +ones involved in the cattle mutilations. They absorb certain substances from +parts of the cattle that stabilize them during the cloning process. This can be +placed under the tongue to give sustenance and stability for some time. It is a +substance that comes from certain mucus membranes: the lips, nose, genitals and +rectum, and also from certain organs. These glandular substances serve as +nutrients in lieu of eating. Resting the substances under the tongue is not the +only way they get nutrition. You may have noticed that the cattle mutilations +generally result in all the blood being drained from the body. The Zetas have +in their bases canisters and vats in which animal and human organs float along +with a purple liquid to hold these parts in suspension. The Zetas swim in the +mixture and absorb the nutrients through their skin. They use hydrogen peroxide +in both the absorption and elimination process. The hydrogen peroxide also +helps to preserve the liquid and organ mixture to keep it from spoiling. They +have no digestive tract and eliminate through the skin. To eliminate, they need +to pass the substance through some part of their body, much the same way plants +eliminate through their skin or outer shells. They use hydrogen peroxide for +helping with that elimination as well. The Zetas have also been referred to as +the Little Green Men because they tend to turn a shade of green when they have +not received sufficient food. When they are in this state, they are very +vicious. The cloning of these aliens can be done quite quickly, reproducing +synthetic replicas. They have a technology that is much beyond that of humans +and that has led to the agreements with the United States government whereby +exchanges of these techniques could occur. The Zeta Reticuli Greys are not +masters of their own fate. They are, rather, subservient to a reptilian race of +people from their home planet. The Zetas seek, but are fearful of, freedom from +their masters. They seem to have some desire to work closely with humans in an +effort to retain the freedom they have on earth, which they have never +experienced before. In their desire to retain that freedom from their reptilian +masters, they would hope to play the role of being masters here on earth, or at +least having enough control so as to be safe from slavery by any other species. +The Zetas are of two social classes, one being hawkish, the other more +dove-like. The more dove-like Zetas are more refined and capable of more +business-like behavior toward humans, while the other type is more abrupt, +blunt and crude in their directness. The Zetas desire the help of humans in an +expected future confrontation with the reptilian masters who are expected to +follow soon, within the next 20 years. This refers to the so-called asteroid +that is on its way toward earth. It is housing approximately 30 million +reptilian aliens. It has, however, temporarily diverted its path as it moves +into the constellation of Draco. + +BELLATRAX GREYS -- SHORT The short Grey, which is shorter than the Zeta +Reticuli, is from a star system near the Orion constellation, near the shoulder +of the figure in a star system called Belletrax. They are shorter, much like +dwarves (about 1 1/2 feet tall). They are more indirect, but just as vicious +towards humans as the Zetas. Both the Bellatrax Grays and the Zeta Reticuli +Greys are related genetically from the same root race and look very much alike +except for size. + +ORION GRAYS -- TALL The other type of Grey is the tall, big-nosed Grey. They +have large noses and stand about 7 or 8 feet tall. They are based in the +Aleutian Islands and recently were witnessed in a park in the Eastern part of +Russia. These creatures are hostile, but less vicious toward humans. They tend +to try to influence through the use of political controls. They have certain +powers and technologies that allow them to perform actions that appear +miraculous. In the Russian incident, a woman whose leg was deformed was picked +up by these Orion Greys and was released thousands of miles away. Her leg was +healed. The aliens did not heal her leg. They transplanted a new leg onto her +body. The Orion Grays give the impression that they are benevolent towards +humans, but they are heavily into genetic engineering. They use humans as +guinea pigs to conduct various experiments. They have grown arms and legs and +other body parts in a formless matrix made from human flesh. A leg may grow out +of a torso, hands might grow from the middle of the torso's stomach. All this +is done through the injecting of certain genomes into flesh and the application +of electromagnetic charges. In this way they can grow human body parts to help +deformed or injured humans -- or for their own purposes of food and sustenance. +They are interested in controlling the masses of the earth through certain +negotiated agreements with those in power. + +ALL GREYS The Greys are all, to some degree, influencing human history at this +time. The nature of the Greys, especially the Zeta Reticuli and the short +Greys, is that they do not have deep emotional feelings or compassion. They are +very calculating, cold intellectuals and see humans as being inferior. They +look at humans much the same way a farmer looks at his cows. They understand +the passions and compassion of humans to the degree it is observable by them. +But they do not have feelings. These aliens are on the equivalent human level +of cannibals. They see humans being an inferior species. They are carnivorous. +The Zeta Reticuli Greys feed upon glandular secretions of humans and are quite +capable of killing people for that secretion, or abducting humans and +extracting the secretions for themselves. The genetic manipulation is one way +that the aliens see as evolving and saving their dying race. In a sense, humans +are suddenly the saviors of the souls of the aliens. But at least it is a way +that humans may have an influence on the aliens. This is not the first time +that a civilization has attempted to absorb an enemy rather than defeating it. +While the enemy invader may assume that they are taking over, they are in fact +being absorbed. The Tartars invaded Russia and within a hundred years were +absorbed into Russian society. + +PLEIADEANS Of the five, those from the Pleiades are entities who are distant +relatives of humankind. They are related to and are the forefather race of the +genetic creation of humankind. They are of a higher spiritual development than +most people on earth at this time. They have a kinship towards humans, and are +essentially the only aliens who can to be trusted by humans. They have blonde +hair and fair skin. They are allied with the Intergalactic Space Confederation. +That doesn't mean that all entities of human appearance in space craft can or +should be trusted, for there are humans from this planet from various +governments who are working for the Zeta Reticuli Grays. Some from the Pleiades +are subordinates to the Grays, having been abducted as children or offspring of +the abductees. They have been raised and trained by the Grays as servants. The +humans from the Pleiades have made several earth contacts, but in recent times +have suspended visitations to earth. The government was told that this was +because of a space law that states that the destiny of a people shall not be +interfered with unless it threatens themselves or others in the galaxy. If the +threat of nuclear war became strong enough, these entities indicated that they +might interfere, but only to the degree of reducing that threat. That could +also set up a conflict between the Pleiadeans and the Zeta Grays, to whom a +limited nuclear war is seen as beneficial. Since the humans have made an +agreement and pact with the Zeta Greys, even though there were warnings by the +Pleiadeans against this, there is now a "hands off" policy. The Pleiadeans feel +that the humans have made their bed and now they must lie in it. It is not +likely that humans will be rescued from planned events simply to make things +easier for humans to overcome the masters they have agreed to work with. + +DRACO MOTHMEN In the constellation of Draco, there is another race of entities +which has in the past visited Earth. They are 8-foot-tall. dark, nocturnal +aliens who appeared around graveyards and parks. They have red eyes that glow +in the dark and wings to fly. They are referred to by us as Mothmen. They are +also the source of legends of the past relating to gargoyles and Valkeries. +Even some qualities of vampires have been taken from the qualities of this +creature -- the ability to fly and nocturnal habits. The Mothmen have no +particular influence on earth at this time other than as causing panic and a +cause for curiosity. They are mostly hidden underground and do not wish to +attract attention. + +DEROS/TEROS There are also underground civilizations of non-humans that have +been referred to as Deros and Teros. The Teros are more friendly and help keep +the Deros, who are more demented, from having excessive power. They live +underground in tunnels, cities and sometimes under the sea. Most of the legends +of the past of leprechauns and trolls refer to these non-humans from the inner +earth. The Deros are competitors with the Greys, but they have similar +qualities and cannot be trusted. + +THE GOVERNMENT CONNECTION Crisis management is a term used by the government to +describe the scenario where a crisis situation is created and then the people +are presented with solutions, usually three, which they would be reluctant to +accept prior to the crisis. The solutions always involve the shoring up of +security, which necessarily means the loss of some freedoms. When the situation +has reached the crisis stage, it appears as if there is no other alternative. +It appears as if the crisis just happened rather than being carefully planned. +Crisis management is a way to create the illness for which the pill has already +been invented. By creating a problem in order to supply a cure that would not +have been acceptable without the problem, the government is able to manipulate +the people, making it look as though it is benevolent in handing the situation +on behalf of the people, when in fact, it is directing the movement of the +people along a specific path that has already been chosen. The current drug +crisis is a case in point, although there is a connection to alien base funding +that makes it a very special scenario. A tremendous amount of information has +linked the United States government with the drug trade since at least the +1960s. The Christic Institute filed suit, but was successfully neutralized. The +government information that is being released is a subtle form of convincing +the public that the military must be used to do what is really the job of the +local police; for the military to shoot down airplanes suspected of carrying +drugs; for the military to be used in foreign countries. The coming currency +call-in is related to drug money laundering. There is a continuing call for the +banning of all firearms because of their use in criminal activity, particularly +drug-related crimes. The ban on assault weapons will soon be extended to every +gun. A declaration of martial law, with the resulting major security upgrade to +deal with the alien crisis, will be much easier when these things occur. The +drug situation started out as a social experiment back in the 1800s. There was +a question of whether people could be controlled by the use of drugs and to +what extent. There was at one time a belief that by getting the population +hooked on drugs, they would work at a cheap wage, with only the reward of food, +shelter and drugs to keep them satisfied. The experiment, however, resulted in +the realization that those on drugs are not satisfied with working. They want +to steal from others and are willing to become violent to do so. The experiment +also revealed that while crime increases in the United States would justify +creating a police force, the economic structure at that time was not sound +enough to pay for such a police state. The entire concept became less appealing +and more hazardous to the government. The experiment ran its course, and +yielded little in terms of the controlling effects that were desired. The side +benefit, however, was billions of dollars in profits from the selling of drugs. +The drug situation has assisted the funding of the aliens in building their +underground civilization. Much of this money has gone into helping them in +their efforts to establish bases underground. In exchange, the United States +got technology a promise that the aliens would not go to war with the United +States or other countries of the world. The aliens gave the United States and +the Soviet Union particle beam weapons, laser technology, Stealth technology, +some supercomputer technology, information on cloning and synthetic genetic +duplication of humans, some medical breakthroughs, and technology associated +with frequencies, vibrations and the electromagnetic spectrum such as ELF waves +and rail gun technology. The techniques of interdimensional travel have still +been kept secret from humans. About 15 percent of human genetic coding has been +researched by universities in the United States. It has allowed them to splice, +remove, delete and add to the genetic code in order to change it. It can be +used for destroying or creating diseases, destroying or creating plants, +animals and other life forms -- anything that may be tampered with genetically. +This effort to map out and decode all of the DNA available is one of the +reasons that many of the creatures on Level 6 of the Dulce Base were created or +altered genetically. There has recently been a breakthrough in the need for +blood by these aliens, in that cattle blood has been altered so that it suits +their needs. It is a side-effect from the experimentation that involved the +cattle mutilations. Much of the blood and tissues that they need could be +supplied from slaughterhouses and there would be no more mutilations. There has +been a continuing massive effort to fund the aliens through various means -- +not only drugs, but manipulated oil prices and other methods -- to keep them +pacified long enough to determine how best to deal with them. The choice was to +coexist with them while secretly expanding the country's technologies in order +to deal with them in the event of a conflict. This has given greater time for +the technology of humans to close the gap with the technology of the aliens. It +has been assessed that in recent years that the aliens have not been honoring +the treaties and agreements and therefore, are not to be trusted. The effort to +cut off their funding has begun, and one of the routes for cutting off funding +is to shut down the drug traffic and the influx of money from the drug cartel. +Noriega was one of those involved in helping set up the money chain that +assisted the aliens. His arrest is a strong signal that the pipeline of money +to the aliens will no longer be open. The Colombian Cartel is also ceasing +operations. The shutting down of the drug cartel is a first step in removing +the power of the aliens and pulling back from the agreements. Government +projections indicate that pulling support from the clandestine drug trade will +curtail the United States drug problem by 1993, unless it is artificially +stimulated again as a pretext to martial law. It may not be necessary however, +if the release of certain information makes national security paramount. It +must be understood that there was an enormous problem for the government when +it discovered that the earth was actually being held hostage to an alien +influence and that there was no reasonable technology for dealing with this +alien influence. President Truman made a considerable effort to engage in +combat with these aliens, but the technology of the United States at the time +was not advanced enough to even begin to have an effect. Therefore, the only +option -- short of total obliteration of the human race in an all-out war -- +was to form agreements for building, expanding and funding these bases. +Americans may judge harshly the government for its action, but it was put in a +very difficult and desperate situation in regard to national security. One +choice was to inform the people. Projections were that they would become +outraged, perhaps destroying the very fabric of society. Mobs were projected to +demand military action against a force which the government knew would be far +superior. Projections also indicated people would demand the resignation of +persons in office. They would be perceived as having been making deals with an +alien enemy without the people knowing of this. Under normal circumstances and +under the Constitution, that could be classed as treason. The government has +functioned in a manner it perceived to be in the best interest of humankind. +Yet it has also been put in a predicament whereby it could be misjudged as +having worked in collaboration with a foreign invading army. Had the government +opposed the invaders, however, it would have lead to mass destruction of +humanity. Even nuclear weapons had little usefulness in dealing with foreign +invaders on our own soil. The public cannot begin to understand what these +people have gone through in terms of soul-searching and trying to find the best +way to deal with the crisis which they were forced to manage. The option of +informing the people appeared less viable and workable than to silently make +negotiated deals with the aliens to keep them pacified over a period of time in +an attempt to find a peaceful way of coexistence. MJ 12 and those who have been +subordinate feel they have done everything possible and appropriate for the +intense situation of hosting aliens with much greater technology on the earth. +It has done all it felt was proper to preserve peace and to gain information +from the aliens in order to develop higher technology. It has also hidden vital +information and shielded certain knowledge when necessary from the aliens in +order to create weaponry that may be used against them in the event of +conflict. There is now some division and debate between those in the upper +echelons as to whether they should simply inform the people of the problem or +continue to keep it quiet. Until this debate swings one way or the other, it is +relatively hazardous to release too much information on this. If it is decided +that this information must be kept quiet, many of the sources that are +releasing this information will become targets for harassment or assassination. +But the scenario now reveals that unless information is released by the +authorities and is accepted by the vast majority of people, most Americans will +not accept the information from an individual that claims to have inner +knowledge of the government's cover-up. There was an attempt to test whether +the public would panic at the thought of invasion from aliens. It was the radio +broadcast of Orson Welles in 1938. The public reacted with panic and many +committed suicide. There is an effort now to condition the people to be more +willing to accept an alien presence as a possibility using movies and +television -- Star Wars, ET, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Aliens, V, +Alien Nation and War of the Worlds. All of these are presenting various images +and scenarios to condition the human mind to be open to what may soon be +reality. The government does not direct a studio to make these movies or TV +shows, but scripts are submitted certain people who are silent partners with +certain agencies encourage the script to be used and help find funding sources +to keep the script alive. The alien Nation scenario conditions the human mind +to accept the presence of aliens who are relatively friendly and who can +coexist with humans. War of the Worlds, which contains a scenario of humanoid +replicas and aliens living underground, shows the conflict between the aliens +and humans. ET allows people not to be paranoid or fearful when thinking of +aliens, as they may in fact be friendly. It gave people the capacity to deal +with frightening information that may otherwise cause serious insecurity. Right +now there are so many different types of aliens being offered to the human mind +that people can accept or reject any or all of them. People are gradually being +conditioned to the possibility of being informed officially. If that time +comes, there will not be a great shock. In 1938, people did not have the +preparation, and even though aliens on earth were already a reality, they were +not even prepared for a fictional representation. Only now are people being +told about the plan to set up a moon base that would later lead to a Mars +landing and a Mars base. There has been a moon base for quite some time, in the +crater Copernicus. The United States officially controlled the base until 1979, +when it was learned that the aliens were working with both the Soviets and the +Americans. The Soviets gained the advantage at that time and took over the +base. But even though there are competitions here and there, much of the cold +war was actually a facade in order to extract huge sums of money for other +purposes. Much of it was being diverted to developing technologies that have +yet to be brought out and that may be needed in the event of conflict. The +Tesla approach has for many decades been ignored by the United States. But it +has been developed and used in the Soviet Union. It is now being used in the +United States as a part of the Star Wars program to enhance and move further +into the higher technologies. The Star Wars technology is essentially designed +to assist in dealing with the alien factor and the potential conflict. The +Soviets already have laser cannons, beam weapons, certain types of shielding +fields, anti-detection fields that can be used to meet with other humans and +speak about plans without being monitored by the aliens. Much of the apparent +corruption of the government is actually based on this dilemma of how to deal +with this alien situation. There were certain benefits derived from agreements +with the aliens as indicated in the works of Cooper, especially in regards to +the Trilateralists and those who were involved in direct relationships with the +aliens. But this government was not alone in dealing with the alien situation. +The aliens were also connected with the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union and also +the Nazis. Much of the technology that the Nazis were developing during the war +was actually given them by the aliens, who were in part behind the Nazi rise to +power and the influences associated with some of the hidden philosophies of +Hitler and those of the inner group. During the time immediately following +World War II, the sightings of UFOs in various parts of the world were quite +frequent, with an aura of mystery and much government scrambling to discover +what the purpose of the aliens were. The government was aware of their presence +and had agreements that reached back to 1933, although they were not always +sure what the aliens were up to during all of this time. Later, the technology +exchange between the United States and these aliens began to have its greater +influence and the funding action began. It was in the 1930s that the Nazis had +closer ties with the Zeta Reticuli Greys. More on that in another upload. + +ALIEN BASES There are alien bases in Brazil, Argentina, the United States, the +Aleutian Islands, China, the Arctic and Antarctica, New Zealand and Australia, +Canada and those that are underwater in various oceans on the earth. There have +been a number of bases within the United States. Some of these were closed by +secret raids of government teams that were especially established to defuse the +influence and presence of these bases, particularly during the 1960s and early +1970s. These DELTA teams would go down into various caves to shut down certain +computers and in the event they ran into any aliens inhabiting the caves, there +would be an engagement. They were successful in some areas and failed in +others. This occurred in many more areas than just the Dulce Base. Later these +teams were stopped by MJ-12 and a cooperative effort was made to work with the +aliens until it was again discovered that the aliens were not honoring their +agreements and were not to be trusted. Most who were involved with such teams +have since died for one reason or another, often under mysterious +circumstances. Many of those who were working to hinder the aliens were +covertly killed, especially those who had special skills in raiding these +caves. Most caves in the United States in general are usually safe unless there +are straight, carved walls and smooth floors. Those are generally artificially +created entrances to an underground base. They should be avoided unless you +would like to end your existence. Likewise, those who see a spacecraft would be +foolish to walk up to it or approach it. Those who have been abductees do not +usually report great benefits from the experience. Generally, abductees have +been used as guinea pigs for experimentation and have disappeared permanently. +Many of the missing children have, in fact, been taken by aliens. + +ABDUCTIONS About one in every hundred people has been abducted by a UFO whether +they know it or not. There is a blue ray which they use during the abductions +that captures people and beams them up into the ship. The action of being +beamed into the ship with a blue ray actually suffocates the person, casing all +oxygen to be sucked from the person's cells, so that they hover near death for +a moment. Upon arrival in the ship, they are revived by another ray that +restores oxygen into the cells. Many abductions are of a quite cruel nature. +Humans would not want to remember what happened in some of the clinical +experimentation or examinations that occurred. The aliens have a vacuum tube +that follows up through the rectum and around into the intestines, sucking out +fecal matter, which they examine for purposes of their own research. They are +looking at the kinds of food that was eaten and examining the effects on the +person's health. They implant chips through the nose, the back of the neck and +the back of the head near the right ear during times when the subject is +conscious, but in a state of mental and physical paralysis. The subject is not +unconscious as if they were sedated. The aliens have the ability to block the +memory of the experience through the use of certain injections and drugs into +specific areas of the brain. Zeta Greys abduct humans and use them for genetic +experiments. They take the souls from those humans and put them in replicas and +release them after having altered them to some degree. They may appear to be +the same person -- and the soul is in fact the same, the body is new -- and +certain aspects of the memory and personality have been altered slightly. The +aliens create replica bodies into which souls are transplanted from one body +into another. This has been portrayed on the television series War of the +Worlds. This is a means by which these aliens snatch bodies and control people +to make them their own. Much of this occurs in underground caverns. When people +who have been disappear for some time and then are released, there is a +possibility that this has occurred to them. The aliens do not see this as +cruel. It is simply their unusual culture. They have been abducting humans for +centuries. They see the earth as a big farm and have been raising humans for +their harvest. They often abduct them and take them back to their home planet +to raise there as a form of animal husbandry. Their main problem is with their +cloning process. In the recloning, each copy of each copy of each copy weakens +repeatedly so that they are, in effect, a dying race. This has stimulated their +interest in creating a new being through genetic engineering, using human or +some other source as a new genetic substance to renergize the cloning process, +or to create a merging of their own race with another. + +END OF COLD WAR, REPTILIANS HEADING THIS WAY There is much that has not been +released in the Cooper information, which is generally very accurate as far as +it goes. Much more will surface in the coming decade, eventually being given by +people within the government. There is now a conflict between two factions +within the government agencies. One faction sees the necessity of working with +the aliens to set up a One World government in which it sees itself as being +the power behind the throne. The other faction sees the aliens as a threat to +humanity and wishes to expose the information, let the public know and prevent +the aliens from gaining control of the planet. Those who are collaborators with +the aliens do not want the information released. They are continuing the +cover-up out of fear that the people would blame them, consider them traitors +and hold them responsible for for all that is due to an alien presence. There +was a time when these leaders realized that many humans were being sacrificed +to feed the alien appetites. They had a choice of making a clean break with the +aliens or at least of telling the people or of continuing the cover-up. They +chose not to. The alien threat is the single major factor in the attempt to +unify and harmonize nations of the earth. The threat is not only from those who +are already present on the earth in their bases, but also from craft that have +been recognized as being on their way to earth. To stop this cooperative +effort, there are certain elements attempting to stir up heavy conflicts in +certain areas, particularly to bring down Gorbachev and his reforms. These are +being influenced by the aliens, through their agents. There are many people who +have been implanted with chips over the years and they are being activated now. +It doesn't appear there is sufficient energy behind the the alien endeavor at +this time, however. The money supply for the aliens which has been extorted +from governments and government agencies is gradually diminishing. It's being +cut off and is hindering the construction and development of many of their +projects and plans. This has weakened them. There is a hidden war in progress, +but one that is not highly charged. It is on a level of quiet competition +between the aliens and the governments of the world. But there are certain +elements of humans that are working hand in hand with the aliens trying to help +regain control of the governments which the aliens once controlled. Within +Cooper's material, there is a reference to the Fatima prophecy, being that +which aliens pulled out of the future. The aliens claim to have the ability see +into the future and have helped bring about this apparition. Before the aliens +revealed it, a longstanding theory by this government was that the unreleased +third Fatima prophecy dealt with a nuclear war and its aftermath. This prophecy +was kept hidden from the people. What was not revealed, however, was that the +alien situation was directly linked to this nuclear war prophecy. In truth, the +aliens were hoping to contribute to instability on this earth so that nuclear +war would come. It was their intention to bring about enough devastation on the +earth so as to make the planet easily conquerable, while still retaining some +degree of human life to serve them as slaves. With their technologies, they can +eliminate radioactive contamination. They planned to inhabit the remains of the +earth without any threat of human domination. But the scenario of the Fatima +prophecies is in no way preordained. Rather, it was a timetable of the alien +plans to conquer the earth. It was scheduled to begin in February 1990, but it +was not written in stone. It was simply the intention of the aliens to begin +then. At that time, it was intended by the aliens that the information about +them be released by the government so that humans would be prepared to accept +the inevitable outcome. They had hopes of triggering the exchange of nuclear +weapons -- preferably in the Middle East where people are expecting Armageddon +to begin -- and then suddenly stop the escalation with their own technology. +They would then pass themselves off as divine beings and bring forth the +Millennium. There are certain efforts which are being attempted at present to +use the Book of Revelation to create the appearance of a coming Messiah. This +timetable for the Armageddon/Second Coming scenario has been dashed recently by +the lessening of the threat of nuclear war. It was at a fever pitch in the +early and mid-1980s, but has since died down. The aliens have, in effect, +missed that window of opportunity. The people are not now expecting a nuclear +war and the Fatima timetable is of little use to the aliens. But they have not +abandoned it. It has simply been shifted to begin around 1992. The government +believes, however, that the people will not accept this scenario as being true. +Many have been conditioned by the Book of Revelation into believing that they +will be rescued, but for the most part people will not believe it and will +assume it is in fact, one of the false prophet Biblical scenarios predicted +before the actual Second Coming. There is a strong potential that during this +decade the aliens and humans will clash in combat over domination of the earth. +There is a potential that this could be covert, but it may become overt. The +possibility of reconciliation is growing more remote as the aliens seem less +ready to negotiate a situation in which coexistence can occur. It should not to +be ruled out, however. Pressures are now being put on the aliens which may lead +to a more conciliatory stand. This following information been deemed unsuitable +for the public at this time and there have been and will be more killings to +keep such information secret. There is a threat of an invasion of 30 million or +more reptilian aliens which control of the Greys. There are smaller numbers of +smaller ships heading this way, but nothing compared in size to the small +planetoid that is heading toward this planet, which is approximately the size +of the state of Pennsylvania. It does not travel at above light speed as do +other craft because it is so enormous and holds so many aliens. It passed near +the planet in 1989, dropped off some reptilian aliens and headed out to the +Draco constellation in early summer of 1989. The timetable for the arrival back +to earth is approximately 2020, depending on what may happen near Draco. The +Hubble Telescope has as its primary mission the task of tracking the return of +the craft. The base in Dulce, New Mexico now has 100,000 aliens living within +it at this time. Another 100,000 more have moved through the Dulce Base to +other bases. The aliens continue to enter the earth at a rate of 20,000 per +month. The base at Ada, Oklahoma is still very active. The recent floods +artificially created and allowed there were an attempt to slow and hinder +activities there. The aliens are attempting to move their entire planetary +population from their dying planet as quickly as possible, prior to the arrival +of the Draco reptilians. Presently, the assessment of those in the inner +circles who are dealing with the alien invasion threat is that the Reptilians +have every intention of ruling this planet. There are many who feel that the +aliens have such a high technology that they cannot be defeated. The next +potential scenario in relation to the expected invasion is the release by the +government of of the information relating to the Grays and their earth bases, +but releasing it in such a way that is favorable to the government. Claims will +be made that any other version is but that of troublemakers. If the release of +information comes before 1996, and especially if it occurs prior to 1995, you +can be correct in assuming it is staged by the government to set up the +atmosphere for a One World government. If it is held off until 1996 or +thereafter, you can assume the information released is real and that the +Reptilian ship is heading this way and poses a real threat. The Draco +Reptilians do not really need the earth. They have more room than they need to +grow and thrive. They simply want the earth as a kind of strategic point in +their battle to conquer the entire galaxy. The Pleiadeans may return by 1993, +and you would know them by their ships, which have the symbol of a serpent +climbing a vine. The symbol for the Reptilians is a dragon. The Grey's symbol +is a cobra. There is also a potential for martial law occurring in this +country, in which many of those troublemakers, who hold to the story that the +government was involved with the aliens in the abduction of humans, would be +rounded up and imprisoned along with many who have been implanted because of +potential threats to this country's security. People who are releasing this +information are not fully out of danger just because many people know about it. +You may recall that in China, just about everyone knew what occurred in +Tiananmen Square, and yet today, you will not find anyone in China who will +talk about it. There is now an open window in which people can talk, spread the +word, discuss it, show the videos and photographs. The more that occurs now, +before a martial law crackdown, the more chance there is of having the truth +come out. Once that window is closed, if enough people are not already +informed, the information could still be curtailed and hidden. At present, only +2 to 3 percent of the United States population has half of the story and only +one half percent has the full story. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1179.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1179.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..23638bc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1179.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +SUBJECT: VATICAN STORY DEBUNKED FILE: UFO1179 + + +SPECIAL RELEASE: PARANET +MEMBER DEBUNKS VATICAN STORY + + ParaNet Alpha 12/05 -- Contrary to a published story, there is no +evidence that the Vatican has any plans to send missionaries into space to +convert extraterrestrials to Catholicism, says a respected UFO researcher. + + The story, which originally appeared in the London _Evening News_ in +July, claimed that a Fr. Pierre Thorel of the Vatican University had set +up a program to train missionaries to preach the Gospel to any aliens that +may be encountered in space ventures. The story was later sent to the UFO +Newsclipping Service by British Ufologist Timothy Good. + + But John Andrews, Vice President of Testors Corporation and a Para- +Net member in San Diego, says the story is bogus. "I contacted the editor +of a regional Catholic Magazine," says Andrews, "who contacted the Cathol- +ic Media Office in New York." + + "They had heard of the story. Apparently there is no Fr. Pierre +Thorel, there is no new Chair at the Alfonsian Academy in Rome, and there +is no effort to develop 'missionaries in space.'" + + Andrews, a pro-UFO researcher whose stated goal is to market the +first authorized plastic model of a genuine flying saucer, says the story +had him fooled as much as anyone. "I, too, was taken in...but only for a +little while. + + "It proves the reason to verify whatever we hear." + +<<>> + +Copyright 1987 National Fringe Sciences Information Service + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1180.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1180.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..66606aa3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1180.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +SUBJECT: VESCO & GERMAN UFO RESEARCH FILE: UFO1180 + + + + VESCO.TXT + by + Al Pinto + + +We, because of the infinitesimal size of the Universe, can quite easily say that the probability of the Earth being the only planet inhabited by intelligent beings is not logical. However, while there is research going on today inorder to prove the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) by listening in on the radio waves of space, I wonder; have we been contacted already? Is there something in the UFO phenomenon that proves the existence of extraterrestrials? Let's look at the facts. + +Thousands of people from all around the world report the sightings of strange aerial phenomenon every year. It has been going on for many years, but not as much as from 1947 to present. Due to the fact that so many people have seen objects in the sky that they can't identify, we could at least admit that there is sufficient reason to believe that UFO's exist. We can't scientifically prove their existence just based on that fact but we can't ignore it either. So our next logical step would be to get more data. + +Is the origin of all UFO's extraterrestrial? Is there a possibiliy that at +least some may come from Earth and Earth technology? The answer to that question is yes, some are Earth originated. People can easily mistake a plane or helicopter flying at night as a UFO and have already. Some even thought that Venus was one. However, while most UFO's could be explained, there are an astonishing number of reports that cannot. They include reports from people such as police chiefs, scientists, pilots, and most interestingly, astronauts. There is plenty of information publically available that is reputable about details of their encounters. Our next step should be to concentrate on these unexplainable sightings. Out of these, is it still possible that the object could come from Earth? Dr. Renato Vesco thought so. In his book Intercept UFO, he writes about his experience and information with Nazi Germany. I am going to include a paper written by him but first let me tell you his credentials. + + Renato Vesco is a fully liscensed aircraft engineer and a specialist in aerospace and ramjet developements. He attended the University of Rome and, before WWII, studied at the German Institute for Aerial Developement. During the war, Vesco worked with the Germans at the Fiat Lake Garda secret installations in Italy. In the 1960's, he worked for the Italian Air Ministry of Defense as an undercover technical agent, investigating the UFO mystery. + He writes: + +"On November 27, 1944, a B-27 of the United States Air Force, returning from a raid on Speyer, West Germany, encountered a huge, orange colored light moving upward at an estimated speed of 500 MPH. When the pilots reported, sector radar had reported negatively, because nothing had registered on the screen. + +But the object seen by the returning bomber was only the first of numerous others spotted by American pilots over wartime Germany and promptly baptized 'foo-fighters.' Fighter pilots Falls and Backer. of the 415th Squadron, reported such an encounter a month later forcing the Air Force to admit that such objects might exist. Later encounters with foo fighters led experts to assume they were German inventions of a new order employed to baffle radar. + +How close they came to the truth, they learned only when the war was over and Allied Intelligence teams moved into the secret Nazi plants. The foo-fighters seen by American pilots were only a minor demonstration, a +fraction of a vast variety of methods used to confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents. Work on the German anti-radar Feurball, or fireball, had been speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe experimental center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were produced. Later, when the Russians moved closer to Austria, the workshops producing the fireballs were moved to Black Forest. Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with kliston tubes and operating on the same frequency as Allied radar, could eliminate the blips from screens and remain practically invisible to ground control. + +The Nazi Feurball failed to interfere with the Allied air offensive. The foo fighters had been launched too late and could no longer change the course of events, but in themselves they were significant not only because they were the outcome of a technical evolution which could have led to more dangerous weapons, but also because they showed that Nazi technology had moved in a direction far beyond anything expected by Allied Intelligence. + +As the fall of Germany approached, the Nazi Leaders reverted to an ambitious project created by Gauleiter Franz Hofer who had become high commissioner for the Italian Tyrol and the Southern Alps. The project foresaw setting up an incredible fortress in the mountains, including parts of Italy, Austria and Bavaria. Hofer submitted his plan to Hitler's aide, Martin Bormann in November 1944, but he had prepared for this moment back in 1938 when Nazi agents carefully mapped all mountain passes, caves, bridges, highways, and located sights for underground factories, munitions dumps, arms and food caches. To complete work on this fortress, Hofer demanded a slave labor force of a quarter of a million- 70% Austrian workers and 30% men of the Tyrolese home guard. + +So-called U-Plants were to be set up underground as gigantic workshops and launching pads for the secret weopons which were to turn the tide of the war in favor of the Nazis. Among these were some 74 tunnels along Lake Garda, in Northern Italy, which were to be adapted and transformed into a vast assembly plant by FIAT of Turin in close collaboration with the department of Minister Albert Speer. Seven other tunnels along Lake Garda, near Limone, were to produce several weapons tested at the Hermann Goering Institute of Riva del Garda. + +According to the archives of the German High Command and of the Allied Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, other plants in vital areas of Central Germany, code named M-Werke, were to produce powerful missles such as the giant A.9/A.10 destined to destroy New York and Washington. But most important was the Alpine area, for it was from there that the supreme weapons were to come. + +This report, never released by the Allies, was made by a French diplomat. It was forwarded to Free French Intelligence Headquarters at Algiers. The top secret report reffered to the blue clouds as something approaching anti-aircraft projectiles based on the grisou (fire damp) gas found in mines, and which had been succesfully tried against other bombers over Lake Garda. The French report was intercepted by Italian agents and deciphered at SID (Italian Counter-Intelligence) Headquarters at Castiglione della Stiviere. The message was later captured by a military intelligence team operating for the eighth Army in Italy. + +The contents of the message was no novelty to the Allies. Already, some time ago, shortly after the bombing of Dresden, British and American intelligence had obtained a brief account concerning the use of some such weapon used against a group of twelve American bombers. That message, which came from an agent in Switzerland attached to Allen Dulle's team, also stated the attacker had been a "strange hemispherical object which flew at fantastic speeds and destroyed the bombers without using firearms.' + +Then, after the German surrender in May, 1945, a team of British agents, investigating the files of some of the underground factories in Black Forest, discovered that a large number of documents concerned 'important experiments made with liquid oxygen for new turbine engines capable of developing extraordinary power.' + +Other documents described the use of 'gaseous explosives' which had been originally tested in Austria in 1936. Their existence was later confirmed by the ALSOS Mision and by Dr. Hans Friedrich Gold, of the Laboratory for Aeronautical Research at Volkenrode. The ejection of gas explosives had been part of the program tackled by researchers on Lake Garda and later tested with success by the circular flying object against Allied bombers. +This object, in German military files, already had an operational name: 'Round Lightning' (Kugelblitz) + +Long and close observation between the special Air Research Corps of the SS, Austrian research centers in Vienna, the Hermann Goering Works and the vast complex of underground G-Works had previously produced amazing improvement on the fireball or foo-fighter which, despite it's anti-radar effectiveness, remained comparatively harmless. But by combining the principle of the aircraft with a round, symetrical plane with direct gyroscopic stabilization, employing an ejector-gun using grisou and a gelatinous organic/mettalic fuel for a total reaction turbine, adding remote control, vehicle take off, infrared seeking equipment and electrostatic firing systems, the harmless fireball became the lethal Kugelblitz! + +Believe me, I can prove what I say. The Kugelblitz, to be on the safe side, employed, in addition to it's electrostatic firing system, a similar system based on short waves and built by the Patent Verwertungs Gesselschaft of Salzburg, Austria. The whole thing formed one compact, round mass which had absolutely nothing in common with any flying object ever produced before. + +In documents found by British Intelligence teams and submitted to the British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee-documents which I have been able to study-these and many other details are known. They can be found in the Sub-Committee's Final Report Number 61 on the 'Weapons Section of the L.F.A., Volkenrode.' + +Kugelblitz, together with it's "younger brothers of the fireball, lens shaped bomb and other weapons, began the real history of the UFO's. In itself, it was a second generation fireball. + +The 'round lightning' weapon, the incredibly fast and mysterious disk-shaped craft that had been rumored and sighted in action, was used only once. As the Allied forces crossed the Rhine, the only craft of it's type was destroyed by th SS on instructions from Berlin, to prevent it's capture. But ever since, due to the severe censorship imposed by 'T' force of the British Army in Germany, and later, thanks to the complete blackout imposed by London, nothing more was heard of Round Lightning. + +I know that agents of the 'T' force camp at Bad Gandersheim closely examined the documents found in the G-Works, documents which had been elaborated by the technical general staff of the SS and by technical control of the Henshel and Zeppelin works. These documents concern the propulsion unit of the Kugelblitz prototype built by the Kreislaufbetrieb Motor D.W. in 1943 for the F.F.K.F. (Forschungsinstitut for Kraftfhart and Fahzeugmotoren) at Stuttgart-Untertuerkheim and perfected by proffessors Kamm and Ernst. The British called this motor an 'oxygen recycle system.' It was later abandoned in favor of the Walter turbine, powered by hydrogen peroxide. The documents found discussed the possibility of using both systems in a compound-type propulsion unit. + +To these basic facts, I must add: A mass of documents and equipment were taken by British 'T' teams to Bedford and then to Canada and Australia. + +In a certain sense, the British were more intelligent than the Americans, for they permitted German scientists to complete their work in Germany on the sight where they had worked all through the war-only, of course, under close supervision. This happened at Darmstadt and Goettingen. Later on, these installations were dismantled and shipped to Britain. The Transport Service of the British Ministry of Aviation discreetly shipped the scientists and documents to Britain, Canada and Australia, in successive phases. Lists of the scientists to be sent overseas had been compiled in the spring of 1944 by the B.I.O.S. and formed separate and specialized teams. + +One such team, composed of Proffessor Ben Lockspeiser and W.J. Richards, Dr. S.H. Hollingdale and Captain A.D. Green, handled 'advanced projects, missles, jet and turbine craft.' Another, including T.A. Taylor and M.A. Wheeler, investigated German advances in the field of Thermo-refraction. Another team, which obtained the services of Dr. Ernst Westermann, former director of the F.D.R.P. Institutes of Speyer and Saarbrucken, concentrated on the fireball projects. + +The then Ministry of Aircraft Production, similar to the German wartime Jaegerstab, ceased to exist officially on March 31, 1946, amd became part of the Ministry of Supply. In the years that followed, these teams, and especially the experts headed by Professor Lockspeiser, worked on a multitude of German projects, adapting these to their own experiments in the field of 'suction' wings and on the work of two German scientists during the war, Professors Prandtl and Busemann, to develope a high speed fighter in which the air intake along the wings was discharged through a half-moon-shaped crescent along the fuselage in order to both drive and support the vehicle at high speeds. + +This research comes to mind when one remembers the incident of January 3, 1956. A cessna, employed on a job of aerial photography near Pasadena, encountered three circular flying objects which circled it at a speed of 1600 mph and at a distance of two miles. One of these objects, in suddenly breaking away from the formation, gave off a long, vaporous trail as it sped through a cumulous cloud, cutting the cloud in two. 'Exactly as if it had sucked up the cloud.,' the Cessna pilot exclaimed later. + +Back in 1946, the British Broadcasting Corporation announced that Britain 'would soon have aircraft capable of speeds well over 1000 mph, that, according to some experts, such craft had already been built and that, in the near future, they could circumnavigate the globe several times because they needed only fuel for take off and landing..' Other British sources mentioned aircraft capable of speeds of several thousand miles an hour. + +More than twenty years have passed since the otherwise so-eminently-careful BBC boasted of 'Britain's planes of the future,' and officially these aircraft still remain little more than a dream. And yet, did not Ben Lockspeiser, the man who was in charge of the most responsible 'T' teams, declare that 'such craft would need no fuel?' Did he not imply that such craft would gain their own propellant from the atmosphere by suction and expulsion? + +On June 26, 1953, an intensely luminous flying object majestically crossed the night sky of Albacete, Spain, at an altitude of 60 miles. In Britain, scientific papers produced by members of the 'T' teams showed suggestive titles such as 'Boundary Layer Flow Over a Permeable Surface Through Which Suction is Applied' (J.H. Preston), 'The Aerodynamics of Porous Sheets' by G.J. Taylor, and Pankhurst's Aerofoil Catalogue. + +In 1959, aeronautical engineer N.S. Currey wrote: 'Canada today must be counted among the most advanced aeronautical powers in the world,' and added cautiously, 'This refers above all to the field of jet propulsion.' + +The Canadian Department of Mines and the Technical Surveys Mapping Branch reserved a vast area-125,000 square miles-for production of experimental aircraft. This was one of the decisions reached by the committees of the Commonwealth Conference on Aeronautical Research. This desolate, heavily woooded and mountainous region between British Columbia and Alberta, with the Peace River district as it's Northern frontier and Washington State to the South, was an ideal location-few and easily controlled roads, few settlements, few railroads, but good communications in the north and the south via the trunk line from Prince George to Edmonton and that from Vancouver to the United States border, and only one major highway, te Alaska. + +Britain already had considerable wartime experiance in this sort of enterprise. In 1942, at the height of the German raids, the RAF had set up five secret airports in the very heart of the New Forest, in Hampshire. The big thing about these installations was the fact that they included complete industrial plants, decentralizing major groups essential for war production. They were called 'shade workshops.' The Germans, too, had much experience in this field. One of their major plants at Volkenrode resisted all attempts at aerial identification throughout the war. + +Neither the British nor the Americans, on an official level, saw eye to eye in scientific matters at the close of the war against Germany and afterward. The United States' refusal to share atomic secrets with Britain was never quite forgotten in Whitehall, and Britain set out to prove, with Canada, that she was well able to produce her own fission bomb. If Congress steadfastly accused the British of giving little or nothing in return for information, the British felt they had been mistrusted and severely neglected. They preferred to go ahead with their plans in Canada. + +The fact that the area has been photographed again and again by high altitude reconnaissance planes, both U.S. and Russian, does not perturb the Canadian or British authorities. The plants and saucer ports are underground, hidden in primeval forests of Columbia. + +The question immediately arises: Why have not Britain and Canada made such craft available to their other partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? I believe there may be many answers to such a question, but one of the main points is this: Lack of confidence and fear of being exploited remain rife among the nations, as they are among people. And why should not Britain and her Commonwealth partner retain one major trump card which, one day, may become invaluable? The pooling of scientific secrets is rarely entirely sincere. + +All the evidence, all the know how of British scientists before and during the last war, combined with the astounding progress in propulsion and the discoveries in suction aircraft of the Germans, based on 18 years of research into the most secret documents of the past war, have convinced me of one thing: The flying saucers do not come from space. They come from a few hundred miles outside the United States. They mean no harm, and Washington knows this. Hence the long standing order to all U.S. Air Force pilots: Intercept--but do not fire upon." + +This article, which appeared in Argosy Magazine in August, 1969, is reprinted above in it's entirety. It is important because it is one of the few reports that goes into detail about the revolutionary technical advancements made by the Nazi's in the field of aeronautical research. +Unfortunately, Vesco doesn't offer any real substantiation for the existence of the Kugelblitz, which is the crux of his subject. However, in his book Intercept, UFO, he tells us that the Kugelblitz was indeed tested some time in February, 1945 over the great underground complex at Kahla, in Thuringia. Both the Kugelblitz and the Feurball were then destroyed by the retreating S.S. + +So, could this story be considered fact? We have to take into consideration a number of issues. First and foremost, there is the Nazi's. +Could they have been developing craft of such advancement? History has it that not only were they at war, which required much in the way of manpower, but they took on incredible projects such as constructing huge underground complexes at Nordhausen in the Harz mountains, Pennemunde and others. They also had their Naval Vessals provide support for a very detailed study of the Antartic in which they were alleged to have been building underground bases there as well. + +General Heinrich Himmler, the Reichsfuhrer as his S.S. men would call him, was quite frankly, a madman. He believed in obediance, controlled breeding and vivisection of homans. He believed in biological mutation and what could be produced with it. He used the slaves for his work force, as well as specimens for research. + +Let's discuss this possibility more in the message boards in Paranet and the UFO echos. I am starting to get quite tired of the theory that UFO's and related matters, are extraterrestrial. It is being shoved down our throats by figures like "Falcon" and "Condor" as well as articles in Paranet like MUGGER.DOC and PICNIC2.DOC. As a matter of fact, that is about all I hear anymore. It seems that since we want to hear about EBE's, the so-called, Intelligence Community, is giving us just what we want to hear. + +I call on each and every person in the UFO community to research, in debth, HUMAN history. In particular, great scientists such as, Tesla and his experiments; Einstein's theories; Germany's secret weapons of the Second World War by R. Lusar; the Philadelphia Experiment; Admiral Byrd's Project Highjump; books and periodicals about Nazi Germany and their interest in Antartica; then tell me that the possibility of technology (Earth Technology) could not possibly exist that could explain UFO's and the reason why it is above top secret. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1181.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1181.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a0dc9eab --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1181.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +SUBJECT: ED. FROM VICKI COOPER OF UFO MAGAZINE FILE: UFO1181 + + +Feb. 7, 1989 + +In a manner like no other civilian field of endeavor with heavy geopolitical +overtones, UFO research is a mine field of covert operations by agencies +connected with the government and military powers. In the 40-plus years +Americans have been aware of the phenomenon, "Big Brother's" hand has +effectively stymied the free flow of dependable, factual information on +UFOs and has managed to keep whatever evidence it has deeply hidden. + +Shielded by the worn-out canard of "national security," members of an +"invisible government" maneuver undetected throughout the UFO community. In +that sense, ufology reflects the wider use of secrecy measures which are +usually inappropriate, often illegal and always antithetical to what most of +us would consider an open, principled democracy. But the distinction of +Ufology--which is already an offbeat underground of sorts--is its readymade +cushion of myth and propaganda, backed by an atmosphere of debunkery and +ridicule, which makes the so-called "cover-up" a more-or-less natural +extension of prevailing cultural attitudes about the phenomena. + +Legitimate interest and research in UFO/alien _facts_ remain the purview of +a hardy and courageous and very tiny minority. The lack of legitimizing +efforts by mainstream science and media leaves ufology endlessly "out in the +cold," where decent investigators find themselves in a sea polluted with +manipulators, hoaxsters and charlatans, and no directional guide on how to +detect the "agents among us." Since the days of NICAP's overwhelming +infiltration by CIA elements, the discovery of Blue Book as little more than +hype, and the official stonewalling that still greets any sincere +questioning of government agencies by citizenry, the dangers of covert world +have only increased. + +That danger is bolstered by the forth estate, when it comes to UFOs, not +minimized or exposed: UFO is still a subject which few journalists can +report on with a straight face and in a serious tone of voice. Without +grounded facts, the UFO phenomenon in general inspires false hopes and a +range of fanciful speculations, but little real reflection and fact +gathering. Why? + + 1. The phenomenon itself operates on the principle of deception and + secrecy. + + 2. Those who study the phenomenon tend to gravitate toward + information that supports their pet theories and will shut out most + anything else. + + 3. Ufology tends to be a petty "in-crowd" prone to fragmentation + and dissent. + + 4. The covert forces ensure that ufology remains in a state of + fragmentation and dissent. + + 5. The covert forces infiltrate the field, manipulate its members + and exploit valuable research and case material to suit their own + purposes. + +And finally, the covert forces overlay the UFO community with less- +than-honorable counterintelligence "games" designed to fulfill several +purposes at once, not the least of which appears to be the implementation of +psychological warfare against vulnerable UFO researchers and witnesses. + +I believe that the Billy Meier case, the Gulf Breeze events, the "Lear +material" and the entire MJ-12 imbroglio have to some degree or another been +examples of covert action by factions in the intelligence community with an +accent on counterintelligence. With MJ-12 in particular, the scent of "red +herring" and expert manipulation and diversion is POWERFUL. + + I have very little to prove the above allegations. Let's just say + my intuitive self refuses to let go of this semi-paranoid + scenario. + + Paranoia is justified in today's world. + + One last note: the "covert forces" just may be BOTH alien and + human! + + + +- Vicki Cooper, UFO Magazine + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1182.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1182.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e940fe8d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1182.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +SUBJECT: NY VIGIL FOR "BIG GERTHA" 11/88 FILE: UFO1182 + + +[From the Daily Record, Morristown, NJ -- Sunday, Nov. 20, 1988. The +Hudson Valley UFO -- a.k.a. "Big Bertha" -- is reputed not to be confined +to New York's Hudson Valley, thus the interest in Western New Jersey and +Pennsylvania, where very similar sightings have occurred around the +Delaware River and the Picatinny Arsenal. This article says more about the +local interest in N.J. than it does about the in-depth reporting and +editing skills of the A.P., unfortunately. Also, the tone is rather arch. +Any comments from Mssrs. Imbrogno, Gersten, Conti, Toscano, et al? +-- Submitted by Clark Matthews.] + + +UFO Watchers Scan Rural Skies ... and Wait. + +By David Bauder + +A.P. + +PINE BUSH, N.Y. -- Clouds quickly fill the night sky, obscuring a nearly +full moon. It's not a good night to find Whatever's Out There. + +Still, a half-dozen people who've parked their cars on the shoulder of a +country in New York's Hudson Valley crane their necks to scan the sky. +This is supposedly a prime area for spotting UFO activity, but the only +things visible on the cool autumn evening are airplanes banking into nearby +airports. + +Peter Gersten waits suspiciously. The silver-bearded lawyer believes 99 +percent of supposed UFO sightings are easily explainable, despite the +vanity license plates on his Porsche that read UFOSREAL. He's devoted +hundreds of hours to wresting UFO documents from the government in court. + +Most UFO watchers are more patient than the federal government. The U.S. +Air Force canceled its surveillance program, Project Blue Book, on Dec. 17, +1969, almost five months after the Apollo 11 astronauts landed on the moon. +Dr. Edward U. Condon of the University of Colorado recommended that the +program come to an end after years of unconvincing research. But UFO +searchers persist. Victoria Lacas waits expectantly. She's mad because +most people abducted by aliens are unwilling victims, and she'd be more +than happy to submit herself to experiments. + +Linda Doern waits calmly. Linda and her husband, Peter, both real estate +appraisers, admit to being fascinated by psychic and other unexplained +phenomena. An evening in Pine Bush, she jokes, "beats watching +television." + +Ellen Crystall waits excitedly. The self-described UFO photographer is the +guardian of the field, where she claims to have seen aliens and dozens of +unexplained lights. She's driven to this field from her New Jersey home +hundreds of times since 1981 in the hope of making contact again. + +"You missed it, Ellen," Gersten tells Crystall when her car pulls up a +half-hour later than expected. "The mother ship was here. There used to +be several more of us waiting." + +Crystall dismissed the joke and checks the sky. It doesn't bode well. The +aliens, whom she suspects are building an underground base in the Hudson +Valley, don't seem to like clouds or rain, she says. + +Whatever the reason, strange sightings seem commonplace in the Hudson +Valley. Hundreds of people -- not just those who go out looking for them +-- have seen things in the sky that can't be explained, says Philip +Imbrogno, author of "Night Siege: The Hudson Valley UFO Sightings." + +These sightings caused a sensation in 1983 and 1984 in this area of New +York City suburbs and farmland, stretching into western Connecticut. +Reports have been less frequent since then, but still steady, Imbrogno +says. + +Most, if not all, can be easily explained, says Jeff Lehman, spokesman for +the nearby Stewart International Airport. He says a group of pilots, whose +identities are not known, enjoy fooling UFO fanatics by flying in close +formation many evenings. It's not illegal, but it's annoying, he says. + +"I don't see scaring people with aircraft as a game," he says. + +Crystall believes. She says she saw something unusual at the cornfield off +Searsville Road, 20 miles from Middletown, soon after she was first taken +there by a magazine writer. + +Gazing over a distant treeline while alone at the field one night, she +spotted what appeared to be a craft drifting slowly to the ground. After +seeing something flutter, almost like a moth, she shined a spotlight into a +wooded area. She says she saw a 3-1/2-foot-tall creature with a beige body +and huge yellow eyes staring back at her. + +"This thing had a worried look on its face and it totally threw me off," +Crystall says. "I was panic-stricken. I could not utter a sound." + +The blonde music student claims to have taken 800 photographs of UFOs. She +says she holds no grudges against people who don't share her beliefs but +confides, "I try to avoid them." + +At a restaurant 20 minutes from Searsville Road, Crystall's friends passed +the time waiting for dusk to turn to darkness. Ignoring quizzical looks +from a waitress, they discussed landmarks in UFO history with the sort of +insider's lingo that renders the conversation meaningless to anyone else. + +Gersten, who has set up a hotline telephone number for UFO fanatics to keep +up on the gossip, says he enjoys the mystery and glamour of UFOs. + +"It seems like we're prisoners on this planet and we've lost the ability to +explore," says Gersten, who fixes companions with a penetrating stare. +Most people accept that UFOs exist, he says, "because we simply can't be +the only people in the universe." + +But he dismisses most reports of unexplained lights in the Hudson Valley. +Most sightings are probably conventional airplanes, he says, adding that he +has offered a reward for the mysterious group of pilots to come forward and +identify themselves. + +Gersten belongs to the "government conspiracy" camp of UFO followers, +believing that secret military technology is being tested in the skies. + +"Imagine a civilization 10,000 years more advanced than us," says the New +York City lawyer. "Do you think they'd come here in spaceships?" + +Yes, opines Lacas, because they want to investigate the inhabitants of +Earth. The legal assistant and flower-child holdover is fascinated by the +current UFO furor over abductions, during which people are supposedly +"beamed up" by aliens for a quick examination. + +For the Doerns, all aspects of the paranormal are fascinating. There's a +lot more going on in the world than meets the naked eye, Linda says, but +she understands why most people look at UFOs and psychic phenomena with +abundant skepticism. + +"There are a lot of strange people involved in it," she says. "I think it +discredits it for a lot of people. It turns a lot of people off. I think +you have to look beyond them and not let it deter you." + +With the airport and a unit of the Air National Guard nearby, Crawford +police are used to getting calls about strange things in the sky. Police +have never seen any hard evidence of UFOs, but they don't always have an +easy explanation for what people insist they see, McCann says [sic -- I +assume a local cop -- sloppy editing, I'd say -- C.M.] + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1183.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1183.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..da808284 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1183.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +SUBJECT: E.A. WALKER EXCERPTS FROM "WHO'S WHO" FILE: UFO1183 + + +Who's Who In America : 43rd Edition : 1984-1985 : L-Z +----------------------------------------------------- + +-Excerpt on Walker, Eric Arthur. + + +WALKER, ERIC ARTHUR, consulting engineer, institute executive; +b. Long Eaton, Eng., Apr. 29, 1910; came to U.S., 1923, naturalized +1937; s. Arthur and Violet Elizabeth (Haywood) W.; m. L. Josephine +Schmeiser, Dec. 20, 1937; children; Gail (Mrs. Peter Hearn), Brian. +B.S.,Harvard U., 1932, M.S., 1933, Sc.D., 1935; LL.D., Temple U., +1957, Lehigh U., 1957, Hofstra Coll., 1960, Lafayette Coll., 1960, U. +Pa., 1960, U. R.I., 1962: L.H.D., Elizabethtown Coll., 1958;; D. +Litt., Jefferson Med. Coll., 1960; D.Sc., Wayne State U., 1965, Thiel +Coll., 1966, U. Notre Dame, 1968, U. Pitts., 1970. Registered profl. +engr., Pa. Instr. math. Tufts Coll., 1933-34, asst. prof., assoc. +prof. elec. engring., 1935-38, head elec. engring. dept., 1935-40, U. +Conn., 1940-43; assoc. dir. Harvard U. Underwater Sound Lab., 1942-45; +dir. Ordnance Research Lab., Pa. State U., 1945-52, head elec. engring +dept., 1945-51, dean 1951-56, v.p. univ., 1956, pres., 1956-70; v.p. +sci. and tech. Aluminum Co. Am., 1970-76; dir. Armstrong Cork Co.; +Salem Corp. Exec. sec. Research and Devel. Bd., 1950-51; cons. NRC, +1949-50; mem. and past chmn. com. on undersea warfare; chmn. Pres.'s +Com. on Tech. and Distbn. Research for Benefit of Small Bus., 1957; +mem. nat. sci. bd. NSF, 1962-68, chmn. nat. sci. bd., 1966-68; chmn. +Naval Research Adv. Com., 1963-65, 71-, Army Sci. Adv. Panel, 1956-58; +vice chmn. Pres.'s Co . Scientists and Engrs., 1956-58; adv. panel on +engring. and tech. manpower Pres.'s Sci. Adv. Com.; mem. Gov.'s Com. +of 100 for Better Edn., 1960-61; bd. dirs. Engring. Found.; chmn. bd. +Inst. for Def. Analyses. Contbr. to tech. mags. United bd. visitors +U.S. Naval Acad., 1958-60, U.S. Mil. Acad., 1962-64. Recipient Horatio +Alger award, 1959, Tasker H. Bliss award Am. Soc. Mil. Engrs., 1959; +Golden Omega award Am. Inst. E.E., and Nat. Elec. Mfg. Assn., 1962; +DoD Pub. Service medal, 1970; Presdl. citation, 1970. Fellow IEEE, Am. +Acoustical Soc., Am. Inst. E.E., Am. Phys. Soc.; mem. Am. Inst. +Physics., Am. Soc. Engring. Edn. (Lamme award 1965, pres. 1961-62), +Pa. Assn. Coll. and Univs. (pres. 1950-60), Middle States Assn. Colls. +and Secondary Schs. (commn. higher edn. 1958-61), Engrs. Joint Council +(pres. 1962-63), Nat. Assn. State Univs. and Land-Grant Colls. (exec. +com. 1958-62), Nat. Acad. Engring. (pres. 1966-70), Am. Acad. Arts and +Scis., Newcomen Soc., Royal Soc. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1184.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1184.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fdf0a2dc --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1184.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +SUBJECT: BIBLOGRAPHICAL INFO ON DR. ERIC A. WALKER FILE: UFO1184 + + + -------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Note: The following is a 3 page excerpt from the paper entitled, + "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT", which is co-authored by + researchers Grant Cameron and T. Scott Crain Jr. This brief + excerpt gives additional background information on Dr. Eric + Walker's professional activities during the last 60 yrs, along + with a short example of one of Dr. Walkers' initial responses + to correspondence from UFO researcher, William Steinman. + + - Tom Mickus <> + + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + Enter Dr. Eric A. Walker. Dr. Walker's name was deliberately + kept secret by a small group of investigators, the authors of this + paper included, in hopes that Dr. Walker would discuss his past + association with MJ-12, the research and development hierarchy they + directed, and the set of Top Secret meetings held at Wright Patterson + Air Force Base dealing with a recovered flying saucer. + + Researcher Stanton Friedman in speaking of Dr. Walker stated + "he has all the credentials" and Dr. Walker's credentials are indeed + impressive. Born in England in 1910, he received his B.S. degree in + Engineering in 1932, his M.B.A. degree in 1933 and D.Sc. degree in + 1935, all from Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. + + Dr. Walker taught mathematics and electrical engineering, and + for two years was chairman of the department of electrical engineering + at Tufts College. He then joined the University of Conneticut where + he taught electrical engineering and established courses for a special + war training program. + + Once the U.S.A. had entered WWII, Dr. Walker joined the Under- + water Sound Laboratory at Harvard University. He was promoted to + assistant director, and then associate director, where he was in + charge of ordnance weapons. Dr. Walker had studied the industrial + use of acoustics. These studies were applied to the homing torpedo, + which was successfully used against the German submarines. For his + work Dr. Walker was awarded the Naval Ordnance Development Award, and + also a Presidential Certificate of Merit. + + In 1944 Dr. Walker was a civilian with the Office of Scientific + Research and Development. In 1945 Dr. Walker was persuaded by the + Dean of Engineering at Penn State University to accept at Penn State, + the position of head of the department of electrical engineering. In + addition, the ordnance section of the Harvard Underwater Sound + Laboratory was transferred to Penn State, and became the Ordnance + Research Laboratory with Dr. Walker as director. + + This move involved moving most of the staff (200) and their + families, building a laboratory building and family housing. + + In 1951 Dr. Walker became Dean of Engineering and Architecture + where he directed the construction of a research reactor on the + campus. In 1956 Dr. Milton Eisenhower, then the President of Penn + State, named Dr. Walker as Vice-President. Part of Dr. Walker's job + would be to coordinate and stimulate research on the Penn State campus. + + Dr. Walker's term as Vice-President would actually be minus + two days as he became President before Vice-President because of + the resignation of Dr. Eisenhower who moved to John Hopkins University. + + In addition to his earned degrees, Dr. Walker has honorary + degrees from Temple, Lehigh, Hofstra, Lafayette College, University + of Pennsylvannia, University of Rhode Island, Elizabethtown College, + Jefferson Medical College, Wayne State University, Thiel College, + University of Notre Dame, and the University of Pittsburgh. + + Dr. Eric Walker wrote two prize papers for the AIEE, and + was inventor of the coliolithophone which is a device for the + acoustical detection of gallstones. + + Dr. Walker's awards include the Navy Distinguished Public + Service Awared; American Legion Distinguished Service Award; Fellow, + Institute of Radio Engineers; Benjamin Franklin Fellow; Fellow, + American Institute of Electrical Engineers; Fellow, Royal Society + of Arts (London); Fellow, American Physical Society; Fellow, American + Acoustical Society; Horatio Alger Award; Tasker H. Bliss Award of the + American Society of Military Engineers, Golden Omega Award of the + Electrical Insulation Industry; Lamme Award and honorary member from + the American Society for Electrical Education; the White House + Citation from President Nixon; and Department of Defense Distinguished + Public Service Medal. + + Dr. Walker's professional activities include: member of the + Army's Scientific Advisory Panel, member and chairman of the Naval + Research Advisory Committee, Vice-Chairman of the President's + Committee for Scientists and Engineers, member and former Chairman + of the National Research Council's Committee on Undersea Warfare, + Executive Secretary of the former Research and Development Board, + Chairman of the National Science Foundation's Committee for + Engineering; Chairman, Engineering College Research Council; + President, Engineers Joint Council; appointed in 1957 by President + Dwight Eisenhower as General Chairman of the Conference on Technical + and Distribution Research for the Benefit of Small Business; member + of the board of visitors, Naval Academy; member of the board of + visitors, U.S. Military Academy; trustee for the Institute for + Defense Analysis starting in 1958; elected to the chairman of the + board at IDA in 1981, retiring in 1986 to become Chairman Emeritus; + President Pennsylvania Association of Colleges and Universities; + member, Advisory Committee on Higher Education; member, Commission + on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges + and Schools: Vice-President and President of the American Society + for Engineering Education, Chairman National Science Board of The + National Science Foundation. + + Dr. Walker was one of the founding members of the National + Academy of Engineering. He served as Vice-President and President. + He was a member of the Board of the Engineering Foundation; member + of the board of trustees, Science Service; President, Commonwealth + Industrial Research Corp; Board of Directors, Mid-State Bank and + Trust Company; Board of Directors, Girard Trust Company; Board of + Directors, Westinghouse Air Brake Co.; Chairman, Board of Directors, + Melpar, Inc.; consultant on research and engineering to Koppers Corp., + Borg-Warner, Bendix Aviation, Hughes Aircraft, IBM, and others. + + Dr. Walker initiated the Conference on The Administration of + Research in 1947. He has published numerous articles in various + periodicals and co-authored a book entitled "The Physical Bases of + Electrical Engineering". Dr. Walker wrote a column for "The Center + Daily Times" in the early 70's. Dr. Walker directed a nation wide + study for the ASEE on the "Goals of Engineering Education." + + Dr. Walker's first reference to UFOs came in a speech he + made in 1969 at the Franklin Lectures (Approaching the Benign + Enviroment, Eric A. Walker, Franklin Lectures in the Science and + Humanities, First series, @1970 lectures April 1969 at Auburn U.) + + + "We will soon spend millions to probe the + atmosphere of Venus and Mars, while here + on earth it remains polluted with dust and + heat with which we cannot cope. Indeed it + may be a good thing that ships from another + planet are not sampling our atmosphere - the + conclusion might be that life cannot possibly + exist on earth." + + + Researcher William Steinman was not given Walker's phone + number by researcher Stanton Friedman, so his first attempt to + contact Dr. Walker came in the form of a letter, dated March 19, + 1984. He got a response, but not what he expected. Steinman + explained how Dr. Walker responded in a letter to Grant Cameron, + dated September 8, 1987. + + Steinman writes: + + "The answer to my correspondence was very strange; + it stated "STOP! DON'T TRY TO FIND ME I CAME ON + THAT MACHINE I WILL LEAVE MAY 15 ERGOT QUIET QUIET + QUIET." The above was typed on the lower portion + of my letter that I sent to Walker, as evidence by + my signature and "very sincerely yours." My return + address was cut from the upper portion of my own + letter to Dr. Walker and was taped to the front of + his stamped envelope to me!" + + + ------------------------------------------------------------------ + ------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1185.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1185.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4df5288d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1185.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +SUBJECT: STEINMAN INTERVIEWS WALKER 8/87 FILE: UFO1185 + + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Note: The following is an excerpt from Grant Cameron and T. Scott + Crain Jr.'s research paper entitled, "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE + GOVERNMENT". It is a transcript of a phone conversation. + I have personally spoken with Steinman, and received assurances + that Walker's replies are accurate. The transcript was made + within 10 minutes of the phone call, and was not taken from + an audio tape. + + - Tom Mickus <> 8/12/89 + + + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + --------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + This telephone interview took place on August 30, 1987 between + William Steinman of La Mirada, California, and Dr. Eric Walker + of State College, Pennsylvania. + + + Walker: Hello. + + Steinman: Hello...this is William Steinman of Los Angeles, + California. I am calling in reference to the meetings + that you attended at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base + in around 1949-1950, concerning the military recovery + of Flying Saucers, and bodies of occupants. + Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher (now deceased) related this to + me. You and Sarbacher were both consultants to D.R.B. + in 1950, you were secretary 1950-51. + + Walker: Yes, I attended meetings concerning that subject matter; + why do you want to know about that? + + Steinman: I believe it is very important subject. After all, we + we are talking about the actual recovery of a flying + saucer (spacecraft) not built or constructed on this + earth! And furthermore, we are talking about bodies of + the occupants from the craft who were analyzed human-like + beings not of this world! + + Walker: So...what's there to get all excited about? Why all the + concern? + + Steinman: I am not excited, just very concerned. Here we are + talking about a subject that the U.S. Government + officially denies, even going to the extent of actually + debunking the evidence and discrediting the witnesses. + Then you sit there and say, "What's there to get all + excited about?" and "why all the concern." + Dr. Vannevar Bush, Dr. D.W. Bronk, and others thought it + was very important and were concerned enough to classify + the subject ABOVE TOP SECRET, in fact the most highly + classified subject in the U.S. Government!! + Did you ever hear of the "MJ-12 Group" and there "Project + Majestic-12" which was classified as TOP_SECRET/MAJIC? + I have a copy of President elect D.D. Eisenhower's + briefing paper on that project, dated November 18, 1952. + + Walker: Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have known of them for 40 years. + I believe that you're chasing after and fighting with + windmills!! + + Steinman: Why do you say that? + + Walker: You are delving into a area that you can do absolutely + nothing about. So, why get involved with it or all + concerned about it? Why don't you just leave it alone + and drop it? Forget about it!! + + Steinman: I am not going to drop it. I am going all the way with + this!! + + Walker: Then...when you find out everything about it, what are + you going to do? + + Steinman: I believe that this entire matter has to be brought to + the public's attention. The people should know the + truth!! + + Walker: It's not worth it! Leave it alone!! + + Steinman: Can you remember any of the details pertaining to the + recovery operations and subsequent analysis of the + saucers and bodies? + + Walker: I am sure that I have notes concerning those meetings + at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. I would have to + dig them out and read them over in order to jog my + memory. + + Steinman: If I write you a letter, will you please answer in as + much detail as you can remember. Furthermore, could + you please xerox those notes for me and send me a copy? + + Walker: I might. At least I will keep your letter, will dig + out my notes, and contemplate answering. That's the + best I can say for now. + + Steinman: Well, Dr. Walker, I will write a letter as soon as + possible. Thanks for your valuable time. Good-bye. + + Walker: Goodbye. + + + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + ---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1186.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1186.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d7ec963f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1186.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,207 @@ + SUBJECT: MICKUS SPEAKS WITH WALKER 8/89 FILE: UFO1186 + + + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Note: The following is a transcript of a phone conversation between + Tom Mickus and Dr. Eric Walker which took place at approximately + 10:30am on the morning of August 11, 1989. One word of caution, + a transcript of course is not the same as hearing it first-hand. + Tone and emphases of speech are not reproduced here, nor are + things such as pauses between responses recorded. Therefore + those who read the following should be aware of such deficiencies + before coming to any conclusions. + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + + "Good morning, Dr. Walker's office." + + "Yes, would Dr. Walker be in?" + + "Yes he is, may I tell him who's calling?" + + "Yes, this is Tom Mickus phoning, I called yesterday." + + "Tom Mickus?" + + "Yes." + + "Okay, and what company are you with please?" + + "Actually I'm a university student." + + "Okay, just a minute please." + + "Thank you." + + (20 second pause) + + "Hello?" + + "Hello, Mr. Walker?" + + "Yep." + + "Yeah, my name is, allow me to introduce myself, my name is + Tom Mickus, I'm a university student here in Toronto, at the + University of Toronto. + + "Yep." + + "And I'm phoning from Toronto right now. I'm also a reporter + with a computer BBS network. And just recently, actually two + days ago, we came into possession of a just released + research paper. It was put out by researchers Grant Cameron + and T. Scott Crain. You may be familiar with them? The + subject matter is quite controversial. The report itself is + 180 pages and approximately 80 pages deal with yourself and + some of the reputed statements that you've made, etc. And + I'm just wondering if you'd be interested in making a comment + about the veracity of some of those statements. + + "I'm not sure I know what you're talking about." + + "Okay, well..." + + "Tell me a little bit more." + + "Yeah, do you remember corresponding with someone by the + name of William Steinman?" + + "No." + + "...from California." + + "No." + + "Or Scott Crain, he supposedly lives close to you there in + Pennsylvania?" + + "You know, I know nothing about this. I'm... Have you got + the right Walker, that's the problem . + + "Well, you're the former President of Penn State University?" + + "That's correct." + + "Yes, and you do have a very distinguished background I might + say, just from some of the material thats been released. So, I + guess assuming this is the right Walker, apparently you've + admitted to in the past when dealing with some of these + gentlemen, if you maybe forget them (now), about attending + Research & Development Board meetings in the early 50's, + back when you were a dollar-a-year man. Is that substantially + correct? + + "Well I, huh , the early 50's you know is many + years ago and I attended a lot of meetings. Which one was + this supposed to be? + + "I believe this was centered at the Wright-Patterson. + Apparently it was to deal with, sensational as it is, crashed + flying vehicles of some sort, UFOs if you want to say that. + And, like I say, I know its many years ago, but apparently + in a phone conversation with William Steinman, he has it down + that you admitted attending some of those meetings. Indeed, + it was the late Robert Sarbacher actually pointed you out as + the person who attended all of those meetings. Now I know + that's some 40 yrs ago now. Did you have any comment on that? + + "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings, but I can't + remember any substantive conclusions or anything like that. + + "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?" + + "As far as the what?" + + "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter of those + meetings?" + + "No, I couldn't remember that at all." + + "But, you're saying that it had nothing to do with UFOs or + alien bodies, or anything like this?" + + "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office, I can tell + you that." + + "Well, its quite extraordinary that this paper has come out, + right now its in limited circulation and due to the computer + network that I'm associated with, I've managed to obtain a + copy. And, like I say, approximately 80 pages deals with + material centered around yourself..." + + "Hmm." + + "...and, I'm just interested if you'd be interested in seeing + some of this, if I could come down and meet you for instance? + And you could see some of this stuff first-hand, and comment + on it." + + "Well, I don't think that would be very useful; you might + want to send it to me, and I'll see if it reminds me of + anything." + + "Un huh. I guess being, ..from my own disposition here with + the Network and stuff, I'd be interested in trying to get a + reaction about some of this because..if these authors have + engaged in a bit of a fantasy, well then I would like to + expose that." + + "What's the Network, I don't understand." + + "Its a fairly modest undertaking, but its a group of Bulletin + Board Systems linked up here in Canada and in the United + States, and that's something which I run, and this subject + matter is one of the things we primarily discuss. And so, + that's why I'd take the time to talk with you, and come visit + you if you wouldn't mind, and get a more in-depth response. + + "Well, you know , this sounds to me like an + awful waste of time and...if people want to diddle around + that way, I say let them diddle, but don't involve me." + + "Right..." + + "I just don't have time for such crap." + + "Now, just the fact that they spent so much time in this + paper...like I say, the paper is 180 pages, the title is + 'UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT', and...I mean would you + have any reaction as to why they would place you in that + context?" + + "Well I'll tell ya, I'll get interested when I see one of + of those little green men they talk about. Until they do, + I just couldn't spend any time on it." + + "So, therefore you deny ever having any relationship whatsoever + in your earlier government dealings with the discussion of UFOs + or alien bodies, anything like that, you deny that was part of + the Research & Development Board meetings and subsequent + activities that you may have been involved with?" + + " You know, you're just wasting your time and + money, and I'm sorry but I've got other things to do." + + "Okay, but if I could just get an on the record comment, + response from you on that, because I don't know, I think you + may be hearing more about this because if this thing gets + in wide circulation you may have other people knocking on + your door trying to get a reaction." + + "I don't have any reaction, I'm sorry." + + "Do you deny it?" + + "Thank you." + + "Mr. Walker..." + + + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1187.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1187.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8380bdde --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1187.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,210 @@ +SUBJECT: ARTICLE ON CAMERON/CRAIN PAPER - MICKUS FILE: UFO1187 + + ==================================================== + Note: The following article is to appear in this + month's issue of the CUFORN Bulletin. + ==================================================== + + + + In last month's _Bulletin_, Larry Fenwick + brought out some tantalizing details involving the + possible involvement of Dr. Eric Walker with the + study and analysis of a crashed UFO, with probable + alien occupants, during the early 1950's. Since + that article was published, more information has + come to light, particulary with the long awaited + publication of researcher's Grant Cameron and T. + Scott Crain Jr.'s "Preliminary Report Of The + Government's Involvement Into UFO Crash Retrievals" + entitled, "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT". This + research paper is now in limited circulation amongst + a handful of interested parties. I'm grateful that + the UFONET BBS Network was also sent a copy. I + have read it, and what follows is in part, both an + assessment, and a recap of some of the highlights. + Soon the paper will be ready for public distribution, + so it won't be long before you can read and assess + it for yourself. + + Dr. Eric Walker has an impressive background, + and one which would make even Stanton Friedman envious + of. He's listed in certain "Who's Who" type compendiums, + so a quick visit to the Library might be in order for + those of you wishing to see a chronological listing of + this man's accomplishments. Credit for "discovering" + him goes to Bill Steinman, co-author of "UFO Crash At + Aztec". It was in a phone conversation with the late + Dr. Robert Sarbacher (of Wilbur Smith memo fame), that + Steinman got the break he needed in order to crack the + identity of another one of those scientists who attended + the Research & Development Board meeetings in the early '50s, + within the time frame of the much hypothesized UFO + crash/retrievals which were said to have occurred back then. + + Sarbacher, not remembering the name, alluded to + a prominent individual from Pennsylvannia who, unlike + himself, attended all of the Research and Development + Board meetings held at Wright Field. Shortly thereafter, + in response to an inquiry by Steinman, he received a + letter from Fred Darwin, Executive Director of the Guided + Missile Committee for the Dept. of Defense's Research & + Development Board from 1949 to 1954. In the letter, six + names were listed as possible candidates for a "hypothesized" + Flying Saucer recovery operation. The list was composed in + early 1984, before the release of the controversial MJ-12 + documents. Five of the names matched names on the yet to + be released MJ-12 listing. One name didn't, that of Eric + Arthur Walker...the person who most definitely fit the + description given by Sarbacher. Later research revealed + that Walker was at one time the Executive Secretary for + the Research and Development Board during the time in question. + + Along with other influential positions held by + Walker, one of the most prominent, and secretive, concerns + his relationship with the "Institute for Defense Analysis", + of which Paul Dickson, author of "Think Tanks" had this to + say, "In the hierarchy of military tanks, none ranks higher + than the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA)." Walker + joined in 1958, and never looked back. He was elected + chairman to the IDA in 1981, and became Chairman Emeritus + in 1986, upon his official retirement. So, what is most + problematic when it comes to trying to get Walker to talk, + is that not only is this man privy to UFO secrets, but + countless military secrets as well, which in this instance + are no doubt viewed as one and the same. + + However, Walker is most vunerable when it comes to + his involvement in the early '50s, before the "security lid" + started to clamp down on this subject. From the Cameron/Crain + research paper, we learn little of what Walker's possible UFO + related activities were in the period after this, although + there is speculation. From their research, it is clear + that if Walker were to be involved in the aftermath of a UFO + crash, and possible U.S. government study thereof, he was in + the right places at the right times. Along with this, there + is the body of material, consisting of phone conversations and + letter exchanges, between Walker and certain UFO researchers, + the primary one being of course Steinman. + + Most damning, are Walker's admissions to Steinman (in a + phone conversation written down 10 minutes after the call) that + he knew of MJ-12. Says Walker, "Yes, I know of MJ-12. I have + known of them for 40 years. I believe that you're chasing after + and fighting with windmills!!". Along with this, its become + apparent that Walker is engaged in playing a most peculiar + "game" of some sort. One letter of Steinman's was returned + by Walker with this statement type-written at the end of his + letter, "STOP!DON'T TRY TO FIND ME I CAME ON THAT MACHINE I + WILL LEAVE MAY 15 ERGOT QUIET QUIET QUIET". Another letter + was returned with numerals inscribed on top of various letters + throughout. This is the so-called "code letter". Another + piece of documentary evidence, is the type-written letter by + Walker to Steinman, signed by Walker, describing how 4 alien bodies + were recovered, alive, from a downed UFO. However, this is so + sensationally written that + researchers Cameron and Crain have labelled this as a poor + attempt at disinformation...or perhaps a continuation of Walker's + "game" with the researchers. + + However, in the past year or so, Walker seems to have + have taken a new tact. Over the phone, he now denies _ever + even knowing who Steinman is_. This occured in a Dec/88 call + to Walker by Steinman. Walker had evidently clammed up, and + was now even trying to deny ever having dealt with Steinman, + let alone the allegations relating to his UFO involvement. Something + indeed strange is going on. Most recently, I learned that a + photo-copy of the original "code letter" was mailed to researcher + Scott Crain in a SASE Crain provided in a much earlier letter + sent to Walker. Evidently, the "game" has resumed. + + Crain received this in late August, after I had spoken + with Walker himself in a phone conversation on August 11th. + Although cordial throughout, Walker lived up to his billing as + both evasive in answering questions, and one who it seems, + experiences convenient memory loss. Witness the following + exchange, which took place mid-way through our phone conversation: + + + "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings, + but I can't remember any substantive conclusions + or anything like that." + + "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?" + + "As far as the what?" + + "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter + of those meetings?" + + "No, I couldn't remember that at all." + + "But, you're saying that it had nothing to with + UFOs or alien bodies, or anything like this?" + + "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office, + I can tell you that." + + + In his own limited conversations with Walker back in 1984, + Stanton Friedman referred to Walker as "cagey and careful", and + stated that "My reaction to how he answered the various questions + was that he knew a great deal". Five years later, I concur. + + Currently underway, researchers Cameron and Crain are + trying to enlist the aid of several media outlets, including some + within Pennsylvannia itself. Sadly, and not surprisingly, in the + hands of the media, their report is going nowhere fast. At this + point, most promising in this regard, is the involvement of a slick + on-campus magazine, who currently are sitting on this story, and + if all goes according to plan, will confront Walker in the next + couple of weeks. Both UFONET, and CUFORN will be following all + the developments as they occur, and will be updating this in the + next issue of the _CUFORN Bulletin_. + + So far, I've only touched on a few of the facts, made + clear in the Cameron/Crain report. However, I would be amiss + if I didn't mention that their report covers more than just + the story of Eric Walker, which takes up about 80 pp. There + are also interesting pieces of information, also related to + Walker, describing the U.S. military/intelligence complex. + And along with information on DARPA, the Jason Group, and + other such institutions, there are tidbits of information, + much of it documented, regarding a whole bevy of UFOlogy figures. + Included, are Wilbur Smith, Bill Moore, Richard Doty, Linda Howe, + Stanton Friedman, Todd Zechel, Lee Graham, Bill Cooper, and + several others. If any criticism can be made of the report, + and their are a few, its that it was too wide in its + scope, and as a consequence, particular sections didn't get + dealt with adequately. Thus, the enormity of the task, coupled + with the constant influx of new information, were in large + measure responsible for the delay in having this paper published. + As I alluded to earlier, this paper will be made publicly + available soon. If you're at all interested in the subject, + you'll want to read it for yourself. Its one more contribution + to the amassing body of evidence, that the U.S. government is + indeed covering up its knowledge and activities with regard to + the subject of UFOs. + + + + + Tom Mickus, 24, is currently attending the University of Toronto. + In addition to this, he also is Moderator of a UFO oriented + computer Bulletin Board Service (BBS) Network, entitled UFONET. + Unlike Paranet, which I am no longer affiliated with, we are a + 100% UFO subject related network. We have affiliates in both + Canada and the U.S. For more information, you can phone Tom + at 416/239-1094, or connect directly with UFONET via your computer + and modem by calling 416/237-1204. You may also write him at: + + Tom A. Mickus + UFONET BBS Network + Box 388, Station W + Toronto, Ontario, CANADA + M6M 5C1 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1188.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1188.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0d84e1c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1188.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,297 @@ +SUBJECT: TRAVIS WALTON ABDUCTION THREAD FILE: UFO188 + + + + Msg: #7384 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 22-MAR-88 11:42 PM +Subj: Klass Book +From: Sysop + To: All + +Have just received Phil Klass' newest book, "UFO Abductions: A Dangerous +Game," in which he attempts to tear to shreds the entire abduction phenomenon. +My copy was inscribed, "To Jim Speiser -- May you be spared." I'm just getting +into it, but it seems a bit rushed, as if he wrote it over the weekend. The +chapter on Travis Walton's abduction is quite interesting, not just because of +what it says, but because of what it doesn't say. I'll have more to say on +that point after I finish the book, but tonight I talked at length with Tracy +Torme, who has written the script for the upcoming movie "Fire in the Sky" +about the Walton affair. When I read him the pertinent parts of the chapter, +he was practically frothing at the mouth. He has promised to write a rebuttal +for ParaNet. Tracy and I have had many talks about the Walton abduction, and +if he is right about even half the stuff he says, Klass is just plain all wet. +I'll give you an example: In the book, Klass claims that Walton's crew chief, +Mike Rogers, was way behind in his contract with the Forest Service, and +nothing short of an act of God would prevent him from being penalized. So he +created an Act of God -- or more correctly, Space Brothers. Klass theorizes +that if Rogers could convince the Forest Service that the UFO incident so +scared his workers that they refused to return to the site, that would fulfill +the Act of God clause in his contract and he would be rewarded an extension. +Thus the whole thing was a hoax created to save a $25,000 contract. What Klass +DOESN'T tell you is that not only was Rogers NOT granted an extension, he lost +the entire balance of the contract -- AND was unable to find work for a long +period afterwards, AND lost his wife over the incident. All this to claim a +- More (Y)/N/NS? +$5000 prize from the National Enquirer. Yet neither he nor any of his workers +has ever recanted the story -- EVEN THOUGH THE SAME TABLOID OFFERED EACH OF +THEM $5000 TO RECANT!! + + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): + + Msg: #7385 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 22-MAR-88 11:44 PM +Subj: Klass Book (R) +From: Sysop + To: All + +Tracy has asked me to ask ParaNet users what they think of the Walton +abduction, and I promised to forward the highlights of our discussion to him. +What do you think? + + Jim + +Reply(s) #7394 #7402 #7412 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7394 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 02:16 AM +Subj: #7385 - Klass Book (R) +From: James Vincent + To: Sysop (X) + +I don't know a thing about the Walton abduction. Anything in Memory Alpha that +might help? + +-=James + +Reply(s) #7406 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7406 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 07:22 AM +Subj: #7394 - Klass Book (R) +From: Sysop + To: James Vincent (X) + +No, not yet. I'll try to upload something anon. + +Reply(s) #7445 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7445 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 02:02 AM +Subj: #7406 - Klass Book +From: James Vincent + To: Sysop (X) + +Well let me know son! Let me know! + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): + + Msg: #7402 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 03:34 AM +Subj: #7385 - Klass Book (R) +From: Craig Kraft + To: Sysop (X) + +I have read a bit on it and i think it is a good, solid case. I think klass +is all wet on this one, what does he say about Strieber? + craig + +Reply(s) #7408 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7408 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 07:31 AM +Subj: #7402 - Klass Book (R) +From: Sysop + To: Craig Kraft (X) + +Don't know, haven't gotten that far into the book. But from his talks, he +agrees that Whitley's chimney don't reach the roofline. But like you, he keeps +bringing in the money aspect, and the "imaginative writer" aspect, as if +people like Michael Shea, the government attorney-abductee, don't exist. + +Reply(s) #7433 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7433 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 12:01 AM +Subj: #7408 - Klass Book +From: Craig Kraft + To: Sysop (X) + +I havent heard about the Shea case, perhaps you could tell me about it. I have +to agree that Whitley isnt playing with a full deck but then again I think the +same think about Stephen King. Whitleys case should be taken aside from the +rest of the cases i think because of the points Klass raises. Read the Hunger +and you will see what I mean..... + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): + + Msg: #7412 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 08:19 AM +Subj: #7385 - Klass Book (R) +From: Jim Delton + To: Sysop (X) + +I recieved Klass's book "UFO's: the public decieved" ANd have gooten part way +thru it. He presents a pretty good casse for what he is saying on many of the +incidnets. In regard to the travis Walton case, he raises some interesting +anomolies about the whole situation and how the various people acted. At +this point, I have serious doubts abluout the Travis Walton abduction. +According to Klass, All the Walton's were into UFO, and had seen them on many +many odc==cassions. They even had made plans for what to do if they saw oe +near the ground. He goes into the testing of Walton's Urine samples which +indicate that he was not honest. EIther the sample was not Walton's, as +clao=imed, or Walton was not abducted and held as he claimed. Reccommmend you +reserve judgment ulntil you get Klass's second book. (again, I lmust +appoligize for this mess, I have incredible line noise on thees phone lines. + +Reply(s) #7418 #7435 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7418 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 23-MAR-88 01:32 PM +Subj: #7412 - Klass Book (R) +From: Sysop + To: Jim Delton (X) + +Jim: + I have read "The Public Deceived." If Tracy is correct, the public HAS +been deceived -- but not by Ufologists. Recommend YOU reserve judgement until +Tracy files his rebuttal here. There is MUCH more to the case than what Klass +presents. + + I'll give you one example -- "All the Waltons were into UFOs, and had seen +them on many occasions"...utterly false, according to Tracy, who has +interviewed the law enforcement officials involved. They all agree that none +of the Waltons ever filed a UFO report with any of them. A lot of confusion +stems from the fact that Travis' older brother, Duane, shot his mouth off to +try to cash in on the publicity, giving the impression that they had planned +this all along. That may very well be, but to get the other 5 participants to +go along with the whole thing, pass lie detector tests, and stick to the story +for 12 years? How did Duane and Travis accomplish that? + + Jim + +Reply(s) #7451 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7451 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 08:25 AM +Subj: #7418 - Klass Book (R) +From: Jim Delton + To: Sysop (X) + +As you may recall from the book, at least one of the witnesses has stated to +Klass that lhe doubts that theer was any UFO but he can't prove there +wasn'tand is concerned about being to public about that doubt. There is also +the question of what would happen to the participants if they evey did admit +it wa a hoax, they could be subject to civil or crimnal penalties. In +addition, t=not all of the 5 were necessarilly in on the hoax. It may be that +only Travis and Rodgers were in on it . THeir actions could lead one to that +conclusion. Once they started the ball rolling in terms of "spotting" the UFO +and starting the ruckus, and having travis jump out, and then having rodgers +zoom away before any one else could get out and investigate could have all +been preplanned. Also there is the question of why Rodgers disappeared for 2 +hours in the afternoon and why they left so late that particular day. Trying +to cast doubt on the basis of how could they continue the hoax so long doesn't +carry much wiegth when you think about how long such hoaxes as Real estate +sales men selling desert land for 15 lyears to people back east without anyone +ever catching on to the hoax.ALso,m I beileve that Klass ahd statment fro a +number of people, including the principles that indicated that they had a long +standing interest in UFO's + +Reply(s) #7457 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7457 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 12:39 PM +Subj: #7451 - Klass Book +From: Sysop + To: Jim Delton + +<1> All six claim to have seen the UFO, as far as I know. There is no question +of one of them "doubting" there was a UFO. If they would go so far as to admit +a doubt, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't own up to the whole thing +being a hoax. <2> The statute of limitation expired five years ago, so there +are no civil or criminal penalties at stake. <3> If the object itself were a +hoax, from the descriptions given by all the witnesses, it would have taken +Rogers more than two hours to rig it, and h e couldn' have done it alone. <4> +Your Real Estate analogy is not valid, because it involves Big Bux. Until this +movie deal came along, which is very recent, the witnesses profited from this +precious little. It could be argued that they lost more than they gained. <5> +A long-standing interest in UFOs is immaterial. Many people have a +long-standing interest in UFOs. Do you think the alleged entities would choose +only those who DON'T have an interest in them? Interest in the subject is a +far cry from reporting UFOs often. I have a long-standing interest, yet have +never reported one, nor have I even seen one. + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): + + Msg: #7435 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 12:12 AM +Subj: #7412 - Klass Book (R) +From: Craig Kraft + To: Jim Delton (X) + +Why did they test his urine? That seems pretty strange to me. + +Reply(s) #7455 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7455 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 08:43 AM +Subj: #7435 - Klass Book (R) +From: Jim Delton + To: Craig Kraft + +It is a well know mediacl fact that people who go witlhout food, for a period +of a few days, start to use up their reserves, fat, and in doing soone of the +byproducts is acetone. People who are dieting often can even smell the oder +fro the acteone in their sweat. I have had that experiance myself. So when +Walton claims to have been abducted for 5 days and not given food, and to have +lost 10 pounds as a result, lit is a kfact that he should be well into the +acteone stage. When he returned, he provided a urine sample to the first +doctor that examined him. Urinalysis, showed no abnormalities at all, and a +complete absence of acetone. Therefore, either he was lying about the +abductin and wiegth loss or he did not provide that urine sample but someone +else did, probably his brother. One posible reason is that he was knkow to +have used drugs in the past, and lmay have used them during the 5 days he was +missing and didn't want drugs to show up in the urinalisys so he had his +brother give the sample. Please excuse the gibberish....... Line noise +generate by the UFO hovering over this computer! + +Reply(s) #7461 + +(REply Quit ?) (D F): rr + + Msg: #7461 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy + 24-MAR-88 12:58 PM +Subj: #7455 - Klass Book +From: Sysop + To: Jim Delton + +I remember being curious about that myself. Will ask Tracy to comment on it -- +he did mention something about lowered electrolytes or something... + +As to drug use, he smoked marijuana when he was 14. Klass states in ABDUCTIONS +that he came back without a scratch on him....not quite true, there was a mark +on the inside of his left elbow, which the doctor speculated might be from a +needle. Just in the interest of exactitude... + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1189.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1189.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0086e878 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1189.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,328 @@ +SUBJECT: NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT DON WAR, MUFON-FLA. FILE: UFO1189 + + +[This is a transcript for the December 4th, 1988 On Line Conference with MUFON +Gulf Breeze investigator Don Ware with a special cameo appearance of the +principle player in the case "Mr. Ed"] + + + User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area + ---- ------------ --- --- ----------------- + 18 74630,554 ANC 5 Bill + 24 76703,266 DUK 5 G-WIZ + 27 72310,2472 BOI 3 Don M + 32 76650,1021 TTO 5 Tom Mickus + 24 74000,1033 CNJ 5 Lynn Craig + 47 72311,2715 BOL 5 JDR + 59 72460,3101 BMA 5 JERRY WOODY + 66 74270,3360 BOI 5 DON + 70 75376,1620 CVK 5 Wedge + 71 76060,2404 DEQ 5 Mark R. Owens + 73 76012,3361 MRT 5 Ted + 77 71450,3504 PSF 5 Bert + 77 71450,3504 PSF 5 Don Ware + +(5,Bert) Any time, Don is here with me. + +(5,Wedge) Don, is Ed ********* with you? + +(5,Bert) Ed is not here + +(5,Don M) Dale, which Don + +(5,Wedge) Sorry, Don Ware. + +#;;C_ISSU: - Job 77: switching handles now + +(5,DON) Hi you all....... + +(5,Bill) hi Don + +(5,Mark[Y]) Hello, all! + +(5,Don M) hihi + +(Ted) Are we ready? ga + +(5,DON) go + +(5,Don Ware) All set here + +(5,Bill) yes + +(Ted) Tonight's special guest is Donald Ware, head of the Gulf Breeze UFO +investigation for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). Don is a retired Air Force +officer (fighter pilot) who resides in Ft. Walton Beach, FL and is also a state +director for MUFON. He was spotlighted on NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" last +month. Before we open the floor to questions I'll get things going with a +couple of basic questions. Ready Don? GA + +(5,Don Ware) yes + +(Ted) I understand there has been quite a bit of new activity in Gulf Breeze the +last few months. Could you tell us a little about what has been happening? -- +Especially involving the incident last week where an airforce pilot and his wife +had a major encounter on the beach. I heard a rumor that a significant stretch +of beach was closed. Anything to that? GA + +(5,Don Ware) First let me clarify for the record that Charles Flannigan is the +chief investigator on the GB case. I have been coordinating some of the related +activities. Regarding recent incidents a week ago Monday, about 10:15 pm, 3 +teenagers on Pensacola beach were told by US Airforce security police that they +must clear the beach. Thirty minutes later, James Larken with another person +reported a UFO 12-13 ft in diameter, 25 ft above the tree tops two miles east of +GB. This is just north of the Sound from where the teenagers were, and I +understand that the teenagers told Mark Curtis of TV3 that an incident was in +progress. ga + +(Ted) Thanks for setting us straight on the "head" investigator. What's your +opinion of the attacks being leveled by individuals like Willy Smith? In a +report at a national UFO conference in Cleveland recently, Smith reported that +he believed the whole GB thing to be a hoax. GA + +(5,Don Ware) First let me clarify that the teenagers were told by the POLICE +that an incident was in progress. I think Willy Smith has a personal problem. +We have not communicated with him since late March when his responses to our +communications became unreasonable. ga + +(Ted) Can you elaborate? ga + +(5,Wedge) ! + +(5,Tom Mickus) ! + +(5,Don Ware) I'd prefer not to elaborate further, because I prefer not to +discuss other people. ga + +(5,DON) !! + +(Ted) I will now open the floor, Dale and Mickus are already on the list (along +with Don) ga + +(5,Wedge) Thank you. I was just wondering how you feel about the recent +reduction of Bob Boyd and Willy Smith in MUFON circles...since every case needs +to have both sides expressed, don't you feel that one sided censorship is taking +place?ga + +(5,Don Ware) The change in MUFON status of Boyd and Smith has certainly not +changed their visibility. ga + +(Ted) Mickus is next GA + +(5,Tom Mickus) Don, can you tell us if the names of two of the people who also +have photos is going to be released...and has Maccabee analyzed these pics at +all and if he has, when is the computer analysis going to be made public in +print?...and one other question, if Mr. "Ed" is supposed to be a major +construction contractor in GB why can't someone determine who is really is? +Thanks. GA DON. + +(5,Mark R. Owens) ! + +(5,Don Ware) The two photos from 1986 and the 9 photos from "believer Bill" were +taken by people who have not allowed interviews [A lady named Millie took 2 +photos on 6 April the objects were quite small, .001 radians.... + +(Ted) Don Ware got knocked off. Please stand by..... + + +[Light music...] + +(5,Wedge) + +[Irritating commercial chatter] + +[More Light music] + +(5,G-WIZ) ha! + +(5,Bert) got knocked off, we are back... + +[Bert changes name to Don Ware] + +(5,Don Ware) We have been unable to locate Mike Johnson, who dropped off an +undeveloped roll of film at the Gulf Breeze Sentinel. ga + +(5,DON) Hang in there with me, the keyboard is acting up. Ok, Don, all around +the UFO community the entire "House" is in disarray perfect case in point is the +GB case this is one that has divided the ranks down the middle You, Walt, +Maccabee on one side giving the facts that this is very promising, on the other +side, People like Smith, etc, not to mention Klass using it to show the rest of +the world how we are our own worst enemies. My point is this,. first what do you +consider to be the most effective evidence to show that something is indeed +occurring, and then do you have any ideas on how you would suggest a healing of +the ranks?? and follow up. ga + +(5,Tom Mickus) ! + +(5,Mark R. Owens) ! + +(5,Don Ware) Bob Boyd and Willy Smith appear to me to be debunkers. We have 7 +investigators in NW Florida who have been working on this case plus 3-4 others +working on nearby cases. We try to investigate according to the MUFON manual we +report what we learn. The reaction of other investigators or debunkers is not MY +concern. The NW Florida MUFON case number 15 has been investigated more +thoroughly than any case I know one couple has had 22 encounters, including 18 +separate photographic sessions in a 5 and a half month period. They have taken +pictures with every kind of camera we gave them. The 1 May photographs show an +object 14.8 ft in diameter, and 14.8 ft high at a distance of 475 ft over the +water. The NIMSLO object is in the same frames calculated to be 132 ft away. The +object appears to be about 3 ft long. NUMEROUS REPUTABLE people reported objects +they described as similar to those photographed. ga + +(5,Wedge) ! + +(5,Mark R. Owens) Thank you. I would like to know what type of credentials that +Ed has and how does he fit into the picture with respect to previous association +with MUFON or other similar organizations. ga + +(5,Don Ware) Ed has no previous association with MUFON or other UFO groups. I +met him on 20 November, the day after the first pictures were published. ga + +(5,Mark R. Owens) follow? +(Ted) We have a lot in line Mark. I have put you in Queue. Dale is next ga + +(5,Wedge) Don W is a book in the works? And if so, can you tell us the +percentage of take that Ed will take?ga + +(5,Don Ware) On 7 January, I told Ed that this case requires presentation to the +public in two forms. First a TV documentary, because it was primarily visual +evidence; and secondly a book must be written because that is the ONLY format +that can tell the whole story. ga + +(5,Don Ware) wait... I have no knowledge of the finances. ga + +(Ted) Tom Mickus is next ga Tom + +(5,Tom Mickus) Don, I'm not sure if you answered my previous question as to +whether Ed is a moajor construction contactor in GB...and when the computer +analysis by Maccabee will be pout into print. And a suggestion: Why doesn't +someone work a deal with Sony and make sure that everyone down there scraps +their cameras and get camcorders instead. And lastly, do you know where I can +get a copy of a 1985 Air force regulation entitled "AF200-2" Thanks...GA + +(5,Don Ware) During the previous 5 years Ed averaged building 20 houses per +year. During the past 12 months, he has only built 9. The reason is that an +extensive and UFO investigation and building custom homes do not mix. Not +everyone wants to trust their life savings to someone who photographs strange +things. Dr. Maccabees photo analysis has been completed on select photographs. +Release date unknown. Library of congress would be a source for info on +regulations. Or "Clear Intent" has a copy of AFR200-2..ga + +(Ted) DON is next GA DON form Boise + +(5,DON) Don, on my last question, I asked you what piece of evidence you felt +was most provocative from the stand point of showing that this was a very +serious case, so what piece of evidence do you feel would be the one and how is +the abduction phenomenon shaping up in GB?? + +(5,Wedge) ! + +(5,Don Ware) As I stated in my initial statement is the combination of excellent +photographs and the reputation of independent witnesses that makes GB "case 15" +greatly significant. We had 10 abductees at our support group meeting last +Tuesday (29 Nov.). My impression is that... + + +(5,DON) Ok, but is there any physical evidence, or military? + +(Ted) Wait DON Please! + +(5,Don Ware) they are being helped by our activities several abductees have +undergone extensive hypnotic regression. + +(Ted) Mark O is next ga + +(5,Mark R. Owens) I wanted to know if the government has been involved in this +thing, and if so, to what extent officially? Also, has Ed been an abductee? +ga. + +(Don Ware) Three mobile radars surrounded GB shortly after the photos were +published. Thompson 871111/0815 and McClellan 871202/00## both reported fighters +making a pass toward the UFO. Light aircraft showed up after other sightings. +Light aircraft were reported orbiting over East Bay almost every night during +the peak of the sightings. We suspect that the government knows more about +what's going on than we do. Ed has has at least 4 periods of missing time at +ages 17, 25, 33, and 41. Perhaps later details may be released. ga + +(Ted) DAle is next + +(5,Wedge) If the Ed story turns out to be real it is the story of the +century if it doesn't, it could it could really destroy Ufology. Is there +anything about Ed that you think could be detrimental to your case?ga + +(Ted) [good ? Dale] + +(5,Don Ware) we are back + +(Ted) Dale can you repeat? ga + +(5,Wedge) I think I said...and if not, Ted ask the q. This case could be the +most important one in the past century. But, perhaps it may not be as it seems. +Is there anything in the case or in Mr. Ed that troubles you as an investigator? +Your case may be the downfall of MUFON, if it is wrong. Let us) hope that is +isn't. Are there no reservations?g + +(5,Don Ware) There are no reservations. The GB flap is a large number of cases +ga + +(Ted) Don is next ga Don + +(5,DON) pass + +(Ted) Mark Y is up GA + +(5,Mark Y) Has any hardware or landing tracings been found? GA + +(5,Mark R. Owens) ! + +(5,Don Ware) A circle 12-14 ft in diameter in the school yard was affected so +that the grass died and did not grow back in the Spring. Extensive investigation +has been unable to determine the cause. On 17 Dec. Ed said he saw some liquid +fall from a UFO into a field. A "butter tub" with rainwater, dirt and algae was +found bubbling and apparently captured some of the fluid. Two analyses of the +fluid indicated diluted sea water. ga + +(Ted) Wedge is up GA + +(5,Mark R. Owens) ! + +(5,Wedge) The Northeast Ohio sighting is unique in that not only are there +independent witnesses, photos, etc., but we have official document showing that +the event took "official" place. Gulf Breeze is really big in event status, but +no documents, from what I can see from military sources. Are there some? + +(5,Bill) !!!!! + +(5,Don Ware) There has been nothing from any government agency on GB. ga + +(5,Wedge) ? follow + +(Ted) Follow Dale + +(5,Wedge) Is there a reason that Gulf Breeze is more important than the Lake +Erie sighting (which has an official U.S. document)? Or is is that your case +has been commercialized by the Sentinel and Walt Andrus? My case hasn't even +made the MUFON Journal, but I'm not writing a book.ga + +(Ted) Dale tonight's subject is GB. Let's not forget! + +(5,Don Ware) I have very little information on the NE Ohio case. + +(Ted) Next is Mark, [then BILL of Anaheim] ga Mark + +(5,Mark R. Owens) Don, Now that you have had experience with several abductees, +has any determination been made as to what the motives are behind the GB +incidents. I have heard that there is something behind this, possibly some type +of programming or something of that nature. And, what is the future as you see +it for GB? + +(5,Wedge) Religious? Sorry! + +(5,Don Ware) The abduction phenomenon was going on here before the photographs +were taken, and they have continued since 1 May. I think that the abduction +phenomenon and the GB photographs are 2 separate issues. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1190.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1190.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bc1d9f49 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1190.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ + SUBJECT: A WARNING ! FILE: UFO1190 + + + THERE IS WITHIN EARTH'S SOCIETY, A MIXED REALITY OF PURPOSE. + THIS SITUATION OCCURS BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE WITH THEIR OWN + AGENDA. IN A PRIMITIVE CULTURE IT IS HARMLESS BECAUSE NO ONE + MAN CAN CONTROL THE TECHNICAL POWER WHICH CAN ENDANGER THE + PLANET. HOWEVER, THE PRESENT LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY PROVIDES THE + TOOLS TO DESTROY ALL LIVING THINGS. + + THERE ARE PROCESSES ON-GOING AT THIS TIME TO RESTRICT THE POWER + OF ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL FROM ACHIEVING THE POWER TO USE THOSE + TOOLS IN ANY WIDESPREAD DESTRUCTIVE MANNER. THE WILL OF THE + PEOPLE TO SURVIVE AND NOT DIE IS ON EVERY ONE'S MIND. WHETHER + IT IS A BETTER LIFE TO DELAY THE INEVITABLE DEMISE OR TO + IMPROVE HEALTH FOR LONGER DURATION, THE CONCLUSION IS THE + SAME. THE REAL POWER ON EARTH LIES IN THE MIND'S OF THOSE WHO + SUPPORT THE LEADER, AND NOT THE LEADER HIMSELF. + + THE MOST PROFOUND WAY TO DISABLE A WEAPON IS TO CHANGE THE + MIND OF THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE TRIGGER. IT LEAVES NO RUINS + OR REFUGEES. THERE ARE SOME WHO CALL THIS PROGRAM EVIL BECAUSE + IT FORMS THE MIND TO IT'S WILL AND NOT TO THE WISHES OF THE + HOST. IT IS THE LOSS OF CONTROL WHICH THEY FEAR. THIS IS + BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT EDUCATION REALLY IS IN + CIRCLES OF HIGHER INTELLIGENCE. + + A YOUNG MIND IS REPETITIVELY EXPOSED TO CONCEPTS OF LEARNING + UNTIL THE PURPOSES ARE UNDERSTOOD. PHYSICAL TOOLS SUCH AS + BOOKS, CHARTS, AND LECTURES ARE THE MENTAL AIDS OF A MUNDANE + SOCIETY. THE USE OF DIRECT THOUGHT INTERVENTION IS ONLY + POSSIBLE IN AN ADVANCED CULTURE ABLE TO INTERCALATE THE + STUDENT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE AGES. + + IN LESSOR DEVELOPED MINDS, THE INTERVENING CAUSES SUBJECTS TO + SENSE A LOSS OF CONTROL OR TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE + COMMUNICATING WITH THE GODS. AS A SOCIETY ADVANCES AND + ACQUIRES THIS ABILITY ON IT'S OWN THE PROCESS BECOMES MORE + PROSAIC, AND LEADS TO A RAPID STATE OF EVOLUTION. + + EARTH DOES NOT HAVE THE TIME TO WAIT FOR THE NATURAL + EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS TO BE COMPLETED. THE CURRENT COMBINATION + OF AIRBORNE INDUSTRIAL WASTES, AND THE COMING DEBRIS OF + VOLCANIC ACTIVITY WILL TIP THE SCALES AGAINST SURVIVAL BY MOST + LIFE-FORMS ON EARTH. + + THE VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS CAN NOT BE STOPPED, BUT THE ADDED + CATALYST OF MAN'S IGNORANCE AND WASTE CAN BE HARNESSED AND + REMOVED, THUS LESSENING THE RISKS OF TOTAL EXTINCTION. EARTH'S + LIFE AS IT IS NOW KNOWN CAN NOT TOLERATE THE COMBINATION OF + BOTH ACTIONS TOGETHER, AND WILL RETURN TO A VERY REAL DARK + AGE. + + PRESENTLY, EARTH HAS A BELT OF THINNING CRUST WHICH IS + PARALLEL TO THE PLANE OF SPIN AND AT AN ANGLE TO AN IMAGINARY + VERTICAL AXIS ON A NON-TILTED EARTH SPHERE. DIFFERENT THERMAL + SENSITIVITIES OF CRUST MATERIALS ALLOWS SOME AREAS EASIER + MOVEMENT OF MAGMA TO THE SURFACE. WHEN THERE IS A MOVEMENT OF + HEAVY METALS SUCH AS IRON ETC. OUTSIDE THE MELTED CORE THERE + IS A LOSS OF STABILITY IN EARTH'S ROTATION. A SLIGHT INCREASE + IN THE PERTURBATION OF EARTH'S REGULAR SPIN WILL SIGNAL THE + ONSET OF SEVERE ACTIVITY. THIS HAS OCCURRED BEFORE AND WILL + OCCUR AGAIN AS EVIDENCED BY THE SHIFT IN MAGNETIC POLES. + + THE LESSON THAT EARTH IS BEING TAUGHT HAS TWO INTENTIONS. THE + FIRST IS TO AID SURVIVAL, AND THE SECOND IS TO FORCE MAN TO + REALIZE HIS VULNERABILITY IN THE UNIVERSE. " NO MAN IS AN + ISLAND" HE IS WORST THAN THAT " HE IS THE ONE DESTROYING THE + ISLAND". + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1191.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1191.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..55889643 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1191.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTINGS IN PA, 11/87 FILE: UFO1191 + + +RECENT SIGHTINGS "UNEXPLAINABLE" + +[Western Pennsylvania] Tribune Review, Sunday, Nov. 15, 1987 +by Dave Lester + + A metallic object twice the size of the Goodyear blimp hovers over +an electrical power plant. Lights suddenly flicker at a nearby shopping +mall. + An incredibly bright light from an overhead object one evening is +beamed at a woman in her back yard, leaving her temporarily paralyzed. + Sound far out? Such occurrences may be closer to home than you +think, say UFO investigators who have been deluged with reports of UFO +sightings in recent months. + By one account, a huge object was seen hovering over a power station +near Greengate Mall in Hempfield Township. Its appearance coincided with +an electrical disturbance at the big retail complex. In Southwest Greens- +burg, a woman putting the trash out at her home was suddenly overwhelmed +by a strange light that she says she was unable to move from. + "These are definitely very significant sightings, says Stan Gordon, +director of the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained. +"What's been reported here is very similar to what's been reported around +the country and throughout the world." + As with previous reports of UFO sightings, Gordon says many of them +can be explained as natural phenomenon [sic] - a bright planet, exhaust +trails from a rocket launch, even a low-flying plane displaying advertis- +ing signs. + But Gordon says he has not been able to draw any quick conclusions +about the latest sightings. Similar reports from a wide area of Pennsyl- +vania have convinced him that what the observers witnessed are not iso- +lated occurrences. + "Something seems to be going on," says Gordon. "We have no definit- +ive idea what this all means." + Three off-duty policemen were among the four who could make out a +large metallic shape at dusk near the mall. It travelled from west to east +more or less crossing Route 30 near McDonald's Restaurant. + Red lights could be seen on the front and back and white lights run- +ning lengthwise, including a stationary white light. + One observer said what struck him about the object was that it did +not make a sound. Nor was there an exhaust trail. + They observed it for five to six minutes, then drove to another area +where they witnessed an even stranger spectacle. The oblong object ap- +peared to pivot on its axis, executing a 90-degree turn before disappear- +ing beyond the treeline. When it hove [sic] into sight again, it was a +much greater distance away. + "I've never seen anything like that before," said one of [the] of- +ficers. It definitely was not an airplane. + The object that reportedly directed a beam of light at a Southwest +Greensburg woman also was described as noiseless. + "It was above me and illuminated the whole yard, a huge object, with +stationary pulsating lights," the woman said, recalling the incident one +night in her back yard. "I was so scared I couldn't move." + The lights from the platter-like object were arranged in a circular +pattern and were pulsating rapidly. Despite the intense light, no noise +other than what was perhaps a faint hum emanated from the object. + "It took off slowly," she said. "That's when I screamed for Mom." + Aside from the momentary paralysis that the women reported, both she +and her mother complained of headaches. + The object tilted somewhat as it took off over the treetops slowly +in a northeasterly direction and then accelerated. + PASU, a Greensburg-based clearinghouse for such reports, saw their +number peak in May and June. That was followed by a "big wave" of reported +sightings in July and August. In October PASU sent directives to federal +and state agencies alerting them of the unusual amount of UFO activity. + Warm-weather months generally bring more sighting reports, which +Gordon says can be attributed to a greater number of people staying out of +doors for longer periods. But what makes the reports unusual, Gordon says, +is the number that cannot be easily explained. He says the objects were +first reported being seen here in early August, though not publicized. +That was followed by incidents in Virginia, which drew widespread atten- +tion. + Gordon also described them as "high quality." The objects were at +low-level and clearly visible rather than distant lights in the sky. Even +the reports of strange lights have been unusual. + While PASU occasionally publicizes some of its reports, their sour- +ces are kept confidential. + "A lot of people are reluctant to talk publicly about it because +they're concerned their reputations would suffer; they're afraid of being +ridiculed and laughed at," says Gordon. + Gordon decided to publicize the two unusual occurrences because they +occurred in heavily populated areas and may have been observed by others. + "We feel that other people did see these things and didn't call, +possibly because they didn't know who to call," says Gordon. + But PASU delayed the release of information to the media to see if +other reports would come in. + Reports of similar occurrences in western Virginia have generated +great attention. Gordon has exchanged information with investigators there +but again says he can draw no conclusions at this point. "I can't say its +the same thing but a number of the reports from there seem to be very +similar in description," says Gordon. + +------ + +The Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained is a +volunteer, statewide scientific organization for the investigation of UFO +sightings and other phenomenon [sic]. Its members are for the most part +drawn from scientific, engineering, and other technical fields. The PASU +center can be reached at 412-838-7768. The address is: 6 Oak Hill Avenue, +Greensburg, PA 15601. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1192.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1192.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9b76760f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1192.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,166 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs: ALIEN OR MAN-MADE? FILE: UFO1192 + + + UFO's. Alien or Man Made + By + Al Pinto + + +First, I would like to introduce myself. I am not an airplane pilot. I am not +an astronaut, physicist, scientist, pscychologist, or any other so called +"accepted" authority on UFO's. I am however an ex-Navy Petty Officer with a +good amount of observation experience. I am also someone who is very +interested in the phenomenon. I have researched this subject for quite a while +now, because of what it might mean to us if the "truth" leaked out. Let me tell +you that there is a lot more to UFO's than you may think. + +The governments of the world have been covering up everything that has to do +with UFO's. Why? It may be they feel that the sheer thought of an "alien" +culture infiltrating our world would cause mass hysteria. When I was a +teenager living in North Bergen, NJ (a town across the Hudson River, directly +across from NYC) hundreds of people saw what appeared to be a flying disk land +in what was then called Hudson County Park ( now named Braddock Park after +James J. Braddock, the boxer). It was said to blow out windows in a high rise +named the "Stonehenge". The only thing ever heard about it was a small blurb +in the local newspaper called the Dispatch. I became interested in the +phenomenon ever since. The authorities must have had one hell of a time +suppressing that sighting but, apparently were very succesful. Again I ask, +why? + +Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is a lot of + evidence to this that dates back to WWII. There is a report by Marshall + Yarrow, then then the Reuters special correspondant to Supreme H.Q. in + liberated Paris. This article was published in the South Wales Argus on + December 13, 1944. It stated, "The Germans have produced a 'secret' weapon in + keeping with the Christmas season. The new device, which is appaently an air + defense weapon, resembles the glass balls that adorn Christmas trees. T hey + have been seen hanging in the air over German territory,sometimes singly, +sometimes in clusters. They are colored silver and are appaently transparent." + +Another article regarding the German's secret craft was released by the +Associated Press in the New York Herald Tribune dated January 2, 1945. It +said: "Now, it seems, the Nazis have thrown something new into the night +skiesover Germany. It is the weird, mysterious 'Foo Fighter' balls which race +alongside the wings of Beaufighters flying intruder missions over Germany. +Pilots have been encountering this eerie eapon for more than a month in their +night flights. No one apparently knows what this sky weapon is. The balls of +fire appear suddenly and accompany the planes for miles. They seem to be radio +controlled from the ground, so official intelligence reports reveal..." + +I recently read a paper by Dr. Renato Vesco in which he claims that the "Foo +Fighter" actually existed. It was originally called the "Feurball" and that it +was first built at an aeronautical establishment in Weiner Neustatt, with the +help of the Flugfunk Forschungsanstalt of Oberpfaffenhoffen (FFO). According +to Vesco, the craft was a flat, circular flying machine, powered by a special +turbojet engine, which was used by the Germans during the end of the war. +Vesco also claims that the basic principles of the "Feurball" were later +applied to a much larger craft called the "Kugelblitz" or Ball Lightning +Fighter. This craft, which was rummored to be a revolutionary kind of +supersonic aircraft- was sucesfully conducted over the underground complex of +Kahla, in Thuringia, some time during February of 1945. + +By 1975, Luftfhardt International was stating that a WWII Flugkapitan Rudolph +Schriever had died and found among his papers were the incomplete notes for a +large flying saucer, a series of rough sketches of the machine, and several +newspaper clippings of himself and his alleged flying saucer. Luftfahrt also +pointed out that Schriever, up until his death, had been convinced that the +UFO sightings since the end of the war were proof that his original id as had +been taken further with succesful results. + +Again I wonder. Is there something more to this? Where did this technology go? + +In May of 1978, at Stand 111 in a scientific exhibition in the Hanover Messe +Hall, some people were giving out a paper entitled the "Brisant". The +paper contained two seemingly unrelated articles: + 1. The scientific future of the Antartic. + 2. Germany's WWII flying saucers The flying saucer spoke + of the information I alredy had presented to you. The article also incl + detailed drawing of a typical WWII flying disk, did not mention the + designer's name, and claimed that the drawing was altered by the West + German gov't to render it "safe" for publication. According to the + article, at the end of the war, some of the patents for this craft + disapeared into secret Russian, American, and British files. The remainder + of the files and most likely, the most important ones, went with the + "missing" German sci entists and S.S. men. By 1956, Captain Ed Ruppelt, + then head of the U.S.A.F.'s Project Blue Book, wrote, "When WWII ended, + the Germans had several radical types of aircraft and guided missles under + development. The majority of these were in the most preliminary staes, but + they were the only known craft that could even approach the performances + of the objects reported by UFO observers." + +The article also states that in 1938, Hitler, anxious for a foothold in the +Antartic, sent an expediition commanded by Captain Alfred Richter to the coast +due south of South Africa. Two seaplanes were launched from the deck of the +carrier, Schwabenland, daily for three weeks. They had orders to fly back and +forth across the territory which Norwegian explorers had named Queen Maud +Land. The Germans had then made a far more thorough study of these region, +finding vast areas that were free of ice. They renamed the area +"Neuschwabenland" and claimed it as part of the Third Reich. German ships and +U-boats continued to operate in the South Atlantic Ocean, particularly +between South Africa and the Antartic, throughout WWII. Then, in March 1945, +just before the end of the war, two German U-boats, U-530 and U-977, left from +a port on the Baltic Sea. Alegedly, they took with them members of the flying +saucer research teams, the last of the most vital saucer components, the notes +and drawings for the saucer, and the designs for gigantic underground +complexes and living accomodations based on the underground factories of +Nordhausen in the Harz mountains. The U-boats allegedly unloaded all of this +in Antartica. Then, two months after the war, they mysteriously surfaced off +the coast of Argentina where the crews were handed over to the American +authorities, who interrogated them at length and then flew them all back to +the United States and questioned the Captains of both U-boats for almost a +year. + +About a year after their capture, the United States launched the biggest + operation ever known regarding the Antartic. The purpose was to + "circumnavigate the 16,000 mile continent and map it thoroughly.." "Brisant" + felt i odd that Operation Highjump, as it was called, under the command of + Adm. Richard E. Byrd, included 13 ships, 2 seaplane tenders, an aircraft + carrier, 6 two engine R4D transports, 6 Martin PBM flying boats, 6 + helicopters and a staggering 4000 men. That expedition became somewhat of a + mystery. It docked near the German claimed Neuschwabenland and split up into + three separate task forces. Some reports claim that the mission was an + enormous success. Other, mainly foreign, reports say that it was a complete + disaster: that many of Byrd's men were lost on the first day, that at least + four of his airplanes had disappeared, and that while the expedition had gone + provisioned for 6 to 8 months, they had returned only after a few weeks. + According to "Brisant" Admiral Byrd told a reporter that it was "necessary + for the USA to take defensive actions aginst enemy air fighters which come + from the polar regions" and that in case of a new war the USA would be + "attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole to the other with + incredible speed." Admiral Byrd was then ordered to undergo a secret cross + examination and the US withdrew from the Antartic for almost a decade. + +Yes, I have to ask again. Why are the governments of Earth covering up on this +UFO phenomenon. It may be because they have no choice right now. They are up +against a much more technologically advanced society that might very well be a +product of the Nazi's and they can't do a thing about it right now. It then +becomes more apparent why they do not want us to know. The masses would not +only panic but would quite probably go berserk! There are still many people +alive today who experienced the terror of Nazi Germany. Imagine how they would +feel if they found out that not only is Naziism still alive but, they command +power that no government can stop. + +There is still other information that I've come across which I am in the +process of researching at this point. It regards the science of Cybornetics. I +became interested in this because the Nazi's did many "exp riments" with +humans. Many of these experiments are deemed to be highly unethical by the +medical profession. So strange infact that results of these tests cannot be +released or even used for a good purpose because of the way the tests were +conducted. More on this some other time but it may be possible that these +"little people" are cyborgs. Don't laugh. What I have read so far just might +support this theory. + +There are a few problems with all of this. What about the sightings that took +place before WWII? What about Lear's report that we are dealing with Aliens, +Extraterrestrials from another world? Why bother with te Space Shuttle and +rockets if the technology exists to build saucers? None of it truly makes +sense. That is the problem. We have only questions and not enough answers but, +somebody knows. Do you? + + + Al Pinto + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1193.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1193.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..89267b5f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1193.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,470 @@ +SUBJECT: A WORD FROM MICHAEL CORBIN FILE: UFO1193 + + + A STRANGE CONNECTION + BY + MICHAEL F. CORBIN + + PARANET OMEGA/THE NOVASTAR GROUP EYE IN THE SKY INFORMATION + SERVICE + + NETWORK ADDRESS: 1:104/422.102---(303)431-1343 + +(C)1988 by The NovaStar Group Information Service. All Rights +Reserved. + + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + Abduction...to take away a person by force (against the free +will of the person abducted). (The Merriam Webster Dictionary, +paraphrase by Michael Corbin). This word is associated with many +things that one would read about in the newspaper virtually +everyday. The Iranian hostages, young girl abducted by two men +and held for ransom. But, the word 'abduction' has even more +serious implication of late. Whitley Streiber's abduction, Budd +Hopkins' abduction studies. What does this mean? Over the last +few years, there has been an ever increasing rate of alien +abductions of human beings. As a matter of fact, the numbers +have grown enormously over the last year! As the record +indicates, seemingly normal human beings are being removed from +their homes and vehicles, sometimes in broad daylight, to be +examined by alien beings. Reports have indicated that these +examinations include the taking of ova and sperm samples from the +victims and the possible insemination of female abductees who +report subsequent pregnancy only to find that the pregnancy has +mysteriously disappeared shortly after the first trimester. +These disappearances of fetus' are, likewise, associated with +another abduction of the victim. Mysterious scarring and +implants around the frontal brain area have also been +commonplace. At first, one would naturally speculate that the +people reporting such abductions were obviously hallucinating +such events, however as time has passed, more and more people +have been coming forward reporting the most bizarre abduction +reports of our history. People, whom doctors report are average +intelligence and normally adjusted socially. What is going on? +I have been asking this question of myself and others over the +last year, and have been drawn to this mystery only to find that +it goes much deeper than most people would realize or +acknowledge. Speculation has ranged from nothing more than an +over active imagination, on the down side, to stories of the last +days and 'fallen angels', on the high side. It is here that I +would like to analyze what we know to be true in the area of +UFO's and abductions. + + Recently discovered by Barry Greenwood and Lawrence Fawcett, +authors of the well known book, Clear Intent, have discovered +that the United States Government has over 10,000 documented +reports of UFO sightings made by the general public, airline +pilots, both civil and military, radar observed UFO's and on and +on since as early as 1942. During the period of 1942 to 1947, +the reports were sparse and generally were not treated too +seriously. Then, in 1947, things took a sudden and mysterious +turn when the news wire buzzed that a saucer had crashed in a +remote region of New Mexico near the town of Roswell. As quickly +as the story went out over the wire, it was immediately silenced +by the U.S. Government and later explained away as a radar +reflecting device attached to a weather balloon. However, +despite the government attempts to disguise the possible recovery +of an unknown type aircraft, using the weather balloon story, the +rumors persist that what actually was recovered in that field was +an actual spacecraft piloted by aliens. Even unto 1988, the +mystery as far as the public is concerned remains unsolved and +steeped in more secrecy than ever before. Greenwood and Fawcett +launched a massive and bold campaign to have the government +release to the public, any and all documents related to this +bizarre phenomenon, only to be met with resistance of a large +degree by the military entities that on one hand, deny the very +existence of such phenomenon and on the other, outright admit +their existence by withholding documents pertaining to them. +Many documents are classified 'Above Top Secret'. So, with this +in mind, are we to believe that nothing exists? Are we to +believe the Philip Klass' that would have us understand that we +are involved in a phenomenon known as mass hallucination or +mistaking something moving across the sky as the planet Venus? +Not hardly. But, what is it? + + Anyone could let their imagination run away with them +speculating on what this phenomenon is and from where it comes. +We have seen this lately in the form of frantic appeals that we +are being invaded by little green men from outer space. We have +heard stories about MIB's (Men In Black) stalking abduction +victims, dark helicopters buzzing homes and observing the +movements of individuals who are deeply involved in this mystery. +We have heard that there are underground bases where the aliens +perform horrible experiments on hapless human victims. And, on +top of all of this, we have heard of MJ-12, the secret, covert +organization, responsible only to the President of the United +States. MJ-12 is supposed to have the complete and total access +to actual living aliens who are visitors of the government. The +stories go on and on. What is true and what is false? Since no +civilian researcher has ever been invited to a full blown crash +investigation, the civilian ranks must work at this project in +the blind. Many times, there have been reports of actual +physical evidence of an encounter, but to this day, not one piece +of evidence has been circulated among the civilian ranks. So, +once again, in the absence of physical evidence to examine, we +are left with our minds to speculate on what could be going on. + + While it is not the scope and purpose of this document to +discuss theology, it is important to keep in mind that there +could be a possible link between the phenomenon of today and what +has been recounted in ancient documents. In 1968, Barry H. +Downing published a book called 'The Bible and Flying Saucers'. +In this book, Mr. Downing attempts to relate the Bible to this +phenomenon. What makes this theory so difficult in this day and +age is the fact that mysticism has been replaced with science. +As science has made such leaps and bounds in discovering our +roots, it seems that the Bible and God has been traded off for +science text 101. But, even with all of science's knowledge, the +basic meaning of life has still not been discovered. We have +always needed a balance of Science, Philosophy, and Theology to +get us where we were going. For nearly 6000 years men have tried +to discover their meaning and roots of being. Yet, in today's +modern world, we feel that we are so close to the answer. +Accident. I have heard our existence justified as being part of +the 'Cosmic Cookbook' where you add a little of this and a little +of that and poof!, out comes instant life. But who or what has +been doing the 'adding' of the ingredients to this large cosmic +pot? While I am not a scientist, I can say that so far, nothing +to my knowledge has been discovered that will validate the +principle of perpetual motion. In any event, if motion is to +exist, something external must be applied to that object to put +it into motion. Once motion is achieved, then periods of +external intervention are necessary to keep that object in +motion, lest it would eventually cease to move. Let's take a +large metallic ball and suspend it from a string. That ball will +just hang there until we apply the force to it to get it to move. +Once moving, we will have to continue applying an external force +to that ball to keep it moving. If we don't then that ball will +cease to move. Now all of us are not scientists, but we do know +that the ball exists since we can see it. We know that by +hitting that ball, it will move. We also know that if we do not +keep hitting that ball, it will stop moving in a short time. +Science has taken this everyday phenomenon and studied it. They +have come to the same conclusion scientifically that we have. +Now science can acknowledge this because it has been observed, +but science cannot necessarily determine why this is so. If they +had, then we would know all there is to know about perpetual +motion, but we don't. This same discussion could apply to our +existence. We know that everything around us is in motion. This +would lead us to believe, that some external force had to be +applied to get things moving. What was that external force? +Until these answers are beyond reproach, no one can say that this +is wrong and that is right. Even science cannot definitively +state that we are the products of an accident. The universe is +in motion, but what force put that process in motion. Arguments +will be that if God is responsible then who created God? But, +until we reach God, then we can only speculate. Nevertheless, +there are several viewpoints in favor of and against what I am +saying here. + + If God created us, what does that tell us about God? It +tells us that God is the Greatest Scientist around. We have been +created in a physical world with physical bodies and senses. We +know that we know we exist. Thus, God must be bound by the same +physical laws that we are, only He has the only real +understanding of these laws. We know from the Bible and other +ancient documents that have been found that throughout man's +history on earth, he has been visited by beings not of this +world, representing God and appearing to have physical bodies +just as we do. These beings, while not revealing the mysterious +meaning of life, have been instrumental in changing world events, +both directly and indirectly. These beings have been referred to +as angels. Recently, I utilized my computer to count the +occurrences of angels in the Bible. Using Today's English +Version, I referenced the word 'angel' and came up with over 400 +occurrences of the word in the entire Bible. Thus, it would seem +that there were angels reported quite a bit in the Bible. Where +does this all fit in with the modern world? Many will say that +the Bible is a collection of mythological tales designed to +symbolize something moral, etc. Yet, the Bible is historically +correct. There have been cataclysms on this earth that were +recounted in the Bible. There are events that are recounted in +the Bible that are historically correct. How could a book of +mythology be correct historically unless these events that we +call myth actually did occur? Aside from the Bible, there are +ancient documents that recount flying shields and strange +visitors interacting with earth people. What about our modern +world? Are we to say that the hundreds, even thousands of people +that claim they have been abducted are the result of mythological +beings? If this be true, then we are all victims of this biggest +hoax to befall us in the 20th century. + +Below follows an excerpt taken from the Pseudepigrapha's First +Book of Enoch. As some may recall, Enoch was the seventh +descendant of Adam and as Genesis 5:24 recounts, '...Enoch walked +with God. Then he vanished because God took him...'. Most +scholars agree that this work was written in both Hebrew and +Aramaic, Aramaic being the language that Jesus spoke. As you +read this, recall the modern abductions that have been taking +place. + + The Fall Of Angels + +6 In those days, when the children of man had +multiplied, it happened that there were born +unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. +And the angels, the children of heaven, saw +them and desired them; and they said to one +another, "Come, let us choose wives for +ourselves from among the daughters of man and +beget us children." And Semyaz, being their +leader, said unto them, "I fear that perhaps +you will not consent that this deed should be +done, and I alone will become (responsible) +for this great sin."But they all responded to +him, "Let us all swear an oath and bind +everyone among us by a curse not to abandon +this suggestion but to do the deed." Then they +all swore together and bound one another by +(the curse). And they were altogether two +hundred; and they descended into 'Ardos, which +is the summit of Hermon. And they called the +mount Armon, for they swore and bound one +another by a curse. And their names are as +follows: Semyaz, the leader of Arakeb, +Rame'el, Tam'el, Ram'el, Dan'el, Ezeqel, +Baraqyal, As'el, Armaros, Batar'el, Anan'el, +Zaqe'el, Sasomasp w e'el, Kestar'el, Tur'el, +Yamayol, and Arazyal. These are their chiefs +of tens and of all the others with them. + +7 and they took wives unto themselves, and +everyone (respectively) chose one woman for +himself, and they began to go unto them. And +they taught them magical medicine, +incantations, the cutting of roots, and taught +them (about) plants. And the woman became +pregnant and gave birth to great giants whose +heights were three hundred cubits. These +(giants) consumed the produce of all the +people until the people detested feeding them. +So the giants turned against (the people) in +order to eat them. And they began to sin +against birds, wild bests, reptiles, and fish. +And their flesh was devoured the one by the +other, and they drank blood. And then the +earth brought an accusation against the +oppressors. + +8 And Azaz'el taught the people (the art of) +making swords and knives, and shields, and +breastplates; and he showed to their chosen +ones bracelets, decorations, (shadowing of the +eye with antimony, ornamentation, the +beautifying of the eyelids, all kinds of +precious stones, and all coloring tinctures +and alchemy. And there were many wicked ones +and they committed adultery and erred, and all +their conduct became corrupt. Amasras taught +incantation and the cutting of roots; and +Armaros the resolving of incantations; and +Baraqyal astrology, and Kokarer'el (the +knowledge of) the signs, and Tam'el taught the +seeing of the stars, and Asder'el taught the +course of the moon as well as the deception of +man. And (the people) cried and their voice +reached unto heaven. + +9 Then Michael, Surafel, and Gabriel observed +carefully from the sky and the saw much blood +being shed upon the earth,and all the +oppression being wrought upon the earth. and +they said to one another, "the earth, (from) +her empty (foundation), has brought the cry of +their voice unto the gates of heaven. And +now,(o) holy ones of heaven, the souls of +people are putting their case before you +pleading, `Bring our judgment before the Most +High.' " And they said to the lord of the +potentates, "For he is the Lord of lords, and +the God of gods, and the King of kings, and +the seat of his glory (stands) throughout all +the generations of the world. Your name is +holy, bless, and glorious throughout the whole +world. You have made everything and with you +is the authority for everything. Everything is +naked and open before your sight, and you see +everything; and there is nothing which can +hide itself from you. You see what Azaz'el has +done; how he has taught all (forms of) +oppression upon the earth. And they revealed +eternal secrets which are performed in heaven +(and which) man learned. (Moreover) Semyaz, to +whom you have given power to rule over his +companions, co-operating, they went in unto +the daughters of the people on earth, and they +lay together with them-with those women-and +defiled themselves, and revealed to them every +(kind of) sin. As for the women, they gave +birth to giants to the degree that the whole +earth was filled with blood and oppression. +And now behold, the Holy One will cry, and +those who have died will bring their suit up +to the gate of heaven. Their groaning has +ascended (into heaven), but they could not get +out from before the face of the oppression +that is being wrought on earth. And you know +everything (even) before it came to existence, +and you see (this thing) (but) you do not tell +us what is proper for us that we may do +regarding it. + +10 And then spoke the Most High, the Great +and Holy One! And he sent Asuryal to the son +of Lamech,(saying), "Tell him in my name, +'Hide yourself!' and reveal to him the end of +what is coming; for the earth and everything +will be destroyed. And the Deluge is about to +come upon all the earth; and all that is in it +will be destroyed. And now instruct him in +order that he may flee, and his seed will be +preserved for all generations." And secondly +the Lord said to Raphael, "Bind Aza"el hand +and foot (and) throw him into the darkness!" +And he made a hole in the desert which was in +Duda'el and cast him there; he threw on top of +him rugged and sharp rocks. bAnd he covered +his face in order that he may not see light, +and in order that he may be sent into the fire +on the great day of judgment. And give life to +the earth which the angels have corrupted. And +he will proclaim life for the earth: that he +is giving life to her. And all the children of +the people will not perish through all the +secrets (of the angels)," which they taught to +their sons. And the whole earth has been +corrupted by Azaz'el's teaching of his (own) +actions; and write upon him all sin. And to +Gabriel the lord said," Proceed against the +bastards and the reprobates and against the +children of adultery; and destroy the children +of adultery and expel the children of the +Watchers from among the people. And send them +against one another (so that) they may be +destroyed in the fight, for length of days +have they not. They will beg you everything- +for their fathers on behalf of themselves- +because they hope to live an eternal life. +(They hope) that each one of them will live a +period of five hundred years." And to Michael +God said,"Make known to Semyaz and the others +who are with him, who fornicated with the +women that they will die together with them in +all their defilement. And when they and all +their children have battled with each other, +and when they have seen the destruction of +their beloved ones, bind them for seventy +generations underneath the rocks of the ground +until the day of their judgment and and of +their consummation,until the eternal judgment +is concluded. in those days they will lead +them into the bottom of the fire-and in +torment-in the prison (where) they will be +locked up forever. And at the time when they +will burn and die, those who collaborated with +them will be bound together with them from +henceforth unto the end of (all) generations. +And destroy all the souls of pleasure and the +children of the Watchers, for they have done +injustice to man. Destroy injustice from the +face of the earth. And every iniquitous deed +will end, and the plant of righteousness and +truth will appear forever and he will plant +joy. And then all the righteous ones will +escape; and become the living ones until they +multiply and become tens of hundreds; and all +the days of their youth and the years of their +retirement they will complete in peace. And in +those days the whole earth will be worked in +righteousness, all of her planted with trees, +and will find blessing. And they shall plant +pleasant trees upon her-vines. And he who +plants a vine upon her will produce wine for +plenitude. and every seed that is sown on her, +one measure will yield a thousand (measures) +and one measure of olives will yield ten +measures of presses of oil. And you cleanse +the earth from all injustice, and from all +defilement, and from all oppression, and from +all sin, and from all iniquity which is being +done on earth; remove them from the earth. And +all the children of the people will become +righteous, and nations shall worship and bless +me; and they will all prostrate themselves to +me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all +pollution, and from all sin, and from all +plague, and from all suffering; and it shall +not happen again that I shall send (these) +upon the earth from generation to generation +and forever. + +11 "And in those days I shall open the +storerooms of blessing which are in the +heavens, so they I shall send them down upon +the earth, over the work and the toil of the +children of man. And peace and truth shall +become partners together in all the days of +the world, and in all the generations of the +world." + + Quite an incredible story. Budd Hopkins is the leading +researcher on human abductions. He has worked with many people +that claim that they have been abducted by strange creatures and +were made to helplessly watch as these creatures probed and +prodded at their bodies. There have even been reports of +insemination and a victim meeting with a child that she feels was +her child, but was fathered by an alien. As the above story +goes, could there have been genetic engineering as long as 6000 +years ago? Seems quite suspect to me. If so, why? Are these +creatures somehow tied to who we perceive to be God? Are they +the fallen angels associated with Lucifer, the one supreme angel +that rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven by Michael, +the famous Archangel? These beings, if they are capable of +having sexual intercourse with earthlings, must have a physical +body. Could there exist out in the vast expanse of universe, a +whole world devoted to the creatures spoken of in the Bible? +Perhaps, they had been appointed as Watchers over the human race +and violated a sacred oath not to interfere with us, but to +guide us in our maturation process externally and quietly. +Again, one can only speculate about what they want with us. + + There are many whom I am sure will disagree with this +approach, however lest we totally deny our own existence, we must +work with what knowledge we have. The ancient peoples of this +world could not have had in mind to perpetuate a grand hoax such +as the Bible, made it historically true and expected it to last +as long as it has. I say that all things, in all parts of the +world, have a commonalty to them. The commonalty is that they +are all pieces of the big puzzle. Each piece fits intricately +with the next piece and we should not be so quick to discount +something such as this because it is based on religion. You see, +religion and science all have their nature closely intertwined. +For it was out of structured religion that we have made important +discoveries about who we are and what our purpose is. There +really cannot be one without the other. For if it is all true +that we are the product of an external force that we call God, +then science and religion will be forced to reconcile the +separation of the marriage that has been valid all these years +and has kept them apart. + +For now, though, we must continue to work together to figure this +puzzle out. We must remain open minded enough to explore all +possibilities of this phenomenon and be ready to acknowledge that +something is occurring even as this is being written that someday +will expose itself to all nations and people. + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + +Your comments and suggestions are welcomed. + +Phone our information service at (303)431-1343. We are on line +24 hours per day. + +ParaNet Omega/The NovaStar Group + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1194.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1194.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..daa9575a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1194.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,980 @@ +SUBJECT: LINDA MURPHY EXAMINES VARIOUS SUBJECTS FILE: UFO1194 + + +File created by Linda Murphy (C) NEXUS June 18, 1989 +Another Viewpoint: WHAT STARTED WORLD WAR II? A response to the Fencwick +interview. + + +In the FENWICK.TXT file, an Interview done by Tom Mickus last year, created +some rather unusual repercusions in the UFO community, Fenwick talks about +Hitler and WW 2. Let's look at a couple of excerpts from the lengthy interview. + +1) "We talked about things other than UFOlogy for most of the time. As we left +the property...we were about 35-40 feet away from Bob, and he called out to us. +[and] he made this statement...and we wrote it down in the car, 'What was the +cause of WWII?' He had been told...,the classified information about +programming of Hitler..to cause WW II. And we did an article about the case, +with the exception of that statement. As we thought it didn't fit in." + +2) "We also discussed why the aliens view the human's as a "failed experiment". + +3) "When referring to the programming of Hitler by the EBE's, which in effect +caused WW II (the decision of one man)...." + + This, to this individual was a very deep statement -- and it was literally +glossed over, and I believe very few really looked at in in any great depth. +Why? Because it appeared to be so "off the wall". At certain intervals durring +the interveiw, Fenwick is having a difficult time attempting to express the +situation as he perceives it. My first impulse, prior to even being involved +with ParaNet was to get down to the heart of the matter, and challenge Fenwick +in the claims he made. But I didn't (Tom's board went down). Although his +interview seems so highly "unusual", I have perceived some things in the +interview which play a major undercurrent in the entire UFO scenario. There are +constant dredgings of the Hitler programming theme followed with various +religious implications. Yet nobody has offered to look directly into the +motivation behind Hitler, and the belief systems which pushed Hitler and other +Europeans onward. + + In order to gain any benefit from this file, although their may be +mentionings of many things such as Judeo/Christians, Aryans, Nazi's, it is +important to view these things as a motivational factor which drive men to do +the things they do. There are tendencies towards "blind acceptance". The word +"acceptance" itself is indicative of belief. However, "understanding" indicates +knowledge of the mechanisms behind things. All of us, who are interested in +the phenomena itself, are trying to come to an understanding... As we attempt +to understand, we are then forced to look at things from various angles. This +file is not the sum total of angles, and is only offered in an attempt to +present a small facet of the phenomena itself. + + + + Let's examine some interesting things about the Third Reich from non UFO +Sources --- and then ask ourselves, again, "WHAT Started World War II?" + + + "The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide" + + by Robert J. Lifton (C) 1986 + + +Extreme rumors spread through the camp about Block 10. Prisoners considered it +a "sinister place" of mysterious evil. There were widespread rumors that +Clauberg was conducting experiments in artificial insemination, and women were +terrified of having "monsters" implanted in their wombs. Some suriviors I spoke +to believed that those experiments actually occured. Another account had +Clauberg speaking of his intentions to carry out artificial-insemination +experiments in the future. There were also rumors of a "museum" on Block 10: +"Skulls, body parts, even mummies"; and one survivor insisted, "A friend...saw +... our Gymnasium [high school] teacher stuffed [mummified] on Block 10." +Again, anything was possible, and whatever occured there was likely to be a +manifestation of the Nazi racial claim. + + -- page 271 + +* Himmler's vision had varying gradations of abusrdity and pesudo science. For +instance, he was an ardent believer (as were Hitler and Goring) in such +expressions of mystical racism as the idea that the lost continent of Atlantis +had been the original homeland of the Aryans, and that Aryans had not evolved +from monkeys or apes like the rest of mankind but had descended to earth from +the heavens where they had been preserved in ice from the beginning of time. +Himmler, in fact, in 1937 established a meteorological division in the +Ahnenerbe (see pages 284-87) to "prove" his "cosmic-ice" theory, though +publicly the purpose of the new division was announced as developing new +techniques for long-range weather preidiction. Sympathetic to nature healing +and equally ardent critic of traditionalism and "Christian" prejudices of +establishment doctors, he could view human experimentation in concentration +camps as a form of liberation from these constraints in the name of bold +scientific innovation. + + -- footnote Page 279 + + + + + AHNENERBE (pages 284-87) + + + Anthropological Research: Specimens for a Museum + + + Block 10 played an important part in a form of "anthropological research" +that was among the most grotesque expressions of the Nazi biomedical vision. +Dr. Marie L. tells of its Aushchwitz beginnings: + + "There appeared [on block 10] a new protagonist of racial theories. He chose +his material by having naked women of all ages file ... in front of him. He +wanted to do anthropological measurements ... He had measurements of all the +parts of the body taken ad infinitum ... They were told that they had the +extraordinary good fortune to be selected, that they would leave Auscheitz to +go to an excellent camp, somewhere n Germany ... [where] they would be very +well treated, where they would be happy." + + Dr. L. had seen enough of Auschwitz to suspect the terrible truth ("I told +myself immediately,..."They are going to a museum'"), though she and others +refrained from saying so because they "lacked the courage", felt it would be +more kind to remain silent, and could not in any case be certain of their +suspicion. + + These women were taken to the concentration camp at Natzweiler, near +Strasbourg, which although not designated as an extermination camp, nonetheless +possessed its own gas chamber with the usual false showerheads as well as one +additional feature: a one-way mirror that allowed those on the outside of the +gas chamber to observe those inside. This mirror had been installed because +the gas chamber itself had been constructed as part of the necessary research +equipment. + + A prisoner doctor reported that the group of Auschwitz women (thirty - nine +of them according to their records) were given a sham phsycial examination for +reassurance, then gassed, and then the corpses were immediately transported to +the anatomy pavilion of the Strasbourg University Hospital. A French inmate, +who had to assist the project's director, SS Captain Dr. August Hirt, told how +"preservation began immediately" with the arrival of bodies that were "still +warm, the eye ... wide open and shining." There were two subsequent shipments +of men, from each of whom the left testicle had been removed and sent to Hirt's +anatomy lab. + + Hirt, a professor of anatomy, had under Himmler's instructions prepared the +cyanide salts used to kill the Auschwitz prisoners in what was the inaugrural +use of the new gas chamber. He had originally advocated in a memo to Himmler +the securing of skulls of captured "Jewish-Bolshevik commissars." The goal at +that time was to "acquire tangible scientific research material" that would +"represent ... a repulsive but typical speices of subhumanity." The memo +recommended that a "junior phsycician attatched to the Wehrmacht" first take +photographs and perform various measurements and studies on subjects while +still alive, make sure that the head is not damaged in the killing, and then +take other specific measures for preserving the head and shipping it to the +designated research institute where various studies could be performed on the +skull and brain including those of "racial classification" and "pathological +features of the skull formation." In locating two ultimate evils (Jewish and +Bolshevik) in members of that group, and anticipating specific anatomical +findings in their skulls or brains, the Nazis were acting upon the most extreme +blend of racial-biomedical and political ideology. + + But there were apparently difficulties in rounding up "Jewish-Bolshevik +commissars" and possibly in severing heads, so that it was decided to make use +of full skeletons rather than merely skulls and to collect specimens in the +place where any such task could be accomplished -- neamely, Aushwitz. It was +said that 115 people were victimized in this way, all Jews (79 men, 30 women) +with the exception of 2 Poles and 4 Central Asians. The relatively high +priority of the project is suggested by EIchmann's having been involved with +it's arrangements. The whole enterprise, bizarre even by Nazi standards, was +sponsored by the Ahnenerbe ("ancestral heritage") office of the SS, which +Himmler had created in 1939 to develop "historical" and "scientific" studies of +the "Nordic Indo-Germanic race." Ahnenerbe brought mystical concepts to science +("the unity of soul and body, mind and blood') and combined the Gestapo mission +of controlling Germany's intellectual life with Himmler's visionary ideas. It +supported projects in archeology, German racial consciousness outside of +Germany proper, and medical experiments in concentration camps. Under Himmler's +order, Ahnenerbe even came to sponsor a research program making use of Jewish +mathematicians in concentration camps to work out theoretical problems of +rocket production. Experiments in camps that it sponsored included Dr. Sigmund +Rascher's notorious research in Dachau on the effects of high altitude, in +which he wantonly killed experimantal subjects: and the still more murderous +work of Schuler in Buchenwald on typhus vaccines, in which six hundred people +were killed. + + Hirt was said to have been brought into the Ahnenerbe by a man who became +his assistant in the Strasbourg project -- Bruno Beger, an SS officer on +Himmler's personal staff who had been sent to study anthropolgy in Berlin. +Beger tended to embrace Himmler's wildest theories, and it was Beger who made +the original arrangements in Auschwitz and perhpas worte under Hirt's name the +extraordinary memo I have just quoted. + + A former ardent Nazi, who remembered Hirt as a good friend and colleague +during their days together as young instructors at a leading German medical +center, described him as originally Swiss but a naturalized German, "a Nordic +type with blue eyes and fair hair," an honorable and stable man even if at +times a "bit impulsive," and an excellent anatomist with a promising academic +career. A colleague of my own in the United States, however, who had studied +under Hirt, remembered him as a very arrogant and threatening Nazi. In any +case, there is no dout about either Hirt's passionate Nazi involvement or the +centrality of the Nazi biomedical vision in his participation in the "museum" +project, even if Beger was its driving force. (Pricesly that centrality was +what Hirt's old friend wished to deny in his insisence that Hirt's entire +behavior could be understood as an expression of the callouseness of the +anatomist.) + + Toward the end of the war, there was apparently some confusion about +whether and how much to continue with research procedures, and eventually the +evidence was ordered to be destroyed. But that process could not be completed, +and French forces liberating Strasbourg found in Hirt's dissection room "many +wholly unprocessed corpses," many "partly-processed corpses," and a few that +had been "defleshed ... late in 1944," and their heads burned to avoid any +possibility of identification -- with "special care taken to remove the number +tattooed on the left forearm." Hirt himself disappeared at that time and is now +known to have killed himself shortly aferward. + + This museum project is remarkable for its merging of Himmler's racial vision +with highly concrete, pseudo-scientific anthropoligical (Beger) and medical +(Hirt) participation -- all a logical outgrowth of the Nazi biological and +political mentality. + + --------------------- + + +I ran across this book, just by chance at the local Mall. I happened to just +open the book up to the above chapter dealing with Ananarbe. It rather stuck in +my mind for several various reasons. First of all, the mood generated by the +accounts of what occured at the Museum reminded me of abductee horror stories +about body parts, examinations, genetic experiments. + +Also, it appeared that the SS Museum was an inactment at the objective level of +the subjective experience that many abductees report. The "High Strangeness" +brought to a reality, in order to correct a "failed experiment" (inferior +humans, as viewed through the eyes of the Nazis). The "High Strangeness" is +brought out in numerous publications. Whitley Strieber had written about it in +his "Communion". Bud Hopkins utilizes it to demonstrate what he feels, to be +continual contact by alien intelligences. The Lear/Cooper camp creates the +scenarios of alien undergound bases, collection of human specimens, +mutilations, and the governments knowledge of these "secret pacts" and their +desire to hide them from American citizens. Invaribaly, something "spiritual" +always occur to these individuals who have had the experience. Then Fenwick and +prior to him, the JWHITE files were circulated. Check your "local" ParaNet +board for them, if you choose to research into this further. + + +Does this neccessarily, however, prove that Hitler was programmed by EBE's? If +we think along the lines in which Lear would like us to think, and Fenwick +expands upon, we could almost imagine that our government made a pact with +Lucifer in exchange for technology, and saw the error of their way too late. +The exchange, would be the "souls" of American Citizens, and of course, with a +country which boasts of the Motto "In God We Trust", indeed would merit the +effort to coverup the situation at all costs. It would be rather embarrasing to +admit that a country which has such claims as The United States does, in +regards to it's relationship with it's God, that it could conceivably be so +decieved, as to imagine these "aliens" as being true representatives of God. +However, if one were to look at it from a logical point of view, if there were +to be influence exherted over the world, the United States would be the best +place to "set up reconnaissance" zones, as it does have the resources available +to achieve various ends, along with the afforded "freedoms" to allow the +operation to continue without notice. It would be ironic to discover that +these freedoms could very well be the tool which these "aliens" are utilizing +to gain a good grip in our social structures. + +What I find highly interesting about what Fenwick has to say about Hitler, is +the programming of Hitler. Was Hitler programmed? Or could he have been +mesmerized by a belief system that was growing in great proportion durring that +era? + +The 1800's had some rather intriguing events in it. Durring that era, fresh +from the termoil the "Middle Ages" spawned, with full emergence from control +over a ruling theocratic organization that did everything within it's power to +bring things under subjection in the "Name of God", politicaly, religiously, +and including the ability to freely exchange knowledge, what occured appears to +be somewhat natural, in regards to the emergance of "Freedom of Speech and +Expression of THoughts". Led to extremes, like children who are suddenly +released from two weeks of being grounded, what resulted? Confusion, chaos, +war, and bloodshed. Anger towards "god" (which in reality was earthly +institutions) Rebellion against this conflict inspired Marx. It also brought +"metaphysics" and "secret societies" more into the open. Men were once again +allowed the freedom to grow in the exchange of information, along with the +development of sciences without fear of being placed under an edict, or drug +before the Inquisitors for heretic behaviour. Many theologens, philosophers and +social psychologist look back upon this era as the "beginning of the end". +Theologins blame philosophy for the degredation of society, yet, on the other +hand, the philosophers blamed the theologins for suppression. These conflicts +continue today, just as they did then. Things have not changed. + +In the United States, great religious revivals were spawned. Of these, most +noteably, was Brigham Young who led his followers through the wilderness to +Utah. Durring this era a group of Bible students were waiting for the physical +arrival of the "prophets" of old, (these later became the Jehovah's Witnesses). +The 7th day Adventist Movement begun, and Protestentism begun to flourish, +bringing with it Democracy, and it's economical and political way of life which +transformed the world into what it is today. Durring this era, the occult +explosion hit America, and durring this time, H.P. Blavasky organized the +Theosophical Society. Many could state that this is the beginning, but is it? +To look for absolutes would be an encyclopediac undertaking, and cannot be +achieved within a single file! So we will content ourselves with this era, +since it itself appears to play an important factor in the minds of many who +create the phenomena scenario we are presented with today. From LEAR in the +prelude to his file, to George Hunt Williamson who claimed the "Visitants" +had been attempting to indoctrinate the world to a new way of life since the +1800's. (Road In The Sky (C) 1959 p.246). + +The curiosity of the world was limitless, as archeological digs begun, in +efforts to understand many mysteries that could otherwise not be explained. The +pyramids became popular durring that era, the phenomena of the South American +Empires, and the discovery that Europe, Africa, China and India where not the +sum total of what had been at one time great civilizations. Durring all of this +exploration, they discovered many common things which then created more wonder +as to wether or not the things they were led to believe in were actually true. + +Old legends led many to wonder, just what occured in the past. Under Blavasky's +funding, a Mr. James Churchwald set out on a quest to discover just what the +"true religion" may have been. From here, tales of Mu, Lamaria, and Atlantis +came to the fore. These inquiries always led to some speculation that the +United States could very well have been the "Motherland" which was laid waiste +due to some ancient catastrophy. + +We could, politicaly, and moraly, based upon our own standards, view the system +which motivated Hitler as brutal, barbaric, and uncalled for. Yet, we fail to +see that this very type of religious motivation is the medium which drives +the MidEastern terrorists in vindicating themselves in the name of Allah, their +God. This type of zeal pushed the Inquisitors foreward in mass killings in +order to purge the land of "infidels" -- the psychology of a Jihid is very +powerful and the Islamic Jihid is the very bases for the Dune science fiction +story. The power behind a drug, a belief system, and politics. All drawn into +one event, to drive the hearts of men onward to do deeds in the name of their +god. If we strip away the politics of WW II, and look at the mood of the era +which created the politics, one can wonder, just what started World War II? And +where is the blame? And can we safely assume that Hitler was the single +proginitor of the war? Close examination shows otherwise. + +What is very interesting about this point in time in history (1800's), is the +open investigation of mesmerism, along with the rapid advance in electricity. +Durring this era, the usage of drugs was common. Many things were allowed due +to not fully knowing the full consequences of what could happen. These early +efforts could be equaited with irresponsible children playing with things they +ought not to because they didn't understand them. The cause and effect, were +still under investigation. Things were done, just to see what would happen. +Many things were attempted in efforts to understand something. However, this +does not mean that they did not realize the effect --- Durring this time, the +effect would be ignored usually with a motivation in order to understand. +Today, we can think in terms of "mad scientists" doing all kinds of crazy +experiments --- yet, these very things are the price we pay for advancement. We +can say that we owe much to science. A debt. It is, however, a point of view, +as to what this debt is and how it is being paid. The "Mad Scientists" of today +are not the Boris Karloff grade B 1950's type. Today, they could very well be +with us.... in the guise of "National Security", or perhaps "subversive +activists". + +Today we have rumors and tales of Telsa, and his radio-magnetic energies. +Today, we have settled for the form of electricity which we use in our homes. +Today, we are being led to believe that Telsa's inventions were ridiculed and +set aside, but there could be another very real possibility in why Telsa's +achievments have never made it very far in the world of consumers. There is a +great possibility that Telsa's discoveries had unusual effects upon the human +mind, and with knowledge of this, kept "under wraps" and never made available +for the consumers of energy and power. We know electromagnetics exist, yet we +also know it is not utilized at the consumer level. My first question is, "What +happened with Telsa technology? And just how widely was it used? Many things +back in this era were utilized to "enhance" occult powers. There is a great +coincidence in the rise of electricity, preoccupation with "magnetics", and the +sudden increase in "occult" powers. Can we state that the "aliens" gave us our +technology? Or is there per chance that we created the situation due to our +technological advances? There is a tendency for all "contact" to be in +accordance with the advances of the decade. + + +Techno Drugs? + +In December 1988 issue of OMNI Magazine, the article entitled "Transending +Science" deals with investigation of the TM experience. One excerpt of the +article which was highly interesting, was Persingers work, in which he created +a helmet, in which a computer was utilized to "contour" the electromagnetic +forces which in turn manipulated the brain wave patterns of the temporal lobes. +With this experiment, he discovered that with little effort, the subjects in +the research could then be, with consistancy, brought into a subjective state +in which they were then experiencing the abductee scene. It also took very +little effort for Persinger to produce a UFO sighting. + +To determin the consistancy of this effect, he determined that it was more +readily to occur while the individual was being subjected to the +electromagnetic influence of the helmet. He also discovered that the +participants found the experience highly pleasurable, and they wanted more. He +also found that with very little effort after several sessions, tonal sounds, +or various symbols would then put these subjects into the TM state without any +effort on their part. In other words, Persinger indicated that with +electromagnetics, it was possible to take different people and get them to see +similar things while in the TM state. + +Is it possible, that these early 20th Century Scientists, still fresh from +metaphysical schools of thoughts (which are the precursor to applied sciences) +stumbled across the above experience and utilized it in their own occult +practices? + +In another book, called "Mind Wars" (C) 1984 St. Martin's Press, Ron McRae +decided to look into the possibility of government use of "psychic powers" in +warfare. On Page 135-136, we find the following: + +"The second stage of the present psychic old war, according to Swann, is, "the +many forms of external manipulations that are known to change the interior +psychic formation of any man or woman...the most gross of these techniques was +the early form of brainwashing, where subtle suggestion was enforced and +embedded along with vicious and violent physical trauma. Since that time, +however, we now have the refined techniques known as subliminal persuasion +behavior modification and various forms of covert mind control." + +"Swann probably understates the second point. I have said little of these +techniques, in part because many are electronic and not "psychic" in the +gernerally understood sense, in part because little information is available, +and in part for another reason -- security. + +"There is, according to the best sources, a real threat in the electronic +manipulation of the human mind. The possibility arose from research that +attempted to explain telepathy electrognetically. Unfortunately, although the +researchers did not discover, as they sought, that thoughts could influence +long-range electromagnetic radiation, they did discover that long-range +electromagnetic radiation might influence the mind." + +"According to Barbara Honegger, "the fundamental reason for the increased +interest" in psychic warfare, and the area where the Pentagon spends most of +its estimated six-million-dollar annual budget for psychic or related research, +"is initial results coming out of laboratories in the United States and Canada +that certain amplitude and frequency combinations of external electromagnetic +radiation in the brain-wave frequency range are capable of bypasing the +external sensory mechanism of organisms, including humans, and directly +stimulating higher-level neuronal structures in the brain. This electronic +simulation is known to produce mental changes at a distance, including +hallucinations in various sensory modalities, particularly auditory." + + ---------------- + +When did these inquiries begin? As early as the 50's? 40's? 30's? Or should we +move it back even further? And, is there the slightest possibility that +electromagnetics in conjuntion with usage of drugs, noteably LSD, at some point +in time in the past, could be a factor in "highly strange" experiences? Along +with possible body chemistries? + +A book called "The Time Tables of History: A Horizontal Linkage of People and +Events" by Bernard Grun, based upon Werner Stein's Kultufrahrplan, (C) 1982 has +some interesting "linear scientific" achievments. Including electricity. + +1819 Danish physicist Hans C. Oersted (1977 -1851) discovers electromagnetism +1821 Faraday discovers funamentals of electromagnetic rotation. +1829 American physicist John Henry (1797-1878) constructs an early version of + the electromagnetic motor. +1831 Michael Faraday (1791 - 1867) carries out a series of experiments + demonstrating the discovery of electromagnetic induction. +1831 James Clark Maxwell, Scottish Chemist who theorized (1873) that light + and and electromagnetism have identical source, born (died 1879) +1832 Faraday proposes pictorial representation of electric and magnetic lines + of force. +1833 K.F. Gauss and Wilhelm E. Wever devise the electromagnetic telegraph which + funtions over a distance of 9,000 feet. +1851 Franz Neumann Law of electromagnetic induction. +1856 Nikola Telsa b. 1856 (d. 1943) +1865 Clerk Maxwell "Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" +1873 James Clark Maxwell "Electricity and Magnetism" +1888 Heinrich Hertz and Olviver Lodge independently indentify radio waves as + belonging to same family as light waves. +1888 Nikola Telsa constructs electric motor (manufactured by Westinghouse) +1896 Ernest Rutherford megnetic detection of electrical waves. +1899 First magnetic recordings of sound. +1902 Oliver Heavside, English physicist, states the existence of an atmospheric + layer which aids the conduction of radio waves. +1904 Sir John Fleming uses thermoinic tube to gernerate radio waves. +1910 J.J. Thomsons work on deflection of "positive rays" in magnetic field. + +(there are, of course, numerous mentionings of various works done in regards to +electricity -- these, I highlighted. Reference the book for complete linier +progress of technology durring the era). + +Back in the 50's, when UFO invasion appeared absolute in the minds of millions +of Americans, there arose the UFO Prophets. Of the literature that I have read +about these prophets, the works of Howard Menger's "From Outer Space" (C) 1959, +and George Hunt Williamson's "Road In The Sky" (C) 1958, contain some +interesting information. Even though these were considered after the passage of +time a "hoax", there messages are thriving quite well these days. Menger, +specificaly brought some interesting points up durring a Question and Answer +session at the end of his book on Page 163. (For complete Question/Answer +session in Menger's book, refer to MENGER.) + +The question is: + +"How are the visitors trying to raise the mass consciousness of the people?" + +Menger answers with: + + A. By various methods such as: + a. Dissemination of saucer research data. + b. Stories of contacts with their own. + c. Their signs in the sky. + d. Mechanically by means of mental capsulation and machines. + + Mental capsulation can be projected by sound, color, vibration. A +high-frequency sound can be a mental capsulation; a song or a selection of +music can be a mental capsulation. + + The machines which send out super-sonic high frequency sounds use a man's +body as a terminal in conjunction with the mental capsulation. Ther are three +terminal bodies in each state, The machines now operate on a silent carrier +wave. + + --------------- + + Now, let's skip back a few pages and review Mengers reactions when he was +given these "devices" by the "Space Brothers". On page 62 Menger writes: + + "Then they talked further of their many contacts all over the world and my +job in particular." + + "One of my tasks was the mental assistance of individuals often without +their knowledge. Such could be accomplished by soun-frequency waves, light +waves, the use of colors and other physical means. I had alays thought of such +matters as being accomplished in some supernatural manner; but I was rapidly +learning that the Infinite Creator accomplished all purposes by natural laws." + + "'Do not think of this as some artificial control of the human brain,' one of +the men said, "as you may see in some of those horrifying science-fiction +pictures -- though I must confess that he (and he indicated the other man) and +I aw two of them on a double picture (I assume he meant to say 'double +feature') and rather enjoyed them. We do not control the brain. Such an action +is not in keeping with the laws of the Infinite Creator. Instead, with +theproper instruments and techniques, you can accomplish a much larger purpose: +YOU CAN RELEASE SOMTHING IN THE BRAIN WHICH IS ALREADY THERE.'' + + "The instruments in the car accomplished such tasks. I would be asked to +place them in four states: New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland. +With each intrusment would be aman or woman who would act as a human terminal +in conjunction with the machine. These people would react according to their +own individual brain development with the assistance of the impulses received +by the machines." + + "I didn't quite understand how it was to work, but it seemed they were +trying to get across that it was necessary to have both the machine and the +human mind working in conjunction to accomplish such a purpose." + + "'A central location will be established for each instrusment. The range of +each instrument is about 25 miles.'" + + "'After you place these instruments, Howard, you will notice an immediate +and obvious effect. People within a raius of 25 miles of each instrument will +automatically become more aware of and conscious of their interest in space +travel and in our space crage. They will see more of our craft because they +will be loOking up. Then when these people hear of your experiences, they will +be inspired to come to you and offer to help you in any way they can." + + "They had already established many bases. The one in New Jersey was, they +said, within 15 miles of my home, totally unknown to anyone, except, of course, +those of this planet who had been working with the space people for many +years." + ------------ + + Points to ponder. In the OMNI article on Persinger's work, it demonstrates +that their are particular images which are consistant in the laboratory when +exposed to electromagnetics. Is there a slight possibility, that perhaps an +early form of electromagnetics was utilized to influence these individuals? +Today, it is said, these "beams" are coming from outer space. Then, they were +down on earth. They appear to be proportional to the technological advances of +the day. Remember, Menger utilized BOLD CAPS himself, within his book when he +said + + "YOU CAN RELEASE SOMTHING IN THE BRAIN WHICH IS ALREADY THERE" + + + Of interest also, in Persingers research, is the ability to get people to +see UFO's while under the influence of the electromagnetic helmet. + + In the book "Flying Saucers: Serious Business", (C) 1966 Frank Edwards has +as a preface the following quote: + + "Flying Saucers exist only in the imaginations of the viewers." + + -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower + December 16, 1954 + +I ask, could this be literaly true? In light of possibilities in which such +objects can be conjured from the dark recesses of the subjective mind on a +consistant bases from the volunteers in research clinics, could we dismiss the +possibility that Eisenhower was telling the truth? And could it be possible +that the use of "imaginary" means the Government knew that they were not real? +Could it possibily be true that the Condon report was true? Can it be, we are +looking in the wrong place for the answers. And possibly the Government feels +more comfortable with us thinking UFO's and aliens are responsible for the +"intrusions"? If so, why would they wish to hide it? + + +In the book "Mind Wars" McRea then writes, on pages 116-117: + +"According to Langley-Porter's Alan Gevins, who is generally cautious and +skeptical of psychic claims, the reality may be worse. Extremely low frequency +radiation (ELF), which the navy has proposed as a submarine communication +system because the thousand-mile long wave forms are unobstructed by water, +might be capable of shutting off the brain, killing everyone in 10 thousand +square mile or larger target area. 'No one paid any attention to the biological +effects of ELF for years," says Gevins, "because the power levels are so low. +Then we realized that because the power levels are so low, the brain could +mistake the outside signal for its own, mimic it [a process known as +bioelectric entrainment], and respond when it changes.'" + +"It is possible the Soviets have actually tested this technique. The microwaves +beamed at the U.S. embassy in Moscow might have been a test. The navy is still +investigating an even more ominous possibility -- a rash of aircraft carrier +crashes in 1980 and 1981 might have been caused by electromagnetic waves beamed +at incoming pilots from the Soviet spy ships tha shadow the U.S. fleet. Even a +tiny uncertainty, electronically induced at the last critical second before an +aircraft touches down on the pitching deck of a carrier, might cause disaster." + +"I must stress that these results and speculations are tentative. Ther is no +reason for panic, and the United States has INVESTED adequate resources to +INVESTIGATION OF THE PROBLEM. There is no need for a psychic Manhatten +Project." [bold caps inserted]. + + --------------- + + Here we are told the United States has invested adequate resources to +investigate the problem. In other words, can we then assume that a problem has +been noted? At what level of investigation has the government undertaken in +looking into the problem, and is it dealing with just the ELF situation? Or is +there more? And what is the problem? Which agency, then, would be utilized? +Could it possibly be HEW? (Health, Education and Welfare). In the past, the +record of HEW's involvment with past experimentation seems to have been more +then just lightly involved. By 1971 the court dockets were crowded with +lawsuits filed on behalf of the "human guinea pigs" who were victims of +research. + + The U.S. Congress, Senate, The Staff of the Subcommittee on Constitutional +Rights, Committee on the Judiciary, "Individual RIghts and the Federal ROle in +Behavior Modification", 93rd Congress, 2nd Session, Novemeber, 1974 was chaired +by Senator Sam Ervin. It was largely ignored by the press, yet it revealed some +interesting information. The report disclosed that thirteen projects were run +by the Defense Department; the Department of Labor had conducted several +experiments; the National Science Foundation conducted a "substantial amount of +research dealing with understanding of human behavior"; even the Vetrens' +Administration participated in psychosurgery experiments, which, in many cases, +were nothing more than an advanced form of lobotomy. + + One of the largest supporter of "behaior research" was the Department of +Health, Education and Welfare, and its subagency the National Insitute of +Mental Health. The subcommittee said that HEW had participated in a "very large +number of projects dealing with the control and alteration of human behavior." +Largest of all the supporters of behavior modification was the Law Enforcement +Assistance Administration (LEAA) which, under the Department of Justice, funded +hundreds of behavior modification experiments. + +In 1975 the Rockefeller Report to the President on CIA Activities was released. +Shortly there after, the Owens family were informed that their father Dr. Frank +Owens did not die of suicide, in 1953, but that he had been administered LSD +without his knowledge, and his death was concealed due to "National Security". +The Rockefeller Report also contains information which, in 1973, a total of 152 +seperate files were ordered destroyed by the CIA. It is rather interesting, as +the type of death that Ownes suffered, is high in similarity to the death of +General James V. Forrestal, who also jumped to his death from a 16th story +hospital window. It is said that Truman had quickly put the lid on the secret +and turned the screws so tight that the general public still thinks that flying +saucers are a joke. Lear then claims that Forrester's medical records are +sealed to this day. Is there a possibility that Forrester could have been one +of these "earlier" victims? Is it possible that due to this, Forrester's +records are sealed? Why would they be sealed to this day, if it was "just a +suicide"? Unless, of course, there is a need to coverup what CAUSED the +suicide. Simple statements about "alien invasions" should NOT be accepted as +being something that needs to be sealed, unless there was is a desire to hide +the cause of death due to the interest of "National Security". + +(The Owens settlement can be found in Senate S.B. 3035) + +With the possibility of LSD the cause of Forrester's death, some may think it +may have not been manufactured early enough to effect the era we are +considering. However, it was being manufactured by Sandoz Laboratories since +1938, and accidently ingested by Hoffman in 1943. In 1950 it was introduced to +American Psychiatrists. These things are being brought up in order to +demonstrate that there have been capabilities on the Government's part to +coverup. To some, this may appear to be unrelated and very disjointed, but it +is being related to make a point. There is a slight possibility that some of +the things that have been "uncovered" in the past could be directly related to +things we are trying to "uncover today". + +Remember what the OMNI article states about how easy it is to utilize tonal +sounds, symbols or colors to put one back into such a state? How then, does +Menger describe the encapsulation method? Is there some fact in what Menger +states in light of current clinical research? + +In the OMNI article, and other articles dealing with the abductee scenario, +great care and concern are utilized to determin just how the experience is +affected by audio/visual material, such as TV, the media, reading material, +etc. But then, if we reflect upon what Menger states, what if the dissimination +of information of contact with "our kind" has some merit? Is there some truth +in this, and can we look at it as LEAR would like to have us believe, that we +are being fed propoganda from various levels in order to solidify this +acceptance? The same line of thinking which begun in the 50's continues with us +today. Look at the following paragraphs garnered from Brad Steigers book +"Fellowship" (C) 1988, Ivy Books, and see if the "thread" still holds true +today, as it did back in the 50's. + + +Page 85 (From Mark-Age Channeling Session) + +Each one is assigned, in a sense, to a certain individual upon the Earth planet +at this time. We are alerted by the various methods we have of mind control in +electonics and magnetic equipment -- terms which we use for your convenience +which really do not explain our equipment -- and through these means, we know +your present development. + +Page 98 (From Space Being OX-HO) + +"America right now is feeling the effect of the Karmic pattern of the Atlantean +culture. Your young people are Atlanteans reborn to once again work out their +Karma. They are filled to overflowing with the knowledge of the great +civilization of Atlantis. Their arts and their scientific technology is greater +than ever before, and you will begin to see this more and more distinctly." + +Page 52 PRINCIPLES OF THE SOLAR LIGHT CENTER + +1. Belief in an Infinite Creator (the All-Knowing-One, of the Space Beings) and +in the Cosmic Christ, the Spritual heirarchy, and the Great White Brotherhood. + +The message today, is the same as yesterday. Are we being fooled by the +government itself, or some belief system which transends our political systems? +And are these really spiritual entities, human agencies, or combination of +both? + + As of late, certain groups have been complaining that the United States has +been "jamming their transmissions". If this is true, then the government is +well aware of some type of influence being exerted over our airwaves and are +attempting to stop it. If this is true, and due to the nature of such +possibilities, they would not wish to have the American citizens know that such +a thing would exist. And so, they would then attempt to "jam" the frequencies +in an effort to counteract the effect. In fact, there were, in some circles, +threats issued, that if the government did NOT stop the "war would begin". What +would this entail? Short circuiting of brainwave patterns to create utter +chaos? It is indeed rather ominous to think, that such a war could be fought +with such intensity without our even knowing what on earth is going on. + + +If we are being "manipulated" in any manner, is our government aware of it? +Sometimes I wonder, although we may look back at the extremes of the McCarthy +era, and the blacklisting of entertainers, screewriters and etc., if there +could have been real reasoning behind the power of the media? We can now think +of it as extremes, today, but then could there have been "hints" of concerns +we are not aware of? + +Were there or are their indications that the idealisms which "created and +programmed" Hitler spread beyond Europe? Various writers have brought out that +yes, indeed these thoughts were not confined to Germany and the surrounding +immediate areas. + + +"The Legacy of The Gods" + Robert Charroux + Translated into english (C) 1974 by Berkley Publishing Corporation + Original (C) 1964 by Robert Laffont, Inc. + +After their defeat in 1918 a few Germans, initiated into infernal occultism and +intoxicated with racist pretensions, reorganized the Aryan society that became +all the more secret becuase it was outside the law in all parts of the world. +Their goal was to create a superior race; that is, a privelaged people who +would subjegate and rule the rest of the world. + +In his successful book, "The Myth of The Twentieth Century", published in 1930, +the talented writer Alfred Rosenberg stated the laws and philosophy of the +Aryan champions. "To rule the world," he said, "it is enough to have pure +blood." + +This new charter of the Aryan world was to be illustrated by rivers of blood, +countless massacres, and mountains of corpses. + +Actually, however, Rosenberg had not invented anything. Identical ideas had +been professed earlier by George Grant, Gobineau, Houston, Chamberlain, and +later, the German Ludwig Wilset, in "Origin and Prehistory of The Aryans". And +the French historian A. Pictet, in a work titled "Migrations Primitives des +Aryas" had announced the advent of the master race: "In an era before any +historical record, lost in the mists of time, a race destined by Provedence to +dominate the entire world grew little by little in its primeval cradle, +privileged above all others by beauty of blood and gifts of intelligence." + +The Thule Group was founded in 1910 by Professor Felix Niedner. Beginning in +1919, some outstanding adepts -- Baron Ungern von Sternberg, Karl Haushofer, a +disciple of Guderjieff, the writer Deitrich Eckart -- gave it a new impetus +and an emblem: the swastika, symbol of evolution, the rotation of the stars +around the pole, and the creation of fire among the Hindus. (The swastika is +actually a universal sign found amoung all peoples. It is carved on a stone +lamp in the Madeleine cave, the tablets of Glozel, the stones of Moulin Piat, +and the prehistoric ramparts of Mississippi, and it appears in the inscription +on the Newton Stone in Scotland.) + +In his book L'Europe Paienne du Vingtieme Siecle," the historian Pierre Mariel +writes that Deitrich Echart was Adolf Hitler's initiator and brought him into +the Thule group in 1922. + +Hitler was in great financial difficulties and may even have been a homeless +vagrant, but he was consumed with ambition, rancor, and sincere, frenzied +idalism. He was also somewhat clairvoyant; he served as a medium for the +conspiracy, which bacame increasingly enveloped in the mists of a dubious +occultism. + +At the same time, similar movements were devloping on the European continent. +In London, Paris, Berlin, and Rome there was clandestine publications +containing an odd mixture of anarchism, spiritualism, "traditional research," +and eroticism. + +In about 1920 the Revue Balitque appeared in France. It examined the problem +of the direct descendants of the Hyperborean ancestors: the Lithuanians, whose +writing has so many points in common with Sanskrit. + +The magazine Les Polaires (Paris, 1921) had the ambition of resucitating the +old myth of Hyperborea, but this kind of writing floursihed above all in +Germany, with Niedner's "Altnordische Dichtung und Pros," Dietrich Echart's +"Auf gut Deutch," and "Die Hanuseen Zeitung," published by the magician Eric +Jan Van Hanussen, the man who is said to have replaced Hitler as the medium of +the Thule Group, and who later became his semiofficial astrologer. + +The ORDENSBURGER + +Beginning in 1934, the Thule Group became a powerful secret society whose name +was not to be known to the public or even candidates for admission. The latter, +before their intiation, were given to understand that the organization was the +secret Teutonic Order. + +This secret order had, of course, no connection with the real Teutonic Order, +which still exists in Portugal and the Netherlands. Under the name of the +Knights of Poseidon (still the ideas of knighthood and the western ocean of +Atlantis), it has devoted itself to underseas adventure, and is surely in +comunication with the THule Group. It has been said the Knights of Poseidon +reprenst the temporal power of the German secret army, while the Thule Group is +its spiritual power. This may be true. + +There were three aspects of the education given in the Ordensburger: military, +similar to modern military and police academies; political; and occult, similar +to the doctines of Gurdjieff. (George Ivanovich Gurdjieff [1868-1949], born in +the Caucasus, was both an adventurer and an enlightened occultist. Whether he +was a miracle-worker, a secret agent, or simply a charlatan, he proagated in +Europe and America strange, murky, and fascinating doctrines that troubled many +weak minds. Perhaps he had a certain genious, but if so he was never able to +express it in his books, which are unreadable, inane, and incomprehensible. He +did, however, influence certain spiritualistic sects.) + +In a Rhineland forest, amid tall firs, stands the white impressive Vogelsang +castle which was the Ordensburg No. 1 of the THule Goup, with the main bureau +of what would now be called psychological warfare. + + ------------- + +The THULE Group itself, was rather active in world political affairs also. +Below is a small excerpt to demonstrate this from a recognized writter outside +of the UFO circls. + + +"The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" + by Robert Payne + Popular Library Paper Back Edition + (C) 1973 Page 125 + + + The reaction set in swiftly, as the extreme right gatherd its forces. The +headquarers of the reaction was the Hotel Vierjahreszeiten, where several +floors were given over to the THule Society, ostensibly a literary club devoted +to the study of Nordic culture but in fact a secret political organization +devoted to violent anti-Semitism and rule by an aristocratic elite. The name of +the organization derived from ultima THule, the unknonw northern land believed +to be the original home of the German race. The society had been founded during +the war by Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorff, whose aristocratic prensions reposed +on imaginary foundations. His real name was Rudolf Glauer, and he was the son +of a railroad engineer: he was more aristocratic than the aristocrats. He had +ingratiated himself into Munich society, large sums of monery were at this +disposal, and many of the most influential people in Munich were his disciples. +The symbol of the Thule Society was a swastika with a dagger enclosed in laurel +leaves. + +Thule agents had penetrated the government; they were especially adept at +foriegn documents and assembling cashes of arms and ammunition; they had +powerful ties with the Freikorps, or Free Corps, the private armies led by +rabid rightists, usually army officers supported by rich industrailists and +they had begun to work among the industrial proletariat, especially among the +railwaymen, because they realized that a successful counterrevolution could be +brought about only by controling the means of transportaion. They were also +working without much success on the Munich garrison troops, who continued to +sit on the fence, observing the turmoil around them with extraordinary +indifference. + +And here, a glimps at early beginnings in creating a "perfect race". + +From Page 23 , Footnote, The Nazi Doctors (C) 1986 by Robert Jay Lifton + +Fritz Lenz, a German physician-geneticist advocate of sterilization (later a +leading idealogue in the Nazi progrom of "racial hygiene"), could, in 1923, +berate his countrymen for thier backwardness in the domain of sterilzation as +compared with the United States. Lenz complained that provisions in the Weimar +Constitution (prohibiting the infliction of bodily alterations on human beings) +prevented widespread use of vasectomy techniques; that Germany had nothing to +match the eugenics research institutions in England and the United States (for +instance, that at Cold SPring Harbor, New York, led by Charles B. Davenport and +funded by the Carnegie Instituion in Washington and by Mary Harriman); and that +Germany had no equivalent to the American laws prohibiting marriage both for +people suffering from such conditions as epilepsy or mental retardation, and +between people of different races. Lenz criticized America only for focusing +too generally on preserving the "white race" instead of specifically on the +"Nordic race" -- yet was convinced that the "next round in the thousand year +fight for the life of the Nordic race will probably be fought in America." That +single reservation suggests the early German focus on a specific racial entity, +the "Nordic" or "Aryan race," however unsupported by existing knowledge. + + +There had been plenty of racial-eugenic passion in the United States, impulses +to sterilize large numbers of criminals and mental patients out of fear of +"national degenration" and of threat to the health of "the civilized races," +who were seen to be "biologically plunging downward." Associated with the +American eugenics movemnet was a biomedical vision whose exten is suggested by +the following quotation from a 1923 book by A. E. Wiggam: "The first warning +which biology gives to statesmanship is that the advanced races of mankind are +going backward; ... that civilization, as you have so far administered it, is +self-destructive; that civilization always destroyst the man that builds it; +that your vast efforts to improve man's lot, instead of imporving man, are +hastening the hour of his destruction". * + +* Footnote: In a 1932 study of the sterilization movements in the United +States, J.P. Landman spoke of "alarmist eugenics" and of "over zealous and over +ardent eugenicists" who "regard the socially inadequate persons, i.e., the +feeble-minded, the epileptics, the meantally diseased, the blind, the deformed +and the crminals as inimical to the human race ... [because] these peoples +perpetuate their deficiencies and thus threaten the quality of the ensuing +generations. It should be our aim to exterminate these undesirables, they +contend, since a nation must defend itself against national degeneration as +much as against the external foreign enemy." + + ------------- + +Can we assume that these influences are truly "alien" or "supernatural +intelligences"? Or can we really, and with great dare, question if in fact it +is a resurected belief which is posing itself for a final strike? If we can +remove the politics of the situation, and reflect upon the zeal in which +religion has moved the political formations of the world we live in, reflect +upon the many mysteries that concluded with the end of World War II, and can +look beyond Hitler, maybe something is their "in the air" waging war over the +minds of men. One can disolve political institutions, but as various belief +systems in the world have proven time immorial, it is difficult to destroy the +belief in and the practice of it. The belief itself can still survive +irregardless of what political boundries it may reside in. Including the USSR. + +There is a great trend in regards to world viewpoints of Hitler, and the +stigmatism of World War II. We cannot believe that such an individual was +spawned naturally from the genetic pools of humanity. We cannot believe that he +did not accomplish all these things alone. And we cannot dare believe that the +thinking patterns of that era were also revelent here in the United States. +Theologins would prefer to claim Hitler was Demon possessed, not laying claim +to the errors of prior religious influences which spawned the rebellion. And +could it be due to this, we skirt around valid questions? Nearly every book +written about in regards to UFO's, at some point mention the Nazi's and their +going "underground" to continue on. To think of the possibilities of this being +so, one must remove the viewpoint of a political column, and think about the +belief system which drove these onwards. These things just do not die. It may +make us feel uncomfortable to think that during the 20's, the United States was +the "leader" in eugenics which inspired Germany to increase it's own efforts +until it reached the point of biological experimental sciences, eugenics and +genocide. It may also make us feel uncomfortable to think that the "next +struggle" could be here in the United States. But do we have the courage to +examine it carefully? + +To what extent did this belief infiltrate other parts of the world? Could +there have possibly been some measure of truth in Menger's claims? Or is this +all just fabrication? He cut there hair, got them prepared to send out +into the world. He would show them where the water supplies were, where the +schools were. He said they didn't need any legal documents to remain in the +country. This took up so much of his time, he couldn't keep up with his +signpainter's business. + +Could there have been Ahnenerbe type experimentation in other parts of the +world, including the United States? What is so special about the ages of 30-40 +years old? And why has it been said more then once that the "children are very +important"? Was there an actual attempt to extend the "national heritage" to +Germans outside of Germany and Europe? We, perhaps cannot rationalize the use +of science to further a belief system. The intellect, however exists, and has +existed for centuries, in which reasoning can lead men to do these things in +order to appease their god. + +These are but a small portion of the various questions that arrise. Perhaps, +these "threads" have very little real meaning. Yet, on the other hand, they +could have real meaning. The complexities which could be built out of this, are +indeed great. But, as with all things, they must be viewed with balance. + +If there is interest in this, perhaps I will create another file. Please take +note, however, if indeed we are now being put to the test, today as it was +yesterday, it is imperative to test all "spirits" (or, things in the air). + +------------------ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1195.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1195.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7c57ee9c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1195.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +SUBJECT: PATROLMAN SEES LIGHTS IN WISCONSON SKY FILE: UFO1195 + + +Sb: APwi 01/26 Belleville UFO + + + BELLEVILLE, Wis. (AP) -- A Belleville patrolman's sighting of +strange lights in the night sky is under investigation by a +national UFO study center, the police chief said Monday. + Officer Glen Kazmar reported the red, white and blue lights to +sheriff's dispatchers who relayed the sighting to the Federal +Aviation Administration control tower in Chicago on Jan. 15, police +Chief Jack Pace said. + "He couldn't see what the lights were attached to," Pace said. +"All he saw was red, white and blue lights, wavering close +together and forming a straight line. He couldn't hear any sound." + Kazmar was off duty Monday and did not answer his home +telephone, but he told the Monroe Evening Times: "When it just +stayed in the same place, and the bright lights, then I knew it was +something that isn't normal." + Kazmar first sighted the lights about 9 p.m. and he and a +passenger, Jeff Furseth, began studying them more closely about 3 +a.m., Kazmar told the Evening Times. They watched them until nearly +daybreak, when the lights disappeared on the horizon. + The officer estimated he got within a mile of the lights, Pace +said. + Other reports of lights were received that night by sheriff's +deputies in Dane and Green counties. The FAA tower in Chicago also +said it was tracking a slowly moving object in the area, but made +no radio contact with it. + "Actually, we're not sure if what they were looking at on their +radar was what officer Kazmar saw, but it's possible," Pace said. + The sighting has been referred to the Center for UFO Studies, +which has an office in Glenview, Ill., said Sherman Larsen, a +founding director of the group. Pace said an investigator from the +center contacted him and he referred the man to Kazmar. + "Happenings in Dane County very closely correspond to a number +of sightings in the Waukesha area and Kenosha County," said Don +Schmitt, the Milwaukee man assigned by the center to investigate +Kazmar's lights. + "One matches identically to one in northern Dane County," he +said, adding he currently is investigating 11 state UFO reports. + Pace said he was a private pilot and he believed the lights +Kazmar reported didn't belong to a conventional aircraft, which +would have red, white and green lights. "Lights moving very slowly +or standing still is a little abnormal for aircraft," he added. + However, having no radio contact is normal, especially if an +aircraft is on a visual flight path, he added. + Since Kazmar's sighting and news of it spread, the six-officer +department has received several calls about UFO sightings, Pace +said. Some calls have also been made to Kazmar's home. + None of the sightings resemble what Kazmar reported and Pace +added he expects the reports to taper off. + "Eventually people will find something else to talk about," he +said. "Something else will spark their interest. New rumours will +start." + <> + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1196.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1196.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..54da68c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1196.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +SUBJECT: WHIDBEY ISLAND UFO SIGHTING 1/88 FILE: UFO1196 + + + WHIDBEY ISLAND UFO REPORT CLASSIFIED AS AN "UNKNOWN" + + After a thorough investigation of all pertinent facts, the +UFO sighting reported by Dan MacIndoe of Oak Harbor on January +21st, 1988 has been classified as a true "unknown". The Mutual +UFO Network (MUFON)--a civilian organization of trained +professionals that investigates UFO reports--has ruled out all +possible conventional explanations for the object seen by Mr. +MacIndoe, his wife, mother, mother-in-law and father-in-law, and +three-year-old daughter. + + Dan MacIndoe, age 32, an ex-Navy lieutenant with seven +years military service in the field of aviation +supply--including work assignments with the Navy's prestigious +Blue Angels squadron--was rated as an exceptionally credible +witness by the MUFON organization. + + The UFO encounter began at 10:45 p.m. on the night of +January 21st at the MacIndoe home not far from the Whidbey +Island Naval Air Station. Flight operations at Whidbey NAS had +by that time been over for 15 minutes, with the last plane +reported "on the deck" at 10:30 p.m. + + The UFO was first observed by Cornelia MacIndoe, age 72, +Dan MacIndoe's mother, who sighted a bright, orange-yellow +stationary light in the southern sky when she went outside to +smoke a cigarette. She called the entire family's attention to +the object, and together they watched as the UFO shot straight +up for approximately 3 degrees of arc from a position 25 degrees +above the horizon in the direction of the Naval Air Station. +The object then abruptly stopped, made a sharp right-angle turn +in the horizontal direction and came straight towards them. + + According to MacIndoe's account, the object covered a +distance of one and a half miles in approximately 3 seconds. As +the UFO approached the house it seemed to slow, taking +approximately 15 seconds to slowly drift directly over the heads +of the five adult witnesses and child. It disappeared from view +as it travelled in a straight path to the NNE, passing behind +some tall fir trees behind the MacIndoe house. + + While the object was passing overhead Dan MacIndoe was able +to observe the object through a 135 mm telephoto lens, and was +also able to determine that there was no sound associated with +its flight. Mr. MacIndoe described the shape of the underside +of the object as that of "a perfect circle." + + "The lights were blueish-white in nature and I estimate 15 +lights spanned the circumference of the circle. All remained on +forming a circle of 'running lights'. The lights would pulse +brighter in sequence, I believe going in a clockwise direction," +Dan MacIndoe reported. + + He went on to say, "...during the event winds were calm, +there were scattered clouds in the vicinity. We live in a rural +area. There were no sounds. During the entire episode none of +us heard the usual prop or jet noise associated with military +aircraft using the airfield. At the time the object was +directly overhead I asked my family for complete silence to +listen for engine noise. There was absolute silence." + + According to Dr. Donald Johnson, Washington State Director +for MUFON, a combination of factors were sufficient to rule out +all mundane explanations for the sighting. "The fact that this +overflight occurred in restricted military airspace, together +with the testimony of multiple witnesses, the complete lack of +sound, the observation of the unusual lighting pattern on the +object seen through magnification, and the lack of wind combine +to provide sufficient information to classify this case as an +unknown." + + "In other words, there is little possibility that the +object the MacIndoes and others reported seeing that night was a +satellite, balloon, commercial or military airplane or +helicopter, or astronomical body." The National Weather Service +and Whidbey NAS were called to confirm that there were no +weather balloons released at that time. Additionally, several +of Mr. MacIndoe's Dugualla Bay neighbors and others from as far +away as Lake Washington, Edmonds, and Bellingham called him to +report that they had also witnessed unusual lights in the sky +that evening. + + Dr. Johnson reports that the field investigation has been +evaluated by the national headquarters as complete. The +sighting was assigned a strangeness rating of four on a +five-point scale--labelled as "strange, does not conform to +known principles", and it also received a probability rating of +four on a five point scale--"credible and sound". + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1197.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1197.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..82c4c392 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1197.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +SUBJECT: WHAT'S GOING ON AT WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB ? FILE: UFO1197 + + + Wright Patterson AFB : What's Going On There? + --------------------------------------------- + + - Captain Edward Ruppelt while head of the U.S. Air Force's Air + Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) "Project Bluebook", was + stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. + + - Some believe Wright-Patterson to be a 24 hour Top Secret UFO + monitoring and research station. + + - After the July 2, 1947 crash of a UFO at Roswell, New Mexico, the + wreckage of the craft was loaded onto a B-29 and shipped directly + to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio. + + - Wright Field (as it was formerly known) was the headquarters for + the Air Materiel Command (AMC). General Nathan Twining was the + Commanding General of the AMC back in 1947. He is also implicated + as being one of the original "MJ-12" members. + + - Gun camera film taken from F-86A Sabre jets in 1953-54 was later + taken to Wright-Patterson AFB for evaluation. + + - Colonel John Burnett was the Air Attache to the Foreign Technology + Division at Wright-Pat in 1965 and met with a Captain Bruce Cathie, + a New Zealand airline pilot who related to Burnett that he had + discovered evidence for a "worldwide grid system used by UFOs". + Burnett revealed to Cathie that intensive UFO research was going + on there. In Cathie's second book he says the following..."The + scientific laboratory there, set up for the purpose, was described + as a complex of buildings covering a large area and staffed by + many of the world's top scientists. Experimental work was carried + out twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year. + + - The crash of a 100ft in diameter saucer with 16 dead aliens aboard + near Aztec, New Mexico in 1948, had its remains sent to Wright-Pat + shortly thereafter. + + - In a book by Jean-Charles Fumoux in 1981 entitled "Preuves + Scientifiques OVNI", the author relates how Leon B. Visse, an + alleged expert on histons (elements connected with cellular + genetic material) was invited in 1959 to a military compound at + Wright-Patterson AFB, where he was asked to perform an experiment + on the histonic weight of particular cells. Visse was later taken + into a special room where he viewed two humanoid corpses. + + - Leonard Stringfield contacted a former Navy test pilot known as + "P.J.", who related the story of him and several other Navy pilots + coming across a saucer-shaped aircraft which was being guarded at + Wright-Patterson AFB back in April/1962. He was puzzled by the + seeming lack of security since the object was not located in the + test facility of the AFB. + + - Tommy Blann, a researcher, interviewed a Colonel "X" who said, + "In the earlier years they had taken some bodies to this base, + but later it depended on where they were found. They had a hell + of a time setting up procedures for this operation, as well as + getting craft out of the area without it being observed. Usually + this was done at nighttime." Colonel"X" also told Blann that he + believed that in more recent years the bodies were flown outside + the U.S. to a secret naval installation on an island in the Pacific. + + - Senator Barry Goldwater was denied access into a building at Wright + Patterson AFB because it was classified above Top Secret. Goldwater + did say that he understood that a plan was underway to release all + or part of this material sometime in the future...although he didn't + know what it was, he did say that he was aware of the rumours. + + + * Note: The above was taken from Timothy Good's 1988 UFO Book + entitled "Above Top Secret". + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1198.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1198.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..44ff7bd5 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1198.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SEATTLE SIGHTING, WITNESS #1, 3/88 FILE: UFO1198 + +PART 1 + + + West Seattle, Washington UFO Report + Saturday, March 5, 1988 + + PART I: Narrative of principal witness, male, age 43 + Transcribed from notes by Dr. Donald Johnson, March 13, 1988 + + At approximately 9:30 p.m. I left the ARCO convenience + store at the southwest corner of Fauntleroy and SW Alaska St. + and noticed the object while facing east. It was "sitting" + [hovering] over towards the golf course and club house. I live + on Fauntleroy and Dawson, about 4 blocks south of Fauntleroy and + Alaska. I looked at it, then looked away then back for about 3 + or 4 seconds. It wasn't sitting on the ground, but if it had it + would have crushed the clubhouse, because it would have been + right over it. [Later at the clubhouse he revised this comment + to say that it was probably not over the clubhouse but in a + clearing between the highway and the golf course to the right of + the clubhouse--an area some 500 yards long and 100 yards wide. + It is important to note that if the UFO had been near the ground + in this area it would have been hidden from view to the south by + trees, to the north by the West Seattle high school stadium, and + from 35th S.W. by a hill.] It was huge--I don't know what a + "mothership" is (we get our terminology from TV), but it was + like a mothership, it was big. + + [Later at the intersection he described the size of the + object as stretching from a rotating motel sign on the left to a + tall evergreen tree on the right, a distance that would be + covered by 3 inches of a ruler held at arm's length. His + estimate on the report form that the apparent size of the object + was as large as a 12" ruler held at arm's length was therefore + an exaggeration.] + + I shouted back and called [his girlfriend's] attention to it. + It moved to the left, then to the right, then it moved away and up + until it was out of sight. + + While we were watching it we stood in the middle of the + intersection and nearly got run over by two or three cars. One + guy who almost hit me honked and said, "are you nuts?", and I + said, "no man, look at that". He stopped and said "is someone + hurt" and then he saw the object. He saw it while it was in + motion. We watched it until the damn thing disappeared. The + other witness--a guy 25 to 30 years old, heavy build with a + blond mustache, 5'9 to 5'11, well dressed in sweater and + slacks--said, "somebody's playing a joke, right?", and I said, + "No, I've been watching it for about 30 seconds." + + I didn't hear anything like a hum or a buzz like you would + get from an airplane. There was nothing. [When questioned + about his note on the sketch made earlier that said "humming + sound":] I heard a humming sound like the electric [cooling] + fan on a car after the engine is turned off, but it was probably + the car of the guy who stopped. I'm almost sure the sound + didn't come from the object. + + The other guy said he was on his way to Jake O'Shaunnessy's + Restaurant to meet someone and had to get going. I said I was + going to go down to the golf course and check that out. I went + down to the clubhouse parking lot, there were only two cars + there, parked in front of the clubhouse. I didn't see anything + more unusual there. The stadium lights were on at the West + Seattle High stadium there at the park. + + The first thing I thought when I saw it was that it was a + carbon arc [searchlight], and I was looking around first for a + carbon-arc searchlight to see if there was some source of the + light. I used to be a projectionist and used to work on the + carbon arc. You could project the pictures on the clouds with + one of those things if you wanted to. But it was definitely a + physical object. + + [Asked about the weather conditions that night:] There was a + full moon that night. The moon looked huge that night. It was + clear, there were sparse clouds but not "en masse" so you + couldn't see the sky. + + I hadn't been drinking and I don't do any drugs. + + [Asked about his line of work:] I run a shoe repair concession + with two other men in the Nordstrom's Men Shoe department, and + I'm a part-time musician (percussion and piano). + + [Asked about his familiarity with UFO literature:] We saw the + Betty and Barney Hill movie, I used to watch a TV series in the + '60s called Project Blue Book, one of my favorite movies is "The + Day the Earth Stood Still", and I read Shirley MacLaine's book + "Out on a Limb". + + [Asked about a description of the object:] The object was + metallic blue color. It was shaped like this [makes an ellipse + in the air with his two hands], but it wasn't flat like you + would think a flying saucer should be. It had greenish yellow + lights in a row--six of them the same size. There were three + rings of rotating white light: the one on the left was rotating + counter-clockwise and the one on the right was rotating + clockwise and the one on the bottom was probably rotating + clockwise. It had a blue thing on top like the radar detector + on an AWAC aircraft. It may not have been attached. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1199.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1199.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a2f4afc9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1199.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SEATTLE SIGHTING, WITNESS #2, 3/88 FILE: UFO1199 + +PART 2 + + + West Seattle, Washington UFO Report + March 5, 1988 + + PART II: Narrative of second witness, female, age 33 + Transcribed from notes by Dr. Donald Johnson, March 13, 1988 + + [The first three paragraphs are a narrative from a phone + interview with this witness on Friday, March 11th:] + + While crossing the street with my boyfriend from a corner + 24-hour convenience store we saw a huge, metallic + spherical-shaped object surrounded by a bright blue light over + the West Seattle golf course and Camp Long. The object was as + wide as a football field is long. We heard a humming sound, and + estimated it to be only 300 yards above the golf course. + + We were nearly knocked down by a car because we were + standing there in the middle of the street kind of mesmerized by + the sight of such a strange object so close to the ground. The + driver of the car pulled over and stopped. We watched the + object together for about 30-40 seconds. It moved very quickly + right, then left--in sort of a zig-zag--and then it was gone. + + I'm in my thirties and I work as a transit operator for + Metro [the regional bus system]. I've never seen anything like + it despite driving buses late at night for many years. After + the sighting we discussed the sighting with the other man and we + decided not to report it. Later on I decided that we ought to + report what we had seen to someone, and I looked up "UFO" in the + white pages and found the number for the UFO Reporting Center + and called it. I'm sorry now that the other witness drove away + before we could get his name. We called to find out if anyone + else had reported it and were surprised to hear that no one else + had. + + [Narrative from March 13, 1988:] + + I was still in the store when he saw the object from + the sidewalk. I don't know how long he'd seen it before + he yelled at me. But when he got my attention he pointed + over in the golf course direction. I saw it when it first + started to move. When it moved up, it moved sort of away. I + guess east. The more we talked about it the more we felt that + we should call somebody. I called the UFO Reporting Center late + on Monday morning. I wanted confirmation that "yes, we did see + this strange object, because other people saw it, too". He went + down to the golf course, I just went home. I have a + two-and-a-half-year-old and he was asleep in the car and I + didn't want to get too close. + + My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and they have a + religious interpretation for these things, they say that they + are "spiritual manifestations" [Note: the notetaker missed some + of what the parents' explanation was at this point, however, the + gist of what she said was that she was skeptical of her parents' + interpretation.] + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1200.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1200.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e3e558f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1200.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +SUBJECT: WESTCHESTER COUNTY NY UFO SIGHTING FILE: UFO1200 + + + + JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE... + +Direct from the +Department of Redundancy Department, a quick explanation of +a new rash of UFO +reports in New York's Hudson Valley: + + [Friday, Marc +h 18, 1988] + ULTRALIGHTS SPARK REPORTS OF UFOs IN AREA + + +By David Flores + Staff Writer/Gannett Westchester Herald Statesma +n + + Look up in the sky, it's a blimp, it's a UFO ... it's an ultralight +aircraft. + + A small group of ultralight aircraft with blinking +lights were proba- +bly to blame for the rash of Unidentified Flying Object re +ports that jammed +the switchboards of police departments in Westchester and R +ockland counties +between 9:30 and 10:30 p.m. yesterday,police said. + + "I +probably got 50 to 100 calls," said Peekskill state trooper Greg +Porteus. + + +Other area police departments averaged between six and 10 calls while +some 20 calls came into Gannett We +stchester Newspapers reporting a large, +round object with red and white or gr +een lights floating over their com- +munities. + + According to Porteus, ult +ralights are small, quiet, open-bodied air- +craft that can move at very slow +speeds. A group of ultralight fliers from +nearby Stormville Airport in Dutch +ess County have stirred up this type of +commotion before, he said. + + "The majority of residents know who they are," Porteus said. + + However, an +employee who answered the phone at Stormville Airport said +he didn't know if +any ultralights took off from there last night. + + Whatever it was, people +in many parts of the county were left guessing +and gaping. + + "It just sor +t of stopped, it was hovering," said Cindy Alayne of Mount +Vernon, who spotte +d it near her home. "You could see it was circular." + + "Your classic type of saucer-looking th +ing," said Bobby Peters of +Yorktown. + + Peters said he was driving north o +n the Taconic Parkway in Yorktown +with his brother Nicky at about 10:10 p.m. +when they saw the lights. "It +was just such a perfect formation," he said. + + +Other motorists also stopped to see the sight. + + "It was hovering and the +re were lots and lots of blinking red lights," +said Mary Anne Morris of South Salem. + + + + + + + + + + + + Morris said she saw whatever she saw between 9: +45 p.m. and 10 p.m. +while heading north on the Saw Mill River Parkway in Thor +nwood. She said +it was about 1,000 to 1,500 feet above the ground. + + Bob +by Peters said he wasn't quite ready to start believing in UFOs or +little gre +en men[sic]. However, he's not convinced that they're ultralight +aircraft,ei +ther. + + "They gotta be pretty darn good to fly in that formation," he said. + + +Porteus said the after-hours flying aces are a nuisance, causing undue +mental +anguish to area residents. + + "It's dangerous," he said. "Some people get +very upset about it." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1201.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1201.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7c3e984c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1201.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +SUBJECT: WEST VIRGINIA UFO SIGHTINGS FILE: UFO1201 + + + +From: Executive News Svc. [72135,424] +Subj: APwv 07/24 W.Va.Briefs + + BECKLEY, W.Va. (AP) -- Sand Branch Road residents, state police +and professional UFO watchers say they have no explanation for +bright white lights that moved across the nighttime sky, converged, +and then disappeared behind a mountain. + "It looked like two big headlights for a while," is how Gina +Mahaffey described Wednesday morning's phenomenon. "Then it +appeared to be one, and it moved. + "It didn't move constantly. It moved a little bit then would +stop, and then it would move a little bit more." + Mahaffey's husband, Allen, noticed the lights while taking an +early morning swim and notified police. Trooper John Ferda, who was +dispatched to the scene, admitted he was startled when the call +didn't turn out to be a crackpot case. + "I definitely saw it but I have no idea what it was," the +trooper said Wednesday. "It looked like three flashlights real +close together and it appeared to be moving. Well, it did move, +from left to right." + Other troopers and a Raleigh County deputy also observed the +lights. + Robert Gribble of the National UFO Reporting Center, a private +scientific agency in Washington state, said earthly reasons can +explain most sightings. + "Usually they turn out to be just plane lights ... or objects +that turn out to be other types of aircraft," Gribble said. "But +it would be very difficult to come up with an explanation for +something like (Mrs. Mahaffey's description)." +=END STORY=ParaNet rates this case S3/P4 on the newly-adopted Hynek Scale (see library file S-P.TXT) + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1202.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1202.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..07175207 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1202.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +SUBJECT: WYTHEVILLE, VA UFO SIGHTINGS FILE: UFO1202 + +PART 1 + + +Sb: APtn 10/19 0859 UFO Sightings + + +By DIRK BEVERIDGE Associated Press Writer + WYTHEVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Wythe County sheriff's deputies have seen the lights +in the sky that are causing a local UFO craze, but they are not preparing to +battle space aliens. + "I'd rather have something else put us on the map," chief deputy Herb Cooley +said. "This brings all the weirdos out. Before this is over, somebody's going to +have to see some little green men." + Cooley said the department has received more than a dozen calls about UFOs in +the past few weeks, but he pointed out that many more people who have seen the +flying lights probably keep their mouths shut so no one will question their +sanity. + He has heard reports of the objects swooping down and running cars off the +road, but the department has not received any such complaints. + Sheriff's Sgt. Cihmer Collins, who spent 22 years in the military before he +became a civilian lawman, has seen the mysterious craft and says they are +probably with the armed forces. + "I've seen a bunch of them, and all I've seen is refueling," a manuever that +involves two aircraft joined in what appears to be a stationary position before +suddenly bolting off in different directions. That matches the behavior of red +and white lights seen by some of the UFO witnesses. + "They did the same thing in Vietnam," Collins said. "There ain't no UFOs." + But three military spokespersons in the Norfolk area said by telephone that +the silent airships described over Wythe County do not sound like anything in +the U.S. arsenal. + "I don't have anything that doesn't make sound," said Ace Ewers, a spokesman +for the Naval Air Station Oceana. He said A-6 Intruder bombers from Oceana fly +in the Wytheville area, but they make a lot of noise. + "If it wasn't making sound, I don't have any explanation for what they're +talking about," Ewers said. "If the government's working on something like that, +I don't know anything about it." + Nobody else contacted by The Associated Press had a good explanation, +although eyewitness accounts of the UFOs are easy to come by around Wythe +County. + A waitress in the Country Kitchen in Rural Retreat said a crowd watched a UFO +from the parking lot one night last week. She described it as round, like a +Frisbee, with bright red and white lights cutting silently across the sky. Other +witnesses have reported green lights on objects of varying shapes. + Jack and Carolyn Ellison told reporters about their sighting of two flying +objects, one shaped like a saucer and the other like a large arrowhead that was +following it at a rather low altitude. + "We just stood right there where that Oldsmobile is and it went right over +that maple tree," Jack Ellison said. + "An airplane wouldn't have been that low, and it would have made noise," said +Carolyn Ellison. "I said, `Maybe it's the Goodyear blimp,' but Jack said, `No, +that makes noise."' + She had no idea what the things might be. + "I've heard of UFOs, but I don't know," she said. "When I turned the radio on +and found out other people saw it, I began to wonder." + Wytheville radio station WYVE has received numerous calls about the UFOs. +News Director Danny Gordon has been recording and airing some of the accounts. + "Eighty percent are probably natural lights, Jupiter, the moon -- eyes +playing tricks on them, the bottle," Gordon said. The other 20 percent sound +believable, he said. + His callers have described objects including a silvery cigar shape, a green +camouflage cigar shape, a floating triangle and pairs of lights that hover for a +while before splitting apart and quickly vanishing. + Gordon said he has talked with people who seriously keep up with UFOs, and +they have warned him to be on the alert for government men in black suits who +will try to get him to stop publicizing the sightings. UFO followers have said +the government has for years hidden its knowledge of UFOs to avoid widespread +public panic. + "I haven't heard anything from the government to tell me to stop doing the +story," Gordon said. "If they're down here, they're down here incognito." + + +Copyright 1987 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1203.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1203.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b5a61c97 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1203.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +SUBJECT: WYTHEVILLE, VA UFO SIGHTINGS FILE: UFO1203 + +PART 2 + + +#: 2 S0/EasyPlex + 23-Oct-87 16:12 MST +Sb: APva 10/23 1653 UFO Sightings +Fm: Executive News Svc. [72135,424] + +By DIRK BEVERIDGE Associated Press Writer + WYTHEVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Five people who claim to have seen UFOs said Friday +a secret military operation has stirred up the recent flying saucer craze in +Wythe County, but they offered no evidence to back the assertion. + "It appears we are dealing with something of a military nature," said news +director Danny Gordon of radio station WYVE. He and four other people talked +about sightings they said they made Thursday night. + "A lot of people are scared," Gordon told reporters. "Will the military +please tell us where they are?" + Spokesmen for various branches of the military have denied knowledge of +operations that would have prompted the series of flying saucer reports that +began in September. + One of the members of the panel assembled by Gordon, New York photographer +John Stember, said he took a videotape and still photographs Thursday night of +a dome-shaped object flying in tandem with a smaller, roundish object. + "I saw this large, sort of orange glow," Stember said. "The first seemed to +be a large domed shape, with an ambient light behind it." + He said his still pictures were being processed, but the pictures would be +available to reporters. But when approached after the news conference, Stember +said he had removed his film from the area to protect it. + Another member of the panel, Andrew Convery, a systems analyst with the +Virginia Beach-based Navy software contractor Computer Dynamics Inc., said he +believed there had been some kind of crash in the area. He refused to elaborate +and refused to say why he would not elaborate. + "We have very substantial reasons, we just can't produce any proof," Convery +said. + Convery said he had come to Wytheville on his own time because he for years +has followed UFO stories. He said he thinks the military is operating the +mysterious flights because other military craft operate routinely in the area. + Convery said he does not think the military would fly its jets at low +altitudes in the area of flying objects it could not identify. + "They fly aircraft over the top while these things are flying down below," +Convery said. + Gordon said some of the UFOs have swooped down and harassed motorists in the +county, at times chasing them down the road with spotlights on them or even +running some people off the road. + "Imagine you're a bored fighter jock," Convery said. "To relieve the tedium +you chase a local around." + + +Copyright 1987 by the Associated Press. All rights reserved. + +ÿ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1204.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1204.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9be42149 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1204.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +SUBJECT: WYTHEVILLE, VA UFO SIGHTINGS FILE: UFO1204 + +PART 4 + + +WYTHEVILLE UFO UPDATE -- + +HUGE UFOS EQUIPPED WITH STROBES CONTINUE TO FLY OVER WYTHE +COUNTY, VIRGINIA, WHERE MORE THAN 1,000 SIGHTINGS HAVE BEEN +REPORTED SINCE THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER, ACCORDING TO BROAD- +CAST NEWS DIRECTOR DANNY GORDON OF WYVE RADIO IN WYTHEVILLE. +ALTHOUGH BOTH THE PENTAGON AND THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT HAVE +REPEATEDLY DENIED ANY KNOWLEDGE OR INVOLVMENT IN THE RAFT OF +UFOS, GORDON, WITH TWO OTHER RESEARCHERS, SUSPECTS A MILI- +TARY EXPLANATION MAY BE FORTHCOMING. "WE THINK IT MAY +BE A MILITARY CRAFT OF A HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL NATURE," GORDON +SPECULATES, "OR SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT'S +NOT THEIRS! (WYTHE COUNTY) IS A TESTING AREA FOR DAYTIME +FLIGHTS BY THE ARMY, NAVY AND AIR FORCE." +SENATOR PAUL TRIBLE (R-VIRGINIA) IS OFFICIALLY CONTACTING THE +MILITARY REGARDING THE UFOS, ACCORDING TO HIS WASHINGTON, +D.C. PRESS SECRETARY JOHN MILLER. SUBSEQUENT ACTION +WILL DEPEND ON THE MILITARY'S RESPONSE MILLER SAYS. +REPORTS HAVE DEPICTED V-SHAPED CRAFT, ROUND AND DOME-TOPPED +OBJECTS AND FAST-MOVING COLORED LIGHTS. WITNESSES HAVE DES- +CRIBED SEEING THE CRAFT MANAGE 90-DEGREE TURNS AND SPEEDS +FASTER THAN KNOWN AIRCRAFT, ALONG WITH INCIDENTS OF THE +UFOS DOGGING AUTOMOBILES. ONE WITNESS CLAIMS HE SAW SOMETHING +ON NOV 2 WHICH RESEMBLED A SHIP FROM STAR WARS. +DAYTIME MILITARY ACTIVITY PROVES INCONCLUSIVE AS A POSSIBLE +EXPLANATION. THE SILENT UFOS ARE MOST OFTEN SEEN AFTER DARK, +AND AT ALTITUDES APPARENTLY INCONSISTENT WITH POSSIBLE TEST +FLIGHTS OR REFUELING OPERATIONS. +GORDON FIRST BROKE THE NEWS TO WIRE SERVICES AFTER LOCAL LAW +ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS REPORTED UFOS ON OCT. 2, SEEN IN THE +NORTHERN SECTION OF THE COUNTY OVER INTERSTATE 77. "LESS +THAN A WEEK LATER, THE SHERIFF'S DEPATMENT REPORTED THAT A +FAMILY VISITING FROM OHIO - WHO WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY UFO +SIGHTINGS BEFOREHAND - HAD BEEN FOLLOWED BY A ROUND OBJECT," +SAYS GORDON. +"IT CAME AT THEM AT A LOW ALTITUDE WHILE THEY WERE ON A +SECONDARY TWO-LANE ROAD." +REPORTS OF SIMILAR OBJECTS - DOME-SHAPED CRAFT OUTFITTED +WITH BRIGHT LIGHTS AND OFTEN FOLLOWED BY A SMALLER, RED- +LIGHTED OBJECTS, POURED INTO GORDON AT WYVE. AS INTEREST +IN THE SIGHTINGS MOUNTED, HE DECIDED TO HOST A CALL-IN +PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE COULD ANONYMOUSLY REPORT WHAT THEY +HAD SEEN IN THE AREA. "I HAD ABOUT 25 CALLS IN THE FIRST +HOUR," HE SAYS. +MILITARY MANEUVERS IN THE WYTHE COUNTY AREA ARE NOT UNCOMMON. +GORDON, WHO'S HAD ONE DAYLIGHT AND FOUR NOCTURNAL SIGHTINGS +HIMSELF, IS CONDUCTING AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION INTO +THE WYTHE COUNTY UFOS. WITH FASHION PHOTOGRAPHER JOHN +STEMBER AND MILITARY DECEPTION SPECIALIST ANDREW CONVERY, WHO +BOTH OFFERED THEIR ASSISTANCE AS NEWS OF THE "FLAP" WENT +NATIONAL, GORDON MADE SEVERAL VISITS TO LOCAL SIGHTING +VICINITIES. THEY OBSEVED A LARGER UFO ("HUMUNGOUS CRAFT +ABOUT 900 FEET LONG - BIGGER THAN A 747") LINKING WITH A +SMALLER CRAFT IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A DOCKING MANUEVER. +SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND POOR-QUALITY VIDEOTAPE WERE +TAKEN. +OFFICIALS AT THE TENNESSEE AIR NATIONAL GUARD, WHO SPOKE WITH +GORDON SHORTLY AFTER SOME OF THE FIRST SIGHTINGS, SUGGESTED +THAT THE UFOS WERE CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT CONDUCTING REFUELING +OPERATIONS. THE PENTAGON DENIES THAT, GORDON SAYS. "PEOPLE +LOCALLY ARE MAD - THEY'RE LIKE ME; THEY'VE SEEN SOMETHING AND +THEY KNOW IT WASN'T REFUELING." +ON OCT. 23, GORDON ANDHIS COLLEAGUES HELD A PRESS CON- +FERENCE AT WYVE STUDIOS IN WYTHEVILLE. THE PANEL DES- +CLARED THEIR BELIEF THAT SOME SORT OF CRASH TOOK PLACE IN +THE AREA - BUT DECLINED TO ELABORATE. +a REPORTER RECENTLY QUESTIONED GORDON ON THE UFOS FEASIBLY +BEING EXTRATERRESTRIAL. "BECAUSE I'M A REPORTER, i +HAVE TO DEAL IN FACTS AND LOGIC," GORDON RESPONDED. +"THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE UFOS COME FROM ANYWHERE BUT THE +UNITED STATES. IF SO, THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF +SNEAKING IN AND OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. AND IF IT'S A STEALTH +EXPERIMENT, IT'S A ROUND ONE. + +Transcribed by Dale Wedge for ParaNet. Uploaded permission +of California UFO. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1205.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1205.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c7625948 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1205.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +SUBJECT: 12+ PEOPLE SEE X-SHAPED UFO IN CALIFORNIA FILE: UFO1205 + + +Date: 23-May-86 13:17 MST +From: Executive News Svc. [72135,424] +Subj: APca 05/23 UFO + + SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Theeeey're baaaaack. + For UFO believers who have endured years of drab skies and no sightings, +Thursday, and its full moon, was a big day. + More than a dozen people said they saw a mysterious UFO racing across the +pre-dawn sky north of San Francisco -- a strange X-shaped craft with +blinking lights that hovered above the hills of Sonoma County before +speeding away into the dark. + A California Highway Patrol officer who declined to be named and radio +station KTOB News Director Arlette Cohen were among those who reported +spotting the strange craft at about 4:30 a.m. PDT between the cities of +Petaluma and Sonoma about 40 miles north of here. + The sighting came on the heels of reports of pingpong-ball-sized +multi-colored UFOs crowding radar screens in Sao Paulo, Brazil. The +government scrambled jet fighters to intercept the tiny objects, and two +pilots said they saw the objects flying nearby. + "I saw these two white lights to the east," Ms. Cohen said, estimating +the craft was about 1,000 feet in the air. She said she noticed the UFO +when it crossed to the west side of the highway, and "hovered almost +stock-still ... for a few seconds." + Ms. Cohen said she was driving to work at her Petaluma station, +northbound on U.S. 101, and made the sighting shortly before reaching +Petaluma. + She said a full moon was still visible above. She also said she rolled +down her car window to listen for the sound of a helicopter but heard +nothing. + When the craft crossed the highway once again, she said she saw two "tiny +green lights" glowing faintly on the side opposite the two bright white +lights. + "I think I saw sort of a black `X' silhouette shape," Ms. Cohen said. +"It was really hard to tell." + "An unidentified object described as a large orange `X' with white lights +in the front was seen traveling at a high rate of speed eastbound from +Petaluma," Santa Rosa CHP Officer Bill McChristian said of the report from +the unidentified officer and several callers. + San Francisco Bay area air traffic controllers said they could not +explain the sighting, saying radar screens detected no such object flying +over the area at that time. + The North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado said no man-made +spacecraft would have been visible at 4:30 a.m. in Northern California, but +that debris from the Cosmo 1683 satellite reportedly re-entered the +atmosphere over California more than an hour later, at 5:41. + "We don't have anything at that time," said Lt. Virginia Sullivan of +NORAD. + The sightings of Unidentified Flying Objects first sprang up in the 1940s +and in 1947 the University of Colorado and the Air Force decided to look +into the matter. [SIC: The UofC did not begin their investigation until +1969 -- T/A] + In 1969, after two decades of research, the university concluded there +wasn't the slightest evidence of "alien crafts." + Soon after, the flying saucer fad waned and UFO clubs folded. Wayne +Shannon of San Francisco television station KRON reported + Thursday night, with tounge firmly in cheek, that he received a call from +a woman in Petaluma, once a city so well known for its chicken ranching that +the local football team was dubbed The Leghorns. + Shannon said the caller knew what everyone saw Thursday: it was the souls +of all those dead chickens. Shannon called them "Poultrygeists," a takeoff +on the current movie "Poltergeist II." You know. The one with the +television commercials in which the little blonde girl says: "Theeeey're +baaack." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1206.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1206.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c584f0da --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1206.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +SUBJECT: ZIMBABWE UFO SIGHTING STILL NOT ID'ED FILE: UFO1206 + + + +Zimbabwe UFO + +Back in 1985, a round object topped with a cone was seen by dozens of people +over the skies of Zimbabwe. With pilots, air traffic controllers, and +civilians among the witnesses, that country turned to aeronautical experts +for an explanation. Now, a year and a half later, Zimbabwe's Air Commodore +David Thorne sees no explanation in sight. "We have not been able to +identify the object," he says. "We have had to classify it as a UFO." + +Although he didn't personally witness the object, Thorne reports that "the +craft was spotted as it streaked over southern Zimbabwe. Then air traffic +controllers watched it hover and tracked it on radar. 2 Air Force jets went +after the object, and the pilots described it as incredibly shiny, reflecting +the colors of the sunset. Our estimates indicate that the UFO was traveling +at twice the speed of sound. And when it got dark outside, we realized the +object was emitting its own light. Our pilots are completely reliable," +Thorne contends. "This cannot be dismissed as a plane, weather balloon, or +natural phenomenon." + +But UFO skeptic James Oberg has his doubts. "The evidential value of +unresearchable sightings in Zimbabwe is zero, however sincere the witnesses," +he says. "Besides, pilots are not always calm, dispassionate observers. +They tend to perceive any visual stimulus in its most dangerous possible +configuration -- as another craft. That's a good characteristic of a safe +pilot, but not a good characteristic of a UFO witness." Oberg also points out +that "Zimbabwe is sort of on the edge of the civilized world in terms of +tracking things that might cause this kind of UFO report -- like Russian and +South African reconnaissance planes that, I'm sure, are flying over that +airspace." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1207.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1207.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8625b89c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1207.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,2618 @@ +SUBJECT: WGA CIRCLES THREAD EXPANDS TO COMPUSERVE FILE: UFO1207 + +PART 1 + + CIS THREAD(S) FOLLOWING + SEPT. 22 UPLOAD OF CIRCLE.TXT. + + (Right margin adjusted for viewing utilities and + loading by most word processors, text-with-line-breaks.) + +(As of this date There were 52 downloads of this file from +ISSUES/PARANORMAL Lib. 10, uploaded Sept. 22, 1991). + + + ------------------------ + +#: 45583 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 23-Sep-91 21:16:53 +Sb: #45328-#Crop circles +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 (X) + +There is a substantial thread on crop circles which has been +uploaded to Issues, Sec 10, Paranormal. It was taken from +the Science and Health Forum of the WGA-BBS, a members-only +BBS for the Writers Guild of America (television and +screenwriters). I was part of this discussion, which +develops some surprising but (for me) very satisfying +explanations. The messages were uploaded on Compuserve +partly in hope that those with greater expertise in the +matters that are discussed -- millimeter and sub-millimeter +lasers, masers, the physical effects of ionized gases, etc +- would provide commentary. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: +17555 S3/General + 30-Sep-91 05:47:24 +Sb: #17344-Controversial new file +Fm: stuart lees 75300,247 +To: Trevor Prinn (UK) 100016,2726 + +I'm inclined to agree with you about the hoaxers - they seem +to have been very quiet about their exploits since the +initial claims. + +There are a lot of unanswered questions about the circles, +and every explanation only seems to emphasise how little +anyone knows about them. I think the explanation for the +braiding given in circle.txt was to do with the maser +spinning as it was emitted...that doesnt explain the stalks +being bent at the same height though, does it. I must admit, +I find the maser idea a bit improbable - there have got to +be better test sites than Wiltshire - but then the whole +thing is improbable. + +Have you seen any of these circles yourself Trevor? + +-Stuart + + +#: 45683 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 29-Sep-91 00:21:36 +Sb: #45675-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Since the thread that Sabaroff uploaded as CIRCLE.TXT, there +have been several more small indications that the thesis may +be correct. In NATURE last week is an article called +"Measurement of atmospheric wavefront distortion using +scattered light from a laser guide-star", which is based on +US Dept of Defense work that began secretly in 1981, and was +declassified in May of this year. So it is clear that the +gov't has indeed been working within the general realm of +lasers and the atmos-/meso-sphere. + +Also it has been discovered that the Dave/Doug hoaxster +confession was arranged by a "news agency" that receives +mail through its accountants, and does not have a telephone. +Dave and Doug were asked point-blank on a talk show if they +had ever been employed by a governmental intelligence +agency, but they refused to answer, and chose to laugh the +question off. + +(I should point out that I was a participant in the +CIRCLE.TXT thread, and that I, too, am anxious for comment +or response from those most knowledgeable in the fields +under discussion. In point of fact, I would be happier if +our conclusions were entirely incorrect, and the circles +were the result of hoaxes, or whirlwinds.) + + +#: 45697 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 29-Sep-91 23:23:38 +Sb: #CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Michael, needless to say I was delighted by the disclosures +regarding DOUG/DAVE. We should bring them to L.A. and make +them producers. + +On our WGA BBS, as you know, we also have a News and Current +events forum. There were some things in President Bush's +recent speech regarding radical reductions in offensive +nuclear capabilities, and the centralization of reduced +stockpiles, *and the diversion of large portions of the +spared budget to B2 and SDI research* which I found +startling, to say the least. Since much of our CIRCLE.TXT +thread attributes (some) of the crop formations (calling +them simply "circles" now seems simplistic) to SDI connected +maser/laser experiments, some things make more sense. The +press has tended to discredit the concept of SDI as do most +scientists, yet if we call it EARTH WARS instead of STAR +WARS it makes more sense. + +Bush called for retention of retaliatory systems, such as +submarine based weapons, and the clustering of fixed site +silos - reduced to single warhead missiles. Admirable, but +inconceivable unless we had something else to back it up. + +A missile's greatest enemy is Electromagnetic Pulse Effect +(EMP), something that microwave energy generates in enormous +quantities. I suspect when we talk about "hardening" silos +(or used to), the hardening referred to EMP, not structural +integrity. This would suggest another credible function for +space borne maser technology - and submarines would be +shielded and cloaked from it. Am I looking too hard for a +positive side to all this...? + + Bob + + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45698 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 01:58:08 +Sb: #45697-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: tom genereaux 76703,4265 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +You've got it a bit wrong. EMP is *not* produced by +microwave emission. You can induce a phenomena that is +similiar, but much reduced in magnitude. This assumes that +you have lots of rust, aluminium oxide, and conductors of a +wavelength appropriate to the frequency. Otherwise it all +gets dissipated as heat. Not very much heat, at that. + +Now, hardening *did* factor in EMP, but it also factored in +blast effect, radiation hardness, and so on. EMP is by +necessity a low frequency phenomenon - on the order of a few +10's of hertz at best - and mostly a DC voltage field at +that. The EMP test sites are the worlds largest ELF +generators. (ELF = Extremely Low Frequency - 10khz and +below.) + Tom G. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45702 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 06:16:37 +Sb: #45698-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: tom genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +Tom, thanks for the clarification regarding the +microwave/EMP relationship. It's equally useful to know that +our logical processes have led us to an incorrect +association, as it is to be confirmed. Perhaps more so, and +your obvious expertise is much appreciated. We want to get +it right. Responses like yours are welcome because their +corrections lead to rethought questions. Could a very +strong maser in any way affect the guidance and/or control +systems of a missile as it leaves it's silo? And, if you +know, what range of frequencies are considered to fall +within the spectrum known as "microwave?" + +It is also my understanding that a nuclear detonation above +ground would itself generate enough particle energy to +affect communications and other electronic systems, and that +such an event occured in the Pacific some years ago and +wasn't much publicized. Are you aware of (that you can +discuss) any spectra of radiation other than light or +"microwave" which can be generated as coherent energy in a +way similar to the maser/laser technology? + +Bob + + +#: 45716 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 17:35:59 +Sb: #circle.txt +Fm: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 +To: 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, + +One thing that would be of great interest regarding SDI +hypothesis would be the aspect of the ellipses (you as well +as others noted that they are not circles). If beams struck +from geosynchonous orbit, they would all have the same +aspect - assuming the same platform. However, I don't know +that SDI satellites would be geosynchronous. Certainly +kinetic devices wouldn't be put out that far because of +transit time. Beam weapons would have to deal with spread +and hence attenuation over that distance. + +Be that as it may, the aspect ratio and orientation would be +very interesting. Of course, I am assuming our jokers are +using circular 'stencils'. If the originating platform is +deliberately firing ellipses, all bets are off. + +Jon Brunson 76477,1312 + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45717 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 17:48:08 +Sb: #CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Having just finished reading the recently uploaded +CIRCLE.TXT discussion, I wanted to commend you (as the +leading provocateur of the discussion) for what is by far +the most innovative and thoughtful analysis of the phenomena +I have yet encountered. Never before came across a BBS +thread that made for such a compelling read! + +Not being of a conspiratorial bent, I am struggling mightily +with your hypothesis that our defense establishment (or a +small "black area" therein) would deliberately utilize the +ancient circle legends of Wiltshire (a subject of rather +remarkable obscurity until recently!) to disguise the ground +effect of their maser/laser (or whatever) SDI tests. If you +are correct that these are artifacts of SDI testing, would +it not be safe to assume that *every* possible safeguard +would be taken to insure the secrecy of the results? If so, +it would seemingly require monumental courage and +presumptiousness for an SDI project manager to conclude that +the best of all possible testing alternatives would be a +public display on the plains of Wiltshire. Would that our +defense bureaucrats had that kind of imagination and guts! + +Another point; you mentioned that the technology necessary +to create these patterns was, in part at least, probably +made possible through the development of relatively high +temperature superconducters. However, did not the circle +phenomena develop in the early 80's, before these +breakthroughs occurred? Seems to me that the *real* +technological breakthrough was made at the time the first +circles were created in the early 80's. The developments in +the circle patterns since the early days reflect a +relatively slow and plodding developmental pace (fairly +modest variations on a theme) considering the magnitude of +the original breakthrough (that would allow a circle to be +created in the first place. [continued in the reply] + +There are 2 Replies. + +#: 45718 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 17:48:12 +Sb: #45717-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +[continued] + +Anyway, keep up the good work in prodding people to do some +analytical thinking about one of the more intriguing +mysteries of our time. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45726 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 20:38:46 +Sb: #45718-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +In the most recent issue of Nature is an article based on +research and testing done by the Dept of Defense, starting +in 1981, of ground to air laser imaging. As I make out, they +were creating pin-points -- for use as artificial star- +guides -- at a height of ten miles. This is spectacular +lack of beam attenuation. + +The authors note that this work has continued since 1981, +but was de-classified (to a degree) in May of this year. So +we know now that related work was going on, in the time +frame under discussion. + + +#: 45727 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 23:39:06 +Sb: #45702-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: tom genereaux 76703,4265 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +I should give some clarifications to my answer, first of all +- it was rather late, and I was briefer in my reply than I +meant to be. Large, (by large I mean gigawatts) transmitters +can affect the guidance system of a missile by means of +electromagnetic coupling. You can see this effect in a more +limited fashion (and with a slightly different pathway) in +your television set, when the next door ham beams a kilowatt +down your TV antenna. Most of the energy is dissipated as +heat in the receiving antenna, but a couple of volts of RF +will still be coupled into the set. A simple filter will +prevent this from being a problem - the energy gets +dissipated as heat in the filter. + +Heating effects of a magnitude to severly disrupt a missile +are by no means certain. You *can* potentially swamp a +sensor with the coupled energy. Simple screening would take +care of that. We do it all of the time. (Look at the door of +your microwave oven for an example.) + +The most promising beam weapons are the neutral particle +beam and the laser - either X-Ray, IR, or gamma. No one has +produced a gamma ray laser yet, and we don't have a clue +about how to do it, but it *is* theoretically possible. +Masers are non-starters - they're bloody fussy beasts. You +could use them in theory, but not in practice. + +The test you are refering to is Dominic Starfish Prime. This +test was designed to test the effects of high-altitude burst +on radio communications and radar, and not coincidentally, +to test the long range effects of EMP. These effects were +first noticed during a then secret three-shot high altitude +test in the South Atlantic - the Argus series - sometime in +1958. Three more high-altitude bursts took place in the +Dominic series, but only one had sufficient size to have +anything more than negligble effect. The earliest reference +in the open literature that I have is in the 1964 edition of +"The Effects of Nuclear Weapons". By the Third edition < +Cont'd > + +There are 2 Replies. + + +#: 45728 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 23:41:13 +Sb: #45716-#circle.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 (X) + +Jon, the ellipses might be accounted for either by very +slight drift of the stationary beam source, or by angle of +incidence if it were slightly off a perpendicular with the +target below. Considering the physical dimensions of most +of the formations, and presuming a width of less than a +centimeter for the point of emission, that's well within the +paramaters of experiments already conducted here. From +25,000 miles - the altitude of a geosynchronous orbiter, the +width of the formations is not contra-indicated by published +test results *in the atmosphere.*. From overhead, the beam +would have to penetrate a desnsity unit of only one +Atmosphere - 14.7 lbs/sq. inch. Surface experiments produce +less spread than we're seeing, over ground distances with an +"equivalence" of ten or more atmospheres. + +Such experiments have been done at an aerospace facility in +the hills of Malibu, quite close to where I live. The +stated purpose was to accurately place a stationary spot on +terrain MANY miles away, for studies of tiny increments of +earth movement - ostensibly for earthquake detection study. + +As a pilot, I have made many approaches into the smog of Los +Angeles. From overhead, the ground can be clearly seen, but +when descending into the layer at a normal rate of descent, +one is looking forward into it edgewise. Visibility +sometimes drops from unlimited (downward) to less than a 1/4 +mile edgewise. That's one reason an instrument rating is so +important here. As to attenuation, we can already use +kinetic devices to cut plate steel. I don't find it +inconceivable that given the very high emission power +possible, that we would still receive enough energy over +that distance, and relatively narrow spread (1 cm. < 100 +yards) to produce an effect. Also, geosynchronicity would be +a must for precision, and prehaps safety. (*more on stencils +in reply*) Bob. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45729 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 23:41:28 +Sb: #45717-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +Erik, your encouraging and complimentary response to +CIRCLE.TXT is received with delight by all involved. +Thanks! We're all professional writers, and have decided to +place you in our Wills. We can be a vain lot... + +Re the conspiratorial aspect of the whole thing, I think it +was the true purpose of STAR wars in the first place. Too +many scientists debunked it in open hearings, while closed- +door appropriations committees kept pouring classified money +into it for me to believe it wasn't something "other" from +the outset. As to the secrecy of the results, the likelihood +was that the results might have been unpredictably +detectable by the spy satellites of other countries (this +started many years before Gorbachev). By placing the +formations in a location (I'm also presuming an Anglo- +American co-venture) which would guarantee obfuscation by +the metaphysical history of the location, and simulating it, +the story stayed on the occult book shelves for years. + +"It's an old story...". The perfect confounder for a new +story. And so the CCCS book confirms. Great photos, not one +word about the possibility of artifacts of human technology. +Obviously, it worked. It's taken over ten years to get to +this discussion. This kind of planning would have taken +place among a very few at the top - certainly beyond the +"need-to-know" of a project manager. By that I mean Joint +Chiefs, the NSA, CIA, Executive branch. The shuttle pilots +who may have deployed the orbiter(s) need not have known +their function - only where to put them. + +As for the superconductor breakthroughs, "relatively high" +temperatures are still on an order of -200 deg. C, making +large scale experiments a lot more practical in the ambient +conditions of space. In the CCCS book, the increasing +precision and sophistication of the formations over the +years indicates progressive refinement of the technology. + +[more in reply] + + +#: 45730 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 30-Sep-91 23:53:39 +Sb: #45727-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: tom genereaux 76703,4265 +To: tom genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +the effect is discussed in depth. I do remember that there +was discussion of the effect at the time of the tests - Life +magazine had a story on it, and the West Coast and Oahu +papers also ran stories. The effect is discussed in +"Fundamentals Of Naval Weapons Systems", and the various +electronic packaging manuals have sections on it. Like a lot +of things, the information was out in the open, but you had +to know where to look. (Also, those of us working on such +things took them for granted - "Hey, that's *old* news. +). EMP, BTW, is *only* apparent at a distance in high- +altitude bursts. Low altitude bursts dissipate the pulse +through ground coupling within a few 10's of miles. (The +distance also has a heck of a lot to do with the size of the +device. The higher yield the device, the more powerful the +EMP). + Tom G. + +#: 17563 S3/General + 30-Sep-91 08:09:29 +Sb: #17529-Controversial new file +Fm: Allen Cobb [PRC] 72451,1764 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, + +Your comments on the lunar laser detection experiment were +interesting. I had been under the impression that the +purpose of the experiment was to validate the accuracy of +lunar ranging in general. In any case, DETECTION of a +laser's reflection off the moon is a far cry from IMAGING a +doughnut shape on the ground, with sharp edges, isn't it? + +ac + + +#: 17675 S3/General + 01-Oct-91 03:03:16 +Sb: #17563-Controversial new file +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Allen Cobb [PRC] 72451,1764 + +This week's NATURE reports work supported by the US Dept of +Defense, starting in 1981, to focus a ground-based laser to +a pin-point ten miles above the surface of the earth. (This +to emulate a star's light, for focussing telescopes.) The +work was secret for ten years, and was partially de- +classified in May of this year. + +Lasers can jiggle single atoms about; even from a great +height, a football field is a pretty large canvas, in +comparison. + + +#: 17668 S3/General + 01-Oct-91 01:31:16 +Sb: Controversial new file +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Allen Cobb [PRC] 72451,1764 + +Allen, to the best of my knowledge, the lunar laser +detections experiments had no (disclosed) relationship to +SDI. That its success may have confirmed for some the +possibilities, and thus helped to launch it, is unknowable +(yet). That was back in the early '70's. + +The reflectors left on the moon were formed to compensate +for spreading over that great distance, and in that respect +resembled extremely long focal-length reflectors not unlike +telescope mirrors. What was ascertained was that a laser +could be aimed from earth, reach the moon adequately +collimated to access the reflector, and return through the +atmosphere and be seen. + +I never meant to infer that this related directly to crop +imaging from a much more advanced technology than that, from +a source only 25,000 miles away, as opposed to the +earth-moon round trip of 476,000 miles. The example was +cited to demonstrate the length of time research has been +going on. + +Essentially, CIRCLE.TXT explores the idea that +masers/lasers/whatevers, of power outputs and collimating +efficiencies using enhanced superconductive technologies not +yet stated, are able to create artifactual images through a +stencil, from a geosynchronous orbiter(s), much like a +"cookie cutter." + +Bob + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45731 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 01-Oct-91 01:07:11 +Sb: #45727-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: tom genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +Tom, thanks for the generous addendum to your prior on EMP. +(I got the reply, too). Most of the publicity on EMP I've +seen had to do with gamma effects - to with a random cosmic +ray momentarily zapping a logic gate in some bank's +computer, resulting in a billing error. I know it's more +general than that, and I appreciate the organization you +offered. I was especially struck by your mention of other +potential beam scenarios such as X-Ray and IR. I'd +entertained the notion of the latter, but left it out of the +discussion because of the many crop effects that occured +while under the surveillance of thermographic sensors and +light amplifiers. All that was seen was new circles in the +morning. I'd have presumed that thermography would have +shown an IR effect, though it may be a mistake to presume +anything at this point. + +I was struck by your inference that gamma ray lasers have at +least been pondered, and may be theoretically possible. +I'll file that one. + +I'd also like to add what a pleasure it is getting credible +information from one actively involved in related science. +My late father (a ham, K6JW) was a senior scientist on +Surveyor, at Hughes. He degugged the communications system, +hired based on his invention of a pulse-modulated AM +transmitter which reached (in 1957-8) the MARS station, +KC4USA, at McMurdo Sound using 20 watts input to final, from +Philadelphia. They didn't believe him, because his signal +strength was below noise level, but his intelligibility was +higher. I know what you mean about *old* news. When +Surveyor landed, he shrugged, knowing Apollo was only a +matter of time, and was already on his way to Mars. He was +"on" Voyager, and made it out of the Solar System. + +Thanks again for the fascinating information. + +Bob + + +#: 45732 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 01-Oct-91 01:07:25 +Sb: #45728-circle.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +(contined) + +I'm presuming circular stencils, Jon. What makes pursuit of +the "cookie cutter" thread so compelling - whatever the +exact energy source - is the later, ever increasing +appearance of not just circles, but circles connected by +straight lined, in turn bisected at right angles, with +parallel liner formations alongside: and all perfectly +aligned with the natural furrows in the fields. Drift might +not be detectable in rectilinear formations in the form of +obvious distortion, as in a circle/ellipse effect. + +They also make a compelling argument for the stencil theory. +In leafing through page after page of these things, one sees +the compound structures with linear elelents starting to +proliferate [not to mention the one called "the insect" +which looks exactly like an Anasazi petroglyph (Arizona) I +have in a Smithsonian catalogue of such things, printed in +the 1870's]. + +But the most striking resmblance of the compound circle/line +structures is their resemblance to *sighting reticules.* I +understand that crop circle events are proliferating +elsewehere in the world. It's interesting to speculate if +the preliminary sighting, collimating, and power control +systems done in Wiltshire have reached a point where it is +now necessary to move on to other areas. + +If the mythology of Britain were the first cover, recent +documentaries on UFO's in S.E. British airbases +("Unexplained Mysteries") which included active duty +personnel - hitherto inconceivable - might not mean that the +Military is priming a new confounder. "Give it to the +UFOlogists now..." + +Bob + + +#: 45733 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 01-Oct-91 01:07:39 +Sb: #45729-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +(contined) + +Erik, I wanted to comment on the relative obscurity of the +archeology of the Plains of Wiltshire. Albert Watkins work +on the ley lines, from the 20's, and the more "academically +accepted" work of such scientists as Alexander Thom, Gerald +Hawkins, and others - are widely published and seriously +studied here. Especially since the new respectability of +"ArcheoAstronomy," and its adoption and accreditation by a +number of pretty "straight" asronomers. Even the late nobel +laureate, Richard Feynman was interested. + +There are hundreds of books in print on the subject. Just +as "space travel" was relegated to the science fiction book +shelves until Neil Armstrong made the discussion respectable +by "doing it," so it was with the standing stones and +circular mounds and more sophisticated structures such as +Stonehenge, Men Antol, Maes Howe (Orkneys), Avebury, +Glastonbury, and the demonstration (as opposed to theory), +that alignments had geodetic and astronomical significance. + +In Chaco Canyon, Arizona, for example, these same +researchers are now discovering the same functions in +hitherto obscure structures and enigmatic petroglyphs. +There is considerable interest. + +One can only imagine the effect in England itself, with +writers such as Jon Michel and others popularizing the +subject over the year - with Ley Line Societies debating in +print... with a sub rosa national obsession over the truly +fascinating reality of what has been in place for over 4000 +years... What a fabulous cover! It makes the rules of +evidence unmanageable. + +Bob + + +#: 45751 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 01-Oct-91 22:16:40 +Sb: #circle.txt +Fm: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 +To: 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, + +My only point about the elliptical shape was that if you +fire a circle the image is elliptical due to the angle of +incidence and curvature of the earth. If the aspect and +orientation were consistent, it would be a pretty strong +piece of evidence for a stationary platform in space. + +Another aspect of the phenomenon to consider is how the +stalks fall. Not only do they swirl both clockwise and +counter, they also have been known to fall all in the same +direction. In one circle, there was a small central swirl +and the stalks in each quadrant fell in the same direction +at right angles to those in adjacent quadrants. In still +other cases, they all fell directly centrifugally. These +and other idiosyncratic (for want of a better word) +behaviors make SDI a less than viable hypothesis. + +Some have used the term conspiracy to characterize your +conjecture. I don't see that has the right connotation for +one or two governments testing weapons systems. That is +what they are supposed to do. I love the mindset +demonstrated by Erik when he suggested defense bureaucrats +lack imagination and guts. Military Intelligence is not an +oxymoron as the joke goes. Military types may have +different goals than the average civilian type and use all +sorts of means to gain them, and they would just as soon +have you underestimate their abilities. It makes their job +easier. + +Jon Brunson + +There are 3 Replies. + + +#: 45753 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 02-Oct-91 04:20:49 +Sb: #45751-circle.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 + +There has been a fair amount of work done on the circles, +hoping to explain them by freak weather conditions and so +forth. In the published papers, the scientists say that the +patterns could be formed by ionized cushions of air. In +fact part of their problem was to figure out how even +anomalous weather patterns could be configured to do the +same thing that lasers would do in creating the cushions and +the ionized atmosphere. The Japanese scientist who +evidently did reproduce the strange patterns did so using a +laser over (I forget which) metallic or semi-metallic +substance. + +This is all talked about in circle.txt. What should be +emphasized is that the lasers (if they exist) are not +cutting the crops directly (as lasers are wont to do in +movies about bank heists); they are ionizing the atmosphere, +creating a "microclimate", and it is this that bends the +stalks in a certain way according to the dynamics of the air +pocket, that creates a sporadic light show, and brings +reports of electromagnetic disturbances. + + +#: 45754 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 02-Oct-91 06:01:55 +Sb: #45751-circle.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 + +Thanks for the clarification of your question regarding +"elliptical," Jon. It actually makes an answer to the +question simpler to state. If I were conducting what I +believe to be preliminary refinements - targeting, +stability, energy emission control, beam spread... I would +feel silly (as I sort of do) for not having also factored in +the curvature of the earth as a distorting element. Yes, +that could certainly be a factor, except that it would be a +radial effect, resulting in a slightly wider circle. + +Angle of incidence is another story, but I would hope that +great effort would go into acheiving a perfect vertical. +That still leaves drift, and not very much at that. I find +it hard to imagine a stationary satellite at 25,000 miles +which would be *perfectly* stationary, and all things +considered, the degree of ellipticality (?) is small enough +to suggest relatively great stability. The obvious way to +achieve this is through the gyroscopic effects (precession- +compensated) of rapid spin. + +It's admittedly a leap to the notion that the spinning beam +(behind a contra-rotating stencil) might in some way cause +the patterns of layover, but we are still after all, in the +brainstorming stage and don't claim to have all the answers. +I'm sure there are many secrets out there. + +I've also seen pictures of the really radical patterns you +mention. I don't have the answer to all the specifics, but +I don't think the remaining enigmas are enough to (yet) +dismiss the overall scenarios. We have a superstructure +that's conceivable. We may be a long way from dotting the +"i"'s. From what I know of how secrets are kept, we all may +be startled by the effects manifested by the technology +itself. Conspiracy and underestimated abilities ahead. + + +#: 45755 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 02-Oct-91 06:02:11 +Sb: #45751-circle.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 + +I think that the term "conspiracy" in this context is a _non +sequitur_. I've been involved enough in serious research +into assassination conspiracy to know that the term can be a +red herring. With few exceptions I've found "lone assassin" +conclusions to be manifestations of the collective denial of +something that's "too bad to be true," and therefore +processed by the brain into invisibility, to keep anxiety +threshholds tenable. As the denial begins to weaken there is +perceived a second conspiracy to conceal the first +conspiracy, when in fact the second conspiracy is often the +clinical denial of the first one, seen in retrospect. I find +hope in that... Maybe truth is immortal after all. It just +takes getting used to. + +"Conspiracy" connotes a clinical mindest suggestive of +paranoia, always a convenience when needed. I agree, Jon, +that the testing of weapons can require a great deal of +coordination among the participants to hide the pattern +produced if the elements are allowed to connect. The +security structure of the Manhattan Project is a classic +example. + +I also enjoyed Erik's citation of "imagination and guts." +Whoever put this number together had to be amply endowed +with both. I even see a sense of humor at work in the +"Arizona petroglyph." + +So where does conspiracy end an symbiosis leave off. Take +the lowly termite. Each termite is a conspiracy all its +own, its G.I. tract being a safe house for a protozoa, +complete with room and board. The termite grinds up the +wood like a food processor so the protozoa (a +dinoflagellate, I think) can ingest it, and the termite +assimilates the nutrient wastes and byproducts that +result. + +Top level Military and industrial security is something +else. Bob. + + +#: 45760 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 02-Oct-91 18:26:44 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: JON BRUNSON 76477,1312 + +Joe, it was not my intention to take impugn any aspect of +the military intelligence community. However, I see how my +remark might have left such an impression. The point I was +making was this; in order to give credence to the SDI theory +being discussed here, one has to imbue SDI project managers +with a combination of characteristics (knowledge of group +psychology, history, a LARGE dose of chutzpah, just to name +a few) that, to my knowledge (admittedly not comprehensive) +have not been similarly demonstrated in other projects. + +Unless I missed it, I have yet to see any discussion +regarding why all the circles are formed at night. Is it +possible that sunlight interferes with the process, or does +selection of Wiltshire as a proving ground require after +dark testing in order to avoid the possibility that the +cicrle formation will be directly witnessed? If the latter, +then the selection of this location would certainly seem to +impose a significant handicap to R&D activities unless you +assume (rather unlikely I would think) that direct daylight +observation of the process adds nothing significant to the +testing. + + +There is 1 Reply. + + + +#: 45795 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 03-Oct-91 21:36:32 +Sb: #45583-Crop circles +Fm: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +I downloaded that file and I found it interesting. You're +right -- there are a lot of ideas discussed there that don't +show up elsewhere for some reason. + + +#: 45798 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 04-Oct-91 00:37:38 +Sb: #45795-Crop circles +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 + +I'm glad you read it. Really, the only thing that I'm +trying to push is a search for the truth -- wherever that +leads. I've no emotional investment in one solution over +another -- or rather the one solution I'm wedded to is the +>right< one. What was presented in that thread -- and what +information has been garnered since that thread -- still +suggest that the crop circles are, in large measure, the +result of military/intelligence laser/maser testing from +geosynchronous satellites in place over Britain. + +The presence of experts in allied fields is the reason for +pushing the matter here. I hope others will take down the +thread and read it through. + + +#: 45823 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 04-Oct-91 20:22:41 +Sb: #CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +>>What was presented in that thread -- and what information +has been garnered since that thread -- still suggest that +the crop circles are, in large measure, the result of +military/intelligence laser/maser testing from +geosynchronous satellites in place over Britain.<< + +It strikes me that the evidence presented in CIRCLE.txt and +subsequent discussions can, at best, be described as +suggesting only that SDI testing is a theory that appears to +address more aspects of the phenomena than ony other. +Considering the wackiness of most of the other theories, +that's not really saying much. Interesting for sure, but a +whole lot of holes yet to be filled! + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45833 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 03:58:42 +Sb: #45823-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Absolutely. It is only a suggestion. But I hear that the +two men who confessed were asked point blank on a television +interview if they had ever been employed by an intelligence +organization, and they didn't give a straight answer. That, +also, the "news organization" which controls them and their +story doesn't not actually have a telephone number, and its +only address is through its accounting firm. That the USDoD +releases the information that it has been working with +ground-to-air laser focussing systems since 1981. That for +the first time the USDoD allowed members of the military to +appear on camera to talk about UFOs, and actually played up +the possibility that there are strange things happening in +the skies over south-Eastern England. The announcement last +week that the DoD was going to be putting its own smaller +satellites into orbit, and not rely on NASA, which is too +public and too unreliable. And so on. Such scattered +notes fit and enhance one scenario, and they do not fit any +other. + +It's a far too complicated matter for anyone to claim +certainty. But I don't go back on my simple point: since +the thread has ended, it has grown easier to accept this +explanation, and only more difficult to accept any other. +(And in any case, it's not half so tortured as what +Astrophysicists are having to do to shore up red-shift as +purely a cosmological factor, and directly and only related +to distance.) + + +#: 45837 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 06:11:07 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +If you start with the assumption that all big secrets +ultimately get leaked, (and the parameters of this one make +it a great candidate for ultimate "leaking"), then the DoD +is setting itself up for some bigtime embarrasment down the +road. If they are smart enough to pull this off, they are +certainly smart enough to recognize that it won't be a +secret forever. How will they explain the duplicity? or are +you suggesting that they really don't care? + + +#: 45844 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 07:59:08 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +>>But I don't go back on my simple point: since the thread +has ended, it has grown easier to accept this explanation, +and only more difficult to accept any other.<< + +In reading my prior message I realized I didn't address this +comment. Just wanted you to know that I agree totally with +this statement. Unfortunately, the *competing* theories, +being so relatively lightweight, provide a very poor +benchmark against which to make comparisons. + + +#: 45849 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 10:11:27 +Sb: CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 (X) + +Erik, thanks for permission to send this private exchange we +had when I responded to your #45760 to Jon Brunson regarding +secrecy and day/night testing, and assorted items. + +Before I became a freelance writer in the entertainment +industry (including credits in "Star Trek: Both +Generations," and also a lot of Earth stuff) I worked in a +division of RAND, in Santa Monica, as a Dept. Editor, and +was very involved in who got to know what. The SDI stuff +we're brainstorming would have been strictly Top Secret (I +only held Secret), and on an ironclad "need-to-know" basis. +Most of the people working on it would have no idea of the +nature of the goal - only the component(s) in which they +were involved - much like during the development of the A- +bomb. Project Managers wouldn't have come under this +category. SDI may be among the most sensitive projects +since then, if it is in fact a disinforming title. + +The group psychology and history could very well have come +from a Think Tank such as RAND, the product of a very few +specialists under NSA level security. That's heavy duty +*tight.* The chutzpah was in the funding of it, as it was +publicly described as something which couldn't work. And +now, in Bush's latest speeches on disarmament, he openly +speaks of rediverting some of the newly freed funds to SDI. +That is clearly chutzpah. There are other, even more +cockamamey projects that must have required even more of the +same in the selling. + +Anyway, on to night/day testing. + + +#: 45852 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 10:21:21 +Sb: #CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +You noted something which hasn't been discussed and should +have been - the day versus night testing. Accuracy over the +25,000 mile distance we're talking about would be +unpredictable altered by a daytime sky - if only by the +gravitational effects of the sun in bending light and other +radiations - the demonstration of which was one of the early +supports for Relativity. + +Another argument for night testing is the diminished chance +of a field being occupied at the time of exposure. Another +is that if laser-dot hot spots are used for sighting and +alignment, these would be much more effective at night. Yet +another is that R&D would be concerned mainly with the +effect, not the process. Night would give cover for an +effect that may take hours to complete. It would also make +the recording of sonic effects easier. + +And, a big unknown is the time lag between exposure and +effect, if any. As for R&D activities in general, I think we +can presume that the formation process itself would have +been thoroughly studied in smaller scales, as indicated by +the various experiments cited my Michael McDowell in other +messages. + +Your questions were good ones. + +Bob + + +#: 45853 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 10:21:36 +Sb: CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, your exposure to the people involved in these types of +projects clearly gives your opinion some credibility +regarding their capability to both invent and successfully +execute something this remarkable. I can only defer to your +judgement in that regard. Yet.......10 years is an awfully +long time for our government to keep anything truly secret. +Especially something that would have so many of its +participants quietly smirking at the great joke they were +playing on the world press. You have have referred to the +Manhattan Project several times and I am aware of the +remarkable secrecy that was enforced. But times have +changed dramatically since then and I suspect that similar +efforts today would be considerably less successful. + +>>Accuracy over the 25,000 mile distance we're talking about +would be unpredictably altered by a daytime sky - if only by +the gravitational effects of the sun in bending light and +other radiations<< + +Some of your other speculations for night circle formations +are persuasive, but this one needs a little more support. +For instance, it suggests that all the crop circles are +formed only when the satellite is in the earth's shadow. I +don't know what period of time a geosynchronous satellite +would be in the earth's shadow, but if this is a requirement +for accuracy, the project has a *long* way to go before it +results in any significant defensive capability. Same is +true if the process takes hours to complete. Why spend +millions putting up a space weapon platform that, after 10 +years of testing, requires hours to achieve the desired +effect? Seems to me that we wouldn't put it up until we had +largely overcome that difficulty. + + +#: 45854 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 10:21:41 +Sb: #CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +An additional issue I have yet to see addressed by this +theory is the obvious problem of what becomes of the testing +program when the "crop season" ends in Wiltshire. Just call +it a day and wait for next spring? Obviously not, yet no one +(at least none that I can recall) has put forth a theory as +to what testing alternatives go into effect in the fall and +winter. Your thoughts? + + +#: 45859 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 12:00:33 +Sb: CIRCLE.EXE +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 (X) + +Erik, I clearly have a lot to learn about the /split +commnad... This is in response to # 45853-4, your response +to my # 45851-2 (whatever the headers say.) They started out +private. Sorry about the chaos. + +I think I'm being read as suggesting a much more developed +stage of technology than we have actually reached. If my +theory is correct, I think that what we're seeing is the +very early stages of developing of something that may not +mature until the next century. Michael McDowell has cited +some of the experiments on laboratory scale, and I see +geosynchronous orbiter tests as a natural next step. I +think we're seeing the refinement of fundamental techniques, +not fully developed systems. I see fine tuning of prototype +technology, collimating methods, focussing - and even +learning to compensate for natural effects (such as gravity +bending and surface sphericity) at low levels of energy +compared to what it might lead to. + +I also see a natural evolution of the application of known +technologies to defense systems (hopefully) and other +applications. In my own mind what I'm doing is +extrapolating that which already exists and amplifying it +forward in time. The smart bombs demonstrated in Iraq were +certainly mind-blowers, given the relatively primitive toys +which the previous generation of guided missiles used - +which was awesome when it appeared. Nothing has been put +forth here based on a technology which doesn't in fact +already exist. We have put not millions, but billions into +it, and if we can make complex patterns in a field from a +sattelite, 10 years is a few minutes, having started with +simple lab experiments. + + +#: 45860 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 05-Oct-91 12:00:46 +Sb: #CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 (X) + +So what I'm saying is essentially in agreement with you, +Eric. It does indeed have a long way to go, but the signs +exist to anticipate what's coming. As to the completion +time of the process, I suspect that the actual exposure time +is quite short. I have no idea how long the effect takes to +become completed. Given the normal exponential acceleration +of development of such things as we're imagining (literally, +I'm sure many believe) we only have a glimmer of the +possibilities. If there is a geosynchronous sattelite over +England, I'd be surprised if it was more than an early +prototype of a technology that may not even have a name yet. + +The question in your last, "what happens when the crop +season ends in England," is, according to the latest +reports, answering itself. There has been a tremendous +proliferation of clustered events in other parts of the +world - including Japanese rice fields. I don't know when +they harvest rice, but it's happening. And as was noted in +some priors, we're being handed Air Force UFO stories now, +as though the Metaphysical cover is about to be handed to +the UFOlogists, so that other sites can be visited openly. + +Given the proliferation of other current sites, I'd say the +testing alternatives for fall and winter are already being +tuned up, if not operating. + +Bob + + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45884 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 02:41:05 +Sb: #45837-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +I don't start with the assumption that all big secrets +ultimately get leaked. Or, rather, even if they do, the +truth is not always universally accepted. + +In general, the higher you go in any chain of command, +whether in corporate America, the White House, the Military, +Hollywood studios, or the Boy Scouts of America -- +decisions can be (and very often are) made for trivial +reasons, that usually have to do with personal ego, and +rarely with the ultimate good of an organization. It's only +rarely possible to trace these things back. Which is to +say, I don't know why the military, or intelligence, or +whatever is working the way they are (if indeed they are +involved at all in the crop circles). I can imagine, +however, that allowing the UFO incident in the early 80s in +se England to have the participation of military personnel +was an attempt to confuse the crop circle business even +further. (The show also included mock-ups of purported +ships, and the light effects were suggested; it is possible +that these were deliberately slanted away from the actual +effects, a case of image disinformation.) + +By the way, I do not consider the above evidence of +anything. But if the military do have somewhat to do with +the crop circles, then the above makes sense of an abrupt +and apparently unique departure of practice by the military. +I like theories which explain other phenomena, more than I +like theories that have to be altered in order to fit other +phenomena. + + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45885 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 02:47:01 +Sb: #45854-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +I read that the two gentlemen who confessed to the crop +circles, tried to produce another in daylight and before +witnesses. But its quality was distinctly below par. They +blamed this on the fact that it was so near to harvest. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45886 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 03:03:40 +Sb: #45852-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob: + +Maybe you or someone else here can look at the 12 Sept 91 +issue of Nature, and see if the discussions there bear more +than the obvious relevance to what we're talking about. +There's even a photograph (oddly fake-looking) of a laser +beaming up to a point in the atmosphere. They discuss +making pin-point of light at heights of 1 K, and then also +at 80-100K. + +The News and Views article talks about the secret military +testing of laser optics through the atmosphere, which was +only partially de-classified a few months ago. The two +articles themselves give detailed explanations of +experiments partially based on the military work as applied +to telescopes. I don't have the knowledge to figure this +out. Primmerman et al.'s work was supported by the Defense +Advanced Research Projects Agency, the Strategic Defense +Initiative Organization and the Army Strategic Defense +Command. The Lincoln Lab (MIT) scientists worked out of the +Mt Haleakala telescope and beam director on Maui. + + +#: 45887 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 06:15:10 +Sb: #45886-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Thanks for the tip on the Nature article, Michael. Among +the times that try persons' souls is when they let the wrong +subscription lapse. Like, I need Conde Nast right now. + +The reason for the classification of military +laser/telescope technology may have been due to its use in +the Stealth fighter in hot-spotting Cruise missile targets. +With current disclosures about the Stealth's (relatively) +high visibility to "pulsed" low frequency radar. There may +be a need to loosen "need-to-know" (the usual reason for +diminished classification) to preserve or increase funding +in that specific area. On the other hand... + +The telescope research is especially intriguing, as the +curvature of the mirror (presuming reflectors) must be a +super-precise parabola (as opposed to circle or ellipse) to +focus all the visible wavelengths to a white spot. As a +childhood amateur telescope maker, I remember the anguish of +chromatic abberation if it wasn't just right. When you +start talking about the ranges you describe, and the funding +agencies, It's certainly suggestive - not of answers so much +as new questions. I'll follow up on the references. Thanks. + +Bob + + +#: 45888 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 06:15:17 +Sb: #45885-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Michael, has anybody yet tried faking one of the straight +line formations connecting circles, complete with parallel, +unconnected bars, (the ones that look so much like sighting +reticules) without leaving a trace of their traverse to or +from the sight? + +Do they use stilts, or what? I once had a Chevvie that +cornered like stilts... + +In all fairness, I'm sure some of the formations are +fakes... Uh, I wonder how one fakes a circle in a rice +paddy. They're in the Orient, now. + +Bob + + +#: 45889 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 07:21:37 +Sb: #45884-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Michael, I cannot take issue with anything you said. The +recent willingness of the military establishment to +participate in UFO discussions is indeed a curious turn of +events. + +In any event, if the military is responsible for crop circle +formation, some person or group of people is coordinating +the various aspects of the program. Can you or Bob cite any +historical precedent for a military disinformation campaign +(in modern history) that reached so deeply into pop culture? +Is it possible that the dimensions of this campaign are so +wide as to overreach itself and thus guarantee that people +such as yourself will take note and try to strip the covers +off? + + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45890 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 07:21:48 +Sb: #45860-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +>>If there is a geosynchronous sattelite over England, I'd +be surprised if it was more than an early prototype of a +technology that may not even have a name yet.<< + +Bob, would seem that under the discussed scenario the +question is not "if" but "how many". Unless geosynchronous +satellites have a helluva lot more maneuverability than I +ever expected. Where is/are it/they? Over Britain, Japan, +Australia? And assuming your explanation to be correct, +that's great for this year if the other sightings do turn +out to be legit. But what about prior years when the whole +phenomena evaporated at the end of September? + +Please don't misinterpret my queries as anything more than +an effort to facilitate the fleshing out of a theory that +remains the best explanation I've yet heard for the origin +of crop circles. So far you are doing a splendid job. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45920 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 06-Oct-91 16:52:57 +Sb: #45889-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +Any historical precedent? + +A disinformation campaign about the dangers of nuclear +radiation. It continues today. Nobody's dying, nobody +died. Nobody's sick, nobody ever got sick except a little +nausea. + +And, I also remember, a few years in there when we were not +bombing Laos, and no planes were flying over Cambodia, and +even today, the CIA still doesn't get any money from poppies +in the poppy fields of those beleaguered lands. I believe +there are still a few Big Deals that we don't know about +Vietnam, mostly the getting-in part -- and if I'm right, +there's a second fiction the military has maintained for +over ten years. + + +#: 45949 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 06:46:16 +Sb: #45890-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Eric, your queries are terrific! The whole purpose of this +is to literally brainstorm the Q's and A's from different +perspectives, that will fill in a "most credible possible +scenario." I was very pleased by your compliment, and thank +you for it. If I'm giving good answers, it's because I'm +getting quality questions. + +The question, having come this far with the line of inquiry, +is indeed *how many,* and not *if.* I hope I can get the +/split command right, because I need to lay out some stuff +about geosynchronous sattelites. If you already know the +fundamentals, forgive me, but other readers may not know. A +geosynchronous sattelite is one that maintains a fixed +position over a point on the earth. It does this by +maintaining an altitude high enough so that orbital velocity +is the same as the speed of the rotation of the earth below +it - the required altitude is about 25,000 miles. + +They can be launched as the payload of a conventional +booster, or deployed from a Shuttle - the super-secret +missions of which date back to around the time Wiltshire +began having its "experience." One is simply released from +the cargo bay, and propelled upward to synchronous altitude +with it's own propulsion system. If payload requirements +allow the necessary systems and fuel, they can also be +retrieved by lowering them with ground control commands to a +decaying orbit, followed by a rendezvous with a Shuttle, +which can retrieve it, bring it home, repair it, refuel it, +even redeploy it. (The Hubble Telescope is due for a repair, +when "other priorities" are out of the way.) + +(Networking and other stuff follows) + +[More] + + +#: 45950 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 06:46:29 +Sb: #45949-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +The first geosynchronous satellites (GS's for short) were +Intelligence gatherers, but at the turn of the '80's became +better known for their "sattelite weather pictures" on the +TV news. Before pilots could get the pictures directly, +they used to watch the 6:00 A.M. CNN news for them. It was +more informative than a weather briefing. More and more +GS's got deployed, and now the earth is pretty well covered. +There was a bad hole in the coverage, until recently, when +one of the Pacific GS's went out. + +More recently, a network of them was deployed to furnish +global navigation servcices to ships at sea, and aircraft, +and is performing superbly. Another was recently deployed as +a communication link for Shuttles, to relay communications +when the Shuttle was out of range of a ground station. +Always a dangerous time. So, "how many" is a given. I +don't know how many in close proximity it requires to "do a +Wiltshire," but clusters would be simple. And yes, they +have considerable local maneuverability. Using on board +thrusters, small changes in altitude would result in lateral +movement, aided by directional thrusters. If we could +control a soft lunar lander (Surveyor, on which my father +was a Senior Scientist) in the early '60's, precisely +maneuvering a GS at a fraction of that distance is no big +deal. + +I would presume that the number has proliferated +considerably, and that the ones were talking about are +networked. (I'll be back in a few minutes with an +interesting reference from the original upload, +CIRCLE.TXT...) + +Bob + + +#: 45952 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 07:23:13 +Sb: CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 + +Eric, following up on my prior about sattelite positioning, +I went to extract something that Michael McDowell had +contributed to CIRCLE.TXT, in his message #888 therein. We +had been discussing what was controversial, in England, of +the disposition of Castle Herstmonceaux, a prior site of the +Royal Greenwich Observatory. It's in the area of crop +circle activity. Countering a bit of disinformation that the +telescopes there were no longer in use, a correspondent +Englishman on CompuServe wrote: + +"The Satellite Laser Ranger scope at Herstmonceaux is still +used by the RGO [Royal Greenwich Observatory] for measuring +orbits of artificial sattelites, for measuring precise +earth-rotation parameters..." + +Michael also noted in that message, since confirmed, that in +the 1991 season crop circles have spread across Europe, with +"notable formations appearing in Sweden, near Wiesbaden and +near Cologne in Germany, in the Netherlands, in Italy, in +Bulgaria, In Yugoslavia, and in Siberia. About three dozen +have been formed in Japan." + +Bob + + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45953 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 08:24:21 +Sb: #45920-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Michael, I wanted to add a bit to the list of disinformation +campains, though in some cases the disinformation was +intended not for the pop culture, but for its elected +leaders. (I also want to apologize for ripping off your +stuff about Castle Herstmonceaux in a prior to eric, and +signing my name twice on something. At least I've mastered +/split.) + +Since Lincoln's time, with the help of General McClellan's +private secret service under Alan Pinkerton, disinformation +of presidents in service to the private agendas of other +power bases and, sometimes, commercial interests has been +routine. More recently, it was done to Roosevelt, Truman, +Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Reagan. Bush's +roots speak for themselves. Without turning this political +and coming off as the flaming radical which I am not, the +Eisenhower disinformation left a legacy which still lives, +and it all turns on a word, and a suitable beginning is +Iran. + +Early in the McCarthy period, one did not challenge the use +of the word "communism" in expressing something to shoot at. +I know in the '50's, I didn't. Given the Korean War, +Hungary, and all the rest, one could be very anti-communist +and be a flaming liberal in domestic affairs, all at the +same time. That pretty well describes me, nobody could be +more pleased at the recent turns in world politics viz a viz +democratization than me. That unequivocally said, when +Mossadegh tried to nationalize Iran's oil,('50's) Eisenhower +was persuaded this was communism in action, and the CIA got +its first shot at deposing heads of state. We installed the +Shah and trained his secret police, the Sadak. It gets +better... + + +[More] + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45954 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 08:24:35 +Sb: #45953-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +This was soon followed by the news that Arbenz, the leftist +president of Guatemala, was going to nationalize the +agronomy. The CIA went in and he was history. Another +communist down the tubes. Then along comes Castro to make a +deal with us - in which his nationalization of the United +Fruit Co. was the deal breaker that opened the Cuban door to +Russia. At the time we were paying for sugar at a rate +determined by a 1903 treaty, and United Fruit had a total +monopoly. Castro started in the Sierra Maestra of Oriente +province because the Fruit Co. owned *two thirds* of the +province outright, and he knew recruitment would be easy. +What the pop culture didn't know was that among the chief +attorneys, members of the board, a chairman of the board, +and the principal stockholders were John Foster Dulles (Sec. +of State), his brother Allen (head of CIA), Senator Henry +Cabot Lodge (whose father shot down the League of Nations), +Walter Bedell Smith, A couple of other Cabots and Lodges, +and three Latin American ambassadors, one of whom didn't +speak Spanish. So it was never about ideology, it was about +money, and we bought military dictatorships to protect it. +This legacy, as well as the Iranian void left by the +inevitable revolt against the Shah, filled by the +fundamentalists, still lives. + +So does the disinformation of Johnson about the Gulf of +Tonkin, etc. It pervades us by the twisting of labels. +STAR Wars being really EARTH wars. Old hat. The +Intelligence Agencies even disinform each other in their +turf wars. + +Anyway, back to Wiltshire! + +Bob + + +#: 45989 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 22:08:57 +Sb: #45798-#Crop circles +Fm: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Hmmmmm..... I just had a particularly bad idea.... Have +you heard about the mysterious deaths of technicians and +engineers in England in the past few years? Could there be +a connection? It's been suggested for a long time that +they're related to a MJ-12 sort of conspiracy, but maybe +they could be related to terrestrial defense research +instead. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 45990 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 07-Oct-91 23:14:35 +Sb: #45989-Crop circles +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 + +I do know of the deaths. I had not connected them with the +crop circles, and I think I still don't. There was, or is, +a faltering attempt to connect each of the scientists to UFO +research, but I've not even seen a list of names of these +engineers and technicians. + +If the deaths are related, the timing -- well before the +circles business had begun to escalate -- is off. I also +believe that agents of the British or the U.S. government +would dispose of dangerous elements in some way that was +less conspicuous than leaving a corpse tied to a table at +the bottom of a lake. Of course this makes me wonder if the +claim is true that all these deaths have been ruled +suicides... + +This is one of those mysteries which, to me, doesn't fit in +with the CIRCLES hypothesis. I'd love to see more facts, +however, for the business is talked about in rather a +mythologizing way; where it's only helpful if somebody hauls +out lists and tables and clippings. It would be helpful, +in fact, to dispose of the deaths as a related phenomenon. +CIRCLES isn't going to be telling us what became of Charlie +Ross, and things only get confusing if we try to gather in +too much. I had been reluctant to suggest Herstmonceaux, +but now I'm glad I did. So if anyone knows enough to shoot +this down, or shore it up, tell +all. + + +#: 46006 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 17:33:00 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Michael, your message #45833 suggested that the two men who +confessed to the crop circle hoax acted in a manner +afterwards that suggested they were perhaps the unwitting +dupes of the DoD. If true it would suggest a remarkable +dichotomy in the level of sophistication between the +technical end of the project and the disinformation campaign +intended to keep it secret. The enlistment of those two +bumpkins by some shady arm of the intelligence community +reflects a level of amateurish clumsiness that makes one +wonder how the project could possibly have remained secret +this long. It seems totally out of character with the level +of sophistication that this thread has assumed is at work. + +In the same message you comment on the USDoD recent release +of info relative to ground-to-air laser focussing systems. +Your comment suggests such releases of info is unusual. I +don't know what specific info you are referring to, but as a +long-term subscriber to Aviation Week, I see new SDI +articles on a weekly basis. That's not why I subscribe so I +generally don't read those particular articles in detail +but, on a weekly basis, they are reporting on particle beam +technology, space-based lasers, railgun technology, etc. So, +my question is this: what specific news has *recently* come +out of the defense establishment that adds something new to +the debate about crop circles? + + +#: 46007 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 17:33:10 +Sb: CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Any historical precedent? + +You cite 2 historical precedents for the existence of large- +scale disinformation campaigns sponsored by the defense +community. Even making the large assumption that they exist +as you believe them to, they are fairly small-scale and +narrowly focused productions in comparison to what this +thread is postulating. They were (are?) essentially little +more than passive "stonewalling" tactics to hide either a +mistake (fallout) or a politically embarrasing breach of +international protocol(Cambodia). Neither would seem to +provide strong evidence that the necessary mindset exists to +conceive and execute a disinformation campaign of the scale +that this thread addresses. + + +#: 46008 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 17:33:30 +Sb: #CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +To catch up on several points in your recent postings: +There are some aspects to the geosynchronous satellite +discussion that seem to me to require further refinement. + +Firstly, such satellites would be a poor selection as a +weapons testing platform for any program that wants to +remain secret. Their deployment is eminently trackable if +only because of the long rocket firing necessary to get them +to the extremely high altitude necessary for a +geosynchronous orbit. I find the concept of a "stealthy" +geosynchronous satellite to be fairly remote. So, it's +ability to sit over UK for years and remain undiscovered +while performing nightly test firings just seems a little +farfetched. (No one has yet mentioned the necessity for the +"beams" to contain large amounts of energy but emit almost +no visible light!) + +Secondly, the issue of what happens when the crop circle +"season" ends has not been adequately addressed. You +speculated that a multitude of geosynchronous satellites are +in orbit. Why put up more than one (much less establish a +network) if it does no more than replicate the same testing +over a different area? Geosynchronous satellites are +incredibly expensive due to the expense associated with +getting them into a 25,000 mile orbit. Putting up more than +one simply to perpetuate a disinformation campaign is a +stretch. Only a second generation testbed could possibly +justify that expense, and there is no evidence yet discussed +of any large breakthroughs in what these presumed satellites +are capable of doing. Why select a location (Wiltshire) +which provides only a seasonal testing ground? The marginal +maneuverability of a geosynchronous satellite precludes any +serious likelihood that the one speculated to be over +Britain could be rapidly moved into place over Australia or +Japan. We have great fuel limitations in + +[continued in the reply] + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 46009 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 17:33:47 +Sb: #46008-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (X) + +[continued] +merely adjusting our current NOAA satellites to give proper +Atlantic Ocean coverage, let alone shifting them back and +forth on an intercontinental basis. Again, maybe 1991 will +be the year that the phenomena continues after the crop +season ends in Wiltshire. But what explains the absence of +fall and winter activity in prior years? + +Thirdly, Michael noted the spread of crop circles to Sweden, +Italy, et al. Can you or Michael please reference the +source of this info. My ENS clipping folders haven't picked +up any such stories nor are any stories found in an online +search of UK newspapers as late as this afternoon. + +Fourthly, your ruminations on the subject of cold war +disinformation campaigns are food for thought but they +address the crop circle phenomena in a tangential manner at +best. The interpretation of recent geopolitical events is a +topic on which you will never achieve any meaningful +consensus. (Spend some time in the Issues forum if you want +daily evidence of that!) Hence, butressing your crop +circle/SDI theory through their utilization probably does +more to muddy the water than clarify. It also provides +opportunities for readers who disagree with your perceived +political bent to question the credibility of all your prior +postings. Both you and Michael have referred to past +disinformation campaigns and those comments have been +informative. But neither of you has mentioned any campaign +focused solely on a weapons development issue that is a true +analog to the subject of this thread. + +Sorry to be so long-winded here. Once I got going more and +more questions came +to mind. + +PS: I may be misinformed (certainly wouldn't be the first +time), but I don't think Hubble is geosynchronous. + + +#: 46020 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 22:04:57 +Sb: #46019-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 + + I remeber noting one example of weapons system +disinformation, the Manhattan Project, but that was +dismissed as being out of date. In fact it's not. I have +an extensive collection of antique newspapers, starting with +the war between Charley Two and Cromwell in 1642, and on +through the 1980's, an a lot of stuff from WWII. Many +weapons system that took years to develop weren't known of +until they'd been successfully tested. Likewise nuclear +subs, missiles we still haven't been told exist, it goes on +and on. + +If I could give you a more recent campaign of this magnitude +(which the others are not) I'd be on "60 Minutes" and not +here. You're asking for data I have no way of having. I +too read Aviation Week, and it also disinforms on occasion. +That's how they get away with printing the classified stuff +they do. One hand feeds the other. There's other stuff to +read, too. As to the other events for which you requested +documentation, I carefully put in quotes the statement, (I +hope, and if I didn't please insert them) that it was a +response from an English correspondent. I included them +because I had seen the same places mentioned (on a smaller +scale) in the foreign press, and discussed on short wave +commercial radio from other parts of the world, to which I +listen regularly. Crop circles are a global item. + +The other point you addressed was the "visibility" of high +energy beams at night. Too many meteorological variables +keep this from being arguable - not to mention Tom +Genereaux's mention of other energy forms than optical or +microwave which might be involved. I wish I knew.. + +Bob + + +#: 46021 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 08-Oct-91 22:38:31 +Sb: #45990-Crop circles +Fm: Jim Shaffer Jr. 72750,2335 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +I haven't seen a list of names either, but there's +supposedly one at the back of Sydney Sheldon's new novel +"The Doomsday Conspiracy", which just happens to be about +silencing the witnesses to a UFO crash. (It seems Sheldon +is cashing in on the UFO craze. Except for the list of +names, though, I don't think it's an attempt at "fiction +based on the truth" like STrieber's "Roswell" and the very +controversial books by W. A. Harbinson. For one thing, the +crash takes place in Switzerland (never heard of one there) +and for another, the aliens are benevolent.) + + +#: 46028 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 09-Oct-91 05:09:22 +Sb: #46019-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +HST's orbit is nowhere near geosyncronous (mean altitude +~600 km, period 97 minutes). + + -fjh + + +#: 46033 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 09-Oct-91 07:53:56 +Sb: #46028-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 + +Thanks for the information, Frank. It corrects a general +misconception held here about its whereabouts. Would you +happen to know if that was its originally intended +operational orbit, or a holding orbit pending the scheduled +1993 repair mission? Would you also happen to know how its +stabilized on a celestial target, given that 97 minute +period? I'd be very grateful for any information you might +have about it. The people at JPL gave the impression that +it was quite maneuverable, and they originally wanted it +higher than that. + +Bob + + +#: 92349 S14/News/Current Events + 12-Oct-91 01:02:09 +Sb: #92338-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Michael, I thought you and Sheldon Cohen might enjoy the +following update, extracted from a CIS letter I received +last night. The correspondent is a resident of Wiltshire, +the site of the most publicized sitings, and is actively +engaged in the research. + +It refers to a crop event near Barbury Castle, in August of +this year, one of the most spectacular to date. + + "... The farmer in whose field it formed in the +second week of August has offered a reward of twenty +thousand pounds to anyone who can replicate it, the downside +is that if you cannot you pay him ten thousand pounds for +damage to his wheat field; so far there have been no takers. +The two characters, Doug & Dave, who claimed to be the +authors of all the formations have not taken up this offer +and are now being prosecuted by the farmers Union for damage +to crops much to everyone's amusement !" + +I guess Time Magazine missed something... + +Bob + + +#: 46142 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 11-Oct-91 17:56:34 +Sb: #46019-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, glad to see your posting in the Astronomy forum. Maybe +we'll get some contributions from folks with the technical +expertise to address some of the issues that have been +raised. Reason I was browsing in that forum was that I had +earlier requested their expertise regarding the possibility +of recovering GS satellites. I posted a question asking +anyone if they were aware of a GS satellite ever being +recovered after insertion into GS orbit. Response follows: + + +Message: #92245, S/3 Satellite Observing +Date: Thu, Oct 10, 1991 4:57:09 AM +Subject: #92199-GS satellites +From: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 (deletable) + + +No Eric, nobody has the OOMPH to send a manned capsule into +Clarke orbit. Certainly not the US. And although the CIA and +NSA people dont always speak up about what they know the +russians are doing , I think launching Soyuz capsules to +geostationary orbit with Energia would be obvious anyway. + +Bob, I haven't forgotten your last message. Am still +mulling it over. + +-Erik- + + +#: 92264 S3/Satellite Observing + 10-Oct-91 15:47:56 +Sb: #92245-GS satellites +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 (X) + +Tony, you confirmed what I already suspected. Thanks! + + +#: 92351 S3/Satellite Observing + 12-Oct-91 02:02:51 +Sb: #92264-GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, I'm pleased the discussion has departed the E.T. +section of SPACE and finally found it's way here. There is +also discussion on ASTRO/News/ Current Events. + +When I suggested the possibility of geosynchronous satellite +(GS) retrieval, I never envisioned sending the Shuttle into +Clarke orbit, but rather bringing the GS down. I understand +from an unclassified source at JPL that this is possible. I +hope Tony Beresford or someone who believes differently will +comment. + +Since geosynchronicity is a matching of GS period to the +rotation of the earth - this being altitude dependent - the +scenario with which I was presented involved "goosing" the +GS downward into a controllable decaying orbit, and +rendezvousing a Shuttle with it at a lower altitude - on the +order of 600-800 km. I'm informed that Hubble is at 600 +km., 97 min. period, for just that purpose. + +Payload accommodation for fuel, thrusters, and control +systems might be considerable to enable recoverability, but +as I understand it this capability (or its development) is +part of the program and has been for some time. If it's +been done, nobody's talking. + +Corrections are welcome. This isn't about being right, but +rather finding out what is. + +Bob + + +#: 92355 S3/Satellite Observing + 12-Oct-91 06:31:40 +Sb: #92348-GS satellites +Fm: John McDonnell 73437,3202 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +It is certainly possible to build-in retrieval capability +for a GEO satellite; there simply isn't generally a need. +For example, a geosynchronous communications satellite which +has worn out generally isn't worth fixing anyway (i.e. not +worth the cost, loss of payload, etc.) + + +#: 92374 S3/Satellite Observing + 12-Oct-91 21:39:13 +Sb: #92348-GS satellites +Fm: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +I rather think the required payload of rocket would reduce +useful payload to a very small amount. Consider that the +scenario you are suggesting is equivalent to the velocity +increment given by the third stage and the circularising +burn to get to Clarke Orbit. An ion motor solution seems +most reasonable but there are no flight ready electric +propulsion systems in use. + + +#: 92386 S3/Satellite Observing + 13-Oct-91 00:52:27 +Sb: #92355-GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: John McDonnell 73437,3202 + +Thanks for the response, John. The origin of the inquiry +related to the thread concerning a "special circumstance" +scenario. This is laid out in the CIRCLE.TXT thread, which +speculates (among other things) that the "crop events" in +Wiltshire, England, and elsewhere, are (among other things) +the artifacts of preliminary SDI experiments employing +laser/maser/other technology originating in GEO satellites +over the affected sites. As opposed to a comsat, landsat, +navigational device, or weather satellite, a need for +retrievability and redeployment can be envisioned. + +Answer we needed was whether it could be done at all. If it +is SDI under a brilliant cover (the obfuscating nature of +the site), and under an inverted title (Earth as opposed to +Star), many puzzles fall into place. Also, budget becomes +unlimited, and the only remaining question on the particular +point becomes conceivability of the concept of GEO access. + +Thanks again. + +Bob + + +#: 46157 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 12-Oct-91 00:25:06 +Sb: #46142-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Thanks for redirecting me, Erik. It's much appreciated. I +responded to your exchange with Tony Beresford over on +ASTRO/SATTELITE OBSERVING. I'm grateful to you for the +referral. For thread readers here, those are the places to +look for continued activity. + +So as not to leave anyone hanging, my query about retrieving +GS's was in the context of goosing the GS down to a lower +orbit, not sending the Shuttle up to get it. + +See you on ASTRO. + +Bob + + +#: 46158 S7/Extraterrestrials? + 12-Oct-91 00:25:11 +Sb: #46142-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Almost forgot... re that last message you're mulling over, +I'll look for a response here, or the thread might get +scattered all over the place. Thanks again for keeping me +current as to where the action is. + +Bob + + +#: 92651 S3/Satellite Observing + 18-Oct-91 19:15:30 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, got a little distracted with political events the past +week. Talk about a conspiracy! + +Anyway, I've enjoyed our past discussions of crop circles as +possible artifacts of SDI testing. The Fox television +network aired a special program tonite entitled "The UFO +Report: Sightings". It contained a segment on crop circles. +Not surprisingly, it focused on them as almost certainly +related to UFO activity. The best part was some great aerial +photos of the more recent "pictogram" formations. I'm not +sure why, but those dramatic photos never fail to get the +juices running! Seldom does an unexplained phenomena +display itself in such a flagrant "I dare you to figure me +out" manner. + +The failure of the Fox show to make any reference to the +possible high-tech human origins of crop circles just gives +me more confidence that SDI testing is the most likely +explanation. Why look for extraterrestrial explanations +when much more prosaic explanations remain to be +investigated? I confess that I remain highly skeptical that +GS satellites are involved. Also, some aspects of the +alleged disinformation campaign that we previously discussed +strike me as fairly remote. However, your prior comment +that noted the crop circle patterns resemblance to +sighting/aiming reticules strikes me as the single most +insightful observation yet made regarding their possible +origin. + +The aforementioned Fox show also claimed that circles were +showing up in Japan, Canada and elsewhere. Sure wish I +could get some "hard" news to confirm those claims. The +spread of genuine "Wiltshire type" circles to other parts of +the globe would be a fascinating development. + + +#: 92262 S14/News/Current Events + 10-Oct-91 11:54:20 +Sb: #92250-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Sheldon Cohen, TN 72140,327 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +According to Time magazine a week or two ago, the crop +circles were created by two British hoaxsters who finally +came forward. Their biggest problem weas that for a long +time no one noticed their circles. + + +#: 92305 S14/News/Current Events + 11-Oct-91 06:40:56 +Sb: #92262-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Sheldon Cohen, TN 72140,327 + +Sheldon, there's little doubt that some of the "crop events" +are the product of hoaxers. To look at quality photographs +of the simultaneous events in the publications referenced in +circle.txt, consider the 11 year history of increasing +sophistication and size and simultanaeity of immense +formations, the hoaxers from last week's "Time" are history +even in Britain. Over the past year 20/20 did two serious +pieces on these events, and Hugh Downs is one of the world's +great skeptics. I call them events because most of them are +far too full of linear componenents - some of them +connecting the circles, complete with mid line +perpendiculars and bisections, all aligned with the crop +furrows already in the fields - to be called "circles." + +Many look more like target reticules projected through a +stencil, others are immense replicas of archeological +patterns already on site with a 5000 year old history. +Presuming a laser/maser/other coherent beam with a projected +diameter of a fraction of a centimeter, through a stencil, a +beam spread of the hundreds of yards which charactarize +these "cookie cutouts" is not inconsistent with an origin +from the 25000 mile altitude of a geosynchronous orbiter. + +Hoaxers account for some, not all, and we're not about +UFO's, unless they're of human manufacture. This is a very +real, underpubicized mystery which has been under study by +serious scientists for years. Circle.txt referenced again in +the following, will be a surprise to many. + + +#: 92338 S14/News/Current Events + 11-Oct-91 20:21:01 +Sb: #92262-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Sheldon Cohen, TN 72140,327 (X) + +They have been unable to reproduce their work by daylight, +however, and with witnesses. They were sponsored by a "news +agency" which does not have a telephone, its only address is +c/o an up-scale accounting firm, and it has apparently no +other clients and no other stories. This is covered in the +CIRCLE.TXT, to some extent. The incidence of crop circles +would have required these two men, in their sixties, to +create two or three circles a night every night for the +entire length of the English growing season. When they were +asked, on English television, if they had ever been employed +by any intelligence agency, they laughed, but did not give a +precise reply. + +Most of the above is circumstantial. Their complete +inability to reproduce even a single simple circle under +conditions that were far more favorable (light, no need for +silence, or the obliteration of all footprints) than those +under which they claimed to have succeeded so frequently, is +what kills this particular hope for this simple, and un- +sinister solution. + +(I should make it clear that I am a participant in the +thread that made up CIRCLE.TXT, but I have been a member of +this forum for almost a year now, and log in every day -- +that is, I'm not appearing here for the sole purpose of +defending and promoting a pet theory. In fact, I log on +every day in hope of finding a dozen messages hammering on +the issue of cosmological redshifts. I can hardly wait till +I can read an article in Nature, or in Science News, or +anywhere else for that matter, that doesn't automatically +assume that redshift = distance and distance alone.) + + +#: 92387 S3/Satellite Observing + 13-Oct-91 00:52:37 +Sb: #92374-GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +Thanks for the informative response, Tony. At least it's +theoretically possible. As you may have noted in priors, +the question concerns hypothetical SDI experiments addressed +in CIRCLE.TXT and its subsequent thread, and some of the +English "crop events" being artifacts of same. + +Presuming unlimited budget, a small nuclear propulsion unit +employing high thrust, impulse thrusters using superheated +gasses, and the purely speculative idea that more than one +Shuttle payload might be joined before deployment to +Clarkesville, does it then become a rational element of the +dialogue - especially presuming NSA top secret development +over a ten or eleven year period. + +The "crop events" began as primitive circles around the time +the high frequency super secret Shuttle missions began, and +have been growing in sophistication ever since. That's the +genesis of this inquiry, + +One last brain-pick... do you or someone else know the +unclassified version of the size/weight of a current Shuttle +payload? + +Again, thanks for the information. + +Bob + + +#: 92388 S3/Satellite Observing + 13-Oct-91 08:20:02 +Sb: #92374-GS satellites +Fm: Allen Thomson 72757,1325 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +>no flight ready electric propulsion systems in use + +Minor correction: the FUSSR and the now-defunct USSR have +used plasma thrusters on a variety of GEO and LEO satellites +for many years. Coupled to a nuclear power source, scaled-up +versions of these engines could perform the orbit-changing +maneuvers being discussed here. + + +#: 92427 S3/Satellite Observing + 14-Oct-91 08:03:58 +Sb: #92422-#GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +Tony, a belief is developing that the "novel plot" is indeed +the reason that so much classified money is poured into SDI, +with more to come (thanks to progress in disarmament talks) +for eleven years, and speculation as to some of the payloads +of super-secret Shuttle flights. This thread began with the +upload on Sept. 22 of CIRCLE.TXT (with klutzy file +description due to Tapcis inexperience) to the +ISSUES/PARANORMAL Library 10, for want of a better place to +put it. A thread started on SPACE/EXTRATERRESTRIALS around +Msg. # 45328. I fervently hope that both will be read, as +we have finally attained neo-respectability by our presence +here, which is where we wanted to be in the first place. + +Since CIRCLE.TXT is a thread from the "Science & Health" +forum of the (members only Writers' Guild of America (WGA), +West, Inc., Los Angeles, dealing with the Wiltshire "crop +events," proposing that some of them are artifacts of GS +borne SDI experiments in maser/laser/other EARTH directed +technology. + +I realize that as professional writers, we would +understandably be perceived as developing "novel" plots. +This is not the case, here. Writers may have well-exercized +pattern-recognition skills, but the scenario this thread +produced has not been discussed elsewhere, and we sincerely +wanted it introduced into the international discussion. +Before I was writing "Star Trek: Both Generations," +"Bonanza," "Marcus Welby, M.D.," "The Equalizer," and some +movies, I was a Dept. Editor in a then RAND division. My +late father was a Senior Scientist on Surveyor, at Hughes, +and the arduous process of getting on the Astronomy Forum +involved no E.T.'s or metaphysics. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 92428 S3/Satellite Observing + 14-Oct-91 08:04:10 +Sb: #92427-GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +The thread already available in CIRCLE.TXT and the +SPACE/E.T.'s messages have brought the reasoning as to how, +by whom, why there, what for, hoaxes or not, etc. to a point +of evolution that I think will come as a surprise to many, +here, who are willing to suspend disbelief long enough to +read the material already on CIS, and, if interested, do +everything in their power to shoot down its dominant theory. + +CIRCLE.TXT represents only the views of the participants, +and not its host forum or the WGA. It was uploaded with +consent of all participants. Even the skeptics thought it +deserved discussion. + +If we were fictioneering, we wouldn't be trying so hard to +attract the discussion of the the truly knowledgeable people +that we would expect to frequent this forum. From some of +the messages on /SPACE/E.T., I suspect some did participate, +feeling their professional credentials were safe. + +I'm very grateful to you and the others who have been +willing to take us seriously enough to answer our questions +and correct our lay misconceptions. I truly hope the +material already posted and uploaded is examined, and the +"novel plot" continues to be brainstormed. + +Bob + + +#: 92429 S3/Satellite Observing + 14-Oct-91 08:04:25 +Sb: #92423-#GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +Allen, I hope you managed to read my priors to Tony +Beresford. I'm pretty knowledgable in the workings of the +National Security Act, and though the prior development of +this thread as cited there, and elsewhere, is informed +speculation based on unclassified sources, I know that some +of you are professionals and working under clearances. For +the record, none of the participants in the CIS thread(s) +except Michael McDowell, who I know well, have ever met +anywhere but here. + +Your message to Allen Thompson presumes that what the US has +flown is known. It also presumes that the Russians aren't +aware of it, and that it might not be an international co- +venture, (perhaps Anglo/American), which is developing +coherent beam technology (maser, laser, other) as the +military equalizer of the 21st century. It would portent a +rationale for some recent geopilitical developments, and +promise a control over Third World nuclear proliferation, so +calling it a Manhattan Project of the 21st century isn't +necessararily a doomsday paranoia. The same security +methods might apply. + +The super-secret Shuttle missions begin around the time of +the first "crop circle" events in Wiltshire, England, where +I understand is also located the Royal Greenwich +Observatory's orbital tracking and earth-rotation +measurement facility for a number of years, now. My working +premise is that *some* of the "crop events" are artifacts of +tests originating in GS(s) over the site. Most are within a +100 mile radius of Stonehenge, and have progressed in +sophistication over the period of the secret Shuttle +flights. Placing the images in an area with a 5000 year +archaeological and metaphysical history would be a brilliant +cover. "It's an old story...", making the rules of +evidence unmaginable. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 92430 S3/Satellite Observing + 14-Oct-91 08:04:38 +Sb: #92429-GS satellites +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +Hardly anyone has closely examined the high quality +photographs currently in print, because they have been +relegated to the occult book shelves. That something +extraordinary is happening, as opposed to paranormal, seems +unarguable. Lately, the density and grographic range of the +events has been spreading - 30 in Japan in the past few +months. + +To let Tony off the hook of suggesting a coverup, I'll be +happy to make the suggestion. It won't be the first. +During the '70's my late father (then working on Voyager), +got me an insider's tour of the Hughes research facility in +Malibu. It was from the beginning a laser-dedicated +facility, ostensibly developing VERY long range collimation +for the purpose of earth-movement detection, hopefully +toward the devolopmnent of earthquake prediction systems. +Howard Hughes' earthquake phobia was getting a lot of press, +too. Given the sophistication of what I saw, and the length +of time since I saw it - and given the added development of +relatively high temperature superconductors (particularly +magnetic applications) - and the favorable ambient +conditions of space for maser efficiency - I can't begin to +imagine the degree of development that's been achieved. + +If you're willing to read CIRCLE.TXT and the abovementioned +thread, you'll find a number of references and citations +regarding long ongoing research in plasma physics - some of +it suggestive of the potential for electrical propulsion, +the lack of which you concede has intrigued you. I hope the +brainstorm will continue. + +Bob + + +#: 92457 S3/Satellite Observing + 14-Oct-91 16:58:09 +Sb: #92423-GS satellites +Fm: Allen Thomson 72757,1325 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +Well, we did fly one reactor (SNAP-10, I think it was), but +it wasn't very big. As to why we never fully developed high- +isp propulsion systems--dunno, but it seems to be a +combination of lack of perceived need, budget, and the +technological conservatism that set in after the 1960s. +Sigh. + + + +#: 92533 S3/Satellite Observing + 15-Oct-91 21:10:05 +Sb: #92422-GS satellites +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Tony Beresford 72726,3245 + +I very much respect the professionals and the professional +attitudes found on this forum, and I'm glad that Bob +Sabaroff has so carefully explained our intentions and our +hopes for the Crop Circle thread. As I was very proud to +have been a minor part of the discussions here of Arp and +the cosmological red-shift discussion, I was glad to be able +to contribute somewhat more to the Crop Circle discussion. + +Although I'm a writer (over 30 novels published, the film +BEETLEJUICE, other films, television as well, and a +doctorate in English), I do have a little background for the +discussion. I was an NSF mathematics scholar back in the +days of the CDC 6400, and for six years I worked at the MIT +National Magnet Laboratory. I was secretary for the group +working on Lasers of all sorts, far-infrared, sub- +millimetre, super-conducting, GaAs, and the like. And I +have a memory for irrelevancies -- such as the fact that +Herstmonceaux Castle had recently been put up for sale. + +You will find on the thread more and more acerbic skeptics +than have yet shown up on CompuServe. And you will find the +Astronomy forum quoted for information (on the disposition +of the Castle mentioned above) that I knew to come here for. +But what can't be stressed enough is that the Circle.Txt was +uploaded as a target for your best shots. Show us where the +reasoning is off, the facts wrong. We have no interest at +all of convincing you of anything. We have every interest +in getting at the truth of the subject. + + + +#: 92651 S3/Satellite Observing + 18-Oct-91 19:15:30 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, got a little distracted with political events the past +week. Talk about a conspiracy! + +Anyway, I've enjoyed our past discussions of crop circles as +possible artifacts of SDI testing. The Fox television +network aired a special program tonite entitled "The UFO +Report: Sightings". It contained a segment on crop circles. +Not surprisingly, it focused on them as almost certainly +related to UFO activity. The best part was some great aerial +photos of the more recent "pictogram" formations. I'm not +sure why, but those dramatic photos never fail to get the +juices running! Seldom does an unexplained phenomena +display itself in such a flagrant "I dare you to figure me +out" manner. + +The failure of the Fox show to make any reference to the +possible high-tech human origins of crop circles just gives +me more confidence that SDI testing is the most likely +explanation. Why look for extraterrestrial explanations +when much more prosaic explanations remain to be +investigated? I confess that I remain highly skeptical that +GS satellites are involved. Also, some aspects of the +alleged disinformation campaign that we previously discussed +strike me as fairly remote. However, your prior comment +that noted the crop circle patterns resemblance to +sighting/aiming reticules strikes me as the single most +insightful observation yet made regarding their possible +origin. + +The aforementioned Fox show also claimed that circles were +showing up in Japan, Canada and elsewhere. Sure wish I +could get some "hard" news to confirm those claims. The +spread of genuine "Wiltshire type" circles to other parts of +the globe would be a fascinating development. + + +#: 92582 S14/News/Current Events + 17-Oct-91 12:19:54 +Sb: #92262-#CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Stuart Lees 75300,247 +To: Sheldon Cohen, TN 72140,327 (X) + + + +The local TV station in the West of England (includes +Wiltshire) has been giving coverage to the circles for +years. If no one noticed the hoaxers' circles it can only +have been because there were many more intricate circle +patterns to take note of elsewhere. + +-Stuart (Bristol, England) + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 92624 S14/News/Current Events + 18-Oct-91 01:04:31 +Sb: #92582-CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Sheldon Cohen, TN 72140,327 +To: Stuart Lees 75300,247 (X) + +Well, I was going by what Time Magazine said. So if I was +wrong, actually I wasn't wrong--Time was. + + +#: 92666 S3/Satellite Observing + 18-Oct-91 23:01:18 +Sb: #92651-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Would you believe that even as I type, my trusty VCR is +taping the very TV show referred to. It's 9:28 P.M. in L.A. +and Fox is airing it from 9 - 10. From your comments, I'm +looking forward to viewing it at leisure when I log off. +(actually, I'm in Tapcis... technicalities technicalities). + +There is some media confirmation involving at least the +Japanese circles. They appeared in rice paddies, and film of +them was shown on CNN's International News Hour, which airs +here around midnight. There was no mistaking them. Same +format. + +I recall that your inquiry here about the possibility of +retrieving GEO's, and the thread eventially came around to a +concession that it was theoretically possible - and that +satellites could be linked before deployment, to increase +the payload to include maneuvering systems - and could upon +recovery be refueled and redeployed, I arrive at the +scenario that seems most possible. + +I cling to GEO's because the precision of the alignments and +the sharpness of their outlines suggest a very stable and +stationary point of origin. The possibility of substantial +maneuvering payload means that considerable resources could +be utilized to establish the aligned spin necessary to +provide gyroscopic stability and make necessary corrections +for precession. A moving source, whether a spy plane or non- +GEO satellite would be taking great risks of malfunction or +imprecission, and would be very detectable. It also seems +convenient that the Royal Observatory's orbital tracking and +earth rotation measurement facility is in the affected area. + +Bob + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1208.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1208.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..42c13952 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1208.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,1873 @@ +SUBJECT: WGA CIRCLES THREAD EXPANDS TO COMPUSERVE FILE: UFO1208 + +PART 2 + + +#: 182317 S10/Paranormal Issues + 22-Oct-91 05:28:22 +Sb: CIRCLE.TXT +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: All + +The CompuServe thread which followed the Sept. 22 upload of +CIRCLE.TXT to ISSUES/PARANORMAL Lib. 10, can be found in +SPACE or ASTRONOMY Libs. 17 under the title CIRCIS.TXT. +Most of the thread took off over there, and anybody who +wants to pick it up will find it current as of Oct. 19. It +is text-with-line-breaks, right margin adjusted for ease of +use of file viewing utilities, and loading by +wordprocessors. + +Bob + + +#: [PRIVATE] S7/Extraterrestrials? + 23-Oct-91 -------- +Sb: CIRCLES.txt +Fm: ------------------------- +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +I think Hubble's orbit is only about 380 miles or so, way +below geosynchronous +orbit. + +------------------ + + + + +#: ------ S0/Outbox File + 23-Oct-91 19:58:00 +Sb: CIRCLES.txt +Fm: SPACEFOR REP ----- +To: [PRIVATE]---------------- + +Thanks for responding, ----. I can't tell from the header +if your reference to the Hubble orbit includes reference +from CIRCIS.TXT, the CIS thread that followed CIRCLE.TXT. +(Lib. 17, ASTRO or SPACE.) + +It was offered here that the orbit was 600 Km., 97 minute +period. Your figured may be more correct. The group of +interested writers who got involved in the thread uploaded +in CIRCLE.TXT were given a tour at JPL, wheere we understood +that the original hope was for the 25,000 mile GEO orbit, +and to link the Hubble in space, before deployment, with a +second Shuttle payload containing a nuclear powerpack and +auxiliary thruster system. This would have made possible +retrievability from GEO orbit by means of controllable +decaying orbit. 670 Km was designated as the highest +possible parking orbit at which it could be recovered, +serviced and fueled in space, then redeployed on the same +mission. We were even showed a mockup of the "spectacles" +with which the mirror abberations were to be corrected. + +If the 380 mi (440 Km?) is the present case, it could have +done to enable more energetic efforts to do debuggings from +here while we wait til '93, the scheduled repair mission. +When the thread (as in CIRCIS.TXT) moved to S3/Shuttle +Observation? (where the 670 Km altitude was offered us), and +further discussion held on that premise) there were also +offered some good reasons that the Hubble would not have +been meant to to operate at such low orbits. + +/SPLIT + +SP7 + +#: --------- S7/Extraterrestrials? + --------- -------- +Sb: -------CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +[Continued] + +If the Hubble were meant to operate at even 600 mi., it +would be close enough to the highest penetration of the +ionosphere to make radio-telescopy unreliable at best. The +97 minute period would also require a much larger propulsion +and power reserve given the short exposure to a number of +essential guide stars. Likewise, target position fixing +becomes more precise at longer periods of orbit. One of the +early conjectural problems voiced in the original Hubble +proposals included the difficulty of obtaining enough +portion of the (then) 68,000 lb. Shuttle payload weight with +enough maneuvering system to give a long shelf life. When +the mission rules after Challenger were reduced to 48,000 +lbs. this became a major problem. + +You're correct in pointing out that a factual mistatement +exists about the Hubble actually being in GEO orbit. This +was followed up in CIRCIS.TXT, here on CIS, and we were +happy for it. We want to get the numbers right. + +If you didn't see the messages involved, that scenarion that +suggested, and went from "no way" to "now that you mention +it, why not", and was noted out how easy it would be to +nudge a GEO satellite downward to initiate a slow, +controlled orbital decay. + +Payload-linking and orbital redeployment were on the list of +Shuttle exercises before the Challenger disaster. I'll see +if I can find out exactly where Hubble is, at the moment. +Thanks for drawing my attention to your sense of it. + +Bob + + + +#: 92897 S3/Satellite Observing + 25-Oct-91 07:37:41 +Sb: #92707-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Robert, + + I am familiar with many of the things you mention. +However, I think my comments still stand. + + In the lunar retrreflector project, the beamwidth at +lunar distance was not a couple yards as you seem to think +but a couple miles. (See Sky & Telescope, Feb. 1972, p. 88). +This particular beam included the focusing effects of a 60- +inch reflecting telescope. I find it hard to beleive they +hoisted a 1000-inch-plus telescope to geosynch orbit. + + In addition, from geosynch orbit you could not aim the +beam with any accuracy. To be able to hit a target within a +200-foot circel, your aiming acuraccy would have to be +better than 0.2-second of arc (about 0.000046 degree). This +is impossible to achieve with ground-based telescopes, let +alone one that is wobbling around in geosync orbit. This is +why "spy" sattelites are in low Earth orbit rather than +geosynch orbits. They can get a much better look at the +surface. + + Please note I am not (yet) arguing with the thesis, just +the geosynch delivery system. A satellite left in low Earth +orbit by the Shuttle make a lot more sense. + + - Bert + + + +#: 92911 S3/Satellite Observing + 25-Oct-91 21:53:35 +Sb: #92897-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 + +Bert, I'm pleased that we've reached a point where what is +(yet) being discussed is not the main thesis, but the +specifics of the delivery platform itself. Re the lunar +reflectors - yes, there were finely modeled parabolic +reflectors at both ends of the experiments - which were +conducted in the '70's. The beamwidth at lunar distance *and +back*, a total of 476,000 miles, 19 times the 25,000 mile +distance a collimated beam would have to travel from a GEO +satellite, was a couple of miles. + +So for the sake of discussion, let's adjust the distance a +bit, and add almost twenty years of R & D. some of which was +at the Hughes laser-dedicated research facility at Malibu, +about a half hour from my home near Santa Monica. My father +was a senior scientist at Hughes Aerospace in El Segundo, +first on the Surveyor Project, then Voyager. He never +breached security with me, but I had a sense of some of the +new stuff coming down the pipe. (He passed away in 1981. +He would have loved the crop formations), + +If your hypothetical ground-based telescope had the benefit +of the newer, relatively high temperature superconducting +elecromagnetic collimation devices now routinely in use - +particularly in high energy maser emission - the problems of +focus, not to mention the relative mechanical stability of a +space-borne platform - become academic, because if I knew +how far such research had come, especially given the ambient +conditions of temperature in space, it would be at the +highest levels of classification and needto-know, as were so +many of the Shuttle flights, starting around the same time +the crop circles began to appear. Here we can only +brainstorm. + +About stability, and spy satellite; + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 92912 S3/Satellite Observing + 25-Oct-91 21:53:50 +Sb: #92911-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +A gyro-stabilized GEO satellite, will indeed precess, or +wobble. As a pilot I know the need to constantly correct a +gyro compass against a magnetic one to compensate this. It +takes a lot less hardware and fuel expenditure to briefly +stabilize a GEO-satellite on a ground point than it would to +line up a spy satellite with a point on the earth, then +rotate the emission/detection device to "pan" below over a +point over which the satellite is traveling at high speed. +Further, the risk of malfunction in a non-stationary system +would be unacceptable. The GEO's are more stable than you +might think. Ships and aircraft get position fixing to the +second of arc from them. + +If you also consider the operations of radio astronomy or +simply holding on a spot on a Uranian moon, using guide +stars over the distances involved in such missions, +satellites can and may already be able to use a laser'ed hot +spot on the earth as a psuedo guide star for relatively +short term super-accurate stabilization. There is another +interesting factor - the presence in the Wiltshire area +(Horstmanceaux castle), with a strange recent history, near +or at which is the Royal Greenwich Observatory facility for +doing (at least) two things. One is the refinement of +orbital device tracking - another is precise measurement of +the rotation of the earth. + +Since CEO orbit is defined as one where orbital velocity +exactly matches the speed of the rotation of the earth +beneath it, this seems convenient. The only indication of +drift by the source, in the circles themselves, is that many +are very slightly elliptical. + +There is another argument against non-GEO emitters... + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 92913 S3/Satellite Observing + 25-Oct-91 21:54:03 +Sb: #92912-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +A non-stationary spy satellite have a couple of problems in +common. The telescope has to deal first with the thickest +part of the atmosphere, then the rest, and by the time a +resolved image is procured a lot of diffraction and +refraction has occured. Especially at oblique angles, since +off the vertical, the amount of atmosphere to penetrate +increases. Flying directly over an airport on a smoggy day, +it looks very clear. But when approaching at an angle for +landing, one enters the smog layer and is looking into it +edgewise, and visibility can drop from 50 miles to 1/4 mile +in an instant. That's why a lot of L.A. pilots have +instrument ratings. + +A non stationary spy sattelite faces not only the same +difficulties (and, by the way, many of the pictures you see +are extracted from much larger ones. It isn't always in the +center of the pass), but even overhead the total path +through atmosphere is probably at least 20 or more % of its +altitude. From 25000 miles, given the extremely sharply +collimated and amplified emissions it figures are now +possible - relative atmospheric effects are far less. + +Finally, given the quantity and frequency of the crop +events, I can't imagine a spy satellite's overflight not +being correlated to the on-site realities. A GEO, on the +other hand, can be damned hard to find if you don't know +where to look, or at least when and where it was deployed. +You won't learn either from the preflight manual of a secret +Shuttle mission. + +And please note, I appreciate the "devil's advocacy." The +truth might be somewhere between us. + +Bob + + +#: 92922 S3/Satellite Observing + 26-Oct-91 07:20:08 +Sb: #92913-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + + Actually, the Global Positioning System (NavStar) +satellites are not in geosync orbits. The orbits are +approximately 20,000 km with a 718 minute period. Position +is derived from time delay measurements from 3 or more +satellites. The receivers periodically download an ephmeris +from the satellites to update orbital elements. + + Also, as an author and user of satellite tracking +software, I can say that, from a computational viewpoint, +finding a geosync satellite is an order of magnitude easier +than a low earth orbiting one. + + cheers -fjh + + +#: 92945 S3/Satellite Observing + 26-Oct-91 21:35:19 +Sb: #92922-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 + +Thanks for the information about the NavStar orbits, Frank. +I knew they used three for position fixing, but hadn't +realized they operated at that much velocity. The +downloading of an ephemeris to update orbital elements is +remarkable, no matter how jaded one gets. (All those hours +with a Weems plotter, fine print in red light, and a sextant +bubble that refused to fit the little bullseye pocket, loran +that could only doodle...) + +When you refer to the relative ease of finding a low earth +orbiting satellite compared to a GEO, do you mean that with +radar alone, without seeds such as deployment data? + +Would this also be true if the the time, place and altitude +at which the object deployed were unknown, (in the case of +the GEO) and it emitted no radio frequency energy in any +mode other than a very narrow beam to/from another +satellite? Can a GEO be (easily) found with radar alone? + +I appreciate the specifics Frank, and the following isn't +meant to be evasive. Presuming, as my side of the thread +does, that the events under discussion are part of an +international co-venture, probably including the British, +and the classification level would be pretty high; is it +within the capability of equipment available to amateurs to +locate a non-emmitting GEO satellite from within a 100 mile +circle of its Clarke station? Especially if it were +designed to have very low optical (and other) reflectivity? + +Your on-the-job expertise is very appreciated. My apologies +if any of the questions push the limits of prudence, +security-wise. But, some amateurs might want to take "a +look," if it's possible. + +Bob + + +#: 92995 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 20:37:44 +Sb: #92913-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, + + I feel like I'm slogging through mud on this one. I do +not work for the gov't, and have no idea what they are doing +in the "secret labs". Since most of your arguments come +back to "recent advances in secret research" only available +to those with a "need to know", how can I argue against +anything? + + Perhaps they have put a secret automated base on the Moon. +Have you checked the circles to see if their correlation +matches the Moon being in the sky? How about Mars, Venus, +or Mercury? See my problem, you can always hypothesize a +pointing/trageting accuracy available in the secret labs +with some exotic beam-collimation technique to move back as +far as you want. + + My comments about the laser beam are trying to say that +the spread is *NOT* due to the poor '60's technology, but +due to the natural laws of physics regarding light. Unless +some active role is taken en-route, the beam WILL spread no +matter how it is generated. + + I cannot think of anyway to overcome the "secret lab" +problem. It reminds me of the UFO arguments I had in the +sixty's. When asked for proof that UFO (read extraterestial +visitors) exist, they would always say that there was a +secret government conspiricy to hide the data. The good +data was hidden (at Wright-Patterson AFB as I remember), or +was ridiculed and made to look phoney. Hence, you could +never argue with them since, according to them, the proof is +right there: just get the government to release it and we +will all be beleivers. + + Unfortunately, I think I may have to put this one into +the "yes-maybe-but it doesn't matter until it's proved". My +favorite line was "UFO's may or may not exist, but I am not +going to worry about it until a large metal saucer lands in +Grant Park (downtown Chicago, IL) and Michael Renne walks +out followed by an 8-foot metal robot" (a la "The Day the +Earth Stood Still") . + + -Bert + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93009 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 22:23:32 +Sb: #92995-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Dick DeLoach, Sysop 76703,303 +To: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 + +I agree with David Letterman, who listed among the Top Ten +Things We As Americans Can Be Proud Of, the fact that more +AMERICANS have actually been abducted by extraterestrials +than citizens of any other country in the whole world... -) +(<-- DDL's tongue-in-cheek symbol ) + + --- Dick + + +#: 93011 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 22:39:33 +Sb: #92995-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 + +Bert, I sympathize with the sense of mud-slogging you find +yourself in. It feels like that from this side of the +argument, too. I don't know what's happening in secret labs +this year. Or last year. I *saw* what was happening twenty +years ago, and given the exponential rate of technological +progress, I don't have a problem with presuming considerable +advancement on a large scale, given the advancements in +medical applications on a small scale which were even more +inconceivable then. + +One if the new technologies which is not a secret is the +progress in high temperature superconductive technologies, +and their ability to enable electromagnetic fields, and the +use of such fields in generating and collimating and +amplifying laser and maser emissions. In the uploaded file, +CIRCLE.TXT, there are ample references to laser collimation +references which are more substantive than the vague +references space limitations allow here. + +And yes, a laser or a maser beam will spread, but from a +couple of millimeters to a hundred yards over a 25,000 mile +distance, given the fact of zero G, low ambient temperature, +and the efficiency of superconductive elements in space, I +don't think this scenario steps outside the bounds of +natural law. + +The robot and Michael Rennie were Gork and Klaatu. I can +never remember which is which... + +I understand your skepticism, Bert, and respect it. Thanks +for the suggestion about the secret lunar base. I'll check +it out. The only UFO's I've referred to are person-made +ones. + Bob + + + +#: 92947 S3/Satellite Observing + 26-Oct-91 21:36:27 +Sb: #92911-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +>>...as were so many of the Shuttle flights, starting around +the same time the crop circles began to appear.<< + +Bob, just so the timeline of this phenomena is clear; the +first well photographed and investigated crop circle was +found at a place called Headbourne Worthy (Wiltshire area) +in the summer of 1978. Interestingly enough, it was not +just a simple circle but a large inner circle with 4 smaller +circles grouped around it in the now familiar "footpad" +pattern. See "Circular Evidence" by Delgado and Andrews. +From all accounts it was essentially identical to many of +the patterns still being produced in 1990 and 1991. + +As you are probably aware, the first shuttle flight was on +4/12/81, nearly 3 years later. The first shuttle flight +with a DOD payload was 6/27/82, about 4 years later. + + +#: 92957 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 06:04:35 +Sb: #92945-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + + Aside from the computational aspect, searching for a GEO +object versus a low orbiting one in an unknown orbit would +also be easier. The time factor is eliminated and you are +looking in a narrow band of sky for a stationary object as +opposed to searching the whole sky and not knowing if the +object is in line of sight at the time. The deployment +parameters really don't matter as the altitude/period are +determined by the object being geosync. The only unknown is +the orbital longitude. The optical/radar visibility would +depend on the size/shape and surface characteristics, of +course. GEO satellites are seen frequently by amateur +astronomers and other observers under favorable lighting +conditions. Also, a number of the 'secret' shuttle payloads +have been observed during deployment and subsequently +tracked by amateur observers, although their orbital +elements are not officially published. Those that I'm aware +of (I'm not completely up to date), believed to be KH type +recon satellites and, indeed, SDI related payloads, have +been in low earth orbits. None of the above precludes your +theory of course. My only objection would be that with +thousands of square miles of closed test ranges available (I +spent a good portion of my USAF career tramping around some +of them, on unrelated (and unmentionable) projects), I +don't see the the necessity for publically plowing up +farmer's fields. + + cheers -fjh + + +#: 46594 S3/Probes/Satellites + 27-Oct-91 22:08:43 +Sb: #CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, if I'm to cling to the idea of Shuttle deployment as +an exclusive, or even primary delivery system, I have to +take your observations on the time line very seriously. The +only qualifier in the pursuit of further distillation +concerns what we can and can't presume about the reliability +of information; that being the amount of disinformation +common even the inside a project infrastructure. + +That said, I find myself with new questions. One being "how +knowable" is the date of the first DoD payload, and how +"knowable" is the nature of some which may have preceded it? +I've read Delgado and others - and have seen detailed +photography of early formations compared to later ones. The +increasing sophistication and complexity - as well as +quantity - becomes an unmistakeable progression. The +Barbury formation of July, 1991, renders a general hoax less +credible than ever. + +The question most important to my basic hypothesis might be, +how much payload could be placed in high orbit from a +conventional rocket booster in the late '70's? Published +figures for the Shuttle are 65,000 pounds, reduced to 48,000 +under post Challenger mission rules. I'd only add that +having worked an early division of RAND, Santa Monica, in an +editorial capacity that included orchestration of press +releases re true or fancied classification levels of +specific missions, there did/do exist disinforming cloaking +strategies in the publication of information. + +You have, however, required that I investigate conventional +booster capabilities. I may have to be more flexible about +exclusive Shuttle deployment. + + +[More] + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 46595 S3/Probes/Satellites + 27-Oct-91 22:08:53 +Sb: #46594-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +This is just anecdotal to torture satellite observers, Erik. +I live near the Pacific coast, about forty miles from +Vandenberg, AFB. We are frequently treated to a light-show +when the mission includes ionosphere studies and photo- +active substances are discharged. And of course the landing +path of many Shuttles into Edwards places their multible +sonic booms right over our heads. That's how we know when to +go turn on CNN. + +We also frequently see regular launches headed down the +Pacific Missile Range. If the Satellite Observers are +organized, I suspect you guys must maintain a "Woops..." +watch in the public mountain country not far away. A lot of +those launches are a surprise even to the Vandenberg +personnel scrambled to make them. Some of the launches +which turn out to be the most innocently described to the +launch personnel, have a way of departing their "need-to- +know" along with the booster. + +Bob + + +#: 46596 S3/Probes/Satellites + 27-Oct-91 22:09:08 +Sb: #CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 + +Frank, the "why there?" question is one which came up early +in the thread of CIRCLE.TXT, and at length in the +accompanying CIRCIS.TXT (Lib. 17) which contains much of the +CompuServe thread which ensued upon the upload of the prior +Sept. 22 upload to ISSUES/PARANORMAL Lib. 10 (and currently +in Lib 17, here). + +The question as to detectability of a GEO that didn't want +to be found... how important to finding it *is* knowledge of +its longitude? And, if the time of deployment and angle of +insertion were cloaked, does that make the task more +difficult? + +Having had a bit of "Think Tank" experience as a dept. +editor for what then was a division of RAND (Later the +System Develp. Corp, Santa Monica), the use of Wiltshire was +made to order, and one of the cleverest covers I can +imagine. The area in that 100 mile circle, roughly centered +on Avebury, with Stonehenge not far away, already has in +place over 5,000 years of local history loaded with images +and a metaphysical tradition. Many of the figures we see, +starting with the plainer circles, start to look startingly +as though their stencils had been made from Kabbalistic, +Sufic, Celtic, even 17th Cent. Rosicrucian iconography. Add +to this the widespread interest in the area's system of Ley +lines, stone and earth circles, and the presence on site of +an RGO facility directly involved with satellite position +fixing and earth-rotation (Horstmanceaux, press releases +notwithstanding), the rules of evidence become unmaneagable. +It's an old story - the best possible cover for a new one. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 46597 S3/Probes/Satellites + 27-Oct-91 22:09:21 +Sb: #46596-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +Re test ranges, I have the impression that you've shlepped +to and through your share of them, Frank. You know the +logistical problems of access, and the visibility of ground +movement that would be anomalous to those spySats which +routinely monitor such ground activity. I still don't know +if you've actually seen good pictures of the more complex +ones, but there is one called "the fly" which looks very +much like an ancient Anasazi (Ariz.) petroglyph I have in a +collection of rubbings and drawings produced by the +Smithsonian in the 1870's. A sense of humor or a mistake? + +Almost every one of the more complex formations (and the +simpler ones) bears almost identicality to the historical +sites and metaphysical iconography. + +I'm in private correspondence with several of the on site +researchers, and it's a topic of some merriment about all +the electronic gear being dragged about by some of the +"tourists," who often make sure to buy a T-shirt. This is a +quote from a note I got today on another forum, from the +UK... + +"In the UK, Channel 4 has just broadcast a program in the +Equinox series on crop circles. Unfortunately, they didn't +mention the 'Star War' theories. [Either has anybody +else...]. The one conventional scientist on there was +hopelessly outnumbered by paranormal weirdos and +'parascientists.' His plasma vortices were totally +unconvincing when you look at the 'pictograms'. So its nice +that he has recanted and now says that only the circular +ones are 'genuine' coz his theory only fits those." + +He goes on to describe a convincing hoax demonstration, but +not up to the numbers and complexities observe. The rules +of evidence are unmaneagable. + +Bob + + +#: 93013 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 23:46:29 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt (woops...) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Eric Albrekston 70312,3576 + +Eric, my response to your #92947 wound up over on +SPACE/Probes/Satellites, also S3 there. It's #46594. +Tapcis did it, of course. Human error is inconcievable... +I'll post a redirection there, too. They must be very +confused. Sorry. + +Bob + + +#: 93014 S3/Satellite Observing + 27-Oct-91 23:46:35 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt (woops II..) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 + +As in a prior to Erik Albrekston, Frank, my reply to your # +92957 here got misdirected to SPACE/Probes/Satellites and is +# 46596 there. My apologies. + +Bob + + +#: 46599 S3/Probes/Satellites + 27-Oct-91 23:47:19 +Sb: CIRCLE.txt (wrong forum) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: All + +I apologize for the misdirection of #'s 46594 and 46956 to +this forum. They were in response to #'s 92947 and 92957 on +ASTROFORUM/Satellite Observing - also S3. (Tapcis error of +course... ) + +For the thoroughly confused, but possibly intrigued, the +accidently diverted thread is one which ensued from the +Sept. 22 upload of CIRCLE.TXT to ISSUES/PARANORMAL Lib. 10. +This and the bulk of the lengthy CompuServe thread which +has ensued (CIRCIS.TXT) can both be found in Lib. 17 (new +uploads). + +CIRCLE.TXT is the upload of a non-metaphysical thread from +the "Science & Health" forum of the (members only) BBS of +the Writers' Guild of America, West, (WGA), Los Angeles. It +deals mostly with a theory that (some of) the "crop events" +of Wiltshire, UK, and other places, are artifacts of SDI +related tests conducted from Shuttle deployed GEO +satellites. + +Again, my regrets over any confusion, though more than a few +think it's all mine. + +Bob + +#: 93019 S3/Satellite Observing + 28-Oct-91 08:20:37 +Sb: #93014-CIRCLE.txt (woops II..) +Fm: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + + No problem, I found it . + + If you know a GEO's orbital longitude, a relatively simple +trig calculation tells you exactly where to look (See the +file SATELL.TXT in LIB 3 for the formula). All the other +orbital elements necessary to find LEO objects 'drop out'. +If the longitude is unknown, knowing the deployment +parameters might give you a clue as to position, but only if +you had other data in hand, such as the delta-v involved, +etc. As I said, it comes down to searching for a stationary +object that you know is in line of sight in a narrow strip +of sky versus searching the whole sky for an object with an +unknown transit time in the case of a LEO sat. If +concealment was the main priority, a sat in a high +inclination LEO with large maneuvering fuel reserves, +allowing frequent orbit changes to inhibit recovering it's +orbital parameters from sporadic observation, would be my +(admittedly amateur) choice. As to test range use, +'unusual' ground activity is 'usual' there and I believe it +attracts less attention there than elsewhere. Truckloads of +equipment setting up in the middle of nowhere and then +vanishing abruptly are routine, as are unexplained (unless +you're involved) lights, noises and other phenomena. Also, +it has been, and I assume still, been common practice to +combine the activities of various projects to further +confuse the issue for potential observers, allowing one +project to serve as 'cover' if you will, for another. + + cheers -fjh + + +#: 93047 S3/Satellite Observing + 28-Oct-91 19:10:33 +Sb: #93011-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Bob Norton / NM 72167,3420 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, + Gort (not Gork) was the robot. Klaatu was Michael Rennie. +BTW, "Klaatu Verato Nektu" is VERY corrupt Esperanto for +"Klaatu Truly Dead". + +Bob + + +#: 93015 S3/Satellite Observing + 28-Oct-91 00:44:51 +Sb: #92995-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 + +You might check out, for instance, the work that was +declassified a few months ago, on the laser focussing +(ground to air in this case) problem, work that the DoD has +been conducting in secret since 1981 (just at the time the +cruder crop circles began to appear in earnest). (2 +articles, and a news editorial in Nature, about a month +ago.) This was released only when civilian researchers +essentially duplicated the work on their own. + +A Secret Lab is a clumsy term for it suggests underground +complexes, and radar-dodging, and camouflage painted silos. +The lab may be right in the middle of Cambridge, +Massachusetts, and you can walk, drive, or row past it; but +some of the work that goes on inside may very well be highly +secret. And even the lowest of the many levels of secrecy +imposed on government sponsored work may be sufficient to +keep all but the most indefatigably curious ignorant +of the work. + +Secret labs exist, if not in this country, then certainly in +others. We bombed them recently, for instance. But do you +really believe that there is no work of substance being +carried on under conditions of secrecy in this country? And +if money is appropriated for work in a certain field of +research, is it unreasonable to think that research is being +carried on in those fields? + + + +#: 93060 S3/Satellite Observing + 29-Oct-91 00:15:28 +Sb: #93019-CIRCLE.txt (woops II..) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Frank Hentschel 75126,72 + +You found it. Sigh... + +I'm very grateful for the information, Frank. You may be an +amateur, but you're certainly an astute one, and in offering +the LEO scenario, you made a very welcome contribution to +the general "brainstorm" on this issue. The intention from +the start was to generate informed discussion about an +enigma, the crop events, beginning with the path of least +resistance offered by concentrating on the known effects of +known technologies, and adjusting as required, until the +theory is shot down beyond resurrection. + +I suspect we could trade "cover ploy" stories far into the +night/day (one of the unknowns that makes telecommunications +so magical), and know enough not to. The ones you cite are +time honored. + +It might be of general interest that some years back a +simultaneous triple launch took place at Vandenberg, +observed from L.A. because of a full moon and an icy alto- +cirrus layer. An air traffic controller friend who was +involved in "range safety" told me, but only after it was in +the newspapers, that the launches were indeed simultaneous, +but though ATC had been told they were weapons tests, the +payloads were inserted into orbit, and never arrived at the +target zone. Nor did any further information about the +unusual launch, which people near Vandenberg thought was an +earthquake. + +Bob + + +#: 93140 S3/Satellite Observing + 30-Oct-91 17:13:54 +Sb: CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, the occasional references to Herstmonceaux Castle as a +possible participant in the crop circle phenomena piqued my +curiosity. Got out the maps and made a call or two and +confirmed that, indeed, not too long ago it was affiliated +with the Royal Greenwich Observatory. It was the home of the +UK's Atomic Clock. Was sold to private interests in 1985 +and is not currently open to the public. The observatory +itself is now located in Cambridge. Nothing too surprising +in all that. What did surprise me was the actual location +of Herstmonceaux Castle. It is in East Sussex, about 40 +miles southeast of London near the village of Hailsham. +Absolutely nowhere near the crop circle activity in +Wiltshire which is at least 100 miles due west. Don't +remember who originally brought up this subject but it's +clearly a red herring. + + + +#: 93156 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 05:15:10 +Sb: #93140-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, I'm not *quite* ready to concede Herstmonceaux as +a red herring, at least not based on its being 100 miles due +east of the major crop circle activity. I had thought it +more central than that, but 100 miles seems close enough for +the purpose. I should quote the information I got from a UK +source. It doesn't exclude yours, but does go a bit +further, and who's to say what really goes on behind closed +doors. That's not a hedge, but a concession that multiple +accounts exist. If anybody knows the following to be +untrue, It's into the red herring pond for Herstomnceaux. + +"The Satellite Laser Ranger scope at Herstmonceaux is still +(1991) used by the RGO for measuring orbits of artificial +satellites, for measuring precise earth-rotation-parameters. +The work of the RGO is quite interesting -mostly design and +maintenance of of the new equipment at La Palma, and +development of new technology in astronomical research (both +telescopes and data collection/processing equipment." + +I have no idea where La Palma is, by the way. But, the +first 2 1/2 sentences of the above quote seem compellingly +relevant to what might be required of whatever spaceborne +system we ultimately define, if any. If the above is +correct, the actual location of a data link site could be +anywhere, and very inconspicuous. + +We have established, however, that different accounts of the +major activity of Herstonceaux vary. "All of the above" +might be the case. I hope someone with specific knowledge +and free to share it will help us out, here. + +Bob + + + +#: 93160 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 05:40:42 +Sb: #93011-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, + + I think I will read both CIRCLE.TXT and the thread before +replying again, though I think my arguments stand. I feel +that they are based on physical laws which I do not think +technology can overcome. + + I'll message you when I come up with a better answer. + + -Bert + +#: 93166 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 10:00:55 +Sb: #93156-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +In my note around the corner, I also make the mistake of +placing Herstmonceaux (will someone please tell us how to +spell it -- I've misplaced all six volumes of my Augustus +Hare) in the midst of the Crop Circle activity. + +I feel it necessary to point out two things here. One is +that if crop circles are the result of SDI testing, there is +no conspiracy. There is secret military testing, as there +has been secret military testing since the Italians were +trying to figure out how to make gunpowder kill people -- +and it was old then. Any actual conspiracy is mounted for +the purpose of maintaining secrecy about the project, and +not for the success of the project itself. + +Bob, I think you acquiesce too quickly in the matter of +Herstmonceaux. The castle was abandoned abruptly and +without warning, the Observatory moved awkwardly to another +location entirely. It was sold for so little money to a +developer that there is a small protest movement got up +against the gov't's action. Two years later, and nothing +done with the development, it was auctioned to two groups: +an anonymous American investors company, and a large +Japanese firm, who sued one another, insuring that the +facility remains doing exactly what it is doing now: +satellite tracking etc. If we are right, then this +sequence of events makes good sense; if we are wrong, then +this sequence of events makes no pattern and no sense +whatever. + +The British Gov't had >some< reason for doing what they did +with Herstmonceaux, and it could be very very trivial -- a +clerk got tired of being castigated for misspelling the +damned name, and set into motion a chain of nudges that +resulted in... But I think it more likely that the British +gov't wanted the place for satellite work, work they wanted +to keep private. (This isn't necessarily to do with crop +circles, I understand.) + + +#: 93187 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 20:15:11 +Sb: #93156-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, your observations notwithstanding, the attention being +directed to Herstmonceaux (which is, BTW, the correct +spelling) justs seems totally unwarranted. First, it is +*nowhere* near any concentration of crop circle activity (10 +Downing Street is closer to Wiltshire than Herstmonceaux!); +Second, the fact that the public is aware of the facility +makes it an unlikely candidate inasmuch as the UK no doubt +has other more strategically located secret research +installations; Third, the real estate transactions +concerning its sale suggest nothing more sinister than +routine government bungling. No doubt, had the sale been +done more cleanly and less publicly, that too would have +held up as an example of a secret hidden agenda; Fourthly, +the circle phenomena pre-dated the sale by at least 7 years. + +Recent contributions to this thread, including Bert's +discussion of beam propogation and GS satellites, and the +fact that the circle phenomena clearly predates Shuttle +missions, suggests to me that a more active exploration of +alternative delivery platforms might be warranted. Also, +for this theory to gain adherents it has to better address +the "seasonality" of the phenomena. It doesn't seem to me +that we can dismiss this feature with a casual observation +that other circles are showing up around the globe. I have +been able to find precious little in the way of credible +investigatory reports of non-UK circles. If you have any +info on this aspect, I'd love to see it. + +-Erik- + + +#: 93159 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 05:40:34 +Sb: #93015-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +Michael, + + I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I +know there is alot of research going on that I do not know +anything about. I agree with you that there is much +research going in the fields related to SDI. + + On obvious example is the adaptive optics that are just +becoming available to the professional astronomers from a +declassification last year. I am sure there is much more in +other fields, such as particle beam generation and +collimation, laser and maser beam generation, etc. + + What I was trying to point out that there are certain +physical laws that, as far as I can tell, cannot be avoided +with the wave of a "new secret technology which you do not +know anything about" wand. One of these is spreading of any +beam, even if absolutely collimated when it leaves its +source. Another is the difficulty of precisely pointing +that beam over a 23,000 mile distance. + + My only argument was that this stuff, if it is being +done, is much more likely to be coming from a low-earth +orbit sattelite rather than a geosynchronus orbit sattelite. +Of course, if I happen to be right, is why is this sattelite +being fired at England and not the U.S. + + -Bert + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93165 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 09:36:03 +Sb: #93159-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Bert/Janet Stevens 73357,1572 + +I can think of several reasons why England and not the U.S. + +1) If such crop circles appeared in western Nebraska and +southern Idaho, people would look down, look up, look around +and say "Oh. Government testing." In England, people leap +up and down, and shriek: "Druids. Ley lines. UFOs. The +Old Ones. Jovial Eccentrics." The government(s) don't have +to deny anything, and all their stories are made up for +them. + +2) England is mapped better than the U.S. Precision is +easier to calibrate there. Hurstmonceaux, which was the +Greenwich Observatory, until the Thatcher gov't abruptly +decided to vacate the premises, is now officially empty and +in modern chancery -- except for the satellite tracking +instrumentation, which they admit is continuing work. +Hurstmonceaux is in the midst of all this business. The +U.S. doesn't have the equivalent. + +3) If the British government knows what is going on -- and +the Army's disinformational creation of a crop circle last +year may not have been purely recreational -- then it is +conceivable that the U.S. provided a limited partnership. +Our guns, their shooting gallery. (If this is true, then +the gov't is doing a pretty good job compared to earlier +experimentation with new technologies -- not a single death +reported yet from crop encircling.) + +4) If these are lasers, masers, whatever, in satellites (and +I think I agree, that the orbits cannot be 25,000 miles +out); then they are certainly meant (ultimately) as weapons. +To a European nation, a crop circle drawn in a Wyoming +alfalfa field doesn't have the impact of bisected concentric +circles in a field of rape a few hundred kilometers distant. +(There were a few circles appearing early last summer, in +the nations that had just freed themselves of Communist +yokes.) From the U.S.'s point of view, they would need to +test these techniques in the sorts of places where lurk +whatever enemy we choose to designate such in the future: +Sumatra, Zimbabwe, Romania, Ecuador. + + + +#: 93187 S3/Satellite Observing + 31-Oct-91 20:15:11 +Sb: #93156-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, your observations notwithstanding, the attention being +directed to Herstmonceaux (which is, BTW, the correct +spelling) justs seems totally unwarranted. First, it is +*nowhere* near any concentration of crop circle activity (10 +Downing Street is closer to Wiltshire than Herstmonceaux!); +Second, the fact that the public is aware of the facility +makes it an unlikely candidate inasmuch as the UK no doubt +has other more strategically located secret research +installations; Third, the real estate transactions +concerning its sale suggest nothing more sinister than +routine government bungling. No doubt, had the sale been +done more cleanly and less publicly, that too would have +held up as an example of a secret hidden agenda; Fourthly, +the circle phenomena pre-dated the sale by at least 7 years. + +Recent contributions to this thread, including Bert's +discussion of beam propogation and GS satellites, and the +fact that the circle phenomena clearly predates Shuttle +missions, suggests to me that a more active exploration of +alternative delivery platforms might be warranted. Also, +for this theory to gain adherents it has to better address +the "seasonality" of the phenomena. It doesn't seem to me +that we can dismiss this feature with a casual observation +that other circles are showing up around the globe. I have +been able to find precious little in the way of credible +investigatory reports of non-UK circles. If you have any +info on this aspect, I'd love to see it. + +-Erik- + +Forum ! + + +#: 93204 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 05:41:01 +Sb: #93166-#CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Michael, I checked my message, and if Eric is reading this, +I'll have you know I spelled Herstmonceaux correctly two +times out of five, I think it was. I'm better with the +Amerindian names which abound here... + +I haven't let go of it - certainly not on the basis of its +distance from Wiltshire. I am also less committed to the +high orbit delivery, but not because of the problem of beam +spreading. As I become more informed through the questions +raised here (the whole purpose of the exercise being to +raise the question), I'm more comfortable with the idea that +delivery from lower orbit is possible. I don't know enough +to be locked into anything - just the inherent credibility +that the technology exists to do this, and that alone +guarantees that it will be done. That's basic historical +perspective. + +If I concede the possibility of LEO instead of GEO, it is +because a crash course in the current state of the art of +target-fixing during LEO overflight time frames suggests +enough sophistication to satisfy my need for a stationary +platform. It also allows for the use of component deployment +by conventional boosters in the years of the early events of +the late '70s. + +Conceding LEO delivery, the distance from Herstmonceaux to +Wiltshire isn't enough to preclude its involvement. In the +case of LEO's, I would expect several data uplinks along the +ground track, including some quite further than +Herstmonceaux. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93205 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 05:41:09 +Sb: #93204-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +I didn't want to get into the question of relative distance +(100 miles from Herstmonceaux to Wiltshire) because as long +as I clung to GEO vs. LEO I was on shaky ground, needing an +onsite observation point. Conceding a lower orbiter renders +the distance argument moot, and strengthens the relevance of +its attributed function. And as you say, it might be +irrelevant. What I did want to avoid was getting the main +scenario caught in a closed loop of what can only remain +speculation for now. We need to establish the basic +credibility of the proferred scenario, and refine +methodology from there. + +What pleases me very much is that the discussion seems to be +taking on focus. It feels more like the SDI theory is being +tested than refuted. I came into this flexible, and remain +so. + +Bob + + +#: 93206 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 05:41:22 +Sb: #93187-#CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, I addressed some of the same questions you raised in +my prior to Michael McDowell. I'm more than willing, as I +expressed to him, to consider other than GEO delivery, which +as I noted, renders the distance of Herstmonceaux to +Wiltshire moot, and strengthens the relevance of its alleged +function. That it post-dates the first phenomena by seven +years might or might not be meaningful. One could speculate +that such a ground facility might not have been needed until +the state of the technology required it - and nobody can +argue that the sophistication of the crop formations hasn't +undergone an increased sophistication since then. + +Softening my position to allow for LEO delivery, as in all +objectivity it seems I should. This allows for conventional +booster insertion before the earlier secret Shuttle flights. +It also allows for the insertion of components to be +retrieved and assembled and redeployed by the later Shuttle +missions. That this is a feasible idea is inherent to the +ongoing plan to do that with Hubble. + +Unlatching the above doors a bit, it is indeed difficult to +find hard corroboration of crop events outside the UK, with +some notable exceptions, which I videotaped when they were +aired. There were a number of events in the American +midwest - in wheat fields - which included the "trilling" +effect which characterizes some of the English events. An +interview with one very bewildered Iowa farmer was +especially interesting. The same program showed footage of +similar formations in Japan, stating that there have been +quite a few there. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93207 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 05:41:36 +Sb: #93206-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +Admittedly, this doesn't address your question about +"seasonality." Because of the way invocation of +Classification is understandably perceived as begging an +issue, I have to presume that tests held elsewhere at +different times of the year haven't taken place because we +haven't heard of them. What I can do, however, is toss back +the argument when it is applied as "why Wiltshire?" Michael +McDowell has eloquently made the argument about the many +cloaks of obfuscation represented by the site. + +Here are some things I don't know. I don't know if the same +kind of testing is ongoing or periodic. Having been privy +to knowledge about other research projects, I know from +experience that many projects alternate between phases of +indoors and outdoors operations. A period of R & D is +followed by a test phase, followed by more R & D followed by +more testing. + +I do know that testing is only a phase of the R & D of many +high tech projects, and may be periodic. There must be +immense amounts of indoor work that follows the gathering of +test results. More often than not, modification and +implementation lags behind test data. If cycled tests are +what is happening, I don't think resolving the fact of that +is necessary to upholding the original working premise. + +As to credible investigatory reports that address +seasonality, I think a search is a good idea. I'm not a +farmer, and don't know what's in season where, but I would +certainly look to the southern hemisphere, from which the +silence has been deafening. Given the density of satellite +tracking facilities we have there, Australia might prove +interesting. Does anybody out there have any Aussie friends +who might respond to an inquiry? + +Bob + + + +#: 93238 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 19:19:09 +Sb: #93206-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Lawrence Geary/NJ 74017,3065 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Robert, + +I think your CIRCLES hypothesis falls down on a number of +other points regardless of whether a GEO or LEO satellite is +involved. Frankly, it just doesn't make a whole lot of +logical sense. + +You postulate that, over a period of more than a decade, one +or more governments launched secret satellites into orbit +with secret SDI laser and/or maser devices as payloads. The +only evidence you cite for this is the appearance of patches +of bent wheat in some English fields. + +Firstly, demonstrate to us that when a laser or maser is +fired at a collection of wheat, the result is not heating +and burning of the wheat, but to break the stalks somewhere +above the root or gently bend them down and swirl them in a +circle, with no evidence of heat damage. You have provided +no evidence that lasers or masers can do this. Your +allusions to circular polarization are, to my knowledge, +wrong. + +Demonstrate that an after effect of blasting wheat with such +a hypothetical device is to leave the area with an eerie +"trilling" sound (sort of like a cricket or locust?) that +persists over many days/weeks. Please explain the physics of +this after effect. + +You postulate that this testing program has been going on +for a long time, yet you show no evidence of the testing +progressing at all. That the earlier patterns were circles +and later ones are circles with lines or musical notes is +not evidence of a progressive testing program. Satellites +are pretty damned expensive to build, launch and monitor, +and I can't see the logic in launching a series of them with +different reticle patterns over *ten years* or more and +still performing the same trivial aiming tests. [continued] + + +#: 93239 S3/Satellite Observing + 01-Nov-91 19:19:25 +Sb: #93206-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Lawrence Geary/NJ 74017,3065 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +[continued] + +You do not consider that simple aiming and alignment testing +of the sort you suggest can be carried out very simply and +unobtrusively without the need to pockmark the ground. One +need only set up a temporary array of detectors in a grid +pattern, blast it (a low power infrared laser will do fine), +record the data and recover the array. The military loves +high tech stuff, and a detector array is a heck of a lot +more high tech than a wheat field. + +The notion that the government(s) is (are) "sending a +message" to some unnamed countries in Europe by pockmarking +English wheat fields is as bizarre as the 1960's notion that +the Chinese were sending political messages to the "west" by +changing the way Mao combed his hair. "If you want to send a +message, try Western Union." In the current context, James +Baker can be quite effective at delivering messages to +governments, friendly and unfriendly alike, and without the +ambiguity inherent in heiroglyphics which many consider +either a natural phenomenon or a series of hoaxes. + +Isn't there evidence somewhere of a crop circle in the +1600's? If they happened then, then there is no reason to +invoke secret government projects to explain their existence +today. + +Frankly, the idea that these circles are the imprints of +flying saucer landing struts is more plausible than the one +you suggest. In my opinion, we are seeing some combination +of a) wind, b) strange insect behavior, and c) deliberate +hoaxes by farmers out for a quick pound from gullible +tourists. + +--Larry + + + +#: 93272 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 01:00:39 +Sb: #93207-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +I did a fairly expensive amount of downloading here on +Compuserve a couple of months ago on crop circles, +scientific articles when I could get them, English +periodicals and papers, etc. (I'm in Boston, my files are +in California, but they'll be sent out to me soon.) I +remember that there were a very few crop circles in +Australia, but that they pre-dated the early 80s swarmings +in Wiltshire. + +Herstmonceaux Castle was valued at (Pound) One in the +Domesday Book. For a rather heftier sum, the British gov't +purchased it in 1946. I don't know what year its telescopes +went into operation. + + + +#: 93274 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 01:34:03 +Sb: #93165-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: tom genereaux 76703,4265 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 (X) + +RE - Satellite Tracking at Hurstmonceux - The U.S. most +certainly *does* have the equivalent - and better. The +GEODSS system has been operational for over a decade, and is +much better than the Hewitt designed camera at Hurstmonceux. +The Hewitt is the same vintage as the Baker-Nunn camera - +and cannot be retrofitted for electronic imaging. Nor could +the Baker- Nunn's - that's why we put the GEODSS system up. + +There are certain problems with your SDI theory that simply +don't hold up - and beam spreading is the least. Consider +the behavior of light through a mask, as you propose - there +will be an interference pattern generated *by the mask* +which prevents beam forming. + Tom G. + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93293 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 08:53:09 +Sb: #93274-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: tom genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +I'm not sure I ever suggested that light was beamed through +a mask -- I would rather think that it was the laser +mechanism itself which followed the track of the mask. Like +a router gliding along an S curve. And if we're talking a +couple of hundred miles... well, check out the recently +declassified work on ground-to-atmosphere laser imaging that +the DoD has been conducting since 1980. They've been doing +much better than anything that is suggested here. The only +reason the work was declassified is that civilian scientists +(Canadian I think) reinvented that particular wheel. + +When the Air Force announced that it was going to be taking +care of some of its own launchings, rather than relying on +Canaveral's weather and NASA's problem-du-jour, what sorts +of gadgetry were they intending to place in orbit, do you +know? (I am an expert in a number of things, none of which +have to do with SDI or lenses or the American military; so +someone with knowledge of the postulated arcana is probably +going to get badgered to tell what he may tell.) + + +#: 93294 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 08:56:10 +Sb: #93015-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Dave Woolcock 100010,2076 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +To check out the Low Earth Orbit theory, presumably we need +to correlate a satellite's movements with crop circle events +on the ground. I know zip about how to do this but: + +a) do we have a list of "events" showing: latitude, +longitude, location, date & time, details, weather, xrefs to +photographs etc, whether claimed by hoaxers etc If so is it +available for download anywheres? + +b) presumably, unless powered, a satellite's course is +predictable? Is it feasible that such a satellite is +steerable? + +c) is there a feasible course that would take a satellite +over the globe's crop circle sites? (i.e. over a Great +Circle extended upwards.. but it could be elliptical etc +though ??) + +d) if some sort of beam device is suggested, what kind of +weather would preclude its use? + +e) what interference and other side effects are expected if +such a beam is used from LEO height? can they be & were they +detected? + +I guess I don't know much about orbits etc, but this makes +you want to know more doesn't it? + + + +#: 93333 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 21:16:30 +Sb: #93293-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: tom genereaux 76703,4265 +To: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 + +Still doesn't work. Adaptive optics aren't the answer, +either, at higher power levels. Oh, they help a heck of a +lot, but local currents in the heat channel decollimate the +beam. So does local wind, ground currents, and +microturbulance. Now, adaptive optics have been discussed, +and *demonstrated* with varying degrees of success, for a +long time. The bits that got classified had to do with +specific wave front detection functions and with actual fine +control techniques. SPIE, however, has been publishing more +than hints about how to go about it for years. The +declassified stuff showed how to do adaptive optics +relatively cheaply. + +The biggest item in the Air Force payload list are a set of +recon satellites. We are down to *two* photo-recon birds, +and one White Cloud constellation. Lacrosse is the only SAR +orbiting. None of this gives the NRO people warm fuzzy +feelings, since the targets of reconnaisance(sp?) are +changing. The Air Force wants to be able to put up +intelligence satellites that don't need to have huge fuel +burns to change the target area - as is now the case. We +damn near got cooked by the lack of photo intelligence in +the early days of the Iraqui invasion of Kuwait. More +satellites increase the +coverage. + Tom G. + + +#: 93340 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 22:04:24 +Sb: #93238-#CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Lawrence Geary/NJ 74017,3065 + +Lawrence, I have to presume that you haven't ready the +original thread, CIRCLES.TXT, or seen current pictures of +the more complex crop formations. If I'm wrong, my +apologies. I mention it, because the 17th century formation +you mention is discussed in the first few pages of the +upload. It's known as "The Mowing Devil," a woodcut was +published in the 1680' (?), and appears in the CCCS book +which also contains the photographs of the crop events. The +book also contains the "Mowing Devil" woodcut. Those who do +find logic in an SDI-like hypothesis of some kind, see it as +one of many pre- existent sources which would confuse the +issue and make objective inquiry difficult. More to the +point, the ancient traditions of the area go back thousands +of years, making it very difficult for scientists to go very +public without using a "disreputable" vocabulary that would +banish them to the occult book shelves. Very convenient. + +As to what you ask me to demonstrate and explain, if I +could, I would now be in a safehouse with a bunch of +journalists trying to figure how to break the story. It is +still a speculation - but one based on at least a logical +extrapolation of known, existing technology. Rather than +overload the running thread with rehashes, I encourage you +to read CIRCLE.TXT and CIRCIS.TXT. both in ASTRO lib. 17. +It had a lot more downloads over in ISSUES/PARANORMAL, Lib. +10, having only recently graduated to here. + +I think you'll find many of your questions already +addressed, specific research cited, and ongoing experiments +quite specifically described. + +As to relative perceptions of what is logical, this is a +legitemate aspect of the discussion, and I have to accept +the burden of communication. So... + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93341 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 22:04:35 +Sb: #93340-#CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +I can't address your alternate scenario of detectors in a +grid pattern, but who knows? If they get good enough at it, +maybe they will. + +I don't remember saying anything about government(s) sending +messages to other governments by pockmarking wheat wheat +fields, but I suppose one could find solace if it was +perceived by irresponsible governments that nuclear +proliferation was already obsolete. I don't really know +what you mean. + +Your notion of strange insect behavior is interesting. Any +suggested family? Who taught them to operate surveying +equipment? Farmers out for a quick buck? The damage to the +wheat field at Barbury Castle, where one of the most +spectacular formations recently occured, came to over ten +thousand pounds. I think that would take a lot T-shirts. +The owner of the field, I am told, offered twenty thousand +to anybody who could duplicate it, if they'd pay ten +thousand for the crop damage. No takers, not even Doug and +Dave, who were promptly taken to court by the Farmers' Union +for recovery of damages to the formations they'd claimed. + +I think before any of us come to hasty conclusions about +what is or isn't logical, there's an interesting and +understandable phenomenon in which I take great interest, +which I'll call Collective Denial. Sometimes extraordinary +events occur which carry very frightening implications - +"Too Bad to be True," as it were. Many of history's holes +are buried deeply inside them. I think it's relevant here. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93342 S3/Satellite Observing + 02-Nov-91 22:04:49 +Sb: #93341-CIRCLES.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +I find it especially interesting that this thread never +seemed to take off on the UKFORUM, considering the amount of +private correspondence I'm receiving from various interested +parties, including researches on the site. I wouldn't want +to believe that prototypes of the Twenty First Century's +doomsday machines (I won't say Mannhatan Project) is +operating on my turf. It seems at least discourteous, and +less than forthcoming on the parts of the governments +involved. + +I would be the happiest person in the world if the +systematic solicitation of hard information which is the +intent, here, shot my theory to hell. It's not a pretty +notion. With what seems as of now the most "do- able" +explanation out of the way, I would happily move on to more +mundane and/or esoteric lines of inquiry. + +Collective Denial can affect the most educated, intelligent, +respectable, honest, and reponsible people in the world. +Without getting sidetracked by conspiracy issues which +become convenient umrellas from the issue at hand, +Collective Denial - the absolute invisibility of logic (and +evidence) from a scenario that is inherently destabilizing +and threatening - I hope you'll relaxedly read the available +material and view the images which your questions suggest +you may not have done yet, then re-examine your sense of +what is logical. + +If there was anything logical about all this I suppose this +discussion wouldn't be necessary, but we have to start +somewhere. + +BTW, Do I take it that you're in New Jersey? Do you happen +to know if the Army Signal Corps base at Fort Monmouth is +still in operation, and if not, is it occupied by anybody? +- Bob - + + + +#: 93406 S3/Satellite Observing + 03-Nov-91 22:41:49 +Sb: #93274-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: tom genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +Tom, still appreciating your help on EMP, I think there are +some items in your exchange with Michael McDowell re laser +collimation, stenciling, and other things on which I'd like +to comment. Re Herstmonceaux, speculation about it went +further than simple tracking. Presuming maneuverable, +course correcting satellites, which there are, given the +fact of the location of the Herstmonceaux facility and the +relevance of its alleged capabilities to overflight track +control, plus the fact of secure remote datalink, its +unknown capabilities really make it a sidebar. Relevant +function precludes discard of at least using is at al +"archetypal" element in the process. + +I understand that the Signal Corps base at Fort Monmouth is +still alive and well, were I looking for a stateside +situation. Throughout WWII and after, it was and continued +to be a major radar research facility. My father instructed +British radar operators there. I'm in L.A., but lived in +Philadelphia at the time. His other major "commute" was to +the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. If there were a +test site here, I would look for it there, presuming it +hasn't been shut down, which wouldn't mean anything anyway. +Aberdeen once enjoyed an elaborate Security cloak - woe +betide the unauthorized pilot - Airline included - who even +aimed for it. It had something else - an immense Electronic +and Optical Counter Measure (EOCM) [read 'jams anything, +just about anywhere...'] capability. So maybe some tests +were done here. I would accept Aberdeen as a secure site, +for the sake of broadening speculation. + +Then there's the question of "beam prevention by +interference pattern generated by a mask." + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93407 S3/Satellite Observing + 03-Nov-91 22:42:04 +Sb: #93406-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +You seem sophisticated about Security paramaters, so I trust +I won't be perceived as running for an umbrella, but your +counters to McDowell in offering what is or isn't being done +in space presume either that everything has been +declassified or you're accepting at face value what +information you can access. What we're talking about +involves projects I know to be at the top of NSA Security, +because I know of attempts to secure mission profiles under +the Freedom of Information Act, including specific +deployments you mention, and the results were 80% censored. + +What an electro-physical mask ('stencil') does to a +collimated beam depends on the properties of that mask - its +material, its electrical activity, its magnetic charge - a +variety of things. There is also the process of optical +collimation by which a laser can be optically compressed, as +would a concave mirror with a focal length equal to the +distance to the range. Considering a source emission of +millimeters, beam compression is feasible. There is ample +example of the use of stenciling in medicine - via physical +masks and superconductive electromagnetism. Collimation is +preserved, and can be enhanced. There is absolutely no hard +information on the results of the high temperature +superconduction experiments and long range laser collimation +experiments conducted in space. That such experiments were +conducted is a matter of record. "Yeah. We messed with +that." "What happened?" "Don't ask." What I'm referring to +goes far beyond the sophistication of adaptive optics that +has yet been conceded. As you mentioned, some publications +are giving hints, but the key is probably not in optical +systems, but in superconductive elecromagnetic ones. We +have lots of access to bench test stuff, but at 0 G, ambient +space conditions, and the efficiency of superconductors +there, nada. zip. nothing. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93408 S3/Satellite Observing + 03-Nov-91 22:42:16 +Sb: #93407-#CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +In the prior, in mentioning focal pointing to counter +decollimation or beam spreading, it is presumed for the sake +of the discussion that a ground arrival of several hundred +yards width would suggest some success. Even if a point +were actually achieved, an inverted image would appear on +the other side of the focal plane. I'm not ruling out +micro-scanning as an alternative to stenciling, but this +seems less feasible to me. Looking down from above, for the +sake of argument presuming a LEO emitter at 700 km +(Hubble's at 670' and intended for retrieval) it would be +looking down at a base atmosphere that was pretty thin. One +atmosphere of pressure (the weight of a column inch of +atmosphere all the way from Earth to Heaven) is 14.7 lbs/sq. +inch. That's equivalent to the pressure at 33' feet of sea +water. Throw in the ionosphere, and electrical effects +which are far less at night, (as any 20 meter ham knows), +and given that undersea laser experiments have maintained +point to point collimation through several hundred yards of +clear sea water, I don't think atmospheric effects can yet +be invoked as disqualifying. + +You also mentioned the huge fuel burns of maneuverable +satellites. As the Hubble profile states for the record, +LEO's are recoverable, repairable, and refuelable. Just +because one went up doesn't mean it was the only one in the +mission profile. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 93409 S3/Satellite Observing + 03-Nov-91 22:42:31 +Sb: #93408-CIRCLE.txt +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +You're right about the deficiency in global coverage of more +conventional devices. There was considerable unhappiness +about that fact in the military, largely because they were +under the impression that given the large number of +deployment missions, they had less than they'd expected. Not +everyone, it seems, knows just which mission did what, or +what payloads were inserted by conventional boosters, later +to be serviced or even linked by subsequent Shuttle +intercepts. + +On the question of local currents in the heat channel +decollimating the beam, or local wind, ground and micro- +turbulences, I know of nothing suggesting anything other +than that these effects do not affect collimated light, +microwaves, X-rays or IR the same way in spaceborne +experiments as in laboratory situations. The simple fact is +that we haven't the foggiest idea about the level of +sophistication acheived in the ten highly classified years +of Star Wars funding, which continues in spite of the public +perception that it's a boondoggle, as described by Reagan. +In Bush's recent SALT treaty speech, he was glib enough to +remind us of all the money SALT would free up for SDI +research. He even said it on CNN so it has to be true. +Can we honestly answer with certitude what they've bought +over the years. I know I can't know, but I know enough to +know what is conceivable. This whole exercise here is about +rattling cages. I've had too much direct experience with +classification procedures to believe that the scenario I'm +holding out, as flexible as possible, I hope, isn't covered +by the simple extrapolation of technology already known to +exist. + +Bob + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1209.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1209.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..200aaba0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1209.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,2004 @@ +SUBJECT: WGA CIRCLES THREAD EXPANDS TO COMPUSERVE FILE: UFO1209 + +PART 3 + + +to a thread in the "Science" forum about SDI origins for +some of the crop events. I'm the uploader of the original +CIRCLE.TXT, which is in the Paranormal Lib. 10 here. It's +the original thread from the "Science & Health" forum of the +(members only) BBS of the Writers' Guild of Amercia, West +(WGA), Los Angeles. That file, plus the CIS thread that +followed, called CIRCIS.TXT, are in both the SPACE and +ASTRONOMY libraries 17, "New Uploads." Another volume is +yet to come. + +The thread continued - especially on ASTRONOMY/Satellite +Obseration. If you're aware of a thread in any location not +mentioned above, I'd like to hear of it. The thread kept +going after CIRCIS.TXT, and has reached quite a level of +development. I'll be uploading a "a second volume" of the +CIS thread as soon as some people have a chance to get the +last word. If you or others here haven't already seen it, I +encourage a look at CIRCLE.TXT and CIRCIS.TXT. I also +apolgize for their length, but the issues raised are of some +importance. I hope you and others will check it out. + +Bob + + +#: 93625 S3/Satellite Observing + 07-Nov-91 22:31:26 +Sb: CIRCS2.TXT (CIRCLE.TXT) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: All + +CIRCS2.TXT, the continuation of the CIS thread (CIRCIS.TXT), +which was generated by CIRCLE.TXT, is currently in SPACE +Lib. 17. I hated to end it with my own response to some +comments, not wanting to steal the last word. If the thread +continues, it will be resent as soon as a less seemingly +self-serving stopping point is reached. My apologies to any +participants who may feel they were left dangling. The +upload contains directions to where the thread is, to allow +overlap before the next forum pruning. + +For the sake of those among "All" who haven't tuned in, this +refers to the "crop circle" thread, debating the possibility +of (some) crop events as being artifacts of satellite borne +laser/maser/other SDI (or something) experiments. + +Bob + + +#: 190998 S10/Paranormal Issues + 08-Nov-91 20:17:05 +Sb: #190159-#Crop Circles +Fm: Stephen Ryland 72345,366 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + +Terry- + Yes, I wonder how many may be crop marks. If you look at +a dense site in Britian you will see many crop marks +identifying buried earthworks, etc. Also, many times the +difference in soil type along the earthworks or slight +elevation differences will cause the grain to grow higher, +sometimes in positive or negative crop marks. When heavy +winds some, this higher grain is knocked down-this is a well +known and studied phenomenon. Of course, this by no means +explains everything, but may explain some. + Steve + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 191229 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 07:36:19 +Sb: #190998-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Stephen Ryland 72345,366 + +Stephen, I wanted to acknowledge your thoughts about the +effects of buried earthworks, re (some) crop circle events. +As a result I scanned the available photographs, and see a +few which may be just that. I suspect that when this is +relatively sorted out, some archaeologists will be applying +for excavation grants on a few of them. Only a few, +however. + +The formations which triggered the SDI connection, however, +all formed at night, with sharp outlines, relatively +quickly, in the absence of wind, and clearly placed with +precision within the fields. No incursions into adjoining +roads, under fences, or anything like that. + +Your thoughts may well account for some, however. (Where's +that grant application manual I had lying around here...) + +Bob + + +#: 191143 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 01:28:50 +Sb: #189964-Crop Circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + + + Hi Bob, + + Yes, CIRCLE.TXT is the file I was referring to. I +found it very interesting and informative. I don't really +know what to make of the circles and have been trying to +keep an open mind on them. The SDI angle is as good an +explanation for some of the circles as I have read yet. I +have always felt that there is more capability to SDI than +the government wants us to think about. The umbrella against +nuke warheads was just a way for the government to get the +funding it needed (shades of the Willie Horton scare +tactics). I have not read the CIRCIS.TXT file yet. Is it in +the Paranormal library also? I was unaware that anyone else +on CIS was talking about the circles until I read the +CIRCLE.TXT file. Thanks for uploading it. Have you pulled +together the circles threads from this forum yet (is that +what CIRCIS.TXT is?)? If not, I could go back over my +message files and pull together what I have for you. + + BTW, I have no problem with the size of the files, but +you might want to break them down to 60-70K parts. A lot of +people can't work with files that big for one reason or +another. + + Terry + +#: 191144 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 01:29:04 +Sb: #190158-Crop Circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + + + Terry, + + Congrats on your "graduation". Glad to hear your doing +better by the day. It was nice of Anne to set the treader up +the way she did. A perscription pool!! No wonder my +insurance rates are going up . Hope the weather gets +better so that you can use it again before next spring. + + Please tell Rex and Carol that I think they have done +an excellent research job on Gulf Breeze and that I hope +they can reach a understanding with Bruce M that will be +satisfactory to both. When you get that copy of +"Soldier of Fortune" please let me know the issue, as I +would like to read it. + + Yes, Chorost's ideas about the megaliths and crop marks +was also a good point. I had a 3x5 foot crop rectangle in my +backyard a couple of years ago. Couldn't figure out what +caused it till I dug down about a foot and found a old +septic tank. It must have been put in back in the late 50's +when this end of town was just that, the end of town :). + + I think what we are going to find out about the circles +is that they are a combination of many different causes. +Crop marks, hoaxes, weather and natural phenomena, a couple +of UFO's, possibly SDI testing and who knows what else. What +really amazes me is that so much is happening in such a +small area, relatively speaking. + + Keep getting healthy, + Terry + + +#: 191206 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 06:21:31 +Sb: #191143-#Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 + +Hi back, Terry. Actually both Terrys'. + +I was very pleased at your reaction to CIRCLE.TXT. With the +history of the megalith's, Ley lines, et al - the site +really was made to order. I found the comments about +delayed reactions based on prior sites to be very evocative, +and I would include a few in particular as among "most of +the above." The reason I narrow it to a few is the +precision with which some of the most spectacular align with +current furrows, and include a directional reference +(Barbury is a good example) to true north. Also among the +more recent ones is a copy of an Anasazi (11th century +Arizona) petroglyph. The impression was that somebody made +a mistake or was kibbitzing. Surreal... + +The CIRCLE.TXT unfortunately had to be kept intact, since it +had an internal continuity which we (the participants) +agreed needed to be preserved, as the debate left many with +more flexible attitudes than those with which they began. +It was happening on a BBS of professional writers, and the +development of attitudes and the continuity of the thread +seemed seamless. CIRCLE.TXT, as long as it is, astonished us +by the number of downloads it did receive, from the +ISSUES/PARANORMAL Lib. 10 (46, the last time I looked) and +more from SPACE and ASTRONOMY Libraries 17 (New Uploads), +both of which accepted it. CIRCIS.TXT is the compiled +CompuServe thread which ensued, and CIRCS2.TXT is it's +continuation. Both are also in SPACE and ASTRONOMY +Libraries 17. CIRCS2.TXT is the shortest, as we are +painfully aware of the expense of downloading long files. +We knew this theory was (publicly) non-existent elsewhere, +and that it ought to made accessible on a global basis. +Interestingly, the UKFORUM declined it, and the thread there +ended with a lot of empty headers. Hmm. As it turned out, +many of the major contributors were in the UK, having +obtained it from the other libraries. + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 191207 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 06:21:46 +Sb: #191206-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +I only wish I could have included private correspondence I +received from the UK. Some of it was from researchers at +the sites, who were very generous in sending (often at hefty +postal rates) surveys of the best sites, and a sense of the +scene in general. Even those who favored more paranormal +scenarios than "Earth Wars" were very forthcoming. A +collective denial seems to have set in in the UK among the +majority, which is understandable. It can't be easy to deal +with the idea that a potential Manhattan project of the 21st +Century is entering puberty overhead. + +For the record, as messages in the files attest, I am not a +UFO debunker. Quite the contrary. But I do see the UFO +aspect as helping to confound the rules of evidence, by +design. I do know that the U.S. Military can simulate a UFO +with specially designed helicopters - made for that purpose +- when they need to do an on-site visit under observation. +Also, as a pilot, though I haven't seen one, I have heard +commercial air traffic in which pilots called ground +facilities for radar verifications of visual sightings, and +always got them. There would follow a discussion whether to +bother with the hassle of a report. There was an eery sense +of "routineness" every one of the four or five times I heard +such dialogues. The most interesting one I overheard +involved a radar operator at ATC say, "your E.T. just made a +right turn at mach 10..." The pilot said, "I just lost +visual contact." The response from radar... "well, we still +have it." + +If the SDI scenario can be laid to rest, and we tried very +hard to shoot it down, only to have each attempt give it new +life... we can scientifically move on to more hypotheses. +Nobody would rest more easy than would I. + +Bob + + + +#: 191228 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 07:36:12 +Sb: Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 + +Terry, just a compulsive addendum to answer a question you +asked that I didn't answer about the thread files. +CIRCIS.TXT and CIRCS2.TXT make a valiant effort to compile a +thread which had a problem finding a home. Some of it is +here, but much/most of it migrated to +SPACE/Extraterrestrials (S7), and then, when it started to +get attention from scientists - an exposure and devil's +advocacy which was much desired - it continued on +ASTRO/Satellite Observing (S3). If anybody knows of any +traffic elsewhere, I missed it and would appreciate +directions. + +BTW, CIRCIS.TXT and CIRCS2.TXT are not in Lib. 10, here, +just in SPACE and ASTRO libs. 17. + +Bob + +y#: 191405 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 16:29:34 +Sb: #191207-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +In June 1988 I was visiting a college friend (who had, like +me, started out as a physics major; he went into +programming, I into, uh, English) and his girlfriend in +Huntsville. A former high-level mil-industrial complex R&D +manager (a promoted engineer) delivered an address at the +Huntsville campus of U of 'Bama (or 'Bama State?--I sense +one of the circulating skeptics is gonna be down my throat +in a second, and am too tired, frankly, to care right now) +in which he outlined his reasons for believing that SDI, +from its inception, has been a project devoted to developing +an _offensive_ space-based weapons system. The guy had +impressive credentials; the talk was sanctioned by the +school. I didn't write them all down. Sorry. Proves they +were either bogus or I made them up to justify my (soon to +be asserted) true-believer's paranoiac weltanschauung. I +found his argument quite cogent, quite credible, and in line +with stuff I knew from some people I interned with while a +physics major. There is, of course, the argument from +practicality and feasibility: it's a hell of a lot easier to +aim something at the ground and scorch away than to detect +and track a ballistic missile and/or its warheads, determine +if it is a decoy, and deliver, over a significant span, with +lots of aggressive countermeasures coming at you, a narrow +stream of energy. Think about it for a second. If you had a +nuke-pumped multi-rod gamma laser cruising around, would you +rather fix all the rods on moving targets, using huge +amounts of data fed via other satellites (probably +themselves under attack: the enemy doesn't just sit there, +and satellite-killing is easier than this elaborate scheme), +or would you rather take leisurely aim at several spots of +terra firma, and let the other guy know you had the capacity +to play Spaceman Sherman? + + +#: 191670 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 00:21:18 +Sb: #191405-#Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +It's good to meet you, Michael. First, may I have +permission to rip off, "Proves they were either bogus or I +made them up to justify my (soon to be asserted) true- +believer's paranoiac weltanschauung?" I can really use that +on the WGA BBS. That made my day, on a number of levels. +Thank you. Our resident skeptics at the WGA invoke inverse +equivalents on a regular basis, and it's a perfect pre- +emption of at least twelve knee-kerk howls per thread +initiation. I really loved it. I'll even give you credit +if you want. Upper or lower case on the name? Starting in +pre-med, as I did, I understand "(uh, English)," too. With +an M.D. mother and a space scientist father there was +nothing for it but to be a Journalism major. Except for a +few later relapses into Think Tank work, I made my escape. I +always loved science and history, and I grew up in an +environment which taught me that objectivity requires a +certain courage when its result raises questions about +presumed fundementals. The enemy of communication, or even +the re-asking of presumably fundamental questions, is often +taken as a direct threat to the security base of the +Discipline under challenge. There is another, of which you +also seem free. Collective denial - the invisibility, by +even the most "educated," astute, intelligent, perceptive, +honorable, well-meaning people, of that which "is too bad to +be true." A scan of the last thirty years of our history, +not to mention a backward projection through millenia of +academic self-contradiction, is a major study in itself. +Taking that tack, I knew going into this thread, that +collective denial would be the major headwind, but that the +burden of communication would be on me, and those who shared +my desire to get the "Earth Wars" option into the public +conversation for the common good. Please excuse this +personal 'dump,' but I guess I want the skeptics to know +that they, too, have my respect, and they *should* challenge +what doesn't work for them, even if the reason is that it +contradicts their education. That's real science. + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 191671 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 00:21:34 +Sb: #191670-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +To return to the thread (with apologies to all for the on- +line charges incurred downloading this monster even with +Tapcis), I was thrilled to see you say out loud the stuff +about nuke-pumped multi-rod gamma lasers. You went straight +to the heart of what the "/other" implies in +laser/maser/other. If my perception of events is correct, +the current state of the art (may da Vinci forgive the +term), may or may not have had time to move beyond what it +is - the prototype testing of scaled down versions of a +technology that doesn't even have a name yet. In the course +of the thread (I don't know how much of the three files so +far uploaded you've read) but a concession was made on one +of the non-paranormal forums that coherent gamma emission +was "theoretically possible," but nobody'd yet figured how +to do it, as though anybody who knew for sure would take the +self-compromising risk of saying so. That requires a lot of +between-the-line reading. One never can be sure if one is +being baited for the revelation of misbegotten sources, is +being discretely "fed" by friends, or is making people +nervous and pitfalls are being dug. Your message was very +welcome indeed. + +Re Spaceman Sherman, from recent world developments I would +deduce that the "other guys" (whoever "they" are today) are +getting quite a demonstration that a new definition of +"conventional weapon" has made it to next year's lexicon, +and it confronts them with a wider technological gap than +anyone can afford the time or resources to pre-empt. +Inverting the acronym, the truly immense funding of SDI in +the face of public discreditation, and the importance placed +on its cessation by the Eastern bloc when it first went +"public" strongly suggest that its true purpose (if I'm +right) was suspected, if not known. Maybe it's my own +residual denial at work, but this could be good news or bad +news. It depends who's in control. That's why I find it so +important that people look at this very hard. + +Bob + + +#: 191637 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 22:36:13 +Sb: #190998-#Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Stephen Ryland 72345,366 + +Steve, + +-> this by no means explains everything + +That's for sure! Soil and elevation differences are never so +precisely geometric. Nor, I suspect, do windswept crops +exhibit the changes that are consistent with microwave +exposure. + +Malcolm + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 191652 S10/Paranormal Issues + 09-Nov-91 22:48:48 +Sb: #191637-Crop Circles +Fm: Michael McDowell 76207,1247 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 + +You're correct. Roman remains, medieval remains, remains of +much more recent times can sometimes be observed from the +air as outlines that are darker or lighter than the +surrounding cover. But these are principally due to a lack +of root space below the surface. A buried wall of a Roman +bath does not obey modern boundary lines; it does not +arrange to exhibit its pattern above quite suddenly and +distinctly after (what must be) years of quietude. The +individual plants that make up crop circles are not shorter +than their neighbors, nor a more intensive gree color -- +they are only bent in such a way to form regular (more or +less) figures with irregular (more or less) appendages. + + + +#: 191686 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 01:25:40 +Sb: #191228-Crop circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + + + Bob, + + As soon as I get time I'm going to go on over to the +Space forum and download those files. I am looking forward +to reading them. As I said to Terry E., I think that we are +going to find that there are a lot of different causes of +the circles. Then the trick is going to be to try and tell +which causes go with which circles. What a jigsaw puzzle! +One question, could you go into more detail about the +Helicopters that can masquerade as UFO's. This sounds very +interesting. + + Terry + + + +#: 191753 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 06:34:19 +Sb: #191686-Crop circles +Fm: anders heerfordt 100016,3142 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 + +It could be the other way around, UFOs masquerading as +helicopters. Certainly in the cattle-mutilation cases, there +have been many sightings of helicopters that could not be +identified, and which behaved in a strange manner, such as +not generating sound. But I didnt read the whole thread, so +my comment may be misplaced. + + +#: 191778 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 07:19:56 +Sb: #191686-#Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 + +Terry, about UFO simulations; I reiterate that I'm not a +debunker of UFO's, and I hope everyone reading this saw my +prior narrative to that effect. There are varying versions +about whether the helicopter is NSA, CIA, or Military +proprietary. Most guesses attribute it to the CIA. I +learned of it from a credible, unclassified source, who +happened to stumble on a demonstration of it. I raise it +here, because what was described to me very closely fits +those UFO sightings associated with certain crop circle +events at which UFO activity was reported. + +There is no conscious breach of the National Security Act in +the following. It is said to have been designed for "overt +covert" operations of a variety of sorts. It was described +as having a light-absorbing exterior - dull black. The +powerplant is heavily muffled, and a sound emitter (high +pitched) blanks the throb of high rotor-pitch (blade angle +of attack, not tone) operation. On the rotor tips are +programable strobes which can be synched to RPM to give the +illusion of windows. It is heavily overpowered to permit a +relatively silent, low RPM hover, and may have a tripod-type +landing gear designed to give the classic UFO footprint. It +may also have a mist emitter (I realize this sounds far +fetched, but everything seems to be, lately) which can be +"painted" by programmed lasers in the same fashion that rock +concert light shows operate. The effect of the rotor wash on +the mist would be irrelevant to the image painted by the +lasers. And before everybody freaks out... + + +[More] + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 191779 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 07:20:09 +Sb: #191778-Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +I was fortunate enough to have tickets to the closing of the +'84 Olympics, here in L.A. The most memorable single +special effect that David Wolper came up with was a UFO +simulation which is still talked about, in a town quite +jaded about such things. A UFO appeared in the stadium, +took off, and went up up and away. Had I seen it from a +country road, or anywhere else, nothing could have convinced +me it wasn't real. It, too, used a laser painted image on a +special surface. The effect was so compelling and dramatic, +as any UFO event must be, that a stadium full of people were +completely unaware that it was on the end of a wire, +connected to a hovering helicopter - also black - very close +by. I only recently found out how it was done. + +I don't know if you saw it or not, but on a recent episode +of "Unexplained Mysteries," hosted by Robert Stack, a very +unusual "UFO revelation" was offered. It was about +sightings at a U.S. air base in southern England in the very +early '80's. What made this piece highly irregular was that +it included eyewitness accounts of active reservists and +*still active* Air Force personnel. This, as far as I know, +was unprecedented. The artists' renditions of what they saw +fit the helicopter simulation perfectly - down to the tripod +landing indents, the dimensions, the strobe-like "windows." +It also included descriptions of effects exactly like the +"plasma vortex" and ball lightning effects described by +Meaden, and Ohtsuki, the Japanese researcher. + +(Disinformation by association?) I had the overall +impression that the public was being given UFO's to chew on, +for the sake of increasing the diversion. Too many common +elements, too closely timed to publicized inquiries - in +southern England, said to have occured at the time when the +circles were first being noticed. Circles not mentioned. + +Bob + + + +#: 192222 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 21:58:11 +Sb: #191779-Crop circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + + + Bob, + + Thanks for the info about the UFO simulating +helicopters. They sound like enhanced verisons of the +standard black stealth helicopters that the government uses +for surveillance work. + + I don't think that anybody here thinks of you as a +debunker. You contribute thoughts and ideas to the +discussion and that is what it is all about. There is +definitely *something* going on and as you said to Mike H., +people had better start taking a good hard look at what it +might be. Time is running out and those with their heads in +the sand are going to be in for an AWFULLY rude awakening. + + Terry + + +#: 192057 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 17:49:19 +Sb: #191405-Crop Circles +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +>>and let the other guy know you had the capacity to play +Spaceman Sherman?<< + +Michael, if the crop circles are really intended to "send a +message" to some other country, the sender must presume the +target audience is uncannily perceptive. Excuse my +skepticism but, anyone who can disguise a message with this +degreee of subtlety should have no trouble deciphering all +those diabolical messages that become apparent when rock +music is played in reverse! + +I agree with the premise of this thread that SDI activity is +an intriguing possible explanation for crop circle activity +and definitely deserves further inquiry. However, sending +messages to other world powers (or whoever) through crop +circles is a bit of a stretch. It flies in the face of the +underlying theory which is that Wiltshire was selected as a +testing ground in order to camoflauge the activity. + + +#: 192166 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 20:31:15 +Sb: #191143-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 (X) + +Terry, + +Who the heck IS Willie Horton?! I've seen the name +repeatedly in the last week or so and have no idea what/who +people are talking about! + +Malcolm + +#: 192093 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 19:02:43 +Sb: #191637-Crop Circles +Fm: Stephen Ryland 72345,366 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + + Just another possibility for some of the more simple +circles; but it surely sounds like you have your mind made +up. Personally I have not subjected large amounts of +cropland to intense microwave energy, so I cannot determine +if the grain deformation is consistent or not-we have +subjected oil shale to such energy. + + Steve + + +#: 192269 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 23:31:38 +Sb: #192166-Crop Circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 + + + Hi Malcolm, + + Willie Horton is the black gent who raped a woman +while he was out of prison on work release up in +Massachusetts in the mid 80's. George Bush used the crime to +beat Mike Dukakius up in the 88 election. George +played on white fear of mass release of black criminals if +Dukakius was elected, even though Dukakius had nothing to do +with the release of Horton, to get votes. + +To me the SDI umbrella to protect little childern from nuke +attack was the same thing. The Reagan people played on the +fears of nuclear war (remember the crayon drawings of the +rainbow shield protecting little Jimmy and mom and dad with +little Jimmy's voiceover) in order to get massive funding +for SDI. + + You can scare some of the people some of the time, and +you can scare some of the people all of the time, but if you +can scare most of the people once in a while you can get +anything you want from them and they will never know just +what it was they gave you ;) + + Terry + +#: 192275 S10/Paranormal Issues + 10-Nov-91 23:57:42 +Sb: #192057-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, I need to clear up a lingering misinterpretration, and +I take full responsibility for not having communicated it +well. I never meant to simplistically imply that the crop +events were themselves the "signals." I believe Intelligence +exchanges and closed door "FYI briefings" communicated much +more directly what was taking place, all quite thoroughly +modulated by the geopolitical weather, starting quite some +time ago. What the crop formations secondarily happen to +also do is furnish an ongoing demonstration of the level of +R & D. I don't for a moment believe they are anything other +than R & D artifacts, cleverly placed. *The crop events are +not themselves the signals.* + +The only reason I can think of for the intensely negative +Soviet reaction to the initiation of the SDI program is that +they knew its true nature from the beginning, as did the +Congressional committees which continued its heavy funding. +We must remember that at the beginning, the players were +Reagan (literally, with script), Ms. Thatcher, and a very +different Eastern Bloc under Brezhnev. Along came Gorbachev, +and SDI was no longer a SALT deal breaker. It had its up +sides for the futures of several countries. + +According to media reports here, there is a large +procurement team now in Russia negotiating for the sale and +exchange of hardware and R & D - much of it openly stated as +SDI-related material. The geopolitical sidebars which +reinforce the pattern when run in slow motion parallel to +the crop event calendar, open a subject far too large for +this or any other BBS forum. If and when what I and others +tend to believe is ultimately confirmed, that story will be +fodder for the historians of this very strange period. +First, however, more of the "numbers" in the official +portrait of Bush's "New Order" remain blank. Wiltshire, and +soon Japan, are two numbers not yet painted in. -Bob- + + + +#: 192293 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 04:11:56 +Sb: #191405-Crop Circles +Fm: Phillip Schuman 76050,55 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +Michael: An overtly offensive mission for SDI was certainly +part of the research (nuclear powered x-ray lasers were +shown fairly early on to have little defensive value, but +research continued apace anyway), but I'm not sure that it +was the preponderant rationale, or that defensive purposes +were not heavily involved as well. The point of the whole +thing is really that even the defensive side had an +offensive aspect, in that it could make a first-strike more +thinkable. No first strike foreseeably could prevent some +sizable fraction of missed, launched on warning, or mobile +launched missiles from being sent in a return salvo, and +even 10 hits on major cities would be an unparalleled social +catastrophe. But if the fractionally sized return salvo +could be knocked down (a task made immensely easier by +downscaling the number of targets by, say, 90%), then it +became thinkable, and the possibility of meaningful nuclear +superiority, and all those war gaming counterforce strike +scenarios, would become operational. This was well +understood, and explicitly forbidden by the ABM treaty, +which limited such defensive attempts to the allowed one or +two systems. A usable and meaningful nuclear superiority was +the Holy Grail of the defense establishment, and nothing +short of SDI would regain it, after the effect of MIRVing +the Soviet heavy launchers. But the offensive side of this +should be given greater attention, since it was specifically +denied in the propaganda treatment designed for its +justification. ...phil + + + +#: 192474 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:13:02 +Sb: #191671-#Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +They sure as hell decided to drop out of the weapons race, +didn't they? + +I find it curious, and at times disturbing, that the US and +the UN keep swapping positions of authority. Turns out, +according to Newsweek, that the UN team cornered by the +Iraqis _did_ send the data directly to US intelligence. We +also supplied sat data to the UN inspection teams. Now, I'm +no apologist for the Iraqis, but I sorta liked the old days +when the US griped about funding the UN which always voted +against it. Things are real cozy now, and George keeps +mumbling about the New World Order, whatever that means. I'm +not one of those ravers against dread One World Government, +but, hey: we elected the guy to defend, protect etc the US. +Maybe I just think the unexamined privileging, in realms as +diverse as psychology and geopolitics, of unity over +diversity and plurality ought to be examined. Scares me to +think every little state that precipitates out of the once +monolithic Soviet empire might get a bundle of nukes, but +isn't it weird when the Soviets are stopping short only of +begging us to take 'em off their hands? And Cheney, in his +artfully elliptical way, keeps hinting we'd like to. + +Isn't there a lag of several hundred years before one gets +the straight historic scoop on a culture? In America, we +suppose that the infoglut implies a correct version of +received current history. I guess the point would be to +figure out how to live until 2400, and get a good dark +chuckle looking back +. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 192494 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:41:26 +Sb: #191779-Crop circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Vallee takes up the subject of the so-called Bentwaters +incident, and the possibility that it was staged for the +witnesses for several reasons-including gauging whether they +would "buy" the effects if, say, they saw something similar +coming into the base perimeter, or obey orders and fire-and +makes some interesting observations about careful control of +viewing angles, pre-event dispatching of personnel, etc. + + +#: 192708 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 18:30:22 +Sb: #192474-Crop Circles +Fm: Tom Genereaux 76703,4265 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +As a practicing amateur historian, one can allow a bit less +than a century elapse before getting the right perspective. +Anything more than that and you get into referential +problems. (Anyone care to try to explain the mindset of the +18th century soldier? Or a 14th century chatelaine?) +However, the following month is too soon. + Tom G. + + +#: 192476 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:15:53 +Sb: #192057-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +I never claimed, or intended to claim, that the circles were +the result of SDI testing. I jumped in on the discussion of +possible alternative strategic uses of SDI. Wait. That's +redundant. + + +#: 192509 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:58:53 +Sb: #192093-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Stephen Ryland 72345,366 + +Stephen, + +No, I don't have my mind made up at all; I just blame govt. +out of habit. :) Really, I dunno what's doing it. HOWEVER, +that being said.... + +I've seen wind. And I've never seen it arrange things to +point to true north. I've seen inconsistencies in a field of +growing vegetation. But it's irregular. If I had some kind +of energy beam (laser or microwave) and a computer system to +control it, it would still be NOT EASY for me to make +patterns so precise. When I first heard about circles, I was +not terribly impressed. I assumed they were approximately +circular with some being maybe elliptical or oval, etc. And +I figured they were couple feet across maybe. + +Then I saw the pictures in New Age magazine. I was floored! +The suckers are HUGE! And they're geometric and ultra ultra +precise. Mother Nature took no notice when Euclid started +teaching classes. I think Grace Slick expressed it best when +she said, "You don't see a g**d*** square tree." + +To conclude that a hi-tech intelligence is behind the +circles is NOT a leap of faith, IMHO. It's as plain as the +nose on our faces; no, plainer! To conclude that it is +anything else is a leap of skepticism, also IMHO. + +Malcolm + + +#: 192483 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:26:36 +Sb: #192166-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + +Lee Atwater's best friend. + + +#: 192494 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 10:41:26 +Sb: #191779-Crop circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Vallee takes up the subject of the so-called Bentwaters +incident, and the possibility that it was staged for the +witnesses for several reasons-including gauging whether they +would "buy" the effects if, say, they saw something similar +coming into the base perimeter, or obey orders and fire-and +makes some interesting observations about careful control of +viewing angles, pre-event dispatching of personnel, etc. + + + +#: 192904 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 23:11:02 +Sb: #192269-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 (X) + +Terry, + +OK, thanks. + +When you say "remember the crayon drawings" I presume that +that was a commercial. I can't remember it cause I'm in +Canada and not all of your stuff gets up here. Especially +the political "hints" they give you. I don't even get any of +the Buffalo stations. + +Malcolm + + +#: 192905 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 23:11:08 +Sb: #192483-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +Mike, + +:) Never heard of Lee either. Was that a joke? :) + +Malcolm + + +#: 192907 S10/Paranormal Issues + 11-Nov-91 23:11:18 +Sb: #192474-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +Mike, + +I think the infoglut means that we can't ferret out the +truth now, let alone in future. In S12, Tom left a message +sayingthat Texas had withdrawn six textbooks as unusable. +One of them stated that the US had once dropped an atomic +bomb on Korea! This _was_ a textbook until recently! REA +mesage #191583 for a real head-shaker. + +Malcolm + + +#: 192993 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 06:09:07 +Sb: #192509-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 + +Malcolm, I couldn't help but notice in your message to +Stephen Ryland your initial expectation of relatively +imprecise circles, ellipse, etc. Interestly, the perfectly +circular ones, few in number, are generally relatively +simple depressions, albeit with the classic "braided +layover" pattern. I have some of the surveys, and reports +from researchers, of the immense, complicated ones with +clearly precise formats, and the circles most often turn out +to be very slightly elliptical - even along the alignment of +whatever straight-line structure connects multiple circles. +The effect isn't consistent with an angle of incidence from +an emission source not directly overhead, but is very +consistent with very slight elongation caused by slight +differential motion, or a collimation effect I know not of. + +You'll find among the better pictures of the more recent, +complex ones,some that look unsettlingly like target +reticules. It's a convenient design for evaluating +precision and alignment. + +Bob + + +#: 192992 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 06:08:59 +Sb: #192494-Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +Michael, I'm not familiar with the Bentwater incident, at +least by that name. It sounds like something described to +me in E-mail by a UK pen pal in Wiltshire. Likewise, the +name Vallee is new to me. I'd sure appreciate any +directions you can give me, or at least additional +information about the incident you mentioned. + +Another of the rationales for using Wiltshire as test site +had to do with the cover that would be afforded "observers" +who could simply mingle among the metaphysical researchers, +and take the 2 quid tour. Many of them brought electronic +gear, but couldn't be separated from the tourists who brough +technical gear of their own. There was apparently quite a +large and well-equipped Japanese contingent. I mention this +because the preponderance of circle events outside the UK, +numberically speaking, have occured in Japan, as has much +possible parallel research (Ohtsuki and others). I have +video of a few of the Japanese events, and they have a very +different look - more chaotic - and more consistent with the +"plasma vortex" effects so prominent in the literature we're +able to obtain from Japan. One can't help but wonder if +they have an independent program of their own, certainly on +a seemingly smaller scale than the one under discussion, +employing a different basic effect. My alarm bells tell me +not to omit factoring them into the equation. + +Bob + + +#: 193023 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 07:22:34 +Sb: #192992-Crop circles +Fm: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob: + + Given the depth of your research and your WGA membership, +may we anticipate a movie on this subject? + + If your UK pen pal referred to the Bentwaters incident he +may have called it the Rendlesham Forest incident. It +occurred in late December 1980 in Rendlesham Forest just +outside Bentwaters AFB, a U.S. NATO base in Eastern England. +Supposedly a UFO in distress made an emergency landing and +was surrounded by USAF security troops. After a "face-off" +between the base commander and one of the diminutive UFO +crew, the crew made repairs and departed, leaving the USAF +with film of the entire incident. + + The most extensive published account of the incident so +far is a not very satisfying book called *Sky Crash* by +Jenny Randles, Dot Street and Brenda Butler (Neville +Spearman 1984). I've been told by an AF colonel that, +according to some participants, the most accurate account +was published in *Soldier of Fortune*, but I'm still waiting +for him to find his copy and tell me which issue it was in. +There's a book in progress by a fellow named Larry Warren +who claims to have been there. Also, there's a paper on the +case by Raymond Boeche, of Lincoln, Nebraska and MUFON, in +the 1986 MUFON Symposium Proceedings. According to Boeche, +Nebraska's Senator James Exon looked into the case +personally and then refused to discuss it, even with his +staff. + + Terry + + +#: 193217 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 17:26:09 +Sb: #192275-Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +I tend to agree that IF crop circles are related to SDI then +it is PLAUSIBLE that they are "R & D artifacts" as you +state. I would also agree that they are not themselves the +signals and that the signals are carried on in a more +conventional manner. However it must be considered that the +circles may also serve as _camouflaged_evidence_ with their +nature known to all the "players." + +Although it causes hope to swell, it makes me nervous that +so much peace-making is going on all at once. What does it +mean? Will we see Northern Ireland laying down arms next? +Is the US playing "make peace or we shoot you"? Are we +simply witnessing some last-minute preparations for the end +of the millenium (a la the previous millenium-end)? I think +that Dennis Hopper's character was correct in Flashback when +he said that the "Nineties are going to make the Sixties +look like the Fifties" - only more so. + +Dennis + + +#: 193073 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 08:53:10 +Sb: #192708-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Tom Genereaux 76703,4265 (X) + +Point on the 14th-c chatelaine well-taken. I was once in a +Chaucer seminar that foundered on the point (the prof and I +took one side--evil cultural conservatives that we were; the +others took the "progressive" side) of whether we could make +assumptions about Chaucer's attitudes, and thus use them as +guides in interpreting his ironic intent, based on his +posited enlightened adherence to current value systems. I +thought the whole thing was wishful thinking. And presentist +chauvinism of the worst sort. + + + +#: 193074 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 08:55:26 +Sb: #192907-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + +Yes, I saw the article on the lamentable textbooks. Late in +1991, before the Berlin Wall fell, the State of Texas +rejected a number of public-school history textbooks because +of errors of fact. + + +#: 193217 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 17:26:09 +Sb: #192275-Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +I tend to agree that IF crop circles are related to SDI then +it is PLAUSIBLE that they are "R & D artifacts" as you +state. I would also agree that they are not themselves the +signals and that the signals are carried on in a more +conventional manner. However it must be considered that the +circles may also serve as _camouflaged_evidence_ with their +nature known to all the "players." + +Although it causes hope to swell, it makes me nervous that +so much peace-making is going on all at once. What does it +mean? Will we see Northern Ireland laying down arms next? +Is the US playing "make peace or we shoot you"? Are we +simply witnessing some last-minute preparations for the end +of the millenium (a la the previous millenium-end)? I think +that Dennis Hopper's character was correct in Flashback when +he said that the "Nineties are going to make the Sixties +look like the Fifties" - only more so. + +Dennis + + +#: 193078 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 09:04:48 +Sb: #192905-Crop Circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + +Lee Atwater, dirt engineer. An OK guy, even though he worked +for causes I didn't like, until he got a brain tumor and +went touchy-feely. + + + +#: 193076 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 08:58:47 +Sb: #192992-#Crop circles +Fm: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Vallee is one of the more non-partisan researchers and +writers on the UFO phenomenon. The people who insist on a +nuts-n-bolts space-buggy explanation hate him; the people +who insist on purely psychological or metaphysical +interpretations hate him. He's conservative in the formation +of opinions. He'd like to reach conclusions by employing the +methodology of science. That bugs some people. + +There is 1 Reply. + + +#: 193093 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 09:56:44 +Sb: #193076-Crop circles +Fm: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 (X) + +>Vallee is one of the more non-partisan researchers and +writers on the UFO phenomenon. + + He's also one of the better qualified, as an +astrophysicist and computer expert who has been interested +in UFOs since 1960 and has spent much time, effort and money +going to primary sources for firsthand investigation. And +yes, he does bug some people. Not me, of course. (sniff) + + +#: 193084 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 09:37:24 +Sb: #192992-Crop circles +Fm: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +addendum: + +Bob: + + While waiting for a lady at *Soldier of Fortune* to call +me back with the info about the article on Bentwaters I've +been re-reading your previous messages. In #191778/191779 +you mentioned a recent episode of *Unexplained Mysteries* +about "sightings at a U.S. air base in southern England in +the very early '80's." I, too, saw and taped that episode; +it was about the Bentwaters incident but was pretty +superficial, based almost entirely on the published parts of +the tape recording made at the time by Col. Charles Halt. + + Terry + + +#: 193470 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:17:25 +Sb: #193217-#Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 + +Dennis, your message reflects the point of view I personally +hold. Even down to the IF and PLAUSIBLE. Though the crop +effects may be artifacts of testing, those artifacts are +also a very clear demonstration of the level of R & D. +placing them on public display as camouflaged evidence to +all the "players" would certainly be an invaluable function +as well. Your point is well taken. Whichever side of the +game the "players" are sitting, I don't doubt that +incredible displays of '90 and '91 is for some of them, +tantamount to ego death. + +I also see a pattern in the outburst of peace making. IF +I'm right about the cause of the crop events, we are seeing +exponential evolution in the technological context. Why +bother with a physical bomb in an airplane when you can +deliver it with a rocket? Why bother with a rocket when you +can make a bomb that delivers itself and is Smart? Why +bother with the delivery of a device of any kind if +technology permits eliminating all the "middle things." +Conceptually, its darkest side is that of the ultimate clean +bomb, surgically precise. The Dennis Hopper quote really is +apt, perhaps. I've used the term "Manhattan Project of the +21st Century." + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 193471 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:17:37 +Sb: #193470-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +For the sake of speculation, there sits an essentially +impoverished former knee-jerk foe. It cannot justify at +home what an "SDI" (henceforth read Earth Wars) competition +would entail. A quantum conceptual leap into the future has +been made. Nor is Russia any longer able or willing to +shore up any allies anywhere. Pulling their own weaponry +back into controllable clusters (as is being done, since the +lesson of the coup), we negotiate them under the umbrella of +SDI. They retain a strong regional capability, since given +the large Moslem poulation within their borders, and +strained relations with China, AND a rock/hard-place +economic situation, we become the perfect closet ally. + +So what's in it for Russia, and for us? And how does it +affect the Middle East so as to accelerate the inevitability +of regional accommodations? Russia needs collateral for an +international line of credit on which to base a convertable +ruble - the only basis for a realistically hopeful economic +future. We need energy independence, and a new, even if +covert, defense industry. Russia's collateral is its oil +reserves, and the Middle East knows it. Factor in Israel's +dependence on the U.S. for economic survival, and suddenly +accommodation is the only possible scenario. What we are +left with are newly defined Second and Third Worlds, +scurrying to realign into a viable "New Order," as Bush +unfortunately terms it. + +You put it very well. "...last minute preperations for the +end of the millenium." I sure wish I could see a story +board for the next one. + +Bob + + +#: 193447 S10/Paranormal Issues + 12-Nov-91 23:40:09 +Sb: #193023-Crop circles +Fm: anders heerfordt 100016,3142 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + +There is a tape recording available from the Rendelsham +Forest case. The recording was made (by the deputy base +commander?) during the incident. It is sort of a +journalistic record of the incident, with some emotion. + + +#: 193472 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:17:51 +Sb: #193023-Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + +Thanks for the compliment, Terry, but the depth of my +research is relative. All I'm really doing is gathering +together the pieces of a puzzle which fit into the pattern +and refuse to be dislodged. As for the WGA, no movie is +planned. This one's a freebee. We are the movie, right +here at our keyboards. The circles themselves are strictly +documentary material, being done by people closer to the +scene, and with more intimate knowledge of the affected +place. The quickest way to abort an attempt to place an +important and hitherto invisible (for psychological reasons, +I think) scenario on the discussion menu would be to attempt +to fictionalize it. + +Given the level of Security under which this must be +happening, if it's happening, to dramatize this scenario +would be to neuter it. It took a person on the moon to get +space flight off the occult book shelves and into +universally respectable conversation. What it will take +here is a simply structured scenario that will stand up by +itself, walk, and take on a life of its own. I suppose that +professional writers get more practice at that than most +people. Fictioneering is a lot easier than this, though. + +I'll respond to the Bentwaters information in my response to +your message about the UFO show you taped. Therein resides +a maze. + +Bob + + +#: 193474 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:18:16 +Sb: #193076-Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +I noted with a smile your characterization of Vallee, and +Terry Ecker's response. This guy wouldn't bug me at all. He +sounds like he understands what it takes to "get any +respect" from academic orthodoxy. Invoking metaphysical +terms is professional suicide. With metaphysicians whose +rules of evidence are different, the fusion is a real +tightrope, and probably inadequate to satisfy both. I wish +him well. + +I come from a clearly defined place, and have fought those +wars myself. I see no distinction between metaphysical +events and natural history. If it's happening, it's +happening. If the rules of evidence get in the way of +investigating it, change them. Or, at least suspend +disbelief before refuting them. I think many people hold +positions out of subjective need. Many academicians are +terrified of rethinking the fundamentals, because of the +threat to what they believe is their unimpeachable, +axiomatic data base. That is pretty scary. On the other +hand, weird stuff happens, and if it contradicts what we +think is true, I say that's the way it goes. The fact +always remains that the fact remains. If it can't be +explained, that won't make it go away, even if it does +contradict the fundamentals. + +I wish Vallee and some heavy hitting closet Vallees' I know +of luck. His greatest hazard is the burnout of frustration. +He's working in areas of academia in which the more one +thinks one Knows, the harder it is to cognize or even +tolerate anything which threatens it. I like to believe +that no True Faith has anything to fear from the truth. A +bit of vocabulary adjustment, maybe... but that's not so +bad. + +Bob + +#: 193473 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:18:02 +Sb: #193084-Crop circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + +Thanks for the information about prior narratives of the +Bentwater incident. It isn't the one my UK pen pal was +talking about - but is certainly the same one as the subject +of the "Unexplained Mysteries" segment I referred to. It +was interesting to learn from you that the report does have +a prior history. I too taped the segment, and replayed it +before writing this. + +Whatever the true nature of the original event, whether an +actual UFO event or one staged to cover the early crop +events from the beginning, there were aspects to the program +which marked it for me as opportuning on the UFO alternative +to add to the chaos of covers. I don't recall ever seeing +an "expose" of a military sighting and cover up in which +active duty personnel or even people on active duty at the +time were allowed to speak on the TV record in so direct a +fashion. From the feel and look of the piece, all my +professional instincts tell me it was put together with the +participation of the military. This implies redirection and +disinformation. + +It would be a shame if a bona fide UFO event were a casualty +of this surrealism unfolding around us. + +I will look up those sources you cited before I go out on a +limb and say that it was also staged for the benefit of out- +of-the-loop military personnel as well, in the interests of +keeping an ongoing disinformational opportunity alive. As a +UFO believer, it pains me have to play devil's advocate with +them. + +Bob + + + +#: 193469 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 01:17:13 +Sb: Crop circles (errata) +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrekston 70312,3576 + +Hello, Erik. For credibility's sake, I'd like to correct an +error I made about an illustration in the Centre for Crop +Circle Studies (CCCS) book. In a prior, when discussing the +20/20 coverage this past year, I mentioned that on the +program they showed footage of some military personnel +attepting to fake one. I also said that I'd seen the same +one in the CCCS book, "The Crop Circle Enigma," 1990 +edition. I was wrong. I just got the book back from a +friend to whom I'd loaned it, and memory had played a trick. +I saw the picture all right, but elsewhere. + +I gave the impression that the CCCS book had been fooled, +and this wasn't the case. I was being a sloppy "reporter." +The book is now in a 2nd edition, and I recommend it highly +as a source of excellent photographs for stufy, and the +presentation of a variety of widely differing theories. + +Maybe If I sell a few copies here for the CCCS, they'll +forgive me. + +Bob + + +#: 193554 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 08:29:55 +Sb: #193471-#Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Can the Defense Industry justify its activities without a +clearly-defined enemy? The Soviet Union provided just the +right amount of paranoia. Can the (apparently newly- +peaceful or subdued) Middle East? Or the sleepy Chinese? +How long will the public go along with "we have to be ready +- just in case (someone _becomes_ an enemy)"? + +So are you saying that Russia needs us to buy oil from them +and the Middle East needs us to continue and we are playing +one supplier against the other? Hmmm, it might be nice to +live in a buyer's market for a change. So the "New World +Order" puts us back on top with all the muscle (both as a +military power and a power consumer). What leverage will we +use to subdue Germany and Japan? Interesting that we have +come (somewhat) full circle. + +"...last minute preparations..." - You realize that my +statement sarcastically assumed that the "players" are +fearful that they had better get their houses in order so as +to be ready for Judgement Day. Else years ending in three +zeros have no special significance. Gonna be a heck of a New +Year|Century|Millenium party on 12/31/2000, though (not to +mention the Oops I Thought it Was on 12/31/1999 party). + +Until we (and George) start acting locally, though, not much +progress will be made. Peace begins at home. While we +continue to beat our children, rape our women, subdue our +poor (educationally and economically), starve our hungry, +drug ourselves, destroy our environment, ... abstract ideas +like world peace have little meaning. + +Dennis + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 193757 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 16:45:50 +Sb: #193554-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 + +Dennis, + +-> While we continue to [have no peace at home] world peace +[has] little meaning + +Right on! We should all ask ourselves why the latter seems +more important than the former for the New World Order. +Maybe cause the domestic situation has been taken care of? + +Malcolm + + +#: 193592 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 09:42:02 +Sb: Crop Circles +Fm: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +>>What the crop formations secondarily happen to also do is +furnish an ongoing demonstration of the level of R & D.<< + +Bob, I apologize for not being more clear in my comments. +It was not my intent to attribute to you or anyone else a +suggestion that the circles themselves contained any +particular message. I meant to convey my skepticism that any +other country would recognize them as artifacts of SDI +testing. Are you suggesting that the Soviet intelligence +community is aware of the "true" nature of crop circles? +"Geopolitical sidebars" (nice ring to that phrase!) +notwithstanding, nothing I've seen on this thread reinforces +that notion. + +>> I believe Intelligence exchanges and closed door "FYI +briefings" communicated much more directly what was taking +place, all quite thoroughly modulated by the geopolitical +weather, starting quite some time ago.<< Without wanting +to sound too demanding, what evidence do you have for this +rather remarkable statement? + +>>Why bother with a physical bomb in an airplane when you +can deliver it with a rocket?<< Once again, even assuming +the crop circles are SDI related, this thread has produced +no evidence that "the force" is any more dangerous than a +large dust devil. Why the sudden conclusion that it has +destructive powers which, so far as I know, have yet to be +demonstrated? + + + +#: 193568 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 09:15:34 +Sb: #192993-#Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, + +I'm just waiting for them to duplicate TV test patterns and +for some expert to come along and tell me it's the wind. + +Malcolm + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 193641 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 12:16:55 +Sb: #193568-Crop Circles +Fm: Russ Ranshaw 70000,1010 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + +Malcolm, + + > "... it's the wind." + +Well, as the adage goes, "It takes one to know one." :) + +-Russ + + +#: 193981 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 21:39:02 +Sb: #193568-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 + +Malcolm, + +I think if they made a five acre duplicate of da Vinci's +self-portrait some expert would come along and tell us it's +the wind. + +Bob + + +#: 193982 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 21:39:20 +Sb: #193554-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 + +Dennis, permit me a 200 decibel AMEN to your comment about +the need to get our local house together as the first order +of priority. No qualifiers. + +Sadly, the genesis of Bush's mindset, not to mention the +story of his life, seems to have left him with no such +perspective, except when the polls tell him he needs to +produce new lips to read. I don't mean to politicize this, +because then political agenda tends to become the subject, +occluding our ability to isolate the subject of the thread. + +We probably are playing the oil marketplace, with Russia not +only a major supplier to us, but as an alternative for the +much of the rest of the industrialized world. Its mapped +and known reserves are as great or greater than those of the +Middle East. Only development has been lacking. The fact of +the existence of the reserves, however, is in itself enough +collateral for the international line of credit I mentioned. +The third competitor then becomes China. Russia's and +China's reserves combined exceed those of the rest of the +world together. With Russia free of the expense of the arms +race, her economic future is actually quite positive. +Maintaining an "enemy" of some sort is indeed needed for +full-bore funding of DoD. We seem to be keeping China in a +very gray area since TienAnMen. Could it be that that the +democratization of China was the last thing we wanted to +see? We've been very forgiving. And, not terribly hospitable +to the Chinese students who escaped, who are still having +problems with the INS. German unification (not a +universally happy prospect) has distracted them for the time +being. They're hanging out to dry at the moment. Stay +tuned. + +I took your "millenium" line in the spirit intended. You +were right about New Years Eve. I think the millenium ends +when 2001 arrives. That's why they called the movie that... +-Bob- + +Japan might have a program of its own. Being totally energy +dependent from outside, embroiled in rising tensions over a +variety of economic with the US, facing a possible trade war +which they can afford more easily than we can (but not for +long). + + +#: 193983 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 21:39:43 +Sb: #193592-#Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Erik Albrektson 70312,3576 + +Erik, thanks for the compliment on the ring of my phrase. +You clearly understand how to soften up a writer. But alas, +no mercy. + +I don't understand your skepticism that other countries +wouldn't recognize the crop events as (possible) "SDI" +testing. If some here can, why not the analysts of other +countries. Just because this is the only conversation I +know of being publicly held on the subject, I wouldn't +presume who knows what, how they found out, whether they +were informed, or why. Nor would I cling to the KGB as the +enemy archetype. They have their own problems, and it isn't +us. Do you have any idea how many L.A. writers are going on +Prozak because they have to rewrite scripts with different +enemies? It's become an industry joke, not to mention a +sensitive area in our standard contract viz-viz what +constitutes a legitimate re-write. (Woops. I'm not +supposed to talk about that. Classified.) How's Prozak +selling in the UK these days, by the way...? + +You aren't being too demanding about evidence for closed +door "FYI briefings." If I had it, I'd be Gary Sick with an +"October Surprise" book, being interviewed on CNN, or +Nightline, for evidence of this "rather remarkable +statement." If I were in a position to have such evidence, +other than what my own logical processes dictate, based on +direct perception as an outsider, I sure wouldn't be +documenting it here, unless they allow modems in the +slammer. (Do they still call it "gaol" in the UK, Erik?) + +"The Force" in the following. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 193984 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 21:39:57 +Sb: #193983-#Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +Your right that this thread has produced no evidence that +"the force" is any more dangerous than a large dust devil. +No conclusion was stated or implied anywhere in the thread +by me, at least, to the contrary. + +Development of an atomic bomb was preceded by an experiment +at the University of Chicago in which a primitive reactor +verified the underlying principles. But once that feeble +demonstration was made, the fact of the bomb was presumed as +simply a matter of time, the desired effect being one of +degree, not possibility. + +The landing of Surveyor on the moon made Apollo 11 a matter +of time. Actually the hard part was accomplished by Apollo +8. Few realize how tiny the re-entry window of the return +trip was. Once conquered, that particular "hope this +works..." was behind us. All that follows will have been a +matter of time referenced to that accomplishment. + +When the first laser was generated and recognize almost +thirty years ago, sheet metal cutting, holography, +programmable CD's, scanners, my beloved printer, all these +became inevitabilities. It was presumed that something new +(to put it mildly) was about to occur, but what those things +might be were inconceivable until the fact of the +microprocessor became a reality. + +Nobody is saying that these experiments yet have the +destructive powers you say I claimed. As you say, they have +yet to be demonstrated. What has been demonstrated to my +satisfaction, at least, is that given the lessons of +history, it's only a matter of time, and Apollo 8 is now +behind us. I will be quite pleased if we are forever spared +that demonstration. + + +[More] + + +There is 1 Reply. + +#: 193985 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 21:40:12 +Sb: #193984-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +[Continued] + +Erik, my apologies for yet another addendum, but our +exchange demonstrates something I think is important. Think +of this thread as the scrutiny of a newly identified +archaeological artifact. We are archaeologists now. We +have noticed something so full of natural anomalies that we +must pursue the possibility of intelligent manufacture. The +scientific method demands that we begin with the most +conceivable explanation, based on knowns. Once those are +exhausted, we relax the rules of evidence a bit and proceed, +kicking around the unkowns. + +What we don't do is ask "why would they make something like +that...?" and all the other questions that are irrelevant +until the fact of the artifact's existence is conceded. +Unless the artifact "beams off screen," I don't have to deal +with "evidence" for anything but its existence. Not the +credibility of closed door "FYI briefings," which on this +side of the pond doesn't seem remarkable at all; not the +potential for undemonstrated powers. Nada. Zip. + +I'm pointing at something, saying "what the hell's that?," +offering a scenario consistent with the Known, hoping I'm +wrong. E.T.s and/or telluric energy patterns would be much +more exciting and less threatening, except to professional +debunkers of the paranormal, whose agendas vary. + +Does your attribution to me of sudden conclusions I haven't +made, or "demands" for evidence of "FYI briefings" I am only +suggesting, imply that you are struggling to believe or +disbelieve our "theory?" This isn't yet clear to me. If it +were, perhaps I could address your questions better. Either +way is okay. I'll hang in there. Maybe I'm asking you to +ask yourself the question. + +Bob + + + +#: 194053 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 03:14:42 +Sb: #192904-Crop Circles +Fm: Terry Rodemerk 76357,405 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 + + + Hi Malcolm, + + >I don't even get any of the Buffalo stations. + + Sorry,I keep forgetting that you live north of the +border, Toronto I believe. + + Yes, the US political machine uses the media quite +heavily to lobby the people for one thing or another. I'm +sure that you get the same type of thing in Canada. The SDI +commercials were a beauty. They used the voices of a little +boy or girl (depending on the commercial) talking about how +mommy and daddy (picture of a crayon drawing done like a +child would of mommy and daddy and little boy/girl standing +outside their house) were worried that the Russians could +launch a nuclear strike at the US (crayon picture of bombs +falling through sky above house) and that there was nothing +that they could do to stop it. The little voice continues +that Pres. Reagan wants to put an shield, like an umbrella, +over their heads (crayon drawing of a rainbow between the +bombs and the house and mommy and daddy and little boy/girl) +to protect them. Little voice then asks,"Isn't this a good +idea!". Cut to address of local Congressman/woman to write +to. Tell them to support SDI bill. + + Hey, this kind of stuff works for the toy companies. I +guess that the government figured what the heck, give it a +try. SDI still gets major funding so I guess it worked. + + BTW, even the people living in Buffalo don't always "get" +the Buffalo stations. Boy am I going to catch it for saying +that . + + Terry + + +#: 194000 S10/Paranormal Issues + 13-Nov-91 23:17:42 +Sb: #193641-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Russ Ranshaw 70000,1010 + +Russ, + +ALIEN BREAKS WIND; BREAKS CROPS! :D + +Malcolm + + +#: 194116 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 07:05:40 +Sb: #193982-Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Yeah, Bush's having come from CIA certainly would give him a +more international outlook. + +Japan learned much from us in order to get where they are +now. I'm afraid that in the process they couldn't help but +get contaminated by our faults as well. The signs are +beginning to show. + +Dennis + + +#: 194183 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 09:52:20 +Sb: #193983-Crop Circles +Fm: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob: + +>Do you have any idea how many L.A. writers are going on +Prozak because they have to rewrite scripts with different +enemies? + + Are you familiar with Zecharia Sitchin's *Genesis +Revisted*? If so I would be very interested in your opinion +of his hypothesis. If not, I think you might find the book, +especially the last chapter, very pertinent to your interest +in SDI and the surprisingly fast and smooth realignment of +world powers we've been watching. He does at least +hypothesize an explanation of it all, with a hypothesis that +accounts for the known facts even if it turns out to be +horse feathers. And he does hypothesize a new enemy - +actually an ancient enemy returning: the Nefilim of the Old +Testament, headed our way once more aboard the planet +Marduk, this time to be greeted by SDI. + + Terry + + + +#: 194353 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 16:52:25 +Sb: #193981-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 + +Bob, + +I think you're right. Gee, I guess it _must_ be the wind, +eh? ;) + +Malcolm + + + +#: 194116 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 07:05:40 +Sb: #193982-Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Yeah, Bush's having come from CIA certainly would give him a +more international outlook. + +Japan learned much from us in order to get where they are +now. I'm afraid that in the process they couldn't help but +get contaminated by our faults as well. The signs are +beginning to show. + +Dennis + + + +#: 194353 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 16:52:25 +Sb: #193981-Crop Circles +Fm: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 +To: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 (X) + +Bob, + +I think you're right. Gee, I guess it _must_ be the wind, +eh? ;) + +Malcolm + + + +#: 194518 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 21:55:52 +Sb: #193073-Crop Circles +Fm: Tom Genereaux 76703,4265 +To: michael houdeshell 70004,1044 + +It's unfortunate, but the current "thinking" tries to impute +modern Western thinking on a distant culture. Doesn't work. + Tom G. + + +#: 194117 S10/Paranormal Issues + 14-Nov-91 07:05:50 +Sb: #193757-Crop Circles +Fm: Dennis Williamson 73260,350 +To: Malcolm O'Brien 76703,4243 (X) + +How has the domestic situation been "taken care of"? I +assume you meant it sarcastically, but can you be more +specific? + +Dennis + + + + + +#: 194603 S10/Paranormal Issues + 15-Nov-91 05:57:03 +Sb: #194183-Crop Circles +Fm: Robert Sabaroff 71251,2445 +To: Terry Ecker 71207,1165 + +Terry, thanks for the referral to *Genesis Revisited.* It +sounds like a good one for the collection. Your precis was +tantalizing. It would be a wonderful irony if after +spending all that money on an SDI that only points down, it +*did* get blindsided by the Nefilim on board the planet +Marduk. + +I love it. + +Bob + + + (STAY TUNED...) + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1210.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1210.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9fba8fcc --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1210.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +SUBJECT: A WEE BIT ON CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1210 + + + + 5/20/90 + By Bryon Smith + + Strange Things are Afoot at the "Circle (R)" + O*****[============- -============]*****O + + One thing that I know for sure is that "you never can be to + sure" what is going on and what the truth really is about + certain things. + + Just a few days ago my little sister called me on the phone + and said "I am returning your call." I set there for a moment + and said "what ?" She said that I had called her that morning + just before 8am and that she had just gotten the message and was + returning my call. Quickly I questioned myself and recounted + all of my actions that morning up to that very moment and I said + "I haven't called anyone this morning, in fact I have only been + on the phone once this morning and that was to answer a call + from the wife, and this is the second time on the phone this + morning." + + Gina didn't think long about what I had said before she + came back with a "well it sure sounds like you on the recording + and it gave this same number." + + Well it was my number all right. She played the tape for + me and I took a recording of it. Sure enough it was my voice, + and I had even give the time of the call and my voice phone + number both of which were correct. It was just as if I had made + the call, only one small catch, I had not made that call. + + Her answering machine is computerize and counts the number + of calls that come into her office and it had counted that + message as a new call. + + That morning she came into the office before 8am and had + 3 messages on the first part of the tape. She listened to them + and then reset the tape as she always does every morning. The + machine always records right over the top of the last messages + unless you tell it to save the message. She left the office for + a little bit and came back and checked and the machine said + there were two new messages and she played them back. There was + my voice as big as life, it gave the time and made mention of + our elder sister who is deceased as if she were still alive. + This made me think it was an old message, but the tape had been + recorded over, it had run several other messages over the top of + any old messages that might have been at the start of the tape. + If that had been an old message it would have been from last + December and that would have made it at least 4 months old. The + next thing is that the computer counts all of the calls that + come in since the last time they were reviewed and it said there + was two new calls which counted "my" message as a new call. + + The next message after "mine" was from her husband and + after it the machine gave the date and time of the call. We + noticed that after my message it had not given the date and time + after the call but it was my voice that had given the time of + the call. This was unusual to say the least. It had counted it + as a call, yet had not posted the time and date after the call. + It played it and counted it as a call so why didn't it put the + time and date after it as it normally does ? Right after that + was her husband and it counted the time and date as normal. + + How could an old message come through an old tape as if it + were a new message ? How could the computer count it as a new + call and not put the time and date after the call ? The time + was right on the money and was given by "my voice." Had I + actually made the call the machine would have placed the time + and date after the call and there would have been little doubt + that I had made the call myself and just "forgotten about it" or + perhaps was lying and saying that I had not made the call when + in fact I had. The oddity itself indicates that something out + of the normal had taken place though and gave certain evidence + to prove that I was telling the truth and I had not made that + call. + + The fact that her husband had called right after my "call" + had proven very close to the fact when the call had been + recorded and it was right in the correct time slot. + + I told her of a UFO crash that had not been to many days + ago at which certain people had gathered to talk about the + event. Certain other people were seen and some even talked to + others there and later when they were contacted by these people + about the crash they knew nothing about it. They said they had + not been there at all and could prove it. So how is it these + other people swear that they saw and even talked with certain of + these other people if they were not there ? And what about the + UFO crash ? Did the thing just up and vanish without a trace + and with no other "media" reports ? Was it as if it had never + actually happened ? If so then what did happen ? + + So strange things are afoot at the "Circle (R)" and if you + see or hear from someone who later says they were not there or + had not tried to contact you, and don't know what you are + talking about don't be surprised. + + ...Bryon + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1211.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1211.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1fa1fae0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1211.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +SUBJECT: CIRCLES OF CONFUSION FILE: UFO1211 + + + + CIRCLES OF CONFUSION + + THIS ARTICLE ABOUT ENGLAND CROPS WAS TAKEN FROM + THE DETROIT NEWS ON OCTOBER 2, 1989 + By Timothy Harper + + ROUND AND ROUND THEY GO + NEW CROP OF ODDITIES HAS BRITISH GOING IN CIRCLES. + + A rare set of concentric rings lies quietly awaiting the answer + of why - and how - English crops are being sculpted. Some of the + circular depressions measure up to 100 feet in diameter, and they + have been cropping up in southern England since 1976. + + LONDON - Behind the hedgerows and stone fences of rural Britain + lurks the Mystery of the Field Circles. + + The puzzle over the circles - large round areas where maturing + crops have been partly flattened and entangled - is something of a + modern-day Stonehenge riddle for the millions of Britons who have + been reading about them all summer. + + Amid local media reports of newly appeared circles, many + Britons have taken to making Sunday drives in the country to see the + mystery for themselves. Even the international press has become + interested. + + Pat Delgado, a retired British electrical engineer who has + written a book about the circles, said they can be up to 100 feet in + diameter. He has reports of circles being noted as early as the + early 1950s, but said the number has increased dramatically this + decade. + + "Last year there were 98 altogether," he said. "This year there + have been 240." + + The circles, which appear overnight and are sometimes in + clusters, have been found in fields of oats, barley, corn, wheat, + rye, beans, spinach and other crops. Typically, the plants are all + bent in the same direction, sometimes with their stems, branches and + leaves interwoven in intricate symmetry. + + "These crops are not damaged in any way," Delgado said. + "They are laid down and continue to grow and ripen in a horizontal + field." + + Delgado said that for years the circles seemed to be confined + largely to fields on three counties in southern England, including + Wiltshire, the home of the Stonehenge standing rocks that some + theories connect with ancient visitors form outer space. + + This summer, however, the circles have appeared in many more + counties throughout England. + + Delgado said he doesn't subscribe to any "little green men" + theories, but he doesn't have any better ideas, either. + + "I'm as mystified as when I started investigating nine years + ago," he said. "The only progress we've made is by elimination. We + have eliminated whirlwinds and hoaxes. We have eliminated crop over- + fertilization and the wind vortices theory and animal intervention." + + One farmer, Geoff Cooper, called a nearby British military base + to complain after finding circles in his fields this summer. + + "We thought their helicopters were doing it on exercises," he + said. "But they sent an expert round and he said a helicopter could + only make that shape if it was flying upside down and stationary." + + Cooper said one neighbor believes the circles are caused by + hedgehogs rolling over and over in the fields, but he calculated + that it would take 40,000 of them to make the circles in his field + in one night. + + Some newspapers during the summer reported that the British + Ministry of Defense was investigation the circles, but the ministry + denies it. + + Delgado, who worked for the British Weapons Research + Establishment and NASA on missile-tracking systems before retiring, + wrote his book, `Circular Evidence', with Colin Andrews, another + electrical engineer. + + They got involved when a fellow engineer asked them to look at + some circles found in a field near his home. Delgado bristle at the + suggestion that he might be regarded as a crackpot for spending time + investigating the circles. The fact remains, he says, that the + circles exist, and no one has explained them. + + -------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Additional information obtained from + the January 31st, 1990 airing of Unsolved Mysteries + + Of particular interest are two points, the first involves the + focus of the circles in a general triangle around Stonehenge with + a majority of the others being proximal to other menhirs or + megalithic structures. + + The second is by far the most interesting especially when + considered in conjunction with our DNAMAST file. It showed a view + of the base a wheat stalk which was bent as if the stalk had been + melted in one area, folded over and allowed to cool. DNA, a complex + molecular structure present in all tissues, can be "melted" in a + process known as "denaturation". This causes the hydrogen bonds + which hold the "stair steps" to the "rails" of a double helix. + + When the bonds are disturbed, usually by heating at temperatures + beginning at about 70 degrees Centigrade, the rails break up. If + the structure is allowed to cool before complete separation of the + rails is achieved, in many instances the stair steps will re-form + in the identical pattern as before. + + Bearing this is mind, we can see that some form of energy was + produced in the immediate vicinity of the wheat stalks which would + bring about an energetic state similar to that produced by heating. + + This could possible have been an anti-gravity force which we + of Vangard believe can be beneficially used on living organisms as + witnessed by the many UFO contact reports where the craft occupants + indicate they are of extreme age (1000 + years) yet look in the + early 20's or 30's. When asked how this is achieved, the reply + indicates that the aging process is suspended or greatly retarded + when the under the impress of the ship's anti-gravity field. + + However, should the occupant of the craft remain away from the + ship field too long, the aging process would resume, yet could be + again halted if once again brought within the field of the ship. + + See the Plenum newsletter for articles on the rejuvenation + process from a Vangard Sciences point of view. There appears to be + a relationship between counter-clockwise spin, cold, north pole + energy and specific wave patterns. More on this later. + + contributed by Jerry W. Decker + February 4th, 1990 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1212.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1212.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f3262e7c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1212.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,505 @@ +SUBJECT: The SWAMP GAS JOURNAL FILE: UFO1212 + +Volume 6 +Number 1 (last issue was Volume 5, Number 3) +ISSN 0707-7106 +January 1992 + + The Continuing Circle Saga + + By now, it is likely that everyone knows about the +Bower/Chorley hoax admission. When the story first broke, it was +carried extensively by the media, and it seemed that cerealogy +was doomed. TV and newspapers here in Canada boldly proclaimed +that "all" the circles in England were explained as the work of +BC. Suddenly, all media interest in any fortean phenomena was +extinguished; for the most part, this condition still persists +today. + Of course, things are not as cut-and-dry as they might seem. +As an objectivist, I was immediately suspicious of the BC +claims. "Skeptics" such as CSICOP members were delighted at the +admissions and didn't bother to consider any problems with the +explanation. But it should have been intuitive that there was +something wrong with the claims. A "complete" explanation is +usually never encountered in science, and there are always +loopholes or flaws in the design of "immutable" laws. + The first problem with the BC story is that the two men +could not have made all of the British circles and agriglyphs. +In addition, there would be no way for them to have made the +circles in other parts of the world. This problem with the claim +is easily circumvented by noting that BC are only two of the army +of hoaxers who might have been at work. This might also +explain why characteristics of circles vary somewhat between +sites. + The next question to be addressed is whether or not BC +really made the circles at all. This problem is not trivial, and +it seems that it has not been fully resolved. When the media +first covered the story, BC had been filmed before, during and +after the creation of an agriglyph. Terence Meaden, Colin +Andrews and Pat Delgado were each shown to make pronouncements of +authenticity at some circle sites, though later explained that +they had been pressured for a quick response by the media at the +time. But nearly everyone who viewed the single agriglyph made +by BC in front of the cameras agreed that the site was sloppy +and "suspicious". + Although the numbers of circles claimed made by BC started +out at 1000 or more, the figure has been pared down to a more +reasonable 100 or 200. Even this figure seems a bit high, but +might be possible, if we allow BC to have a lot of energy and +several years to work on their technique. On (the National +Geographic's) Explorer TV show in November, other hoaxers were +shown to take considerable planning in order to produce a complex +in complete darkness before the cameras (not done by BC). Even +so, they were seen by a chance witness, and when a cerealogist +was called in for his opinion, it was dubbed a hoax without much +delay. + The source of the story is a bit of a problem as well. The +tabloid which initially broke the hoax story had earlier ran +a story that suggested ancient Sumerians were communicating with +humans through the circles. Investigation by cerealogists +found that the story had been generated through a "public +relations" firm called Maiden Bridge Farm. MBF was operated by a +husband and wife who had an unlisted telephone number (a bit odd +for a PR firm) and which was disconnected shortly after they +were located by the cerealogists. It seems that MBF paid some +money to BC to come forward with their claims, contacted the +tabloid to get a reporter's interest, then backed out of the +picture. This immediately aroused the interest of conspiracy +theorists, who suggested that the MoD or a subversive group had +deliberately set cerealogists up for a fall. Although a +plausible scenario, there is of course no hard evidence for the +theory. + The most frustrating thing about the whole affair is that it +should be very easy to settle the arguments about BC's +involvement. It would appear to be a simple task: get BC to give +accurate descriptions of all the sites for which they were +responsible, including dates, locations, type of crop, etc. As +far as I have been able to determine through reading the latest +cerealogy journals and letters from my British colleagues, this +has not been done. The closest that has been accomplished is a +series of verbal, heated debates between BC and agitated +cerealogists in the media. + However, the damage has been done. Cerealogists have been +"burned" by some hoaxers, and the media have been warned away +from the phenomenon. But what will the future bring? + + + The Canadian Connection + + In mid-summer of 1991, Gordon Kijek and the Alberta UFO +Study Group (AUFOSG) were prepared for an upcoming season of UFO +investigations. Earlier in the year, Gord had asked me to assist +in the formation of the group, and I had sent him some +information about ufology groups and their operation. In August, +Gord called me to tell me that a circle formation had been +discovered near Lethbridge. He was unsure of how to investigate +the site, but I gave a few of my ideas and wished him luck. +Gord has seemed to be an able researcher, and I was confident +that he would have the matter under control. Soon, he called me +about his findings and the news that other sites had been found. +The deluge had started. + Less than ten sites were reported in Alberta. One was a +remarkable agriglyph (the first of such in North America) which +received considerable media attention. Others were single +circles, quadruplets, and triplets. One site near Okotoks was +judged immediately suspicious by AUFOSG because it appeared that +the centers of the circles had been disturbed; a speculated +method of producing fake circles involves using a stake at the +center of an inscribed circle using a chain to mark the +circumference. + It is interesting to note that in 1990, there were circles +reported throughout Western Canada, except in Alberta. But +in 1991, the only province with circles was Alberta. None of the +Canadian circles during the previous years had any associated +effects, though in 1991, the Alberta circles were said to cause +headaches, equipment malfunctions and give rise too "eerie" +sensations and noises. These effects parallel those reported in +England by some cerealogists, and it was curious that they +would be found one year and not the next. More curious was the +fact that Gord Kijek is prone to migraines, and he experienced +no problems when inside the circles. He also called me on his +cellular phone from inside a circle, with no malfunctioning! + Do such effects really occur? Michael Strainic, reporting +on the investigations of Chad Deetken on his trip to Alberta, +wrote an excellent article for the MUFON Journal which detailed +Deetken's findings. Deetken has a different research +perspective than that of AUFOSG, including his investigation +style. For example, in 1990, Deetken visited some circle sites +in Saskatchewan; during his time there, he decided to camp +overnight in a circle. In the middle of the night, Deetken +reported a "feeling of terror" which overcame him, and he bolted +from the site. He had earlier documented how the area was +permeated with some sort of "energy". Not surprisingly, when he +decided to sleep overnight in one of the 1991 Alberta circles, he +experienced "tension" and "dizziness" during the night, as did +his companions. + Although suggesting that "paranormal effects" were +associated with the Alberta circles, Strainic also noted that +such effects were not often found. Indeed, compass needles were +said to operate normally, as did recording equipment and cameras +taken to sites. Strainic noted that anecdotal reports of animal +effects at circles were common, according to Deetken. But this +was not the case in Manitoba, and such reports were not made to +AUFOSG in the Alberta cases. + One interesting series of effects involved microwave ovens +which were said to have malfunctioned, including one which +was said to have turned itself on. AUFOSG members as well as +Deetken all checked into these reports, though there was +admittedly no confirming evidence of these events. + So, what happened in Alberta? There exist two disparate +investigation records of the circle sites. AUFOSG found +virtually no evidence of "paranormal effects", physiological +effects or equipment malfunctions at sites, but Deetken did. It +is likely that each investigator's inherent biases played +significant roles in the interpretation of data. Michael +Strainic's fascinating report is of great use to other +researchers in the analyses of crop circle data, because it +parallels the British experience. In this way, we can better +understand the British situation, and how cerealogy may be +operating in that country. + + + + Radioactivity? + + Recently, it has been claimed that several crop circles are +radioactive. Specifically, it has been reported that soil +samples taken from two British circles and some from recent +American sites have significantly-higher levels of radioactivity +than control samples from the same areas. Further, this +radioactivity has been traced to higher-than-normal levels of +activity caused by certain rare, radioactive elements such as +Europium, Ytterbium and Rhodium. If true, than this certainly +speaks for the creation of crop circles by aliens and utterly +invalidates any other theory, including hoaxing. + The claims are made by Michael Chorost and Marshall Dudley +in a MUFON paper. Advance notice of their claims is already +in circulation, and many people are very excited about their +findings. Mike sent me a copy of a draft and called me to +discuss the writeup, in case I had some comments. As I read the +paper, I had some of my own reservations, but I decided to take +the paper to show two friends who are physicists at the +University of Manitoba. They were less than impressed, to say +the least. However, I persisted (read: I annoyed them) until they +described exactly what they were doubtful about. + My own reservations concerned the sampling techniques and +the small amount of data upon which to base a claim. Also, I +was worried that there had not been any testable theory posed in +advance of finding the data. The Manitoba physicists found +more problems in the physical attributes. Very rare radioactive +elements had been discovered through a comparison of peaks on a +readout of an energy spectrum produced by an analysis of the soil +samples. Such peaks were not present in the control sample +readouts. Because of the difficulty in producing these +artificial elements, Chorost and Dudley devote much of their +paper to ways in which deuteron (an energetic particle) +bombardment of the soil could create the rare elements. In the +end, they concluded that this deuteron bombardment was +responsible for the presence of the radioactivity, and that such +a beam may have also have been related to the formation of the +circles themselves, though how and why is unknown. They actually +don't say that a UFO was responsible, although this could be read +into their report. + However, the finding of these elements is not only strange, +it is downright impossible (uh-oh, I'm sounding like Donald +Menzel). The reason is that if a deuteron bombardment did occur, +then many other elements would have been found as well. For +example, even weak activation of soil by deuterons (or protons, +for that matter) will create Cobalt-56 out of Iron-56. Since +there is a lot more Iron in soil than Ytterbium, the radioactive +Cobalt would be definitely found. Since it wasn't, deuteron +bombardment probably did not occur. An analogy is this: suppose +you went into a someone's room and found a few gold-coloured +coins on the floor. You could see them as evidence that the +room's occupant was a bank robber, because of the "loot" +scattered about. But if this were true, where would all the +other types of money be, like dollar bills and bonds? And what +if the coins turned out to be wrapped chocolate? + Dudley and Chorost do caution that more intensive research +and more thorough surveys of fields are required for +comparative data. It may be that the distribution of elements in +the soil just happens to be high in that particular area. +Another source of possible error is in the interpretation of the +energy peaks and the checking of an energy table. In fact, +using the standard energy table, we found several other elements +that should have been created in the deuteron bombardment, but +were not mentioned. + Greg Kennedy, a circle researcher from Quebec, found the +claims of radionuclides in crop circle samples to be +unsupported by the data. If radiation was found, he noted, it +certainly did not come from the "deuteron beam" suggested by the +American cerealogists. It's possible that some sort of exotic +combination of elements were somehow in the soil samples, but it +was just as possible that the samples were contaminated in some +way. Greg tested samples of the Alberta circles given to him by +Mike Strainic from Chad Deetken. No anomalies were found. He +also has been looking at samples from other Alberta circles which +originated from Gord Kijek. Now, if there are no radionuclides +in the Alberta samples, it does not necessarily negate the +American results (of the British cases). It could mean: a) the +Alberta circles are fakes; b) the British circles were hoaxes; +c) a different "beam" created the Alberta circles; d) the testing +was inconsistent; or e) somebody screwed up. But who? I +think the only way to resolve this is to get several independent +labs (and I wouldn't hesitate to get Phil Klass involved here) +to test the same samples for comparative analyses. Along with +this would be a standardization of experimental cerealogy. And +there are a number of procedures that would probably satisfy most +skeptics. + What I suggested to Mike was the following experiment. +First, postulate that a deuteron (or proton) bombardment will +cause some observed effects. Take samples from inside and +outside a circle site. Test them on the same instrument. Record +your results. Next, send the same samples to a different lab +without passing on your data or findings. While the second lab +is analyzing the samples, recalibrate your instrument. Obtain a +new set of samples, with a different control sample, and analyze +this new set using the same procedure. Have the other lab repeat +its steps and test the new set of samples. Then, you'll have +four sets of data for comparison. Look specifically for certain +elements. Cobalt-56 is a standard test element. Check for +Iron, Magnesium, Sodium, then Lead, Strontium, etc. If there are +significant differences found (and I would use an alpha of +about 0.05), then you have something that you can point to and +say: "This needs further examination!" + Sure, it's a long procedure, but remember, what you're +trying to do is prove an external mechanism for the creation of +crop circles, which are already widely assumed to be caused by +hoaxers. The skeptics have already launched their arguments +against the reality of the crop circle phenomenon; Dennis Stacy +sent me a preprint of an article in the Skeptical Inquirer on +this topic. + Another reason why so much care needs to be taken is that in +all the history of UGMs (unidentified ground markings), +"saucer nests" and "UFO landing sites", a very, very small number +had any associated radioactivity. Cerealogists often argue +that crop circles are different from other UGMs, but it should be +obvious that they are really quite similar. Crop circles are +kinds of UGMs, and the link with UFOs definitely exists. Bower +and Chorley claim they even got the idea for their artistic +endeavours from the Tully "saucer nests" of the 1960's. It would +be rather odd for UGMs to suddenly be laced with +radioactivity; it is more likely that cerealogists are +frenetically searching for evidence to show that crop circles are +unlike other UGMs, and believe that they have found the radiation +as their proof. + Now, much to my wife's consternation, I do have some +radioactive soil safely stored in a cement container in my house. +It came from the Michalak site, from the "saucer nest" found near +Falcon Lake in 1967. The area was so radioactive that the +Government closed the area for health concerns at the time. +Nuclear waste dumps were checked, and Michalak went to a nuclear +research establishment for testing. For many years, it was +widely assumed that the radiation was either due to a clever +"seeding" of the area with radium particles by a hoaxer, or was +actually caused by a spacecraft with a leaky reactor. However, +recent tests sponsored by UFOROM gave another interpretation: +that the radiation came from natural uranium ore, and the odd +peaks found in the energy spectrum came from byproducts of radon, +a gas. + But, of course, things are not quite that simple. This +latest interpretation requires that researchers at a major +government nuclear research establishment failed to recognise the +peaks as being due to natural uranium and radon. While this +is possible, one can wonder what other mistakes might have +occurred, and what were their consequences? + +Circle Roundup: After Granum, Alberta, near the beginning of +September, there were no more Canadian UGMs reported. In the +United States, there were cases reported in North Dakota, New +York, Kansas, and the noted case near Argonne. However, +summertime down under has produced a new crop of circles and UFO +reports in Australia. Reports of "over 100" circles on the +island continent are making headlines as I write these notes. +Here in North America, we wait for springtime to see what might +occur. + +From the Mailbag: Laurence Sokoloff, whom some have likened to +an alien, sends me obscure articles he comes across during his +literary endeavours. His latest came from Paris Match for 12 +Decembre 1991, with the accompanying note: "Chris - This article +is about French scientist Jean-Pierre Petit, who maintains that +startling scientific discoveries have been revealed to him by +aliens from the planet UMMO, located about 15 light-years from +Earth. His book on the subject, Inquiry into the Aliens Who Are +Already Among Us, has become a best-seller in France. Of course, +these are people who like Jerry Lewis." Thanks for the +article, Larry! + + + Snailmail et al + + It would be difficult to list every missive I have received +over the past 6 months, and downright dangerous. More than +a few people have pored through previous LoCs and WAHFs in +previous issues and complained that I missed their names. If it +happens, it's an accident, really! However, let me throw caution +to the wind and comment on a few letters. + Len Stringfield sent me his latest Status Report VI (thanx, +Len!); it is a very readable survey of current crash- +retrieval stories, ranging from Roswell to Carp to Christian +Page's "alien" photo from Montreal. Christian, by the way, is +rapidly emerging as one on Canada's finest ufologists, with the +added dimension of contributing UFO info from French Canada +which was generally inaccessible until recently. Mike Strainic +and Lorne Goldfader in BC have been contributing cases and other +info to my Canadian UFO Survey. Mike's article in MUFON about +Chad Deetken's circle expeditions has already been commented +upon. John Schuessler has sent me his UFO Potpourri; Bonnie +Wheeler sent along her Cambridge UFO Research Group Newsletter +(honestly, Bonnie, what is your xerox bill?); Bob Girard's +Arcturus Book Service Catalog is worth reading just for his +annotations! + A special thanks goes out to John Salter, who continues to +document his fascinating experiences and keep his close +friends abreast of the latest (TV makes you look thinner, John!). +MUFON rep Eric Aggen publishes UFO Paradox occasionally, and +it is usually chock full of interesting Lazar or alien tech +stories. I am proud to say that I am among the non-subscribers +to Saucer Smear, published by James Moseley. Where else can you +read a running tirade between believers and skeptics, with barely +a hint of sarcasm? Jim is definitely worthy of his title, +Supreme Commander! Smear is absolutely essential to any +fortean's reading. + As for cerealogy, Paul Fuller's Crop Watcher and Pat +Delgado's CPR Newsletter are the two circlezines I receive most +regularly. Coming from two different "camps", they provide +complementary (and often discordant) views on the British circle +scene. I would like to note that Jenny Randles has resumed her +exchange of Northern UFO News with SGJ, which was interrupted by +a span of 10 years. Ah, but that was back in the days of UFOSIS +... + As I am not a paying member of MUFON, I only get its Journal +intermittently. However, Walt Andrus and Dennis Stacy have +both been corresponding with me and we have been sending things +back and forth throughout the year. Dennis sent me a draft of +an anti-cerealogy article from an upcoming Skeptical Inquirer, +and asked me for a few comments and ammunition for his response +to CSICOP. Oddly, my package to him was returned unopened. MIB? +CIA? M-O-U-S-E ... + Eric Herr in San Diego is compiling a list of physical trace +cases that support his magnetic propulsion system theory. +John Musgrave has moved to BC, and has been somewhat quiet of +late. (How's trix, John?) What can I say about Paul Cuttle, the +intrepid fortean who keeps Canada Post in business? I wish I had +the time to track down all the material you find, Paul! + As an experiment, I have been encouraged to offer the SGJ as +a textfile in the UFO International echo, available on +computer BBs's. If it doesn't work, I would like to thank the +people who post me or netmail me with info. Linda Bird in +Arizona has been very helpful in providing info on UGMs down her +way. And her pix of the "Starthenon" are out of this world! +Dark skies, Linda! Sheldon Wernikoff, a BBS regular, has +thankfully snailmailed me some stuff to save a lot of typing. +His access and interest in circles is a significant contribution +to the field. I must thank Harsha Godaveri who got me onto the +BBs's in the first place, and who uploaded my disks until my +feeble system was up and running. The bad news is, Harsha, I've +contracted three different viruses since being on the BBS's, and +I'm going to give up until it gets a bit safer. I don't want +to lose another hard drive! + Michael Chorost has been keeping me abreast of his detailed +work on circles, including his catalogues of cases and his +articles in various journals. Similarly, another MUFON +contributor, Vince Migliore of California, has sent along his +comments about the circle scene. I have had many letters from +people along the lines of: "please send me everything you have +about crop circles and/or UFOs". Sorry, but I don't send more +than three filing cabinets at a time through the mail. + It is fascinating to receive information from researchers +with differing viewpoints; the "alien technologists", the +"Lear/Cooper" camp, the "nuts-and-bolts" theorists, the "plasma +vortex" theorists, the mystics, the contactees, the debunkers, +etc. It has always been my philosophy and approach to the field +that the only way to get an adequate understanding of the +phenomena is to examine all (both) sides of the arguments, no +matter how esoteric or stoic. A pet peeve of mine is the +preponderance of new "experts" who lack any kind of background in +the genre. Circle researchers who have never studied other +kinds of trace cases are one kind of irritant, as are ufologists +who haven't done their homework and haven't bothered reading +any of the historical literature that would shed light on their +"new" cases. Until Bower and Chorley mentioned the Tully saucer +nests, many cerealogists had never heard of the case. Similarly, +"plasma vortex experts" sometimes scratch their heads when +told of Phil Klass' articles in AW&ST, or of Persinger's TST. +Actually, I think one problem is the overwhelming amount of +information that has been published on the subject during the +last forty or fifty years. Chester Cuthbert, the Canadian expert +on the paranormal, also has one of the largest collections of +science fiction literature. He told me that when he began +collecting SF, it was possible to get everything published during +the course of a year. Then, when SF actually became popular +and it went commercial, he couldn't keep up, so he had to +specialize. One of his "specializations" back then was flying +saucer literature, which sprang out of SF literature. But by the +late 1950's, saucer literature was blossoming and it started to +become difficult to collect even this small field. The situation +has progressed to the point where UFOlit is nearly impossible +to collect in its entirety. A single one of Bob Girard's +catalogs now contains more titles than were ever published a mere +20 years ago! (In the Seventies!) Even with the help of +compilers like George Eberhart, getting a complete overview of +the UFO or circle field is not easy, and it's not getting any +better. Vanity presses continue to churn out accounts of contact +with the space brothers; collecting only Billy Meier material +could send you into the poorhouse in a year! + +Miscellanea + + A number of interesting books of note have been added to the +UFOROM library, among them: Angels and Aliens by Keith Thompson +(1991); UFOs Over Canada by John Robert Colombo (1991); The +Algonquin Experiments by James Penman Rae (1978); UFO Report 1992 +edited by Timothy Good (1991); and Things That Go Bump in the +Night by Emily Peach (1991). + Colombo's latest tome is a collection of anecdotal accounts, +all in the first person, of UFO sightings in Canada over two +centuries. The lack of the investigation reports of the cases +gives it more of a folkloric approach to the subject rather than +an overview such as the earlier UFO Sightings, Landings, +Abductions by Yurko Bondarchuk. Nevertheless, it +provides a refreshing viewpoint of the witnesses' own +interpretations of their experiences, and is a worthwhile read. + On a different topic, it looks like the infamous Carp UFO +crash/retrieval is not quite dead. Len Stringfield included +comments about the matter by Clive Nadin, Christian Page and +myself in his latest Status Report. I continue to get the latest +ravings from its originator(s), including ramblings about Red +China taking over the world and how the Brotherhood will protect +the Holy Grail and save us from the aliens. Theaccompanying +photos are mostly blurry, though one shows a guy in a bad +alien mask. Sad, sad. We have been able to show that the +packages are mailed from Ottawa/Hull, so the suspicion falls on +UFO buffs in that area. + +================================================================= + + A special note to Canadian readers: it's time once again for +the annual Canadian UFO Survey! Send just your report data to +the address below for inclusion in the yearly case roundup. And +while you're at it, some of you (Americans included here!) have +not provided details of UGMs and crop circles for the annual +NAICCR report. Tsk. They're waiting for you! + + Thanks to all who provide data or otherwise contribute to +the information exchange in ufology, cerealogy or forteana. You +are the reason progress continues to be made in these fields! + +================================================================= + +The SWAMP GAS JOURNAL is an irregular ufozine published by: + +Ufology Research of Manitoba +P.O. Box 1918 +Winnipeg, Manitoba +Canada R3C 3R2 + +Copyright 1991 by Chris A. Rutkowski + +================================================================ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1213.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1213.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3ce9516e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1213.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +SUBJECT: ARTIFICIAL PROCUCTION OF PLASAMA-VORTEX QUINTUPLET CIRCLES + FILE: UFO1213 + + by + + Sheldon L. Wernikoff + + + An important advance in experimental research on the circles +effect has resulted from observations of the motion of vortices in +a gas-filled chamber. The experiments concern the production of +quintuplet circle sets by the impact of plasma vortices upon an +anode. + + The experiments are conducted using Tesla-generated high +voltage, low frequency currents in an inert mixture of neon and +argon gas. At certain frequencies around 150 KHZ, plasma vortices +form. The vortices are rendered luminous by the excitation of the +neon-argon mixture. The anode is spherical in shape, approximately +40mm in diameter, and is fabricated of carbon-steel alloy sheathed +in a ceramic insulating capsule. + + The vortices form spontaneously and glow brightly during their +approach to the anode. Upon striking it each vortex gives rise to +a regular set of five circles, the four satellite circles being +located at equal distances in the four right angle directions from +the primary circle. The experiment has been repeated many times. +The first color photographs taken in October 1990 using ASA 3200 +film suggest that the satellite circles are created at the moment +of impact by the ejection of four subsidiary vortices from the +primary one, but the exact sequence will not be known until the +process has been filmed by a high speed video camera. Good +photographs have subsequently been taken in monochrome at F1.2, +1/250, ASA 3200 pushed to ASA 12500. + + / This work helps to confirm the general ionized vortex theories +initiated by Dr. G. Terence Meaden for crop circle formation by +natural vortex processes in the atmosphere, in combination with the +theory of George Bathurst for quintuplet formation by satellite + /vortex ejection. Next, it is hoped to film the life cycle of the +vortices using video film. + + + / (This article and photographs will be published in June 1991, +in a post-conference book of papers entitled "Circles from the +Sky". I welcome correspondence from interested parties) + + + Sheldon L. Wernikoff + 9200 Niles Center Rd #2C + Skokie, IL 60076-1548 U.S.A. + TEL: 708-677-5154 + FAX: 312-252-7574 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1214.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1214.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..66ce47b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1214.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLE REPORT FILE: UFO1214 + + +Message number 455 in "SYSOP" +Date: 11-27-90 23:17 +From: Mark Eilert +To: John Komar +Subj: Report of Sighting + +I left a report of an unusual cirlce found in an alfalfa field by a farmer in +Kansas using your Report Sighting Program. I did not witness this circle, +but it was reported to me by the farmer (my father in-law) over the +Thanksgiving holiday when I was in Kansas. The 18 foot diameter circle (18 +inches wide) appeared in July 1990, sometime between the time when the +alfalfa was cut down and the time it was raked (several days). The color of +the "residue" was blue-grey and very different than the color of the newly +cut alfalfa and the growing alfalfa plants. The farmer, who has lived on and +farmed this land for all of his life (over 50 years) has never seen anything +like this before. He showed the circle to his wife and to a neighbor before +destroying it with a rake. He did not take any photographs of the circle, +but he did keep a small jar of the alfalfa plants with the residue coating +He is willing to give the sample to anyone interested in analyzing it. He +has given me permission to report his finding. His name is: Robert +Ackerman, Sr. + Rural Route #1 + Park, Kansas 67751 + (913) 673-4617 +I have seen the sample and agree that it is unusual. It has the appearance +of a fungus or mold growing on the alfalfa, which would not necessarily be +unusual except that it appeared "overnight" and that it was in the shape of a +perfect circle which covered not only growing alfalfa plants but also a newly +cut windrow of alfalfa. Please call me at 873-5951 (work) or 872-8393 (home) +if you have any questions. + Mark Eilert +P.S. I enjoy this BBS very much and appreciate your service. Thanks! + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + +Date of Sighting: July 1990 + +Sighting Time: unknown + +Duration of Sighting: n/a + +Place of Sighting: state of Kansas, Sheridan County, near town of Park, in the +country + +Brief physical Description: Unusual circle found by farmer in newly mowed +alfalfa field. Diameter of circleapproximately 18 feet. Width of band of +circle approximately 1.5 feet (18 inches). The color of the circle was blue- +grey which contrasted with the green and b + +Brief location of sighting: Alfalfa field near Park, Kansas. Approximately 0.5 +miles from farmer's home. + +Where and what they were doing: My father in-law was raking alfalfa windrows +together. + +Noticed the object? My father in-law noticed the color of the circle. + +What witness thought object was at first: No idea. + +Reaction/Action during/after sighting: n/a + +Object description and actions: +A blue-grey coating on the alfalfa plants. + +Lost by: n/a + +Real Name & Age: Mark Eilert, age 30 +Street: 590 G Street +Town/City: Millington, TN +Country: USA +telephone: 901-872-8393 +Occupation: Naval Officer/Civil Engineer +Employer: U. S. Navy Civil Engineer Corps +Education: BS Agricultural Engineering from Kansas State University +Degree: Bachelor of Science in Engineering +Major: Agricultural Engineering +Special Training: Facilities Management +Vision: 20/20 +Colorblind or Eyeglasses: no/no +Hearing: good +Health During: n/a +Health After: n/a + +Viewed from: a + +Viewed Through: j + +Area/Location: + +Area/Terrain: a + +Sky Condition: n/a + +Precipitation: a + +UFO Direction: n/a + +Ufo Elevation First Seen: n/a + +Ufo Elevation last seen: n/a + +UFO distance when closest: n/a + +UFO altitude closest to ground: n/a + +position of UFO: n/a + +Also in Area: n/a + +observed object or light: n/a + +# of, Shape of and color of: blue-grey circle on the ground + +Sound: n/a + +Smell: none detected + +Speed: n/s + +Real size: n/a + +Apparent size in relation to star: n/a + +Apparent size in relation to the moon: n/a + +Bright as: n/a + +Did object/light... 16 + +Witnesses: two + +Did object/light... 16 + +Other Agencies: no + +name use: a + +Date: 11/27/90 + +Other Agencies: +name use: I did not witness this, but my father in-law reported it to me over +the Thanksgiving holidays + +Date: + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1215.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1215.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..13cd2d7f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1215.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +SUBJECT: CIRCLES NETWORK-MICHAEL CHOROST FILE: UFO1215 + + + + Excerpt from: Mufon UFO Journal, Number 27, Dec. 1990 + + CIRCLES NETWORK + + written by + Michael Chorost + + North America has "caught" the crop circles. If events in +England are any indication, they will increase in number and +complexity as time goes on. It's time we got organized. + + I would like to propose the creation of a data network. Its +purpose would be to ensure that each of the major researchers on +the continent gets the information gathered by all the others. + + There are a number of ways it could be organized. One +possibility is to assign each person one or two other people to +whom they automatically send everything they discover or receive. +Since everybody would have an "input" and an "output," one could be +sure that by sending a new piece of data to their "outputs," +everyone else would eventually get a copy. + + I would like to solicit organizational suggestions. There are +several criteria that a successful network must meet: + +* It must be fast and efficient. This rules out circular +networks, for example, because one's "input" would have to +wait for information to be mailed all the way around the +circle before he or she got it. + +* It must be readily expandable. It should be possible to add + new members to the net without difficulty. + +* It must be fault-tolerant. If a person goes on vacation, or + drops out, the net should be able to keep going without +difficulty. This would seem to rule out highly centralized +networks. + +* Each member must be productive as well as distributive. They + should have some way of contributing new information to the + net, whether by fieldwork, literature searches or data +analysis. + + I would like to suggest that the network be named "The North +American Circle." If you have suggestions as to how the net could +be organized, or would be interested in joining it, please write: + + North American Circle + PO Box 61144 + Durham, NC 27715-1144 + + or call: + (919)286-0529 + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1216.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1216.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f7360d60 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1216.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,532 @@ +SUBJECT: BIBLOGRAPHICAL UPDATE: CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1216 + + + + Circles of Note: Bibliography on the Crop Circles + Updated June 9, 1991 + + Michael Chorost + + Bibliographies always look rather dry. However, a careful reader +can learn much from this one, since many of the entries have parentheti- +cal summaries attached to them. Also, a close look at the topics will +reveal the diversity of the crop circles phenomenon and the responses it +has gathered. Finally, the sections on books, magazines, and studies +include price and ordering information, where known. + + I should note two sets of exclusions. First, I have not indexed +articles from journals devoted to cerealogy. Much of the best information +has been printed in their pages; back numbers can often be obtained by +writing to the editors. Second, I have tended to include newspaper arti- +cles only of particular interest or informativeness, such as ones reporting +circles in detail, non-English circles, or noteworthy points of view. + + Inclusion in this bibliography does not imply endorsement. + + I am indebted to my contacts and colleagues in England, Canada, +and the United States, who generously sent me many of the articles listed +here. I would be grateful to receive any corrections and additions, which +will be included in future updates. Contact me at: + + Michael Chorost + North American Circle + P.O. Box 61144 + Durham, NC 27715-1144 + + +All items listed alphabetically by author. + +Books + +Circular Evidence. Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews. London: Bloomsbury +Press, 1989. 190 pp. US price $29.95 hardcover, $14.95 softcover. At +least three sources: (1) Phanes Press, P.O. Box 6114, Grand Rapids, MI +49516, tel. (800) 678-0392. (2) Arcturus Book Services, P.O. Box 831383, +Stone Mountain, Georgia, 30083-0023, tel. (404) 297-4624. (3) Trafalgar +Square, Vermont, NY, tel. (802) 457-1911. + +Crop Circles: The Latest Evidence. Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews. +London: Bloomsbury Press, 1990. 80 pp. UK L5.99, US $13.95. Ordering +information as above. + +The Controversy of the Circles. Paul Fuller and Jenny Randles. UK +L4.20. BUFORA, 103 Hove Avenue, Walthamstow, London. + +Crop Circles: A Mystery Solved. Paul Fuller and Jenny Randles. London: +Robert Hale Ltd, 1990, 250 pp. UK L13.95, US $30.95 (from Arcturus Books, +see entry for Circular Evidence above.) + +The UFO Report 1990. Edited by Timothy Good. Sidgwick & Jackson, + + +1990. See "The Celtic Cross", p. 91-94. + +The Circles Effect and Its Mysteries. George Terence Meaden. Bradford- +on-Avon: Artetech Publishing Company, April 1990 (2nd ed.) 116 pp. UK +L11.95. Order from Artetech, 54 Frome Road, Bradford-on-Avon, BA15 1LD; +tel. 02216 2482. + +Proceedings of the First International Conference on the Circles Effect. +Edited by George Terence Meaden and Derek Elsom. Copyright TORRO- +CERES (Tornado and Storm Research Organization-Circles Effect Research +Group). 134pp. Conference held at Oxford Polytechnic on June 23, 1990. +Available from Artetech (see previous item) at UK L10. + +Circles From The Sky. Edited by George Terence Meaden. The expanded, +hardcover edition of the Proceedings (see previous item.) 208 pp. UK +L14.99 from Souvenir Press, 43 Great Russell Street, London WC1B 3PA. + +The Crop Circle Enigma. Edited by Ralph Noyes. Bath: Gateway Books, +1990. 192 pp. $29.95 (note price increase.) At least four sources: (1) +The Great Tradition, 11270 Clayton Creek Road, P.O. Box 108, Lower Lake, +CA 95457, tel. (707) 995-3906. (2) New Leaf Book Distributing Co, 5425 +Tulane Drive SW, Atlanta, GA 30336-2323, tel. (404) 691-6996. (3) Inland +Book Co, P.O. Box 261, East Haven, CT 06512, tel. (203) 467-4257. (4) +Bookpeople, 2929 Fifth Street, Berkeley, CA 94710, tel. (415) 549-3030. + +Physical Traces Associated With UFO Sightings. Compiled by Ted Phillips, +edited by Mimi Hynek. Northfield, Illinois: Center for UFO Studies, 1975. + +The Natural History of Stafford-shire. Robert Plott (spelled "Plot" on title +page.) Oxford, 1686. (Pages 7-21 describe what may be 17th-century +fairy rings or crop circles.) + +Passport to Magonia. Jacques Vallee. Chicago: Henry Regnery Co, 1969. +(See "Rings In The Moonlight", pp. 31-39, on "UFO nests.") + +Periodicals + +Circles Phenomenon Research (CPR) Newsletter. Editor: Pat Delgado. 1- +year subscription (4 issues) $24.00 (but price may be reduced; write for +current information.) CPR Satellite Office, 117 Ashland Lane, Aurora, OH +44202. Make checks payable to D.S. Rulison. (Sympathetic to theories of +non-human intelligence.) + +UFO Newsclipping Service. Editor: Lucius Farish. 1-year subscription (12 +issues) $55. Route 1, Box 220, Plumerville, Arkansas 72127. (Excellent +source for newspaper reports of crop circles worldwide.) + +The Crop Watcher. Editor: Paul Fuller. 1-year subscription (6 issues) UK +L13.00 (overseas airmail price.) 3 Selborne Court, Tavistock Close, Romsey, +Hampshire SO51 7TY, England. (Sympathetic to the meteorological theory.) + +The Circular. Editor: Bob Kingsley. 1-year subscription (4 issues) in- +cluded with membership in CCCS (Centre for Crop Circle Studies.) Over- +seas membership UK L15, US $33. Payable Visa/Access/Mastercard/Euro- +card. Write to Specialist Knowledge Services, St. Aldhelm, 20 Paul Street, +Frome, Somerset BA 11 1DX, U.K., or call (0373) 51777. + +Journal of Meteorology. Editor: George Terence Meaden. 1-year overseas +subscription (10 issues) UK L55 surface, L65 airmail. 54 Frome Road, +Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, BA15 1LD, England. (The bastion of the +meteorological theory.) + +The Cerealogist. Editor: John Michell. 1-year subscription (3 issues) +L7.50, US $18.00. Payable Visa/Access/Mastercard/Eurocard. Write to +Specialist Knowledge Services, St. Aldhelm, 20 Paul Street, Frome, Somerset +BA 11 1DX, U.K., or call (0373) 51777. (Closely associated with the CCCS. +Eclectic approach.) + +The Swamp Gas Journal. Editor: Chris Rutkowski. For subscription +information, write to the editor at Box 1918, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada +R3C 3R2. (Loosely associated with NAICCR--see "Studies"; runs stories on +Canadian crop circles.) + +Mufon UFO Journal. Editor: Dennis Stacy. 1-year subscription (12 issues) +$25. 103 Oldtowne Road, Seguin, Texas 78155-4099. (Frequently runs +articles on crop circles, particularly North American ones.) + +Articles + +"Midwest Crop Circles." Erich A. Aggen, Jr. Mufon UFO Journal, no. 272 +(December 1990), pp. 15-16. (Irregular crop circles near Odessa, +Missouri.) + +"Circular Evidence." Colin Andrews. Mufon UFO Journal, no. 243 (July +1988), pp. 11-13. (Discussion of several 1987 formations.) + +"Major Increase in Mystery Circles." Colin Andrews. Kindred Spirit (UK) +vol 1 no. 5 (Winter 1988-89) pp. 27-28. + +"Crop Circles Appear in the U.S.S.R." Walt Andrus. Mufon UFO Journal, +no. 270 (October 1990), p. 13. (Oval, 35 by 45 meters; Krasnodar region.) + +"The Thumb Prints of the Gods?" Anonymous. U.S. News & World Report, +Sept. 11, 1989. (Short item.) + +"Prepare to Meet Thy Drought." Anonymous. Today, July 20, 1990. +(Suggests the multiple pictograms resemble the Sumerian language or +weather-map symbols.) + +"Mystery Circles in Fukuoka." Anonymous. Asahi Evening News (Tokyo), +Sept. 28, 1990. (Two circles 12 km. E of Fukuoka City, Japan, found Sept. +17, 1990.) + +"More Circular Evidence." Richard Beaumont. Kindred Spirit, vol. 1, no. +8, pp. 25-28. (Interview with Colin Andrews. Discusses electrical, psy- +chic, and historical events associated with the circles.) + +"Crop Circles: The Mystery Deepens." Richard Beaumont. Kindred Spirit, +vol. 1, no. 12, pp. 32-37. (Summary of the key developments of the +Summer 1990 season, with aerial photos.) + +"The English 'Circles' Mystery." Jon Erik Beckjord. UFO vol. 5, no. 6 +(probably late 1990), pp. 9-13, 39. (Discusses personal visit to several +formations.) + +"Possible Physical Mechanism for Producing Crop Circles." John Branden- +burg. Mufon UFO Journal, no. 276 (April 1991), pp. 10-11. (Suggests +microwave beams are responsible for flattening plants.) + +"UFO Report to Farmers." George Brandsberg. Farm Profit, July-August +1975. (Discusses scorched patches and long swathes of sliced-off corn.) + +"The Summer 1990 Crop Circles." Michael Chorost and Colin Andrews. +Mufon UFO Journal, no. 272 (December 1990), pp. 3-14. (Layering of +crops, EM effects, possibility of language. 10 photos, 3 diagrams.) + +"Circles of Note: A Continuing Bibliography." Michael Chorost. Mufon UFO +Journal, no. 276 (April 1991), pp. 14-17. (This bibliography, as of April +1991.) + +"Theses for a Pre-Paradigm Science: Cereology." Michael Chorost. To be +published in Mufon conference proceedings, July 1991. (Current state of +cereology; further theorizing on language hypothesis.) + +"Erasmus Darwin on Cropfield Circles in 1789?: The Fairy-Ring +Connection." Mark Chorvinsky. Strange Magazine no. 6 (date unknown; +probably late 1990), p. 32. (Reprints Darwin's discussion of odd fairy- +rings; it is quite similar to Plott's account--see "Books.") + +"UFO Mania Hits Odessa: Circles In Field Create Media Interest." Carol +Conrow. The Odessan (Odessa, Missouri), September 20, 1990, pp. 2-3. +(Discussion of Odessa crop circle in a field of sorghum.) + +"Circles in Lowe Fields Stir Interest Across Nation." Carol Conrow. The +Odessan (Odessa, Missouri), September 27, 1990. + +"The Whippingham Ground Effects." Leonard G. Cramp. Flying Saucer +Review, vol. 14, no. 3 (May/June 1968). (Extensive documentation of +straight and circular plant flattenings correlated with a reported UFO +sighting on July 10, 1967, near Newport, Isle of Wight.) + +"The Circles: England's Greatest Unsolved Mystery." Sean Devney. UFO +Universe, July 1990, pp. 30-59. (Discussion of possible relationship to +Stonehenge.) + +"Around and Around in Circles." Sally B. Donnelly. Time Magazine. Sept. +18, 1989, p.50. Letters of response in Oct. 9th issue, p. 14. (Overview of +the phenomenon; three color pictures.) + +"Ever-Increasing Circles." Elisabeth Dunn. Telegraph Weekend Magazine +(UK), July 8, 1989, pp. 24-28. (Basic overview; good photographs.) + +"Magical Mystery Tour." John Eccles. Sussex Express (UK), August 3, +1990. (Formation on Milton Street Farm, near Wilmington Priory.) + +"Logic Flattens 'Corn Circle' Theories." James Erlichmann. Guardian (UK), +July 6, 1990, p. 24. (Reports Robert Cory's theory: "The phenomenon is +caused by the old-fashioned circular irrigation machine.") + +"El Enigma Que Cayo Del Cielo." Hilary Evans. Ano Cero no. 2 (September +1990), pp. 50-55. + +"Mysterious Circles in British Fields Spook the Populace." Craig Forman. +Wall Street Journal, Aug 28, 1989, p. A1. (Basic overview.) + +"Squaring The Circles of Alien Visitors." Nigel Fountain. Guardian (UK), +August 1, 1990, p. 36. (Humor: "Stuff fluid dynamics, I want some +aliens.") + +"Mystery Circles: Myth in the Making." Paul Fuller. International UFO +Reporter, May/June 1988, p. 4-8. (Supports meteorological theory; +presents two eyewitness cases of whirlwinds.) + +"Weird Circles Puzzle Britons." Jacqui Goddard. The High Plains Journal +(Dodge City, Kansas), September 11, 1989, p. B1. (Basic overview.) + +"Circles Run Rings Around Experts." Timothy Good. Hampshire Chronicle +(UK), Aug. 4, 1989. (Basic overview.) + +"Circles in the fields inspire talk of UFO's." Maria Goodavage. USA Today, +November 15, 1990, p. 6A. (Short discussion of double-dumbbells.) + +"Daylight Close Encounter." Stan Gordon. MUFON UFO Journal, July 1989, +pp. 18-21. (Discusses Pennsylvania UFO sighting and related circular +landing trace.) + +"Retrospective Investigation of a Possible Trace at Mt. Garnet". Holly +Goriss and Russell Boundy. UFO Research Australia Newsletter, March- +April 1981 (Vol 2. No. 2) pp. 4-6. (Investigates a 1977 ground marking +which looks like a crude quintuplet.) + +"Farmer's Amazing Find in Cornfield." Richard Green. Chase Post (Lich- +field, UK), Aug. 9, 1990. (Chorley, Lichfield "cross" formation.) + +"Crop Circles Create Rounds of Confusion." Wendy Grossman. Skeptical +Inquirer, vol. 14 no. 2 (Winter 1990), pp. 117-118. ("A genuine modern +mystery.") + +"The Year of the Vajra." John Haddington. Link Up, Sept-Nov. 1990, p. +4-13. (Suggests dumbbells are Buddhist symbols; discussion of camera +failures.) + +"If It Can't Be Explained, Women Ready To Listen." Bill Harlan. Rapid +City Journal (South Dakota), March 10, 1991. (Report circles in area to +Davina Ryszka of Custer, S.D., (605) 673-2818.) + +"Round and Round They Go: New Crop of Oddities Has British Going in +Circles." Timothy Harper. The Detroit News, Oct. 2, 1989, p. 3A. (Basic +overview.) + +"Going Round in Circles." Andrew Hewitt. Huddersfield Examiner (UK), +August 7, 1990. (Supports vortex theory, dismisses hoax theory.) + +"Taking A Turn Around The Circles." George Hill. The Times (UK), July +27, 1990, p. 16. (Attack on uncritical media approaches to phenomenon.) + +"Beware of the Supernatural." Juliet Hughes. Wiltshire Gazette (UK), +August 9, 1990. ("If the crop circles prove to be meteorological phenome- +na, then all the more glory to God.") + +"England's Puzzling Crop Circles: The Shape of a Mystery." J. Antonio +Huneeus. New York City Tribune, 2 parts: May 3 and 10, 1990 ("Science" +section.) (Discusses history, and hoax and meteorological theories.) + +"A Sighting in Saskatchewan." J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee, in The +Edge of Reality (Appendix A). The Henry Regnery Co., 1975. (Discusses +Canadian UFO sighting and related circular flattened areas.) + +"Experts Can't Square Explanations of Circles." Gregory Jensen. Wash- +ington Times, July 27, 1990. Page A1. (Reports the Blackbird hoax inci- +dent. Photo of one of the pictograms.) + +"Round and Round in Circles." Dianne Kenny. Global Link Up, December +1988/Feb. 1989, pp. 4-7. (Overview, theories.) + +"Corn Circles and an Artful Explanation." Miles Kington. The Independ- +ent (UK), Sept. 5, 1990, p. 20. (Humor: "I would surmise that Wiltshire is +a very out-of-town gallery for some galaxy.") + +"A Rare Circle for Skeptics." Marek Kohn. Weekend Guardian (UK), Aug. +18, 1990, p. 17. (Skeptical discussion of the phenomenon.) + +"The Corn Circles Riddle." Idina Le Geyt. Share International vol 9, no. +3 (April 1990), pp. 17-19. (Focuses on paranormal events associated with +the circles.) + +"Spherical Sounds? Zounds!" Eugenia Macer-Story. Mufon UFO Journal, +April 1991, pp. 12-13. + +"Strange Sighting at Silbury Hill." Richard Martin. Kindred Spirit (UK), +vol 1 no. 5 (Winter 1988-89), pp. 26-27. (Glowing lights associated with +circles.) + +"Mysterious Ring in Field Gets Plenty of Attention." Tom McCoag. +Chronicle Herald (Halifax, Canada), April 22, 1991, p. A1. (Early 1991 +formation in Amherst, Nova Scotia; 30-foot dia. ring, 12 inches wide.) + +"More Puzzling Circles Found in Fields." Donna McGuire and Eric Adler. +Kansas City Star, September 21, 1990, p A1. (Map locates seven circles in +Kansas City region; discusses microburst theory.) + +"Circles in the corn." Terence Meaden. New Scientist, June 23, 1990, 47- +9. (Argues for the plasma vortex theory.) + +"The Beckhampton 'Scroll-Type' Circles, The Beckhampton 'Triangle', and + +Strange Attractors." G. Terence Meaden, Journal of Meteorology (Trow- +bridge, U.K.), October 1990, pp. 317-320. ("The triangle is nothing other +than an imperfect circle." Useful for discussion of luminous tubes and +diagram of a scroll.) + +"Crop Circles Explained???" Ernest P. Moyer. Insight, Sept. 24, 1990; +reprinted in Focus, December 31, 1990, p. 16. (Translates one double- +dumbbell to mean "Khawah", or "Eve, the life-giver.") + +"And Now...Cornfield Circles in Australia!" Paul Norman. Flying Saucer +Review, vol. 35, no. 1 (March Quarter, 1990), pp. 7-8. (Briefly discusses +nine 1980's crop circles in Beulah, Victoria, between 3 and 16 feet in +diameter.) + +"And More Cornfield Circles in Canada." Paul Norman. Flying Saucer +Review, vol. 35, no. 1 (March Quarter, 1990), pp. 8-9. (Briefly discusses +1989 circles between 6 and 24 meters in diameter in Manitoba; 2 photos.) + +"Crop Revolution 10 Years On." Ralph Noyes. Country Life, July 6, 1989, +pp. 102-103. (Discusses White Crow, 1989's surveillance experiment.) + +"Circular Arguments." Ralph Noyes. Mufon UFO Journal no. 258 (October +1989), pp. 16-18. (Discusses books, meteorological theory.) + +"Farmers Fear Mysterious Vicious Circle." Nick Nuttall. The London +Times, June 23, 1990, p. 4. (Oxford Polytechnic conference.) + +"L10,000 Reward." Terry O'Hanlon. Sunday Mirror (UK), July 22, 1990. +(Mirror offers reward for solution of mystery.) + +"Mysterious Circles." Andrew Phillips. Macleans, Aug. 13, 1990, pp. 46-47. +(Short overview.) + +"The Hertfordshire 'Mowing Devil' Woodcut: A 17th Century Circle Report?" +Jenny Randles. UFO Times, no. 5 (January 1990), pp. 30-32. (Presents a +1678 woodcut showing a devil "mowing" a pattern which Randles suggests +may be a crop circle.) + +"Shedding New Light on Mystery Crop Circles." Ross Reyburn. Birming- +ham Post (UK), August 16, 1990. (Interview with Jenny Randles.) + +"Scientist Tells How He Squared A Corn Circle." Amit Roy. The Sunday +Times (UK), July 1, 1990, p. 4. (Discussion of meteorological theory.) + +"Swirled Landing Trace?" Carol and Rex Salisberry. MUFON UFO Journal, +no. 264 (April 1990), pp. 3-7. (A Gulf Breeze crop circle.) + +"Measuring the Circles." Michael T. Shoemaker. Strange Magazine no. 6 +(date unknown; probably late 1990), pp. 34-35, 56-57. (Critical review of +current theories.) + +"Did They Have Visitors?" Richard Simon. Fate, vol. 44, no. 2 (February +1991), pp. 66-69. (46-foot circle in shallow grass, Millersburg, Ohio.) + +"The Crop Circle Mystery." A. Robert Smith. Venture Inward, Jan/Feb +1991, pp. 12-16. + +"Unidentified Farm Object Shakes State." Wes Smith. Chicago Tribune, +October 28, 1990, p.1. Reprinted as "Illinois Aflutter Over Unidentified +Farm Object" in Austin American-Statesman (Austin, Texas), November 14, +1990, p. D10. (Discusses 1990 crop circle in Milan, Illinois.) + +"Field Of Dreams?" Dava Sobel. Omni, December 1990, pp. 59-67,121-128. +(Extended overview, slanted toward meteorological theory; many photo- +graphs.) + +"Graffiti of the Gods?" Dennis Stacy. New Age Journal, Jan/Feb. 1991, +pp. 38-44, 103. (Extended overview, more balanced than Omni article; +many photographs.) + +"River, Lake, and Creek." Michael Strainic. Mufon UFO Journal, March +1990, pp. 10-14. (Circles and UFO reports in British Columbia.) + +"Corn Circle Experts in Plea for Action." Chris Tate. Salisbury Journal +(UK), July 27, 1989, p. 4. (British government not discussing the phe- +nomenon.) + +"Hoping Some Furry Little Creatures Crop Up." Calvin Trillin. Syndicat- +ed newspaper column, August 13, 1990. (A humorous look at the circles.) + +"Did a UFO Visit This Farm?" Lon Tonneson. Dakota Farmer, October +1990, p. 9. (Early Aug. 1990 "reversed question mark" in Leola, S.D.) + +"Anatomy of a Corny Hoax." Simon Trump and Bill Mouland. Today (UK), +July 26, 1990, pp. 24-25. (Chronology of the Blackbird hoax.) + +"Proposed Physical Measurements of Crop Circles." Michael Wales. Mufon +UFO Journal, March 1991, pp. 15, 23. (Suggestions for instrumented re- +search.) + +Multiple stories, multiple authors, Fortean Times, issues 53 (Winter +1989/90) and 55 (sorry, date not known.) Issue 53 is entirely devoted to +the phenomenon, with articles by Bob Skinner, John Michell, Ralph Noyes, +G. Terence Meaden, Hilary Evans, and Bob Rickard. Issue 55 contains an +update, pp. 7-13, on 1989-1990 formations outside of Wiltshire. + +"Das Ratsel im Roggen." Stern, #38 (Sept/Oct 1989), p. 250-1. + +"Ein Phanomen Zieht Kreise." Esotera, December 12, 1989, p. 52-57. + +"Los misteriosos y polemicos circulos aparecidos en los campos del Sur de +Inglaterra." !Hola!, date ?, p. 134-140. + +Reviews + +"Crop Circles in North America: The NAICCR Report." Michael Chorost. +Mufon UFO Journal, June 1991. + +"A Crop of Circles." Circular Evidence and The Circles Effect and its +Mysteries. Derek Elsom. New Scientist, July 29, 1989, p. 58. + +"They Never Yet Could Find My Measure." The Crop Circle Enigma. +Wendy Grossman. New Scientist, December 1, 1990, pp. 61-2. + +Crop Circles: The Latest Evidence. Jerrold R. Johnson. Mufon UFO +Journal, March 1991, pp. 17-18, 23. + +The Circles Effect and Its Mysteries, Circular Evidence, and Controversy +of the Circles. Ralph Noyes. Journal of the Society for Psychical Re- +search, vol. 56, no. 820 (July 1990), pp. 235-237. + +The Crop Circle Enigma. Dennis Stacy. Mufon UFO Journal, March 1991, +pp. 16-17. + +"Field Events." Circular Evidence. Alexander Urquhart. Times Literary +Supplement, August 4, 1989, p. 845. + +Studies + +"Circles Investigation." Colin Andrews. Released 1986. 19 pp. Presents +some data for the years 1975-1986, primarily dates and approximate loca- +tions. Discusses hoax theory and circles' relationship to tramlines. Cir- +cles Phenomenon Research, 57 Salisbury Road, Andover, Hampshire SP10 +2LL, UK. + +"A Sample Survey of the Incidence of Geometrically-Shaped Crop Damage." +Paul Fuller. Copyright 1988. 41 pp. Commissioned by BUFORA and +TORRO. + +"North American Crop Circles and Related Physical Traces in 1990." Re- +leased February 1991. 18pp. Conducted by NAICCR (North American Insti- +tute for Crop Circle Research.) Presents data for 45 North American cases +in 1990, about 30 of which appear to be English-style crop circles. +NAICCR, 649 Silverstone Avenue, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 2V8, Canada. + +Television +(My thanks to Richard Benham and Paul Hicks for this information.) + +Good Morning America--May 9, July 24, July 25, July 26 (all 1990). Cover- +age of the Blackbird surveillance operation and the hoax of July 24, 1990. + +ABC Evening News--July 19, 1990. Coverage of double-dumbbells. + +CBS Evening News--July 25, 1990. Coverage of Blackbird hoax. + +Unsolved Mysteries--January 31, 1990. Overview of phenomenon and 1989 +events. Reshown with update on September 12, 1990. + +A Current Affair--August 27 and September 14, 1990. Latter show dis- +cusses Canadian crop circles and interviews Whitley Streiber about them. + +Inside Edition--March 5, 1990. + +20/20--September 21, 1990; 10-minute segment. + + +Miscellaneous + +The Skyland bulletin board (Asheville, N.C.) has inaugurated an NACIRCLE +conference (#14.) Contains an online version of Mufon's December 1990 +article by Chorost and Andrews, and a copy of this bibliography (which +will be updated regularly.) Sysop: Michael Havelin. Telephone (704) 254- +7800. 2400 baud, N-8-1. No charge. + +"Out of the Prairie Comes Proof that a Higher Level of Communication Has +Arrived." Advertisement for Procomm Plus 2.0 (Datastorm Technologies +Inc.) Clever depiction of a crop circle shaped like a computer diskette. +Designer: Stephen Monaco. Ran in computer magazines starting Feb-Mar. +1991. + +A recent Led Zeppelin album cover contains a photograph of the first +Alton Barnes double-dumbbell with a zeppelin's shadow over it. + +The Koestler Foundation is offering a reward of L5000 for a documented +explanation of the crop circles. For information, write to The Koestler +Foundation, 484 King's Road, London SW10 OLF. Include a stamped ad- +dressed envelope. + +CD-ROM bibliographic sources are beginning to index articles under "crop +circles." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1217.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1217.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8d2cb98c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1217.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN CANADA FILE: UFO1217 + + + + AgainMessage #6496 - MUFONET Date : 27-Aug-91 8:32 From : Bryce + Eckstein To : AllSubject : More crop circlesThere has been + another crop circle discovery, this time near Lethbridge,Alberta. + Here's the wire story:*--------------------------* + Lethbridge, Alta. (CP) -A member of an Alberta UFO group says early + tests suggest four circlesdiscovered in a southern Alberta wheat + field weren't created bypranksters. "Well, it's interesting and + it's a mystery," Gordon Kijek said lastweek after +investigating the site in an industrial area in the southernAlberta +city of Lethbridge. Kijek is the director of the Alberta UFOStudy +Group, which was founded last year. " I can't tell you exactly what +they are, because there are factorswhich help u +s differentiate between something man-made and somethingwhich isn't, +but let me say they passed the test we gave them. "The grain is bent +counterclockwise in three circles and clockwise inthe fourth. the +patterns consist of two large circles about t +hree metersacross, with a pair of smaller circles - each about one +meter across -radiating from one of them. "Also, the grain is pushed +down, but not broken," said Kijek. "However,when we walked through the +field the grain stalks broke quite easilyu +nder our feet. It was quite dry." "Kijek said the soil within the +circles was considerably drier than thesoil outside the circles. +Researchers are still puzzled by crop circles discovered in fields +inEngland. And last year, there were reports the c +rop circles materializedin at least a dozen fields across +Saskatchewan, Manitoba and themidwestern United States. Kijek said +there are similarities between the Lethbridge circles andthose found +in England. The UFO study group is awaiting written re +ports from two groups ofpeople who reported strange lights in the sky +northeast of Lethbridgefive or six days ago.*------------------------- +-*I'll keep my eyes peeled for updates on this event.CheersBryce--- +GoldED 2.30 * Origin: Polestar** USR 14.4 +V.32b Regina, Sk.(306)586-1551 (1:140/10)[A]gain, [N]ext, [L]ast, +[R]eply, [E]nter, [S]top : AgainMessage #8068 - UFO Date : 27-Aug- +91 21:16 From : Chris Rutkowski To : John HicksSubject : crop +circlesReplies : #8065 <--> #8156John:There wa +s a typo in the info about the Lethbridge crop circles. The +singlewas_10.7_ metres north of the triple, not 1.7 as was indicated. +There isstill nogood explanation for them.If you or anyone reading on +this BBS wants to get in touch with me (or other +sa UFOROM or NAICCR), my snailmail address is:P.O. Box 1918Winnipeg +General P.O.Winnipeg, ManitobaCanada R3C 3R2But be warned! The +Canadian Post Office is on strike!- Chris Rutkowski {:)--- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1218.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1218.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e1c5ba0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1218.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLE INFORMATION FILE: UFO1218 + + + +XMT: 11:41 Wed Jul 25 EXP: 12:00 Wed Aug 01 +SCIENTISTS RECORD FLASHES AS MYSTERY CIRCLES FORM IN ENGLISH CORNFIELDS +LONDON (JULY 25) REUTER - Excited scientists said they recorded evidence on +Wednesday that could solve the centuries-old mystery of circles in English +cornfields which have aroused speculation of visitors from outer space. +Experts filmed two big circles being made during the night amid a barrage of +unexplained flashing lights in a field in the southern county of Wiltshire. +It was the first known recording of the formation of symmetrical circles that +have puzzled Englishmen since the Middle Ages. +Theories of what causes them range from earthworms to whirlwinds to +spaceships. +In medieval times, countryfolk believed they were the work of the Devil. +Scientists from Britain, Japan, West Germany and the United States monitored +Wiltshire cornfields round the clock this week with thermal imagers and +low-light cameras. +On Wednesday, they recorded two circles being made, one about 100 metres (330 +feet) across, the other half that size, said Colin Andrews, leader of the +project coordinated by the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). +Analyzing their recordings hours later, they sent in helicopters to take +daylight pictures of the find and said they had made a significant scientific +discovery. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1219.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1219.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4e96593d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1219.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +SUBJECT: NEW INFO ON ENGLANDS CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1219 + + + +Copyright, 1990. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. + + LONDON (AP) -- Someone equipped with Ouija boards, wooden crosses and a +sense of humor played a practical joke on a team of investigators trying to +determine the cause of mysterious circles that appear suddenly in farm fields. + The team of engineers and photographers thought they had cracked the mystery +when sophisticated cameras and monitoring equipment recorded flashing orange +lights Tuesday night in a field they are watching in Wiltshire. + When the international team found two large circles with parallel lines +running through them on Wednesday morning, they were really intrigued. + But upon closer examination they realized they had been had. + Ouija boards and wooden crosses were found in the center of the circles, and +the Operation Blackbird researchers were not amused. + "Somebody had a joke, but it has actually set our research back," said Colin +Andrews, a team member and the author of "Circular Findings." + "We have a serious job to do. It is only funny for 60 seconds," he said, +adding that the recording of flashing lights were probably thermal images of +people running around in circles. + The investigators from the United States, Japan, West Germany and Britain +had planned to spend three weeks monitoring the field in the Vale of Pewsey in +the town of Wiltshire, 75 miles southwest of London. It was not immediately +clear if the practical joke would cause them to change their plan. + They are trying to determine the source of the mysterious circles, which +have appeared suddenly among crops in England and elsewhere in Europe. + The perfectly formed circles of flattened corn -- some with decorative +patterns, some with concentric rings -- were first recorded in England in 1678. + In other countries, the circles have been reported in sand, snow and rice +paddies. The circles have been variously attributed to whirlwinds, witches, +magnetic forces, animals, spaceships -- and hoaxers. + Last year, 300 circles appeared and as many theories as to why. + The most recent theory, published in the New Scientist magazine, suggested +they were formed by weather conditions and electrical charges in the area. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1220.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1220.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d531167d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1220.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,904 @@ +SUBJECT: SUMMER 1990 CROP CIRCLES - MICHAEL CHOROST FILE: UFO1220 + + + + This article ran in "Mufon UFO Journal", December 1990. Back + copies of the issue may be requested by writing to: Mufon, 103 + Oldtowne Road, Seguin, TX 78155. Minor corrections have been + made in this online version. The bibliography has been updat- + ed to March 1991. Online version created and released by + Michael Chorost. + + THE SUMMER 1990 CROP CIRCLES + + by Michael Chorost and Colin Andrews + Aerial photographs by Colin Andrews + Diagrams by Richard G. Andrews + + + (All paragraphs marked [CA] are by Colin Andrews; the rest are + by Michael Chorost.) + + Summer 1990 brought an explosion in the complexity, size, + and number of the crop circles in England. About six hundred + were discovered, double the number of 1989. One intriguing + early shape was discovered at Longwood Estate on June 6, and + dubbed a "quarter-arc" formation (picture and diagram 1). + Another early shape was the first "dumbbell" formation, dis- + covered on May 23rd near the foot of Telegraph Hill (diagram + 2). In its external shape and internal crop lay, it was the + most complex formation ever seen up to that time. + + Many more dumbbells like this followed (see pictures 2-5, + and diagrams 3-5.) Later in the summer, the "double dumb- + bells", complex formations several hundred feet long, began to + appear. They sported odd-looking forklike extensions, and + entourages of smaller circles nearby. Three of them were + discovered in all. + + The new formations were a shock to everybody. Much more + than the circles, rings, and quintuplets of earlier years, + they seemed to mean something, though no one knew what. They + seemed both part of the earth and detached from it, as if they + would slide away along the tramlines once their anchor-lines + were cut. They looked at once cryptic, fragile, and luminous. + + + Discussion of one "dumbbell" formation + -------------------------------------- + On July 3, six days after it was made, I examined the + formation in picture 4 (and Diagram 4) in detail. It was 48 + meters long, so large that people walking around in it looked + like marbles rolling around a plate. It was made of two + circles of wheat flattened along the ground, one with a ring. + They were connected by a bar, inside which the flattened wheat + plants pointed toward the unringed circle. There was a sort + of "tail", more technically called a spur, where the plants + pointed in the opposite direction from the bar. Four rectan- + gles flanked the bar. In the inner two rectangles, the flat- + tened wheat plants pointed toward the unringed circle; in the + outer two, they pointed the other way. + + The most complex part of this formation was where the bar + intersected the ringed circle. The bar crossed the ring and + the band of standing plants, but stopped at the perimeter of + the inner circle. In this area, the plants in the ring lay on + top of the bar, meaning that they had been flattened after the + bar was formed (see picture 10). Hence the formation was made + in at least two stages. Also, whatever formed the ring did + not affect the plants already laid down in the bar. While the + ring was being formed after the bar, the bar's plants stayed + put; they were not realigned to become part of the ring. + + The same kind of thing was evident at the other end of + the bar, where it met the unringed circle. The plants in the + circle overlapped the plants in the bar by a few inches, + showing that the unringed circle was also made after the bar. + This is a small clue about how these things are made. They + aren't stamped out all at once, cookie-cutter style; instead, + something forms the parts in a definite sequence. + + Most of the plants seemed to be alive and green (young + wheat is green.) However, a friend with me saw that about a + third of the plants whose stems were next to the tramlines had + turned yellowish. We could only speculate that those plants, + having gotten less fertilizer, were less hardy than the rest. + + Strangely, some of the plants inside the formation were + not affected by whatever force flattened their fellows. On + either side of the tramline running through the formation, + many plants remained upright (picture 10). This also occurred + in the ring, where isolated individual plants remained stand- + ing here and there, completely unaffected, like lonely survi- + vors of a massacre. (See also "Circular Evidence", p. 133.) + Colin speculates that the formative force may work like a + paint roller, flattening plants in strips and swathes, and + thus may miss a plant here and there between passes. + + I was fascinated by the giant rectangles (see picture + 11.) Rectangles of a sort have been seen in earlier years, as + spurs extending out of circles (see "Circular Evidence", pages + 54 and 42.) These, however, were true rectangles. From the + ground, they looked like giant bathtubs. + + In each rectangle, three sides looked as if they had been + cut with a razor. However, the "forward" end of each rectan- + gle--the end to which the plants pointed--was not straight but + jagged, or "notched" (picture 12). Whatever made the rectan- + gles faced a challenge here: how to flatten the plants right + at the end without also knocking down the standing plants + making up that end. It solved the problem by pushing the + flattened plants down in bunches between the plants at the + end. The standing plants apppeared unharmed; they stood + perfectly upright, and their leaves were not stripped off. + + This "notching" effect was also evident at the end of the + "tail." It is a characteristic feature of virtually all rec- + tangular elements. + + 1990's surveillance operation: Blackbird + ---------------------------------------- + [CA] Operation Blackbird was the largest surveillance + operation ever conducted to discover and film the cause of the + circles. Between 23rd July and 10th August, 1990, twelve + special cameras were focused on a corridor of land about one + mile long and 700 meters wide at Westbury. The cameras ranged + from thermal imaging to low-light, with sensitive listening + devices for good measure. + + [CA] Blackbird netted two significant results. One was + the Army's filming of a "ball of light" above Silbury Hill, + near Avebury. The film shows an orange ball of light in the + sky south of Silbury Hill. Its scale and height are difficult + to gauge. It was initially stationary, then moved slowly to + the east, then descended behind a hill, where it shone through + the trees before it was lost to sight. + + Orange balls have been seen before. Richard Beaumont + writes of an orange ball reported on June 29, 1989: + + + In the early hours of the morning, a most + reliable source spotted an orange ball of + light, about thirty feet in diameter, descend- + ing into a field well known for circle forma- + tions. The eye witness said that it appeared + to bounce slightly as it touched the ground. + He also said that it appeared to have a flat + bottom, but assumed that it must have looked + flat because of its descent into the cereal + crop. The ball appeared brighter at the pe- + riphery, although at no point was it a bril- + liant light. There was no noise whatsoever. + It then took on a hovering position for about + seven to eight seconds, and simply disappeared, + as if one had just turned off a light + bulb...[Colin Andrews and the witness] could + reference where the ball of light must have + been exactly. The next day the local farmer + and others rang Colin. A new formation had + formed exactly where the ball of light was + seen! (Beaumont, "Kindred Spirit", vol. 1, no. + 8, p 27.) + + + [CA] The other result of Blackbird was the BBC's filming + of a set of circles forming at Westbury during the night of + 3rd-4th August. The film is of poor quality, even after + enhancement, but it shows a darkened shape relating to the + largest circle's size and location. In the morning, the + formation was seen to be a large circle with a looping tail + pushing out of it and terminating in a smaller circle about 10 + meters away. Two other, smaller circles were also formed some + distance away. + + [CA] The BBC had promised to show both the Army's and its + own films on a special programme, but they now inform me that + somebody has decided that they are not compatible with the + "Daytime UK" programme. The BBC have stated, in fact, that + they do not plan to show the films at all. It is not clear + why. [Chorost: Colin has since told me that the BBC plans to + air the tapes on "People Today", BBC 1, March 21, 1991.] + + [CA] Blackbird also suffered from a cruel hoax. During + the early hours of 25th July, several of the 50-strong observ- + ers witnessed unusual lights on one of the monitors. Key + researchers, as well as members of UK and Japanese TV crews, + were summoned. As the sun came up, the watchers and press + could see that a large and intricate formation had been made. + Breakfast-time TV was on the air, and pressured me to make a + statement. I agreed to do so, and stated on live national + television what the observers had seen and that circles had + appeared on the same spot. Within two hours over 30 TV net- + works were on the site and the news was bounced around the + world that a UFO had been seen forming the mystery circles. + Later, we walked into the field to view the circles firsthand. + We found that they were all hoaxed, and that the lights on the + monitors were from the hoaxers. Also, crosses and Ouija + boards had been left in the circles by the hoaxers. Lively + debate is still heard in the streets and pubs of the UK about + this whole episode; however, genuine formations continued to + form throughout the rest of the summer. + + Other observations and discoveries + ---------------------------------- + The number of circles reported has risen steadily in the + last few years. Much of it is due to the rise in monitoring, + but the number of circles per given area also appears to be + increasing. According to Terence Meaden's "The Circles Effect + and its Mysteries" (p. 14) and his article in the Oxford + conference proceedings (p. 22), 75 formations were discovered + in 1987, 110 in 1988, and 305 in 1989. In 1990, according to + Colin Andrews, there were about 600 formations. [Footnote: + These numbers should be treated with caution, since I am not + familar with how researchers count circles. Is a quintuplet + formation counted as one "circle" or five? Are "grapeshot" + circles (very small circles less than a meter in diameter) + counted separately? Do the various researchers count circles + in the same way? These questions need to be investigated.] + The rate of increase presents obvious problems for the re- + searchers, whose resources were already strained by the number + of formations which appeared in 1990. + + [CA] HSC Laboratories in England have analysed plants + taken from a Celtic-cross formation type found at Blackland, + Wiltshire, on 1st June this year, using a distillation process + which crystallizes the plants. Electron microscope observa- + tion showed that the pattern of the crystals was dramatically + different from those of the control samples. A great deal + more work must be done before these early results can be + confirmed as significant. Suffice it to say that three trials + have shown similar results (see "Crop Circles--The Latest + Evidence".) + + Electrical equipment continues to malfunction occasional- + ly inside the circles. Busty Taylor reports that video cam- + eras sometimes fail to record inside them; the tape advances, + but the magnetic head records either erratically or not at + all. Terence Meaden reports that a camera consistently re- + fused to function while pointed down to photograph the center + of a circle, but worked in every other orientation tried + (Oxford conference notes, p. 41). + + [CA] Electromagnetic effects have been experienced on a + number of occasions, not least on Thursday, 10th August 1989, + at 3:30 p.m. when a BBC television crew was filming myself and + Pat Delgado in a 100-foot diameter circle near Avebury, Wilt- + shire. The troubles began when the camera refused to function + correctly each time it entered the circle and several smaller + circles nearby. Even when elevated on a crane over the edge + of the circles, it wouldn't work. It was agreed to start the + next shot by holding the camera outside the circle, while we + went inside with the sound engineer. As the camera rolled and + sound began taping, suddenly a loud, shrill, warbling noise + blasted into the sound engineer's headset. This was a noise + we had heard before at circle sites. Pat stood near the + center of the circle and felt the effects of an energy field + around him. The cone-shaped energy field was so clearly felt + by him that the edges could be easily defined. Each time Pat + walked out of the cone the buzzing noise cleared up from the + engineer's headset. The noise was recorded and sent to the + BBC's sound experts in London; they, as well as experts at the + Birmingham studio, were baffled by it. The camera was found + to be completely defunct and had to be rebuilt. + + [CA] The event was shown on the BBC's "Daytime Live" + programme. Presumably by coincidence, as the transmission + went on air, the electric supply into the whole studio complex + was momentarily lost and seconds later all telephones were put + out of operation. + + There are anecdotal reports of positive and negative + health effects on people who enter these formations. Busty + Taylor reports that he sometimes feels the fillings in his + teeth hurt in a circle, and he says other people suffer head- + aches and back pains. He and one other person once encoun- + tered a blob of strange white jelly in one circle, and came + down with severe colds three to six hours later. A third + person who was also there, however, remained healthy. There + are also reports of dogs becoming ill when in or near circles + (see "Circular Evidence", p. 65). + + When I entered the formation in picture 4, I had a friend + with me who had had a severe headache for two days. Upon + entering the formation, she felt it go away. It returned soon + after she left the formation. (I, myself, felt nothing in any + of the formations I visited. Nor did I hear anything in the + hearing aids I wear.) There are fields of an electrical or + ionic nature inside the formations, and they could affect + sensitive humans in the ways mentioned. Tooth fillings, for + example, are metal wet by saliva, and might become electrical- + ly charged by induction. + + Terence Meaden writes of four eyewitness reports of + circles forming in daylight before the eyes of surprised + onlookers. In one event, a witness saw corn in a small area + violently buffeted, then rapidly laid flat in a circle 50-60 + feet in diameter (Oxford conference notes, p. 123). Meaden + interprets these as the effects of stationary whirlwinds, but + it is equally possible to postulate a force which either + operates from a great height or acts invisibly. + + As a graduate student in literature, I watch for mention + of circles in the 15th and 16th-century texts I read. Robert + Burton, in his book "Anatomy of Melancholy" (1621), writes: + "These are they [fairies] that dance on heaths and greens, as + Lavater thinks with Trithemius, &, as Olaus Magnus adds, leave + that green circle, which we commonly find in plain fields, + which others hold to proceed from a meteor falling, or some + accidental rankness of the ground; so Nature sports herself" + (p. 168). It could well be, however, that Burton's only + talking about fairy rings, fungal infections which blight + plants in circular patterns. It's hard to draw firm conclu- + sions from this report. + + Update on the hoax theory + ------------------------- + The evidence against hoaxing is compelling. The absence + of physical trampling, the precision of the crop lays, the + rapidity of manufacture, the great numbers and immense sizes + of the formations, the plants' biological changes, the elec- + tromagnetic phenomena of flashing lights and crackling/humming + sounds, the "cones of force" sometimes felt by observers + within the formations, the malfunctions in equipment, the + health effects, the eyewitness reports of circles forming "by + themselves," the apparent human inability to reproduce a + "genuine" circle--all these observations argue against the + hoax theory. + + The Oxford conference + --------------------- + The first conference on the circles was held at Oxford + Polytechnic on June 23, 1990. Organized by TORRO (Tornado and + Storm Research Organization) and CERES (Circles Effect Re- + search Group), its speakers focused on the theory that vor- + tices of spinning plasma in the lower atmosphere are responsi- + ble for the formations. There were over 150 people attending, + among which were professional scientists, circle investiga- + tors, journalists, and members of the public. + + The primary figure at the conference was Terence Meaden, + an Oxford-educated physicist specializing in the study of + atmospheric plasma vortices. He argued that highly electri- + fied, rapidly spinning vortices of air have enough energy to + flatten large areas of crops. Grains of dust and pollen + trapped inside the vortex rub together and generate a substan- + tial electric charge, which increases the total energy borne + by the vortex. Crucial to his theory is the presence of hills + large enough to create wind lees--turbulence--in their wake. + Under the right meterological conditions, air moving past + hills whips into spinning vortices, which travel for some + distance before touching the ground. Their energy dissipates + upon contact, leaving behind a perfect circular formation, + broken up into satellites or rings according to the internal + structure of the vortex. + + Both Colin and I, and many others, find the theory of + natural origin improbable in view of the complexity of the + formations. However, the circles might be made by intelli- + gently controlled vortices of the kind Meaden describes. For + this reason, I think Meaden's physics shouldn't be dismissed + out of hand. + + Meaden also showed slides of a new and rare occurrence - + a raised "cone" of braided plants discovered at the centers of + some circles. The cones appear to be several feet high, and + rule out, Meaden argued, theories involving physical (as + opposed to meterological or electrical) compression from + above. Cones were discovered in 10 of the approximately 300 + circles found in 1989. + + Another speaker was Dr. John Snow of Purdue University, + who gave an informative lecture on the physics of atmospheric + vortices. He showed that under certain circumstances, spin- + ning vortices can spontaneously break up into two or three + vortices. This, Snow suggested, was the mechanism behind the + "triplet" formations of a large circle and two satellites in a + straight line, and, by extension, a potential answer to the + problem of the gigantic quintuplet formations (a large circle + and four satellites.) + + A physicist from Japan, Dr. Yoshi-hiko Ohtsuki, discussed + plasma vortices in nature, which are already well documented + as "ball lightning." His research focuses on the attempt to + create spinning plasma vortices in the laboratory. He showed + films of short-lived (2.5 seconds) but energetic spinning + plasma balls he had succeeded in generating. + + Other speakers were Tokio Kokuchi and Hiroshi Kikuchi + (Japan), David Reynolds (England), and Paul Fuller and Jenny + Randles (England.) Fuller and Randles argued that plasma + vortices can account for virtually all still-unexplained UFO + sightings, and proposed that UFO studies should be considered + a branch of meteorology. + + But many thought the most important speaker was Busty + Taylor. He showed slides and videotapes of recent formations + he had filmed from the air. They were so new that most of the + people in the audience had not seen them. Their impact was + sensational. For many, they made the carefully phrased argu- + ments for a natural cause disintegrate. + + Events outside England + ---------------------- + North America has "caught" the circles. MUFON's April + 1990 issue reports a 7-foot, 8-inch diameter circle discovered + in Gulf Breeze, Florida in November 1989. A 46 1/2 foot + diameter circle was found in Milan, Illinois, on October 16, + 1990 (Chicago Tribune, Oct. 28, 1990, p. 1). I have a letter + from a farmer which sketches a May 31, 1989 discovery of a 20- + by-18 foot diameter circle of uprooted tall grass found near + Anderson, Indiana. + + The October 1990 issue of the Dakota Farmer reports a + formation discovered in Leola, South Dakota, in early August + 1990, consisting of a "reversed question mark" surrounded by + three rectangles arranged on the points of an equilateral + triangle. The "question mark" is about thirty feet wide and + eighty feet long, and consists of plants bent over exactly two + inches above the ground. The width of the affected areas is a + consistent five feet. + + There was highly concentrated activity in 1990 around + Winnipeg, Canada. Chris Rutkowski of Winnipeg has submitted a + preliminary report to MUFON noting at least seven formations. + One circle was 59 feet in diameter, and appeared on August 18, + 1990, near a town called St. Francois Xavier. Another, 62 + feet in diameter, was discovered in Niverville on August 29, + 1990. Most of the reports are of simple circles, though a + triple-ringed circle is said to have been found. + + The TV series "Unsolved Mysteries" keeps a listing of + callers' reports. One caller, from Naples, Florida, reported + a 10-foot circle in a field of tall weeds. Other reports come + from Oregon, Minnesota, Ohio, Tennessee, California, Pennsyl- + vania, and New York State. Most are recent, but some go back + as far as 25 years. + + There is considerable variation in the types of forma- + tions reported in North America. Many are of flattened plants + like the English circles, while others are of burned plants. + In others, the plants are uprooted entirely, leaving a bare + circle of dirt. No one knows whether these formation types + are related. + + Finally, in the UFO literature, going back at least + twenty years, there have been reports of circles in Australia, + America, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, and the Soviet Union. + MUFON's October 1990 issue reports a 35-by-45 meter circle + found on June 21, 1990, near the town of Yeisk (near Krasno- + dar) in the Soviet Union. + + One of the most interesting questions at the present time + is whether the circles phenomenon in other countries will + follow the English pattern. So far, the majority of non- + English formations are simple circles, with a handful of more + exotic shapes. Will the same English shapes as seen in 1990 + appear in Winnipeg in a few years, or will the phenomenon take + a different direction? The South Dakota "reversed question + mark in a triangle" suggests that the latter may be the case. + + A Coded Message? + ---------------- + Do we have a coded message on our hands? Nobody knows, + but much can be done to try to find out. In this section I + will propose some guidelines for such an effort. + + The first thing to consider is whether the circles are a + message. As I see it, there are three possibilities. + + 1. The circles might not be a message. They could be the + side-effect of some intelligently directed process, the way + tire-tracks and footprints are. In that case there would be + no meaning to decode, only a process to discover. + + 2. The circles could be an anti-code, a null code. They + could be intended to convey a message merely by their + presence, like "2001"'s monolith. Their variety and complex- + ity might be meant only to convince humans of their non-natu- + ral origin. If so, there would be no content to decode, only + a awe-inspiring calling-card to contemplate. + + 3. The circles could be a positive code that we can + crack. This is the most interesting idea, and the only one + that can be developed at any length. For the rest of this + discussion, let us abandon the foregoing possibilities, and + assume that the circles are a code. How can we crack it? + + We can apply various kinds of coding strategies to the + formations to see if any work. For convenience, I'll divide + the possible codes into three broad types: "linguistic" codes + ("words"), "figural" codes ("pictures") and "logical" codes + ("sequences"). If we look for linguistic codes, we try to + find ideograms or alphanumeric characters. If we look for + figural codes, we try to find schematic diagrams, pictures of + objects, maps, or works of art. And if we look for logical + codes, we look for mathematical or logical sequences. Let's + look at the particular challenges of each kind of code. + + Linguistic codes + ---------------- + A linguistic code is, of course, either a natural alpha- + betic language like English, a direct isomorphism of it (like + a cryptogram), or an ideographic language (like Chinese.) To + crack such a code, we would need a "Rosetta stone" establish- + ing equivalences between human and alien languages. So far, + of course, we have none. We would have to be given one, or we + would have to find that the formations are adopted from an + obscure or forgotten human language (like Mayan, which they do + superficially resemble.) + + Lacking a Rosetta stone, we might be able build a grammar + of the code on the order of "x always follows y, z is always + part of q", though this would not be a "decoding." But even a + purely relational grammar would be a significant advance. We + may have its raw elements at hand. The circles are composed + of a limited number of elements which are combined and recom- + bined to make a wide variety of formations. So far, the + simple elements--the building blocks--seem to be circle, the + ring, the rectangle, the straight spur, the curved spur, the + partial arc, and the "fork" of two or three prongs. (The + "fork" may be decomposable into overlapping rectangles.) The + elements might be semantically modified by variations in size + and floor lay. The position of the formations relative to the + tramlines, and to the countryside as a whole, could be addi- + tional modifiers. It is certainly possible to look for a + grammar. + + Personally, I am skeptical about the linguistic approach. + The circles are growing increasingly complex, but compared to + human language, they still seem simple. There are many varia- + tions, but they are relatively restricted (take the three + double-dumbbells). Furthermore, if they are linguistic, the + language is an inefficient one. The shapes are highly symmet- + rical, hence highly redundant. If most of the formations were + cut in half lengthwise, they would still convey the same + amount of implicit information; some could be cut in quarters. + If one looks at human language, one will see that nearly all + words and ideograms are asymmetrical. This also holds for + letters; most fonts are serifed, making even "i" and "l" + asymmetric. Symmetry wastes space. Asymmetry maximizes + information content and transmission in a limited space. + + Still, this does not eliminate the linguistic code theo- + ry, for inefficiency can be overcome by length. DNA has only + four base units, but it is very long. The circlemakers, like + Tolkien's Ents, might not care about brevity or efficiency. + + All this being said, we are still left with a basic + question: Why would the circlemakers use such a code at all? + It would have been easy to start with something simple like a + sequence of primes, and build up. The circles may be in- + scrutable for subtle cultural and political reasons, rather + than out of any deficit of sense. Or perhaps we have a defi- + cit of sense: the circlemakers could be sitting around (so to + speak), scratching their heads (so to speak), and wondering, + "What is it with these humans? All the other planets got it + right away." But I prefer to believe that our only deficit is + in the attention we have given to decoding strategies. + + Figural codes + ------------- + Turning to the second broad approach, the formations + could be "pictures." They might be schematic diagrams, say of + molecules, electronic circuits, or constellations. To explore + this possibility, people ought to distribute the pictures as + widely as possible, hoping that somebody somewhere will recog- + nize the code. + + Or the formations might be literal images. They could be + pictures of spacecraft, or alien physiologies, or body mark- + ings, or natural phenomena. As "pictures", however, they seem + rather limited. There is no apparent effort at perspective or + shading. Perhaps they are meant as two-dimensional images, + like projections or shadows. Or perhaps there is a form of + perspective at work, but one quite foreign to our conventions. + (Consider how the Egyptians and the Cubists drew the human + form.) + + Of course, the formations might be diagrams of wholly + unfamiliar objects, in which case we would have no chance of + recognizing them. A more unsettling possibility is that they + are diagrams of quite familiar objects, but drawn by unfamil- + iar conventions. + + Another possibility is that they are symbols of cultural + significance, akin to our crosses and flags. There do appear + to be motifs, such as the quintuplets and dumbbells, which + appear repeatedly with variations. + + Finally, they might be works of art. Certainly some of + them are beautiful enough to be. We could try interpreting + them as such. The double dumbbells look like meditations on + mechanical fluidity; the eye spills from circle to circle, + simultaneously drawn along and slowed down by the forklike + extensions. The overall impression is of arrested motion. + One can visualize the forks spinning round, the dumbbells + gyrating like molecules around centers of gravity. + + If the circles are art, the point is not to produce the + "correct" response; it is to respond, period. Thus a dialogue + opens. It could be that the response to our amazement and + wonder is the creation of even bigger and more beautiful + formations. + + Logical codes + ------------- + The third approach is to look for patterns in the forma- + tions. There do seem to be some. For instance, each double- + dumbbell has a three-pronged "fork" sticking off the largest + circle, with a short spur on the other end of the circle. + Each formation has a two-pronged fork on one of the other + circles. And many of the single dumbbells have either two or + four rectangles flanking the bar. And so on. The question + is: Can we find a logical pattern? If we can, the crucial + test would be to predict subsequent formations. It would be + even better to make a new formation following the rules, and + see if there is a response. + + Program of Action + ----------------- + "Cereology"--the study of the circles--is proceeding (or, + sometimes, not proceeding) along four fronts: publicity, data + collection, data distribution, and data analysis. + + Publicity is crucial, for only when people become deeply + aware of the situation will they be moved to do something + about it. Much has already been accomplished, on TV and in a + number of articles in the mass media (see bibliography). But + more needs to be done in America, since the people who have + the resources to do something--scientists, policymakers, + academics--have not been given enough information to convince + them to act. Nor is information being targeted to the right + places. Thus books need to be distributed to American book- + stores and placed in the science (not New Age, not occult) + sections, and in-depth articles need to be published in jour- + nals like Scientific American and National Geographic. So + far, many upper-rank magazines are unwilling to get involved, + but hopefully this will change as the dimensions of the phe- + nomenon become more widely known. + + Data collection is being done by a relatively small band + of people in England, most of them amateurs. They mount + nighttime surveillance operations like Blackbird, drive around + looking for new formations, do aerial photography, make sur- + face measurements, mount weather stations, analyze plants, and + dowse. (The largest data base of information is held by Colin + Andrews.) But as said before, the number of circles far out- + strips their collective ability to keep up. As for North + America, things still depend on the farmer or reporter who is + willing to take pictures and make measurements, though Winni- + peg seems to be gearing up fast. + + The state of data distribution is difficult to assess + from America. Certainly America gets little of the English + data, though lines of communication are beginning to open. + The CCCS in England is working to establish a clearinghouse of + information. Within North America, people are beginning to + find each other and correspond. But there is still an urgent + need to create a North American and international network of + data distribution. + + Data analysis (mathematical, linguistic, chemical) is + just beginning. Serious work can only take place when the + three other fronts are functioning smoothly. + + There may come a fifth front: response/action. If the + formations constitute a message and we decode it, we may want + to answer, as I suggested above, by tromping plants down to + make patterns ourselves. (Interestingly enough, several days + after the Blackbird hoax, genuine circles appeared in an + adjacent field parallel to the hoaxed formation.) Or if they + constitute blueprints or instructions, then we may want to + start making or doing something. And this, too, would need + organization. + + If the readers of the MUFON journal want to get involved, + the best way is to pick a clearly defined goal for one's + locality. For example, ask local farmers if they have seen + circles on their land, or get the area bookstores to order + some of the books, or persuade the paper or TV station to run + a story, or start giving information to people with resources, + or do data collection, or try to decode the circles + oneself--there's no lack of things to be done. + + There is much to be done, but there is also the need for + strategic patience. It's hard for people to accept that these + luminous forms are truly part of our world. The concept takes + time to sink in. And new concepts often get harsh treatment + at first. Galileo's Ptolemist contemporaries, presented with + a telescope to look at Jupiter's moons, dismissed what they + saw as illusions, or refused to look. Since this kind of + rigidity still exists today, it will take persuasion, publici- + ty, and patience to convince people to look at them with a + more open mind. And if the circles do lead to a conceptual + revolution, the task will be to manage it wisely. + + Send circle reports to MUFON + ---------------------------- + If any readers of this journal know of new formations, + please report them! Document them with photos and measure- + ments if you can, and send the data to MUFON, 103 Oldtowne + Road, Seguin, Texas 78155-4099. + + Acknowledgements + ---------------- + The authors would like to thank Walt Andrus, Paul Bone, + Grant Cameron, Malcolm and Maureen Gilham, Jerrold R. Johnson, + Ludwig and Kathleen Lowenstein, John Salter, Dennis Stacy, and + Don Tuersley for all their help and encouragement. + + + Bibliography and Ordering Information + ------------------------------------- + Americans have to pay high prices for publications available + only from England, since the dollar is weak. There are two + options: make out a check in pounds at a bank, adding two + pounds to cover the extra cost of overseas postage if not + already included, or send a check in dollars at the current + exchange rate, factoring in an extra pound to pay for currency + conversion, and two more to cover postage. These are only + guidelines, based on what's worked for me. + + Citations are alphabetical by first author. + + Books + ----- + Circular Evidence. Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews. London: + Bloomsbury Press, 1989. 190 pp. US price $29.95. One can + order from at least three places: (1) Phanes Press, P.O. Box + 6114, Grand Rapids, MI 49516, tel. (616) 281-1224. (2) Arctu- + rus Book Services, P.O. Box 831383, Stone Mountain, Georgia, + 30083-0023, tel. (404) 297-4624. (3) Trafalgar Square, Ver- + mont, NY, tel. (802) 457-1911. + + The Crop Circles: The Latest Evidence. Pat Delgado and Colin + Andrews. London: Bloomsbury Press, 1990. 80 pp. UK L5.99. + Ordering information as above. + + The Controversy of the Circles. Paul Fuller and Jenny Ran- + dles. UK L4.20. Order from BUFORA, 103 Hove Avenue, Waltham- + stow, London. + + Crop Circles: A Mystery Solved. Paul Fuller and Jenny Ran- + dles. UK L13.95. Robert Hale Ltd., 45-47 Clerkenwell House, + London, EC1R 0HT. + + The Circles Effect and Its Mysteries. George Terence Meaden. + Bradford-on-Avon: Artetech Publishing Company, April 1990 (2nd + ed.) 116 pp. UK L11.95. Order from Artetech, 54 Frome Road, + Bradford-on-Avon, BA15 1LD; tel. 02216 2482. + + Proceedings of the First International Conference on the + Circles Effect. Ed. George Terence Meaden and Derek Elsom. + Copyright TORRO-CERES (Tornado and Storm Research Organiza- + tion-Circles Effect Research Group). 134pp. Conference held + at Oxford Polytechnic on June 23, 1990. Meaden plans to + publish the proceedings in book form, as Circles in the Sky. + + The Crop Circle Enigma. Edited by Ralph Noyes. Bath: Gateway + Books, 1990. 192 pp. $29.95. One can order from at least + four places: (1) The Great Tradition, 11270 Clayton Creek + Road, P.O. Box 108, Lower Lake, CA 95457, tel. (707) 995-3906. + (2) New Leaf Book Distributing Co, 5425 Tulane Drive SW, + Atlanta, GA 30336-2323, tel. (404) 691-6996. (3) Inland Book + Co, P.O. Box 261, East Haven, CT 06512, tel. (203) 467-4257. + (4) Bookpeople, 2929 Fifth Street, Berkeley, CA 94710, tel. + (415) 549-3030. + + Periodicals + ----------- + Circles Phenomenon Research (CPR) Newsletter. Editor: Pat + Delgado. 1-year subscription (4 issues) $24.00. CPR Satel- + lite Office, 117 Ashland Lane, Aurora, OH 44202. Make checks + payable to D.S. Rulison. + + The Crop Watcher. Editor: Paul Fuller. 1-year subscription + (6 issues) UK L13.00 (overseas airmail price.) 3 Selborne + Court, Tavistock Close, Romsey, Hampshire SO51 7TY, England. + + The Circular. Editor: Bob Kingsley. Circulated free. 58 + Kings Road, West End, Woking, Surrey GU24 9LW, England. The + editor requests donation of stamps; American subscribers ought + to send checks for a few dollars. + + Journal of Meteorology. Editor: Terence Meaden. 1-year + overseas subscription (10 issues) UK L55 surface, L65 airmail. + 54 Frome Road, Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, BA15 1LD, England. + + The Cereologist. Published by CCCS (Centre for Crop Circle + Studies). Editor: John Michell. 1-year subscription (3 + issues) UK L7.50, US $18. 11 Powis Gardens, London W11 1JG, + England. + + Selected Bibliography + --------------------- + "Prepare to Meet Thy Drought." Anonymous. Today, July 20, + 1990. (Suggests the multiple pictograms resemble the Sumerian + language or weather-map symbols.) + + "More Circular Evidence." Richard Beaumont. Kindred Spirit, + vol. 1, no. 8, pp. 25-28. (Interview with Colin Andrews. + Discusses electrical, psychic, and historical events associat- + ed with the circles. This is the best single article I've + seen.) + + "Crop Circles: The Mystery Deepens." Richard Beaumont. + Kindred Spirit, vol. 1, no. 12, pp. 32-37. (Summary of the + key developments of the Summer 1990 season, with aerial pho- + tos. Another good article by Beaumont.) + + "UFO Report to Farmers." George Brandsberg. Farm Profit, + July-August 1975. (Discusses scorched patches and long + swathes of sliced-off corn.) + + "Around and Around in Circles." Sally B. Donnelly. Time + Magazine. Sept. 18, 1989, p.50. Letters of response in Oct. + 9th issue, p. 14. (Overview of the phenomenon; three color + pictures.) + + "Mysterious Circles in British Fields Spook the Populace." + Craig Forman. Wall Street Journal, Aug 28, 1989, p. A1. + (Basic overview.) + + "Circles in the fields inspire talk of UFO's." Maria Goodav- + age, USA Today, November 15, 1990, p. 6A. + + "Daylight Close Encounter." Stan Gordon. MUFON UFO Journal, + July 1989, pp. 18-21. (Discusses Pennsylvania UFO sighting + and related circular landing trace.) + + "Retrospective Investigation of a Possible Trace at Mt. Gar- + net". Holly Goriss and Russell Boundy. UFO Research Austra- + lia Newsletter, March-April 1981 (Vol 2. No. 2) pp. 4-6. + (Investigates a 1977 ground marking which looks like a crude + quintuplet.) + + "They never yet could find my measure." Wendy Grossman, New + Scientist, December 1, 1990, pp. 61-2. (Review of The Crop + Circle Enigma.) + + "A Sighting in Saskatchewan." Hynek, J. Allen and Vallee, + Jacques, in The Edge of Reality (Appendix A). The Henry + Regnery Co., 1975. (Discusses Canadian UFO sighting and + related circular flattened areas.) + + "Experts Can't Square Explanations of Circles." Gregory + Jensen. Washington Times, July 27, 1990. Page A1. (Reports + the Blackbird hoax incident. Photo of one of the pictograms.) + + "Circles in the corn." Terence Meaden. New Scientist, June + 23, 1990, 47-9. (Argues for the plasma vortex theory.) + + "The Beckhampton 'Scroll-Type' Circles, The Beckhampton + 'Triangle', and Strange Attractors." Terence Meaden, Journal + of Meteorology (Trowbridge, U.K.), October 1990, pp. 317-320. + + "And Now...Cornfield Circles in Australia!" Paul Norman. + Flying Saucer Review, vol. 35, no. 1 (March Quarter, 1990), + pp. 7-8. (Briefly discusses nine 1980's crop circles in + Beulah, Victoria, between 3 and 16 feet in diameter.) + + "And More Cornfield Circles in Canada." Paul Norman. Flying + Saucer Review, vol. 35, no. 1 (March Quarter, 1990), pp. 8-9. + (Briefly discusses 1989 circles between 6 and 24 meters in + diameter in Manitoba; 2 photos.) + + "Mysterious circles." Andrew Phillips, Macleans, Aug. 13, + 1990, pp. 46-47. + + "The Hertfordshire 'Mowing Devil' Woodcut: A 17th Century + Circle Report?" Jenny Randles. UFO Times, no. 5 (January + 1990), pp. 30-32. (Presents a 1678 woodcut showing a devil + "mowing" a pattern which Randles suggests may be a crop cir- + cle.) + + "Swirled Landing Trace?" Carol and Rex Salisberry. MUFON UFO + Journal, no. 264 (April 1990), pp. 3-7. (A Gulf Breeze crop + circle.) + + "Field Of Dreams?" Dava Sobel. Omni, December 1990, pp. 59- + 128. + + "Graffiti of the Gods?" Dennis Stacy. New Age Journal, + Jan/Feb. 1991, pp. 38-103. (A thorough overview.) + + "Hoping Some Furry Little Creatures Crop Up." Calvin Trillin. + Syndicated newspaper column, August 13, 1990. (A humorous + look at the circles.) + + Multiple stories, multiple authors, Fortean Times, issues 53 + and 55 (sorry, dates not known.) + + Studies + ------- + "North American Crop Circles and Related Physical Traces in + 1990." Released February 1991. 18pp. Conducted by NAICCR + (North American Institute for Crop Circle Research.) For + information, write to NAICCR, 649 Silverstone Avenue, Winni- + peg, Manitoba R3T 2V8, Canada. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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Several other experts put forth other meteorological and +topographical theories on the causes of the mysterious circles. + The circles, nearly perfectly round and ranging from a few yards wide to +half +the length of a football field, appear overnight during the crop-growing +season. +Sometimes their arrival is accompanied by noises and lights, witnesses have +said. + More than 200 have been sighted in Britain this year, most in English corn +fields, the newspaper said. Their unexplained appearances and varied patterns +have led to a variety of popular theories. UFO fans offered them as proof of +extraterrestrial landings a decade ago. Others said drunken farmers or +pranksters were to blame. + But Mead and the other scientists said they believed the cause was much more +down to earth. Meaden said the circles form when a layer of cool air becomes +trapped under warmer air. + A 'trailing vortex' develops in the form of a column of rapidly spinning +air, +Meaden said. When the vortex settles in a field, it sweeps out a ring of damage +as it expands. + John Snow, a professor at Purdue University in Indiana and Tokio Kikuchi of +Kochi University in Tokyo said that the humming and bright lights witnesses +report are the product of electrical charges built up by the friction inside +the +air columns. + The mystery surrounding the circles encouraged some scientists to become +crop +circle experts and has drawn hundreds of circle spotters to tour farmlands. +Farmers have complained of trampled crops left by the spotters. + The circles were mentioned in 17th century accounts and have been found in +the United States, France, Australia and Japan as well as in Britain. England +may have more of the circles because of the combination of the weather fronts +and land features, experts said. + + +--- ConfMail V4.00 + * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's most important computer network (1:30163/1 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1222.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1222.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..768974e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1222.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,659 @@ +SUBJECT: THE SUMMER 1990 CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1222 + + + + + + + by Michael Chorost and Colin Andrews + Aerial photographs by Colin Andrews + Diagrams by Richard G. Andrews + + Published December 1990 + +All paragraphs marked [CA] are by Colin Andrews; the rest are by Michael +Chorost. + + Summer 1990 brought an explosion in the complexity, size, and +number of the crop circles in England. About six hundred were discov- +ered, double the number of 1989. One intriguing early shape was discov- +ered at Longwood Estate on June 6, and dubbed a "quarter-arc" formation +(picture and diagram 1). Another early shape was the first "dumbbell" +formation, discovered on May 23rd near the foot of Telegraph Hill (diagram +2). In its external shape and internal crop lay, it was the most complex +formation ever seen up to that time. + + Many more dumbbells like this followed (see pictures 2-5, and dia- +grams 3-5.) Later in the summer, the "multiple pictograms", complex +formations one-eighth of a mile long, began to appear. They sported odd- +looking forklike extensions, and entourages of smaller circles nearby. +Four of them were discovered in all (see pictures 6-9). + + The new formations were a shock to everybody. Much more than +the circles, rings, and quintuplets of earlier years, they seemed to mean +something, though no one knew what. They seemed both part of the +earth and detached from it, as if they would slide away along the tram- +lines once their anchor-lines were cut. They looked at once cryptic, +fragile, and luminous. + +Discussion of one "dumbbell" formation + + On July 3, six days after it was made, I examined the formation in +picture 4 (and Diagram 4) in detail. It was 48 meters long, so large that +people walking around in it looked like marbles rolling around a plate. It +was made of two circles of wheat flattened along the ground, one with a +ring. They were connected by a bar, inside which the flattened wheat +plants pointed toward the unringed circle. There was a sort of "tail", +more technically called a spur, where the plants pointed in the opposite +direction from the bar. Four rectangles flanked the bar. In the inner +two rectangles, the flattened wheat plants pointed toward the unringed +circle; in the outer two, they pointed the other way. + + The most complex part of this formation was where the bar inter- +sected the ringed circle. The bar crossed the ring and the band of +standing plants, but stopped at the perimeter of the inner circle. In this +area, the plants in the ring lay on top of the bar, meaning that they had +been flattened after the bar was formed (see picture 10). Hence the +formation was made in at least two stages. Also, whatever formed the +ring did not affect the plants already laid down in the bar. While the +ring was being formed after the bar, the bar's plants stayed put; they +were not realigned to become part of the ring. + + The same kind of thing was evident at the other end of the bar, +where it met the unringed circle. The plants in the circle overlapped the +plants in the bar by a few inches, showing that the unringed circle was +also made after the bar. This is a small clue about how these things are +made. They aren't stamped out all at once, cookie-cutter style; instead, +something forms the parts in a definite sequence. + + Most of the plants seemed to be alive and green (young wheat is +green.) However, a friend with me saw that about a third of the plants +whose stems were next to the tramlines had turned yellowish. We could +only speculate that those plants, having gotten less fertilizer, were less +hardy than the rest. + + Strangely, some of the plants inside the formation were not affected +by whatever force flattened their fellows. On either side of the tramline +running through the formation, many plants remained upright (picture 10). +This also occurred in the ring, where isolated individual plants remained +standing here and there, completely unaffected, like lonely survivors of a +massacre. (See also Circular Evidence, p. 133.) Colin speculates that the +formative force may work like a paint roller, flattening plants in strips +and swathes, and thus may miss a plant here and there between passes. + + I was fascinated by the giant rectangles (see picture 11.) Rectan- +gles of a sort have been seen in earlier years, as spurs extending out of +circles (see Circular Evidence, pages 54 and 42.) These, however, were +true rectangles. From the ground, they looked like giant bathtubs. + + In each rectangle, three sides looked as if they had been cut with a +razor. However, the "forward" end of each rectangle--the end to which +the plants pointed--was not straight but jagged, or "notched" (picture +12). Whatever made the rectangles faced a challenge here: how to flatten +the plants right at the end without also knocking down the standing +plants making up that end. It solved the problem by pushing the flat- +tened plants down in bunches between the plants at the end. The stand- +ing plants apppeared unharmed; they stood perfectly upright, and their +leaves were not stripped off. This "notching" effect was also evident at +the end of the "tail." It is a characteristic feature of virtually all rec- +tangular elements. + +1990's surveillance operation: Blackbird + + [CA] Operation Blackbird was the largest surveillance operation ever +conducted to discover and film the cause of the circles. Between 23rd +July and 10th August, 1990, twelve special cameras were focused on a +corridor of land about one mile long and 700 meters wide at Westbury. +The cameras ranged from thermal imaging to low-light, with sensitive +listening devices for good measure. + + [CA] Blackbird netted two significant results. One was the Army's +filming of a "ball of light" above Silbury Hill, near Avebury. The film +shows an orange ball of light in the sky south of Silbury Hill. Its scale +and height are difficult to gauge. It was initially stationary, then moved +slowly to the east, then descended behind a hill, where it shone through +the trees before it was lost to sight. + + Orange balls have been seen before. Richard Beaumont writes of an +orange ball reported on June 29, 1989: + + In the early hours of the morning, a most reliable + source spotted an orange ball of light, about thirty feet + in diameter, descending into a field well known for + circle formations. The eye witness said that it appeared + to bounce slightly as it touched the ground. He also + said that it appeared to have a flat bottom, but assumed + that it must have looked flat because of its descent into + the cereal crop. The ball appeared brighter at the + periphery, although at no point was it a brilliant light. + There was no noise whatsoever. It then took on a + hovering position for about seven to eight seconds, and + simply disappeared, as if one had just turned off a + light bulb...[Colin Andrews and the witness] could refer- + ence where the ball of light must have been exactly. + The next day the local farmer and others rang Colin. A + new formation had formed exactly where the ball of light + was seen! (Beaumont, Kindred Spirit, vol. 1, no. 8, p + 27.) + + + [CA] The other result of Blackbird was the BBC's filming of a set of +circles forming at Westbury during the night of 3rd-4th August. The film +is of poor quality, even after enhancement, but it shows a darkened shape +relating to the largest circle's size and location. In the morning, the +formation was seen to be a large circle with a looping tail pushing out of +it and terminating in a smaller circle about 10 meters away. Two other, +smaller circles were also formed some distance away. + + [CA] The BBC had promised to show both the Army's and its own +films on a special programme, but they now inform me that somebody has +decided that they are not compatible with the "Daytime UK" programme. +The BBC have stated, in fact, that they do not plan to show the films at +all. It is not clear why. + + [CA] Blackbird also suffered from a cruel hoax. During the early +hours of 25th July, several of the 50-strong observers witnessed unusual +lights on one of the monitors. Key researchers, as well as members of UK +and Japanese TV crews, were summoned. As the sun came up, the watch- +ers and press could see that a large and intricate formation had been +made. Breakfast-time TV was on the air, and pressured me to make a +statement. I agreed to do so, and stated on live national television what +the observers had seen and that circles had appeared on the same spot. +Within two hours over 30 TV networks were on the site and the news was +bounced around the world that a UFO had been seen forming the mystery +circles. Later, we walked into the field to view the circles firsthand. We +found that they were all hoaxed, and that the lights on the monitors were +from the hoaxers. Also, crosses and Ouija boards had been left in the +circles by the hoaxers. Lively debate is still heard in the streets and +pubs of the UK about this whole episode; however, genuine formations +continued to form throughout the rest of the summer. + + +Other observations and discoveries + + The number of circles reported has risen steadily in the last few +years. Much of it is due to the rise in monitoring, but the number of +circles per given area also appears to be increasing. According to Ter- +ence Meaden's The Circles Effect and its Mysteries (p. 14) and his article +in the Oxford conference proceedings (p. 22), 75 formations were discov- +ered in 1987, 110 in 1988, and 305 in 1989. In 1990, according to Colin +Andrews, there were about 600 formations.1 The rate of increase presents +obvious problems for the researchers, whose resources were already +strained by the number of formations which appeared in 1990. + + [CA] HSC Laboratories in England have analysed plants taken from a +Celtic-cross formation type found at Blackland, Wiltshire, on 1st June this +year, using a distillation process which crystallizes the plants. Electron +microscope observation showed that the pattern of the crystals was +dramatically different from those of the control samples. A great deal +more work must be done before these early results can be confirmed as +significant. Suffice it to say that three trials have shown similar results +(see The Crop Circles--The Latest Evidence.) + + Electrical equipment continues to malfunction occasionally inside the +circles. Busty Taylor reports that video cameras sometimes fail to record +inside them; the tape advances, but the magnetic head records either +erratically or not at all. Terence Meaden reports that a camera consist- +ently refused to function while pointed down to photograph the center of +a circle, but worked in every other orientation tried (Oxford conference +notes, p. 41). + + [CA] Electromagnetic effects have been experienced on a number of +occasions, not least on Thursday, 10th August 1989, at 3:30 p.m. when a +BBC television crew was filming myself and Pat Delgado in a 100-foot +diameter circle near Avebury, Wiltshire. The troubles began when the +camera refused to function correctly each time it entered the circle and +several smaller circles nearby. Even when elevated on a crane over the +edge of the circles, it wouldn't work. It was agreed to start the next +shot by holding the camera outside the circle, while we went inside with +the sound engineer. As the camera rolled and sound began taping, +suddenly a loud, shrill, warbling noise blasted into the sound engineer's +headset. This was a noise we had heard before at circle sites. Pat stood +near the center of the circle and felt the effects of an energy field +around him. The cone-shaped energy field was so clearly felt by him that +the edges could be easily defined. Each time Pat walked out of the cone +the buzzing noise cleared up from the engineer's headset. The noise was +recorded and sent to the BBC's sound experts in London; they, as well as +experts at the Birmingham studio, were baffled by it. The camera was +found to be completely defunct and had to be rebuilt. + + [CA] The event was shown on the BBC's "Daytime Live" programme. +Presumably by coincidence, as the transmission went on air, the electric +supply into the whole studio complex was momentarily lost and seconds +later all telephones were put out of operation. + + There are anecdotal reports of positive and negative health effects +on people who enter these formations. Busty Taylor reports that he +sometimes feels the fillings in his teeth hurt in a circle, and he says +other people suffer headaches and back pains. He and one other person +once encountered a blob of strange white jelly in one circle, and came +down with severe colds three to six hours later. A third person who was +also there, however, remained healthy. There are also reports of dogs +becoming ill when in or near circles (see Circular Evidence, p. 65). + + When I entered the formation in picture 4, I had a friend with me +who had had a severe headache for two days. Upon entering the forma- +tion, she felt it go away. It returned soon after she left the formation. +(I, myself, felt nothing in any of the formations I visited. Nor did I hear +anything in the hearing aids I wear.) There may be fields of an electrical +or ionic nature inside the formations, and they could affect sensitive +humans in the ways mentioned. Tooth fillings, for example, are metal wet +by saliva, and might become electrically charged by induction. + + Terence Meaden writes of four eyewitness reports of circles forming +in daylight before the eyes of surprised onlookers. In one event, a +witness saw corn in a small area violently buffeted, then rapidly laid flat +in a circle 50-60 feet in diameter (Oxford conference notes, p. 123). +Meaden interprets these as the effects of stationary whirlwinds, but it is +equally possible to postulate a force which either operates from a great +height or acts invisibly. + + As a graduate student in literature, I watch for mention of circles +in the 15th and 16th-century texts I read. Robert Burton, in his book +Anatomy of Melancholy (1621), writes: "These are they [fairies] that dance +on heaths and greens, as Lavater thinks with Trithemius, &, as Olaus +Magnus adds, leave that green circle, which we commonly find in plain +fields, which others hold to proceed from a meteor falling, or some acci- +dental rankness of the ground; so Nature sports herself" (p. 168). It +could well be, however, that Burton's only talking about fairy rings, +fungal infections which blight plants in circular patterns. It's hard to +draw firm conclusions from this report. + +Update on the hoax theory + + The evidence against hoaxing is compelling. The absence of physi- +cal trampling, the precision of the crop lays, the rapidity of manufacture, +the great numbers and immense sizes of the formations, the plants' biolog- +ical changes, the electromagnetic phenomena of flashing lights and crack- +ling/humming sounds, the "cones of force" sometimes felt by observers +within the formations, the malfunctions in equipment, the health effects, +the eyewitness reports of circles forming "by themselves," the apparent +human inability to reproduce a "genuine" circle--all these observations +argue against the hoax theory. + +The Oxford conference + + The first conference on the circles was held at Oxford Polytechnic +on June 23, 1990. Organized by TORRO (Tornado and Storm Research +Organization) and CERES (Circles Effect Research Group), its speakers +focused on the theory that vortices of spinning plasma in the lower +atmosphere are responsible for the formations. There were over 150 +people attending, among which were professional scientists, circle investi- +gators, journalists, and members of the public. + + The primary figure at the conference was Terence Meaden, an +Oxford-educated physicist specializing in the study of atmospheric plasma +vortices. He argued that highly electrified, rapidly spinning vortices of +air have enough energy to flatten large areas of crops. Grains of dust +and pollen trapped inside the vortex rub together and generate a sub- +stantial electric charge, which increases the total energy borne by the +vortex. Crucial to his theory is the presence of hills large enough to +create wind lees--turbulence--in their wake. Under the right meterologi- +cal conditions, air moving past hills whips into spinning vortices, which +travel for some distance before touching the ground. Their energy dissi- +pates upon contact, leaving behind a perfect circular formation, broken up +into satellites or rings according to the internal structure of the vortex. + + Both Colin and I, and many others, find the theory of natural origin +improbable in view of the complexity of the formations. However, the +circles might be made by intelligently controlled vortices of the kind +Meaden describes. For this reason, I think Meaden's physics shouldn't be +dismissed out of hand. + + Meaden also showed slides of a new and rare occurrence - a raised +"cone" of braided plants discovered at the centers of some circles. The +cones appear to be several feet high, and rule out, Meaden argued, theo- +ries involving physical (as opposed to meterological or electrical) compres- +sion from above. Cones were discovered in 10 of the approximately 300 +circles found in 1989. + + Another speaker was Dr. John Snow of Purdue University, who gave +an informative lecture on the physics of atmospheric vortices. He showed +that under certain circumstances, spinning vortices can spontaneously +break up into two or three vortices. This, Snow suggested, was the +mechanism behind the "triplet" formations of a large circle and two satel- +lites in a straight line, and, by extension, a potential answer to the prob- +lem of the gigantic quintuplet formations (a large circle and four satel- +lites.) + + A physicist from Japan, Dr. Yoshi-hiko Ohtsuki, discussed plasma +vortices in nature, which are already well documented as "ball lightning." +His research focuses on the attempt to create spinning plasma vortices in +the laboratory. He showed films of short-lived (2.5 seconds) but energetic +spinning plasma balls he had succeeded in generating. + + Other speakers were Tokio Kokuchi and Hiroshi Kikuchi (Japan), +David Reynolds (England), and Paul Fuller and Jenny Randles (England.) +Fuller and Randles argued that plasma vortices can account for virtually +all still-unexplained UFO sightings, and proposed that UFO studies should +be considered a branch of meteorology. + + But many thought the most important speaker was Busty Taylor. He +showed slides and videotapes of recent formations he had filmed from the +air. They were so new that most of the people in the audience had not +seen them. Their impact was sensational. For many, they made the +carefully phrased arguments for a natural cause disintegrate. + +Events outside England + + North America has "caught" the circles. MUFON's April 1990 issue +reports a 7-foot, 8-inch diameter circle discovered in Gulf Breeze, Florida +in November 1989. A 46 1/2 foot diameter circle was found in Milan, Illi- +nois, on October 16, 1990 (Chicago Tribune, Oct. 28, 1990, p. 1). I have a +letter from a farmer which sketches a May 31, 1989 discovery of a 20-by- +18 foot diameter circle of uprooted tall grass found near Anderson, Indi- +ana. + + The October 1990 issue of the Dakota Farmer reports a formation +discovered in Leola, South Dakota, in early August 1990, consisting of a +"reversed question mark" surrounded by three rectangles arranged on +the points of an equilateral triangle. The "question mark" is about thirty +feet wide and eighty feet long, and consists of plants bent over exactly +two inches above the ground. The width of the affected areas is a con- +sistent five feet. + + There was highly concentrated activity in 1990 around Winnipeg, +Canada. Chris Rutkowski of Winnipeg has submitted a preliminary report +to MUFON noting at least seven formations. One circle was 59 feet in +diameter, and appeared on August 18, 1990, near a town called St. Fran- +cois Xavier. Another, 62 feet in diameter, was discovered in Niverville on +August 29, 1990. Most of the reports are of simple circles, though a +triple-ringed circle is said to have been found. + + The TV series Unsolved Mysteries keeps a listing of callers' reports. +One caller, from Naples, Florida, reported a 10-foot circle in a field of tall +weeds. Other reports come from Oregon, Minnesota, Ohio, Tennessee, +California, Pennsylvania, and New York State. Most are recent, but some +go back as far as 25 years. + + There is considerable variation in the types of formations reported +in North America. Many are of flattened plants like the English circles, +while others are of burned plants. In others, the plants are uprooted +entirely, leaving a bare circle of dirt. No one knows whether these +formation types are related. + + Finally, in the UFO literature, going back at least twenty years, +there have been reports of circles in Australia, America, Canada, New +Zealand, Japan, and the Soviet Union. MUFON's October 1990 issue reports +a 35-by-45 meter circle found on June 21, 1990, near the town of Yeisk +(near Krasnodar) in the Soviet Union. + + One of the most interesting questions at the present time is whether +the circles phenomenon in other countries will follow the English pattern. +So far, the majority of non-English formations are simple circles, with a +handful of more exotic shapes. Will the same English shapes as seen in +1990 appear in Winnipeg in a few years, or will the phenomenon take a +different direction? The South Dakota "reversed question mark in a +triangle" suggests that the latter may be the case. + +New publications + + At least two new books came out this fall, and more may be on the +way. The Centre for Crop Circle Studies (CCCS) has just published The +Crop Circle Enigma, edited by Ralph Noyes, with contributions by Richard +G. Andrews (no relation to Colin), Terence Meaden, and Busty Taylor, +among others. Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado have just published The +Crop Circles: The Latest Evidence, an 80-page paperback with color photos +of this summer's formations. + + Terence Meaden is planning to publish his second book on the cir- +cles, containing the Oxford conference proceedings and other material. + + There are now at least two periodicals devoted to the circles. One +is the Circles Phenomenon Research Newsletter, a quarterly edited by Pat +Delgado. The other is The Cereologist, a thrice-yearly magazine published +by the Centre for Crop Circle Studies, under the editorship of John +Michell. The Cereologist's first issue came out in September 1990, and it +has been well received. Among other things, it has given this fledgling +field a name, "cereology." (See bibliography for ordering information on +all items.) + +A Coded Message? + + Do we have a coded message on our hands? Nobody knows, but +much can be done to try to find out. In this section I will propose some +guidelines for such an effort. + + The first thing to consider is whether the circles are a message. +As I see it, there are three possibilities. + + 1. The circles might not be a message. They could be the side- +effect of some intelligently directed process, the way tire-tracks and +footprints are. In that case there would be no meaning to decode, only a +process to discover. + + 2. The circles could be an anti-code, a null code. They could be +intended to convey a message merely by their presence, like 2001's mono- +lith. Their variety and complexity might be meant only to convince +humans of their non-natural origin. If so, there would be no content to +decode, only a awe-inspiring calling-card to contemplate. + + 3. The circles could be a positive code that we can crack. This is +the most interesting idea, and the only one that can be developed at any +length. For the rest of this discussion, let us abandon the foregoing +possibilities, and assume that the circles are a code. How can we crack +it? + + We can apply various kinds of coding strategies to the formations to +see if any work. For convenience, I'll divide the possible codes into +three broad types: linguistic codes ("words"), figural codes ("pictures") +and logical codes ("sequences"). If we look for linguistic codes, we try to +find ideograms or alphanumeric characters. If we look for figural codes, +we try to find schematic diagrams, pictures of objects, maps, or works of +art. And if we look for logical codes, we look for mathematical or logical +sequences. Let's look at the particular challenges of each kind of code. + + Linguistic codes + + A linguistic code is, of course, either a natural alphabetic language +like English, a direct isomorphism of it (like a cryptogram), or an ideo- +graphic language (like Chinese.) To crack such a code, we would need a +"Rosetta stone" establishing equivalences between human and alien lan- +guages. So far, of course, we have none. We would have to be given +one, or we would have to find that the formations are adopted from an +obscure or forgotten human language (like Mayan, which they do superfi- +cially resemble.) + + + Lacking a Rosetta stone, we might be able build a grammar of the +code on the order of "x always follows y, z is always part of q", though +this would not be a "decoding." But even a purely relational grammar +would be a significant advance. We may have its raw elements at hand. +The circles are composed of a limited number of elements which are +combined and recombined to make a wide variety of formations. So far, +the simple elements--the building blocks--seem to be circle, the ring, the +rectangle, the straight spur, the curved spur, the partial arc, and the +"fork" of two or three prongs. (The "fork" may be decomposable into +overlapping rectangles.) The elements might be semantically modified by +variations in size and floor lay. The position of the formations relative to +the tramlines, and to the countryside as a whole, could be additional +modifiers. It is certainly possible to look for a grammar. + + Personally, I am skeptical about the linguistic approach. The circles +are growing increasingly complex, but compared to human language, they +still seem simple. There are many variations, but they are relatively +restricted (take the three double-dumbbells). Furthermore, if they are +linguistic, the language is an inefficient one. The shapes are highly +symmetrical, hence highly redundant. If most of the formations were cut +in half lengthwise, they would still convey the same amount of implicit +information; some could be cut in quarters. If one looks at human lan- +guage, one will see that nearly all words and ideograms are asymmetrical. +This also holds for letters; most fonts are serifed, making even "i" and +"l" asymmetric. Symmetry wastes space. Asymmetry maximizes information +content and transmission in a limited space. + + Still, this does not eliminate the linguistic code theory, for ineffi- +ciency can be overcome by length. DNA has only four base units, but it +is very long. The circlemakers, like Tolkien's Ents, might not care about +brevity or efficiency. + + All this being said, we are still left with a basic question: Why +would the circlemakers use such a code at all? It would have been easy +to start with something simple like a sequence of primes, and build up. +The circles may be inscrutable for subtle cultural and political reasons, +rather than out of any deficit of sense. Or perhaps we have a deficit of +sense: the circlemakers could be sitting around (so to speak), scratching +their heads (so to speak), and wondering, "What is it with these humans? +All the other planets got it right away." But I prefer to believe that our +only deficit is in the attention we have given to decoding strategies. + + Figural codes + + Turning to the second broad approach, the formations could be +"pictures." They might be schematic diagrams, say of molecules, electron- +ic circuits, or constellations. To explore this possibility, people ought to +distribute the pictures as widely as possible, hoping that somebody some- +where will recognize the code. + + Or the formations might be literal images. They could be pictures +of spacecraft, or alien physiologies, or body markings, or natural phenom- +ena. As "pictures", however, they seem rather limited. There is no +apparent effort at perspective or shading. Perhaps they are meant as +two-dimensional images, like projections or shadows. Or perhaps there is +a form of perspective at work, but one quite foreign to our conventions. +(Consider how the Egyptians and the Cubists drew the human form.) + + + Of course, the formations might be diagrams of wholly unfamiliar +objects, in which case we would have no chance of recognizing them. A +more unsettling possibility is that they are diagrams of quite familiar +objects, but drawn by unfamiliar conventions. + + Another possibility is that they are symbols of cultural significance, +akin to our crosses and flags. There do appear to be motifs, such as the +quintuplets and dumbbells, which appear repeatedly with variations. + + Finally, they might be works of art. Certainly some of them are +beautiful enough to be. We could try interpreting them as such. The +double dumbbells look like meditations on mechanical fluidity; the eye +spills from circle to circle, simultaneously drawn along and slowed down +by the forklike extensions. The overall impression is of arrested motion. +One can visualize the forks spinning round, the dumbbells gyrating like +molecules around centers of gravity. + + If the circles are art, the point is not to produce the "correct" +response; it is to respond, period. Thus a dialogue opens. It could be +that the response to our amazement and wonder is the creation of even +bigger and more beautiful formations. + + Logical codes + + The third approach is to look for patterns in the formations. There +do seem to be some. For instance, each double-dumbbell has a three- +pronged "fork" sticking off the largest circle, with a short spur on the +other end of the circle. Each formation has a two-pronged fork on one of +the other circles. And many of the single dumbbells have either two or +four rectangles flanking the bar. And so on. The question is: Can we +find a logical pattern? If we can, the crucial test would be to predict +subsequent formations. It would be even better to make a new formation +following the rules, and see if there is a response. + +Program of Action + + "Cereology"--the study of the circles--is proceeding (or, sometimes, +not proceeding) along four fronts: publicity, data collection, data distribu- +tion, and data analysis. + + Publicity is crucial, for only when people become deeply aware of +the situation will they be moved to do something about it. Much has +already been accomplished, on TV and in a number of articles in the mass +media (see bibliography). But more needs to be done in America, since +the people who have the resources to do something--scientists, policymak- +ers, academics--have not been given enough information to convince them +to act. Nor is information being targeted to the right places. Thus books +need to be distributed to American bookstores and placed in the science +(not New Age, not occult) sections, and in-depth articles need to be pub- +lished in journals like Scientific American and National Geographic. So +far, many upper-rank magazines are unwilling to get involved, but hope- +fully this will change as the dimensions of the phenomenon become more +widely known. + + Data collection is being done by a relatively small band of people in +England, most of them amateurs. They mount nighttime surveillance +operations like Blackbird, drive around looking for new formations, do +aerial photography, make surface measurements, mount weather stations, +analyze plants, and dowse. (The largest data base of information is held +by Colin Andrews.) But as said before, the number of circles far out- +strips their collective ability to keep up. As for North America, things +still depend on the farmer or reporter who is willing to take pictures and +make measurements, though Winnipeg seems to be gearing up fast. + + The state of data distribution is difficult to assess from America. +Certainly America gets little of the English data, though lines of communi- +cation are beginning to open. The CCCS in England is working to estab- +lish a clearinghouse of information. Within North America, people are +beginning to find each other and correspond. But there is still an urgent +need to create a North American and international network of data distri- +bution. + + Data analysis (mathematical, linguistic, chemical) is just beginning. +Serious work can only take place when the three other fronts are func- +tioning smoothly. + + There may come a fifth front: response/action. If the formations +constitute a message and we decode it, we may want to answer, as I +suggested above, by tromping plants down to make patterns ourselves. +(Interestingly enough, several days after the Blackbird hoax, genuine +circles appeared in an adjacent field parallel to the hoaxed formation.) Or +if they constitute blueprints or instructions, then we may want to start +making or doing something. And this, too, would need organization. + + If the readers of the MUFON journal want to get involved, the best +way is to pick a clearly defined goal for one's locality. For example, ask +local farmers if they have seen circles on their land, or get the area +bookstores to order some of the books, or persuade the paper or TV +station to run a story, or start giving information to people with re- +sources, or do data collection, or try to decode the circles +oneself--there's no lack of things to be done. + + There is much to be done, but there is also the need for strategic +patience. It's hard for people to accept that these luminous forms are +truly part of our world. The concept takes time to sink in. And new +concepts often get harsh treatment at first. Galileo's Ptolemist contempo- +raries, presented with a telescope to look at Jupiter's moons, dismissed +what they saw as illusions, or refused to look. Since this kind of rigidity +still exists today, it will take persuasion, publicity, and patience to con- +vince people to look at them with a more open mind. And if the circles +do lead to a conceptual revolution, the task will be to manage it wisely. + +Send circle reports to MUFON + + If any readers of this journal know of new formations, please report +them! Document them with photos and measurements if you can, and send +the data to MUFON, 103 Oldtowne Road, Seguin, Texas 78155-4099. + + I would also appreciate getting a copy of the report. Please send it +to me at: + + Michael Chorost + North American Circle + + + + + + + P.O. Box 61144 + Durham, NC 27715-1144 + +Acknowledgements + + The authors would like to thank Walt Andrus, Paul Bone, Grant +Cameron, Malcolm and Maureen Gilham, Jerrold R. Johnson, Ludwig and +Kathleen Lowenstein, John Salter, Dennis Stacy, and Don Tuersley for all +their help and encouragement. + + + +Notes + +(1) These numbers should be treated with caution, since I am not familar +with how researchers count circles. Is a quintuplet formation counted as +one "circle" or five? Are "grapeshot" circles (very small circles less than +a meter in diameter) counted separately? Do the various researchers +count circles in the same way? These questions need to be investigated. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1223.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1223.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5ebd0909 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1223.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +SUBJECT: CIRCLE EXPLAINATION FILE: UFO1223 + + + + LONDON (UPI) -- International experts said the mysterious crop circles +appearing in Britain and around the world are the work of Mother Nature, not +aliens from outer space or pranksters, according to a report published +Sunday. + The newspaper Independent on Sunday said speakers at the first +international conference in Oxford on the phenomena of crop circles said +weather and topography cause the flattened circles which suddenly appear in +fields. + 'They seem to form in conditions of warm days and cold nights when a +temperature inversion is established,' said Terence Meaden, head of Britain's +Tornado and Storm Research Organizaion. + Meaden was one of 150 scientists and UFO enthusiasts at the Circles Effect +Phenomena Conference. Several other experts put forth other meteorological +and topographical theories on the causes of the mysterious circles. + The circles, nearly perfectly round and ranging from a few yards wide to +half the length of a football field, appear overnight during the crop-growing +season. Sometimes their arrival is accompanied by noises and lights, witnesses +have said. + More than 200 have been sighted in Britain this year, most in English corn +fields, the newspaper said. Their unexplained appearances and varied patterns +have led to a variety of popular theories. UFO fans offered them as proof of +extraterrestrial landings a decade ago. Others said drunken farmers or +pranksters were to blame. + But Mead and the other scientists said they believed the cause was much +more down to earth. Meaden said the circles form when a layer of cool air +becomes trapped under warmer air. + A 'trailing vortex' develops in the form of a column of rapidly spinning +air, Meaden said. When the vortex settles in a field, it sweeps out a ring of +damage as it expands. + John Snow, a professor at Purdue University in Indiana and Tokio Kikuchi +of Kochi University in Tokyo said that the humming and bright lights witnesses +report are the product of electrical charges built up by the friction inside +the air columns. + The mystery surrounding the circles encouraged some scientists to become +crop circle experts and has drawn hundreds of circle spotters to tour +farmlands. Farmers have complained of trampled crops left by the spotters. + The circles were mentioned in 17th century accounts and have been found in +the United States, France, Australia and Japan as well as in Britain. England +may have more of the circles because of the combination of the weather fronts +and land features, experts said. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1224.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1224.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0d2efcb0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1224.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND FILE: UFO1224 + + + + +Article 1136 of alt.alien.visitors:From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert +Trevelyan)Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitorsSubject: Crop Circles in +WiltshireMessage-ID: <1991Aug02.160751.21978@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>Date: 2 +Aug 91 16:07:51 GMTSender: rob@aixssc.ibm.co. +uk (Robert Trevelyan)Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, +UK.Lines: 62 On July 17 the largest and most extraordinary of all +pictograms appeared in a wheatfield below Barbury Castle, an Iron age +hill-fort near Swindon. Nothing had been in +the field at Barbury Castle at 9 p.m the previous evening when local +pilot had flown over it .The formationconsists of an enormous +equilateral triangle (with side of about 180 ft)which encloses a +doubly-ringed circle. Rings are widely separatedand ea +ch about 7 ft wide. Each angle of the triangle is bisected by pathways +leading from the centre of the formation to circular designs, each +different, beyond each apex. One design is a plain ring (38 ft diam). +The second is a ring of similar size like +a flower with six petals. The third is a spiral which opens out in six +steps, like a ratchet, each time it turns through 90 degrees; this is +of similar size to the other designs. Obviously Meaden's theory +that the circles are caused by a naturally + occurring atmospheric vortex could not possibly survive acceptance of +this great geometric design as the genuine phenomenon, and the next +day he made a statement to the media to the effect that he believed it +a hoax. This was inevitable. However all + the other researchers are in complete agreement that the pictogram is +genuine and represents yet another stage in the evolution of this +bizarre phenomenon. Apart from physical characteristics being the +same, the dowsing reactions in the pictogram ar +e very strong and definite. The whole formation seems to be charged +with an almost tangible energy. A keen circles watcher had been +cropwatching with two friends at Beckhampton at about midnight when +they had seen a pulsing light moving silently acr +oss the sky. During the course of the next hour they saw five more +such objects, some white and some pulsing green, red and white. All +were silent though at times they seemed comparatively close to where +they stood. At one time a dark object flew swi +ftly and silently overhead, blotting out the stars. The three were +quite frightened by this strange display, and likened what they'd seen +to a sequence from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". Some of +their sightings were in the direction of Barbu +ry Castle which is just five miles away, but at the time of telling +this story were quite unaware of what had been found in the fields. +Other reports are still being received of anomalous lights in the sky +in that area on that night. In the morn +ing two other pictograms were also found within about three miles of +the magnificent one at Barbury Castle. On the following night it is +reported that Wroughton, a town about two miles away, was shaken by a +loud aerial explosion which caused all the +lights to go out, and cars failed to start. The area rapidly filled +with army vehicles which appeared to be looking for something, but the +power soon came back on again and normality was restored. What is +going on in this part of Wiltshire ??? + +-------------------------------------------------------------------+| +DISCLAIMER: || The views expressed in +this document are not a corporate view || nor reflect the views of +my employer by an +y means but are my || own personal views on this subject . +|| +|| Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk || AIX +Communications VNET: TREVELR + at BASVM2 || Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 |+----------------- +--------------------------------------------------+ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1225.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1225.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1256f9c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1225.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRLCES FOR FUN AND PROFIT FILE: UFO1225 + + + + +An experiment: Walk into your wheat field with a small brick +with a hole in it and a twenty foot rope. Stand in the somewhere +in the middle and twirl the brick at the end of the rope over +your head and slowly work your way down. Invest an hour or so of +work, choose a light brick or stone to lighten your burden. +Better yet, start with a heavy one to hack and slash the first +layers and then degrade to a lighter one for finer touches. +Remember, only spin the weight in *one* direction. Then go to a +hill and see if you did a good job. Work at it and improve your +technique. In time, try different stone weights and line types +to increase your effective radius of crop destruction. Heck, in +no time you can do it in the dead of night... if anyone comes upon +the scene investigating the unearthly "wooshing" sounds, simply +let go of the line and the evidence immediately plummets out of +sight through the wheat. "Gosh, look here at this circle I just +found... and did you see that UFO that was here a minute ago?" + +Next, setup a stand selling camera film, meteors, UFO books, and +beer... then telephone the National Enquirer. Its sure to top any +proceeds from last year's roadside produce stand! + +* * * * * * +Maybe, its significant that the reported crop circles started off +small and slowly got larger? Maybe it took some experimentation +or muscle building to get the really photogenic results? + +Heck, I'll make snow-angels if y'all want to get all excited over +them and photograph and speculate about them... but the beers +gonna cost you! 8-) + + +If you like this one, maybe I'll explain the South American "Landing Fields" +and animal markings... naaawwww, that's worth a good article. Maybe even a +computer simulation... + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1226.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1226.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c7263fa7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1226.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN THE UNITED KINGDOM FILE: UFO1226 + + + +Article 1295 of alt.alien.visitors:Path: bilver!tarpit!ge- +dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!qmw-dcs!icdoc!ibmassc!robFrom: +rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)Newsgroups: +alt.alien.visitorsSubject: Crop Circles in the UKMessage-ID: +<1991Aug08.183352.3223 +6@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>Date: 8 Aug 91 18:33:52 GMTSender: +rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)Organization: IBM AIX Systems +Support Centre, UK.Lines: 79 On Tuesday of last week an entirely +new crop formation appeared for the first time near West Wo +ods, Lockeridge. From the air this looks like an enormous fish, whale +or dolphin 200 ft long. At each end straight pathways of flattened +crop lead out into the centre of large rings 60 ft in diameter. The +two paths are co-linear and form the central +axis of the formation about which it is symmetrical. On either side of +this great fish-shape are other pathways each slanted backwards at 45 +deg. These have the appearance of flippers, or perhaps the dorsal and +ventral fins of this marine animal. + Whether this represents a whale, a dolphin or other fish, hooked +between two great rings is not clear. Certainly the elongated tapering +body which which has filled out from a swirled circle at its centre is +something never previously seen. Last Thu +rsday a further identical formation appeared near Beckhampton, three +miles away. One interesting facet is that the plain ring with a +straight path to its centre is one element of the "unbelievable" +pictogram at Barbury Castle, which Dr Meaden has had + to say is a hoax. On Thursday a friend of mine was being +interviewed for a Channel 4 documentary in the first "whale" at +Lockeridge. This proved almost impossible due to the noise of +helicopters and microlights above. He met Robert Watts who wa +s trying to film the formation for his new movie at the same time. He +is a film-maker who helped George Lucas produce 'Star Wars' and who +made movies like 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom', etc. His +colossal helicopter which roared overhead, and + to which he gave instructions through a walkie- talkie, made the +Robinson my friend was in look like a toy. Footage of the Circles +will be used in his latest movie, 'Once upon a time in the Universe', +which will be released in late 1992. Above +in the helicopter they were using a fabulously expensive VistaVision +movie camera, one of only three in the world. Talking to him later +they discovered that he was extremely knowledgable about the circles +and had a very good insight into the circles +nature .My friend was flattered to hear that he attributed this to +some extent to what he had written in 'The Crop Circle Enigma'. +(Published by CCCS) In the last few days two more similar +formations have appeared in the Silbury Hill area. The la +test ones are smaller and have the end rings over- lapping the +tapering ends of the "fish-body". The two flippers are missing. One of +these formations is near the end of Stone Avenue, an avenue of menhirs +running S. from the great Stone Circle at Ave +bury. The connection between the dowsable energy lines which run +through this Stone Circle and along Stone Avenue and the new +formations seems undoubted. This is immediately next to the energy +line whose remarkable variations had been dowsed during t +he earlier months of this year. And beside this new formation is a +precise semicircle which is also something not previously seen. +Reports are coming in of circles and larger formations in +Cambridgeshire, Nottinghamshire, Cornwall, Kent, Essex, Buck +inghamshire and Hampshire all of which have been found in the last few +days. There are many different shapes, some completely new like the +strange curly designs being found near Cheesefoot Head. A quincunx +formation in which one of the four satellit +es is replaced by a triangle has appeared near Chequers, a Prime +Ministerial residence near High Wycombe. I am told that the arrow-like +triangle points straight at Chequers. There is a few formations in +Cambridgeshire last weekend. Just a simple pic +togram or two at Sutton near Ely where circles have never previously +appeared and a magnificent 200ft diameter ring (10 ft wide) where the +standing wheat in the middle is quite undisturbed. The latter, at +Elton, was found one year to the day after a +similar formation in the same place in 1990. The field where this ring +and a smaller ring and circle are situated is right over the site of +ancient Durobrivae, the second largest settlement in Roman Britain.+-- +---------------------------------------- +-------------------------+| DISCLAIMER: +|| The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view +|| nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my +|| own personal vi +ews on this subject . || +|| Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk || AIX +Communications VNET: TREVELR at BASVM2 || Voice: +44- +(0)256-5 +6144 |+----------------------------------------------------------- +--------+ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1227.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1227.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bbf49b7d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1227.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +SUBJECT: SCIENTIST'S WATCH CIRCLES DEVELOPE FILE: UFO1227 + + + +=START= XMT: 11:41 Wed Jul 25 EXP: 12:00 Wed Aug 01 + +SCIENTISTS RECORD FLASHES AS MYSTERY CIRCLES FORM IN ENGLISH CORNFIELDS + +LONDON (JULY 25) REUTER - Excited scientists said they recorded evidence on +Wednesday that could solve the centuries-old mystery of circles in English +cornfields which have aroused speculation of visitors from outer space. + +Experts filmed two big circles being made during the night amid a barrage of +unexplained flashing lights in a field in the southern county of Wiltshire. + +It was the first known recording of the formation of symmetrical circles that +have puzzled Englishmen since the Middle Ages. + +Theories of what causes them range from earthworms to whirlwinds to spaceships. +In medieval times, countryfolk believed they were the work of the Devil. + +Scientists from Britain, Japan, West Germany and the United States monitored +Wiltshire cornfields round the clock this week with thermal imagers and +low-light cameras. + +On Wednesday, they recorded two circles being made, one about 100 metres (330 +feet) across, the other half that size, said Colin Andrews, leader of the +project coordinated by the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). + +Analyzing their recordings hours later, they sent in helicopters to take +daylight pictures of the find and said they had made a significant scientific +discovery. + +''We do have a major event here, very much excitment as you can imagine,'' +Andrews said. ''We do have two major ground markings in front of all the +surveillance equipment performing absolutely to form,'' he told BBC television. + +''We had a situation at approximately 3.30 this morning on monitor -- a number +of orange lights taking the approximate form of a triangle and within that +triangular form was a second triangle,'' Andrews said. + +''We had many lights, following that a whole complex arrangement of lights +doing all sorts of funny things. It's a complex situation, we are actually +analysing it at this very moment. But there is undoubtedly something here for +science.'' + +Andrews said the circles could not be a hoax. + +''We have high-quality equipment here and we have indeed secured on +high-quality equipment a major event,'' he said. + +Asked what caused the circles, Andrews said: ''As you can imagine, this only +happened some hours ago. We have experts arriving by the minute here now to +analyze this. We do have something of great, great significance.'' + +Describing the circles, he said: ''One formation is about 100 metres in +diameter, a circle with two satellites and two concentric rings, another +brother nearby about 50 per cent of the size of its nearby neighbour.'' + +Andrews said the field had been cordoned off. ''We're doing nothing more now +until we have helicopters over the top to film in detail what we have before +anybody enters that field.'' + +The authoritative New Scientist journal published an article last month which +said corn circles, more than 300 of which appeared last year, were caused by +weather conditions creating whirlwinds and electrical discharges in the +atmosphere. + +Author Terence Meaden said his theory could explain flashing lights seen by +eyewitnesses and patterns of flattened corn. + +=END= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1228.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1228.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8027a924 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1228.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,260 @@ +SUBJECT: A UPDATE ON CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1228 + + + + MUFONET-BBS Network - Mutual UFO Network + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + FIELD OF DREAMS? - AN UPDATE ON THE CIRCLE PHENOMENA + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +[Contributed by Georgia MUFON] + +Not far from the mysterious ring of ancient megaliths at Stonehedge, a new +phenomenon is sculpting circles in the cornfields of Southern England. More +than 400 times last summer, an unseen agent blew across growing crops, +creating circular patterns in the fields. The phenomenon almost always +occurred at night, sometimes accompanied by a warbling sound and a moving +orange light. + +Inside each perfectly drawn circumference, the corn lies bent but not broken, +with its still-growing stalks swept into a matted and sometimes woven pinwheel +--turning now clockwise, now counter-clockwise. When viewed form the air, +many of the circles form complex patterns, arrayed as rings within rings, +bull's-eye-style, for example, or of chains of giant beads connected by bars +and embellished with exterior arcs. If a circle is laid down early in the +season, when the crop is green, the rapidly growing stalks soon pick +themselves up and grow straight again, so that the circle fades from sight +until it appears only faintly etched into the vegetation. Once in a while, a +circle forms with such force that plants are apparently blasted out of the +center. + +Researchers from all over the world are struggling to understand what causes +the phenomenon and have written at least half a dozen books about the circles- +but no one has arrived at the definitive explanation. The conflicting +theories, amassing almost as quickly as the circles themselves, cover +everything from extraterrestrial visitors and the testing of star-wars weapons +technology to tornado-like atmospheric conditions and plain old-fashioned +hoaxing. + +The excitement over the fields is recent, but the phenomenon itself turns out +to have a long history in the English croplands. Indeed, many legends from +the Middle Ages refer to circles that formed in fields overnight. Back then, +pundits talked of fairies dancing through the corn, or of mowing devils who +came in the night and cut the crops in rings. Over the centuries, some +scientists say, circles have been laid down continually. But they have been +seen only occasionally and reported rarely. Today, with journalists, +researchers and tourists literally combing the countryside for crop circles, +more and more have been found. + +Although circles have since been spotted in parts of the United States, +Canada, and Australia, most have cropped up in a area of England called the +Wessex Corridor or Wessex Triangle--a triangular tract of land about 40 miles +on each leg in the southern-central part of the country. Over the past ten +summers, the phenomenon has become increasingly widespread, with the circles +forming more and more frequently, in more numerous locations, and in even more +intriguing patterns. + +Some of the patterns developed over time, as in the case of a large circle +found last May with three concentric rings around it. Days later, airborne +observers spotted a fourth ring a thousand feet wide and embracing the others +in its circumference, leading some people to speculate that a peculiar fungus +or virus was responsible. Others have attributed the patterns to hedge-hogs, +perhaps, or even hippies. + +"It is a mystery," concedes Colin Andrews, an electrical engineer and local +government official in Hampshire, who describes himself as one of the three +foremost researchers on the circle phenomenon. Andrews brings a brisk, +British enthusiasm to bear on the problem, but his style of study has earned +him a lot of enemies in the global scientific establishment. Some claim that +his book on the subject, "Circular Evidence", co-authored with Pat Delgado, is +rife with circular reasoning. For the record, Andrews says, "There is no +question at all that the phenomenon is beyond physics and science as we know +it to be." + +"There is now an extraordinary amount of data leaning heavily in the direction +of some form of intelligence," says Andrews. I'm not saying extraterrestrial +intelligence. But I don't rule out extraterrestrial intelligence." The +evidence for this equivocal comment is what Andrews calls the "precise +placement" of the circles. They never haphazardly lap over the edge of a +field, he points out, though some circles stretch hundreds of feet in +diameter. Instead, they array themselves to within a fraction of an inch of +roadways or hillsides as though they'd been placed there by an unseen hand. + +Andrews tried to get the drop on the circle makers last July and August with +his Operation Blackbird--a surveillance effort he set up on the Salisbury +Plain, in the heart of circle country. His scientific equipment consisted of +thermal imaging cameras, infrared and low-light cameras, and tape recorders. +Andrews himself was home in bed when the excitement unfolded in the form of +flashing lights on one of the monitors, but a telephone call quickly summoned +him to the site at 4:00 am. + +At sunrise the observers could see circles alright, in the fields where the +lights had been, but they turned out to be the handiwork of hoaxers. The +thermal imaging cameras had picked up the body heat of the pranksters. + +"our location had been known," Andrews notes ruefully. (This is hardly +surprising, because the British press grants ample coverage to Colin Andrew's +ideas and activities.) + +Shortly after the grounding of Operation Blackbird, Andrews notes, British +Army researchers got film footage of an orange light in the sky moving slowly +to the east, dipping down to ground level, and then picking up speed before +disappearing behind a dense forest. On the morrow, several circles appeared +in the path of the orange light. The film may air in a BBC special. + +Other investigators disagree with Andrews and Delgado. Terence Meaden, an +atmospheric physicist and founder of the Tornado and Storm Research +Organization (TORRO) as well as the Circles Effect Research Group (CERES) +says, "Their belief in a paranormal presence not only attracts hoaxers but +makes it very hard for me to convince the scientists of the world that these +circles merit serious study." Meaden first laid eyes on two corn circles some +five miles from his Wiltshire home in August of 1980. He immediately fired +off a short scientific paper explaining them in meteorological terms and has +been refining his theory ever since: the circles are caused by whirlwinds, +Meaden believes, that break down, hit the ground, and weave the crops into the +tangled patterns of their spiraling winds. + +Electrical forces are also involved, Meaden adds. As the vortex sucks in air, +it strips electrons off the molecules, turning them into ions that glow in the +dark. Airborne particles of pollen, dust and sea salt hovering over the +fields accelerate the buildup of electric charge inside the whirlwind, making +it hum and shimmer with orange, yellow or red light. From a distance, the +bulge in the whirlwind may look like ball lightning, and it's noise may sound +similar to humming, buzzing, or even a siren's wail. + +Numerous other researchers embrace Meaden's theory, including Jenny Randles +and Paul Fuller of the British UFO Research Association, who are the authors +of "Controversy of the Circles" and, more recently, "Crop Circles: A Mystery +Solved". Fuller is also the editor and publisher of a new scientific journal +called "The Crop Watcher", which keep a weather eye on the circles phenomenon +and takes a staunchly meteorological stand. + +As far as Fuller and Randles are concerned, Meaden's theory also accounts for +a good number of UFOs sighted in Wiltshire. This is because the strong +electrical effects that are thought to charge the circle-making whirlwinds can +set compass needles spinning, stall cars, stop watches, cause power failures, +and fill the air with cracking, buzzing noises. + +These kinds of events are also the stuff of UFO reports. Indeed, Randles +points out, circles appear at sites of reported close encounters. But in +reality, it is the circle phenomenon that produces the illusion of the alien +spacecraft, Randles maintains, not some extraterrestrial beings whirling their +messages over the ground. + +"We now have twenty-four eyewitnesses who all report an atmospheric vortex-- +similar to a tornado or whirlwind," Randles says. This is an astounding +number of firsthand accounts, given that 90 to 95 percent of crop circles are +thought to be formed between three and five o'clock in the morning. (Other +more mystically oriented crop watchers holding vigils in the cornfields have +observed no such vortex but instead reported hundreds of "black rod-like +things, or thongs," according to one account, "that jumped up and down above +the top of the crop." + +As for the fact that the circles seem to be increasing in quantity and +complexity, Randles offers a number of down-to-earth possibilities that could +affect circle-making conditions, from pesticide spraying to the removal of +hedgerows, to chlorofluorocarbon buildup in the atmosphere, to the depletion +of the ozone layer. + +"We've been called the greatest party poopers in history," says Randles, who +finds the geometric regularity of the circles no more astounding then the +complex formations to be seen among snowflakes. "People would rather come up +with the daffiest solutions possible." + +Some of the sober solutions were aired publicly last June 23, when Meaden +chaired the First International Conference of the Circles Effect, which drew +scientists from as far away as Japan and the United States to a one-day parley +at Oxford University. Animated exchanges between the presenters and the +audience, which included Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado, were the order of the +day. At the end, Meaden told the gathering that decades more research might +be required to pin down all the details of the full answer. + +"Just listening to these people was such fun," commented American attendee +John T. Snow, professor of atmospheric science at Purdue University. "There +was lots of discussion, but very little real study reported." Most of the +"crop circle studies," he said, entailed visiting the sites and speculating on +the sights there. Snow's own conjecture is in line with meaden's--that most +of the circles are the artifacts of whirlwinds. Snow thinks many of the more +elaborate patterns in the cornfields are hoaxes, perpetrated to keep news +media interest in the crop circles alive. Says Snow, "There's probably an +interesting meteorological phenomenon behind them that should be studied, but +it's tough to do serious science in such an atmosphere of sensationalism." + +Christopher Church, an expert in tornado-like flows at Miami University in +Oxford, Ohio, also attended the circles conference and also goes along with +the vortex idea--up to a point. "I think the very bizarre features, such as +the rectangular patterns and arcs that look like photographs or sand +paintings," Church says, "can't be explained by natural causes. You could +call it hoaxing, or you could call it an artistic challenge." + +Church is sufficiently challenged by the problem to do some laboratory +testing. He plans to construct a model of two to three square miles of the +surface of the Hampshire countryside, where many circles appear. His tabletop +model will miniaturize the area's horseshoe-shaped depression surrounded by +hills. Then he'll put the model in a whirlwind tunnel, blow smoke at it from +half a dozen directions, and see whether vortices appear. The key question, +he says, is not whether vortices could create the circles in the corn, but +whether they actually form as frequently as the vortex model suggests. + +The vortex theory, however, is not the only scientific explanation. Eying the +circles from across the English Channel, optical engineer Jean-Jacques Velasco +of the CNES (The French counterpart to NASA) declares that "no known +meteorological phenomenon will produce rings on the ground, much less double +rings, without touching the vegetation in the middle of the rings." Instead, +he suggests, the circles may be the result of military tests of advanced star- +wars weaponry. + +Indeed, when Velasco observed vegetation from crop circles under a microscope, +he found that bent stalks plucked from crop circles looked as though they had +been twisted and subjected to some form of heating. + +The heat source, he speculated, could be an infrared or microwave beam of high +intensity. Such a beam could be produced by the powerful lasers used in +experimental defensive weapons under development in the United States, the +Soviet Union, and possibly the United Kingdom as well. The proliferating +patterns in the cornfields, by this argument are the fallout from testing a +new defense strategy. Although Valesco's ideas are roundly rejected by +British and American researchers, Valesco will be testing the idea in his +laboratory on a small scale, by conducting experimental test shooting of +plants with microwave and infrared guns. + +Other theories range from the mischievous (tracks left by helicopters flying +upside down) to the mysterious (warnings of ecological disaster chiseled in +the corn in ancient Sumerian script). Some modern observers cling to the +notion that the circles are the work of fairies or nature spirits. + +"I've been studying these circles for five years now," notes Archie Roy, +honorary senior fellow in physics and astronomy at the University of Glasgow, +a researcher well-known for his interest in the paranormal, "and I don't +believe we have any real idea of what they are or what causes them." + +Roy is president of the newly formed Centre for Crop Circle Studies, which is +charged with building up a national computer database of relevant facts about +all the crop circles they inhabit, their size, and the meteorological +conditions in the areas where they form. One of the center's first official +acts was to meet with the National Farmers Union and draw up a "Code of +Practice" for researchers wishing to inspect circles on private land. +(Investigators are expected, for example, to ask farmer's permission before +entering the fields, to keep the gates closed, and to refrain from littering.) + +The first issue of the Centre's fledgling journal of crop circle studies, +called "The Cereologist", appeared late last summer and ran true to its +editorial policy of standing "receptive to the news, views, and theories of +any group or individual who is engaged in these studies, subject only to their +courteous expression." Beyond the usual suspects (atmospheric effects, +fairies, extraterrestrial, hoaxers), the journal gave reports from dowsers, +channelers, and mystics. + +Novelist Patrick Harpur, a student of alchemy, offered this view of the crop +circles; "They are like dreams," he said, "To interrogate them is to force +them to lie, to interpret them is to diminish their richness; to explain them +is to misunderstand them...Crop circles are like mouths that speak to us of +the strangeness and depth of things--speak to the heart more than the head and +to the soul more than the heart." + +=END= + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1229.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1229.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2619be2d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1229.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN MILAN, ILLINOIS FILE: UFO1229 + + + + To: All Message #: 2904 + From: Greg Booras Submitted: 17 Oct 90 14:21:00 + Subject: Ufo Lands In Milan IL? Status: Public +Received: No Group: UFINET (9) + + +I live in Milan its a small town in the Midwest. This article came out +of todays newspaper. + +Rock Island Argus page a1 slug: acircle + +`UFO lands in Milan?' + +Flattened corn mystifies farmer +By Trish Mehaffey +Staff writer + + The hazy morning sunlight brightened the field, but James Lawson +couldn't shake the eerie feeling that struck him when he spotted the +circular imprint in his cornfield Tuesday. + Within the circle, the stalks were flattened neatly in rows following +a visible clockwise pattern. The stalks appeared to have been mashed +down. There was no evidence of cutting or signs of machines or humans +in the circle area. +Mr. Lawson reported the circle was measured this morning and was found +to be a perfect 46-foot diameter circle. + ``It was about 9 (a.m),'' Mr. Lawson, of rural Milan, said. ``I was +just making my first trip (on a combine) through the field. ``The +first thing I thought of was a UFO (unidentified flying object). I +thought, holy smokes, what is this?'' + That's the same question being asked in hundreds of other spots +around the world where the mysterious crop circles have been spotted. + Mr. Lawson, 70, said he didn't see the perfect 40- to 50-foot circle +until he was right next to it. The circle, in a field near the corner +of Andalusia and Turkey Hollow roads, is hidden from the highway. + ``It feels weird. There's no road coming in. I couldn't imagine what +it was. It's like a racetrack or something. You can't see it from the +(Andalusia) road. It could have been here quite awhile, but the ears +are still on the stalks. Maybe it's been a month or so.'' + ``When I went in to tell my wife, she didn't believe me. She said +`You're goofy.' And I knew you'd (news media) be skeptical.'' + +--- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) + * Origin: A totally ALIEN concept.....(407)324-1165 (1:363/86) +=-=-=-=-= + To: All Message #: 2905 + From: Greg Booras Submitted: 17 Oct 90 14:22:00 + Subject: Ufo Lands In Milan IL ? Status: Public +Received: No Group: UFINET (9) + + +Part 2 of Ufo Lands in Milan? + +Can't explain circle + + + Mr. Lawson, who has farmed for 42 years, couldn't explain the circle. +He didn't believe it was a hoax, but wasn't quite ready to accept the +idea of UFOs. + ``It couldn't have been the wind because the dike would have stopped +it. And it's a perfect circle. The stalks are mashed in perfect rows. +Maybe it was a UFO that made the circle when it landed and then took +off,'' he said laughing. + Rock Island County Sheriff Mike Grchan said his investigators were at +the scene Tuesday afternoon, but didn't find any answers. + ``The investigators tend to believe someone did it,'' Mr. Grchan +said. ``They found some footprints, but Mr. Lawson said the prints +weren't there earlier and others had been at the scene since the +morning. Other than that, it's totally unexplainable. It could have +been the wind or a meteor, but there would have been a hole and there +wasn't.'' + Mr. Grchan said his office probably won't pursue the incident unless +another circle appears in the area. + Mr. Lawson isn't alone in his curiosity. People have been doing +research on the mysterious crop field rings since one was sighted in +1976 when a farm worker in Hampshire, England, discovered a circular +pattern in his field. + Since 1980, more than 600 similar circles have been reported in +Britain with about 250 recorded in 1989. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1230.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1230.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ccf839b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1230.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES NEAR MILITARY AREA FILE: UFO1230 + + + + + I would like to inform my fellow researchers with some curious and +valuable information I have gained through the years living in the +mountains of southwest Virginia. For years the Air Force has flown +countless training missions in the Appalachian +mountains without any formal declaration to the people of this area. For +years the F-4s have used these mountains as a playground and tactical +training area . The sightings of training missions range from large +transports practicing for air drops over the small town of Pound Virginia +to treetop level dog fights . There is never any public admittance that +this area (specifically Wise, Scott, Lee and Russell counties in Virginia) +is designated a training ground for the Air Force. The people don't +really mind, in fact most of us feel privaliged to have the government +involved in our area. The citizens of this area have gotten use to being +waken up to the sound of F-4s ripping over their house at 3am in the +morning. There have only been a handful of accidents over the years and +as far as I know civilians have never been affected. You are probably +saying "so what" the military trains in mountains all over the country. +Well friends I haven't told you the half of it yet. + + + Having so much military traffic in our skies for so long we become +accustomed to seeing strange sights in the night sky. There have been +several important sightings and occurences in this region including the +events at Wytheville Virginia which gained national attention. The +incident I will report on is the most significant to me personally. In +the summer of 1987 I was living on the family farm "Horse Gap" on rt.23 +outside of Pound Virginia. When returning home from work late on even +ing I noticed several sets of lights coming at high across a small ridge +on the north end of the farm. I was not use to seeing jets at night lit +up so brightly, usually they ran with no lights for training purposes. +At an altitiude of about 750' they passed over me at just below mach 1. +You learn to judge the relative speed from years of sonic booms and low +level passes. As they passed over there was no doubt they were jets by +the roar of the engines. The only confusing part was the very bright lig +hts that didn't seem to be standard equipement of the planes usually +spotted in this area. + + + The same night at about 11:30pm another jet or group of jets passed +over our house. The exact direction was impossible to determine as they +were out of sight by the time I could run outside. The excitement of +this soon passed and after telling a few people who were interested in the +training flights I forgot all about it. The next references to time +elapsed is my best guess, I didn't see at the time any reason to make a +date of unusual sighting. Approximately 10 days later I discovered a +ring in an unkept field about 275 yards from our house. The date was July +19, 1987. After examing the ring and feeling confident it was the genuine +article and not made by animals or a hoax, I called two friends who had +been to several of these circles before. They confirmed it fit the bill. +The grass (4') was bent in a counter clockwise direction but not +crushed. The spiral pattern had a definite center and a diameter of +between 12-14m. Over the next few days the grass turned brown but didn't +die, it recovered and continued to grow. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1231.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1231.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..66560054 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1231.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,227 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN NORTH AMERICA FILE: UFO1231 + + + + The NAICCR Report: Crop Circles in North America + + + North American Crop Circles and Related Physical Traces in 1990 + by Chris Rutkowski et al. + + Released February 1991 by the North American Institute + for Crop Circle Research. 40 pp. + + Reviewed by Michael Chorost + Published June 1991 + + + Early in 1991, Chris Rutkowski and his colleagues set out to +produce the kind of report cereologists have been aching to see: a +tabular list of 1990 crop circles. They also wanted to search the +data for patterns, and locate the methodological challenges of doing +so. + + They were confronted with several difficulties from the outset. +One was the problem of cobbling together usable data from diverse +sources of varying completeness and reliability. Another was the +challenge of deciding how to organize it, since no one knows which +data structure will best bring buried truths to the surface. Still +another was the sheer unprecedentedness of what they were doing, +since there were no successful analyses to emulate, no failed analy- +ses to learn from. In such a situation, tables of data take on an +aspect of terror. They can be sorted in infinite ways, yet only a +few of those ways are likely to lead to the truth. One might walk +across Antarctica blindfolded with greater confidence. + + This terror may well account for why no one has published and +attempted to analyze tables of data, even though the circles have +been the focus of sustained public attention for at least four +years. Rutkowski and his colleagues, then, are to be commended for +the ambition and bravery of this first attempt, which sets a signal +example. England has produced nothing of comparable completeness +and integrity. Bigger and better reports should follow, but this +one sets the pace. + + The report's raw data is presented twice, in two different +forms: by element, and by formation. In the first set of raw data, +the authors list each element of a formation marking separately, so +that, for example, a group of ten circles found in Warsaw, Indiana, +is listed as ten separate elements. The elements are recorded as a +dense table of 86 "unusual ground markings" (UGMs) listed by date, +location, circle diameters, direction of swirl, crop type, associat- +ed UFO sightings, and whether samples were taken and tests per- +formed. Dates range from March to October 1990; locations span the +continent, from Pennsylvania to British Columbia, with a preponder- +ance in the Ameican Midwest and in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. +Diameters range from 1.7m (Warsaw, Indiana) to 38m (Odessa, Mis- +souri.) Samples and tests are noted but the results are not speci- +fied; hopefully future reports will have more to say about their +results. + + Unfortunately, the first data set's mode of organization is not +followed consistently. A formation in Leola, SD, which consisted of +four separate elements (a "reverse question mark" and three rectan- +gles) is listed as only one element, and the same is true for sever- +al other multiple-element formations. Rutkowski and his coauthors +are not entirely to be blamed for this flaw, however. It is often +difficult to decide how many elements a formation consists of, and +which to measure. A quintuplet formation obviously has five ele- +ments and is made up of circles, but what about a circle with four +spokes and two rings, with another circle 125m away (Northside, +Saskatchewan, Aug. 28)? How many elements are there and what are +they? Only two elements of the Northside formation are listed in +the table, because it's set up to record only circle diameters and +ring widths. It can't accomodate rectangular elements. + + It looks like a numerical-tabular format created more headaches +for Rutkowski and his colleagues than it solved, because it assumed +more uniformity than was the case, and used an awkward mode of +representation. The circles are diverse and spatially complex +objects which resist simple numerical representation. It would seem +more sensible to tabulate them visually, in annotated diagrams. +This would lead one to record formations on a case-by-case basis, +creating new data categories as appropriate, rather than trying to +define all of the relevant data categories in advance. Colin An- +drews has made a start in this direction with his computerized +visual catalogue. I think Rutkowski et al. made a basic mistake, +yet much can be learned from it, e.g.: We should not ache so much to +see data in numerical-tabular format. We can develop more flexible +and useful ways to represent our knowledge. + + The other set of raw data is the more immediately useful one, +because it lists whole formations, not elements. It lists 45 forma- +tions by date, location, and brief verbal description. About thirty +are English-style crop circles; the rest are circular burns, areas +of flattened and burned crops, areas of missing vegetation, holes, +etchings in dry soil, and patches of stunted growth. Since no one +knows whether these diverse phenomena are related, Rutkowski et al. +sensibly chose not to segregate them. + + The reliability of the documentation is obviously uneven. Some +formations have been extremely well-documented by the authors them- +selves; others are reported on little more than hearsay. For exam- +ple, one item reads merely, "It was claimed that a crop circle was +discovered near this town" and lists the source as a TV station. +This is no fault of the authors, who clearly decided that it was +better to risk reporting rumor than to leave out potential truth. +The shortcomings of the data say more about the primitive state of +cereology than anything else. Since sources are listed, it is +usually possible for the reader to decide how much weight to give +each report. + + The two sets of data are listed in the back of the report. In +the front of the report, Rutkowski et al. attempt a preliminary +analysis of the data. They present five tables breaking the data +down in different ways: type versus country, type versus direction +of swirl, type versus crop, country versus crop, and country versus +direction of swirl. Perhaps the most interesting result is that +grass elements predominated over wheat elements in the US (46 grass +elements vs. 2 wheat ones), but the reverse held in Canada: 16 wheat +elements vs. 4 grass ones. Other interesting results are that +concentric rings almost always formed in wheat (9 in wheat vs. 1 in +grass) and that burned and flattened circles almost always happened +in grass (9 in grass vs. 1 in wheat.) One must view these discover- +ies with caution, however, because of the uneven reliability of the +data, the analysis by element rather than formation, and the low +total numbers involved. They may make more (or less) sense when +compared to English data, if and when it becomes available, and in +the light of future data. + + It should be noted that grass crop circles are much more common +in the U.S. than in England. This is easily explained by the fact +that England is so intensively cultivated that there is very little +freestanding grassland left. However, it is more difficult to +explain why so few grass circles were reported in Canada, a country +with abundant grassland. It could be due to the fact that there are +fewer people in Canada to discover circles in grassland. + + The authors also note that the peculiar effects seen in English +crop circles, such as strange noises and flashes of light, have not +been reported in North American formations. Nor do they exhibit the +same level of complexity seen in England (ringed and spoked circles +seems to be the maximum.) In sum, it is quite unclear whether the +45 cases listed belong to one phenomenon or several totally separate +ones, and whether any of them are truly groupable with the English +version of the phenomenon. + + In an intelligent and cautious discussion, Rutkowski analyzes +the debate about the cause of the circles, and argues that no theory +adequately explains the phenomenon. He writes that "there was no +evident trend in any characteristic of the UGMs [unusual ground +markings]." Nor do "statistical studies conducted on the +data...suggest any particular unifying explanation." He notes that +only 4 of the 45 formations have UFO sightings associated with them, +and a perusal of the data shows that none of the sightings are +clearly of "nuts and bolts" spacecraft: two sightings were of glow- +ing lights, the other two go unspecified. Glowing lights fit in +just as well with meteorological theories, which presuppose hot, +glowing plasma vortices, as with ET theories. And yet meteorologi- +cal theories themselves can explain very little: "Is Britain's +change in weather so incredibly dramatic that hundreds of circles +can form in 1990, compared with only a handful a decade ago?" + + Rutkowski notes just how many complicating factors there are: +winds do cause crop damage, yet crop circles do resemble classic +"saucer nests"; many crop circles have been considered genuine +despite their great complexity, yet there have been notorious hoax- +es; crop circles may be an effort at communication, yet nobody +understands them. And there are, in addition to crop circles, many +other kinds of anomalous ground markings. Do they have the same +basic cause, or are they caused by an entirely unrelated phenomenon? +No one knows. + + Rutkowski tries to break down the theories into four types: +extraterrestrials, wind phenomena, hoaxes, and "other." The first +three are certainly the best-known. "Other" subsumes less popular +theories, such as military activity and mating hedgehogs. However, +there are more categories than Rutkowski notes. Some people in the +CCCS (Centre for Crop Circle Studies) subscribe to the theory that +"earth energies" create the crop circles. Richard Andrews, a pro- +fessional dowser, is perhaps the best-known of these theorists. It +is certainly not clear (to me, anyhow) what "earth energies" are, +nor how they could create the complex forms we have seen, though +Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields and James +Lovelock's "Gaia" theory of planetary intelligence have both been +invoked as explanatory factors. In addition, there are significant +splits within the theoretical camps: for example, Terence Meaden has +accepted that the more complex formations are meteorological in +nature, while his followers Paul Fuller and Jenny Randles still +think most or all of them must be hoaxes, with only the simpler +formations being "genuine." + + As George Wingfield astutely notes in The Crop Circle Enigma, +the "exotic" theories tend to fall into two classes: those invoking +earth mysteries, like earth-energy theories, and those invoking sky +mysteries, like alien-intelligence theories. The English have a +pronounced tendency toward earth mysteries, whereas Americans tend +to favor sky mysteries. Perhaps this can be explained by historical +and cultural differences between the two nations. The English tend +to look down into the earth where generations of ancestors are +buried, whereas Americans, a younger and spacefaring race, look up +into a sky which may house their descendants. Perhaps Canadians, +being of the New World yet still Commonwealth citizens, fall some- +where in between. + + Certainly the Canadians have shown considerable good sense in +this landmark report. It has significant shortcomings, as I have +noted, but they are counterbalanced by the pioneering nature of the +work. Bigger and better reports should follow from both sides of +the Atlantic, but this one sets the pace. + + +Available for US $3.00 from P.O. Box 1918, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3C + 3R2, or 649 Silverstone Avenue, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3T 2V8. + + + +The reviewer may be contacted at: + +Michael Chorost +North American Circle +P.O. Box 61144 +Durham, NC 27715-1144 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1232.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1232.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..11a3bb49 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1232.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES FROM UFORA FILE: UFO1232 + + + +174/180 13 Feb 90 22:57 +From: Vladimir Godic +To: All +Subj: CIRCLES - News from UFORA +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +On Saturday December 16, 1989, Bill Chalker (UFORA Scientific Cosultant) +advised us of an article in the Melbourne "Truth" concerning the discovery of a +number of unusual circles in a wheat crop. On the following day we received a +call from the wife of the property owner involved who related details of the +finding. On about December 12 or 13, two men were stripping wheat on the +property of Max and Nancee Jolly when they spotted two swirled cirles of wheat. +These were some 3 metres in diameter, surrounded by three other circles approx. +1 metre across. The wheat had been flattened and swirled anti-clockwise in each +circle. Stalks were undamaged with grain matured on the heads. Mrs Jolly told +us of a number of possibly related incidents which had occurred over recent +years. These included: November 1987.- Lights in the sky. 4000 litre water tank +drained. December 1988.- Son, Stuart, awoken by unusual noise which seemed to +come from an empty sky. August 1989. - Sheep disturbed. Pulsating yellow lights +hovering over paddock. High pitched noise audible. + +On December 18, Bill spoke to Nancee and Stuart and ascertained that the story +in the "Truth" was substantially correct, although the date of the light in the +sky report, in 1989, might be incorrect. Five circles were located in all. Two +had ben cut during harvesting but were still evident. There is no direct +correlation with any UFO event. The countryside involved is gently undulating, +otherwise largerly flat. + +Bill's tentative conclusio is: "Interesting UFO activity, traces may not be +relevant, There is no evidence, to date, directly linking them to UFO +explanation." Investigated by: Bill Chalker & Keith Basterfield. + +--- FD 2.00 + * Origin: ParaNet Omega-Omnicron(sm) / UFO Research Australia (9:1030/7) + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1233.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1233.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f43a5670 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1233.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,3377 @@ +SUBJECT: FRACTALS & CROP CIRCLES FILE: UFO1233 + + + + +Article 9253 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk +From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Fractals & Crop Circles +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 03:46:15 GMT +References: <1991Sep8.202245.27765@bradley.bradley.edu> +Sender: bbs@cellar.UUCP (The Cellar BBS) +Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system +Lines: 59 + +pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes: + +> In revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) write +> >stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +> >> If a mandelbrot set appeared on something like a Mayan bas-relief, we woul +> >> say that the Mayans did it and wonder at how little we know about an india +> >> culture that was so obviously advanced in certain areas... some of us woul +> >> claim they were like ' idiot savants ' ...others would just chalk it up +> >> to coincidence. +> > Nope, not likely at all. To generate a Mandelbrot Set requires not +> >only using math that uses the imaginary value i (the square root of -1), but +> >iterating the same equation roughly 200 times for every pioint on the grid +> >that the set is beiong plotted on. +> +> And building a large pyramind requires lots of man-hours or intense labor. +> As does (presumably) building Stonehenge and other such interesting things. +> +> > One could, concievably, do the math +> >without a computer-- sure, if you want to spend a lifetime doing thousands o +> >mathematical equations on a project whose significance isn't likely to be +> >apparent. +> +> Similar things have been said about the great monoliths. Sure, you can do +> it without modern machinery, but it would take forever, and why do it? +> +> Why ask why? :) Obviously someone did some of these things anyway... +> -- +> ----- +> Pete Hartman Bradley University pwh@bradley.bradley.edu +> jello is cheaper than horses! + +Pete, you've obviously missed the difference betweebn the Pyramids, +Stonehenge, and the like. What was required to build those structurew was +well within the capabilities of the societies that built them. Similarly, any +significance they had was evident both in the cultural records available (in +the caes of the Pyramids) or directly relevant to their survival (i.e., some +theories re Stonehenge's use as a calendar to determine agricultural cycles). + +But in order to develop the Mandelbrot Set, as I'd said, doesn't just require +technological advancement: it requires a very substantial body of +mathematical work behind it. (The ancients were advanced in mathematics, +obviously, but I don't see any evidence that they were aware of such things +as the square root of negative 1.) Similarly, one would have to be willing to +expend considerable energies performing lengthy, repetitive calculations on +values incorporating the value i, _and_ plot them on a grid in the apropriate +manner. + +We have a pretty good understanding of how the Egyptians built the Pyramids, +and what's more, we also have a very good understanding of _why_ they built +them. (And I must remind you that the idea of finding a Mandelbrot Set in +some ancient carvings was hypothetical to begin with-- which makes your +original point seem even more nonsensical. Just what were you objecting to?) + + +"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" +Brian Siano, Delaware Valley Skeptics +Rev. Philosopher-King of The First Church of the Divine Otis Redding +revpk@Cellar.UUCP "Ecrasez l'enfame!" - Voltaire +"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" + + +Article 9214 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!news.bbn.com!bbn.com!ncramer +From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Executive Summary [was: Fractals...] +Message-ID: <66199@bbn.BBN.COM> +Date: 10 Sep 91 00:24:28 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com> +Sender: news@bbn.com +Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) +Lines: 20 + +stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +>ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes: + +> [Maryquote#1 deleted] +>>Isn't this beautiful? + +Then, it just keeps getting better... + +> ... crop symbols were the hard evidence you keep saying you require. + +...and better. + +>None are so blind are those who WILL NOT see. + +Can't argue with that. + +Keep it up Mary. A few more of these and you'll render sci.skeptic --or +any overt defense of rational thought-- wholly superfluous. + +N + + +Article 9230 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!triton.unm.edu!ee5391aa +From: ee5391aa@triton.unm.edu (Duke McMullan n5gax) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Halftime Show! Was: Executive Summary [was: Fractals...] +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 02:56:17 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com> +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 215 + +In article <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com> +stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: + + +>You know what? I don't think you really want hard evidence because you +>DON'T WANT proof that psi exists. It's your ego that drives you... not +>your intellect. + +I rather suspect, Mary, that _all_ of us are driven in various degrees by +both ego and intellect. Witness the frequent emotional outbursts (such as +yours, above...but by no means limited to the pro-psi side of the stadium) +on this newsgroup as an example. + +A proof is a very personal thing, and what constitutes a proof to you +likely will fail as sufficient evidence to another. E.g., this stuff on +crop circles. You remain unconvinced that the mundane answer is true...or, +at least, so I seem to read in your postings. You defend it on the basis +that the declamation of these two fellows doesn't _prove_ that _some_ of the +cc's weren't made by extraterrestials...which, of course, it doesn't. How- +ever, absence of proof does not constitute disproof, neither does absence of +disproof constitute proof...for some people. + +The arguments here make me think of children playing games. With the rules +set, most will get along pretty well. When the rules are somewhat nebulous, +or when various kids have different ideas of the rules, watch out! The fur's +gonna fly! + +We have here people programmed to various different sets of rules for "prov- +ing" the "reality" of various matters. Mucho years ago, it was proven that +it is _impossible_ to trisect an angle, in the plane, using only the compass +and straightedge. The proof is group-theoretic, requiring essentially grad- +uate-school standing in mathematics (in most curricula) to find oneself in +a class where such proofs are expounded. Most people with less preparation +would be completely bewildered by the proof; it would be beyond their com- +prehension and they would be unimpressed by it. The compass and straight- +edge, however, are simple to use, and methods of using them are taught in +every decent (note that qualifier ;^) high school in the country. Consequen- +tly, many people can understand the nature of the problem of how to trisect +an angle. Many try. Many fail, and admit it. A few, by way either of er- +ror or simple misunderstanding, arrive at what appears to be a trisection, and +then become very, very annoyed when math types won't take it seriously. + +This last is where ego comes into it...perhaps from both sides. + +I see no particular reason to believe in anything except mundane explanations +for crop circles, although I should point out explicitly that I've not inves- +tigated the matter. Nor will I. + +Why not? + +Why am I unwilling to investigate this matter? Ego? + +One might call it that, but I perceive it differently. I, like yourself and +everyone else, have only a certain amount of time and energy to do the things +I want to accomplish. If I wished to make money gambling, I wouldn't play the +slots, neither would I bet two dollars to your one on a coin coming up heads +or tails. "Gamblers believe in probability; suckers belive in luck." + +If one investigates the various areas of pseudoscience, certain repeated pat- +terns emerge. _All_ of the popular (personal opinion:) fuzzy-headednesses of +this day, including Ancient Astronauts (in the style of Von Daineken (sp?)), +Crystal Power, (ahem) Crop Circles, Channeling, and, yes, _every_ case of +parapsychological testing that I've been able to examine (twenty years back, I +was _very_ interested in this stuff) have displayed those characteristics. + +(I should point out that _reproducibility_ was the most common problem here. +All these things fail to be reproducible...if watched too closely, or tested +in ways which are objectively verifiable. Such was, and is, my experience.) + +Certainly, this does not constitute _proof_ that these fields/phenomena are +baloney, but it does suggest that the probability is rather higher than other- +wise might be assumed. + +In my undergraduate days, I invested a good deal of time reading about various +"paranormal" stuff, attempting various experiments in various fields of psi, +attended a number of lectures on such topics as "energy healing", dowsing, +"free energy", and a few et ceteras, took several courses purported to in- +crease psychic abilities, began studying aikido (trying to understand the +principles of "ki"), and...well, the list goes on. + +I discovered an interesting mixture. I also developed (EGO WARNING) a bet- +ter-than-average bullshit filter. There were certain truths here...and cer- +tain untruths. Many things simply were unverifiable. Great claims were +made...and very little in the way of convincing (to me) demonstration was man- +ifested. + +After a while, this stuff ceased to entertain me. My interest lagged. I was +not content to "know about" this stuff...I wanted to _do_ it. I concluded +that there was nothing mystical about "ki" as used in martial arts. Bluntly, +I started applying a set of "scientific" (read: objective) criteria to these +hobby studies, as well as my scholastic work. I discovered that I could know +a lot about this, but I couldn't do any of it. Neither could anyone else. + +I found I had a good deal of "faith" (probability that this will work for me: +pretty high) in engineering, math, physics, chemistry, aikijutsu, etc. My +"faith" (probability that will work for me: pretty low) in parastuff faded +away. I was no longer impressed, for a number of reasons, by the "catch-22" +that you have to believe in paranormal phenomena for them to manifest. + +Why? Because I couldn't separate the real from the unreal, whether that lat- +ter be a fraud, or simply my perception. You see, another of my hobbies is +magic, with an emphasis on mentalism. I bamboozle people as a hobby. I +_know_ how easy it is (and how much fun it is) to be fooled. + +I've never encountered a "believer" in parapsi who wouldn't admit that there +were frauds out there, and most would point to entire areas which they regar- +ded as fallacious. + +At this point, I can't resist quoting Martin Gardner. He wrote a book called +_Fads_and_Fallacies_ (In the Name of Science), and this paragraph he wrote as +the beginning of the preface to the second edition: + + The first edition of this book prompted many curious letters + from irate readers. The most violent letters came from Reichians, + furious because the book considered orgonomy alongside such (to + them) outlandish cults as dianetics. Dianeticians, of course, felt + the same about orgonomy. I heard from homeopaths who were insulted + to find themselves in company with such frauds as osteopathy and + chiropractic, and one chiropractor in Kentucky "pitied" me because + I had turned my spine on God's greatest gift to suffering humanity. + Several admirers of Dr. Bates favored me with letters so badly typed + that I suspect the writers were in urgent need of strong spectacles. + Oddly enough, most of these correspondents objected to one chapter + only, thinking all the others excellent. + + + +Until a good filter is devised which will separate fraud from fair in these +matters, skeptical persons will not be convinced. + +For myself, I admit the _possibility_ of almost any of these strange things. +That doesn't mean I _believe_ in them, and THAT doesn't mean I _disbelieve_ +in them. I remain simply unconvinced. There's a difference, although many +won't accept that. + +It's been said many times before, and I'll repeat it: "Extraordinary matters +require extraordinary proof." There's a problem there...it's simply not true. +"Extraordinary matters" of the sort we're describing don't require extraordin- +ary proofs at all; they require only very ordinary, everyday proofs of the +sort we use to demonstrate the existence of, say, magnetism, solid objects, or +communication by verbal interchange. The trouble is, these simple, straight- +forward proof don't seem to be there. + +"Ordinary proof" shouldn't be particularly hard to come by..._if_ the pheno- +mena under consideration are real. If they're not...if they're not, then they +should behave exactly as they seem to under serious and detailed examination. +I.e., they fail to manifest. + +Yes, I'll grant the possibility of "shyness effects", "skeptic neutralizing", +or whatever the current buzzword is for "real" psi phenomena failing when ex- +amined by a skeptic. I'll grant the possibility, but not the reality. I find +it...let's just say...less than convincing. It removes our only mechanism for +differentiating the genuine from the phoney. And there are _always_ phoneys. +Even in the "hard" sciences, there are phoneys. They embarrass their col- +legues. There are mechanisms in place (and, to be certain, they don't always +work) to reduce this sort of thing, but still, some always seem to get through. + + +Now, let's land on that question: WHY won't I examine, fairly and in detail, +the evidence for/against E.T. causes of crap, excuse me, crop circles? + +Because it manifests so many of the characteristics of crackpot foolishness. +_Many_ things manifest those characteristics, and why should I choose cc's +over, say, Bigfoot or the Marfa Lights? + +It seems likely to me that _all_ of these fields of endeavor have very, very +small probabilities of turning out to be anything other than the proverbial +wild goose chase. There might be, among them, one or two which hide some +mighty, world-shaking matter, and would be well worth the pursuit. But which +one? Why should I choose cc's over Bigfoot or the Marfa Lights? + +At least, the Marfa Lights allegedly manifest a single (long) day's drive from +Albuquerque. I might be able to do some real investigations there. But, +again, time and money...and always energy. Note that's just to investigate +_one_ of these mysteries, and the nearest one that I mentioned, at that. I +cannot practically investigate _all_ of these in any useful manner, even if +I could afford it. As for just one...no, I'll not play the slot machines. +Neither will I bet two-to-one on the side of the coin that comes up next. +Neither will I invest my time in studying the Marfa Lights. Or Bigfoot. Or +crop circles. If it pleases you to do so, then have at it, with my blessings. +I'll stick with aikijutsu, cave exploring, conjuring, and other "mundane" +matters. + +I'll bet I come out ahead, too. + + + +>None are so blind are those who WILL NOT see. + +Nice rhetoric. Here's the response: + + "Those who believe illusion, and accept as truth their own vain imaginings, + perceive less that those entirely bereft of eyes." + +Pretty snappy, huh? I just coined it myself. And, like your statement above, +it establishes nothing useful. + +Like the pro/anti firearm matter bouncing across this group, the argument lies +with ideology. Most discussions quickly degenerate into name calling, on +_both_ sides, establishing that ego indeed is an active principle. There is +intellect, too, which is why I haven't long since unsubscribed to this group. + +Well, the halftime show's over, and the band (that's I) is returning to the +bleachers to watch the rest of the game. + +Here come the teams; I'm outta here.... + + d + + +-- +"The French driver's infantile recklessness often annoyed him, but not so much + as did the typical Italian driver's use of the automobile as an extension of + his penis, or the British driver's use of it as a substitute." -- Trevanian + Duke McMullan n5gax nss13429r phon505-255-4642 ee5391aa@triton.cirt.unm.edu + + +Article 9243 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!ptimtc!nntp-server.caltech.edu!sol1.gps.caltech.edu!CARL +From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Executive Summary [was: Fractals...] +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.044919.20694@cco.caltech.edu> +Date: 10 Sep 91 04:49:19 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com> +Sender: news@cco.caltech.edu +Reply-To: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu +Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu + +In article <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +>>Pity all those poor, silly "hard-science, types" and their misguided +>>insistence on "repeatable experiments"... +>>Thank you, Mary. +>> +>>You've made our case far more succinctly, far more clearly than we could +>>ever hope to do. +> +>Do you mean that you don't really want a "repeatable experiment"? That +>you'd prefer not to have proof to deal with? That all the talk was just +>that... talk? +> +>I didn't insult you. I merely said that the crop symbols were the hard +>evidence you keep saying you require. No talk of "pity"... no mention of +>"silly"... nothing said of "misguided insistence" at all. + +They're hard evidence that crop symbols exist. By what incredibly unfathomable +process did you come to the conclusion that they're hard evidence of PSI and +not of somebody dragging a board around a field? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL + +Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My +understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So +unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my +organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to +hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. + + +Article 9220 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!cunews!software.mitel.com!meier +From: meier@Software.Mitel.COM (Rolf Meier) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Fractals & Crop Circles +Message-ID: <9251@augustus> +Date: 9 Sep 91 16:36:55 GMT +References: <1991Sep6.172310.11183@engage.pko.dec.com> <1991Sep7.235155.26995@javelin.sim.es.com> +Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. +Lines: 16 + +In article <1991Sep7.235155.26995@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes: + +>stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: + +>> Now it's your turn. What symbol would YOU like to see written in +>> the fields? + +> Smiley face + +etc. + + +The Mars face. Or maybe the man in the moon. + +___________________________________________________________________________ +Rolf Meier Mitel Corporation + + +Article 8892 of sci.skeptic: +Xref: bilver sci.skeptic:8892 alt.paranormal:2538 +Path: bilver!tarpit!fang!att!att!linac!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!wang!news +From: warren@worlds.com (Warren Burstein) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal +Subject: Re: Physics: Separate Particles Communicate at a Distance +Message-ID: <601@vaccine.UUCP> +Date: 3 Sep 91 21:20:37 GMT +References: <1991Aug23.221620.8570@beta.lanl.gov> <1991Aug28.212833.14211@rosevax.rosemount.com> <1991Aug29.000836.27078@beta.lanl.gov> +Sender: news@wang.com +Followup-To: sci.skeptic +Organization: WorldWide Software +Lines: 13 + +jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes: + +>EPR means never having to look at your shoes. + +When I took a course in QM there were no chairs in the room so we sat +on the floor with our backs to the wall which made it very obvious to +the professor that my socks didn't match. I told him I was +color-coding my feet. +-- +/|/-\/-\ The entire world Jerusalem + |__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot + |warren@ But the farmer +/ worlds.COM is not worried at all. + + +Article 9242 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!bonnie.concordia.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!lehigh.bitnet!PML3 +From: PML3@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (King of Birds (AKA: Paul Lewis)) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: RE: Crop Circles ... Solved! (??????) +Message-ID: <09099122.25.40PML3@lehigh.bitnet> +Date: 10 Sep 91 03:26:08 GMT +Lines: 14 + +Whether or not a plasma ball can crush wheat or not, I don't know, but +there's no way in hell that one could create a design like that on +the Led Zeppelin box set cover... + + +Paul Lewis | 'The love you take is equal to the love you make.' | + | -The Beatles, 'The End' | +Are you | 'Forcing the issue was always worth it.' | +sure that | -Jello Biafra | +Oswald | 'You always said yes. Yes to anyone with a badge or a flag. +killed | -Bruce Wayne to Clark Kent, 'The Dark Knight Returns' +J.F.K.? | 'We turned in horror toward the back of the grassy knoll | + | where it seemed the sounds had originated.' | +___________|_______-Cheryl McKinnon, witness to the murder of J.F.K.___| + + +Article 9216 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!psych.toronto.edu!daniel +From: daniel@psych.toronto.edu (Daniel Read) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Dates (Re: UFOs and Abductees) +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.010300.20473@psych.toronto.edu> +Date: 10 Sep 91 01:03:00 GMT +References: <1842@tuegate.tue.nl> <1991Sep6.130130.4768@uoft02.utoledo.edu> +Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto +Lines: 25 + +In article <1991Sep6.130130.4768@uoft02.utoledo.edu> grx0435@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes: +>In article <1842@tuegate.tue.nl>, wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl +> +> Might I recommend that you find a good Astronomy 101 textbook +> and read up on Frank Drake's 1961 equation: +> +> N = R * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L +> +> where N = # of civiliztions in our galaxy that can contact each other. +> R = stellar formation rate of our galaxy +> Fp = fraction of stars with planets +> Ne = avg # planets / solar system with sutable environmental +> conditions. +> Fl = fraction which develop life +> Fi = " " " intellegent life +> Fc = " " heve the ability and *choose* to communicate +> L = the average lifetime of a civiliztion +> +I appreciate this formula being posted, but is it strictly correct? Why +take the product of Fl, Fi and Fc? I think you should use Fl * (Fi|FL) * +(Fc|Fi|Fl) ... otherwise you are erroneously reducing the value of N. +[NB, (Fi|fl) is the fraction of those planets that develop life which also +have intelligent life]. + +daniel + + +Article 9149 of sci.skeptic: +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Path: bilver!tarpit!fang!att!att!linac!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!lanl!jlg +From: jlg@beta.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) +Subject: Re: UFOs and Abductees +Message-ID: <1991Sep9.180944.24266@beta.lanl.gov> +Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory +References: +Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 18:09:44 GMT + +> In article <1991Sep7.053041.5389@ohsu.edu> lawder@ohsu3b2.ohsu.EDU (Kathryn Lawder) writes: +> [...] +> Or maybe they also have advanced ethics on the order of a prime +> directive? + +The 'prime directive' is not advanced ethics, it's a blatant sci-fi plot +restriction ploy. It's an unsubtle way of restricting the actions of +the advanced high-tech characters so that low-tech environments can +still be hazardous and uncertain. As a practical matter, there would be +no way for it to work as it does fictionally: how do you land on a +planet and just "blend in" with the culture there when you're an oxygen +breathing, water drinking, carbon-based life form and they're monoxide +breathing, ammonia drinking, silicone-based life forms (with, in +addition, a considerably different appearance from yours)? + +J. Giles + + +Article 9227 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucsd!nosc!watop!north +From: north@watop.nosc.mil (Mark North) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles/Ascended Masters/Sound +Keywords: Imagination is a great thing, it just *may* exceed skepticism! +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 02:29:22 GMT +References: <1991Sep7.193234.743@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> +Sender: nobody@nosc.NOSC.MIL +Distribution: usa +Lines: 13 + +jtg@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Redheaded Goddess) writes: + +[a bunch of stuff missing a lot of spaces] + +I read your post and want to comment on it. +Try hitting your space bar more frequently. + +>Note: I am not a frequent reader of this newsgroup, if any one +>wishes to respond to this, please email me privately. + +Surely you jest. + +Mark + + +Article 9254 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk +From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles Solved (per CNN) +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 03:47:19 GMT +References: +Sender: bbs@cellar.UUCP (The Cellar BBS) +Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system +Lines: 24 + +rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes: + +> john@anasaz.uucp (John Moore) writes: +> >CNN reported tonight that the mystery of crop circles in England may +> >have been solved. 2 gentlemen in their 60's reportedly demonstrated +> >their method for creating crop circles to a number of reporters. An +> >"expert" on crop circles (unnamed) admitted that the circles that they +> >created appeared genuine. +> +> >Anyone have any more info on this? You guys in the UK have some more +> >data? +> +> Yes, apparently they are aliens. +> -- +> Standard disclaimer applies, you legalistic hacks. | Ron Dippold + + The current issue of Science has a neat bit on the crop circles, as +well. Joe bob sez check it out. + +"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" +Brian Siano, Delaware Valley Skeptics +Rev. Philosopher-King of The First Church of the Divine Otis Redding +revpk@Cellar.UUCP "Ecrasez l'enfame!" - Voltaire +"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" + + +Article 9207 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ai065 +From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles Solved (per CNN) +Message-ID: <1991Sep9.231038.18886@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Date: 9 Sep 91 23:10:38 GMT +Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA) +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu + + + The old men demonstrated how they used a board (about the size and shape +of a yardstick) with a single rope that is tied to both ends, looking +something like this: + + ____ + / \ + ( ) <---ROPE + ======== <---BOARD + + They would simply hold the rope in their hand and then walk with the board +under their foot. This quickly squashed large areas of crop. That's good +enough for me, but I still have two questions: What about the crops being +bent but not broke? Can this be done via this method? And, what about the +large areas were no circles were found the night before? Is this method fast +enough to produce large circles? + + Tom +-- + __ Make no bones about it, I'm an avid promoter of the Amiga computer. If + __/// you resent that because you were ripped off then that is your problem. + \XX/ :') "In every revolution.....there is one man...with a vision!" - Kirk + The Cryptozoology Information Network Want on our Email mailing list? + + +Article 9225 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!qualcom.qualcomm.com!cancun!rdippold +From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles Solved (per CNN) +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 00:33:47 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.231038.18886@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Sender: news@qualcomm.com +Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cancun.qualcomm.com + +ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: +> The old men demonstrated how they used a board (about the size and shape +>of a yardstick) with a single rope that is tied to both ends, looking +>something like this: + +> ____ +> / \ +> ( ) <---ROPE +> ======== <---BOARD + +> They would simply hold the rope in their hand and then walk with the board +>under their foot. This quickly squashed large areas of crop. That's good +>enough for me, but I still have two questions: What about the crops being +>bent but not broke? Can this be done via this method? And, what about the +>large areas were no circles were found the night before? Is this method fast +>enough to produce large circles? + +Yes and yes. The news report I heard today went further into detail. +They bent the crops instead of breaking them so that the farmer would +still be able to harvest the crops. So it wasn't destruction of +property. And yes, apparently with their method you can make the +circle quite big. Obviously, there's a limit, I don't know what it +is, but they had plenty of time to do it. +-- +Standard disclaimer applies, you legalistic hacks. | Ron Dippold + + +Article 9217 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ra!cee1 +From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 01:21:51 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Lines: 30 + +cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: + + +>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. + +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. + + + It seems, if these people had done this for _TWENTY_ years, SOMMMMMEONE + would have seen it, with all the hundreds there. ANd what about all the + other shapes Diamonds, antennae, other geometric things. + + About other nations with them, maybe toher people 'know' how to do them. + I just don't buy it. They would have been spotted long ago. And what about + the high E-fields in the centers? + + This was just on an NBC News-minute thingie. I still am not convinced. + +> Peter R. Cook | Disclaimer: "Quoth the Raven, eat my shorts man!" +-- + + +------------------------------------------\\ ------------- + | Internet: cee1@Ra.MsState.Edu \\ -------------------- + | Bitnet: cee1@MSSTATE.BITNET >> Jesus Christ is Lord + | Real Identity: Charles Edward Evans // -------------------- + +------------------------------------------// -------------- + + +Article 9210 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!caen!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au!andrewd +From: andrewd@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Dunstan) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <4521@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> +Date: 9 Sep 91 23:38:59 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Sender: news@ucs.adelaide.edu.au +Reply-To: andrewd@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Dunstan) +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: chook.ua.oz.au + +In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew +Ormsby) writes: + + +|> +|> Further comment seems unecessary. + +Not to me! I cannot refrain from gloating. Now, will all those who were +sucked in admit their absurd credulity? + +(I bet they won't.) + +####################################################################### +# Andrew Dunstan # There's nothing good or bad # +# Department of Computer Science # but thinking makes it so. # +# University of Adelaide # # +# South Australia # - Shakespeare # +# net: andrewd@cs.adelaide.edu.au # # +####################################################################### + + +Article 9252 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bruce!trlluna!titan!medici!jbm +From: jbm@medici.trl.oz.au (Jacques Guy) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep9.234416.15686@trl.oz.au> +Date: 9 Sep 91 23:44:16 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Sender: news@trl.oz.au (USENET News System) +Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia +Lines: 3 + + +For those of you who read French, crop circles were exposed for the hoax +they are in the October (or November, I'm not sure) 1990 of "Science et Vie". + + +Article 9241 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!unixhub!slacvm!doctorj +From: DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Jon J Thaler) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <91252.212352DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> +Date: 10 Sep 91 05:23:52 GMT +Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center +Lines: 15 + +andrewd@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Dunstan) says: + +> aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes: + + +>> Further comment seems unecessary. + +> Not to me! I cannot refrain from gloating. Now, will all those who were +> sucked in admit their absurd credulity? + +> (I bet they won't.) + +Of course not. They will complain that because *NOT ALL* of the circles +have been proven to be hoaxes, they obviously *MUST* be heralding the +imminent return of the King (I mean Elvis, of course...). + + +Article 9286 of sci.skeptic: +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Path: bilver!dona +From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL +Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 01:54:31 GMT +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.015431.23621@bilver.uucp> +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> <4521@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> + +In article <4521@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> andrewd@chook.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Dunstan) writes: +>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew +>Ormsby) writes: +> +> +>|> +>|> Further comment seems unecessary. +> +>Not to me! I cannot refrain from gloating. Now, will all those who were +>sucked in admit their absurd credulity? +> +>(I bet they won't.) +> +># University of Adelaide # # +># South Australia # - Shakespeare # +># net: andrewd@cs.adelaide.edu.au # # +>####################################################################### + +Why that's fine and dandy..but how do you explain and account for all +the circles that have been created in the UK for the last couple of +hundred years? (yes it has gone on that long)..and while you're +working up a "pat" answer for that..how about giving us the benefit +of you accumulated wisdom on explaining all the various crop circles +in other parts of the world. + +Before you enjoy your (premature) gloating..best do your homework first. + +A number of these circles are created each night..how do you explain the +method that the 2 old geezers use to span the whole of the UK to do _that_. + +*plus* leap over to this continent and make circles in Canada and all over +the US. + +Please explain to me what the "object" is in plate 50, page 92 of "Circular +Evidence" is to me. It sure *don't* look like 2 old guys with a "board". + +Some of these "objects" have been videotaped buzzing over the newly created +circle. In fact, this tape was shown at the MUFON conference at Chicago, +complete with helicopters hovering *over* the object, watching it do it's +"thing". + +I have absolutely no doubt that these 2 *could* hoax a credible looking +circle, however to lump the _whole phenomenon_ in with these 2 bozos +and claim that they hoaxed all the circles in the UK is in error. + +Here's a simple enough test..the next few that are created in the UK..let's +see if fric and frac are anywhere near..no? they were in a pub the night +that an elaborate one is created? Tsk Tsk... + +No doubt that some people are ingenious enough to hoax a circle..but +let's examine closely what _kind_ of circle they do produce and what +the evidence says by looking at all of it..do they press and swirl +the crop with the board and is it uniform with - no - breakage..no +damage,etc. + +Sorry, but I just don't buy the explanation that's been given thus +far in all of this thread. Flimsy, verrryy flimsy.A Joke :-) + +Don + + +-- +-* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us. +USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :-) +UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona KING George Bush?? Just say NO! +UFO's in commercials....is the GOVT getting us ready for OCTOBER of 1992? + + +Article 9296 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!uw-beaver!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!xn!olson +From: olson@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Steve Olson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles ... Solved! (??????) +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 21:57:40 GMT +References: <09099122.25.40PML3@lehigh.bitnet> +Sender: usenet@xn.ll.mit.edu +Organization: M.I.T. Lincoln Lab - Group 43 +Lines: 35 +In-Reply-To: PML3@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU's message of 10 Sep 91 03:26:08 GMT + +In article <09099122.25.40PML3@lehigh.bitnet> PML3@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (King of Birds (AKA: Paul Lewis)) writes: + +> Whether or not a plasma ball can crush wheat or not, I don't know, but +> there's no way in hell that one could create a design like that on +> the Led Zeppelin box set cover... +> +> Paul Lewis | 'The love you take is equal to the love you make.' | + +You're almost certainly correct on that score, the hoax explaination accounts +for both the very complex shapes and the concentration of the circles +in England. Another problem with the plasma ball hypothesis is that it +didn't explain why so many circles were in southern England. + +I'm a bit puzzled, though, about the non-English circles. We are somewhat +at the mercy of the qualilty, or the lack thereof, of the reports on +non-English circles. Did they all have the bent-but-not-broken effect? +If so, how come everybody who guesses the secret immediately goes and and +hoaxes a circle himself instead of announcing his discovery? Its interesting +that some people, Randi comes to mind, came close to the truth without +hitting on the board trick. + +I regard that it is possible (OK, slightly possible - OK, *very* slightly +possible) that a few of the simplest circles might have a natural origin. +After all, even the English hoaxers (BTW, great timing for the _The Economist_ +article, huh?) were inspired by earlier incidents. Not that that really +proves anything, of course. + +This plasma ball/ball lightning stuff sounds pretty cool, although we still +need an explaination on how these things could be created naturally. + +-- +-- Steve Olson +-- MIT Lincoln Laboratory +-- olson@juliet.ll.mit.edu +-- + + +Article 9333 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!qip!john +From: john@anasaz (John Moore) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.150517.19086@anasaz> +Date: 10 Sep 91 15:05:17 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Az +Lines: 20 + +In article rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes: +]But, of course, this doesn't prove that all crop circles were hoaxes. +]After all, one of them _could_ have been done somewhere by an alien, +]that looked just like all the rest. How are you going to prove that +]it wasn't? I expect to see a lot of that argument coming up soon. + +If I remember correctly, there is somewhat of a tradition of elegant hoaxes +in England. These gentlemen were continuing in that tradition. + +There may also be natural crop circles. A fellow here at the office used to +be a wheat farmer in Kansas. He said that he occasionally would find circles +of downed wheat in his fields. He never thought much of it, since it seemed +to be a natural phenomenon. These observations were in the 50's and 60's in +Kansas. +-- +John Moore HAM:NJ7E/CAP:T-Bird 381 ames!ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john +USnail: 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale,AZ 85253 anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu +Voice: (602) 951-9326 john@anasaz.UUCP +Opinion: Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! +Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are all my fault, and no one elses. + + +Article 9272 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!netnews.srv.cs.cmu.edu!gerry +From: gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 10 Sep 91 16:14:54 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Reply-To: gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: onion.frc.ri.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu's message of 10 Sep 91 01:21:51 GMT + +What I love about believers in the paranormal is that when you slap +them in the face with PROOF that their belief is unfounded, they just +ignore it. If Uri Gellar were to admit publically that he is a fraud, +I bet that there are several readers here who would claim: +-He is lying +-He actually uses PSI without knowing it. + +WAKE UP PEOPLE. They admitted that the crop circles were a hoax. +They have shown quite convincingly that they are easy to produce. +This is overwhelming evidence. They is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to +indicate that they were created otherwise. + +-- +Gerry Roston (gerry@cs.cmu.edu) | Statues of marble or brass will perish; and +Field Robotics Center, | statues made in imitation of them are not +Carnegie Mellon University | the same statues... But print and reprint a +Pittsburgh, PA, 15213 | thought a thousand times over, and that +(412) 268-6557 | with materials of any kind... the thought + | is eternally and identically the same + | thought in every case. Thomas Paine + + +Article 9320 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflorida!terrell +From: terrell@astro (Dirk Terrell) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <31022@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> +Date: 10 Sep 91 23:45:39 GMT +References: <12251@bunny.GTE.COM> +Sender: news@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU +Organization: Dept. of Astronomy, Univ. of Florida +Lines: 26 + +In article <12251@bunny.GTE.COM> dir2@gte.com (Dean Radin) writes: +>In article +>gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes: +>> What I love about believers in the paranormal is that when you slap +>> them in the face with PROOF that their belief is unfounded, they just +>> ignore it. +> +>What Gerry (as well as many skeptics) doesn't seem to appreciate is that +>perseverance of belief is a two-edged sword. +> +>Social psychologists have very nicely shown that if you agree with an +>hypothesis, you will see new data that agrees with the hypothesis as +>valid and logical, but if the new data doesn't agree, then you'll see the +>data as wrong, not the hypothesis. + It's been a while since I looked at this, but a study by Glick and Snyder +(_The Humanist_, vol 46 pp. 20-25 (1986) showed that people skeptical of +astrology (I think) when shown data that supported astrology tended become +more receptive to the hypothesis. On the other hand, believers of astrology +when presented with evidence against astrology, did NOT change their +position. Hmmm..... + +-- +________________________________________________________________________ +Dirk Terrell | +Department of Astronomy| "Einstein said there is no such thing as time." +University of Florida | Shirley McClaine + + +Article 9354 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen +From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <46868@cup.portal.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 06:16:26 GMT +References: + <12251@bunny.GTE.COM> + <31022@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Lines: 9 + +I find it amusing and disappointing that the new standard of skeptics proof +is a tabloid. Wow! Sounds more like desperation than proof. Maybe it is +possible that two 60 year old men could make over 500 cc in Europe in one +season. Now here is where I would say spacecraft were involved carrying +the men around. But that leaves the fact that the sound above and below +human hearing has been detected and presented. So now skeptics run out +and buy some more tabliods to explain how dragging a board leaves a circle +with measurable sounds in it. Skeptics are a hoax! Tabloids are real. +Don Showen + + +Article 9338 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.001958.26861@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 00:19:58 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 17 + +In article gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes: +>What I love about believers in the paranormal is that when you slap +>them in the face with PROOF that their belief is unfounded, they just +>ignore it. If Uri Gellar were to admit publically that he is a fraud, +>I bet that there are several readers here who would claim: +>-He is lying +>-He actually uses PSI without knowing it. + + It's worse than that. A channeller was shown to be a fraud, and the +followers said "He's a fraud now, but before it was real". sigh. +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9366 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!venus.iucf.indiana.edu!graham +From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.044249.14504@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 03:32:40 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Sender: news@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) +Reply-To: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: Somewhere in Bloomington, Indiana +Lines: 39 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 +Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.iucf.indiana.edu + +In article , gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes... +> +>WAKE UP PEOPLE. They admitted that the crop circles were a hoax. + +No. Two elderly gentlemen _claim_ that they are the culprits. + +>They have shown quite convincingly that they are easy to produce. + +No. They have shown, quite convincingly that they are perfectly capable of +mashing plants flat to the ground. + +>This is overwhelming evidence. They is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to +>indicate that they were created otherwise. + +No. It isn't event close to "overwhelming". It _is_ evidence that +these guys are capable of mashing a bunch of plants to make a poor excuse +of a duplicate of the patterns we've been seeing. + +The bottom line? I'm skeptical not only of the claims of those that the +circles are from aliens or from a "plasma vortex", but also of the claims +from ANYONE that they are solely responsible for the patterns created +for the last decade. + +Until these guys can show, on demand, that they can just as _accurately_ +reproduce one of the _complex_ patterns, I shall remain a skeptic, +believing only that no explanation has yet been found. + +>Gerry Roston (gerry@cs.cmu.edu) | Statues of marble or brass will perish; and + +Jim Graham + + -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <- + Neither do they speak for me. + ______________________________________________________________________ +| Internet: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu | +| UUCP: dolmen!graham@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu | +| BBS: The PORTAL DOLMEN BBS/ParaNet ALPHA-GAMMA (sm) (9:1012/13) | +| (812) 334-0418, 24hrs. | +|______________________________________________________________________| + + +Article 9337 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.001816.26771@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 00:18:16 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 16 + +In article cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) writes: +> About other nations with them, maybe toher people 'know' how to do them. +> I just don't buy it. They would have been spotted long ago. And what about +> the high E-fields in the centers? + + What about them? (First I've heard of it). Are there also high E-fileds +in the center of circles known to be hoaxes? + + +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9327 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!egnr76 +From: egnr76@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <12933@castle.ed.ac.uk> +Date: 10 Sep 91 08:46:34 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: Edinburgh University +Lines: 18 + +In article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +> +>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. + + There was an article in Fortean Times recently which described apparent +crop circles appearing well before these two hoaxers were born. On the positive side, +revelation of the hoax will allow investigators to determine characteristics of this +type of hoax. However the circles that have appeared in Asia, Canada, and America +could just be explained by copy cat hoaxes (although this seems less likely in Asia) + + I'm just keeping an open mind and listening to what goes on right now. +I can't make a final judgment without putting in a lot of work. + + +Article 9331 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!stevedc +From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.122024.27230@syma.sussex.ac.uk> +Date: 10 Sep 91 12:20:24 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: University of Sussex +Lines: 23 + +From article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, by cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook): +> +> In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. +> + + +Agreed. + +Nor does it explain how (as reported on this morning's BBC Radio 4 - +ie serious- Farming Today program) up to 20 of this year's reported +300 (!) have happened on the same night. + +Stephen Carter, Systems Manager, The Administration, +The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9RH, UK +Tel: +44 273 678203 Fax: +44 273 678335 JANET: stevedc@uk.ac.sussex.syma +EARN/BITNET : stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk UUCP: stevedc@syma.uucp +ARPA/INTERNET: stevedc%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk + + +Article 9365 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!cernvax!chx400!ugun2b!ugsc2a!cornell +From: cornell@sc2a.unige.ch +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.195128.545@sc2a.unige.ch> +Date: 10 Sep 91 17:51:28 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Followup-To: sci.skeptic +Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland +Lines: 25 + +In article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +> +> In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. + + These men may well not have been the fakers of ALL the crop circles +worldwide, or even of all the ones they claim, but the fact that they managed +to prepare a crop circle that fooled an expert does prove that fraud is a quite +reasonable explanation of the phenomenon. + +> +> Peter R. Cook | Disclaimer: "Quoth the Raven, eat my shorts man!" +> Digital Equip. Corp. +-------------------------------------------------- +> Marlboro, MA. | "1984 has past, forget about Big Brother, welcome +> 508-467-6936 | to the 90's where the government's your mother!" +> +> ~ The opinions expressed above are the author's only and do not reflect the ~ +> ~ opinions or anything else of Digital Equipment Corporation. ~ + +Stephen Cornell. + + +Article 9292 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!drwho +From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.193301.29315@wpi.WPI.EDU> +Date: 10 Sep 91 19:33:01 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 17 + +In article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +> +>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. + +When skeptics hear about something like this, they often say, +"I bet I could do that." + +--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu) # "I know! You can play with your magic +Disclaimer: "It's all absolutely # nose goblins!" +devastatingly true, except the bits # "I picked them myself..." +that are lies." --Douglas Adams # --Ren & Stimpy + + +Article 9335 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!qip!john +From: john@anasaz (John Moore) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.210014.17234@anasaz> +Date: 11 Sep 91 21:00:14 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.234010.16001@bilver.uucp> +Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Az +Lines: 29 + +In article <1991Sep10.234010.16001@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: +]I also have pictures of a crop ringlet that was created in Arizona..I +]guess Bower and Chorley must also be the MIB to create those as well. + +When and where, please? Enquiring Arizona minds want to know :-) Seriously, +I would be interested in hearing/seeing this information. + +]While I do not doubt that some circles have been hoaxed, it is absolute +]rubbish to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is being suggested +]here. + +It is clearly too soon for skeptics to conclude that the story is over. Anyone +taking this press report and instantly trumpeting a conclusion that all CC's +are hoaxes is making the same sort of illogical leap made by the proponents +of so much UFO/PSI/Conspiracy/??? nonsense. However, it would not surprise +me at all to find: + (1) all elaborate crop "circles" are hoaxes. I have not heard of ANY + non-circular ones before crop circles became a tabloid phenomenon. + (2) many simple crop circles are natural (I know someone who saw them + over 20 years ago in Kansas). + +What we desperately need is to hear more details from folks over in +Jolly Old England! +-- +John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253 (602-951-9326) +ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john john@anasaz.UUCP anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu +"It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth +part..." B. Franklin - Standard Disclaimer Applies - + - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - - + + +Article 9332 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!icdoc!syma!roys +From: roys@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Roy Stead) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Summary: Guardian report +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.125029.28558@syma.sussex.ac.uk> +Date: 10 Sep 91 12:50:29 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Organization: University of Sussex +Lines: 50 + +In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes: +>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +>The perpetrators are Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, both in their +>sixties. They've been creating circles for 13 years. + +The story is reported in today's _Guardian_ (10/9/91). The _Guardian_ report, +by the way, describes Bower & Chorley as "the Wessex Skeptics, from +Southampton University," which appears to be an actual Skeptics society, since +later the report mentions: "Robin Allan, spokesman for the Wessex Skeptics, +said their circle was made by hand last month in two hours with a garden +roller." (This doesn't seem consistent with the _Today_ report as to how the +circles were made - and certainly doesn't suggest that the stalks would be +unbroken) However, "Experts judged [the circle] a textbook example, and 100 +per cent genuine. Dowsers reported strong reactions, and a medium was carried +away complaining of nausea." + +"Martin Pitt, the farmer who lent his land to the TV company [before whose +cameras a circle was created], was less certain that the hoax admission has +ended more than a decade of speculation. 'We only set out to prove a circle +could be man-made and the experts couldn'tc really tell one way or the other, +But it does no prove that there are not genuine ones as well,' he said." + +"Four days later, another circle appeared on Mr Pitt's land without his +permission or knowledge." + +A Mr Colin Andrews, director of field operations at the Centre for Crop Circle +Studies, said of the Wessex Skeptics's circle "Straight away we can see +everything we would expect to see in a hoax. The plants are broken, it is +extremely ragged and obviously a hoax. There is nothing here to impress us +except two very fit 60-year-olds." + +"[Mr Andrews] calculated that of 300-plus circles that have appeared this +year, about 70 were hoaxes - but that did not explain how 20 circles a night, +at the season's peak, were appearing. + +"Mr [Patrick] Delgado said the confession of the two hoaxers did not explain +what had been happening worldwide. + +"'Yesterday there were circles found on a prairie in Canada. Have these two +guys been there with their board?'" + +According to the _Guardian_, the TV report will be shown on Channel 4 (UK) as +part of the _Equinox_ series - next month. + +All the best, + +Roy + + +Article 9287 of sci.skeptic: +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Path: bilver!dona +From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL +Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1991 02:02:57 GMT +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.020257.23749@bilver.uucp> +References: <91254.063921DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> + +In article <91254.063921DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Jon J Thaler) writes: +>dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) says: +> +>> While I do not doubt that some circles have been hoaxed, it is absolute +>> rubbish to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is being suggested +>> here. +> +>I am going to claim my $10,000 from James Randi now. As you netters may +>recall, I predicted the existence of this post about two days ago. A +>clear case of precognition, if there ever was one. + +Clearly the award should go to me for *knowing* that you would post +this response. :-) + +A Skeptic? Are those the guys that think the world is flat and there +is no such thing as God? :-) + +Don + + +-- +-* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us. +USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :-) +UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona KING George Bush?? Just say NO! +UFO's in commercials....is the GOVT getting us ready for OCTOBER of 1992? + + +Article 9311 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!icd.ab.com!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!kambic +From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (George X. Kambic, Allen-Bradley Inc.) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Executive Summary [was: Fractals...] +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.155734.5654@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> +Date: 10 Sep 91 20:57:34 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com> +Lines: 33 + +In article <1991Sep9.162645.6370@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +> +[...] +>>ever hope to do. +> +> Do you mean that you don't really want a "repeatable experiment"? That +> you'd prefer not to have proof to deal with? That all the talk was just +> that... talk? +> +> I didn't insult you. I merely said that the crop symbols were the hard +> evidence you keep saying you require. No talk of "pity"... no mention of +> "silly"... nothing said of "misguided insistence" at all. +It is your opinion that the crop symbols are hard evidence. Lots of data +have been presented as hard evidence. How the crop circles qualify as hard +evidence is something that you had better make a case for. There are +a lot of arguments about "cannot be done by current technology, can't reach +them from the ground, etc.". All of which is not true for every circle. If +you have a group of circles that defy all current explanations, get the +data up. +> +> You know what? I don't think you really want hard evidence because you +> DON'T WANT proof that psi exists. It's your ego that drives you... not +> your intellect. +> +> None are so blind are those who WILL NOT see. +Whatever in the heck this means? + + +This is a joke, right? You are really a closet skeptic? (Or skeptical +of closets?) + +GXKambic +stamped, flattended, standard disclaimer + + +Article 9468 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!wang!news +From: warren@worlds.com (Warren Burstein) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Fractals & Crop Circles +Message-ID: <629@vaccine.UUCP> +Date: 11 Sep 91 13:47:53 GMT +References: <1991Sep6.172310.11183@engage.pko.dec.com> +Sender: news@wang.com +Organization: WorldWide Software +Lines: 15 + +stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: + +> Now it's your turn. What symbol would YOU like to see written in the fields? + +> You try it now and maybe we can get a repeatable experiment going +> for all of those hard-science types. + +A simple circle. As long as James Randi is standing in the center of +it. Just having the symbol show up somewhere and unobserved is an +invitation to fraud. +-- +/|/-\/-\ The entire world Jerusalem + |__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot + |warren@ But the farmer +/ worlds.COM is not worried at all. + + +Article 9432 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!srg!news +From: akerson@srg.uucp (Akerson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles and space aliens. +Keywords: crop-circles, aliens +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.220901.2238@srg.uucp> +Date: 11 Sep 91 22:09:01 GMT +Expires: 10/01/91 +References: <09099122.25.40PML3@lehigh.bitnet> +Sender: akerson +Followup-To: Re: crop-circles +Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD +Lines: 27 + + + After reading through the thread on crop circles, a +couple of questions : + +Question 1: + There is no parallel discussion of similar supposedly +alien visitations to livestock raising concerns. Presumably +the same space aliens are responsible for both. If so why +do they leave impressions in the soil and kill livestock in +one case, while only flattening plants in the second. + +Question 2: + If these circles are some kind of natural phenomenon, +then where are the reports of similar circles found +on moors, swamps, marshes, tundra, snow, parking lots, etc. + +If there are not numerous "non-crop" circles, then natural +phenomenon seems to be ruled out. + +If space aliens are to blame then there must be more than 1 +kind of alien visitation device or species, or whatever. + +-Pete +uunet!srg!akerson +akerson%srg@uunet.UUCP +-- +- Pete + + +Article 9372 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!ox-prg!oxuniv!ameij +From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circle Requests +Message-ID: <1991Sep10.132836.1767@vax.oxford.ac.uk> +Date: 10 Sep 91 12:28:36 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.163348.6652@engage.pko.dec.com> +Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster +Lines: 8 + +In article <1991Sep9.163348.6652@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +> +> Fine! You don't want proof either. I guess you guys already know +> everything there is to know anyway. +> +> Goodbye + +Do you have the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" in the US? + + +Article 9391 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!lanl!cochiti.lanl.gov!jlg +From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circle Requests +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.161155.24929@beta.lanl.gov> +Date: 11 Sep 91 16:11:55 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.163348.6652@engage.pko.dec.com> <1991Sep10.132836.1767@vax.oxford.ac.uk> +Sender: news@beta.lanl.gov (Usenet News) +Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory +Lines: 9 + +In article <1991Sep10.132836.1767@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: +|> [...] +|> Do you have the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" in the US? + +Yes, but it's probably grounds for expulsion on many university +campuses - it's not politically correct, you know, to use the word +`black' in a phrase which implies that it's a derogatory term. + +J. Giles + + +Article 9406 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circle Requests +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.192220.4921@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:22:20 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.163348.6652@engage.pko.dec.com> <1991Sep10.132836.1767@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.161155.24929@beta.lanl.gov> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 22 + +In article <1991Sep11.161155.24929@beta.lanl.gov> jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes: +>In article <1991Sep10.132836.1767@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: +>|> [...] +>|> Do you have the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" in the US? +> +>Yes, but it's probably grounds for expulsion on many university +>campuses - it's not politically correct, you know, to use the word +>`black' in a phrase which implies that it's a derogatory term. + + Which gives rise to the urban legend (may or may not be true) about +a financial report that was run through a grammar checker that also made +political-correctness corrections; the phrase "in the black" was changed +to "in the afro-american". + + +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9470 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!wang!news +From: warren@worlds.com (Warren Burstein) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circle Requests +Message-ID: <630@vaccine.UUCP> +Date: 11 Sep 91 13:52:25 GMT +References: +Sender: news@wang.com +Organization: WorldWide Software +Lines: 12 + +revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes: + +> Any suggestiona? + +The Glyph of Bogosity +The Seal of the Suzerain of Good Housekeeping +The Sacred Chao +-- +/|/-\/-\ The entire world Jerusalem + |__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot + |warren@ But the farmer +/ worlds.COM is not worried at all. + + +Article 9383 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU!skywalker +From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Crop circles +Message-ID: <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 14:51:33 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.150517.19086@anasaz> +Sender: usenet@bcm.tmc.edu +Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute +Lines: 14 +Nntp-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu + +Someone please answer this for me. + +If the crop circles are real, why don't we see them in the snow. +Snow would be the perfect medium for circles... + +My guess is, because you can't hide footprints in the snow... +But I bet if we talk about enough we will see them this winter :-) +tim + +-- +Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not HHMI's or Baylor College of Medicine +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +"And we stand and watch the gods and idols fall, as the blameless ones go + blindfold to the wall" Robin Trower.... + + +Article 9399 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!gumby!kzoo!k080093 +From: k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh N. Vander Berg) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.165912.1901@hobbes.kzoo.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 16:59:12 GMT +References: <1991Sep10.150517.19086@anasaz> <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> +Organization: Kalamazoo College +Lines: 16 + +In article <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes: +>Someone please answer this for me. +> +>If the crop circles are real, why don't we see them in the snow. +>Snow would be the perfect medium for circles... +> +>My guess is, because you can't hide footprints in the snow... +>But I bet if we talk about enough we will see them this winter :-) +>tim + +Hmmmm... You just don't get it. The hyperdrives of the aliens don't work +in the cold air of the winter. Sheeez! I thought everyone knew this?? + +Of course, if we talk enough about it we will see some this winter. The +Aliens read this newsgroup, and at this VERY moment, are working feverishly +on a winter-hyperdrive. + + +Article 9427 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!stanford.edu!CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU!Neon.Stanford.EDU!amorgan +From: amorgan@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.201825.28659@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> +Date: 11 Sep 91 20:18:25 GMT +References: <1991Sep10.150517.19086@anasaz> <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <1991Sep11.165912.1901@hobbes.kzoo.edu> +Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University, Ca , USA +Lines: 30 + +In article <1991Sep11.165912.1901@hobbes.kzoo.edu> k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh N. Vander Berg) writes: +>In article <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes: +>>Someone please answer this for me. +>> +>>If the crop circles are real, why don't we see them in the snow. +>>Snow would be the perfect medium for circles... +>> +>>My guess is, because you can't hide footprints in the snow... +>>But I bet if we talk about enough we will see them this winter :-) +>>tim +> +>Hmmmm... You just don't get it. The hyperdrives of the aliens don't work +>in the cold air of the winter. Sheeez! I thought everyone knew this?? +> +>Of course, if we talk enough about it we will see some this winter. The +>Aliens read this newsgroup, and at this VERY moment, are working feverishly +>on a winter-hyperdrive. + +Sheesh, you guys are sooooo out of it. EVERYONE knows that the hyperdrives +don't sieze up in cold air because they manage to go through outer space +where it is really cold just fine (and anyone who wishes to point out that +outer space isn't cold, it just makes anything in it cold can go away. Dont +confuse me with reality). The real reason is that the aliens attach religious +significance to the color white and refuse to desecrate it in any way. Which +brings up the following experiment: Get 300 fraternity guys to hold a party +in the snow. They will piss all over it and turn it yellow. THEN the aliens +will be able to create circles in it. See how simple science is when you +approach it in a rational manner? + +Why not redirect this to sci.sceptic.stupid? + + +Article 9397 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!cs.albany.edu!sarah!newserve!bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu!kym +From: kym@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (R. Kym Horsell) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.172843.29036@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 17:28:43 GMT +References: <1991Sep10.150517.19086@anasaz> <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> +Sender: usenet@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu (Mr News) +Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu + +In article <7480@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes: +>If the crop circles are real, why don't we see them in the snow. +>Snow would be the perfect medium for circles... +> +>My guess is, because you can't hide footprints in the snow... + +My guess would be -- because they would be called ``snow circles'' +instead. ;-) + +Or maybe the weather (snowing, cold, wind, and all that) might alter +whatever conditions might be required for their formation. + +-kym + + +Article 9407 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.192928.5011@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:29:28 GMT +References: <1991Sep11.044249.14504@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> +Distribution: na +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 35 + +In article <1991Sep11.044249.14504@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes: +>In article , gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes... +>>They have shown quite convincingly that they are easy to produce. +>No. They have shown, quite convincingly that they are perfectly capable of +>mashing plants flat to the ground. +> +>>This is overwhelming evidence. They is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to +>>indicate that they were created otherwise. +>No. It isn't event close to "overwhelming". It _is_ evidence that +>these guys are capable of mashing a bunch of plants to make a poor excuse +>of a duplicate of the patterns we've been seeing. + + A poor excuse of a duplicate of the patterns we've been seeing? Is that +why "Corn circle expert Patrick Delgado [author of 'Circular Evidence' and +'The Latest Evidence'] admitted last night 'We have all been conned. +Thousands of lives are going to be wrecked over this'." ? Your comments +are wishful thinking unless you can prove they're different. The experts +who have seen both types say they're the same - where's *your* evidence? + + +>Until these guys can show, on demand, that they can just as _accurately_ +>reproduce one of the _complex_ patterns, I shall remain a skeptic, +>believing only that no explanation has yet been found. + + They did just that, showing how they made straight lines by using +primitive (but effective) surveying tools. Also, they didn't claim they'd +made all of them, just a lot of them. + +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9387 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!aber!aberda!aro +From: aro@cs.aber.ac.uk (Andy Ormsby) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 11 Sep 91 11:30:22 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Sender: news@aber.ac.uk (USENET news service) +Reply-To: aro@cs.aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) +Organization: Computer Science Dept. University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 44 +In-Reply-To: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu's message of 10 Sep 91 01: 21:51 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus + +In article cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) writes: +> +> > I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> > in Asia, Canada, and America. +> +> It seems, if these people had done this for _TWENTY_ years, SOMMMMMEONE +> would have seen it, with all the hundreds there. ANd what about all the +> other shapes Diamonds, antennae, other geometric things. + +As my original posting stated, the British crop-circle creators claim +to have been making circles for thirteen years (13). They started off +by copying Australian circles that farmers over there created (thus +demonstrating the way in which the phenomenon spread from country to +country), but started developing more complex patterns later on. They +made very complex patterns, drawing them out on paper first. + +> About other nations with them, maybe toher people 'know' how to do them. +> I just don't buy it. They would have been spotted long ago. And what about +> the high E-fields in the centers? + +What high E-fields in the centres? In fact, I'm not sure what your +second paragraph is saying at all. Would you care to clarify? + +> This was just on an NBC News-minute thingie. I still am not convinced. + +...of what? I'm glad to hear that you are not prepared to believe +everything you hear, but I'd say that the article in Today (and the +one mentioned by another poster in "Science et Vie") seem to provide a +quantity of evidence for the hypothesis that crop circles (or at least +the complex patterns) are a hoax. + +There may be other reasons for the appearence of crop circles. Some +might be created by space aliens from the planet Tharg, a few by +plasma and some more by a mystery weapon developed by the CIA and kept +secret as part of the well known worldwide conspiracy. However, I +think Occam's razor should be applied at this point. + +What I am surprised not to yet have seen is a claim that the +perpetrators were actually channelers (unconciously, of course) for +someone or other :-) No doubt such a claim will appear here soon. +Without a shred of evidence of any kind, of course. :-( + +Andy Ormsby +aro@cs.aber.ac.uk + + +Article 9408 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.193141.5099@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:31:41 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <12933@castle.ed.ac.uk> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 23 + +In article <12933@castle.ed.ac.uk> egnr76@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes: +>In article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +>> +>>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +>> +>> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +>> in Asia, Canada, and America. +> +> There was an article in Fortean Times recently which described apparent +>crop circles appearing well before these two hoaxers were born. + + Sure - they *said* they got the idea from Australian farmers who had +done it in the late 50's. +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9464 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sarah!newserve!bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu!kym +From: kym@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (R. Kym Horsell) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.215438.873@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 21:54:38 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <12933@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.193141.5099@3D.com> +Sender: usenet@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu (Mr News) +Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu + +In article <1991Sep11.193141.5099@3D.com> kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) writes: +>In article <12933@castle.ed.ac.uk> egnr76@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes: +>> There was an article in Fortean Times recently which described apparent +>>crop circles appearing well before these two hoaxers were born. +> +> Sure - they *said* they got the idea from Australian farmers who had +>done it in the late 50's. + +_Most_ interesting. I remember seeing such things in the Oz newspapers +some time ago. However, I seem to remember it was during the ***60's*** +that the so-called `saucer nests' in Queensland were reported. +(But now that I think about it -- I _think_ there was something +of the same kind reported in or about Adelaide, SA). + +Still strange that this could be kept a (relatively) good secret +for so long... + +>Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +>3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +>VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + +Article 9392 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!rutgers!cmcl2!adm!amsaa-cleo!johnson +From: johnson@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil (Don Johnson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <4181@amsaa-cleo.brl.mil> +Date: 11 Sep 91 15:14:09 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.122024.27230@syma.sussex.ac.uk> +Organization: AMSAA/GWD, APG, MD 21005 +Lines: 16 + +In article <1991Sep10.122024.27230@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes: + +>Nor does it explain how (as reported on this morning's BBC Radio 4 - +>ie serious- Farming Today program) up to 20 of this year's reported +>300 (!) have happened on the same night. + +>Stephen Carter, Systems Manager, The Administration, + +I find it hard to believe 20 crop circles appeared in one night. Please +list the locations, dates and discoverers. + +Or maybe this is an attempt at misdirection? + + +-- +W. Donald Johnson + + +Article 9415 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!silver!sizemor +From: sizemor@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jim Sizemore (alias Gunga Jim)) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.182140.460@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 18:21:40 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Sender: news@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu + +In article <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +> +>In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk>, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes... +>>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. +> +> Peter R. Cook | Disclaimer: "Quoth the Raven, eat my shorts man!" +> Digital Equip. Corp. +-------------------------------------------------- +> Marlboro, MA. | "1984 has past, forget about Big Brother, welcome +> 508-467-6936 | to the 90's where the government's your mother!" +> +>~ The opinions expressed above are the author's only and do not reflect the ~ +>~ opinions or anything else of Digital Equipment Corporation. ~ + +How about Asian, Canadian and American pranksters doing the same thing +as two blokes in England? +-- + ################################################################# +# Gunga Jim # If only that damn buzzing # +# (alias Jim Sizemore) # in my head would stop! # +# Wanted in 6 states, unwanted # _______________ # +# in the other 44. # IU doesn't even know I do this # +# sizemor@ucs.indiana.edu # let alone speak for them. # + ################################################################# + + +Article 9379 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!ogicse!orstcs!jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!woodc +From: woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> +Date: 11 Sep 91 13:29:45 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Sender: @usenet@CS.ORST.EDU +Organization: Oregon State University, CS Dept. +Lines: 26 +Nntp-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu + +In article <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes: +>Today's "Today" newspaper (a UK national tabloid) exposes corn circles +>as a hoax. The story is the lead on page 1, and there is accompanying +>information explaining how the hoax is carried out inside. +> +>The perpetrators are Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, both in their +>sixties. They've been creating circles for 13 years. + +I have a hard time believing this for a few reasons... + +1) I find it hard to believe that two men in their 60's would be capable +of (or would even want to for that matter) finding the time to make hundreds +or thousands of corn field designs. (Not much of a social life that these +guys have, huh?) + +2) Even if they could produce that many designs, I find it hard to belief +no one has caught them in the act. + +3) This still doesn't explain the mysterious high pitched noise when you +take a microphone just inside of the crop circles and how the sound +disapears immediately after you step outside of the circle. +-- ++---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ +| Chris Wood | "If you can't convince them, confuse them." | +| woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu | -unknown | ++---------------------------+----------------------------------------------+ + + +Article 9398 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!cs.albany.edu!sarah!newserve!bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu!kym +From: kym@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (R. Kym Horsell) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.173304.29118@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 17:33:04 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> +Sender: usenet@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu (Mr News) +Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu + +In article gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes: +>The point is this, these guys showed a technique they claim to have +>been using for many years to create these circles. Now, does anyone +>honestly think that they are the only two people on the entire Earth +>who are capable of concocting this scheme? Has noone else ever heard +>of copy-cats? + +Yes, I guess I have. + +During the early part of this century various people tried to pass +off all sorts of stuff as dinosaur remains. Kinda got in the way +of serious research. + +Just that good ol' human lust for notoriety, I guess. + +-kym + + +Article 9410 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.193953.5294@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:39:53 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 29 + +In article <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok) writes: +>1) I find it hard to believe that two men in their 60's would be capable +>of (or would even want to for that matter) finding the time to make hundreds +>or thousands of corn field designs. (Not much of a social life that these +>guys have, huh?) + + Once again, they didn't claim they'd made all of them, just that *they +as a team* had been doing it for 13 years. + + +>2) Even if they could produce that many designs, I find it hard to belief +>no one has caught them in the act. + + Why? Who watches a corn field? + + +>3) This still doesn't explain the mysterious high pitched noise when you +>take a microphone just inside of the crop circles and how the sound +>disapears immediately after you step outside of the circle. + + It doesn't have to. Do you get the same effect from the circles +that these guys made? +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9440 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!convex!quattro +From: quattro@convex.com (Marc Quattromani) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.222627.27338@convex.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 22:26:27 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> <1991Sep11.193953.5294@3D.com> +Sender: usenet@convex.com (news access account) +Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com + +In article <1991Sep11.193953.5294@3D.com> kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) writes: +>In article <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok) writes: +>>2) Even if they could produce that many designs, I find it hard to belief +>>no one has caught them in the act. +> +> Why? Who watches a corn field? + +This whole crop circle thing is fairly new to me but one has to +wonder, if it was so hard for two men to do the hoax unobserved, why +is it so easy for aliens to create the circles unobserved. + +One could argue that the men would take much longer to create such +circles and therefore have more opportunity to be observed. On the +otherhand, one could argue that alien spacecraft ought to be easier to +spot and more noticeable than two hum-drum earthlings. + +-- +Marc Quattromani Convex Computer Corporation + Richardson, Texas +quattro@convex.COM + + +Article 9431 of sci.skeptic: +Xref: bilver sci.skeptic:9431 alt.paranormal:2756 alt.alien.visitors:1641 +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ibmchs!auschs!awdprime!woofer.austin.ibm.com!craigb +From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <10939@awdprime.UUCP> +Date: 11 Sep 91 17:16:51 GMT +References: <1991Sep11.064510.20415@newshost.anu.edu.au> <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Sender: news@awdprime.UUCP +Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com +Followup-To: sci.skeptic +Organization: IBM Object Technology Products +Lines: 17 + +Well, this may be rather naive of me, but if these two guys have confessed to +being the culprits, and assuming that they aren't going to do it anymore, I'd +think that there number of crop circle incidents in the area would take a +nosedive...granted, others might attempt to 'take over the mantle', as it +were, but I kinda get the idea these jokers were fanatics. + +Craig + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- "I mean, foreign agent or no, Craig Becker, Object Technology Products -- +-- I've done good work for the Internet: craigb@ot.vnet.ibm.com -- +-- city. I never compromised my Austin: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com -- +-- integrity, except a few times." VNET: CRAIGB at AUSVM1 -- +---------------------- Lt. Okking ------------------------------------------- +-- off 808/1K-020 zip 3008 ph (512) 823-1756 tl 793-1756 hm (512) 346-5397 -- +-- IBM Personal Systems Programming, 11400 Burnet Road, Austin, TX, 78759 -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +Article 9423 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!venus.iucf.indiana.edu!graham +From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.195234.5799@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 18:49:06 GMT +References: <91254.063921DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> +Sender: news@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) +Reply-To: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: Somewhere in Bloomington, Indiana +Lines: 24 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 +Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.iucf.indiana.edu + +In article <91254.063921DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, DOCTORJ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Jon J Thaler) writes... +>dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) says: +> +>> While I do not doubt that some circles have been hoaxed, it is absolute +>> rubbish to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is being suggested +>> here. +> +>I am going to claim my $10,000 from James Randi now. As you netters may +>recall, I predicted the existence of this post about two days ago. A +>clear case of precognition, if there ever was one. + +Yes, but, is it true? + +Jim + + + -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <- + Neither do they speak for me. + ______________________________________________________________________ +| Internet: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu | +| UUCP: dolmen!graham@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu | +| BBS: The PORTAL DOLMEN BBS/ParaNet ALPHA-GAMMA (sm) (9:1012/13) | +| (812) 334-0418, 24hrs. | +|______________________________________________________________________| + + +Article 9448 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ai065 +From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.041631.11276@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Date: 12 Sep 91 04:16:31 GMT +Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA) +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu + + + Many of the "skeptics" on this SIG are too quick to debunk crop circles. +There are several questions that still need to be met. + +1- Is this method fast enough to create crop circles over night? If so, how +many people will it take to produce some of the "unhoaxed" circles? +[Above should read- how many people will it take to produce one of these +"unhoaxed" circles in one night?] + +2- Has the "bending but not breaking" effect been proven to exist in crop +circles? If so, is the method able to produce such an effect? + +3- Based on the amount of people needed to produce your average size crop +circle, how many people would it take to produce the amount of circles made +in one month or year? + +4- Are there any other characteristics of crop circles that this method is +unable to produce? If so, are there any other known methods which can? + + If your simply going to reach a conclusion without putting the "solution" to +a few tests then your no longer a skeptic... + + Tom +-- + __ Make no bones about it, I'm an avid promoter of the Amiga computer. If + __/// you resent that because you were ripped off then that is your problem. + \XX/ :') "In every revolution.....there is one man...with a vision!" - Kirk + The Cryptozoology Information Network Want on our Email mailing list? + + +Article 9433 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.212757.18818@3D.com> +Date: 12 Sep 91 21:27:57 GMT +References: <1991Sep12.041631.11276@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 42 + +In article <1991Sep12.041631.11276@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: +> +> Many of the "skeptics" on this SIG are too quick to debunk crop circles. +>There are several questions that still need to be met. +> +>1- Is this method fast enough to create crop circles over night? If so, how +>many people will it take to produce some of the "unhoaxed" circles? +>[Above should read- how many people will it take to produce one of these +>"unhoaxed" circles in one night?] + + Depends on the size of the circle, but based on some of my +experiments (based on the reports) I could make a 40' circle in about an +hour. I've also designed a widget that would let me fold down the crops +as fast as I could walk. + + +>2- Has the "bending but not breaking" effect been proven to exist in crop +>circles? If so, is the method able to produce such an effect? + + Just depends on hjow much weight is applied and how high up on the plant. + + +>3- Based on the amount of people needed to produce your average size crop +>circle, how many people would it take to produce the amount of circles made +>in one month or year? + + ("number", "not amount"). I suspect I could do three of four a night +without sweating. + + +>4- Are there any other characteristics of crop circles that this method is +>unable to produce? If so, are there any other known methods which can? + + Well, it was apparently announced as genuine by a "crop-circle +expert". What characteristics do the mysterious crop circles have? +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9456 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ai065 +From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.044438.14371@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Date: 12 Sep 91 04:44:38 GMT +Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA) +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu + + + Just a small observation...If you are a "skeptic", shouldn't you be a bit +skeptical about a board and a rope being the answer to a mystery that has +been on a good many "experts" minds? I only ask that we submit this "answer" +to the same thought process that made some of us skeptics in the fist place. + + Tom +-- + __ Make no bones about it, I'm an avid promoter of the Amiga computer. If + __/// you resent that because you were ripped off then that is your problem. + \XX/ :') "In every revolution.....there is one man...with a vision!" - Kirk + The Cryptozoology Information Network Want on our Email mailing list? + + +Article 9491 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!ucsd!qualcom.qualcomm.com!cancun!rdippold +From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: crop circle confession a hoax? +Message-ID: +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:32:09 GMT +References: +Sender: news@qualcomm.com +Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cancun.qualcomm.com + +jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes: +>However, this is where any resemblance to sanity ends, in my opinion. The +>article also says that the hoaxers "gave detailed information about how +>they planned and executed each design since the late 1970s." Either they +>only meant the most elaborate and sensational designs and neglected to say +>so, or the claim is stretching credibility. We're talking about a *lot* of +>circles for men in their 60s. Furthermore, the newspaper makes the claim + +The important thing is not that we have two people who have been doing +this... they obviously could not have done them all. The important +thing is that we have shown that there is a perfectly normal +explaination for crop circles. The claims we've had are that such +things are too round, symetrical, too big, etc. to be made by humans, +and that the crop circle experts would be able to tell if it was made +by humans. + +To which this proves: Bullshit! The crop circle experts are just as +easily hoaxed as the next person. People can make the crop circles +attributed to aliens. There is no need to involve a mysterious +unknown outside source to account for them. + +-- +Standard disclaimer applies, you legalistic hacks. | Ron Dippold + + +Article 9441 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!al463 +From: al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Dave and Doug's crop circle hoax +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.230937.3041@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 23:09:37 GMT +Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA) +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu + + +This is REALLY unrelated to anything resembling seriousness but, + +wouldnt it be cool if Frank Bartyles and Ed James made a commercial +for their most excellent wine coolers, and in it they were making a +crop circle? Just a silly thought. :-) + +That is about as much credibility as I give to Dave and Doug. All you +skeptics ACCEPTED their story TOO EASILY. Until I've done a circle +myself, I believe no one. Nuff said. + +Chris +-- +Christopher A. Joseph (Chris)|"You can go wrong by being too skeptical + al463@cleveland.freenet.edu |as readily as by being too trusting"L.L. +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +"!ELUR sebboH dna nivlaC" << Subliminal Message | FNORD!| Praise "Bob" + + +Article 9511 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!mprgate.mpr.ca!mprgate.mpr.ca!spani +From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Fractals & Crop Circles +Message-ID: <1991Sep13.213205.12963@mprgate.mpr.ca> +Date: 13 Sep 91 21:32:05 GMT +References: <1991Sep6.172310.11183@engage.pko.dec.com> <629@vaccine.UUCP> +Sender: news@mprgate.mpr.ca +Followup-To: sci.skeptic +Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 28 + + +In article <629@vaccine.UUCP>, warren@worlds.com (Warren Burstein) writes: +|> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes: +|> +|> > Now it's your turn. What symbol would YOU like to see written in the fields? +|> +|> > You try it now and maybe we can get a repeatable experiment going +|> > for all of those hard-science types. +|> +|> A simple circle. As long as James Randi is standing in the center of +|> it. Just having the symbol show up somewhere and unobserved is an +|> invitation to fraud. +|> -- + + +I've got it. + +I would like to a 100 foot wheat field representation of James +Randi's face. Sticking his tongue out. + + +That would get both "sides" nervous. + +-- +*********************************************************************** +| Leonard E. Spani | //!?\\ | (disclaimer-p) | +| spani@tartarus.mpr.ca | \\?!// | t | +*********************************************************************** + + +Article 9497 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!fang!att!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!steve +From: steve@root.co.uk (Steve Ratcliffe) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop Circles ... Solved! (??????) +Message-ID: <3073@root44.co.uk> +Date: 10 Sep 91 19:43:06 GMT +Article-I.D.: root44.3073 +References: <1991Sep6.230553.23359@3D.com> <1991Sep9.123055.20860@syma.sussex.ac.uk> +Distribution: sci +Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England +Lines: 42 + +In <1991Sep9.123055.20860@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes: + +>I pass on what I heard on the radio (BBC Radio 4) this morning (9th +>Sept). Others may have better accounts... + +>A UK tabloid (Today?) has been running the story that two oldish +>blokes have owned up to creating all of the Crop Circles. Apparently +>they claim to have used boards on ropes (hence the bending at ground +>level). + +Douglas Bower and David Chorley, both in their 60s. + +Yes, the story appeared in "Today" on 9 Sept, with a followup article +today (10th). The equipment they claim to have used was a piece of +wood 4ft long with rope reins. You hold the reins and put one foot on +the stick and push down on the corn. + +They claim to have started making the circles in the summer of +1978. + +>They 'created' a Circle to order, and the newspaper then got it looked +>at by an 'expert' who apparently verified that it could not have been +>made by man-made means. + +I'll try to describe the demonstration "circle" that they made for the +paper: Two large filled circles with a (8ft wide) line joining them. +The connecting line forms the diameter of two concentric rings. From +the smaller filled circle there are two "antennae" (a line jutting out +of the circle with a small circle on the end) From the other circle +there is a "ladder" and there is a semi-circlular ring with the ladder +as its diagonal (roughly). + +The 'expert' was Pat Delgado (author of "Circular Evidence") who is reported +as saying: "In no way could this have been a hoax". + +>So, who is hoaxing who? Are these two hoaxing the Circle students, or +>is the report that that they are, itself a hoax. :-) + +>I attach NO value judgement to this report. + +There were few details in the report so it is difficult to judge the +claims. I may followup with some opinions when I have the time. + + +Article 9517 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!gtx!al +From: al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1625@gtx.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 21:15:08 GMT +References: <12251@bunny.GTE.COM> <31022@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> <46868@cup.portal.com> +Reply-To: al@gtx.UUCP (Alan Filipski) +Organization: GTX Corporation, Phoenix +Lines: 19 + +In article <46868@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: +>I find it amusing and disappointing that the new standard of skeptics proof +>is a tabloid. Wow! Sounds more like desperation than proof. Maybe it is + +Again, the two guys are *proof* of nothing, except that the circles +are easily hoaxed and that the self-appointed "experts" are fools. +This makes the hoax hypothesis much more plausible than some +unspecified bullshit about UFO's. + +If anyone said (which I doubt) that all crop circles were made by these +two, or there is *proof* that they are all hoaxes, then they spoke +incorrectly + + + + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + ( Alan Filipski, GTX Corp, 8836 N. 23rd Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona 85021, USA ) + ( {decvax,hplabs,uunet!amdahl,nsc}!sun!sunburn!gtx!al (602)870-1696 ) + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + +Article 9495 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!uunet!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!steve +From: steve@root.co.uk (Steve Ratcliffe) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <3103@root44.co.uk> +Date: 13 Sep 91 15:26:18 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.122024.27230@syma.sussex.ac.uk> <1991Sep12.182906.2086@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> +Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England +Lines: 15 + + +In <1991Sep12.182906.2086@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> bmason@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Bruce Mason) writes: + +)coincides with the postulated movements of the two hoaxers. The earliest +)published photo of an English crop circle is, I believe, in _Circular Evidence_ +)from 1976. So, we can truthfully say that the hoaxers' accounts match the + +They claimed to have started in 1978, so this point is not consistent. + +)hoax theory. There are, however, some things I would like to see. A +)photograph of the circle they made in Australia, ditto Canada and the rest + +They have not to my knowledge claimed to have constructed a circle in +Australia, only that they got the idea from there (They said that some +farmers put cicles in their fields as a joke). + + +Article 9409 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!sdd.hp.com!usc!srhqla!venus!kdq +From: kdq@3D.com (Kevin D. Quitt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.193550.5191@3D.com> +Date: 11 Sep 91 19:35:50 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.234010.16001@bilver.uucp> +Organization: 3D systems, inc. Valencia CA +Lines: 35 + +In article <1991Sep10.234010.16001@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: +>Indeed! Also, let's hear the *official* dis-information on how Bower and +>Chorley managed to create circles in the UK since *medieval times*. + + They stated they got the idea from people who had done it decades +before. Also what is the quality of the evidence from "*medieval +times*"? Photos? Exact measurements? + + +>I also have pictures of a crop ringlet that was created in Arizona..I +>guess Bower and Chorley must also be the MIB to create those as well. + + They didn't claim they'd made them all. It's obviously very simple +to duplicate. + + +>I wonder whose GOVT is repressing the VIDEO TAPE taken of objects that +>have created the circle (this was featured at a recent MUFON conference), +>in the UK. +> +>While I do not doubt that some circles have been hoaxed, it is absolute +>rubbish to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is being suggested +>here. + + What do you think the odds are that a couple of guys walking on boards +would generate *exactly* the same pattern as that made by a spaceship? + + +-- + _ +Kevin D. Quitt srhqla!venus!kdq kdq%venus@sr.com +3D systems, inc. 26081 Avenue Hall Valencia, CA 91355 +VOICE (805) 295-5600 x430 FAX (805) 257-1200 + + 96.37% of all statistics are made up. + + +Article 9530 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!uunet!mcsun!ukc!pyrltd!root44!steve +From: steve@root.co.uk (Steve Ratcliffe) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <3104@root44.co.uk> +Date: 13 Sep 91 17:56:43 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1991Sep10.234010.16001@bilver.uucp> <1991Sep11.210014.17234@anasaz> +Organization: UniSoft Ltd., London, England +Lines: 57 + +It is reasonable to believe that Bower and Chorley hoaxed some or most +of the complex 'pictogram' designs. However others in the past have +hoaxed some circles and then claimed in addition to be responsible for +starting it all off -- just continuing the hoax really. Therefore we +need to apply caution and check whether the story they give makes +sense. + +Given only the information in "Today" I am not at all convinced. Most +of the problems with the story listed below are a lack of detail which +prevent any definite conclusions from being drawn either way, but there +are several suspicious elements as well. + +-- They claim to have been the ones to have started the circles in England + in 1978. However there were reports of circles before that time in + local newspapers. In particular there were several in 1977. It is + difficult to tell whether the historical reports refer to the same + phenomenon due to the lack of the important details in the reports. + However people have been finding circles that they can't explain for + much longer than 13 years. + +-- They claim that no one noticed the circles for three years. They say + that the first mention of the circles that they saw in the local + papers was the 1981 event that Delgado first publicised. Would they + have missed the local coverage given to a circle appearing the + previous year, when they were so eagerly awaiting for someone to + discover them? + The 1980 circle appeared in the newspaper, was investigated by a local + ufo group (who said it appeared that it was caused by downward air-pressure + or similar), and had been investigated by meteorologist Terence Meaden. + So the circles were well known before the hoaxers realised that they + had been discovered. + +-- (I have not personally checked this yet) Delgado was apparently + not aware of the 1980 circle, when he wrote his best selling book, + although it appears (with photograph) in other less well known later + books. + +-- No demonstration of making circles without walking down the tramlines + was given. + +-- The reliance of "Today" on Delgado as the foremost 'expert'. I would + have thought that a proponent of the meteorological explanation + would have taken one look at the silly design and said that it was + someone taking the piss. Of course, had that happened, there + would have been no story. + +-- There were no details about whether the circles had the layering + and banding effects that are features of 'real' circles. + +-- They claim to have made ~ 200 circles since 1978. "Today" made some + comment about these including the very ones that Delgado had found to + be the most unexplicable(?). + Meaden has collected reports of about 800+ circles. + That seems like a lot of copycat hoaxing going on, especially as there + would be no reason to think that all their claimed hoaxes were discovered. + There was no indication of whether the hoaxers records included impressive + circles that had not been discovered. + + +Article 9503 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu0.cc.monash.edu.au!monu6!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!s851867 +From: s851867@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Paul Stephen Holt) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.140045.24728@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> +Date: 12 Sep 91 14:00:45 GMT +References: <27178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> +Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia. +Lines: 25 + +cook@vcsesu.enet.dec.com (Peter R. Cook) writes: +> I don't believe it. Explain the circles that have appeared +> in Asia, Canada, and America. + Perhaps those are: + 1. Only anecdotal + 2. Done by copycat circle makers (I know _I_'ve been tempted...) + 3. Real + + Of all these three explanations, two have no necessity for an + extraterrestrial or supernatural explanation, and the other reason + is highly unlikely. + + I repeat myself many times, but I'll say it one more time: + + HOW can you non-critical observers (i.e. people who declare that + UFOs ARE real, that crystals DO work, that tarot cards MUST be + valid predictors of the future) accuse the scientific community of + not having an open mind, when you yourselves refuse to believe a + set of perfectly reasonable explanations? + + + Paul Holt (student) +-- +Hydrogen (n) [Hy'.drow.jen] A colourless, odourless gas which given time + turns into people. + + +Article 9393 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ukma!rutgers!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!netnews.srv.cs.cmu.edu!gerry +From: gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 11 Sep 91 17:15:25 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> <1991Sep11.132945.2362@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU> +Reply-To: gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: onion.frc.ri.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU's message of 11 Sep 91 13:29:45 GMT + +The more posts I read by believers, the more certain I become that +they lack certain mental facilities. This crop circle thing is a good +example. Several posters have said (paraphrased) "How can two old men +make all of these circles?" + +THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE! + +The point is this, these guys showed a technique they claim to have +been using for many years to create these circles. Now, does anyone +honestly think that they are the only two people on the entire Earth +who are capable of concocting this scheme? Has noone else ever heard +of copy-cats? + +The point is that a repeatable explination for these circles has been +provided and demonstrated. This explination should be accepted as the +methodology behind the creation of all crop circles until another +repeatable, demonstratable explination is put forth. + +-- +Gerry Roston (gerry@cs.cmu.edu) | The most detestable wickedness, the most +Field Robotics Center, | horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries +Carnegie Mellon University | that have afflicted the human race have had +Pittsburgh, PA, 15213 | their origin in this thing called +(412) 268-6557 | revelation, or revealed religion. It has + | been the most dishonorable belief against + | the character of the Divinity, the most + | destructive to morality and the peace and + | happiness of man that ever was propagated + | since man began to exist. Thomas Paine + + +Article 9519 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!unidata.ucar.edu!steve +From: steve@unidata.ucar.edu (Steve Emmerson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: What we know about crop circles +Message-ID: +Date: 14 Sep 91 03:08:25 GMT +References: <1991Sep11.171106.19062@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> +Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) +Lines: 17 + +esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes: + +> It is certainly too strong a claim to say that we now KNOW that all +>crop circles are a hoax. What we do know is that (a) it is possible to +>create crop circles by normal means, and (b) at least some crop circles +>have been made by normal means. + +No, we don't know that -- not in the scientific sense. We know that +two men made something, that the "something" was said to be authentic +by Delgado, and that the men claimed to have made others. + +How authentic was the something? + +What are Delgado's credentials? +-- + +Steve Emmerson steve@unidata.ucar.edu ...!ncar!unidata!steve + + +Article 9498 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!batcomputer!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!dcl-cs!gdt!aber!aberda!aro +From: aro@cs.aber.ac.uk (Andy Ormsby) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 13 Sep 91 17:51:09 GMT +References: <1991Sep12.041631.11276@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Sender: news@aber.ac.uk (USENET news service) +Reply-To: aro@cs.aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) +Organization: Computer Science Dept. University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 46 +In-Reply-To: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 12 Sep 91 04: 16:31 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus + +In article <1991Sep12.041631.11276@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: + +> 1- Is this method fast enough to create crop circles over night? If so, how +> many people will it take to produce some of the "unhoaxed" circles? +> [Above should read- how many people will it take to produce one of these +> "unhoaxed" circles in one night?] + +The method appears to be reasonably fast. + +> 2- Has the "bending but not breaking" effect been proven to exist in crop +> circles? If so, is the method able to produce such an effect? + +Yes, they do the "bending not breaking" stuff. + +> 3- Based on the amount of people needed to produce your average size crop +> circle, how many people would it take to produce the amount of circles made +> in one month or year? + +I don't know. How many crop circles are there? What is the average +size? Why do the appear in southern England but not here in Wales? +How many aliens (or whatever) would it take to produce them? If so +many, how come we don't seem to have seen any yet? Obviously any +decent explanation must account for the number of circles that are +observed. + +> 4- Are there any other characteristics of crop circles that this method is +> unable to produce? If so, are there any other known methods which can? + +What characteristics? The method demonstrated by the British hoaxers +fooled one of the "experts". Of course, the expert may have been a +pretty poor expert. If there is some clear way of distinguishing hoax +circles from some "other" kind of circle, then that would be +interesting. Of course, it presupposes that there is an "other" kind +of circle. + +> If your simply going to reach a conclusion without putting the "solution" to +> a few tests then your no longer a skeptic... + +The evidence supporting the hypothesis (and it is only a hypothesis) +that the circles (at least the complex patterns) are produced by +hoaxers seems stronger than the evidence for any other explanation. If +you can come up with a better explanation, then I am sure we would all +like to hear it. + +Andy +aro@cs.aber.ac.uk + + +Article 9507 of sci.skeptic: +Xref: bilver alt.alien.visitors:1648 alt.paranormal:2769 sci.skeptic:9507 +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!gtephx!forda +From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford) +Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Dave and Doug's crop circle hoax +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.201717.25579@gtephx.UUCP> +Date: 11 Sep 91 20:17:17 GMT +References: <91253.195627JPST55@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> +Organization: gte +Lines: 19 + +Did ever occur to _any_ of you skeptics that D&D claimed to +have put up a hoax because they just can't accept any other +explanation? NOT that I believe, or ever did believe, that +the circles were evidence of anything. + +Its just that a lot of you have been blasting "psi believers" +because "we believe what we want to believe." +I am just wondering if any skeptics have given any thought +to the possibility that the hoax is a hoax? + +Set Sarcasm EXTREME: +Now why would anyone want to get famous as the guys who fooled +the world?!?!?!? + +-- +Without either the 1st or 2nd amendment, we would have no liberty: the 1st +allows us to find out whats happening, the 2nd allows us to do something about +it! The 2nd will be taken away first, followed by the 1st and then the rest of +our freedoms. - Andrew Ford INTERNET: gtephx!forda@asuvax.eas.asu.edu + + +Article 9547 of sci.skeptic: +Xref: bilver alt.alien.visitors:1654 alt.paranormal:2772 sci.skeptic:9547 +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!phad.hsc.usc.edu!dyett +From: dyett@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Donald Yett) +Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic +Subject: Invitation for evidence +Message-ID: <35865@usc.edu> +Date: 14 Sep 91 01:51:12 GMT +References: <91253.195627JPST55@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> <1991Sep11.201717.25579@gtephx.UUCP> +Sender: news@usc.edu +Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 62 +Nntp-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu + + +Is the media prejudiced? C'mon guys, If the money for miracles guys, the +real-estate riches guys, the government auction guys, the astrologers, and +the hot air chicks can buy air time, so can organized UFO research.. + +My wish-list : a syndicated special, pref at least 2 hours long. + +Enough SOLID evidence to make a skeptic say "UFOs are around!" + +How about that guy with all the CLEAR and (supposedly) irrefutable photo- +graphic evidence showing his stuff. + +A brief history on hoaxes. + +A history of classic incidents, Roswell, etc... WITH DOCUMENTATION, there +has been talk about government papers being de-classified. + +NO BULLSHIT, nothing like the bogus movies/shows of the past, Prove they are +here NOW, nowbody wants to hear about the Nasca lines again, how aliens built +the pyramids, etc... + +If solid evidence is presented, and you are able to prove it, then you will +have your hands full with people coming out of the closets with sightings. +If you do not describe any aliens at all within the show(s), these people +coming outta the closet will either confirm or refute the stories about +Grays, if you describe a blue, fat, tall alien, people will start seeing them. +I believe that some of the reports may be true, but most ARE crackpots and +loonies, better yet, let this work for you, describe an outlandish alien and +you can seperate the crackpots this way after the show is over and they start +crawling outta the woodwork reporting aliens. + +If the evidence cannot be presented in one show, make a mini-series out of it. + +First, will the stations run it? Yes, if they run Robert Tilton, if they +run "The Elvis Files" (a show some weeks ago that tried unsuccessfully to +prove Elvis is alive), then they will run this.. + +Second, will the advertisers pay? Have you seen the ratings of "The Elvis +Files"? + +Third, will the viewers believe? That depends on the evidence. Make it good +because the people who count will be hard to convince. + +I would like to see this from professionals in the field, not some +pseudo-scientific presentation. Sources MUST be credible. Radar traces +not FAA certified (and advertized as such) can be created by any hardware +hacker in his/her garage using industrial/government surplus sources. + +I know someone who brought this idea up one night when reading this newsgroup. +He would be willing to be an organizer for such a film, financial backing +must come from within the UFO research community. If you expect another +"Chariots of the Gods", then go elsewhere. We are interested in REAL evidence. + +Any takers? + +Please note this is cross-posted to sci.skeptic + +-- ++-------------------------+------------------------------------------------ +| dyett@phad.hsc.usc.edu | I will not be punched, stamped, filed, indexed, +| Just my opinions! | briefed, debriefed, or numbered! -The Prisoner ++-------------------------+------------------------------------------------ + + +Article 9542 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!srg!news +From: dpipes@srg.uucp (Dave Pipes) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Aliens and Ignorance +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.133127.10783@srg.uucp> +Date: 12 Sep 91 13:31:27 GMT +Sender: dpipes@srg.uucp +Followup-To: sci.skeptic +Organization: ARINC Research Corporation, Annapolis, MD +Lines: 28 + +Most of the crop circle discussions lately have devolved into +the argument that these 60 year-old gents couldn't have done +all of them, and we can't account for all of them. Ignoring the +fact that my gradnfather, when sixty, worked 14-16 hour days and +could lift a 500 lb calf to move it, examine the following line of +reasoning: + +Assertion: All rockets launched in the USA are launched by aliens. + +Response: But NASA launches rockets in the USA. + +A: Does NASA launch ALL the rockets in the USA? What about before + it existed? + +R: Gee, I don't know who launched rockets before NASA, or who else + launches them now, but I am SURE that it is just people, like NASA. + +A: But you CAN'T be sure, until YOU PERSONALLY can account for EVERY + launch that has occured OR been reported to occur. Until you can, + I will assert that some rockets launched in the US were launched by + aliens. In fact, until you can account for every report of events + which RESEMBLE rocket launches, I will assert that you are wrong. + +Does it bother anyone to see themselves arguing in this fashion? + + + David Pipes +...!uunet!srg!spica!dpipes + + +Article 9549 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!unidata.ucar.edu!steve +From: steve@unidata.ucar.edu (Steve Emmerson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: +Date: 14 Sep 91 05:09:16 GMT +References: +Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) +Lines: 14 + +gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes: + +>The point is that a repeatable explination for these circles has been +>provided and demonstrated. This explination should be accepted as the +>methodology behind the creation of all crop circles until another +>repeatable, demonstratable explination is put forth. + +Occam's razor? Least objectionable hypothesis? + +You got it right except for one thing. We don't know how good their +circle was. Put another way, what are Delgado's credentials? +-- + +Steve Emmerson steve@unidata.ucar.edu ...!ncar!unidata!steve + + +Article 9551 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpl-opus!hpcc05!hp-ptp!davew +From: davew@hp-ptp.HP.COM (Dave Waller) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Crop circles are a hoax. +Message-ID: <22080004@hp-ptp.HP.COM> +Date: 13 Sep 91 20:56:49 GMT +References: <1991Sep9.133407.6311@aber.ac.uk> +Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca. +Lines: 36 + +In sci.skeptic, bmason@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Bruce Mason) writes: + +> Where most circles researchers have problems with the hoax theory is in the +> non-obvious nature of the circles as symbols. For example most circles are +> most definitely non-circular, although often this is not obvious until you +> measure them. Also there are many internal features of circle formations +> that no one has been able to replicate. For example many circle beds have +> different layers of rotation, as if something has pushed/pulled some of the +> corn over in one direction and then gone back in the other direction to lay +> the rest down. Many of the anomalous features of circles are anomalous +> because they seem to make no sense. For example many circles have small +> tufts of untouched corn left at random, circles tend to deform where the +> edge meets tractor lines. There was a swathed circle in Shropshire (I believe) +> that looked a bit like an exploded circle. A very few circles have not been +> fully flattened but habe only been bent over at the top. These and quite a +> few other features are not only very difficult to hoax (though this is not in +> itself a compelling argument) but argue for hoaxes who were amazingly +> resistant to the temptation to provide striking symbols. It has only been +> in the last two years with the terrific media interest that easily +> recognisable symbols, (smiley faces, pop-band logos, Mandlebrot sets etc) have +> become common. (That said in 1985 the letters WEARENOTALONE appeared at a f +> famous site --- a curious thing for aliens to claim...) + +Might I point out that, with the exception of the "flattened only at the +top" anomaly, the "problems" described above are _exactly_ what one +might expect from a human created circle with a board? + +I am a bit dismayed that non-circularity, reversal of rotational layers, +untouched tufts, deformation near tractor lines are things that seem +contrary to human production of these circles. + +Quite the contrary, a perfectly circular circle, 100 yards in radius +with absolutely seamless bending in the same direction all the way +around would be something of a mystery. + +Dave Waller + + +Article 9567 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!agate!stanford.edu!eos!data.nas.nasa.gov!mustang!nntp-server.caltech.edu!sol1.gps.caltech.edu!CARL +From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: What we know about crop circles +Message-ID: <1991Sep15.035927.25796@cco.caltech.edu> +Date: 15 Sep 91 03:59:27 GMT +References: <1991Sep14.095811.14605@cco.caltech.edu>, +Sender: news@cco.caltech.edu +Reply-To: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu + +In article , steve@unidata.ucar.edu (Steve Emmerson) writes: +>carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick) writes: +> +>>Well, if you allow "some" to include "one", trhen we DO know what Eric claims +>>we know. +> +>Not quite. We don't know how good the circle was. + +Well, we know that it was good enough to fool the "expert" most often cited by +those who claim the crop circles are NOT hoaxes. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL + +Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My +understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So +unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my +organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to +hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. + + +Article 9585 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!dali.cs.montana.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!unidata.ucar.edu!steve +From: steve@unidata.ucar.edu (Steve Emmerson) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: What we know about crop circles +Message-ID: +Date: 15 Sep 91 20:30:49 GMT +References: <1991Sep15.035927.25796@cco.caltech.edu> +Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu +Distribution: na +Organization: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) +Lines: 11 + +carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick) writes: + +>Well, we know that it was good enough to fool the "expert" most often cited by +>those who claim the crop circles are NOT hoaxes. + +I'm glad to see that you put "expert" in quotes. + +Just what are Delgado's credentials? +-- + +Steve Emmerson steve@unidata.ucar.edu ...!ncar!unidata!steve + + +Article 9598 of sci.skeptic: +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Path: bilver!tarpit!fang!att!att!linac!uwm.edu!rpi!batcomputer!cornell!rochester!pt.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!netnews.srv.cs.cmu.edu!gerry +From: gerry@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +Subject: Re: Dave and Doug's crop circle hoax +Message-ID: +Date: Thu, 12 Sep 91 15:43:30 GMT +Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU +Nntp-Posting-Host: onion.frc.ri.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 11 Sep 91 23:09:37 GMT +Reply-To: gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) +References: <1991Sep11.230937.3041@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Lines: 30 + +In article <1991Sep11.230937.3041@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph) writes: + + That is about as much credibility as I give to Dave and Doug. All you + skeptics ACCEPTED their story TOO EASILY. Until I've done a circle + myself, I believe no one. Nuff said. + +This is the weirdest post I have ever read. Why you might ask? + +Well, most believers tend to be soemwhat credulous. In his statement, +Chris is insinuating that he believes that PSI, ETs, or some other +unknown explination is required to make crop circles. Why does he +believe this? I don't know; there is no reason to expect that there +is a supernatural explination for these phenomena. Yet, he offers no +proof or support to this insinuation. + +Now, two folks come along, demonstrate how this is done, and guess +what!? Chris doesn't believe it until he tries it himself! This is +in direct contradiction to his open accpetance of a supernatural +explination. + +Well, I guess we skeptics have never accused believers of being +consistent. + + +-- +Gerry Roston (gerry@cs.cmu.edu) | Some Christians pretend that Christianity +Field Robotics Center, | was not established by the sword; but of +Carnegie Mellon University | what period of time do they speak? +Pittsburgh, PA, 15213 | Thomas Paine +(412) 268-6557 | + + +Article 9444 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!al463 +From: al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Where are the "copy cats"? +Message-ID: <1991Sep11.232527.5378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Date: 11 Sep 91 23:25:27 GMT +Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA) +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu + + +I hear all these references to alleged "copy cats" associated with +the crop circle thread. Where is your proof of their alleged existance? +More circles? Not good enough. I want more substantiated confessions +before the copy-cat theory will carry any weight with me. + +Chris +-- +Christopher A. Joseph (Chris)|"You can go wrong by being too skeptical + al463@cleveland.freenet.edu |as readily as by being too trusting"L.L. +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +"!ELUR sebboH dna nivlaC" << Subliminal Message | FNORD!| Praise "Bob" + + +Article 9466 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!ge-dab!crdgw1!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!public!rah +From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde rah@btr.com) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Where are the "copy cats"? +Message-ID: <4022@public.BTR.COM> +Date: 12 Sep 91 04:06:45 GMT +References: <1991Sep11.232527.5378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM +Lines: 26 + +In article <1991Sep11.232527.5378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph) writes: +| +|I hear all these references to alleged "copy cats" associated with +|the crop circle thread. Where is your proof of their alleged existance? +|More circles? Not good enough. I want more substantiated confessions +|before the copy-cat theory will carry any weight with me. +| + +I, myself, many years ago painted a large white circle in the middle of +an intersection. I remember choosing a circle because of it's simple +geometry and the fact that it was more appealing than a triangle or a +square. The circle was inspired by a series of large footprints found +painted down several miles of nearby rural road and reported in the local +press. + +Had I been a rural rather than a suburban child, perhaps I would have +tampered with crops instead. So, to all those residents of Lacey, Washington +who have for the last 20 years worried about aliens painting arcane symbols +on public roads... rest easy. It *was* a hoax. + + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +| Richard Hyde | RaH@btr.com | This space intentionally left blank | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +Article 9436 of sci.skeptic: +Path: bilver!tarpit!peora!masscomp!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!stanford.edu!eos!data.nas.nasa.gov!mustang!nntp-server.caltech.edu!sol1.gps.caltech.edu!CARL +From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick) +Newsgroups: sci.skeptic +Subject: Re: Where are the "copy cats"? +Message-ID: <1991Sep12.174154.9714@cco.caltech.edu> +Date: 12 Sep 91 17:41:54 GMT +References: <1991Sep11.232527.5378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> +Sender: news@cco.caltech.edu +Reply-To: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu +Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu + +In article <1991Sep11.232527.5378@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph) writes: +> +>I hear all these references to alleged "copy cats" associated with +>the crop circle thread. Where is your proof of their alleged existance? +>More circles? Not good enough. I want more substantiated confessions +>before the copy-cat theory will carry any weight with me. + +Right. And when you GET more substantiated confessions, you'll then be able to +claim: "But the copycats didn't confess until the technique made world news. +They just heard about how the two Limeys did it, practiced for awhile, and then +made up their confessions." As of a week or so ago, all the PSI, UFO, etc. +advocates were saying "If it's a hoax, show us how it could have been done. +All the experts say there's no way a human being could have done it". Now that +the technique has been demonstrated, they change the standard of proof to +something that, given the publicity, is TRULY impossible. C'MON GUYS: GIVE US +A STANDARD OF PROOF THAT'S AT LEAST THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE, THEN +STICK WITH IT. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL + +Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My +understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So +unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my +organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to +hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1234.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1234.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0587e0c4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1234.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +SUBJECT: CAN ANYBODY SQUARE UP THE CIRCLES FILE: UFO1234 + + + +DAILY MAIL, London, England-July 19, 1990 +CR: N. Oliver + +CAN ANYBODY SQUARE UP THE CIRCLES? +by: SINCLAIR McKAY + +A faint, warm, night-time breeze wafts through the cornfields at Alton Barnes in Wiltshire. The atmowphere is heavy and oppressive and -sometime between dusk and dawn-the inexplicable happens. + A large circle appears in the corn. It has been happening with surprising regularity-sometimes one circle, sometimes a series of them-all over the West Country. Every summer for the past ten years the cornfields of Wiltshire have been covered with these peculiar circles. + Hundreds have already appeared this year alone and all sorts of people are now trying to explain why. So far, nobody has come up with a satisfactory answer. + + DEBATE + + The latest circle manifestation has started the most feverish debate of all. Last week nine circles, all in a row, appeared in a field owned by the Ministry of Defence in Wiltshire. And for the past few days the site has been swarming with experts from all over the world. The Americans, Canadians and Japanese are getting hugely interested-because these markings have been appearing in their countries as well. + Indeed, interest in corn circles has been so intense this year that experts from several different continents have met to discuss them. Last nomth, Dr. Terence Meaden of the Tornado and Strom Research Organisation presented his theory at a conference in Oxford attended by TV crews from all over the world. He believes that the circles are caused by localised whirlwinds charged with electrified dust. + He was joined by American meteorology experts and Japanese physicists. But the meeting ultimately clouded the issue rather than explaining it. The idea of a localised whirlwind could perhaps explain the simple circles, but the scientists admitted that they were still baffled by the more complex patterns. Meaden, however, is confident that some day his theory will explain them, too. + +------------------------------------------------------------| | +| THE THEORIES | +| | +| These are the most popular: | +| | +| 1. Wind vortex. Wind sweeping round a hill presses | +| corn down. | +| 2. Fungus. This can cause a crop to collapse in | +| circular pattern. | +------------------------------------------------------------ + + + + + + +------------------------------------------------------------ +| | +| 3. Soil disorder. Chemical weaknesses causing | +| crop to collapse. | +| 4. Badgers/Hedgehogs. Amorous animals running | +| around in the middle of the night. | +| 5. Elaborate hoaxes. Youngsters creating circles | +| using chains or a weight on the end of a rope | +| which they swing round. | +| 6. Descending flying saucers, spaceships coming | +| down in fields leaving landing marks. | +| | +------------------------------------------------------------ + + Alton Barnes, scene of the last incident, is a place which certainly lends itself to the mystical atmosphere that these circles provoke. The area is steeped in legends and folklore. Stand in the middle of a field on a hazy summer's day surrounded by gloden crops and the gently rolling hills on the horizon and it is impossible not to feel a twinge of awe. + It is really possible to explain scientifically these beautiful patterns? Dr. Meaden would rather do that then give credence to the UFO theories. But why, then, are most of the circles appearing in Wiltshire and not elsewhere? + 'Indeed, we've had 320 circles this year in Wiltshire already.' said Dr. Meaden. 'I think they're appearing here beacuse of the chalky soil. They are all near hills and the wind vortices which may create this effect only appear in fields near hills.' + 'I visited a new circle for the first time last Friday - the best circle formation I've ever seen.' + 'It's nine circles in a row - four are absolutly magnificent - and one is imperfect. It seems to show an arm coming out of the circle with three fingers. I'ts a circle that's gone wrong.' + 'It supports my theory involving spinning balls of air. 'The vortex has an internal structure which can't be seen. The internal structure of this one appears to have gone wrong.' + Adding to the fever of the debate is an ill-concealed irritation that Dr. Meaden feels for the amateur circle enthusiasts Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado who say the circles are the work of an 'intelligence'. + + BIZARRE + Colin Andrews counters: 'There is nothing in this theory of wind vortices. Only three people in the world have looked in depth at this problem: myself, Pat Degaldo and Terence Meaden. We worked together for a couple of years some time ago. It is certain that the circles are caused by something airborne but I am sure there is nothing random about them. + "The largest formation we've come across is in Wiltshire. It's 300ft across-one large circle and three concentric rings around it. We discovered a further concentric ring had appeared and 36 more had manifested across the landscape. There is something here which is acting, reacting and locating in the most bizarre way." + So there is still no theory which satisfies everybody, although UFO researcher Jenny Randles, in her book on the subject, gives an interesting explanation of why people think the circles are caused by supernatural means. She believes that they are caused by natural phenomena that we have not yet understood and which we exaggerate in our thirst for mystery. + So, as Dr. Meaden says, the wind may be the answer but it may be another 50 years before we know expactly how. Which means we probably have another 50 years of spaceship theories to look forward to. Summer just wouldn't be the same without circles in corn fields. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1235.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1235.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a3ee0efa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1235.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES MYSTERY DEEPENS FILE: UFO1235 + + +EVENING TELEGRAPH, Peterborough, England-July 26, 1990 +CR: T. Good + +CORN CIRCLES MYSTERY DEEPENS +Rings appear on dege of city +by: PAUL GREGAN + + The mystery of the corn circles deepened today after four huge rings appeared in fields on the edge of Peterborough. + The perfectly formed rings-up to 100 metres across-have baffled fliers at Sibson aerodrome who spotted them. + The fields of ripe wheat were untouched on Monday night-but the strange circular patterns materialised in the crops in just 48 hours afterwards. + The Meacock family who run the Peterborough Parachute Centre live on the airfield and heard nothing during the nights they appeared. + Alex Meacock was one of the first to examine the rings close up and does not think they are the work of hoaxers. + "We would have seen them or heard them. "These things are not small. It would have taken an army hours to make them," he said. + The smallest pattern is made of two concentric circles-but the flattened corn in the 30 metre outer circle is lying clockwise and inside the broader inner ring the stalks are anti-clockwise. + The huge rings in a nearby field are up to three times as large. One is two more concentric circles. The other is one large ring with two spiral patches inside. + One of the ring fields has a history of wind turbulence-blamed by some scientists for the rings all over the country-but the air over the other sites is usually calm. + The Meacocks have never seen rings like this before and have videoed them from the air before the combine harvesters wipe them out for ever. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1236.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1236.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c906bb65 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1236.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +SUBJECT: CIRCLES APPEAR AT LOCAL AIRFIELD FILE: UFO1236 + + +EVENING TELEGRAPH, Peterborough, England + July 26, 1990 CR: T. Good + + WHAT ON EARTH? + CIRCLES APPEAR AT LOCAL AIRFIELD + +FOUR strange rings-up to 200 feet across-appeared overnight in wheat fields on the edge of a Peterborough airfield. + Parachutists at Sibson, near Wansford, were stunned to find themselves plummeting at over 100 mph towards a cluster of mysterious crop circles. + And now the questions are being asked: Waht on earth are they? Alien IQ tests or amazing hoaxes? Or something else? + What is causing them? Freak weather conditions or pranksters running rings round us? + Pilots flying from the Peterborough Parachute Centre saw four of the mystery circles in fields a few yards from where their planes were taking off. + The patterns are similar to the phenomena that have been baffling some of the best brains in the country for weeks. + Evening Telegraph reporter Paul Gregan and chief photographer Rowland Hobson walked right into the centre rings of three of the circles. They were amazed by the size of them-up to 200 feet across-and think they were beyond anynormal hoaxer. + "We trod down wheat to get into the rings and those stalks were crushed and lying in all directions," said Paul. + "But the crops inside the circles had not been trampled at all. They looked more like they had been carefully plaited together." + Norwich Weather Centre said they were trying not get pulled into the national controversy raging round rings. But a spokesman did say some of the local whirlwinds blamed by some experts for the circles had been reported in Norfolk. + *A rainbow that appeared over parched Peterborough last night was caused by ice crystals 25,000 feet above the city, say weathermen. + The parahelis, or mack-sun, happens when the sun hits cirrus slouds at a precise angle. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1237.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1237.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..dec9faa3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1237.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: "MAGIC" CIRCLES FILE: UFO1237 + + +SUSSEX EXPRESS, Lewes, England-July 27, 1990 +CR: T. Good + + 'MAGIC' CIRCLE + +HAVE ALIENS landed at Lewes? Or are these crop circles on farmland to the west of the town an elaborate hoax? + Local photographer Tom Fenn spotted the three perfect circles on Sunday while taking aerial pictures on a business assignment. + He later visited the strange circles on the ground, saying: "They are quite beautiful and fantastic," he said. + "Strangely my brother stumbled on one at the same place last year. I'd like to think that UFOs made them but, as a sceptic, I think the wind is responsible." + The three rings are toughly the some size, about 20 feet wide. Two are liked by a path, and the third has a thin outer ring. + The wheat is firmly pressed down in a clockwise direction, but there is no obvious evidence of how it was done. + Crop circles appear nearly every year in Wiltshire but are rare in Sussex. Several years ago crop circles near Alfriston were visited by thousands of tourists. + These are thought to be the first to be spotted since then. + Farmer Martin Brickell, from Southease, was unaware of the circles when the Express contacted him. He said he was keeping an open mind on how they got there. + Mrs. Barbara Withcombe, who lives near the Lewes circles, said: 'We haven't seen any flying saucers. I think foxes or badgers did them.' + National Farmers Union technical adviser William White said the NFU had no official view about them but he was sure they were not the work of humans as they had been sighted all over the world. + "I personally think they have been made by energy fields-charges of electrical energy manifested in the ripening wheat," he ventured. + "We would all love to know the answers: then the whole issue could be allowed to settle." + East Sussex countryside management officer Paul Millmore said: "They amaze me, but I don't pretend to understand them." + However crop circle expert Pat Delgado was quite sure of his position when the Express contacted him in Wiltshire where an elaborate crop circle i gaining national publicity. + After we described the three circles he said: "Every logical possibility has been thoroughly examined and has led us nowhere. + "We are daling with things we don't understand...I believe the circles are controlled by a higher invisible intelligence." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1238.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1238.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f0891671 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1238.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +SUBJECT: THOSE CROP CIRCLES, NO CAUSE FOR ALARM FILE: UFO1238 + + +MID-DEVON ADVERTISER, England-July 13, 1990 +CR: T. Good + +THOSE CROP CIRCLES: 'NO CAUSE FOR ALARM' + +UFOLOGIST Mrs. Marilyn Preston Evans, of Saltash, said this week that she had been mistaken when passing on a message from author Mr. Pat Degado regarding crop circles. + She said in a recent article in the 'Mid-Devon Advertiser,' that Mr. Delgado, co-author with Colin Andrews of the book 'Circular Evidence,' had issued a warning on crop circles, following the discovery of circles in fields of corn at Bickington. + "He has asked me to point out that there is no cause for any alarm or worry from entering the circles," she said. + + CHECKS + + "In personally passing on his message I was apparently mistaken in implying that anything in the circles themselves caused any undue physical effects. + "Such effects, I am assured, come from 'Psychological over-reaction' causing headaches, tension and associated feelings,' said Mrs. Preston Evans. + She said that radiation checks in the circles had shown there was no difference to that registered elsewhere in the crop fields. + "I trust the statement did not cause any worry or distress, as in no way was it meant to be alarmist," she said. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1239.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1239.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1ebdeeb0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1239.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLE MAKING CONTEST FILE: UFO1239 + + + +---------- +PSI-Net by Michael Stackpole +Category 12, Topic 8 +Message 94 Thu Jul 09, 1992 +B.WILCOX5 [Brent Wilcox] at 21:20 EDT + +Well, here's what's happening this weekend in the UK... + +"The Cerealogist magazine is promoting a contest for making crop circles, to +be held the night of 11-12 July 1992. The object is to reveal the extent to +which artificial circles can replicate the details of the elaborately swirled +crop formations which for the last twelve years have been appearing in the +fields of cereals and other crops in England and elsewhere. + +"This initiative is prompted by the recent, much publicized but largely +unsubstantiated claims that hoaxers are responsible for many of the +formations. It is hoped that those who have made such claims will be prepared +to demonstrate their skills in public. + +"A first prize of $5200 and runner-up awards are offered for the artifical +crop formation, made by a registered team, which in the opinion of qualified +judges best reproduce the features observed at crop circle sites. The team +will be required to execute a design to be specified by the organizers and +will be judged the following morning by judges who will not know the identity +of the contestants. + +"A field of barley has been set aside for the purpose of the competition and +is now under cultivation at a site in southern England which will be known +only to those organizing and taking part in the competition. After the event, +the site will be disclosed and the public will be invited to view the results +of the contest. + +Teams of circle makers, with or without previous experience, are invited to +apply for entry to this contest. Conditions and other details from: THE +CEREALOGIST, The British & International Journal for Crop Circle Studies, 11 +Powis Gardens, London W11 1JG. Telephone: 071-229-3583 + +"The number of entrants will be limited to about 12, and each team to no more +than 6 members. A 50(Pound) entrance fee is required from each participating +team which will go towards compensating the farmer. There will be provision +for parking and overnight camping. + +"Sponsored by PM Magazine(Germany) and the Koestler Foundation in association +with the Environmental Guardian." + + +---------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1240.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1240.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b7aefd6d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1240.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +SUBJECT: CROP CIRCLES IN HUNGARY FILE: UFO1240 + + +=========================================================================== + BBS: Flite-Line +Date: 08-14-92 (21:06) Number: 5166 +From: JOHN HICKS Refer#: NONE + To: CHRIS RUTKOWSKI Recvd: NO +Subj: Circles in Hungary Conf: (46) UFO(Fido) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + * Forwarded from "BAMA" + * Originally by Scott Ecker + * Originally to All + * Originally dated 12 Aug 1992, 21:04 + + * Forwarded from area "Odyssey Clippings" (CLIPPINGS) + * Originally from: Scott Ecker (1:3607/20.1) + * to: All + * date: 12 Aug 92 21:03:36 + + The following text appeared on Genie's Newsgrid section, dated Aug- + ust 10th, 1992... + + ============================ + + HUNGARY IN UFO FEVER AS STRANGE CROP CIRCLES CROP UP + + BUDAPEST (AUG. 10) DPA - A young boy says he saw a yellow dome- + shaped object fringed with red light. His father claims he saw a + clearly-outlined rectangular mass of light appear over the centre of + the town of Szekesfehervar. + + The object apparently left behind a circle 38 metres in diametre + along with several triangles in a nearby cornfield. + + Hungary is currently in unidentiied flying object (UFO) fever. The + pilot of an air sea rescue helicopter first spotted the strange crop + circles at the end of June. + + Since then, Hungarian UFO fans have been flocking to see the circles + for themselves at Szekesfehervar, near Lake Balaton. + + Some parents even place their children in the middle of the circle, + in order to fill them with ''magical energy''. Others believe they + are in direct contact with the ''crew'' of the UFO and that the lat- + ter will actually appear there in the flesh. + + Laszlo Marnitz, who informed the daily newspaper Kurir about the + alleged extra-terrestrial visit, has an explanation for the strange + sightings: + + He says the extraterrestrials cannot be seen by mere mortals as + because they live in at least 16 dimensions. + + He added that the strange geometric patterns in the corn field can + only be explained away by a UFO because the corn sheaves were not + broken, just bent down. + + The sheaves had furthermore been bent in just the one direction, + because the circle was caused by a magnetic field, he adds. + + Marnitz, a self-professed UFO-logist, says he is quite sure that the + UFOs do not land when they visit Earth, they just hover above the + ground. + + Some of the corn sheaves are now being scrutinised at an agrochemi- + cal station in the nearby town of Velence and compared with ''nor- + mal'' specimens. + + The new evidence is an eight-metre circle in a cornfield near Enying + on the south bank of Lake Balaton. + + Largely unbeknown to the Hungarian public seems to be the fact that + very similar ''signs'' which appeared recently in Britain and north + Germany turned out to be a hoax. + + Meanwhile, those in charge of the agricultural concern on whose land + the first ''UFO'' left traces is very sceptical about the whole + affair. + + Small wonder, for all the commotion caused by curiosity-seekers + arriving is having an effect on the harvest. + + The concern intends to issue a summons against persons unknown to + claim compensation. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1241.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1241.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..69920957 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1241.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ + SUBJECT: UFO FOUND IN ICEBERG FILE: UFO1241 + + + The captain of a ship rammed an iceberg in the frigid waters of the + Greenland Sea - and found a perfectly preserved UFO frozen inside. + + What's more, the alien crew is missing and may still be at large! + + Scientists from all over the world have been summoned to an + undisclosed location near the seacoast town of Scoresbysund, + Greenland, to investigate the intact alien craft. The design and + technology of this space capsule is years ahead of anything yet + developed on Earth, says Dr. Gerd Stuber of Bern, Switzerland. It's + definitely from another planet. + + My staff and I have examined every inch of it and all the evidence + indicates that the craft was manned by a crew of five beings who + apparently lost control and crashed. However, we can find no trace of + them. + + The discovery occurred above the Arctic Circle between Norway and + Greenland when a seismic exploration ship struck a huge floating + iceberg at about three p.m. on August 24. Damage ot the ship was minor + but the collision knocked a large piece out of the iceberg, exposing + part of a strange metal object. + + When the crew chipped away enough ice to get a good look at it, that + metallic "something" turned out to be the hull of a UFO. + + While no one is able to pinpoint exactly when the spaceship crash + landed on earth, or how it became encased in an iceberg, experts + differ widely about the fate of the missing aliens. They're dead, says + Dr. Juan Cordoba, noted Spanish biologist and member of Dr. Stuber's + staff. Even if they survived the crash, there's no way they could stay + alive in those subzero temperatures. + + Dr. Stuber himself, however, is not so quick to declare the aliens + dead. The very fact that they piloted their spaceship to Earth + indicates that these aliens are very highly evolved, says the 56 year + old author and physicist. + + If the creatures are both males and females, there's a chance that + they've escaped across the ice to the mainland nearby, reproducing - + and raising - a whole community of beings with levels of intelligence + we can't even conceive of. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1242.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1242.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..afd9535c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1242.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ + + + SUBJECT: MEDICNE FROM OUTER SPACE! FILE: UFO1242 + + + Guadalajara, Mexico - A woman from a small village has healed + thousands of sick and suffering people by brewing herbal medicines - + using formulas given to her by space aliens! + + That's the contention of scores of Mexican doctors who say they've + used Lupe Garcia's homemade potions to cure everthing from terminal + cancer to congenital blindness. + + Mrs. Garcia's medicines are nothing short of miraculous, says Dr. + Carlos Periz. + + Every one of the hundreds of people I've given them to has improved + dramatically. Even dying patients who I'd thought were hopeless are + now symptom free. + + Mrs. Garcia, a quiet humble woman, says she deserves no credit for the + medicines because she only follows instructions given to her by the + sky people - her word for space aliens. + + The sky people have been appearing to me since I was 10, says the 38 + year old housewife from Santo del Via. The tiny village is located in + an area where hundreds of UFO sightings are reported every year. + + They tell me what herbs and how much water to put into the brews and + they tell me what sicknesses each one will cure. + + For years, only the Santo del Via villagers knew of her medicines. But + slowly the word began to spread, finally reaching Guadalajara Dr. + Perez was skeptical when he first began hearing about the mysterious + cures. + + I'd heard rumors about a Santo del Via woman who was healing people + with homegrown concoctions, he says. But I'm a trained physician. I + wasn't interested in anything so unscientific. + + However, when one of his heart patients was not responding to + conventional treatments, Dr. Perez agreed, out of desperation, to try + one of Mrs. Garcia's miracle cures. + + The patient had been too weak to get out of bed, says Dr. Perez. But + just hours after drinking the potion, he was up waling the hospital + halls, demanding to be released. + + After that, Dr. Perez began to use Mrs. Garcia's medicines regulary, + giving them to patients with goiters, arthritis, ulcers, even multiple + sclerosis. and incredible, every patient has recovered. + + Since then the doctor has been giving speeches at medical facilities + all over the country, praising Mrs. Garcia's medicines to his + colleagues. At this point, it's estimated that more than 3,000 people + have been healed thanks to the mysterious elixirs. Although some in + the medical community question her contention that the formulas come + from space aliens, most doctors believe her. + + Why would she lie? asks Dr. Luis Mendez of Mexico City. + + Here we have a simple woman with no formal education producing + medicines that the greatest laboratories in the world have been unable + to create. If you've got a better explanation, you tel it to me. Until + then, I'll take her at her word. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1243.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1243.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4102b860 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1243.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ + SUBJECT: BIBLE'S UFO CONNECTION FILE: UFO1243 + + + Many scholars and scientists claim that variety of references in the + Bible, expecially in Genesis, prove the UFOs influenced human + development and that modern man may even have descended from aliens + mating with humans. + + Fuyval Abrams, and Israeli scholar, even believes that Adam and Eve + were space travelers who crash landed on Earth, and the the Garden of + Eden was actually a space ship. + + There were others on the spaceship, but when it crashed they spread + out to other parts of the world, he says. + + These aliens mated with primitive humans who were already on earth, + Abrams adds. + + The Bible mentions the sons of God - aliens - mating with the + daughters of men - humans. Helmut Roche, a French astrophysicist and + biblical expert, claims humans did not develop on earth but came from + another planet to colonize Earth. + + References to UFOs and aliens are common in the Bible, he argues. + + These include Enoch ascending to heaven on a fiery pillar and Ezekiel + leaving earth in a blazing chariot. + + Roche says Sodom and Gomorra were destroyed by a nuclear bomb and the + cloud of fire that led the Israelites during their 40 years int + ehdesert was a UFO. + + He believes the mysterious and fearsome Ark of the Covenant which + destroyed the Israelites enemies with lightening and fire was in fact + an alien ray gun, with a mighty powerful blast. + + SUBJECT: WHAT HAPPENED TO ADAM AND EVE? + + According to the Bible, Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of + Eden for disobeying God were forced to work for their daily bread. + They also lost the gift of eternal life and were no longer allowed to + mingle with angels. + + They apparently settled on the east side of the Garden, not far from + the entrance, which was guarded by an angel with a flaming sword. + + Like Israeli scholar Fuyval Abrams, Dr. Brain Barnes, a British + expert, believes Adam and Eve were aliens and the Garden of Eden was a + spaceship. + + The craft provided Adam and Eve with food, which it produced + synthetically and protected them from the harshness of Earth's + environment, he explains. + + But after years aboard the ship waiting to be rescued, its machines + broke down and Adam and Eve were forced to leave it and live among + primitive humans in the area. + + The sons and daughters of adam and Eve eventually mated with these + primitive humans and produced children, who became our forefathers. + + Throughout their long lives, Barnes says, Adam and Eve probably never + went far from the disabled UFO in case a rescue partyh came for them. + + Others, like archeologist Neal Hogan, agree with Helmut Roche's + colomial theory and say Adam and Eve were eventually taken back + to their home planet, leaving behind their children and grandchildren. + + Adam and Eve and their children literally lived hundreds of years + because they were aliens, says Hogan. But the hybrids, off spring of + the aliens and primitive humans like Abraham, lived much shorter + lives. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1244.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1244.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ac8d6631 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1244.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ + SUBJECT: UFO KIDNAPS ENTIRE TOWN FILE: UFO1244 + + + Space alien kidnappers are believed responsible for the disappearance + of a town's entire population of 1,254 - and they even snatched + corpses from thelocal graveyard! + + A deathly silence hung over the once bustling Exkimo settlement at + remote Lake Ankikuni in norhter Canada when it was visited by + bewildered trapper. + + Half cooked meals hung in pots over dead fires...the cemetery was + violated and all the bodies removed...every dog in the settlement was + still tethered to trees, all dead of cold or exhaustion! + + The spine chilling story - one of the baffling unsolved mysteries of + all time - is retold in the book The World's Greatest UFO Mysteries by + Nigel Blundell and Roger Boar. + + First to come across the Anjikuni mystery was trapper Joseph Labelle + who arrived at the lakeside colony in the dead of winter of 1930: + + As soon as I entered the little town I was filled with dread and + Apprehension. Nothing seemed right. + + Labelle began shuddering with uncontrollable chills - and it wasn't + just because of the sub-zero temperature. I hurried from igloo to + igloo, pounding on every door, looking for one small sign of life. But + there was nothing, said Labelle, still shaken from the memory. I knew + there was something far wrong. From the half cooked meals, I knew they + had been disturbed during dinner preparation. In each cabin I found a + rifle propped beside a doorpost - and no Eskimo hunter goes anywhere + without his rifle! + + With horror Labelle went on to discover long dead dog teams, still + tethered to trees. Nearby the hard, frozen ground in the cemetery had + been turned over and bodies obviously removed. + + I knew then that something very awful had occurred, added the shocked + trapper. These people would never leave their dogs to die...or allow + anyone to desecrate the resting place of their loved ones and + ancestors. + + Royal Canadian Mounted Police investigators, telegraphed by Labelle, + descended on the settlement within hours of the trapper's chilling + discovery. They were baffled. A Canada wide search was eventually + launched. + + But, more than half a century later, the Anjikuni mystery remains + unsolved. It's as if the tribe vanished off the face of the Earth. The + only clue which bears validity is the testimony of another rapper, + Armand Laurent, who lived with his sons in an isolated lakeside cabin. + The Laurents told Mounties they saw a strange brightly lit object race + across the sky a few days before the investigation began. + + In what direction? + + Toward the Eskimo village, Laurent told police. Straight for it! + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1245.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1245.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f5a15e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1245.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ + SUBJECT: SPACE ALIENS ABDUCTING EARTH WOMEN FILE: UFO1245 + + + Space aliens are kidnapping our women and forcing them to have sex - + because they want to produce a hybrid being! + + That's the shocking contention of UFO expert Dr. Andrew Messelmann, a + noted Swiss scientist who has interviewed more than 100 UFO abductees. + + The Geneva physicist, who is the author of the book UFO Nightmare, + says that an amazing 38 out of 47 women he interviewed reported having + sex while aboard the alien spaceship that snatched them, and 42 of 63 + male abductees described similar experiences. + + It was humiliating, one abductee - Ariana Messina of Naples, Italy - + told Messelmann in a 1992 interview. + + They kept tearing at my underwear with slimy little hands. + + They had me paralyzed on a table and i could do nothing to protect + myself. I've tried to forget it, but I keep having nightmares. I was + forced into sex by space aliens, I know I was. + + The terrifying attacks have been occurring with increasing frequency, + Dr. Messelmann says, and appear to represent an attempt by the aliens + to interbreed with humans. + + There's an aggressive campaign among aliens to have sex with + earthlings, said Dr. Messelmann. And it should be a matter of grave + concern to us what the purpose of this behavior is. + + So far, none of the Earth women have become pregnant from their sexual + contacts, but we simply don't know what has happened to the males. + For all we know, right now there may be dozens of half human, half + space alien babies living on another planet that have been created by + the interspecies sex. + + Dr. Messelmann's mind boggling charges are the result of 15 years of + extensive interviews with UFO abductees from all over the world. The + scientist says he contacted people who had reported being whisked + aboard spaceships and examined by aliens, tape recording accounts of + their experiences. + + Over and over again, the abduction victims described being molested or + seduced by aliens. The sexual encounters were recalled as brief, cold + and clinical. + + The accounts surprised me because before 1977 we never heard of any + sexual encounters during abductions, Dr. Messelmann said. After that + year sex becomes the rule, not the exception. + + Several kidnapping victims engaged in conversations with the aliens in + which they were told the purpose of these rapes: The aliens want to + create a new species. They want to conduct test on half breed children + of humans and space aliens, possible to find out if they would be + useful as slaves or drones. It's a sinister plan from the human point + of view. The helpless offspring of these assaults may well be facing a + nightmare future. + + Dr. Messelmann says he is carefully interviewing recent abductees to + find out if any have spotted half human, half alien beings during + their abductions or had conversations which might shed light upon the + breeding program. + + We knew they were after mankind's secrets, Dr. messelmann said. But + now they're actually after our children. It's a terrifying thought. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1246.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1246.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..67407429 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1246.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +SUBJECT: WEST SEATTLE SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1246 + + + Mutual UFO Network Investigative Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + PRELIMINARY UFO REPORT + + DATE: March 5, 1988 + + TIME: Between 9:20 and 9:25 P.M. + + LOCATION: West Seattle, Washington + + DURATION: 1-3 minutes + + SOURCE OF SIGHTING: UFO Reporting Center 206-722-3000 + + INVESTIGATOR: Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D., MUFON + + While crossing the street on foot from a corner + convenience store a man and a woman observed a huge, metallic + spherical-shaped object surrounded by a corona of bright blue + light over the West Seattle golf course. They described the + object as "as wide as a football field is long" (300 feet). They + heard a humming sound, and estimated the altitude to be only 300 + yards above the golf course. + + They reported being nearly knocked down by a car because + they were standing there in the middle of the street "kind of + mesmerized" by the sight of such a strange object so close to the + ground in a populated area. The driver of the car who stopped + got out and also watched the object. Together they watched the + object for a period of approximately 30-40 seconds. It moved + very quickly right, then left--in a zig-zag fashion as it gained + altitude--and then departed very quickly into the upper atmosphere. + + The woman is in her thirties and works as a transit operator + for the regional transit system. The man, her boyfriend, is in + his forties. After the sighting they discussed what they had + seen with the other witness. The other witness suggested that + they not report it to anyone and drove off without giving his + name. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1247.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1247.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8aefab6b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1247.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +SUBJECT: EX-NASA EXPERT SAYS STEALTH USES UFO PARTS FILE: UFO1247 + + +063/069 10 Feb 91 10:06:00 +From: ParaNet(sm) Information Service +To: All +Subj: Stealth Uses UFO Parts +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +This file was provided by ParaNet(sm) Information Service +and its network of international affiliates. +You may freely distribute this file as long as this header +remains intact. +Contributed by: Peggy Noonan +============================================================ +For further information on ParaNet(sm), contact: +Michael Corbin +ParaNet Information Service +P.O. Box 928 +Wheatridge, CO 80034-0928 +or +Netmail 1:104/422 +============================================================ +The following newspaper article was printed in +UFO Newsclipping Service, May 1990, page 4. To contact +UFONS, write: + + Lucius Farish + + UFONS + + Route 1, Box 220 + + Plumerville, Arkansas 72127 + +Arkansas Democrat, Little Rock, AR, April 9, 1990 + +EX-NASA EXPERT SAYS STEALTH USES PARTS FROM UFO + +by Larry Rhodes +Democrat Staff Writer + + A robotics expert and former mission specialist for NASA said +Sunday the B-2 Stealth bomber is made from UFO parts. + Bob Oechsler, one of the featured speakers Sunday at the Ozark +UFO Conference in Eureka Springs, told more than 300 people the +technology behind the Stealth was borrowed from aliens. + "The Stealth bomber you see flying around actually had its +primary propulsion system removed from a recovered flying +saucer," Oechsler said. + "That's where it came from," Oechsler said. "The project +utilizes an alien power plant inside and it's disguised by the +use of four GE-F118 engines with a modification called the GE- +100." + Oechsler's topic was "Alien Technology in Use Today." + "There is new technology today that has been gleaned from +recovered craft of non-human intelligence origin," Oechsler +commented. "The government has confirmed, high intelligence +officers I should say, that these craft were recovered." + Oechsler said a government physicist who works in a secret +laboratory in Nevada has worked on the power source of these +downed craft. Oechsler said some crashed UFOs recovered by humans +have been repaired and flown. He said some of them were found +with large holes in them. + "Many of them are fully operational," Oechsler said. "The holes +would suggest that they were probably shot down. One of them that +he got to look at inside had very small chairs which was the +first full true indicator to him that these were not some type of +top secret design but were of alien origin." + Ed Mazur of Mena (Polk County) and Lucius Farish of Plumerville +(Conway County) coordinated the three-day UFO conference, which +began Friday afternoon. Farish said plans will probably be made +soon for the third annual conference. + He said attendance at this year's conference was better than +expected. + "Many of the people there were invited guests who are involved +in UFO research," Farish said. "However, there were a lot of them +there who have had a UFO experience and just wanted to learn +more. If they attended most of the lectures they went away with a +lot of new information." + +Contact Lucius Farish about next year's Ozark UFO Conference or +UFO Newsclipping Service. + +Bob Oechsler has written a book, The Chesapeake Connection, and, +according to the promo's for an interview he gave to Denver's KOA +radio talk show host Rick Barber, he also has a radio program +that airs on the American Radio Network heard on the East Coast +of the US. + +END +PARANET FILE NAME: 041990AR.UFO + +--- FD 1.99c + * Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO Research Network (1:104/4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1248.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1248.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..439d5283 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1248.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +SUBJECT: TENNESSEE SIGHTING REPORT, 7/89 FILE: UFO1248 + + + +Date of Sighting: July 18, 1989 +Location of Sighting: Memphis, Tennessee +Time of Sighting: 2100 - 2127 local. +Witnesses: John W. Komar, MUFON State Director for Tennessee. + Madeline Rauer, fiance. + + +At approximately 2100 hours, tuesday night both witnesses were returning home +from dinner out and shopping. About four miles from home in Southwest Tenn- +essee, a bright light was noticed in the night sky. + +Weather conditions were partially cloudy with patches of clouds, clear sky +otherwise, stars in clear areas easily visible. Temperature 76 degrees, +humidity 91%, dew point 73%, barometric pressure 29.87. + +Light was sighted in a westerly direction, over the state of Arkansas, across +the Mississippi River. Light was five times brighter than any stars in view. +Witnesses arrived home and continued to view object from back yard, although +trees in area partially blocked view. + +Initial sighting placed the object at 70 degrees above the horizon. At 2115 +object was about 50 degrees above the horizon, which placed it behind trees +in area. Witnesses drove two miles farther west to a earthen dike about one +mile from Mississippi River, in a clearing. Object was still visible, same +brightness, but slowly descending. At 2127 object disappeared from view in +less than one second. + +Witnesses drove 200 feet up dike, which placed them at about 60 feet +elevation, above the surrounding countryside. Object was not sighted at new +location. + +SUMMARY + +Bright object was initially sighted with eyes only. At home, binoculars were +used, Fujinon Meibo, 7 x 50. Prismatic, individual focusing, B & L type, air +tight, marine grade. Diameter of exit pupil 7.1 mm. Relative brightness +50.4. + +Witnesses tried to use telescope but could not locate in spotting scope +mounted atop telescope. + +Same binoculars were used later at second location. Witness had lowered +binoculars and looked at object with eyes only for approximately two seconds +before it disappeared. By disappearing is meant it vanished from sight, un- +able to determine whether object accelerated away very quickly, but light +disappeared in less than one second. + +Both witnesses are credible, Madeline having worked for a major airline for +ten years in various locations, John having worked for a major airline for +twenty two years in various locations. + +Witnesses home is located about twelve miles from Memphis International +Airport, away from the landing and takeoff patterns. When object was in +sight, normal aircraft were also in view, some in the landing pattern, some +having just taken off, most with their landing lights on. Because of the air +traffic, a comparison could be made with the object and it's relative +brightness and the aircraft in various attitudes and altitudes, both +approaching the witnesses and moving away from the witnesses, with landing +lights on and with the lights off. The brightness of the UFO could be +compared with an aircraft descending towards the witnesses with landing +lights on at a distance of about two miles, which would have enabled the +witnesses to discern that the object was indeed an aircraft, as strobe lights +would also have been visible. For each aircraft viewed, strobe lights were +clearly visible, although some were quite a distance away, reaching ten miles +distance from the viewers. + +The bright object witnessed slowly descended, with no rhythmic pulsation of +the intensity of the light apparent, although when viewed thru the binoculars +a red hue could be seen. + +Having viewed the object for approximately 27 minutes, it is unlikely that +the object was an aircraft in a landing pattern of the nearby airport. + +When an aircraft turns off its landing lights, there is a dimming of the +apparent light, from full brightness to off, which takes approximately four +seconds. This was not the case in this sighting. + +At 2310 hours local a call was made to the West Memphis, Arkansas Police +Department, and the officer reported that no calls were received concerning a +sighting. When asked if they had an helicopter in the air, they replied +that they do not have a helicopter. + +At 2320 the South branch of the Memphis, Tennessee Police Department were +called and asked the same questions. Although the Police Department does +have a helicopter, it was not up at any time prior to the call, as the pilots +were asked and replied in the negative. + +The airport control tower was also called, and they reported no sightings. + +An interesting side note to the incident is worth mentioning. While driving +between the home of the witnesses and the earthen dike, three cows were on +the road as they drove around a curve, swerving the car to avoid them. They +were not there 20 minutes later. Also, when the call was placed to the +Memphis, Tennessee Police, the telephone call connected with the phone call +of two other people already in progress, plus the police department officer. +Each telephone call had no bearing with the other, yet each person could hear +all participants as clear as if the call were deliberately made. + + + +SIGHTING REPORT CLASSIFICATION + + +HYNEK: DE - 1 + +BERLINER: 1 - 4 + +SPEISER: S4/P4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1249.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1249.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b416b0d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1249.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +SUBJECT: KEY LARGO ABUZZ AFTER UFO SIGHTING FILE: UFO1249 + + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 12, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: REPORTER +LOCATION: TAVERNIER, FLORIDA +BYLINE: NONE +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + KEY LARGO 'ABUZZ' AFTER UFO SIGHTING + .. + EARLY MORNING APPARITION PROMPTS QUESTIONS + + If you were out in the pre-dawn hours Monday morning, you +may have been eyewitness to an alien invasion. The Florida Keys, +long known as landing site for Haitian and Cuban refugees as well +as a favorite drop-off for drug smugglers, played host to a +mysterious early-morning light show. Some are calling it a UFO +sighting. + + The apparition started out as an ominous cloud of +luminescent smoke hovering over the ocean off Key Largo, but +witnesses said it performed a series of aerobatics that would +explain-away it being a natural phenomenon. Tavernier +photographer Bill Rigby managed to take a series of photos of the +apparition, but they don't show conclusive proof of an alien +invasion. Also early Monday morning, several Tavernier residents +contacted The Reporter with their sighting reports. + + "It's nothing of ours," said a spokesman for the U.S. Air +Force at Homestead AFB. And agents of the U.S. Customs Service, +while not revealing the exact whereabouts of their aircraft +Monday morning said it was "unlikely" that they were responsible. + + Accompanying the large cloud-like object were several moving +points of light. Witnesses said that the patterns were +uncharacteristic of any aircraft. Copies of the photographs will +be examined by Air Force officials. In the meantime, no +immediate plans are being made to start an alien welcome center +although officials of the Key Largo Chamber of Commerce said +Tuesday that the word about Key Largo has spread farther than +anyone thought. + + The Air Force later announced that a Trident missile had +been launched from Cape Canaveral moments before the Key Largo +sighting. It is unknown if the UFO was, in any way, related. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1250.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1250.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..90f8d97d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1250.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +SUBJECT: UPI, FIREBALL OVER THE U.S. FILE: UFO1250 + + + 4 01-20-89 11:42 pes + +(complete writethru _ reports of fires in arkansas) + COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (UPI) _ A streaking object, probably a +Soviet rocket body re-entering the atmosphere, left a fiery trail across +the night sky Friday, and falling debris may have caused two fires in +Arkansas, authorities said. + The object, which prompted thousands of calls in several states, +entered the atmosphere across the central United States shortly after 7 +p.m. MST, going from southwest to northeast, officials at the North +American Aerospace Defense Command said. There were reports from people +in Texas, Missouri, Tennessee and Arkansas who had seen the flaming +object. + "Our best estimation is that it was the re-entry of a Soviet +rocket body associated with a launch that took place last year," said +Commander Dugald Gillis, a NORAD spokesman. + Authorities in rural northwestern Arkansas reported two mysterious +fires possibly caused by the space debris, and some Washington County +sheriff's deputies reported the object passed over their heads. + "We didn't locate any actual debris," said Sheriff's Sgt. James +Cantrell, who did not see the object, but collected reports on it. "We +had a couple of fires mysteriously started, but it being dark, we didn't +locate anything. We'll probably go out tomorrow morning and look over +the area." + Sheriff's officers and volunteer firefighters rushed to the fires +to check out reports of a possible small plane crash in the rural area +about 4 miles southwest of the town of West Fork, Cantrell said. + "Some of the deputies reported seeing it, so did some of the +firemen and ambulance personnel. While they were standing around, this +object went over," Cantrell said. + Reports of the distance varied with some deputies and firefighters +saying the burning object came as close as 200 yards and others saying +it appeared to be a couple of miles above the ground. + "Everybody said it looked like a rocket and had a blue-green fire +from the tail of it," Cantrell said of the 10 to 15 sightings reported +to his department. "They could tell it was a rocket. They knew it +wasn't a meteor or something. It had a cone or cigar shape." + The debris apparently started two small fires in the rural area, +each about 100 square yards in size, Cantrell said. The nearest house +was about a half-mile away. + In Texas, thousands of people telephoned radio and television +stations after sighting the object flash across the northeastern sky. + A control tower operator at a Dallas airport, Love Field, said a +pilot sitting in his plane on the ground informed the tower he had seen +the object and that it resembled a meteor fireball. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1251.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1251.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ee618528 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1251.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +SUBJECT: SCIENCE AND THE UNKNOWN FILE: UFO1251 + + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 27, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: American-Statesman +LOCATION: Austin, Texas +BYLINE: NONE +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + SCIENCE AND THE UNKNOWN + + Private citizens who have reported UFO sightings to +government officials sometimes complain of secrecy, frustration +and laughter. + Floyd Petri founded the Center for Instrumented UFO Research +in Bastrop in part to circumvent such bureaucratic hassles. + "Our purpose is to confirm the existence or nonexistence of +the UFO by scientific means," said Petri, a retired police chief. + "Before organizations such as this existed, an individual +was nothing more than a UFO buff or a witness. Often, after +people made a report to the authorities, that was the last they +heard of it. Any physical evidence they offered went up in +smoke." + Petri said the 10-year-old center is accumulating equipment +and personnel to set up a monitoring station and a field unit, +probably in a van. Both will be equipped with devices such as +radar, mangetometers, cameras, video equipment, radiation and +sound detection equipment, and chart recorders. + "There are many Americans who are funding this kind of +research right out of their own pockets," he said. "Just like +there are people who spend thousands of dollars a year fishing. +This is my hobby. This is where my money goes. There also have +been donations and benefactors interested in our research." + The scientific instrumentation -- much of which the center +owns -- sounds impressive. But some of the most fruitful +research -- retrieving government documents pertaining to UFOs -- +forces the private UFO investigator to use simpler but equally +powerful tools such as typewriters and the mail. + "The Freedom of Information Act is one of the nicest things +that ever happened to us," Petri said. "There is a world of +information in the hands of the government and individuals. If +it was gathered, studied and disseminated properly, the +information would shed some light on the UFO enigma. Many groups +are trying to do that now." + Petri's organization is interested in investigating +suspected landing sites and trace materials from all kinds of +encounters -- from cattle mutilations to indentations thought to +be made by saucer landing pods. And the center is involved in +the computer enhancement of photos showing UFOs to determine +their validity. + UFO abduction cases also draw the center's attention if +there's evidence in addition to an abductee's account. + Petri also serves as state section director of Bastrop and +Travis Counties for the Mutual UFO Network. + The center and MUFON work together to train UFO +investigators, discuss cases and plan field trips for +investigations. Joint meetings are under the acronym PULSE -- +Project UFO Landings, Sightings and Encounters -- so the two +organizations can maintain separate identities. + "The goals are to share information and ferret out bad, +distorted information," Petri said. "So the organizations don't +mind communicating." + Ten members are training to be field investigators. Three +have been trained. Most are professional people with skills +such as photography, computers, legal investigation and medicine. + Membership is by invitation. The center seeks people with +professional expertise that could be of use in UFO +investigations. Though it costs nothing to join, members must +subscribe to the MUFON UFO Journal. + "We're not here to make converts but to collect evidence," +Petri said. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1252.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1252.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..03e10b1d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1252.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +SUBJECT: RESEARCHERS SAY PHOTOS SHOW UFO FILE: UFO1252 + + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 30, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: NEWS +LOCATION: PARKERSBURG, WV +BYLINE: NONE (UPI) +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + LOOK, UP IN THE SKY + ... + FLORIDANS SURE PHOTOS PROVE + ... + UFOS VISITING PANHANDLE AREA + + Gulf Breeze, FLA. (UPI) -- Photographs of an eerily lit +cylindrical object drifting through the night sky have scientists +debating whether unidentified flying objects are visiting the +Florida Panhandle. + + More than 135 Gulf Breeze's 6,000 residents have reported +seeing a strange craft hovering in the skies over the past one +and a half years, the Tampa Tribune reported Sunday. + + One resident, asked to be identified only as "Ed" to protect +his anonymity, has produced startling photographs of the alleged +UFO. Those pictures, showing a cylindrical craft ringed with +lights and what may be windows, lie at the heart of a simmering +battle between two UFO investigating groups. + + The Mutual UFO Network, a 20-year-old group of scientists +and layman researchers, believes Ed's pictures are real. But the +Center for UFO Studies, a non-profit group found by the late +astronomer, J. Allen Hynek, does not. + + The network cites a 90-page study done by Navy physicist +Bruce Maccabee. Maccabee said Ed could not have made such +perfect fakes, and that the pictures are real. + + "A professional magician would have a difficult time doing +this," he said. + + Maccabee also cites circumstantial evidence in Ed's favor, +including sightings by others who described UFOs identical to +those in Ed's photos. + + The center relies on its own researchers and on Robert +Nathan of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Nathan, who conceded +he had not studied the pictures as completely as did Maccabee, +said the photos show glaring inconsistencies typical of double +exposures. + + Mark Rodeghier of the Center for UFO Studies said the Gulf +Breeze case had "deteriorated into a shouting match" because his +group was forced to play devil's advocate when the network +endorsed the pictures. That endorsement biased Maccabee's study, +he said. + + "Except those intimately connected with the network, 90 +percent of serious UFO researchers think Gulf Breeze is a hoax," +Rodeghier said. + + For many Gulf Breeze residents, what the experts think is +beside the point -- they know what they saw. + + "I was exhilarated," said Brenda Pollak, a City Council +member who said she saw a large, lighted craft twice in one night +in spring of 1988. Ms. Pollak said she watched the craft hover +over Pensacola Bay while, unknown to her, Ed shot pictures of the +UFO from only a few blocks away. + + "I can tell you now -- for every one person who has reported +seeing the craft, there are 10 who talk about it but don't want +anyone to know," Ms. Pollack said. + + "I'm not saying that I believe it's from another planet, but +it's something I had never laid eyes on in my life," added +Shirley McConnell. Mrs. McConnell and her husband, who is the +medical examiner for Florida's District 1, say that last June the +craft hovered within 75 yards of their house for nearly four +minutes before drifting off. + + "People can say whatever they want about me, but I know what +I saw. Ed didn't make this up," Mrs. McConnell said. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1253.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1253.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..aa92a1a7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1253.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +SUBJECT: MEMPHIS TENNESSEE SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1253 + + +CASE # 10-?67TN - Location: Memphis. Lead Investigator: John Komar, SD. + This is a additional report from a case mentioned in a previous issue +of this newsletter. Four friends, while playing golf in Douglas Park, +noticed an object in the sky just east of their position on the golf course. +Since the object was unknown to them, the four witnesses sat atop a small +hill and watched the object for approximately 15 minutes. Following is a +statement from the witness; + + "It seemed to be aware that we were watching it, and moved off to the + northeast at a high rate of speed, until it was + barely visible." "Then it returned to the same position [in the sky] + over a chemical plant just to the east of + Douglas Park, at an even higher rate of speed!" + + "It's flight pattern was erratic climbs, dips, and hesitations. All + movements were abrupt and extremely tight, kind of + like square turns, climbs and dips." "It hovered over the chemical + plant for a few more seconds. then it left at + such a high rate of speed that it was impossible to track." + + The object was reported to be round, about 30 feet in diameter, silvery +colored and opaque. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1254.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1254.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..af2634e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1254.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +SUBJECT: VALENTICH UPDATE: ABDUCTION FILE: UFO1254 + + +065/069 10 Feb 91 19:34:00 +From: ParaNet(sm) Information Service +To: All +Subj: Valentich Update +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +This file was provided by ParaNet(sm) Information Service +and its network of international affiliates. +You may freely distribute this file as long as this header +remains intact. +Contributed by: +============================================================ +For further information on ParaNet(sm), contact: +Michael Corbin +ParaNet Information Service +P.O. Box 928 +Wheatridge, CO 80034-0928 +or +Netmail 1:104/422 +============================================================ + +RHONDA Rushton firmly believes her fiance was abducted by a UFO +and she claims photographic evidence supports her story. + Breaking her silence for the first time in 11 years, Rhonda +explained exclusively to POST why she remains convinced her +fiance was taken by aliens. + Rhonda was planning to wed the man of her dreams, 20-year-old +pilot Frederick Valentich, when he disappeared 11 years ago on +the night of October 21, 1978. + Valentich and the single-engined Cessna he was flying vanished +without trace over Bass Strait. + In his last radio transmission to Melbourne Flight Service he +described the UFO which was persistently shadowing his plane. +Valentich's final words were: "That strange aircraft is hovering +on top of me again... it is hovering and it's not an aircraft..." + A metallic clicking noise was then heard over the radio for 17 +seconds before communication was lost. No wreckage was ever +found. + The Bureau of Air Safety Investigation launched a full inquiry. +Their confidential report, completed in 1982, concluded: "The +reason for the disappearance of the aircraft has not been +determined. " + But Rhonda, a level-headed and intelligent young woman, +believes she has the answer. She believes she has seen the proof. + Twenty-one minutes before Valentich was buzzed by the UFO, +Melbourne man Roy Manifold was taking photos of the sunset at +Cape Otway, the last land mass Valentich flew over. When his film +was developed it showed an unidentified object shooting out of +the water and flying off over Bass Strait. + Manifold's negatives were sent to the Civilian Aerial Phenomena +Research Organization in Arizona (USA) for computer analysis. +Extensive tests found no evidence of a hoax, and revealed the +image captured on film was not the result of a developing error. + The unidentified object was neither a cloud nor a weather +phenomenon, but a solid metallic structure capped by a bright +disc. + In his last transmission Valentich said: "It seems like it's +stationary and the thing is just orbiting on top of me, also it's +got a green light and sort of metallic -- it's all shiny (on ) +the outside. " + "When I saw the Manifold photos I knew that this was the proof +that supported Fred's last words, " Rhonda, 28, told POST in an +exclusive interview. "The object in the picture is what he saw, +what he was trying to describe. I believe that the UFO took the +whole plane, that was why no trace of it, not even an oil slick, +was ever found. + "I think the clicking noise that came over the radio had +something to do with the UFO - Fred left the radio on so we would +hear that. He was a very calm sort of person and that was the +sort of thing he would have done. + "Fred was such a truthful, honest person - if that's what he +said he saw, that's what he saw, " Rhonda said. "I'd flown with +him many times and he was an experienced, competent pilot who +could handle panic situations. + "People said he was flying upside down but the plane used a +gravity-fed fuel system. If it was upside down it would have just +conked out. + "Fred and I had discussed UFOs, he believed in them strongly. +He thought it was arrogant of people to think we were the only +life-form in the galaxy. + "He said once that if one did show itself to him he would want +to go with it. That helped me a lot when he went missing. He +wouldn't have been frightened, maybe he even looked on it as an +adventure. " + Paul Norman, from the Victorian UFO Research Society, told POST: +"The Valentich case is the 20th such UFO encounter in the past 30 +years. Some people live to tell the tale, others vanish without +trace. + " We don't know if the Valentich case was an abduction. We +don't know if he went up, down or disintegrated, but there is no +doubt that the UFO caused his disappearance in some way. " + +END +PARANET FILE NAME: 102189OZ.UFO + +--- FD 1.99c + * Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO Research Network (1:104/4 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1255.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1255.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5c931d83 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1255.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +SUBJECT: NASHVILLE TENNESSEE SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1255 + + +CASE # 102689TN - Location: 60 miles west of Nashville on Interstate 40. Lead +Investigator: John Komar, SD. While driving from Nashville to Memphis on a +clear, sunny day, three occupants in a car noticed two very bright sun-lit +objects in the sky southwesterly from their location, at approximately 5:00 +p.m. The witnesses stated the objects "were very bright as if they were +reflecting the sun." The objects, each believed to be at least 1 1/2 times +the size of the "Goodyear blimp", were stated to be approximately 1500 feet +above the ground, with one being higher than the other. The seemed to not be +moving. + + Actual duration of the sighting was about five minutes. The witnesses +stopped watching the object for a moment, and when they looked again the two +objects had disappeared. + + The primary witness has training as an aircraft pilot, and has been +employed by an airline company for a number of years in different locations +throughout the country. This witness firmly states that the objects he had +seen were not aircraft, helicopter, nor dirigible. No sounds were reported to +have been heard. Distance to the objects was about 3-5 miles. + + There might be another witness to this sighting, or a similar craft on +around the same date. Below is a message I received from Jerry Woody, MUFON +member in Alabama. (Jerry also runs a ParaNet BBS): + + +Message number 2057 in "MUFONET" +Date: 03-07-90 19:57 +From: Jerry Woody +To: John Komar +Subj: Re: Tennessee Sighting Report + +Hi John; + +This sounds very similar to a sighting I had in Hartselle a few months ago. I +'ran it up the pole' by writing to some Hartselle Users here on the Frontier +but nothing came of it and I dismissed it as an aircraft. Now I'm not too +sure. +The date, unfortunately, is unknown since I had dropped reporting the object +but probably occurred 2-3 months ago. Kathy was driving South on Hwy 31 +through the town of Hartselle in North central Alabama. I was reading a +magazine in the passenger side when a metallic reflection directly in front of +and up caught my eye. I glanced up at it and saw a fairly small object +vigorously reflecting sunlight and shaped somewhat like a 'crooked, bent +finger'. I went back to reading when it dawned on me that something wasn't +right. It had no tail section and wasn't going quite right for a normal plane. +Too much reflection like it was rotating, spinning, etc. I looked back up just +to see the object apparently turn. The metallic reflection was replaced by a +small dark circle which in a space of 2 seconds closed in on itself and the +entire object disappeared. This occurred approximately. 3pm. Sky was sunny +with some high Cirrostratus in the Western Sky. I estimate the object height +at 2500 to 3000 feet. Jet aircraft contrails was observed at app. 10000 ft. + +where the condensation level was. This object created no contrail and was +certainly no small light plane. The object was observed for a total of perhaps +10 seconds. The sky was clear and blue in the background and when it +disappeared it left without a trace. + +Jerry. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1256.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1256.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..338256dd --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1256.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,248 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE CONTRAVERSY HANGS OVER TOWN FILE: UFO1256 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 29, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Tribune +LOCATION: Tampa, Florida +BYLINE: Jennifer Tucker +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +GULF BREEZE UFOS CONTROVERSY HANGS OVER PANHANDLE TOWN + +By Jennifer Tucker +Tribune Staff Writer + + GULF BREEZE--Ringed by two story pines and six figure real +estate, Gulf Breeze is a mostly unremarkable town severed by U.S. +98 in the Florida Panhandle. + To visitors, its most memorable feature is a flashing neon +fish pointing the way to Pensacola Beach. + To 6,000 residents, its most pressing problem is a 70 mile +detour around the Pensacola Bay Bridge, hit and crippled by a +barge two weeks ago. + In 16 years, only two murders have torn this town. In 12 +years, only 10 bank robberies have occured. + But in the last year and a half, more than 135 local +witnesses have reported seeing something they can't identify. + One prominent Gulf Breeze resident has taken more than 30 +photographs of a UFO. This man, who protects his anonymity +behind the name "Ed," has photographed a craft so fantastic and +unfamiliar that many people believe the pictures are first rate +fakes. + Skeptics merely point to the east where Eglin Air Force +Base, one of the country's largest military installations, lies +like a wall to wall flying carpet. + The Gulf Breeze stories--told to the nation by NBC's +"Unsolved Mysteries" and CNN, among others--have inspired UFO +researchers to undertake a dramatic debate of possibility vs. +probability. + Researchers agree on only one thing: Either the Gulf Breeze +UFO sightings are some of the most phenomenal ever recorded, or +the Gulf Breeze UFO sightings are some of the most exaggerated +ever reported. + Among the eyewitnesses are a federal judge, a politician and +a prominent physician. + +THE NEIGHBORS + Art and Mary Hufford don't even live in town. Their homey, +ranch style house is on a sycamore lined street in Pensacola, a +bridge's drive away from Gulf Breeze. + But the Huffords remember, in perfect detail, an evening in +early November 1987. The couple was in their car, just two miles +from home, when they saw something gray, oval and silent fly over +the treetops, Art says. + The craft remained in view for several minutes, yet when +they got home and talked about it, Art says they couldn't come up +with a rational explanation. + "It just didn't make any sense," says Art, a soft spoken +chemical engineer with a master's degree and 25 years' experience +at Monsanto Chemical Co. + Both Huffords are elders in the Presbyterian church, and +Mary is a sustaining member of the Junior League of Pensacola. + "We thought UFOs were something that happened to Billy Bob +out on a boat after too many beers," Art says, wryly. + But then, several weeks after their sighting, the couple saw +Ed's photographs in the Pensacola edition of the Gulf Breeze +newspaper. "It was like someone had taken a picture out of our +brains," Art says. "That was it." + Through 1988, the couple shared their experience with others +similarly affected. At social gatherings, when Art mentioned the +sighting, he says people would pull him aside with whispered +confessions of their own experiences. + And Art is convinced that what he saw was not a product of +modern technology or man made trickery. + "Frankly," Art says, "the debunkers make me mad. I saw what +I saw." + +PARTY INVITATIONS + Fenner and Shirley McConnell of Gulf Breeze had sent out +invitations to their annual June get together with tongue planted +firmly in cheek. + The front of the invitation featured a cartoon of alien +creatures rollicking through city streets, and inside they told +revelers it would be a "UFO watching party." + Two days before the 1988 party, the couple says, their +invitation sprang to life outside their bedroom window. They saw +a cylindrical craft, ringed in windows and lights, hovering over +Pensacola Bay. + Fenner McConnell, a physician and medical examiner for +Florida's District 1, says the craft came within 75 yards of the +house, and at one point "I thought it was going to land on it." + Shirley McConnell, a caterer, says she was overcome by "an +eerie feeling," but she immediately recognized the craft from +Ed`s photographs. + The couple went outside to get a better look. It hovered +for nearly four minutes and then "kind of drifted away," Fenner +McConnell says. + "I'm not saying that I believe it's from another planet," +Shirley McConnell says, "but it's something I had never laid eyes +on in my life. People can say whatever they want about me, but I +know what I saw. Ed didn't make this up." + Likewise, Brenda Pollak says the large, lighted craft she +saw twice in one night during the spring of 1988 was not a +figment of her imagination. + She was driving east across the Pensacola Bay Bridge when +she saw it the first time, looking "too big and too bright...and +very different from anything I had ever seen before." + Nearing her home on Shoreline Drive in Gulf Breeze, Pollak +pulled into the parking lot of the city's recreation center and +parked. + She says she watched the craft hover over the bay--unaware +that a few blocks away, Ed was taking a photograph of the very +same craft. + "I was exhilarated," says Pollak, a two term City Council +member who works with Ed on community projects. + "I can tell you now--for every one person who has reported +seeing the craft, there are 10 who talk about it but don't want +anyone to know," Pollak adds. + "And I can also tell you if this is a hoax, it can't be Ed +because it would make him look like an idiot and the community +look crazy." + +THE RESEARCHERS + Scientists can't help making comparisons. + In the 1970's, a Swiss laborer named Edward Meier took +hundreds of photographs of a 'spaceship' near Zurich. + Although some people consider his photographs authentic, +others believe they are fakes, basing their conclusions on +damning photographic analyses. + Nevertheless, scientists acknowledge that Meier`s pictures +are remarkably clever. + So it is with Ed, whose photographs have been analyzed and +scrutinized by two of the country's foremost photographic +experts. + Moreover, the photographs--and Ed's cooperation with some +UFO investigators--have caused a political rift so powerful that +participants think the case could damage the future of UFO +research in America. + At odds are investigators with the Mutual UFO Network, a 20 +year old group of scientists and 'grass roots' researchers, and +the Center for UFO Studies, a non profit conclave founded by J. +Allen Hynek, a leading American astronomer who died in 1986. + Network directors support Ed's story; the center does not. + The network bases its opinion primarily on the findings of +Bruce Maccabee, a Naval physicist studying optics and underwater +sound in addition to working with the FBI. + The center bases its opinion on its own researchers as well +as on Robert Nathan, a member of the technical staff of NASA's +Jet Propulsion Laboratory. + +INTRICATE REPORT + Maccabee, who published an intricate 90 page report +examining the evidence, concludes that the photographs are real. + He applied the properties of physics and various +mathematical theories to determine things such as the size of the +ship, the distance of the craft from the camera lens and odd +angles of the photographs. + More important, Maccabee says, he wasn't "biased by the idea +that it's too impossible, therefore it can't be real." Critics +would "rather take the approach that if the pictures could have +been hoaxed then they must have been," he says. + Maccabee reasons that Ed could not have performed the +photographic feats necessary to pull off such an elaborate hoax. +"A professional magician would have a difficult time doing this," +he says. + Last year, staffers at a Pensacola television station tried +to reproduce Ed's photographs using a model. They gave up after +their attempts failed miserably, Maccabee says. + He further admonishes skeptics for questioning the look of +the craft--"Nobody knows what UFOs look like," Maccabee says. + And he points out what he considers to be the weighty +circumstantial evidence in Ed's favor--including testimony from +friends and witnesses, one of them Ed's wife. + Skeptics, however, side with NASA's Nathan. Although he +acknowledges that he "hasn't given the pictures the kind of care +Bruce has," Nathan says a visual examination reveals glaring +inconsistencies--typical of double exposures. + +IRREGULARITIES IN PHOTOS + The spaceship is brighter and more in focus than the +background, he says, and these irregularities are repeated in +picture after picture. + Nathan concludes that the object looks like "a gas burner +turned upside down" and that its apparent lack of symmetry is +simply "inconsistent with what you would expect from a highly +developed society." + Mark Rodeghier, scientific director of the Center for UFO +Studies, says the Gulf Breeze case has "deteriorated into a +shouting match" because his organization was forced to play +devil's advocate. + Investigators with the Mutual UFO Network were too quick to +judge the photographs favorably, he says, and those comments +biased Maccabee's analysis. + "Except those intimately connected with the network, 90 +percent of serious UFO researchers think Gulf Breeze is a hoax," +Rodeghier concludes. + Among those who agree with that assessment is Philip Klass, +considered the country's premier debunker of UFOs. Although he +has not seen the Gulf Breeze photographs, Klass says he has +scanned Maccabee's report and finds it improbable. + "Any UFO case, whether it involves pictures or not, is sort +of like that old adage that a woman cannot be 10 percent +pregnant. If one photo is a hoax, then they all must be thrown +out," says Klass, who surmises that the photographs are too +"suspect" to be real. + Klass reiterates his claim by stating, "In 22 years of +investigating, I have never investigated or heard of a UFO case +that cannot be explained in prosaic terms." + +JUST THE FACTS + "I deal in facts," says Jerry Brown, Gulf Breeze's 42 year +old chief of police, whose carpeted office smells faintly of +cinnamon and coffee. + "Granted--anyplace, any time, anything can happen to you. +But why would people call about a prowler and not call about a +UFO that's landed in their yard?" + The police chief knows Ed and likes him. Yet Brown says +he's concerned about the possibility "that one person, as a +practical joke...could destroy what it's taken so many years to +build." + Ed`s supporters, meanwhile, believe Gulf Breeze attracted +the unknown visitors because of the reputation the city already +had built--as a well off, well educated, open minded community. + "There is a direct correlation between education and the +acceptance of the UFO phenomenon," says Donald Ware, Florida +director of the Mutual UFO Network. + "I am convinced the reason one man was given so many +photographic opportunities is because the aliens wanted us to see +those pictures," Ware says. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1257.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1257.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..eac0dcfa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1257.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +SUBJECT: THOSE STRANGE LIGHTS WERE...... FILE: UFO1257 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: November 4, 1988 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Daily Quill +LOCATION: West Plains, Missouri +BYLINE: Julie Warner +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +THOSE STRANGE LIGHTS WERE... + +By Julie Warner +Quill Staff Writer + + If you were one of the several area residents who spied +unidentified bright yellow lights hovering in the sky at night in +the past couple of weeks, the Missouri Air National Guard has the +answer to what you saw. + Last Tuesday evening about a dozen West Plains, Mtn. View +and Peace Valley residents reported sightings of bright yellow +lights in the night sky. Some witnesses said the lights were in +a straight line and others saw them in formations. The number of +lights varied from two to as many as eight. The witnesses all +said the lights didn't seem connected to any objects and that +they would flash on and off, sometimes all at once or a few at a +time, and then would just disappear. + Howell County Sheriff Hubert Holman told the Quill today a +report came into his office Tuesday evening that bright orange +lights were spotted above Fair View Elementary School on K +Highway. A deputy was dispatched to the area, but the lights had +disappeared, Holman said. + Among some of the witnesses who spotted these lights Tuesday +were a West Plains Policeman and Mtn. View Policemen Ron Pruett. + According to Capt. Ken MacNevin, a public affairs officer +for the Missouri Air National Guard in Jefferson City, the lights +were probably not UFOs but glows from maneuvers being undertaken +by members of the 131st tactical flight wing flying out of St. +Louis and practicing weapon-deceiving techniques. + MacNevin explained that one of the standard defense +techniques used by the military in avoiding or deceiving +missiles, some of which are heat-seeking, is to spit out hot +flares. He said that if a heat-seeking missile was to be shot at +one of the U.S. fighter jets, the pilot would shoot off one of +these flares and the missile should be deceived and veer towards +the flare instead of the jet. + In recent weeks this unit acquired some of these flares and +has been practicing some of these flight maneuvers with Phantom +F-4 fighter jets in what is called the Meramec Military +Operations Region, which covers a large portion of south central +Missouri. + MacNevin said the practice maneuvers have been taking place +on Tuesdays and some Wednesday evenings from 5:30 to 8, and they +will continue for the next several weeks. + He said that sightings outside of this time frame can +probably also be attributed to military operations. MacNevin +said that this air space is dedicated to all and any military +units in the United States, and units from Missouri and +surrounding states have probably all used this area for practice +maneuvers at some point in time. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1258.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1258.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e5d02b58 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1258.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,671 @@ +SUBJECT: CHUCK HARDER INTERVIEW FILE: UFO1258 + + +041/046 23 Dec 89 22:08:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: Knapp Interview #1 +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +DATE OF UPLOAD: December 23, 1989 +ORIGIN OF UPLOAD: ParaNet Information Service +CONTRIBUTED BY: Chuck Harder/Special Correspondent to ParaNet +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved unless copyrighted by Author. +======================================================== + +INTERVIEW WITH GEORGE KNAPP OF KLAS-TV (LAS VEGAS, NEVADA) ON +NOVEMBER 17, 1989. INTERVIEWED BY CHUCK HARDER, HOST AND +MODERATOR OF 'FOR THE PEOPLE' OF THE SUN RADIO NETWORK. + + CHUCK HARDER +My guest has (now) called in and I'm going to run down who he is +and where he's from for a number of reasons, some of them for his +own protection. George, are you there... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Hello Chuck. + + CHUCK HARDER +Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right... + + GEORGE KNAPP +That's right. + + CHUCK HARDER +George, what do you do for a living? + + GEORGE KNAPP +I'm a journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the CBS affiliate +here. + + CHUCK HARDER +So you are a TV newsman... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Right. + + CHUCK HARDER +And you work for Channel 8, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Right. + + CHUCK HARDER +I understand that you have come upon some very interesting +information and you've done some special reports, could you tell +us about it...? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well we just finished a nine-part series -- what may be the +longest series that's ever been done on this subject dealing with +UFOs. + +Our research actually started about two and a half years ago, a +fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented the Lear +Jet brought some of this information to our attention. In May of +this year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who claims to have +worked at a secret base designated S-4...on a top-secret Nevada +test site...the fellow said that he worked on flying saucers, +that the technology was not from Earth, and we interviewed him +live in silhouette in May, the response was incredible...we got +response from Japan, parts of that interview aired on radio in +Europe, and six different European countries...so we decided with +this much interest we might want to take a look at the subject in +more depth. + +We started doing that and the first thing we found out is that +really UFOs have not been given a fair shake by science, by +government, by religion and especially by journalism. Millions +of people have seen UFOs, millions more believe...I think the +latest Gallup poll shows about 70 percent of college-educated +Americans believe that there's something to it, but because of +the tabloid aspects...'The Girl Who Gives Birth to 52 UFO Babies' +-- kind of things in the National Enquirer, people have shied +away from it...Serious people have shied away. Scientists, +although they might be interested in searching the universe for +radio signals really don't want to look in their own back yard -- +they can't get grants...people would laugh at them. Journalism - +- the coverage is generally condescending and quirky, especially +by the networks, as in the coverage of this UFO that supposedly +landed in the USSR, people making fun of it...so, we figured out +that millions of people want to know as Roy Neary, the guy in the +'Close Encounters' movie said, 'What's going on?' So we started +investigating it. The focal point of the story being this fellow +who said he worked at S-4. We broke his identity last Friday. +His name is Bob Lazar, he is a former scientist who worked at Los +Alamos National Labs, he is a physicist...we did a lot of +checking on him and found interestingly enough that his life was +disappearing around him. In other words we called Los Alamos +Labs and they said they never heard of him. We called MIT where +he says he went to school and they had never heard of him. We +called for his Birth records and they had disappeared...as if +someone was trying to make him a non-person. We did however +confirm some of the information that he had given us...we found +newspaper articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had indeed +worked there...we found an old telephone book from the lab with +his name in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in +our eyes. The story he tells is an incredible one. He was hired +to work at this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up +to a place called Groom Lake -- taken by bus with no windows to +S-4...the base is built almost to look like its part of the +desert with sand covered hanger doors, he goes inside and he +starts reading these briefing papers dealing with UFOs! Pictures +of UFOs on the walls, pictures of aliens, autopsy reports on +alien bodies...things of this nature -- he's pretty amazed. Then +he sees the discs. He says there are nine of the discs up there, +they are powered by an anti-matter reactor which produces its own +gravitational field...technology that does not exist on this +planet, and the interesting thing...he thought for a while that +perhaps it was just an advanced secret scientific project that +our government is pursuing until he looked inside one of the +discs and noticed the small furniture...all the chairs were built +like for children...and then things started coming together for +him. Are you with me Chuck? + + + + + + +042/046 23 Dec 89 22:10:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: Georg Knapp Interview #2 /Lazar +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +<...Continued from previous message> + + + CHUCK HARDER +I'm listening. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Er, I'm not sure how much detail you want me to go in on... + + CHUCK HARDER +Oh I think you ought to keep going. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well, this fellow was up there for only a few months. And it was +a rough place for him to work...the security was so hard and he +was being harassed at home, his phones being tapped...plus he's +on to what he thinks are the secrets of the universe...he starts +to tell other people about it, confide with close friends. + + CHUCK HARDER +Ummmmmm..... + + GEORGE KNAPP +He had the date of a couple of tests and on two consecutive +weekends he took people up into the desert outside of the +boundaries of area S-4, and they video taped the saucers...what +looks like a saucer coming over the mountains! + + CHUCK HARDER +Wow... + + GEORGE KNAPP +We showed that video as well... + + CHUCK HARDER +Uh-huh.... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Five different people that we interviewed that had gone up there +confirmed the same story...we also had confirmation of other bits +of his story from other people, a former security guard who +worked up there...who said he had seen the saucers, a former +technician... + + CHUCK HARDER +By the way, excuse me, I have some letters from some people +postmarked from that area, one inside of a base, who tells me +what you're saying is true. Keep going. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Ah, we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar duty at +Nellis airbase which is here just south of the area that this +fellow is talking about...he reported numerous times seeing... + + CHUCK HARDER +George, excuse me...let me do the half hour news break, I want +you to tell your story, I want America to hear it...please stand +by. + +>>>>At this point the SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour news +headlines and sports audio package from UPI<<<< + +(After news the guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have +just tuned in...) + + CHUCK HARDER +How many reports did you do, George? + + GEORGE KNAPP +We did nine total in this series. + + CHUCK HARDER +Ok, now at the time we went to news on the half hour you told me +that a scientist named Bob Lazar... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Right... + + CHUCK HARDER +Ok, came to you and came to the public and apparently was +concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell America or get +news out that - yes, the Federal Government has nine saucers, and +yes they are near...it's near Nellis, is it not? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yes. + + CHUCK HARDER +Cause I have letters from people who are at Nellis. Some of +which don't want to give their name, some of which gave their +name, I have the postmarks. Tell us now if you would, start the +story from the fact that the gentleman has revealed that there +are nine of these things. We're listening and so is America. + + + + + + +043/046 23 Dec 89 22:12:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: George Knapp Interview #3/Lazar +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +<...Continued from previous message> + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well, we wanted to try to confirm as much of his story as +possible from other sources of course, so we started looking for +other people who might have knowledge of what's going on up +there...as I mentioned, I found a former security guard who said +that he had seen the saucers up there, I found a former +technician who said that he had walked into a room inadvertently +and saw one under a tarp, we found a Nellis airman who had worked +in radar and said that basically he and his fellow airman has +seen these things flying over the Groom Mountains at speeds up to +7,000 miles per hour on radar...these things would stop on a +dime, so the guy knew that this is not your average airplane +that's doing this. We also interviewed the other people who went +with Lazar up on two consecutive weeks, they test them on +Wednesdays for some reason, and videotaped the tests, saw these +things flying over the mountains and confirmed his story as well. + +We put these questions to the Navy, who Lazar says he worked for +up there -- we made Freedom of Information Act requests for +information about the various specific programs he mentioned, of +course the Navy denied having any information on the programs. +Of course in those requests we also asked for other information +about UFOs, stuff the Navy has already released and they denied +having that information as well -- so I don't put a lot of faith +in the FOIA requests. + + CHUCK HARDER +In other words, what you're saying is that your organization +which is KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, plus many other UFO research +groups have uncovered many UFO documents that the government +says, 'Yeah, we got them and yeah it's true'...but then when you +ask them again they say, 'No, we don't have them!' + + GEORGE KNAPP +Exactly...that's exactly correct! + + CHUCK HARDER +I understand from MUFON and many other groups that there are +somewhere from four to seven thousand documents that prove +that...yes these things exist, copies of the documents are in +private hands, then you go and ask the government and they say, +'Well, er, no we don't remember...' + + GEORGE KNAPP +The government says that they have done these studies that say +that UFOs are no threat to national security, they're either +psychological aberrations, which means that people are nuts when +they see them, that's what they feed the public...but behind the +scenes they are very concerned about the national security +implications of UFOs that land at nuclear missile bases and can't +be caught, things of that nature. So the government from what +I've read is very concerned about the phenomena and doesn't +really understand it. The government on the other hand has +outright lied concerning what information it does have...the CIA +for example says it doesn't collect any information on +UFOs...well that's just patently not true. We have documents +from the CIA, a lot of it is blacked out, which mentions UFO +studies by the CIA, UFO research, CIA-UFO experts, agency +personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to +us all along. I didn't expect to get any confirmation regarding +what Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway. + + CHUCK HARDER +Before we went to the half-hour break you said that when he +looked inside one of these discs there were little furniture, +give me some information... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well he feels that they were bringing him along, giving him a +piece at a time. He would see a saucer one day, the next he +would see the hanger doors open and see all nine of them...after +that he got to see the inside of the thing. He also got to see a +demonstration of it. He was told to stand back and watch +this...and the thing lights up real bright...I guess the power +that's produced is incredible, you need to produce your own +gravitational field and it raised up, he wasn't sure who was +flying it or was it remotely or what. He watched it raise up, +did a couple of maneuvers and sat back down. Part of the reason +he came forward, not to spill the secrets of the universe or the +government, but because the research that's being done up there +is being handled in a clumsy fashion. If they have had these for +as long as forty years, which is what he believes, they haven't +come to far in trying to understand them. Some of the discs he +said he saw up there were being taken apart, kind of a reverse +archaeology process to figure out how they worked. Some of the +research going on up there is aimed at trying to duplicate the +things that these machines can do using earth technologies and +earth materials and he says it just can't be done. The key to +the flying of the things is something he calls 'Element 115'...it +does not exist on our periodic charts, he believes that wherever +it came from its a naturally occurring element, he says we have +500 pounds of this stuff up there, just a little tiny sliver of +it produces incredible amounts of power. Its the '115' that we +will not be able to duplicate so he thinks...one of the reasons +that he came forward is because scientists all over the world are +working, putting their energy into trying to master the secrets +of gravity and the secrets of anti-matter technology and here +we've got it up there and they're not doing a very good job with +it -- this little batch of scientists hidden out in the desert +are trying to figure it out and not doing a very good job... + + + + + + +044/046 23 Dec 89 22:15:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: George Knapp Interview #4/Lazar +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +<...Continued from previous message> + + CHUCK HARDER +But this is kind of common with the United States government...I +read a tremendous amount of material...I read a tremendous amount +of material...I read five newspapers a day and I'll find where +one group in one part of the country is working on a project and +I'll get a clipping where another group is working on the same +project, I've contacted them and they don't know of each other! + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yeah, Yeah -- that's exactly right...he said the +compartmentalization up there was very severe as well so that +nobody had the full picture -- I guess so nobody could spill the +beans as he has been trying to do. + + CHUCK HARDER +Alright, what does he feel the public should know and what does +he feel should be done? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well, he's not on a campaign, what he really wanted to do was to +save his own life. He started having some problems when it +became obvious to his employers that he was telling someone else +about this. + + CHUCK HARDER +We're talking about Bob Lazar now... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Bob Lazar...his phone being tapped, people visiting him, calling +him up with a single word message -- DEAD -- then they hang up! +He tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor and the +meetings didn't come off, he says somebody took a shot at him on +the freeway...obviously he realizes that if they really wanted to +kill him, they could. Maybe perhaps they were just trying to +shut him up. He feels that what is going on up there is a crime +against the entire scientific community...not only the American +people because we don't know what's going on and we haven't been +told alien technology exists, but also against the scientific +community. So, what else can I tell ya? + + CHUCK HARDER +What does he say about the aliens? + + GEORGE KNAPP +He's reluctant to talk about that, apparently he did see some +aliens up there... + + CHUCK HARDER +Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yeah, he's kind of sketchy on the details of that, and I don't +think I should go much further on that...part of the discussion +until I can talk to him, but he has indications that there are +aliens up there, at least one... + + CHUCK HARDER +Live? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yeah, it's pretty wild, I know and I didn't include that in our +reports because I couldn't confirm any thing of that nature, I +couldn't find anyone else who had seen them up there so... + + CHUCK HARDER +What did they look like? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Your classic Grey...the little big-headed almond eyed-grey +skinned being...the same ones in the classic descriptions of the +UFO literature...he's kind of squeamish talking about it as well +because it sounds so crazy... + + CHUCK HARDER +I don't think it's crazy at all, there was an article, let me +digress for a moment, there was an article yesterday on the front +page of The Wall Street Journal where the FDA that stopped all of +the grapes from Chile last March...apparently somebody laced two +of the grapes with cyanide a couple of hours before the FDA, +stumbled on them and it was an inside job apparently while the +grapes were in the inspection station...and it was not done on +the way, so somebody's lying there -- we're talking of two little +grapes that almost bankrupted the country of Chile! If two +little grapes...and such a story hits the front page of The Wall +Street Journal about the questions about the truthfulness and +what happened with the FDA, what about this...how would this ever +get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES?! + + GEORGE KNAPP +Well, I tell you we asked the question, the obvious question, if +this is true; how can the government keep this a secret all this +time? A story this big -- the government leaks like a sieve on +other things, how could the coverup exist? + + CHUCK HARDER +Oh, I'll tell you... + + GEORGE KNAPP +To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he asked the +question to his superiors up there, it's the easiest thing in the +world to keep a secret because if it does come out, little bits +and pieces, who's going to believe it? + + + + + + +045/046 23 Dec 89 22:17:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: George Knapp Interview #5/Lazar +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +<...Continued from previous message> + + CHUCK HARDER +Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you not? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yes... + + CHUCK HARDER +For those who are listening, I got into this investigation +because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck +you ought to investigate this...we've investigated many things in +the past such as the GM Diesel coverup, we're working on a pay +phone coverup, we've done things with Ralph Nader...and so on. +So we started buying the books and contacting UFO organizations. +I then found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always +there...somehow he as always there and he said that everything +was bunk! And of course, he works for the Aviation Week magazine +which is of course is the mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial +complex and they certainly wouldn't want this technology to be +out! I was also amazed when I saw the stealth bomber (tests) +live on CNN one Saturday and a small plane landed at the same +place, (runway) do you remember that...? + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yes... + + CHUCK HARDER +My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super-secret, how +could a man and his children land their little tiny plane on the +same runway at a super-secret airforce base? How could he have +pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth? My feeling was, +probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching! + + GEORGE KNAPP +Yeah, I'd have to agree with you, because the security up +there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what they +want out of it. + + CHUCK HARDER +So what your talking about then, since the Condon Committee, Phil +Klass and all the of the spokespeople who are supposed to know +everything, what your saying is the ridicule factor...if Billy +Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes it +to the paper, everybody laughs at him! + + GEORGE KNAPP +There are actual documents the government has released (Under +Freedom of Information Act) that show it has an active program +that started back in the fifties...the CIA even used the term +DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to +produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying +saucers...they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their +spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he's explained away +UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation +ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the +planet. + + CHUCK HARDER +Uh huh... + + GEORGE KNAPP +He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain the +sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and the +examples that he is trying to explain occur in cloudless skies +where there is no lightning around. You mention the Condon +report, that's a perfect example of the kinds of things that the +government has done in the past, they commission a study, it's +supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing, +Edward Condon had before he even started, that there was nothing +to UFOs, the government should get out of it, and he also said at +one point that the authors of UFO books should be HORSEWHIPPED! +One of the explanations that came from the Condon Committee +witnessed by several people, they described it as, a natural +phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since! I +don't think this kind of a thing is an accident! + + CHUCK HARDER +Ok, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a UFO) and +from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens, some +have been coming here for years and years and it's nothing new... + + GEORGE KNAPP +Right... + + CHUCK HARDER +Why is it in some parts of the world (now) they report other +types of humanoids and other types of vehicles...I happen to have +beautiful photos of some, and as I told you off-the-air, we're +going to be releasing them in our upcoming magazine if someone +doesn't stick a dagger through my heart... + + GEORGE KNAPP +You're talking about the Billy Meier case, if you want to touch +on that, we also did some investigation on that... + + + + + + +046/046 23 Dec 89 22:19:00 +From: Michael Corbin +To: All +Subj: George Knapp Interview #6/Lazar +Attr: +------------------------------------------------ +<...Continued from previous message> + + CHUCK HARDER +Ok, go ahead. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Billy Meier, I've always been intrigued by that, and wanted to +check them out. Its been pretty much written-off by the UFO +community but when we put questions to them about the case they +can't explain exactly why so we traveled to Phoenix and talked to +Lee Elders one of the lead investigators on the Billy Meier case +and started going over the evidence. The photos had been +analyzed by independent experts, the film footage and video had +been analyzed, the metal sample had been confirmed as something +we don't have -- technology of cold fusion was used to produce +this metal, the landing sites, the strange circular patterns in +the grass that are now only gaining attention in Britain and +other countries, all of this stuff had never been pretty much +discounted by the UFO community because Elders and Wendelle +Stevens had gone outside of the UFO community to get +confirmation. The UFO people were kept out of it, the Billy +Meier case I think exemplifies the biggest weakness in UFOLOGY +and that's the jealousy that permeates the field...everybody +wants to be the only one with the real story of UFOs, so they +kind of written this guy off only because he didn't cooperate +with them. + + CHUCK HARDER +We have been able to get some photos from a source who has some +negatives that were just recently located...some from ten feet +away, I used to be in the motion picture business. If they are +models they cost thousands of dollars and I doubt if a simple +Swiss farmer could have done it... + + GEORGE KNAPP +I'd agree with ya, the reason we got interested in Billy Meier, +it goes back to Lazar, was because Bob Lazar says, the saucer +that he saw fly, he dubbed it the sport model, was the same +saucer in the Meier photos, exactly the same. + + CHUCK HARDER +The new ones or the old ones? + + GEORGE KNAPP +The new one. + + CHUCK HARDER +Ok, that's the one we've got. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Going back to the things he saw (Lazar) at S-4, he saw the nine +saucers, he said all nine of them were different, like we got the +variety pack, but the one he saw fly was like the one in the +Meier photo. (There are Three types photographed by Billy +Meier.) + +That's why we decided to check out the Meier part of the (UFO) +story. + +>>>>At this point Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a +break coming up and after the break would he please tell Mr. and +Mrs. America what they should do to get the truth.<<<< + + CHUCK HARDER +I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name George +Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to them, you +know why. + + GEORGE KNAPP +Someone should tell us what's going on...TV and movies have +conditioned us...we won't panic...Jimmy Carter when he ran for +President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to open +all the UFO files and he didn't -- we wrote to him asking why and +he didn't respond. We want the government to come clean. If +that takes a Congressional Investigation...that's something that +should be looked at. If it is launched we have to make sure that +there are no CIA, contractors and the like involved otherwise +people aren't going to believe it. We've seen enough of this +whitewash stuff over the years. If there's nothing to the story, +then open up the files and prove it to us! + + CHUCK HARDER +OK, have the government let the press into these areas and don't +first clean them out... + +================================================================= + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1259.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1259.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6a7323b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1259.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +SUBJECT: SIGHTING IN FLORIDA FILE: UFO1259 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 29, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Tribune +LOCATION: Tampa, Florida +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +======================================================== + +REPORTED UFO SIGHTINGS IN FLORIDA + + August 1952--A Boy Scoutmaster in West Palm Beach encounters +"ball lightning" and surmises that it is a UFO. Ball lightning +consists of balls of fire that fall swiftly from clouds and then +explode on the ground. + August 1954--Five sightings of UFOs take place near +Gainesville. + November 1955--At least 15 reports of UFOs in Marion County. + November 1957--Sightings in Florida escalate. Headline in +Tribune reads, "Will Sputnik Collide With a Flying Saucer?" + July 1964--Thirty eight reports of UFOs in Clearwater during +Fourth of July fireworks display. These are entered in Air +Force's Project Blue Book but later are revealed to be part of a +prank. + April 1, 1965--A flying saucer hoax, complete with +photographs, appears in Tribune's "In Our Town" column by Patrick +Kelly. Pictures attributed to a WFLA-TV newsman actually were +taken by Tribune photographer. + April 1965--First of UFO sightings reported by Brooksville +resident John Reeves. Reeves says a spaceship, about 20 to 30 +feet in diameter, landed near his home and humanoids got out. He +says the craft then retreated at an estimated speed of 5,000 mph +and was visible in the sky for only 10 seconds. Reeves says he +retrieved a piece of paper inscribed with strange symbols. +Investigators from MacDill Air Force Base and the Pentagon later +decide Reeves' experience is an elaborate hoax. The piece of +paper is found to be of common material, and the message is a +simple code for the words, "Planet Mars, are you coming home +soon? We miss you very much. Why did you stay away so long?" + April 1966--Sighting of UFO by passengers and pilots of +airplane flying over Ocala toward Tallahassee. Florida Governor +Hayden Burns was on the airplane. + May 1966--Cocoa Beach Chamber of Commerce erects and +dedicates UFO landing strip at Fisher Park, next to Cape Kennedy. +A welcoming committee is formed and signs indicate that it is a +UFO hospitality station. + December 1966--Brooksville resident John Reeves reports +another encounter with a UFO. This time, he says, visitors left +footprints and impression of landing gear in the soil. + August 1968--Brooksville resident John Reeves reports taking +trip with UFO creatures and walking on the moon. He says he has +acquired additional evidence from the aliens, including a piece +of metal rarely found in nature and moon dust that resembles the +substance brought back by American probes. + September 1973--On four consecutive nights, UFO sightings +are reported throughout Florida. + May 1974--UFO reported in south Tampa, near intersection of +Gandy Boulevard and Manhattan Avenue. Eyewitness Carolene Heart +says the UFO came and went several times between the hours of 7 +p.m. and 2 a.m. one evening. She says witnesses include +personnel from MacDill Air Force Base, Tampa Fire Department and +local television stations. Those organizations have no history +of the sighting, however, nor was there news coverage of the +event. + September 1977--Numerous individuals, including Bay County +sheriff's deputies and security personnel from Tyndall Air Force +Base, report seeing a UFO in Calloway near Panama City. One of +the deputies, Bobby Nowell, says the UFO was visible for more +than three hours in the southeastern sky. An amateur astronomer +and former pilot, Nowell says, "There was no logical explanation +for what I saw." + January 1979--UFO sighting reported in Winter Haven by +police officer Ron Perdue. + January through July 1980--More than six UFO sightings +reported in Pasco County. + June 1986--Many reports of UFOs sighted in Hillsborough, +Pinellas, Manatee and Sarasota counties. Meteor shower +suspected. + June 1987--On several consecutive nights, residents of +Silver Spring Shores, Goosky Prairie, Citra and Ocala report +seeing a UFO. The witnesses include Marion County sheriff's +deputy Jay Manifold, who says the craft had "a total of four +lights, red and green," and was hovering at treetop level for +about 10 seconds. + +================================================================= + + was hovering at treetop level for +about 10 seconds. + +=============================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1260.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1260.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e1079be7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1260.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,390 @@ +SUBJECT: ED'S ENCOUNTERS HAVE MADE HIS LIFE HELL FILE: UFO1260 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: January 30, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Tribune +LOCATION: Tampa, Florida +BYLINE: Jennifer Tucker +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +'STATE OF SIEGE' + +ED'S UFO ENCOUNTERS HAVE MADE HIS LIFE HELL + +By Jennifer Tucker +Tribune Staff Writer + + GULF BREEZE--Ed isn't the "UFO type." + He's a WASPish baby boomer with a kid in college and a two +car garage. As a custom home builder in a community full of +custom homes, he depends on personal referrals for his +livelihood. + He doesn't seem to need the money he could earn from a best +seller based on his experiences. Yet local sources indicate he +has recently signed a book contract. + Nevertheless, Ed is the guy who has taken all the +photographs, made all the noise, caused all the fury. Just over +a year ago, Ed says a UFO appeared in front of his house in Gulf +Breeze and he immediately took several photographs of the craft. + Ed walked into the street to get a closer look and a "blue +beam" shot down from the ship, temporarily paralyzing him, he +says. At the same time, Ed says he heard a loud "hum" and was +instructed by an authoritative voice to "be still." + Within seconds, he says, he was raised off the ground, then +thrown to the concrete as the craft disappeared. From that +moment on, Ed says, a resonant "hum" always preceded the +appearance of the UFO. + Seven months later, after 21 encounters resulting in more +than 30 photographs and one videotape, Ed says he was abducted +again. This time, the aliens removed the hum and he has not seen +or photographed a UFO since, he says. + To Ed, 42, this was no phantom object, no trick of nature or +imagination. It was real. It made his life a living hell. + And it forced him to defend himself, he says, not against +the aliens, but against the people who call him crazy. + +WORDS POUND + "Look," Ed says in one of a series of telephone interviews, +his words pounding with the passion of a clenched fist. "Before +Nov. 10, 1987, I wouldn't have believed in UFOs either unless one +landed in my front yard. + "Uh, no pun intended." + Ed guffaws like Gulliver in a land of Lilliputians. + If Ed has been enlightened with truths no scientist knows, +then it is wisdom learned reluctantly. He can barely get through +a sentence without revealing his fears or defending his position. + He describes the experience as "a state of siege." + Yet, he doesn't plead for understanding. And he doesn't +expect it, really. Besides the photographs themselves, Ed's take +it or leave it attitude is his most convincing argument. + And it's an argument he can't win, critics say, not with a +pocket full of Polaroids. + Ed, meanwhile, has remained anonymous because he fears his +fate. "I would always be known as the UFO guy." + He'd rather be known as a good businessman, a good father +and a good buddy to the kids he says he's kept off the streets by +welcoming them into his home. + "No, no, no. It was an awful experience. If you ever take +a photograph (of a UFO), do not show it to anybody. Put it in a +drawer and show it to your grandkids," he says wearily. + Ed's story is lengthy and strange, and he knows it. He says +his first encounter, in November 1987, resulted in five blurry +color photographs he made with a 17 year old Polaroid camera. + +TAKE A PICTURE + "Put yourself in the mood of peacefully sitting in your +office and looking out your front window and you see something +that...looks like it just escaped a Steven Speilberg movie," he +says. "You figure you better take a picture of it." + Ed's humor about his experience is as revealing as it is +disarming. Like a schoolboy trying to explain a pock marked +report card, Ed uses humor to cushion the blow. His laughter +bounces and rolls like a runaway basketball, but his words slam +into listeners' ears with the power of a Michael Jordan slam +dunk. + For months, Ed snapped dozens of pictures. Many were taken +near his home, situated in the sleepy center of town next to a +large, overgrown field. + Others were taken at Shoreline Park, a spot facing the +skinny barrier island called Pensacola Beach. Stray kittens +crowd the wooded park, whose main features are a whitewashed +gazebo and a good stretch of concrete. + Still others were taken along deserted county roads, whose +curves are familiar to Ed, the builder. + Skeptics and believers agree--the photographs are remarkably +unidentifiable. The craft (or crafts) captured on film are +mostly spherical in shape, with dark, recessed points that Ed +surmises are windows. Lights encircle the bottom of the craft +and a round bulb is perched on top. + In many instances, Ed snapped the pictures in what he +describes as frenzied fear, at dusk or near dawn. Moreover, the +craft maneuvered so rapidly that Ed says his opportunities for +precise pictures were limited. + +ALIEN ENCOUNTERS + He also was having alien encounters Ed says he couldn't +capture on film. On several occasions, Ed says, he was pursued +by a "blue beam" of light that shot from the craft. + He says a bowl full of bubbling residue was found in his +back yard after one late night visit. The Mutual UFO Network, +which initiated investigation of Ed's claims, had the substance +analyzed at independent chemical laboratories in Florida and +Texas. These revealed a strange liquid high in magnesium and +trace elements, Ed says. + More frightening were face to face meetings with the aliens +themselves--what scientists call an encounter of the third kind. + The first time he saw one of the "creatures," Ed says he was +awakened at 3 a.m. by the now familiar hum that preceded their +visits. When he peered out the glass doors of his bedroom, Ed +says, he was face to face with a childlike creature clad in gray. + He says he saw more of these creatures at a later date, an +experience that produced one of the most dramatic photographs in +Ed's portfolio. + In it, the craft is pictured hovering just above the road, +lights reflecting on the wet pavement. Moments after he took +this picture, Ed says he realized the craft was moving toward him +so he slid from the truck and crawled underneath it. + From his prone position, Ed says he could see a blue beam +flash from the craft several times, each time depositing a +creature on the road. + He assumed the creatures were "after him" and, riddled with +terror, he jumped back in the truck and sped away. He didn't +even think about taking a picture, he says. + +OFFICIAL VISIT + After Ed's photographs began to appear in the Gulf Breeze +Sentinel newspaper--with his approval but without his name--Ed +says he was visited by two men who identified themselves as U.S. +Air Force personnel. Wielding badges printed with "Air Force +Special Security Services," the visitors behaved "very +aggressively" and demanded Ed turn over his photographs, he says. + Ed refused, explaining they were in the hands of +professional photographic analysts. (Many were; others were +still in Ed's possession.) + By spring, two major UFO organizations--the Mutual UFO +Network and the Center for UFO Studies--had been in touch with +Ed. So had dozens of media representatives, including the +National Enquirer, which Ed says turned down the story because +one analysis tentatively labeled the photographs a hoax. + With that, the seed of suspicion was planted. And Ed, who +states vehemently, "My word is my bond," was forced into a corner +full of accusations. + After taking 24 photographs with his old Polaroid, Ed began +using cameras and film provided by UFO researchers--unbroken +packages and factory perfect equipment. He produced 11 +photographs with the new equipment supplied by UFO investigators. + Ed also built a so called stereo camera that allowed him to +take two pictures simultaneously, creating a 3-D effect. With +this camera, he took about eight photographs. + "If I hadn't taken any pictures with these cameras, I would +have been branded guilty by non photography," he says, +sarcastically. + By using mathematical equations, analysts studying the +photographs could determine its distance from the camera and its +size. Most often, these conclusions placed the craft 65 to 180 +feet from the camera, at an approximate size of 12 feet in +diameter and 9 feet high. + +UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE + These estimates correspond quite precisely to an unusual +occurrence in Gulf Breeze during the spring. A circular patch of +dead grass was discovered on the high school grounds, and lab +analysis by UFO investigators revealed the grass wasn't killed by +disease or suffocated by petroleum derivatives. + The patch had a 12 foot diameter. + In addition to providing his photographs for publication, Ed +agreed to numerous psychological exams, a lie detector test that +included a five hour interview, and an electronic voice analysis. + In each case, investigators concluded Ed was sane and +honest. + "There was never any question that what happened, happened," +Ed says. "But I don't know why me--why I was privy to these +things. + "I didn't feel 'chosen,' I felt abused," he says. "I was +tormented, a prisoner in my own house. I surrounded myself with +people at work and family at home. + "My kids never knew if Daddy was going to go away and not +come back." + Ed says he took the photographs to the local newspaper +because he felt a kind of civic duty to warn nearby residents. +Yet his reward from skeptics was name calling tirades that +labeled him "everything from an agitated fool to a +schizophrenic," Ed says. + People trying to discredit him, he says, have played "hide +and seek with the truth" while distorting the facts to fit their +opinion. + +CLASSIC CAMPAIGN + "What this is is a classic disinformation campaign by the +debunkers in order to brand me as loony tunes," Ed says, his +voice rising in defense. "They ran out of legitimate scientific +criticisms of the photographic evidence. You have to keep in +mind that none of these debunkers have ever talked to any of the +other witnesses." + Dozens of independent eyewitnesses in Gulf Breeze and +Pensacola have reported seeing UFOs in the last year, and many of +these reports coincide with the appearance of Ed's photographs. + Yet Ed has been criticized for being alone in his torment-- +the only one able to take photographs of the craft. + "Look, where are you at 3 a.m.? It would have been pretty +bizarre to have a mass of people around me at 3 a.m.," he says. + Moreover, Ed says his closest neighbors have seen the UFO. +But they are afraid of ridicule. + Currently, Ed says he has no plans to make his identity +public or to sell the detailed, chronological log that he's +written about the ordeal. (Sources in Gulf Breeze, however, +report Ed has signed a lucrative book contract.) + "I have no monetary motive here," he says. "Sometimes, I +think a book might be the right thing to do for public education, +but it might not be the right thing for my family. + "What might be a lot of money to some people is not enough +for me to sell my soul," Ed says. + After long conversations, Ed's words are punctuated by sighs +instead of laughter. He sounds less enthusiastic about the +subject and more excited by the solitude he's enjoyed for several +months. + "Not to be frivolous, but I'm still the same old Ed. I've +still got my feet on the ground. + "But it has affected me almost daily," he says, chuckling +softly. "I'll be doing mundane chores, like pumping gas or +buying bolts at the hardware store. And I'll look around and +wonder. + "I wonder if they (the aliens) need gas. Or on a rainy, +miserable day, I wonder if they are getting wet. + "It's just...I know they are out there." + +================================================================= + +JOURNAL EXCERPTS REVEAL ED'S FEAR + + The Gulf Breeze Sentinel published many of Ed's photographs +as he presented them, even creating a special edition to showcase +these images. The following are excerpts from Ed's commentary +that accompanied the photographs appearing in the special +section. + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + "After taking those original five photos in my front yard, +what was unreported was the UFO shot a blue beam that froze and +lifted me from the ground. The blue beam keeps you from moving +even your eyelids, and your chest cannot expand, so you have to +pant to breath. While in the blue beam, the UFO can talk to you +using telepathy." + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + "A strange hum began in my head...I really thought I was +going crazy but when I went outside, I again saw the UFO appear +in the same spot in the sky...Finally, there was a telepathic +voice command that I 'step forward.' I thought to myself, 'No +way' and took another picture. The voice said in another +language, 'Photographs are prohibited.'" + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + "The UFO was hovering at the back of the house as I went out +with gun and camera in hand. I pointed the camera and the gun. +I wasn't really going to shoot. I was just scared. The UFO +winked out." + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + "At 3:30 a.m., we were in bed when I heard the dog bark. I +jumped up and pulled up quickly the blind on the French door. +There standing only 12 inches from my face was a shielded +creature looking straight back into my eyes. I fell back and it +turned to leave. When I recovered and ran out, the UFO was +overhead...The UFO stopped me from following the creature so that +the UFO could shoot over and beam the creature up in the blue +beam." + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + "At 2 a.m., the hum returned and when we checked in the +front I saw and photographed a totally different UFO, which +seemed to have an energy veil shooting from the bottom." + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + + "The sightings have changed me and my family and, if given +the chance, I would simply not have taken the first picture +which led to the next and next, until my contact with the UFO has +become overwhelming." + +================================================================= + +PHOTOGRAPHS IN QUESTION + +By Jennifer Tucker +Tribune Staff Writer + + GULF BREEZE--The controversy in Gulf Breeze is not limited +to a pocketful of Polaroids. + It is made more puzzling by new explanations and startling +accusations that threaten the credibility of Ed, the principal +photographer of UFOs in Gulf Breeze. + At the center of the debate is a teenager and his mother. + And an old photograph that turned up several weeks ago. + Seventeen year old Bill, who refuses to reveal his real +name, was one of a group of kids who spent a lot of time at Ed's +house during the last three years. He says they participated in +games and activities designed to help forget the smallness of the +city. + Gulf Breeze has no movie theater, bowling alley or skating +rink, and is situated in dry Santa Rosa county. + Nevertheless, he and his friends used to have a lot of fun +at Ed's house, Bill says. Among the activities were so called +"spooky" games--seances, ghost stories and the like. + Often, Bill says, Ed would take Polaroid photographs of the +players and some of the pictures would reveal a "phantom...foggy +thing" next to the image of the person. + "It was all in fun," Bill says. "It got everybody spooked +and stuff." + "One time," Bill says, "Ed asked his house guests something +like, 'Wouldn't it be great if we did an ultimate joke?'" +Although Ed never revealed his plans, Bill believes the answer +appeared in the form of a UFO. + "Because I saw the pictures he took of the ghost thing, I +figured this has got to be it...the prank," Bill says. "Ed never +told anyone how he did the photographs. We all thought it was +trick photography." + Ed bristles at the notion that he has pulled a sophisticated +prank. + "First, I categorically deny that I ever used those exact +words," Ed says. "There is nothing that I have ever done that +can be construed as a prank." + And that includes the 'ghost' photograph revealed only weeks +ago, he adds. + This photograph, of a young girl and a fuzzy white blur, +were the combined result of a 17 year old camera, a film defect, +and a game room full of mirrors and glass, Ed explains. He +attributes the blur to reflections off glass. + He did, however, take out of focus pictures when the kids' +talk turned to ghost stories. + "I did not recreate that photo repeatedly and intentionally +at parties. No," Ed says. His rage also swells at the +suggestion these gatherings were 'ritual seances.' + "Kids like to tell ghost stories...and if that sounds like a +ritual seance, I'll kiss your butt," he says, angrily. + Bill's mother, Linda Chepult, says her son has been unfairly +criticized for his honesty, and his reputation has been sullied +by those who believe the UFO pictures are real. + "The whole thing has gone to such an extreme that for an +average person with reasonable intelligence, it's hard to +believe," she says. "But I don't think Ed will ever come out and +tell the truth because too many prominent people have supported +him. + "And besides," Linda adds, "I didn't like the seances and +the blobs appearing over the kids' heads." + Bill explains he has no reason to lie about what he saw or +heard at Ed's house. "I believe in life on other planets," Bill +says, "but I don't believe they are coming to Gulf Breeze." + Ed, meanwhile, says he won't be labeled a liar so easily. + "I'm standing up for my honesty," Ed says. "I'm not going +to let somebody call me a liar without standing up and saying +they are wrong. + "Listen, the most important thing to me is my family. It is +my first responsibility," Ed says. "Why would I want to make +this up?" + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1261.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1261.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9fb6094b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1261.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +SUBJECT: FYFFE ALABAMA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1261 + + + FYFFE, Ala. (AP) -- Some northeastern Alabamans profess to be bewildered by +an unidentified flying object -- a fast, silent craft described variously as +looking like an airplane or a banana with lights on it. + Police Chief Junior Garmany, who went with Assistant Police Chief Fred Works +to check out reports to his office, said the object was still hovering when +officers arrived Friday night. + "We got out of the car and we turned off the engine and the radio," he said. +"When we started towards it, it began moving away." + People from Grove Oak to Lickskillet were left Tuesday with speculation, but +no explanation, as to what they had seen. + Garmany said the craft was "bigger than a jumbo jet," covered with green, +white and red lights and "going about three or four hundred miles an hour." An +Oak Grove woman described the object as shaped like a banana with the arch +upright. "There was a red light on each end and a white light in a line between +them. The top of the curve was outlined in green light," the woman, who asked +not to be identified, told the Fort Payne Times-Journal. + According to the newspaper, the sheriff's office got another call from a +Lickskillet resident who said, "You better get a deputy over here quick. I +don't know what it is, but it's scaring the hell out of my bird dogs." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1262.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1262.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..868711be --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1262.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +SUBJECT: SIGHTING REPORT FROM RAINSVILLE ALABAMA FILE: UFO1262 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Susan Stockman +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +By Susan Stockman + + Numerous sightings of a mysterious aircraft were +rep[reported to DeKalb County law enforcement officers Friday +night. + From Lickskillet on Lookout Mountain, to Grove Oak on Sand +Mountain, calls started pouring into police departments around +8:30 p.m. about an object "sometimes hovering above the treetops" +to an object "streaking through the sky." + The craft was not only observed by numerous citizens, but +several law enforcement officers also reporting it. + The first report that something was flying over DeKalb +County came around 8:30 p.m. to the Fyffe Police Department from +a Grove Oak woman. + The woman said she had watched the object for over an hour +through a pair of binoculars. + The woman told The Weekly Post that she and her sister were +returning home from Fyffe when they saw a low-hovering, bright +white light just above the treetops. + The woman, who asked to remain unidentified, said when they +were within one-half mile of her home, the object appeared to be +behind her home. + She said she then rolled down the windows of her car, and +couldn't hear any noise. + When she turned into her driveway, she said the object +disappeared. + While her sister ran into the house to get their husbands, +the woman went to a truck parked outside and retrieved a pair of +binoculars to see if she could follow it through the sky. + She said she could see the object on the horizon, looking +toward Collinsville. + The object was not moving, she said, and appeared to be +shaped "like a banana, with a red light on each end, and a white +light in a line between them. The top of the curve was outlined +in green lights." + The object turned, and the green lights "looked like a +fireworks display," according to the woman. + After calling the Fyffe Police, a patrol car was dispatched +to the woman's home, and according to Fyffe Assistant Police +Chief Fred Works, when they arrived, the craft was still +hovering, and when they got out of the patrol car and started +walking toward it, it began moving away. + The craft then reversed directions and flew over the heads +of the surprised officers. + The officers estimated the craft's altitude at 1,000 to +1,500 feet, but they said they were still able to get a good look +at it. + One of the officers said it appeared as if the white lights +underneath the craft were shining upward, illuminating the +bottom. + After disappearing from the Grove Oak area, the craft was +spotted by an Alabama State Trooper and by officers in +Crossville, Geraldine and Collinsville. + A Lickskillet resident called the DeKalb County Sheriff's +Department and said he "shot at the craft as it topped trees at +his home, with a 12-gauge shotgun." + An official at the Sheriffs Department said the man was +"terrified. He was about to have a heart attack, and his wife +was screaming." + Officials in Huntsville, Birmingham, and Maxwell Air Force +Base in Montgomery were all unable to explain the sightings, and +a National Weather Service spokesperson said that the description +of the craft "doesn't match any kind of weather balloon we have." + The woman that first spotted the craft Friday night saw the +object again Saturday night, in the same area, but said it seemed +to be "further away on the horizon than it was Friday night." + She called officers at Fyffe again, and the officers came to +her house. + When they arrived, the craft was gone, but, according to the +woman, it reappeared, and she watched it on and off for several +hours. + According to authorities, the craft is still listed as an +unidentified object. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1263.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1263.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7a13bffa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1263.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +SUBJECT: SIGHTING DESCRIBED AT BATTLE MOUNTAIN, NV. FILE: UFO1263 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 1, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Independent +LOCATION: Elko, Nevada +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +UFO SIGHTING DESCRIBED BY BATTLE MOUNTAIN + + Elaine Goldman would like someone to tell her what it was +she saw on her way home to Battle Mountain Monday evening. +Failing that, she would at least like to know that someone else +saw what she, her sister and her aunt observed in the skies of +northeastern Nevada. + The three women were driving west on Interstate 80 at about +5 p.m. Monday, Goldman said, and were about 28 miles from Battle +Mountain when they first sighted the object. "At first, it +looked like a star, but it was so light outside," Goldman said. + As they drew nearer to the object, which Goldman said sat +motionless hundreds of feet above Interstate 80, they began to +realize that this was no star. + "We were close enough to it to tell it wasn't an airplane or +a helicopter, either," Goldman said, "I get kind of nervous." + She described the thing as "kind of like an oval" in shape, +its size difficult to pinpoint because of the distance involved, +and bathed in a red glow. Two short streams of what appeared to +be smoke emanated from the center of the oval, Goldman said, +adding the streams in no way resembled the contrails of a jet +aircraft. + At each end of the oval was a flashing red light, which +could have accounted for the glow, the Battle Mountain woman +added. + Goldman said she and her relatives kept the object in sight +for 10-15 minutes before they passed directly beneath it. And +then it was gone. "It just disappeared," she said. "It was +there and then it wasn't." + The object may have vanished, but not Goldman's curiosity +about what it could have been. A check yesterday at the Federal +Aviation Administration office in Elko provided little assistance +-- the official on duty said there were no UFO sightings reported +there Monday. + But Goldman says she is hopeful that someone will come +forward to corroborate her sighting. "I'm sure somebody else had +to have seen it," the Battle Mountain woman said. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1264.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1264.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..805e30a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1264.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs IN WYTHEVILLE FILE: UFO1264 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 24, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Daily Telegraph +LOCATION: Bluefield, Virginia +BYLINE: Charles Boothe +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +ANOTHER VIEW + +UFOS IN WYTHEVILLE: AUTHORS STILL SEEKING ANSWERS + +Credit: D. Gordon + + About 75 people gathered at Fincastle Motor Inn in Tazewell +on a recent snowy Friday night. What they saw and heard left +many with a new, or renewed, interest is strange things that are +seen in the sky. + Everyone was there to hear and meet Danny Gordon and Paul +Dellinger, who recently co-authored a book on the UFO sightings +in Wythe County. + I read the book a few weeks ago and wrote about it in this +column, but I wanted to hear Gordon and Dellinger tell their +stories first-hand. It was well worth the trip, despite the bad +weather. + Gordon, news director of radio station WYYV in Wytheville, +is a skeptic and initially hesitated to get involved with the +story after two area policemen reported seeing a strange object +in September 1987. Gordon read the story on the air, with tongue +slightly in cheek, and he was quite surprised when his phone +started ringing off the hook. People were calling to tell him of +other sightings in the area. + After many reported sightings from people, who, he was +convinced, had no reason at all to make the stories up, Gordon +decided to go look for himself. That was the beginning of a +series of events that Gordon could not have imagined, or +believed, would ever happen. + Gordon, a newsman with 10 years experience, soon saw a UFO +and eventually saw many more, about 40 in all. + But the sightings came with a price. + He was constantly bombarded with phone calls about UFOs, not +only from people in the Wytheville area, but calls and letters +came from many states as the story gradually broke around the +country. + In fact, the calls, letters and visits by people who had +seen or wanted to see UFOs were almost more than Gordon could +handle. It soon turned into a wide-awake nightmare that left him +exhausted. + His life was threatened, someone broke into his apartment +and stole the negatives of the photos of UFOs he had taken (he +has some color prints he still carries with him at all times), +and he's convinced his phone was, and is, tapped. + Gordon finally decided to enlist the help of Dellinger, +Wytheville bureau chief for the Roanoke Times and World News, to +record what had happened. It's a fascinating story, and anyone +who hears them speak or reads their book, Don't Look Up!, will be +absolutely convinced Gordon and many people in the area saw some +very bizarre aircraft in the sky. + Gordon is still a skeptic, he's also now somewhat of a +cynic. Because everywhere he turned for help -- the news media, +the U.S. Air Force, a private UFO investigation organization -- +he got nothing but flack, deception and, sometimes, ridicule. + And that doesn't sit well with Gordon, who is obviously an +honest man, a straight-shooter who likes to cut through the bull. + Maybe the response from that famous king of yellow +journalism, The National Enquirer, best sums up what has happened +in Wytheville. + When the sightings were at their peak during late fall 1987, +they sent a reporter to Wytheville to cover the story. But he +didn't write a word. + The reason: People who witnessed the UFOs were not weirdos, +they didn't have any wild stories to tell. They were down to +earth folks who saw some unusual, and unexplained, flying objects +-- not the sensational type of stuff tabloids use. + Unfortunately, few respectable newspapers or television +stations did much with the story either, just a few articles and +spots about the sightings -- nothing investigative. + But Gordon is sticking to his guns. He's not in it for the +money or the attention. That's not his style. He just wants +some answers. + +Charles Boothe is city editor of the Daily Telegraph + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1265.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1265.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1096e75f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1265.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +SUBJECT: FEDERAL GOVT. LIES, KEEPS ALIEN INFO SECRET FILE: UFO1265 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 9, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Monroe Courier +LOCATION: Trumbull, Conneticut +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +======================================================== + +DUMAS: FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LIES, KEEPS ALIEN INFO SECRET + +Credit: R. Collins + +To the Editor: + + I am specifically writing because of the alleged UFO +sighting that occured in Easton. + Now, I will admit right up front that I would describe +myself as a real hard core UFO buff. I search for UFO-related +materials, and own at least one UFO pre-recorded video and many +books on the subject. The subject is one that I find fascinating +and I am not afraid to admit it. + The recent 'incident' in Easton doesn't really surprise me +and the so-called excuses that are put forward when they cannot +find a miserable excuse or a conventional explanation are just +pathetic. + Now, as far as I know, blimps, or the more accurate +technical term airships, do not often fly at night and I +sincerely doubt that one would be over the geographic area of +Easton, either. There are also rather few airships operating in +the entire nation, which reduces the odds that it would be a +'blimp'. + I do not know that some alleged UFO sightings in the +American southwest, specifically Nevada, were very likely the +recently revealed Lockheed F-117A stealth attack fighter bomber +and not UFOs. This is a case where the government exploits the +UFO issue as a cover to test secret and experimental aircraft. +It is reported that the F-117A is wedge-shaped, painted black or +dark indigo blue and has its engines buried inside the airframe +with large air mixing exhaust nozzles that mix hot engine exhaust +with cool air. The end result is a very quiet airplane that +makes a kind of a low whining or buzzing sound when in flight. + The geographical area of Easton isn't too far from the +Danbury area and adjoining Duchess County area of New York state +where there have been numerous reports of UFOs, including alleged +landing sights and even reports of UFO abductions, which are +technically known as close encounters of the fourth kind. + The fact is that the people will never get the straight +truth from the government because it has a vested interest in +keeping the issue obscure and out of the mainstream of American +political thought. + The American people have heard every lame excuse, including +the cliche' weather balloon, and in the case of Duchess County, +were told of snowmobile engine powered ultralight aircraft flying +in formations of various shapes and sizes. + Because these aircraft don't have any running lights, and +because, unlike some military aircraft, they do not have special +radars and infrared equipment to allow them to fly in total +darkness, this doesn't make sense either. + We are simply being lied to. + I could rule out that the air force is testing either the F- +117A or other experimental stealth aircraft, but keep in mind the +government prefers to test such aircraft for safety and other +reasons in the southwest specifically in the Nellis Airforce Base +area and the Tonopah, Nev., region. + Because I don't expect the federal government to reveal +their secret UFO information, which everyone knows they have, I +simply expect the government to tell the truth about when they +are and when they aren't testing experimental aircraft, and when +they really aren't sure what's out there. + I am coming around to the view that the government might not +be able, for good reasons, to really reveal all they know about +UFOs. While it has been treated like a joke, it is also a dead +serious issue. + The truth of alien visitation to the Earth may just be too +much for many people, especially if the recent speculations about +genetic experimentation are true, and I personally believe they +are. + +Brian P. Dumas +Easton + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1266.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1266.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..50ba2fa0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1266.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +SUBJECT: ENCOUNTER IN ENGLAND FILE: UFO1266 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 10, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: News & Advertiser +LOCATION: Todmorden, England +BYLINE: Pat Swift +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +THE NIGHT THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE + +By Pat Swift + + Former policeman Alan Godfrey has never consciously claimed +to have met creatures from outer space. + But whatever happened to him in the "missing minutes" in the +cold early hours of a November morning over eight years ago has +irrevocably changed his life forever. + Alan hit the national headlines over a year after first +putting in an official report that he had seen a UFO hovering +above Burnley Road near Mons Jill. + At first there was local interest and a lot of speculation +about the sighting, particularly as five other officers in +Calderdale and Greater Manchester had reported seeing a similar +object low in the skies on the same morning. + But Alan was not the first police officer in Todmorden to +put in an official report of a UFO sighting. + It was only when a senior police officer persuaded him to +reveal details of tapes taken while he underwent regression +hypnosis that he really created a stir on the front pages of +nearly every national newspaper. + For under hypnosis, under stringent conditions and observed +by police officers, Alan told how he had been taken aboard the +spaceship and had been examined by creatures from outer space. + "To this day, I don't know what happened to me that +morning," says Alan. "I can clearly remember seeing this object +revolving and hovering above the road as I drove up towards +Lydgate in the police car. I stopped the car, made notes and did +a sketch and then got out of the car and started walking towards +it. + "The next thing I can remember is being further up Burnley +Road beyond the point where I had seen the craft, but it was no +longer there." + Consciously he has no recollection of what happened in +between, but there are physical clues which appear to back up his +story told under hypnosis. + On those tapes he tells how he was laid on a table and +examined with some kind of electrical probe fixed to the insole +of his foot. + At the time of the incident he found his heavy leather +police boot had been ripped and he had a small burn mark on his +insole. + "It would be a lot easier for me to believe that I made it +all up under hypnosis...that it was something my imagination +dreamed up. + "But the truth is I don't know what happened, and probably +never will." + When the details of the tapes were released to the press +they linked it to speculation about a case on which Alan had +worked five months before his UFO sighting--the mysterious death +of Polish born Leeds miner Zygmunt Adamski. + Mr. Adamski had disappeared from near his home on the +outskirts of Leeds. He had set out to visit a nearby shop to buy +some potatoes as his family had visitors in preparation for the +following day when he was due to give away his God daughter at +her wedding. + He never returned--but five days later his body was +discovered in the coal yard near Todmorden station. + Some of his clothing was missing; he had mysterious burn +marks on the back of his head which had been treated with an +ointment which scientists could not identify as anything known on +earth--and he had died of a heart attack brought on by fear or +shock. + There had been many reports of UFO sightings in West +Yorkshire around the time and Coroner Mr. James Turnbull in +recording an open verdict, said he could not rule out speculation +about creatures from space. + Alan was one of the local officers working on the case and +was surprised that no major investigation was launched. + But although he was discharged from West Yorkshire Police on +medical grounds due to an injury he had received before all these +strange events, Alan is still bound by the Official Secrets Act. + "Because of this I am not allowed to talk about the case," +he says. + After he became a major news story, Alan felt that he was +being subjected to harassment in the force. "Life was being made +difficult for me," he said. "I was no longer 'one of the lads' +and superiors sent me for medical examinations in efforts to show +I was having hallucinations, but the doctors all gave me a clean +bill of health mentally." + Eventually Alan and the police parted company when an old +injury incurred during a struggle while on duty was the official +reason for his medical discharge. + "I felt I could have continued in the force, even if only at +a desk job," he says. + But losing his job also cost him his home as he could no +longer afford to meet the mortgage payments, and he had to turn +his hands to other trades. + "It put a strain on everything and life has been difficult," +he recalls. "The police even raided my leaving party to check +for after hours drinkers." + Alan is regularly sought by TV and radio chat show hosts and +the Press. + "Whenever there is another major sighting, I start getting +calls for interviews again." + But don't the fees from these TV and radio interviews help +compensate for the difficulties he faced on first leaving the +force? + Alan smiles wrily. "There's a sliding scale for interview +fees, and I'm definitely on the bottom rung of the ladder!" + His financial fortunes cold change if one of the Hollywood +film giants decides to take up an option on using the transcripts +of the hypnosis sessions as the basis for a future film. + But in the meantime, Alan is settling into his new life, +although he still misses police work. + And has he seen any further strange objects in the skies? + "I don't look," he says emphatically. "If one landed right +in front of me, I'd turn around and run. I wouldn't want to get +involved." + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + **************************************************************************************************************** diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1267.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1267.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..b33e061f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1267.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +SUBJECT: SIGHTING IN RIDGEWAY PENNSYLVANIA FILE: UFO1267 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 11, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Record +LOCATION: Ridgway, Pennsylvania +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +======================================================== + +CLEARFIELD--Unidentified Flying Objects are back in the local +news, with the most recent sighting report over Bradford Township +near Bigler. Reports of area UFO sightings began in November and +tapered off after a few weeks, but in recent weeks area residents +have again begun to report strange objects in the skies. +Lawrence Township Police received several reports recently, and +about awhile ago state police at Woodland had a possible UFO +report from Forest in Cooper Township. John Wagner of +Wallaceton, an employee of Glen-Gery at Bigler, said he doesn't +know what it was but he saw an extremely large object in the sky +after 11:00 p.m. as he left for work recently. He estimated the +object to be the length of one and one half or two football +fields. "What made me so suspicious was size. When I saw it I +thought, whoa." + "It was moving real slow," he said, adding he could detect +no noise from the object. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1268.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1268.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f7c9a9b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1268.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +SUBJECT: TOWNSFOLK IN ALABAMA PUZZLED BY SIGHTINGS FILE: UFO1268 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: State +LOCATION: Columbia, South Carolina +BYLINE: Dave Moniz +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +TOWNSFOLK IN ALABAMA PUZZLED BY UFO SIGHTING + +By Dave Moniz, Staff Writer + + Fyffe's problem is everyone's problem. + UFOs spell trouble. + Especially if they look like flying bananas and are bigger +than jumbo jets. + So Friday night, when a handful of Alabamans spotted not +one, but two giant vessels hovering in the dark sky above them, +it put tiny Fyffe, Ala, on the celestial map. + Although unexplained UFOs are fairly common, the roster of +witnesses makes the Fyffe sighting more than just fodder for the +next Geraldo Rivera special. Officers from five law enforcement +agencies said they saw at least one of the two objects buzzing +their bewildered corner of Dixie. + That has led those who monitor such phenomenon to speculate +Fyffe is not crying alien. + Fred Works, the town's assistant police chief, tracked both +UFOs. The first, spotted south of the town of 1,300, had been +observed by a woman who watched for an hour before calling +police. She described the first one -- which she saw through +binoculars -- as looking like a giant, upside down banana with +red, white and green lights. + Works and Fyffe Police Chief Junior Garmany saw that object, +whose shape they could not determine, before they were diverted +by another. + The second UFO, Works said, appeared about 1,500 feet off +the ground and was traveling, he estimated, 300 to 400 mph. + He dismissed as possibilities both airplanes and helicopters +because the UFOs were silent. + "That's the biggest mystery," Works said. + Elton Roberts, a reporter with the Fort Payne, Ala., Times- +Journal, said police from Collinsville, Crossville, Geraldine and +one highway patrolman reported seeing strange objects in the sky +at the same time. + The resulting hubbub does not surprise Stan Gordon, a UFO +tracker who says unexplained sightings in Pennsylvania have +increased dramatically since 1987. + "I've been involved with this for 29 years, and we've never +been through a cycle like this," said Gordon, head of the +Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained. + "There are so many new cases now that we cannot dismiss them +easily," Gordon said. + UFOs, it seems, know no bounds. + George Fawcett, who tracks the Southeast from his North +Carolina home, recently wrote that South Carolina, "40th in size, +ranks high for the number of excellent UFO encounters the past +four decades." + Another UFO specialist, Duquesne University chemistry +professor Paul Johnson, said all the heady talk isn't cause to +run out and buy an intergalactic Gatling gun. + "About 90 percent of all UFO sightings can be explained," +Johnson said. + "Normally, people are misidentifying Jupiter, Venus, +helicopters or meteors." + But that still leaves 10 percent of reported UFO sightings +that cannot be explained, Johnson said. + Unidentified flying objects have at various times been +described as looking like hot dogs and milk saucers, suggesting +that aliens, like some of their earthly counterparts, have a +sense of humor. + "We really don't know what UFOs are," Johnson said. + "The possibility that they're extraterrestrials is more +prominent in the minds of Hollywood producers and tabloid +writers. About 80 percent of people who have sightings don't +report them because they get laughed at." + Assistant Chief Works might agree. As he fielded calls from +television stations in Huntsville and Birmingham, and newspapers +across Alabama, he acknowledged he was reluctant to talk. + "I'd just be satisfied to leave it be. If there's something +out there, they're there. I'm not gonna worry about it," Works +said. + "I'm not gonna say there are little green men running +around." + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1269.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1269.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..00ebc79c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1269.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO REPORTED BY BARBURY COUPLE: ENGLAND FILE: UFO1269 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: February 23, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Swindon Star +LOCATION: Wiltshire, England +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +UFO REPORTED BY BARBURY COUPLE + +Cr: T. Good + + More mysterious lights have been seen in the sky above +Wiltshire. + The couple who saw the latest aerial display are convinced +they were not from any aeroplane. + The latest sighting was at Barbury Castle, near Chiseldon, +late on Friday evening, Eammon Smythe, 18, says he watched the +lights for more than half an hour with his girlfriend Elizabeth +Free. + "We first saw a triangle of orange lights moving slowly low +to the ground. + "They seemed to pass behind some trees and when a car came +along they went out. + "Then they came back on, were joined by another group and +moved off towards the horizon. There was a red glow in the sky +with yellow and gold streaks." + Mr. Smyth, who lives in Wood Street, Old Town, Swindon, said +other people must have seen the lights because they were so +bright. + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1270.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1270.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..79210e1a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1270.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs RETURN TO FYFFE FILE: UFO1270 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 2, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Susan Stockman +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +Martian or Military? +UFOS RETURNED TO FYFFE FRIDAY NIGHT + +By Susan Stockman + + Residents of Fyffe don't know what it is, or where it's +coming from, but they know they are seeing something. + For the second time in as many weeks, numerous Fyffe +residents reported seeing an unidentified flying object over +their town Friday night. + The reports of 'something in the air' started around 7:30 +p.m., the same time of early night sightings on February 10 +occurred. + Most reports were of a round, bright object with red and +green flashing lights. + According to Rhonda Gibson and her sister, Jill Worley, the +object appeared to be at tree-top level when they saw it near +their home Friday night. + The sisters were returning home from Fort Payne when they +spotted the object hovering over the tree tops. + Gibson said it was 'just sitting there,' and when they saw +the object, they decided to follow it, and turned into a dirt +road to get a closer look. Worley said she had 'never seen +anything like it in her life,' and it 'scared her to death.' + According to Gibson, after watching it outsider her car for +several minutes 'it just disappeared, like turning off the lights +at a football field.' + After the object vanished, Gibson said she returned to her +car and went to her parent's home. + The sisters spotted the object again while at their parent's +home, but said it appeared to be further away in the night sky. + After checking with the Fyffe Police Department, they were +told they were not the only ones to see the craft that night. +The Fyffe Police Department received some 40 calls from residents +who saw the object. + Gibson said after the object vanished, several airplanes and +a helicopter flew directly overhead, and there were reports from +witnesses who say they saw an unusual amount of aircraft activity +in the area during the sightings, and several identified some of +the planes and helicopters as military. + According to Kathy Green, a Fyffe resident who also saw the +object, said she and friends had gathered to play cards and first +observed the object from the window of the home around 7:30 p.m. +She said the group shared binoculars and watched the object in +the cold night air until it disappeared some two hours later. + In an interview from his Arlington, Virginia home, Philip J. +Klass, an editor for Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine +for 35 years, told The Weekly Post that 99.999 percent of all UFO +sightings can be traced to a bright celestial body, such as Venus +and Mars. + Klass said the eye can be deceiving, and given the weather +conditions at the time of the sightings, the objects were +possibly Venus or Mars. Klass stated that the shapes could be +due to atmospheric distortion, and that all people have some +slight stigmatism problems with their eyes. + 'The disappearance of the object could be attributed to the +rotation of the earth, or a cloud passing over the planet,' +according to Klass. + Klass also stated that there was no way to accurately judge +the distance or size of the object, making it appear larger or +closer than it is. + However, residents of Fyffe don't believe what they saw was +a star or a planet. + All military bases, such as Fort McClellan in Anniston, +Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Fort Rucker in Fort +Benning, Georgia, and Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, told The +Weekly Post that, to their knowledge, there were no military +exercises in the north Alabama area during the time of the +sightings. + A spokesperson for the Lockheed Aircraft Plant in Marietta, +Georgia said no aircraft experiments were being conducted by +Lockheed, and the same answer was given by Marshall Space Flight +Center in Huntsville. + A check with the Federal Aeronautics Authority revealed that +no experiments took place during the sighting times, to their +knowledge. + However, a check with the National Guard in Birmingham +revealed that the airspace in north Alabama, including that above +Fyffe, is a training route for aircraft, and is utilized by the +entire Southeastern states. + The National Guard spokesperson said night training +exercises were common in the area, sometimes at an altitude of +just several hundred feet off the ground. + Although no agency would confirm the fact that military +exercises or experiments were being conducted, many Fyffe +residents believe that is what is taking place over their heads. + Investigators from the Mutual Unidentified Flying Object +Network, a national organization that tracks UFO sightings, +reportedly will be in Fyffe Friday night to ride with the Fyffe +Police in hopes of sighting the object again. + +================================================================= + +A Letter to the Editor +----------------------- + +DEAR EDITOR: + + There has been a lot of fun made of the two police officers +from Fyffe, Alabama, who saw the UFO the week of February 10th. + Now, I have never seen one myself and I have never really +paid too much attention to what I read in the papers about them. + Anything is possible in the world. I have known Junior +Garmany and his family for almost all his life, and Fred Works +for several years. If they tell that a rooster chews tobacco you +can raise up its left wing and look for its spit cup. + Besides, Junior and Fred were not the only people to observe +this UFO. Different citizens saw it. + Also, there were other officers in the area to see it but +for some reason they did not come forward with their verification +of what they saw. + I wonder why? + All these people who are throwing fun at these officers for +what they saw should be shaking their hand for making Fyffe the +UFO capital of the nation. + UFO defined does not mean they saw a flying saucer with +little green men and bulging eyes. + It means 'unidentified flying object.' To my knowledge, the +object they saw has not been identified. + At least it makes me more aware that we are under police +protection in our area. + Utmost respect to these two officers who were not too +embarrassed or afraid to come forward with what they saw. + +Billie Sibert +Fyffe, Alabama + +================================================================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1272.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1272.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..517ce107 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1272.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +SUBJECT: AP, STORY ON FYFFE FILE: UFO1272 + + +APn 03/04 1224 UFO Hoopla + +Copyright, 1989. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. + + FYFFE, Ala. (AP) -- The prospect of seeing a UFO lured more than 4,000 people +to the town of Fyffe, greatly outnumbering the town's residents. + "This is unreal," Police Chief Junior Garmany said Friday night while he +watched bumper-to-bumper traffic in the town of 1,300 people in northeastern +Alabama. "We've never had traffic like this." + Municipal Court Clerk Tammy Mitchell said Saturday the previous night's crowd +had been estimated at "4,500 or something like that." She said people were +"riding around, buying T-shirts, going to a bonfire." + But for all the hoopla, no unidentified flying objects were sighted Friday. +Visibility was obscured by clouds and light rain. + "I hope it rains tonight," Ms. Mitchell said Saturday. + Friday night's visitors drove up and down the town's main street while others +stood gaping at the sky. Fire Chief Ricky Dobbins invited some to his house on +the outskirts of the town where he built a bonfire. + Police radio dispatcher Shelia Smith said she has been answering calls from +people wanting directions to Fyffe. + Fyffe got on the UFO circuit Feb. 10 when a woman reported seeing a strange +light in the sky and police later reported seeing a large lighted object +passing silently over them. Numerous other sightings have been reported since +then. + +============================================================================ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1273.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1273.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ccb88035 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1273.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +SUBJECT: 3500 PEOPLE DESCEND ON FYFFE TO SEE NO-SHOW FILE: UFO1273 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 9, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Susan Stockman +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +3500 PEOPLE DESCEND ON FYFFE TO SEE NO-SHOW UFO + +By Susan Stockman + + FYFFE-A thousand points of light descended on Fyffe last +Friday night as people from all over the Southeastern United +States visited this small town in hopes of getting just a glimpse +of what has become known around the world at the infamous 'Fyffe +Flying Banana.' + For the most part, the UFO stalkers were disappointed, +because the only lights to be found in Fyffe on this cloudy night +were those from the magnitude of vehicles roaming the highways +and byways. + While the estimated 7,000 eyes of the 3,500 people in Fyffe +were focused on the horizon Friday night, unofficial reports came +in that the craft was sighted in the sky between Macedonia and +Grove Oak around 9:00 p.m. that night. + A traffic jam in the middle of town was the most exciting +event that took place all night, and most of the side roads +looked like a lover's lane, with cars parked on the sides and +necks stuck out the windows--watching and waiting. + They came in cars, vans, campers and trucks, armed with +cameras, binoculars, blankets and thermos bottles of coffee, all +on the same mission--to see the mysterious, flashing object that +has been roaming the night skies of Fyffe for the past month. + A bonfire was built on the edge of town to lure the +visitors, both from this world and, perhaps, beyond. + Antenna's were pointed at the sky as television stations +broadcasted their nightly news programs from this small town. + Media descended on the town like locusts, interviewing +everyone that had an opinion of what was in the sky--and there +wasn't anyone who was in Fyffe that didn't have an opinion. + Fire trucks were moved out of the fire station to make room +for a vendor to set up tables to sell air brushed T-shirts that +said, "I survived the Sand Mountain UFO." + UFO seekers ran the gamut from babies blanketed in mothers' +arms, to teenagers cruising with radios blasting, to someone's +grandmother who said she had had an experience with a UFO some +years back. + Fyffe has received worldwide attention in recent weeks, +after the first sightings of a 'banana-shaped' object hovering +over the area was sited by Donna Saylor of Grove Oak on February +10. Since the first sightings, many more have been reported, but +the description differed somewhat from the original banana shaped +object. + Representatives of the Mutual Unidentified Flying Object +Network (MUFON), an international research group involved with +UFO studies, were also in Fyffe Friday night, and there were +unconfirmed reports of FBI agents and Air Force investigators in +town. + Fyffe has been the subject of numerous newspaper articles +and national news stories such as 'Inside Edition,' who aired a +somewhat comical report of the sightings. + But the residents of Fyffe who saw the mysterious craft +don't find anything comical about the sightings. They just want +to know what it is, and they continue to search the night skies +for another glimpse of the craft, waiting for someone to come +forth with information to identify the object. + With the party atmosphere that prevailed in Fyffe Friday +night, the UFO could have, in all probability, landed on the +outskirts of town and no one would have seen it--the people were +just too busy searching the skies. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1274.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1274.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bc2d1320 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1274.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTINGS GENERATE ZANY REPORTS FILE: UFO1274 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 8, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Times Journal +LOCATION: Fort Payne, Alabama +BYLINE: Dennis Benefield +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +TABLOID REPORTS LIBERACE SEEN IN FYFFE UFO + +UFO SIGHTINGS GENERATE ZANY REPORTS + +By Dennis Benefield +The Times Journal Managing Editor + + A British tabloid reported Tuesday that residents of Fyffe, +Alabama, saw entertainer Liberace descend from an unidentified +flying object and perform Hollywood showtunes on a floating +piano. + A physician in Kansas claims that extraterrestrials say UFO +sightings will in Alabama. + And a New York resident believes that UFO sightings are +actually alien spacecraft. + Those are among the more bizarre reports sparked by a series +of UFO sightings near Fyffe that began on February 10th. + Fyffe policeman Fred Works was interviewed by the BBC -- the +British Broadcasting Company -- on Tuesday. Such interviews are +routine since he reported seeing a UFO. + "It does get wild sometimes," Works said. In between phone +calls, he scheduled two television interviews Tuesday. + "I stay on the phone all the time when I come into the +office," he said. "I try to talk to anybody if they are serious. +I hate to refuse to talk to people." + What Works and fellow Fyffe police officer Junior Garmany +saw Feb. 10 remains unexplained. Both watched a large object fly +over them. It had lights on it and did not make any sound. + "It was huge and it was moving on," Works said. "It passed +over our heads and we watched it go out of sight. But there was +no noise. That is what surprised me." + Others in the area reported similar unexplained sightings +that night and on subsequent nights. + Since then the town has become a popular place on Friday +nights, as sightseers come to watch the skies. + Newspaper, radio, television and magazine reporters are also +interested in Fyffe, seeking out anyone who might have seen +something. Some reports exaggerate the sightings and many are +unflattering to the rural south. + Works was particularly disappointed with a TV report on the +nationally syndicated show "Inside Edition," which aired last +week. + The crew had Works and Garmany re-enact a reported sighting. +But the video was fastforwarded during the report, which showed +the officers racing off with blue lights flashing in pursuit of a +UFO. + But other reports are even more zany. + A British tabloid, The Daily Star, had a half page article +on the Fyffe UFOs in its March 7 edition. + The paper reported that thousands were flocking to the "tiny +town of Fyffe, Alabama" in hopes of seeing the late entertainer +Liberace. + The tabloid reported that residents of Fyffe had seen +Liberace, dressed in a "sparkling gold lame suit," descend from a +movable staircase and perform "Singing in the Rain," and "Laura's +Theme" on a floating piano. + "He had a lovely, serene smile," the paper reported, and +"flexed his long, bony" fingers at Fyffe residents. A BBC +spokesman said the report was not taken seriously by British +readers. + Works doesn't take such reports seriously either. + But the calls do disrupt the routine at Fyffe City Hall. +"When we`re not here the ladies in the office have to take +messages," Works said, adding that the callers "will talk to +anybody," whether they have seen a UFO or not. + The result, according to Vicki Cooper, of UFO Magazine, is +that rumors and hype get confused with fact. She said her +magazine attempts to take a serious look at sightings. She said +sighting reports were accelerating nationwide. "This is not just +an isolated case," she said. + She said it may be coincidence, but sightings increase when +the economy worsens or in times of national crisis. She said +that most sightings remain unexplained. + Works would like an explanation of what he saw. But he +knows it was not Liberace. "It was really Elvis," he said. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1275.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1275.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5350610c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1275.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +SUBJECT: SECTION NATIVE SAYS UFOs ARE REAL FILE: UFO1275 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 9, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Susan Stockman +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +SECTION NATIVE SAYS UFOS ARE REAL + +By Susan Stockman + + Unidentified flying objects. UFOs. Are they spaceships +from other worlds traveling through our galaxy, or are they +something else? + We cannot escape our own solar system. Our technology has +placed man no further out than the moon. + If we can't travel to them, can they be coming to us? + The American government says no, that its physically +impossible. + But some people believe that a higher intelligence from a +planet far beyond our own galaxy has mastered a technology that +makes it possible for them to do things that we can only dream +of. + They believe that these beings are penetrating the galactic +mist that shrouds and protects our planet. Some believe that +these extraterrestrials' technology is so advanced that they +might have visited us long before the birth of Christ. + The book Ezekiel makes mention of a wheel inside a wheel, +floating in the air over the river Che'-bar, and some believe +the wheel-like object was a UFO. + According to one man from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who was in +Fyffe last Friday night, there is definitely intelligent life +forms on other planets beyond the galaxy we know as the Milky +Way. + Phillip Griffin, a native of the Section area, said he was +in Fyffe Friday night to 'observe the people's reaction to the +mysterious object that has been sighted in the area during the +past month.' + Griffin, commenting on the Fyffe sightings, said, 'These +sightings are similar to the ones that have been going on in Gulf +Breeze for the past year.' + Gulf Breeze, Florida, was recently featured on a national +documentary program concerning numerous UFO sightings. No +explanation has yet been given for these sightings either. + According to Griffin, 'The sightings in Fyffe and Gulf +Breeze are related, and the people in both towns have nothing to +fear from the visitors. The people are simply being observed for +their reactions to the visitors. The people are simply being +observed for their reactions to the visitors from other +galaxies.' + Griffin feels that the reason the extraterrestrials chose to +visit Fyffe is because 'Fyffe is in the middle of the Bible Belt, +the residents are hard-working country people. On the other end +of the spectrum, the residents of Gulf Breeze are among some of +the richest in Florida.' + Griffin says his theory is based on fact, but would not +elaborate on where he obtained his facts. + He says he believes the Fyffe sightings will last little +more than a week and a half (from last Friday night), then they +will stop. + When asked what he based his opinions on, he said, 'It's a +feeling I have, akin to a sixth sense, and I haven't been +mistaken in the feelings I've had about the Gulf Breeze sightings +in the past year and a half.' + As of yet, no one who claimed they saw the Fyffe UFOs have +come forth with photos of what they saw, unlike the Gulf Breeze +sightings, where photos do exist. + Griffin says that he has seen the photos, and according to +leading photography experts, they are not hoaxes. + When asked if he believed if people on Earth could accept +the fact there is intelligent life forms from other galaxies, +Griffin said, 'I feel they really have no choice. Humans have a +difficult time comprehending what they can't see or verify for +themselves. But people believe in God and the Bible, even though +God is not visible to them in a form they can see, because they +have been taught to believe in God.' + Griffin believes that his theory is the theory of most +people, if they would just admit it. But that society prevents +the general population from admitting that they do, in fact, +believe that the planet Earth has been visited by intelligent +life from another galaxy. + If intelligent life does, in fact, exist in another galaxy, +and if that life form is advanced to the point that they can +travel light years to visit Earth, one must wonder what the +people of Earth could learn from these extraterrestrials. +Perhaps how to obtain world peace without the need for nuclear +arms, or perhaps how to cure some of the most dreaded diseases +known to man. + The possibilities are endless, and are limited only by the +human mind. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1276.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1276.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..14a48190 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1276.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,162 @@ +SUBJECT: WOMAN SAYS CLOSE ENCOUNTER LEFT SCARS FILE: UFO1276 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 15, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Post-Herald +LOCATION: Birmingham, Alabama +BYLINE: Kathy Kemp +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +WOMAN'S CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH UFO LEFT LASTING SCARS + +By Kathy Kemp +Post-Herald Reporter + +Cr: L. Phillips + + LINCOLN--Betty Cash thought the world was coming to an end. + In the Bible, she knew, it was written that a great flame +would destroy the Earth. And all she could see as she stood on +that lonely stretch of Texas road and stared toward the heavens +was scorching ball of fire. + "It lit up the sky like it was daylight," Mrs. Cash says, +sitting in the den of her sunny mobile home on Lake Logan Martin +in rural Talladega County. + "That's the first thing that came into our minds, that the +world was ending. That thing was so bright, it took us a while +to get our sight to where we could see it was actually an object. + "I have never been so terrified. All we could think of was +how are we going to get out of here without being burned alive." + Eight years have passed since Mrs. Cash--along with her +friend Vickie Landrum and Mrs. Landrum's grandson, Colby-- +confronted what they thought was the apocalypse. + The group had gone out the night of Dec. 29, 1980, in search +of a bingo game, forgetting that the halls would be closed for +the Christmas holidays. They were returning to their homes in +Dayton, Texas, on a deserted stretch of road near New Caney when +they had what UFO researchers would later refer to as a close +encounter of the second kind. + After their eyes had adjusted to the ball of fire, the women +and the young boy began to make out a diamond shaped object that +was spitting flames toward the ground. As the flames shot out, +they could hear a whooshing sound, and the object--which Mrs. +Cash says was about the size of a country water tower--would rise +a bit higher in the sky. + Later, while she lay in a hospital bed with burns and what +appeared to be radiation poisoning, Mrs. Cash would tell a +fantastic tale. Mrs. Landrum and Colby, who were treated for +similar symptoms, would confirm her story. + They said that 23 helicopters--the sophisticated double +rotary models that they later identified as CH-47 chinooks--were +flying around the fiery object, as if they were trying to either +pull or escort it to another location. + They said that although the temperature at the time was in +the 40's, their car got so hot that Mrs. Cash had to use her +leather jacket like a potholder as she opened the driver's door +to get back in. An indentation in the dashboard of Mrs. Cash's +1980 navy blue Cutlass is actually the handprint of Mrs. Landrum, +who rested her palm on the dash as she stared out the windshield, +they said. + Since then, both women have developed numerous health +problems, and Mrs. Landrum's grandson has shown signs of +emotional distress. Mrs. Cash said she was in the hospital for +six weeks with blisters, burns, headaches, vomiting and diarrhea, +and she has photographs of herself that show great clumps of hair +missing from her scalp. + Mrs. Cash, who grew up in Birmingham and had lived in Texas +30 years, returned to Alabama in early 1981 to live with her +mother, who provided the nursing the hospital told her she +needed. Divorced from her first husband in 1979, Mrs. Cash +married again several years ago and moved into the mobile home by +the lake. + Although many have dismissed their experience as imaginary, +Mrs. Cash and the Landrums have a strong ally in the Texas based +Mutual UFO Network, a international non profit organization that +investigates and documents UFO sightings. + "As far as I'm concerned, it's one of the most spectacular +cases I've ever seen," says John Schuessler, a Houston engineer +and MUFON deputy directory. Schuessler, who has been with MUFON +since the late 1960s, investigated the Cash-Landrum case shortly +after it happened and has followed it ever since. + "It's a very real situation. Something happened to them. +They were mistreated by some kind of object. You can call it a +UFO. That doesn't mean it was from outer space. + "Whatever it was, I'm convinced that their health state +changed drastically right after it happened. I have doctor's +statements confirming (Mrs. Cash's) burns. And we also had a +number of people in the area who saw what they saw, only not so +close." + Convinced that the fiery object was something the United +States military was moving from one location to another, Mrs. +Cash and the Landrums filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against +the government. A Texas judge refused to hear the case, but the +women haven't stopped trying to get their story told in either a +courtroom or--better yet, they believe--a congressional hearing. + Encouraged by MUFON and Schuessler, Mrs. Cash has written +dozens of letters--mostly to government agencies and politicians, +who thus far have been able to offer little more than sympathy. +The government has denied any knowledge of the incident Mrs. Cash +has described. Schuessler says MUFON investigators weren't able +to find any military personnel who would acknowledge that a group +of helicopters was in the area that night in 1980. + Most recently, Mrs. Cash has been writing to U.S. Sen. +Howell Heflin, D-Ala. In a letter dated Jan. 31, Heflin told +Mrs. Cash that he has contacted the U.S. Department of Defense +and asked for an investigation of Mrs. Cash's claims and a full +report. + "I honestly don't think we'll have to go back to court," she +says. "I think the government's going to break down and do +something." + In the meantime, she and Mrs. Landrum, who still lives in +Texas, continue to talk publicly about their experience. +Articles about their ordeal have appeared in newspapers and +magazines around the world. Several television shows have +featured them, including "That's Incredible," "Good Morning, +America" and a syndicated special called "UFO Coverup." In the +latter show, which aired last year, two other participants whose +identities were concealed said they worked for the government and +that the Cash-Landrum incident was a top secret maneuver in which +the U.S. military was transporting the alien craft. + Mrs. Cash says she isn't convinced that what she saw came +from another planet. She believes the diamond shaped object was +a military project--perhaps a nuclear powered torch designed to +light up a modern day battlefield, as one MUFON investigator has +suggested. + If the government was responsible, Mrs. Cash says, it should +have to pay her medical bills. Since the incident, she developed +breast cancer that required mastectomy, and she still has bouts +with diarrhea, headaches and stomach cramps, she says. + MUFON's Schuessler believes Mrs. Cash may never learn what +happened that night. + "It had to be something very unusual," he says. "It burned +the road below, and it burned the trees. My personal theory is +that it was some kind of helicopter unit, like the one in Iran, +when they attempted to rescue the hostages." + Mrs. Cash, 60, says she won't give up until someone in +Washington gives her some answers. + "Before 1980, when I heard somebody talk about UFOs, I'd +laugh about it," she says. "I'd think, 'Boy, these people are +ready for the little men in the white coats.' + "But honey, this made a believer out of me." + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1277.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1277.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8a306543 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1277.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +SUBJECT: SOME SAY UFO IS AS BIG AS FOOTBALL FIELD FILE: UFO1277 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +SOME SAY UFO IS AS BIG AS A FOOTBALL FIELD + + FYFFE-While sightings of the mysterious object in the night +skies over the Fyffe area continue, the occasional television +crew, armed with camera, lights and microphones, wander into +town, eager to talk with someone who has seen the hovering +object. + Telephone calls from across the United States come daily to +the Fyffe Police Department from newspapers, and television and +radio stations wanting to know the most recent developments in +the as-of-yet unexplained sightings. + Portable signs advertise UFO specials at Fyffe restaurants, +and last Friday night an estimated 2,000 people flocked to Fyffe +to try to see the flashing red and green object. + Sightings were reported in Fyffe and several surrounding +communities each night last week, and a news crew from Mobile +spent the night in Fyffe last Thursday night, doing live +broadcasts over the radio. + Jeff Ballard, area director of MUFON, said that while some +of the sightings that have been reported are legitimate, he feels +that perhaps some of them have been aircraft, and some have been +planets or stars that appear to be giving off red and green +lights. + Some of the reports checked out by the police department +were determined to be stars. + However, one of the most recent sightings took place Sunday +night, near Geraldine. A simultaneous sighting of an extremely +large object occured at 7:30 p.m. + According to Gary Coker of Skirum, an extremely large object +with red and green flashing lights on the side and two white +lights approximately six feet in diameter on the bottom hovered +some five miles away. + Coker said he sent someone in the house for his binoculars, +and in the seconds it took the person to return with them, the +object vanished. "I never took my eyes off the object, and it +just disappeared," said Coker. + At exactly the same time Coker viewed the object, another +man five miles away, who at this time wishes to remain anonymous, +said an object the size of a football field hovered over his +chicken house. He said it had two white lights underneath, each +the size of a small house, and red and green lights outlined the +sides. + He went into his house to get a camera and when he came out +it had vanished. The man said the object was close enough for +him to distinguish the color of the object, and he described it +as being a metallic blue that probably would not have been +visible against the night sky without the huge lights. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1278.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1278.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fb392c86 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1278.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +SUBJECT: HOW FYFFE SIGHTINGS HAVE AFFECTED PEOPLE FILE: UFO1278 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Susan Stockman +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +HOW THE UFO SIGHTINGS HAVE AFFECTED SOME PEOPLE + +A FIRST HAND GLIMPSE OF THE UFO + +By Susan Stockman + + RAINSVILLE-Up until this past week, I had only a reporters' +interest in the UFO sightings which have taken place in and +around Fyffe. + I reported the stories and events, took pictures and talked +with people who had actually spotted the object. I made phone +calls to various military bases, talked to the world's leading +skeptic on the UFO phenomenon and interviewed a person who +believed he had actually had an encounter with an alien +spaceship, not this time around, but previously. + All this was done strictly as part of my job as a reporter +for the Weekly Post. I had no personal interest. I believed the +people who had sighted objects were actually seeing something, I +just didn't know what. + My business interest suddenly changed to a more personal +nature Wednesday night, March 8, when I saw the object that has +received so much attention. As a bad as they were, I made some +pictures. + As I got a small taste of what others had been getting a +large dose of, my curiosity of the object grew. + That next night Teri Baker, co-owner and general manager of +the Weekly Post, and I decided to go back to Fyffe in hopes of +getting better pictures. That was, if the object decided to +reappear. + We were fortunate enough, and I use the word fortunate +literally, to see the object again. Teri made a series of +pictures of the movement of the object, and, just for reference, +made a picture of an airplane using the same photographic +techniques. That set of pictures appear in today's edition of +the Weekly Post. + We still do not know what the object is but we do know that +it doesn't move like any airplane we, or anyone else we have +talked to, knows about. + Teri's pictures were made with a Canon 35mm camera, shot +with the shutter wide open and a two-minute exposure time to +allow enough lights in for the horizon to be visible. + The pictures show the object moving slightly in that two +minute time span. They also show the airplane to have moved +about 10 times as far. One thing I need to mention is the fact +that there was only a silver of a moon out that night. The +pictures show what seems to be a full moon, but that is only the +result of the time-lapse photography. + When word of the photographs spread, the media descended on +us like people trailing into Fyffe on a Friday night. We were +literally besieged by television stations, radio stations and +newspapers from all across the country. We didn't tell a soul +that we had made the pictures. We still don't know how they +found out. They were calling Teri at 7:30 the next morning, +wanting interviews or copies of the pictures. + After a full week of doing interviews with those news crews, +both local and national, and talking to what seemed like a half +million interested individuals, both in person and on the phone, +I wondered what was the reaction of the other people who had +sighted the object. + I talked to as many of them as I could round up Monday and +Tuesday. Most said the same thing. That they were constantly +dealing with reporters looking for a story, just like I was in +the beginning. + Although many residents have reported sightings, the ones +who have received the most attention are Donna Saylor, Kathy +Green, Jill Worley, her sister Rhonda Gipson, Fyffe Police Chief +Junior Garmany and assistant chief Fred Works. + I tried to call each of them to see what effect this event +has had on their day-to-day lives. + Saylor said, "There are a lot of interruptions in my day by +the press. I have had calls from as far away as England. I +really don't mind talking to the people, but when the people from +'Inside Edition' aired the program like they did, I was really +put out, I gave those people four hours of my time and it was +wasted. After the show aired, I decided not to do any more +interviews." + Saylor said the only thing she regretted was using the +description "it was curved like a banana." She said if she had +it to do over again, she would have used another description of +the object. + Kathy Green said the only change in her day-to-day routine +was that people were always asking her what it is like and how +she felt when she saw the UFO. + "I really don't find it a bother to talk to these people. +It's exciting. Life really hasn't changed much around here +except that I am now more aware of what's up in the sky," Green +said. + Fyffe assistant police chief Fred Works indicated that the +"only way it has affected my life is my job. I have to talk to a +lot more people now than I did before." + Fyffe Police Chief Junior Garmany said, "Basically, it goes +with this line of work. We are always dealing with the media. +But, this has been slightly out of the normal. We're just +sitting back and waiting for things to get back to normal." + I could not reach Jill Worley or her sister Rhonda Gipson. + As for Teri and myself, it is getting a little easier to go +about our day-to-day activities. Friday, we could not even work +for having to answer the telephone or talk to news crews. + It has been a learning experience for me. Being a +reporter, I am accustomed to asking the questions and doing the +interviewing. It has been difficult to be the one interviewed. + All the people I talked to who reported the sightings agree +on one thing. that given the same set of circumstances, we would +have spoken out about what we saw. + The people have the right to know what is going on in the +sky above. Now, if we just knew. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1279.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1279.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..812e5e01 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1279.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +SUBJECT: SAND MOUNTAIN TALES FILE: UFO1279 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Weekly Post +LOCATION: Rainsville, Alabama +BYLINE: Ellarie Martin +======================================================== +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +======================================================== + +SAND MOUNTAIN TALES + +By Ellarie Martin + + Speaking of weirdos, all the excitement about the UFOs +reminded me. About eight years ago when we were still in +Florida, James and a man he worked with on the ranch were coming +into the ranch from the hard road and looked up and saw a huge +round 'saucer' just sitting up over the ranch. They sat there +and looked at it for a long time before it took off. And shortly +after that one evening, I looked up and saw a bright light +streaking across the sky in a zigzag pattern that was not like +any star or airplane I'd ever seen. + About 34 years ago, my sister lived in Pensacola just off +the air base where her husband was stationed. She said she woke +up one night and saw a bright light that lit up the whole area. +Going to the window, she looked up in the sky over the base and +saw a cigar shaped UFO with the lights going around it and stood +and watched it for a long time before going back to bed. The +next night the same thing happened and the third night it +happened again. Only that time she woke her husband up and +showed it to him. He called the officer of the day and reported +it to him and was told there was nothing there to be concerned +with, and was later told it was just his imagination. + Silly? Yes, but our government has consistently refused to +acknowledge the presence of these strange vehicles. + I am so interested that I keep hoping one of them will come +and ask me to visit with them in their machine. I'd go, buddy!!! + I am sorry people want to shoot them down and hurt them. It +is the typical reaction to something not understood. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1280.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1280.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..401d09c7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1280.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO SIGHTED NEAR HAINES, OREGON FILE: UFO1280 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 16, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Record-Courier +LOCATION: Baker, Oregon +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +UFO SIGHTED NEAR HAINES? + + Angela Legett, age 12, Haines, reported to the state police +seeing a "huge" object, saucer shaped with red and green +flashing lights, hovering off the ground. + The object, sighted last Thursday, March 9, was reportedly +less than one quarter mile from her. She watched it for two +or three minutes before going to get her parents to see it, but +it had disappeared before she and her parents could return. + In relation to its size, Angela stated that she thought it +was larger than a football field. + The following morning, her grandmother, Mrs. Dorris Legett, +reported that at approximately 6:00 a.m., she observed a flash of +bright light. She was in her bedroom at the time, with the +blinds down, and thought at first that it was the headlights from +a car. + The light was seen in the same direction as the UFO that was +originally seen by Angela, the police report stated. + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1281.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1281.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..efe342cb --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1281.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +SUBJECT: WOMAN & DOCTOR CERTAIN OF ALIEN VISIT FILE: UFO1281 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 17, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Daily News +LOCATION: Hays, Kansas +BYLINE: R.E. Ramcharan +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +SKEPTICS ASIDE, RUSSELL WOMAN, OTTAWA DOCTOR CERTAIN OF ALIEN +VISITS + +By R.E. Ramcharan +Hays Daily News + + RUSSELL--Exactly what several dozen citizens saw or hoped to +see in the night sky over Russell County Feb. 24 may never be +known for certain. + What is known is that one woman claims to have been invited +aboard alien ships on several occasions, and several people claim +to have been followed or chased by unidentified flying objects. + In a story published that day in the Russell Daily News, +Donna Butts, 36, Russell, said that large numbers of alien +spaceships would appear in the sky after dark "so people will +know they are here, and that they do exist." + In fact, according to Russell Daily News reporter Irene +Jepsen, nothing happened. Jepsen and three friends spent much of +that night driving around Russell County, watching for the ships. +She saw "a lot of activity." + But, she added, "I did not at any time think they were +anything but ordinary aircraft." + Several people called her after that night with accounts of +UFO sightings, including one man who said he was sitting in a +pickup with his wife and children in a field north of the city. +Jepsen said he claimed that at about 9:45 p.m. a cluster of +lights came out of a gully and headed for the truck. When he +turned on his headlights, the apparition vanished. + The next day, Jepsen said, "I did go to the area and there +was nothing to see. As far as marks on the ground, there was +nothing." + Another woman claimed that she had seen a UFO near the +Pioneer exit, about 5 miles east of here, Jepsen said. That UFO +was described as a "strobe light" traveling northwest. + None of these people are willing to say publicly who they +are and what they saw. Nor has anyone called Russell County +Sheriff Robert L. Balloun. + Balloun said he was aware of the rumored sightings, but, he +said, "We haven't had any reports of anything unusual in the +county at all. It's been pretty quiet; we'd like to keep it that +way. + "I did have a deputy out that night and he didn't see +anything at all. Apparently some people can see it and some +people can't." + That so many people claim to have seen UFOs does not +surprise Philip Klass, a contributing editor to Aviation Week and +Space Technology magazine and a member of the Committee for +Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal. + "There is a psychological impact," Klass said in a telephone +interview from his home in Washington. "I have often said that +if I could get the Washington Post to publish a story that UFOs +had been sighted over Washington, I can guarantee that 20 or 30 +people will call in the next day to report that they, too, have +seen it. + "Some of them may really have seen something--others, sort +of a 'me, too' effect. If the Post, or any newspaper, follows up +with another story saying UFOs have been sighted over Washington +or Hays or wherever again last night, then more people, again, +not kooks, but just curious people, will go out looking." + In 22 years of investigating UFO reports, Klass said, he has +yet to find one whose explanation was aliens from another planet. + "Any person who will stand outside at night on a clear night +for two or three hours, I can guarantee they will see something +they cannot identify or explain. It may be a meteor fireball. +It may be reentering space debris. It may be an advertising +airplane. It may be a (Strategic Air Command) aircraft engaged +in refueling maneuvers." + Butts was one of two people quoted in the Dec. 13, 1988, +edition of the grocery store tabloid Weekly World News. "They're +coming! Space alien invasion only three years away, says top UFO +expert," read the headline. + A recent issue of the newspaper featured the headline, +"Space alien baby found on Mt. Everest" on the front page. + In the December story, Butts was quoted as saying she had +been in contact with the aliens since 1984 and that the visits +were connected with prophecies scattered throughout the Bible. + She refuses to meet with reporters, but in a telephone +interview she said that she had been receiving messages from an +alien named Peter or Cephas. + "Peter called himself a multidimensional being," she said. +She described him as being 6 feet tall, with silver hair and blue +eyes, about 60 years old--"nice build, not great, but nice." + On several occasions, she said she had been invited aboard +the alien's spaceships. + "They take hold of you, and they have this little black box +on the right side of their belt. Then they push a couple of +buttons and next thing you know, you're aboard the ship." + Once aboard, she said, the aliens told her about future +events, among them an impending collapse of the Bush +administration that would result in Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., +becoming the next president. + Klass was skeptical. + "See if you can find out what horse is going to run first at +Hialeah tomorrow," he said. + Also quoted in the Weekly World News was Ottawa physician +Scott Corder. In a telephone interview, he said Peter was an +"Amorcan," one of 70 species of aliens now visiting Earth. They +came to Russell, he said, because it is the focal point of a +"transmutational channel" that covers much of Kansas. + "It's some kind of an entry point that has to do with +electromagnetic fields that allows them to gain entry to our +plane of existence," he said. + "They want to focus some attention to that area, because +it`s significant to them for prophecy." + The prophecies are scattered throughout the Bible, Corder +said. Many are connected with the Book of Revelation and deal +with the end of the world. + Corder added that Peter/Cephas is the same person as the +apostle, Saint Peter. + Monday, the state Board of Healing Arts suspended Corder's +license to practice medicine for his public statements about the +aliens. + Ted Schultz, a writer on unconventional beliefs, is familiar +with similar accounts. His book, "The Fringes of Reason," +examines a number of fringe social phenomena, including flying +saucer religions. + "It's interesting that this case combines both things--the +classic '50's contactee and the abduction," he said. + During the 1950s, people claimed to have been contacted by +alien beings, often with predictions of future events or messages +for the rest of the world. + "It's hard to take any particular one at face value," he +said. "It seems to me that, as far as the question of whether to +actually believe them or not, the fact that hundreds of these +predictions that have never come true works against it." + Abduction, the notion that people are kidnapped by aliens, +has been around almost since the first science fiction novels. A +ghoulish twist, that the aliens conduct experiments on their +prisoners, surfaced in 1968 with John Fuller's book, "Interrupted +Journey." Similar accounts have recently been on the best seller +lists. + "Now it's a big thing," Schultz said. "It tells you +something about human nature and the human mind, a lot more than +it tells you about visitors from outer space." + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. 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Good + + A few handfuls of soil and tree bark could soon prove once +and for all that alien creatures are trying to visit Planet Earth +(quite why is another matter). + They were collected by Eric Morris, one of the North West's +top UFO investigators, from a sight near Newquay, Cornwall, four +years ago, soon after a strange craft is alleged to have crash +landed close to an RAF base. + Morris, aged 35, from Crewe, returned to the area a week ago +to find the location razed of almost every natural and man made +contour, including a picturesque cottage. + Sensing a conspiracy he now plans to have the sods he +thoughtfully saved from the alleged point of touchdown analyzed +this weekend by a leading botanist at Sheffield University. + He said: "The case bears remarkable similarities to an +incident near the USAF base at Bentwaters in Suffolk in 1980 when +we believe American servicemen and Ministry of Defense officials +totally cleared an area shortly after what people say was a space +ship came down." + Morris has also made a video of the sci-fi puzzle which he +is hawking around television producers. + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1283.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1283.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..912e42b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1283.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +SUBJECT: WHAT WAS THAT ? FILE: UFO1283 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 1, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Advocate +LOCATION: Eden Hope, Victoria, Australia +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +WHAT WAS THAT? + + A representative of the Victorian UFO Research Society will +visit the Benayeo area this week to investigate a UFO sighting +after Mrs. Nella Williams told the "Advocate" on Saturday morning +that on leaving her house at 7:15 a.m., that morning, she has +seen high in the sky a large oblong object which remained +stationery fro about five minutes. + She reported that the object was very bright and shiny, with +a dome shape at the rear end, and it disappeared without any +apparent movement--"There one moment and gone the next," she +said. + The "Advocate" spoke to the Defense Department and then the +UFO Research people, who said the daylight sighting and +description is very unusual and bears further investigation. + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1284.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1284.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6cc10fc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1284.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +SUBJECT: TAPE REVEALS IMAGE OVER OAK HARBOR SKYLINE FILE: UFO1284 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 24, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Skagit Valley Herald +LOCATION: Mount Vernon, Washington +BYLINE: Mary Barouh +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +UFO? TAPE REVEALS IMAGE OVER OAK HARBOR SKYLINE + +By Mary Barouh +Staff Writer + + OAK HARBOR--It wasn't until 16 year old Alfred Chan watched +his videotape that he saw a barely discernible object hurtling +over the roof tops of the city. + Was it a bird? Was it a plane? + While others who have seen the tape are skeptical, Chan, a +sophomore at Oak Harbor High School, thinks the object might be a +UFO. + "I'm glad to have evidence, because I know there is +something out there," Chan said. + He said he knows his story will be greeted with disbelief, +but he prefers to let people know apparent phenomena from outer +space "can be seen anywhere, even in daylight. And it doesn't +have to be in the deserts of Arizona." + Chan is a member of the ROTC Drill Team at school, and in +his spare time plays basketball and football. He also seeks +information about UFOs in television documentaries and discounts +science fiction movies as "silly." + His father, Dominic, a retired Navy Petty Officer, said he +can't find any logical explanation for the mysterious object and +is willing to believe it's a UFO. + Anyway, "people see what they want to see," when looking at +the tape, he commented on whether viewers are willing to believe +its an object from another world. + The tape shows a small dark object in the lower corner of +the screen that rapidly disappears. Then through the clouds, the +light seems to reflect off the classic shape of a flying saucer, +the type depicted in 1950s science fiction movies. + The whole shadowy scene takes a matter of seconds on the +screen. + Chan captured the unknown shape in the view finder of the +family's new video camera on the afternoon of March 9 at their +Oak Harbor home. He said he was shooting from inside the house +through a window. + He focused the camera on golden clouds to the east and then +panned to other parts of the skyline. Then he played the film to +see how well the camera had performed. + That's when he saw "something there," he said. + Chan called his parents and they agreed there was definitely +something strange about the shape that came and went. + Whether the faint object on the tape is merely a trick of +light, a quirk in the tape or a sighting of a UFO remains to be +seen. + After realizing the tape contained something unusual, +Dominic Chan said like many other people he didn't know what to +do about a possible UFO. + He took the tape to the Oak Harbor Police. + Sgt. Rick Wallace said he couldn't discern clearly the +outline of the object, "but there seemed to be something moving +in the clouds." + Wallace said he has no expertise in identifying this type of +phenomena. + "It could have been something on the tape or the fact the +camera was moving about quite a bit," Wallace said. + Chan also called Whidbey Island Naval Air Station and was +told the base wasn't conducting air operations in the area that +day. + "The Navy doesn't have anything that can do the type of +maneuvers depicted on the tape," said Navy spokesman Howard +Thomas, who has viewed the tape. + "The Navy essentially doesn't have the resources locally to +technically evaluate the tape," he added. + The Air Force used to collect this type of data, but now +refers calls to the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle. + The Chans are now waiting to see if a photo taken of the +images on the TV screen will be clear enough to send for +identification at the center. They decided against sending a +copy of the video. + The volunteer organization has optics experts who can help +identify if a sighting is a "natural or man made phenomena or a +UFO," said Director Robert Gribble. + "The center deals with all sightings in North America," +Gribble said. + The number of calls varies considerably, "but now the center +is handling six per day which is considered slow," Gribble added. + Gribble said that after investigation, "only about 8 to 10 +percent of the reports are classified as UFOs." + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1285.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1285.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..dec7bee3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1285.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +SUBJECT: ATC, FAA AT ODDS ON UFOs FILE: UFO1285 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 26, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Rocky Mountain News +LOCATION: Denver, Colorado +BYLINE: Kris Newcomer +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, FAA AT ODDS ON UFOS + +By Kris Newcomer +Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer + + The government is blaming a power outage, but some air +traffic controllers say that's not what caused apparent UFOs to +appear on radar at the Denver Air Route Traffic Control Center in +Longmont. + "These unidentified targets looked like actual aircraft, +with apparently normal speeds and altitudes," said air traffic +controller Kevin Cain. + In comments released Friday, Cain said the UFO incident +occurred Tuesday--luckily at a slow time of day. The Longmont +center controls aircraft flying across Colorado and Wyoming and +parts of five other states. + During the incidents, Cain wrote that "some controllers had +a dozen or more of these targets merging with actual aircraft +targets over a half hour period." + Mitch Baker, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation +Administration, said the problem was traced to a damaged +component in the center's computer system. He theorized that the +damage was caused by a commercial power outage in Grand Junction +the day before false targets started appearing on Longmont radar +screens. + But Cain said he doesn't blame the power outage. + Cain said he believes "the new computer just went haywire +for that period of time." + Neither official so much as hinted that the blips on +Longmont radar screens were representative of unidentified +objects. + The FAA is sticking with the power outage theory, Barker +said. + "Yes, I'm sure," he said. + "I'm not saying that's the official explanation. I mean, +you can never say 'definitely,'" he said. + "Of course, I can't swear on the Bible or anything. But, +I'm sure." + +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Associated Press contributed to this report. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1286.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1286.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ba829eeb --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1286.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +SUBJECT: VALLEY PEOPLE SHARE CLOSE ENCOUNTERS FILE: UFO1286 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: March 5, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: News Tribune +LOCATION: Tempe, Arizona +BYLINE: Bill Roberts +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +VALLEY RESIDENTS SHARE CLOSE ENCOUNTERS WITH UFOS + +First of two parts + +By Bill Roberts +Tribune writer + + Are unidentified flying objects simply the bogy that lives +within each of us? The one that believes something dark and evil +waits beneath the bed at night? That suggests the sounds outside +are more than leaves whipped by a midnight storm? That envisions +the tree itself, given the proper moonlight and blackness, as a +gnarled, shriveled body with a soul all it's own? + Or are UFOs real? Do saucerians far beyond our earthly +mental abilities study us as we do monkeys at the zoo? Do they +walk among us? Or attempt to communicate? Or occasionally steal +us in the night? + If there is a line between such neatly opposing viewpoints, +then the stories that follow almost surely grow from it. They +come from reputable people--and more of them than ever are coming +forward today--with detailed accounts of close encounters they +dared not make public in a less sympathetic era. + "I don't go out and look for UFOs, and I don't go out of my +way to be up on them," says 38 year old Lyn Caldwell, a secretary +in the flight controls department of the McDonnell Douglas +Helicopter Co. in Mesa. "But I know what I saw. What I saw was +so clear and precise." + Caldwell and the others are not connoisseurs of UFO tales, +nor do they live on distant continents. They are from Apache +Junction, Tempe and Mesa. In each case, their UFO encounter was +a memorable but one time experience, not a regular diet +sandwiched between reading the palms and studying the stars. +Moreover, they are family people with professional reputations at +stake. To tell their stories, they say, is to subject themselves +to ridicule and criticism. Several said they didn't care +anymore. + Perhaps most importantly, many of their stories are +remarkably similar in description and detail, though they never +have talked to each other. + What Caldwell knows she saw, as did others that day in Ohio, +was an oblong, silver object that hovered about 150 feet above +them. There were no death rays there or masked invaders, just +simple flashes of colored light coming from an object that +vanished half an hour later at interstellar speed. + Her story begins in suburban Toledo in late 1972. Her +husband at the time, a Toledo police officer, was driving their +1969 Shelby Cobra toward St. Lukes Hospital to visit her brother. +She was riding beside him. + Caldwell says she spotted an object not quite as large as a +blimp moving above them. Red, blue and white lights pulsated +from capsule like windows across a clear, afternoon sky. + When they arrived at the hospital, the object hovered just +beyond the parking lot. It would move slowly, then it would +stop. It made no noise, she says. + "It was low enough that we could see the windows and the +lights coming out of them," says Caldwell. "Maybe 15 or 20 other +people in orderly outfits gathered in the parking lot to watch +it. It was still, then it went straight up. It was like it +evaporated. It was gone. When it was over, the man next to us +said, 'They're going to think we're nuts.'" + Like the others Caldwell says she has seen only one UFO. +She and her husband were reluctant to discuss what they saw, and +nothing about it was printed in Ohio newspapers. + Another woman who now lives in Mesa was taking care of her +four young children in Marion, Ohio, about the same time. Her +encounter 100 miles south of Toledo was similar to Caldwell's. +Three years later in the Panhandle of Texas, a woman who today is +a Tempe clothing store manager, describes a similar vehicle that +landed near her home. + What these people have in common is this: They kept their +stories private and only reluctantly discuss them now. What +their minds saw at the time remain very clear to them, but +something else also happened. The sightings evoked a common +emotion that set them apart from the "normal crowd" and made them +alone in the experience. + +================================================================= + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1287.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1287.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fa2f925d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1287.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +SUBJECT: UFOs COULD ESTABLISH SCIENTIFIC BASIS, BIBLE FILE: UFO1287 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: April 22, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Post +LOCATION: Palm Beach, Florida +BYLINE: George W. Cornell +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +PASTOR: UFOS COULD ESTABLISH SCIENTIFIC BASIS FOR BIBLICAL +EVENTS + +By George W. Cornell +The Associated Press + +Credit: B. Pratt + + NEW YORK--Smile indulgently about it if so inclined. That's +OK with the Rev. Barry H. Downing. But he firmly maintains that +UFOs are real and that they have key religious significance. + He says recognizing the existence and operations of these +unidentified flying objects could do much to strengthen faith and +renew confidence in biblical accounts. + "It would establish scientific plausibility for the whole +biblical field," he says. "It would reinforce faith and make it +possible in a scientific context." + +THE GOVERNMENT'S EFFECT + Downing, a Presbyterian pastor with a scientific bent, says +government equivocation has caused skepticism about UFOs and so +he expects some scoffing at his views. + "You have to have a good humor about it," he said in an +interview. "I can't prove I'm right, but there's lots of +evidence for it, and until it wins out, some people are just +going to have to laugh." + He theorizes that activities of UFO borne "higher beings" or +"angels," likely from another dimension rather than other +planets, are indicated in biblical events ranging from guiding +the Israelites from Egypt to Christ's ascension. + +A MIDDLE GROUND + He said postulating such activities in forming biblical +faith would open a middle ground between fundamentalist +literalism and liberal theology's "demythologizing" of +supernatural events as only symbolic. + "It would cut down the distance between liberals and +fundamentalists, and serve as a mediating force between the two +extremes," he said. + "The mythological concepts would have to be reexamined, +which would be important for the liberal wing. The conservative +wing, which stresses certainty and wants everything locked up +tight, also would be impacted. + "This would mean unlocking things." + +DETAILING HIS IDEAS + Downing, 50, an Endwell, N.Y., pastor, has a bachelor's +degree in physics and, after having completed studies at +Princeton Theological Seminary, got a doctorate at the University +of Edinburgh in Scotland on relations between science and +religion. + He details his ideas about UFOs and about eternity as a +coexisting universe, based on Einstein's relativity theory, in a +new paperback edition of his book, The Bible and Flying Saucers, +issued by Berkely Books. + "What is clear through the biblical material is that God's +will for the Jews, and eventually for all mankind, was 'revealed' +by beings from another world," he writes. + "Usually these beings looked very much like ordinary human +beings (they almost never have wings)...Once the 'package' of +biblical religion had been delivered, man became responsible for +the distribution of the contents..." + +BIBLICAL INCIDENTS + Downing said a hovering, UFO like "cloud" by day, and +glowing "pillar of fire" by night guided the Israelites out of +Egypt, projecting some propulsive force that parted the Red Sea, +leading them for years across the desert. + Other events he sees as carried out by UFOs include: + The firelike phenomenon on Mount Sinai in which Moses +received the Ten Commandments, the Prophet Elijah taken to heaven +in a fiery chariot, the star of Bethlehem, the engulfing light of +Jesus' transfiguration, his being "lifted up" at his ascension +and the blinding visitation of Paul en route to Damascus. + "All these were UFO types of reports," Downing said. + +GOVERNMENT 'COVER UP' + Downing, pastor for 22 years of Endwell's Northminster +Presbyterian Church, also is theological consultant to the Mutual +UFO Network, based in Seguin, Texas, and Fund for UFO Research, +based in Washington. + Recalling a 1969 government commission finding that Air +Force observations offered "insufficient evidence" to +substantiate UFOs, Downing said the government was "covering up" +and the full report never was released. + He displayed a 1975 letter from then Sen. Barry Goldwater, +R-Ariz., saying the material was being withheld as "above Top +Secret." + "If the government weren't lying in denying UFOs exist, we'd +have had a religious revolution starting 40 years ago," Downing +said. "It would not mean undermining biblical faith, but +reinterpreting it in light of UFO phenomena." + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1288.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1288.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..56aed097 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1288.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO HALTS TRAFFIC AT BOGOTA AIRPORT FILE: UFO1288 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: April 3, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Jornal Noticias +LOCATION: Portugal +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +UFO HALTS AIR TRAFFIC AT BOGOTA AIRPORT + +Cr: Antonio Huneeus + +Bogota's international airport of Eldorado in Colombia was put in +a state of alert after a UFO flew over it, forcing airplanes +which were preparing to land to divert to another airport located +some 500 kilometers from the Colombian capital, reported several +passengers. The UFO, which did not emit any sound, was detected +on radar and observed by several people. Passenger Teresa +Sanchez stated that the captain informed that his plane had +changed its course due to the presence of a UFO. On the other +hand, operators at the control tower of Eldorado, revealed that +their radar screens detected the presence of a strange object, +which flew over the airport zone and disappeared suddenly. "It +must have been an airplane with its lights off," asserted a +skeptical Colombian policeman, who confessed that he didn't +believe in UFOs. The airport returned to normal activities after +the incident. + +================================================================= + +5/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1289.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1289.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d168af18 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1289.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +SUBJECT: RESIDENTS REPORT SEEING UFOs FILE: UFO1289 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: May 26-28, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Wayne Independent +LOCATION: Honesdale, Pennsylvania +BYLINE: Jennifer Shaffer +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +MORE RESIDENTS REPORT SEEING UFO + +By Jennifer Shaffer + + DAMASCUS -- Several area residents have come forth with +additional information pertaining to the reported sightings of +unidentified flying objects (UFO) over the weekend of May 20 and +21. Fred Weigelt, a retired game protector, and eight fellow +game protectors, were camping Saturday evening, May 20, in Long +Eddy. The members of the group reportedly saw three lights, in +the form of a triangle, high in the sky near Pennsylvania Ridge. +The lights were reddish-orange in color and did not blink. Also +present were two steady red lights, each a football field apart +in distance. No blinking lights or strobe lights -- the type +found on standard aircraft -- could be seen. + The object did not emit any sounds, according to the group, +until it started to move slowly away at an angle. It then +emitted a low noise, much like the sound of a large electric +generator. "It was definitely not a combustion engine," said +Weigelt. + According to Weigelt, the group saw the object, or at least +the lights, at 10:32 p.m. "It was too dark out to discern the +complete shape of the object. We couldn't see an outline or get +any perception of depth. but, from the positions of the lights, +it appeared to be bigger in size than any plane or derigible I've +ever seen," he said. + For many years prior to his retirement, Weigelt was the +District Game Protector for northern Wayne County. As a trained +observer for over 34 years, Weigelt believes he has the +experience necessary to be able to distinguish the difference +between what often appears to be alien intervention and what is +really easily-explainable natural phenomena. But this time, he +was amazed at what he and the members of the group saw. "Some of +the guys outside the tarp called to the rest of us when they saw +the lights," he said. "When we got where we could see them, I +didn't know what to think. For years, anytime someone mentioned +UFOs, I thought they were crazy, but this I can't explain." + +================================================================= +8/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1290.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1290.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..059fbe67 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1290.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,168 @@ +SUBJECT: KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL FILE: UFO1290 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: May 6, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Bulletin +LOCATION: Latrobe, Pennsylvania +BYLINE: Kim Opatka +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL + +By Kim Opatka +Bulletin Staff Writer + + This final article in a six-part series on unidentified +flying objects (UFOS) examines one of the most talked about and +controversial incidents in the area, what has been termed a +meteorite by some and an alien craft by others, which crashed in +Kecksburg December 9, 1965. + The object was first seen streaking across the sky, with +thousands from Michigan to New York witnessing a brilliant ball +of fire which left a smoke trail, visible for about 20 minutes +after it passed. + Many, including pilots who observed it, thought it was an +aircraft which was on fire. Reports of debris from the object +were made in many states, and an Ohio fire department was called +to extinguish 10 small fires in an area where witnesses said they +saw flaming fragments falling from the sky. + Shock waves were reported by pilots, and a seismograph near +Detroit recorded a shock, wrote investigator Stan Gordon, of +Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained (PASU) +in a recent journal article. The crash has been a pet project of +the Greensburg man "since the night it happened," he said, noting +he is still trying to obtain information on the incident. + Although the military eventually labeled the object a +meteor, as did the Associated Press account published in The +Bulletin the day after the crash, Gordon says recent evidence, +including the discovery of a man who saw the object, supports the +idea that the object was a true UFO. + "I was a teen-ager then," said John (not his real name). +"It was in the early part of December and there was a little snow +and a little rain, and mud." + He was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m. crash as a +fireman from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object. + "I had seen a fiery object in the sky. I can't say exactly +which direction but it was coming from the north. It was not too +much longer and the fire whistle went off," he said. "I answered +the call and was told they needed a search team because at the +time they believed it was a downed aircraft. And I thought, 'My +God, this is what I have just seen'." + When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall, maps were +reviewed and groups were given sections to search. + "It was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights. We were +taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this +way' which we did. I was not on the initial contact team. +Another team found the object. + "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no +aircraft, plane, helicopter or rocket, at least not to my +knowledge. It was in an area that was part field and part woods +and we went down to investigate," he said. + "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle, +and had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path. My +initial reaction was 'This is no airplane.' I observed no +shrapnel, no breaking up of the fuselage. It was one solid +piece, no doors, no windows. + "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties. It was +shaped like an acorn, laying on its side, like the acorn nut is +in its shell when it's on a tree," he explained. "I've been a +machinist for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous amount +of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that +looked even close to that." + John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just +dented a bit. It did not give off smoke, steam or vapors, at +least none that we could see." + Reports from neighbors in the area said it had given off a +faint trail of blue smoke, which disappeared after the crash. + He described the portion visible as between eight and 10 +feet long, six and seven feet across, and said a man of average +height would probably have had little trouble standing up inside +it. The crater it plowed into the ground was "rectangular in +shape." + John said the state police were there and the area was soon +quarantined. + "They drove us out. It was late at night when we finally +got back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken over +by the military. They were carrying in large pieces of +equipment, radios and such, and they had armed guards posted +outside so nobody could get in or out. The firemen were thrown +out. We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom. + "The military had control of the whole operation," John +recalled. "After a while we saw a flat bed truck come by with +some other military equipment, a crane or something. + "It was not too much longer, an hour, an hour and a half, +when the trucks came back and there was a large object on the +back of the flat bed, covered by a tarp, with military escorts +front and back. I got the feeling that if you had stepped on the +road you were dead meat. They weren't stopping for anything." + Although the object was later said to be a meteorite, John +doesn't buy that explanation. + "It had writing on it, not like your average writing, but +more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It had sort of a +bumper on it, like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide, and it +stood out. It was elliptical the whole way around and the +writing was on this bumper. It's nothing like I've ever seen, +and I'm an avid reader. I read a lot of books on Egypt, the +Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across +anything that looked like that." + John notes that later it was denied that the object was even +a meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area. +But I know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved. It +was like they just came out of the woodwork." + Gordon's research has revealed that one of the military +groups involved was most likely to be the 662nd Radar Squadron, +based at the Oakdale Armory, located near Greater Pittsburgh +International Airport. + The squadron was found to be under the control of the +Aerospace Defense Command, and attempts to get information on the +Kecksburg crash, through the Freedom of Information Act, have not +provided much to go on. + One response said there had been no record of the squadron +being activated on that date, Gordon said, wondering how so much +equipment and personnel could be activated while the monthly +report showed no entry on Dec. 9. + Through his research, Gordon says he knows the Air Force was +still investigating UFO cases at the public level then, and that +it was apparently the Project Blue Book staff which contacted the +662nd squadron. Subsequent reports have led him to theorize that +even the Project Blue Book staff was not made aware of objects +which could "affect national security," and that some +intelligence teams investigated crashes of "foreign space +vehicles." + Another strange occurrence that night, Gordon said, was +reports by some civilians that radiation was released. He +explained that some children playing in the area had reportedly +been told by military personnel that that was a possibility, and +men in decontamination suits were allegedly seen at the site +later the next day. + Although he has considered the possibility that the object +could have been space debris or a test device, Gordon says +documents and evidence obtained in the last few years lead more +in the direction of it being a "true UFO." + John concurs. + "It was definitely not of this planet. At the time I was a +skeptical teen, but when you see something like that you don't +forget it. When you get called out like that from the fire +department you think you're going out looking for an aircraft of +some sort, not a UFO. + "I'll never forget it. I still want to know what the hell +it was." + +================================================================= +8/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1291.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1291.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..937ec2a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1291.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +SUBJECT: MYSTERY OF METEOR ROAD STILL UNSOLVED FILE: UFO1291 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: July 10, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Tribune-Review +LOCATION: Greensburg, Pennsylvania +BYLINE: None +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +MYSTERY OF METEOR ROAD STILL UNSOLVED + +By The Tribune-Review + + There's no telling who'll show up in Kecksburg August 13 +when the Community Day Parade trumpets the 50th anniversary of +the Kecksburg Volunteer Fire Department. + A chance exists that someone will boldly go beyond the +inspiring tales of firefighting heroics into another world to +debate whether a UFO or meteor landed in a wooded area off Meteor +Road -- that's right, METEOR ROAD -- 24 years ago. + Talk threatens to climb beyond the stratosphere ever since +a Japanese television crew visited the area in Mt. Pleasant +Township earlier in they year. The footage shot -- no one seems +to know what will be highlighted -- will form part of a two-hour +special scheduled to air in that country later in the year, +possibly September. + Lore about what happened on Dec. 9, 1965, encroaches on the +Zone of Beyondo Bizzaro. + The Office of Special Investigations at Wright-Patterson Air +Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, won't comment on whether its +personnel were running around Meteor Road that day. + The township supervisors thought enough of what occurred +then to christen the byway as Meteor Road. As expected, the road +signs disappear as fast as a shooting star, said township +Secretary Ray Zimmerman. + "They're a big item," he says. + Kecksburg Fire Department President Jim Mayes was on the +road that day, looking down into a field as military personnel, +state police and a swarm of authorities converged to do something +mysterious and keep area residents from seeing it. + "I remember it like it was yesterday," said Mayes. "We had +the four-wheel-drive truck and we took the military down. They +kept people there all night. There was a tractor-trailer and a +couple other vehicles, and I still say they took something out of +there. The big thing about it was the blue blinding lights -- +like a timing light." + The field of Jerome and Valeria Miller was tramped through +by Boy Scouts a day later, searching for the magnet that would +later draw college students from the University of Colorado and +the film crew from Japan. + Valeria Miller was not at home at the time of the most +famous drop-in since John Martin Keck started the village of +Kecksburg in the 1860s. + Stan Gordon, who heads the Pennsylvania Association for the +Study of the Unexplained, hasn't completely ruled out that space +debris -- and not a UFO -- went down in the area. + But the easier to swallow suggestion has choked one +eyewitness who disputed that theory in talking with Gordon. + The eyewitness, identified only as Pete by Gordon, said the +object resembled a giant metal acorn and contained writing that +"looked like hieroglyphics" on part of its raised surface. The +object was supposedly loaded onto a flatbed trailer, covered with +a tarp and hauled to an unknown location. + Gordon is in search of more witnesses who might want to come +forward on what made the noise heard around the world, and +whether, just by chance, anyone might have seen anything leave +that area before authorities arrived. + +================================================================= +8/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1292.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1292.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2b3b6e3e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1292.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +SUBJECT: WAY OVER THE FENCE FILE: UFO1292 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: July 14, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Anza Valley Outlook +LOCATION: Anza, California +BYLINE: Debbie Steinberg +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE BBS +PARANET ALPHA +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + + +(WAY OVER THE FENCE) UFO'S + +By Debbie Steinberg + +June 28, 1989 -- 10:00 P.M.: A teenager in the Bradford Road +area was gazing out her bedroom window when she saw six lights +speed by one after the other. The last object was a "Huge" gold +light that seemed to glow red and become engulfed in flames. +After the flames subsided the object glowed brightly and lit up a +large area in the vicinity of Vail Lake. + +June 28, 1989 -- 10:00 P.M.: A 32 year old woman in the Vail +Lake area contacted me about a sighting very similar to the +previous one. + She observed 6 lighted objects flying toward her in a +triangular formation. the last was an enormous glowing light. +As it got closer to her she could see it was a craft and +described it as "a floating barge that resembled a city." This +prodigious object glowed red and appeared to explode in flames as +it landed near the lake. As the flames subsided a glow lit up +the area for a long period of time. There was a lot of +interaction between the craft and small lighted objects which +were moving around at high rates of speed. + This woman also observed a saucer-shaped craft on Monday +night at about 10:00 P.M. and a much larger disk shaped object on +Tuesday night at approximately 10:00 P.M. in the same area. + There are many more important points to this accounting and +I may revert back to it in the future issues. + +June 29, 1989 -- 9:00 P.M.: A 36 year old woman in the Bradford +Road area observed bright amber colored lights in what she +thought to be the Vail Lake area. The lights were in a +triangular formation. One would drop out of sight and another +would come up into view. + Two sets of military aircraft circled the area and as they +approached the lighted objects went dark. + +June 29, 1989 -- 9:30 P.M.: Three people on Table Mountain +watched the same light show. They also observed a large lighted +object over Cahuilla Mountain described as a large green light +with blue lights circling it. + +June 30, 1989 -- 2:55 P.M.: The Bautista Road woman in a +previously mentioned encounter was driving north on Bahrman Road. +She saw an object shaped like a cylinder moving across the sky at +a 45 degree angle. + There were a couple of cars pulled off to the side of the +road and at least one person observing the craft through +binoculars. + As it made its way along the crest of Thomas Mountain it +tilted slightly exposing a black dome on the mid-section. The +craft seemed to set down on top of the mountain. + +July 3, 1989 -- 11:30 P.M.: A group of people in the Bradford +Road area were outside hoping to get a glimpse of Saturn which +was supposed to be visible at that time. + Two members of the same family were looking straight up when +they saw an enormous craft. It's shape was similar to that of a +sergeant's stripes. A pole protruded from the front portion with +a spotlight of some sort at the tip. Gold lights blinked in +quick succession as the monstrous craft sped toward the Vail Lake +area. + It's obvious that we are experiencing an increased wave of +activity in our area. A few of the sightings have been +represented here and there are, no doubt, countless others that +remain untold. + Please continue to contact the AVO office to report +sightings and other types of encounters. + There are many aspects of this subject that need to be +covered. We will not attempt to discredit you or disprove your +accountings if you choose to share them. I believe it takes less +energy to "prove" a point. + +LAST MINUTE REPORT AS AVO GOES TO PRESS + +July 9, 1989 -- 12:05 A.M.: A Terwilliger couple were preparing +to retire for the evening when a super brilliant light flashed +in their window silhouetting the entire area. The husband looked +out and saw a brilliant white light approximately 12" in +diameter, such as the beam from a strobe light, moving from +behind a hill. The wife then looked out and saw the light too. +They both watched as the light seemed to rotate to the left +lasting approximately 15 to 20 seconds before changing to a +brilliant red light which appeared a bit larger. This red light +was still revolving but seemed slower, about 60 seconds, before +again changing to white, lasting about 45 seconds and again +changing to the brilliant red; lasting approx 60 seconds before +it just vanished. The area where this was seen is a rock covered +hill, quite unlikely for any vehicle to travel across. Being +curious in nature, the husband and another family member ventured +out to see if anything could be seen. When reaching the area +just below where the lights were seen their can engine simply +died. It took two tries to restart the car, which is in +otherwise perfect working condition. Upon returning home the +family continued to watch the area and the husband and another +member saw a small soft light to the right of the original lights +and one below. They too just disappeared. + For whatever it's worth they turned on the TV which normally +doesn't have very good reception. However, this night the +reception appeared as if they had Cable TV. + The wife indicated "I am now a UFO believer". The husband +has seen sightings previously; one in the 50s in the Compton +area, another a year ago (July 7) in this same area and again on +June 19 of this year. + +================================================================= +8/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1293.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1293.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0657bfa7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1293.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +SUBJECT: UFO BRINGS MAN BACK TO LIFE ! FILE: UFO1293 + + + +BY MARCUS LAINE for WWN + + +Nashville, Tenn. - Extraterrestrials beamed dead Lawrence Kacher aboard a gli- +mmering blue starship and brought him back to life while his wife and childre- +n watched! + +It's a miracle from Heaven and sign from God, said Martha Kacher, the man's +wife. Doctors said Lawrence was dead and there was nothing they could do for +him. + +But those space aliens have powers greater than that of any man. They gave my +husband the most precious gift of all. They gave him back his life. + +Authorities declined to discuss the incident. But a leading Christian newslet- +ter said the drama unfolded three days after Kacher, 53, suffered a fatal +heart attack. + +Rev. Paul Marin was reportedly conducting the dead man's funeral in a cemetery +when the starship swooped down from the sky and sucked Kacher's wife, son and +daughter aboard with a white tractor beam. The coffin went up, too, with Mr. +Kacher still in it, said Rev. Marin. The family cried out for help but we were +alone in the cemetery and there was nothing I could do. I prayed for God to +protect them on their journey. + +When the family vanished into the belly of the ship, the UFO took off over the +horizon. The minister reported the incident to authorities who, he said, trea- +ted me like I was a lunatic. + +But six days later, Kacher walked back into town with his family in tow. + +Curiously, their only recollection of the experience was the initial meeting +with the aliens, who were shaped like human brains and floated in the air like +thick globs of smoke, Mrs. Kacher said. + +When we suddenly found ourselves on the otskirts of town it was as if we had +awakened from a long and dreamless sleep, continued the woman. + +We went directly to Rev. Marin and told him what happened, but he was as conf- +used as we were. + +He told us that some things are not for men to understand. + +He said the Loard works in mysterious ways. + +Kacher pointed out that he feels better and healthier now than he did before +he died. + +He does speak with a slight speech impediment that he didn't have before his +death, but he says, That's a small price to pay for my life. + +I am rejuventated, he continued. But if you're asking me to explain what happ- +ened, I can't. for some reason, my life has been given back to me. Now it's +up to me to make the most of the time I have left. + +Queried about the incident in a telephone interview, a spokesman for the Inst- +itute of UFO Research in Chattanooga called the family's experience a compell- +ing new chapter in the study of extraterrestrial intelligence. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1294.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1294.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8cfd3858 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1294.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +SUBJECT: MARTIANS WARN FARMERS TO STAY AWAY FILE: UFO1294 + + +NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE + +DATE OF ARTICLE: August 5, 1989 +SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Australian Post +LOCATION: Melbourne, Australia +BYLINE: Denise Dalgliesh +======================================================== +(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service +All Rights Reserved. +THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE +AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION +SERVICE +DENVER, COLORADO +NOTE: THESE FILES ARE NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION OUTSIDE +OF THE PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE NETWORK +======================================================== + +'MARTIANS' WARN FARMER TO STAY AWAY + + Stationhand George Blackwell used to be a dyed-in-the-wool +cynic....until the night he came face to face with a UFO. + Although shocked by the close encounter George, 56, says +that if the alien beings manning the spacecraft had invited him +aboard he would have leapt at the chance. + George recalled his experience exclusively for POST in a bid +to assist the Victorian UFO Research Society, which studies +reports from witnesses who have observed UFOs at close range. + George, who lived on the cattle grazing property "White- +Acres", near Sale (V), woke at 1 am on September 30, 1980, to +hear a strange high-pitched whistling noise and the sound of +terrified animals. + "The noise was getting louder and I looked out the window +and saw what I first thought was an aircraft about to crash into +the paddock," George told POST. "Then I realized it had no +wings. + "I threw on some clothes and raced out to the porch. It was +a clear moonlit night and I could see the craft clearly. + "It was dome-shaped, about three-and-a-half metres high and +roughly eight-and-a-half metres long with blue and orange lights. +It was moving slowly about two metres above the paddock and as I +watched it cruised down to the water tank, hovered over it for +some minutes and then landed. + "I didn't know what the hell was going on...my first thought +was I had caught some cattle rustlers." + George jumped on a motorbike and bolted down to the paddock +where the craft had landed. + "I opened the paddock gate and got a hefty electric shock. +My watch stopped right at that moment and my body went numb...it +just didn't want to respond. + "That gave me a nasty fright so I just stood there stunned, +watching this thing. I'd never seen anything like it in my life. +It was bell-shaped with a smaller dome on top. I couldn't see +any doors, rivets or seams, only portholes with lights behind +them, and although I didn't see or hear anyone in it, it was +obviously under control -- its movements weren't erratic." + The UFO remained stationary for about 10 minutes then +started to take off, and if lifted gracefully off the ground. I +was so close it nearly blew me off the bike and I could feel a +blast of heat on my legs. It was incredibly graceful and I felt +quite calm -- if someone had beckoned and asked me to go for a +ride, I would have." As the spacecraft rose George noticed a +large circular rim around its base which receded as the craft +rose. The whistling noise leveled off to a hum, and rocks and +cow pats fell from beneath the UFO. It flew straight over the +ocean. Stunned, George returned to his bungalow to find that 50 +minutes had elapsed. + Next morning George and Ralph Anderson, the owner of White- +Acres, discovered a brown ring about 10 metres in diameter on the +ground where George had watched the UFO landing. + The ground appeared to be scorched, and around the circle +were six distinct spots where the grass was unharmed. Upturned +cow pats and rocks were strewn around the circle under the flight +path of the UFO. + The nearby water tank, which had held 2200 litres the night +before, was nearly empty. The tank had been cracked but the +ground around it was bone dry. + "It was like the tank had been sucked in by some enormous +force and had cracked under the strain," George told POST. "I +had checked the tank the night before and it was full then. The +cattle were spooked the next morning and refused to go back in +that paddock for months." + In the cold light of day George remained adamant that what +he had witnessed was a UFO landing. + "I can assure you it wasn't science fiction -- it was +genuine," he told POST. "I used to be the sort of bloke who'd +laugh and pass rude remarks when people mentioned UFOs, but now I +think people who make those sorts of statements are ignorant. + "Whatever race of beings made that craft they were a long +way ahead of us. I don't think they'd hurt you, I certainly +didn't feel fearful. Looking back I think the shock I got off +the gate was just their way of telling me not to be so abrupt." +The Victorian UFO Research Society contacted George soon after +his experience. Paul Norman, vice president of the society, has +spent 36 years investigating UFOs. + "In the Blackwell encounter there is tangible evidence of a +UFO landing and his experience is one of the best close sightings +to occur in Australia," he told POST. "It ties in with UFO +sightings from around the world -- many are associated with +water. I investigated this sighting extensively and George +Blackwell is an honest, credible man who didn't just dream up +this encounter...it happened." + Judy Magee, president of the society, said: "We get +hundreds of reports of UFO sightings but you can write off 80 +percent as natural phenomenon. George Blackwell's encounter +falls into the 10 per cent of definite sightings -- they can't be +explained in any other way." + +================================================================= +8/89 + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1295.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1295.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8463e215 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1295.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +SUBJECT: PENNSYLVANIA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1295 + + +# 890104 : Near Harrisburg, PA. Event date, December 4, 1988, 5:25 a.m. + + A state corrections officer (name withheld) was driving his car to his +prison work site when he was blinded by a light, swerving to a halt on the +road. Departing the car, he tried to study the object but could not make out +a shape due to its brilliance. A strong wind emanated from either the object +or general weather conditions. About 75 feet in diameter, the object was +perhaps ovular, polished silver, and approximately 150 feet overhead. A +medium tone humming sound was distinct. After an undetermined number of +minutes, the vehicle departed, laterally at first, then vertically. The +witness then realized an auto a short distance ahead. The motorist, an older +well-dressed man, exhibited tears and appeared terrified. The man remarked +that he had been returning from work, which the officer found odd. He then +felt the car hood, which was cold. + + Immediately following the incident, the officer experienced a severe +"sunburn", vision and hearing difficulties, headache and dizziness, +musculature aches and a skin rash. His auto was coated with a thin coating +of material later analyzed by a laboratory as having high concentrations of +particular elements. + + (Analysis: A classic CE-2, faulted only by the fact that the officer, +in the excitement of the moment, failed to obtain the second motorist's name +or license number before he drove away. Another prison officer verified +hearing a humming sound from his home within minutes of the roadside +encounter and in the direction which the object departed. Highly +significant). + + _____ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1296.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1296.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..57ef2410 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1296.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +SUBJECT: ILLINOIS SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1296 + + +# 890203 : Outside Belleville, IL. Event date, January 12, 1989, 10 p.m. + Two young men driving along a state highway noticed a light that +eventually grew in intensity. A diamond-shaped base was determined, with +white lights at the corners, an intense red light centered underneath. +Stopping their car, they observed the vehicle as close as 100 feet during the +5 minute duration. No sound was detected. The object then moved slowly off +and out of sight. + +(Analysis: Though collateral contacts were not initiated due to the invest- +igator's inexperience, the interview tape submitted underscores the witness' +seemingly genuine puzzlement, awe and dismay that other occasional motorists +did not stop to observe the scene.) + + _____ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1297.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1297.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1624387b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1297.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +SUBJECT: INDIANA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1297 + + +# 890205: Near Greens Fork, IN. Event date, January 22, 1989, 9:30 P.M. + A woman noticed a bright light over a neighboring farm (for the third +successive evening) and so called the neighbors to alert them. While engaged +in conversation, the light approached the callers home, revealing a bullet- +shaped vehicle adjudged to be 25 feet in length, with an exterior remindful +of a spider web. The object passed low overhead, no sound being detected. + +(Analysis: Contacts with police and others by the witnessing couple, +together with honest puzzlement as assessed by the investigator, lend +credence to the basic account. The neighbors verified the intervening call. +Celestial and weather conditions and conventional aircraft were ruled out by +follow up evidence.) + + _____ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1298.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1298.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..42ccee30 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1298.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: INDIANA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1298 + + +# 890210: Near Terre Haute, IN. Event date, September 28, 1989, 12:30 A.M. + A couple and young child were returning home when they noticed a +grouping of bright lights in the sky which, growing in intensity, hurt their +eyes. Three miles farther, they pulled off the road to observe the lights +more closely. At that point, a triangular vehicle approached and hovered 25 +feet overhead. Yellowish lights were at the corners, blue lights along the +perimeter and a green light centered underneath that was bordered by two red +lights. A soft humming lowered in pitch as it descended. The husband leaped +into the truck, but it failed to start. As the object reached it's closest +point - 25 feet - a blue glow surrounded it. After what was later +determined to be about three minutes, the vehicle slowly drifted behind them +and out of sight. The following day the witnesses were greatly fatigued. +The husband experienced a persistent headache. Their wrist watches and the +truck's dashboard clock all had lost three minutes. + +(Analysis: The couple had called a local airport, police and relatives +immediately afterward. Collateral contacts supported the witnesses' +veracity. The wife's dreams of a UFO encounter beforehand and certain fears +expressed since are of ongoing concern, and the family is being loosely +monitored. A case of potentially high significance). + + _____ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1299.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1299.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d58c0092 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1299.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: NO LOCATION SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1299 + + +# 890301: Event date, December 01, 1986. 5 P.M. + Duration 10 seconds. A man was looking out a window when a shiny +metallic "ball-type" object moved into view, then dipped, slowed, sped +up, circled and left in a controlled fashion. Light rain was falling at the +time (an uncommon occurrence). At an estimated 500 feet, the object seemed +to be about 10 feet above the ground at its lowest point and the size of a +standard car in diameter. + + _____ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1300.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1300.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..46a65698 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1300.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: ILLINOIS SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1300 + + +Log #890302 - Event 5/10/88, New Haven, IL: duration, 3-4 seconds. Lead +investigator Francis Ridge. A missile-shaped vehicle 25 feet long, light +grey in color, with a slightly turned-up nose, stabilizing wings at the rear, +and a reddish ring at the middle, cruised 50-100 feet above the ground at +"tremendous speed" a few hundred feet from the witness. One possible +explanation, a Tomahawk cruise missile (strikingly similar in appearance), +brought forward by Fran. This would postulate that a test firing (from an +unknown point) had gone awry. An FOIA request for additional information is +being pursued. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1301.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1301.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a45270fc --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1301.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +SUBJECT: NEW JERSEY SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1301 + + + +Log # 890303 - Event mid-June 1959, midday, Whiting, NJ: duration, unknown +(possible time lapse). Lead investigator Walter Webb. The witness, then 8 +years old, went hiking into a nearby woods that lie near multiple military +installations. He entered a circular clearing, on the perimeter of which +tree bark was scraped and hanging. At some point, from overhead a shadow +became apparent, and the boy discovered a 60 foot disc 300 feet overhead with +a high-pitched humming. The object descended while the witness felt an +electrical tingling, then a blank. When he returned home, he could not +account for six hours. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1302.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1302.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1899b61d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1302.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: TEXAS SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1302 + + +Log # 890402 - Event 2/11/89, 11:15 PM, San Antonio, TX: duration 5 minutes. +Lead investigator Robert Morgan. A woman entered her kitchen and heard a +humming. Hovering at a distance overhead was a flat-bottomed disc. The +object emitted a beam which apparently extinguished a nearby streetlight and +seemingly affected the witness in a noticeable manner. After a few minutes +the object moved out of view. Immediately after, the streetlight came back +on and a firetruck appeared on the scene. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1303.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1303.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a9088548 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1303.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1303 + + +Log # 890405 - Event 2/8/89, 3:40 AM, Gulf Breeze, FL: duration 12 minutes. +Lead investigator Charles Flannigan. Awakened by his dog's stirrings +outside, a man discovered a small object descending low over a nearby lot. +The object was described as two connected discs, the lower one larger and +about 3 feet in diameter. A white light shone at the top, while numerous +others blinked in reddish orange and two shades of green. As the man +approached (intending to bring the thing back inside), the object disappeared + in a flash of light. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1304.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1304.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0f3bf1b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1304.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +SUBJECT: FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1304 + + +Log # 890406 - Event 11/24/87, 7:30 PM, Gulf Breeze, FL: duration 5 minutes. +Lead investigator Boots Eckert. A woman and her son noticed a lighted object +while driving. A few moments later, it hovered over trees along the road, +and they stopped to observe. The object was described as a disc with a light +at the top and a row of lights or windows emanating alternate red and green +light. A red ball of light dropped from the bottom, maneuvered out and up, +then shot out of sight. Unnerved, the woman drove away. + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1305.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1305.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..18939653 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1305.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1305 + + +Log # 890407 - Event 11/10-20/87 (exact date undetermined), dusk, Pensacola, +FL: duration 3 minutes. Lead investigator Vicki Lyons. A couple noticed a +disc-shaped object hovering near treetop level while driving. Slowing but +not stopping, they kept it in view for over two miles. Later, having become +aware of the original Gulf Breeze photos, the man declared, "There's no doubt +in my mind then or now that what we saw was exactly what was photographed on +November 11 in Gulf Breeze." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1306.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1306.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cd93a7b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1306.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +SUBJECT: FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1306 + + +Log # 890502 - Event 4/5/89, Cantonment, FL: duration 5 minutes. Lead +investigator Carol and Rex Salisberry and Terry Kussart. About 11 PM, a 14- +year-old girl noticed a slowly descending light from her bedroom window. She +went outside and observed a dark gray disc, 15-20 feet in diameter and +hovering over a tree, causing the branches to move vigorously. Dozens of +blue-streaked white lights shone around its rim. A "door" opened in the +bottom, illuminating the tree. She ran inside to call a friend and neighbor +(noticing heavy static on the line). The second girl, also 14, proceeded +outside and observed the vehicle as it departed vertically and out of sight, +spinning as it went. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1307.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1307.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e29eb736 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1307.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1307 + + +Log # 890503 - Event 5/1/89, Warrington, FL: duration 2 minutes. Lead +investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. At 8:45 PM, a woman spotted low over +her backyard an object shaped like a "long bow tie" (30 foot length) with a +brilliant red-orange bar of light on one side. The object appeared to vanish +(i.e. without accelerating out of sight). [Note: Due to her emotional +reaction and difficulty recalling specifics in the ensuing weeks, the woman +began hypnosis sessions, from which earlier encounters with disc-shaped +vehicles in 1925 and 1939 were related.] + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1308.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1308.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6bc1ecb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1308.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: OHIO SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1308 + + +Log # 890602 - Event 10/21/78, Dayton, OH: duration 3 minutes. Lead +investigator David Miller. At 3 PM, a man (licensed pilot) was working in +his yard when he noticed a chrome-like ball at high altitude which crossed +existing vapor trails, transformed to a flat-white, stopped, transformed to +grey, then accelerated vertically through cirrus clouds. [Note: As +indicated by the witness, a local TV station reported other concurrent +observations.] + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1309.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1309.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ffa15048 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1309.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +SUBJECT: OHIO SIGHTING REPORT - MUFON FILE: UFO1309 + + +Log # 890603 - Event 1/18/89, Somerville, OH: duration 2 hours. Lead +investigator Dick Seifreid. At 3:57 AM, a man (retired USAF noncom) was +awakened by his barking dog. Looking out, he observed three oval-shapes over +trees bordering the property 50 yards away. He woke his wife and two +adolescent children. The family watched for most of two hours as the objects +moved low over nearby farm buildings and land. They displayed various bright +colors (amber, red, green, blue and white) which covered the surfaces from an +apparent belt or lights on each. At one point, the father and son engaged in +a chase with their auto before losing sight of them. Shortly thereafter, two +of the objects returned over an adjacent field before departing again. +[Note: The family subsequently reported a recurrence in the early morning +hours of 1/27/89.] + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1310.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1310.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bcdbe655 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1310.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: ONTARIO, CANADA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1310 + + +Log # 890607 - Event (exact date unknown), Sarnia, Ontario: duration 10 +minutes. Lead investigator Dorothy Lewis. At 10 PM, a couple noted on their +police monitor that cars were stopped along a Lake Huron shoreline highway. +From their balcony, they observed at a distance a hugh apparently disc-shaped +object with numerous green lights or lighted windows around the perimeter. A +soft whirring sound was detectable. The vehicle hovered near the shore, then +moved off over the lake and out of sight. [Note: No other witnesses have +been located to date.] + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1311.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1311.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3f7408d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1311.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +SUBJECT: MAYLENE, ALABAMA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1311 + + +LOG # 890712 - Event 11/09/88, near Maylene, Alabama. Investigators Jeff and +Karen Ballard. Returning from a friend's home, a woman noticed blinking +lights to her right. On rounding a curve, she spotted an oblong metallic +object ahead, perhaps 40 feet in diameter. It displayed two bright white +lights on the perimeter, four smaller yellow-white lights surrounding a +circular area on the bottom, and a dark raised portion ("hump") on either +side. Seeming to hover momentarily, the object then rose and glided over the +woman's car from a distance. As it did so, she felt disjointed consciously +from her physical surroundings, believing afterward that she watched +it from an elevated viewing angle as it left. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1312.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1312.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..089e5e12 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1312.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: ELYSIAN, MINNESOTA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1312 + + +LOG # 890714 - Event 03/15/89, near Elysian, Minnesota. Investigator Bill +McNeff. While driving home a woman came upon a 30-foot display of lights +hovering about 50 feet over a ditch. She came to a halt and watched for +several minutes but discerned only lights. They consisted of two rows of +alternating red and green, blinking in succession, and two red lights above. +Becoming frightened, she drove a short distance to the home of a friend. +They returned but found nothing. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1313.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1313.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d264740f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1313.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: PITTSBURG, PENNSYLVANIA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1313 + + + +LOG # 890719 - Event 05/17/89, in a suburb of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. +Investigator Evelyn Schurman. Two women were driving on a residential street +when they noticed an oval shape with beacon-sized red lights along the side, +hovering in the near distance. The object retreated and returned several +times over two minutes, then accelerated vertically. They filed a police +report immediately. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1314.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1314.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7730ff4a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1314.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: NEW HARMONY, INDIANA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1314 + + +LOG # 890802 - Event 07/16/89, in New Harmony, Indiana. Investigator Francis +Ridge. A woman was standing outside when her driveway and surroundings were +illuminated "as bright as day". Overhead at treetop level was a disc of +satellite dish proportion. Dozens of short rods or cylinder shapes protruded +in varying lengths and colors from its white-lit concave underside. After a +few moments, it moved beyond nearby trees and out of sight. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1315.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1315.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f192c3c7 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1315.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: DUTTON, ALABAMA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1315 + + +LOG # 890803 - Event 07/18/89, in Dutton, Alabama. Investigators Carol and +Rex Salisberry. A couple had retreated inside due to threatening weather +when an acquaintance (of reputed psychic ability) phoned to say they should +be looking for UFO's. Returning outside, the sky was totally clear. Moments +later, they observed an oval white light moving slowly past in the distance. +Ten minutes later, the thunderstorm ensued. [Notes: The wife may have +experienced a bedroom intrusion by a cloaked figure later that night. She +had numerous experiences, alone and with others, of a triangular object in +connection with the Fyffe, Alabama sightings.] +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1316.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1316.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..02bdc341 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1316.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: MANSURA, LOUISANA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1316 + + +LOG # 890806 - Event 08/13/89, in Mansura, Louisiana. Investigator Barney +Garner. At 10:30 AM, a man noticed a 2-3 foot disc floating just off the +ground 30 feet away on his property. He called to his wife. After moving a +short distance and hovering several times, it shot up vertically, circled a +nearby tree, then accelerated angularly up and out of sight. A police report +was filed. [Note: The object reportedly left swirled circles of weeds which +had been mowed before the investigator arrived.] +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1317.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1317.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..03fc8e2d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1317.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: PENSACOLA, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1317 + + +LOG # 890808 - Event 08/22/89, in Pensacola Beach, Florida. Investigators +Carol and Rex Salisberry. A woman's housemate phoned to say that customers +at his establishment were reporting unusual lights in the sky. From her +balcony over the next two hours, she observed numerous light anomalies along +with huge unlighted objects of undefined shape approaching each other from +opposite directions, hovering together, then retreating to their original +points. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1318.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1318.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..72676b14 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1318.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1318 + + +LOG # 890903 - Event 05/18/89, in Vancouver, B.C. Investigator Michael +Strainic. Over the course of an hour, a man and woman observed three +formations of brilliant, disc-like objects undulating within a vapor, and two +formations of dull grey discs, each with a raised center. Each formation was +visible for several seconds and traveling at a high rate in a straight-line +path. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1319.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1319.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..420f7c1b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1319.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1319 + + +LOG # 890904 - Event March 1988, in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators +Carol and Rex Salisberry. A teen was sent outside to find the cause of a +humming sound. At treetop level, a flat-bottomed disc passed slowly and +directly overhead. The undercarriage was black in the center with concentric +rings, the inner composed of white squares of light, the outer of larger and +alternately white and orange squares that flashed sequentially. He called to +his mother, who arrived in time to see the object moving away. [Note: The +mother and son related other sightings over the past two years as well as +high-strangeness events in earlier years. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1320.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1320.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5551676e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1320.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +SUBJECT: PENSACOLA, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1320 + + +LOG # 890905 - Event 04/04/89, in Pensacola, Florida. Investigators Carol +and Rex Salisberry. While driving in the city, a woman felt a strong energy, +then observed a huge glowing ball of light pass low and quickly overhead. +The car radio was knocked off it's station. [Note: The woman also reported a +bedroom intrusion by a dark figure several years ago, and her toddler related +the same figure in his bedroom recently.] +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1321.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1321.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..80348248 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1321.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: NAVARRE BEACH, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1321 + + +LOG # 890906 - Event 08/23/89, in Navarre Beach, Florida. Investigators +Carol and Rex Salisberry. A couple viewing stars from their balcony were +among those who observed a triangular formation over the bay. The display +comprised two huge red lights 150 feet apart at each apex and two centered +yellow-white lights. No outline was discerned. The lights stopped, then +moved off and out of sight. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1322.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1322.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ac93d5ee --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1322.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1322 + + +LOG # 890910 - Event 08/22/89, in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators Carol +and Rex Salisberry. From her backyard, a woman noticed a "translucent white" +triangular object (50-100 feet to a side) hovering at a vertical attitude +over trees within 100 yards. After a moment it rose, leveled off and moved +over a nearby bridge., then began to return. She called her teenage son +outside who observed a large globe of light (color not recalled) at each apex +and small red lights along the three sides before it passed out of view. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1323.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1323.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..73c579a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1323.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +SUBJECT: BULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1323 + + +LOG # 890911 - Event 08/23/89 in Gulf Breeze, Florida. Investigators Carol +and Rex Salisberry. Two women in their driveway observed a "silver" or +"white" delta shaped object (estimated 70 feet per side) pass low and almost +directly overhead. On the leading apex was a globe or cluster of white +lights 12-16 feet in diameter. Globes or clusters of red were at the other +apexes. Three lights-one white and two red- followed closely behind. After +trying to follow in their car, the women drove to a friends home. There, +they saw the same or similar object and lights pass nearby. This time, two +independent lights (now pulsating) led the vehicle as it moved slowly out of +sight. Again they tried unsuccessfully to follow. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1324.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1324.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..483a3fde --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1324.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +SUBJECT: SHELTON, WASHINGTON SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1324 + + +LOG # 890912 - Event 12/15/88 near Shelton, Washington. Investigator James +Clarkson. From their secluded lakeside home, a family was attracted outside +by a brilliant approaching light illuminating the trees below. They observed +three black boomerangs, the first estimated variously from 75 feet at the +base to "a football field", move very slowly overhead at treetop level. The +latter two were identical in shape but much smaller. The wife attempted a +flash photo, but neither prints nor negatives were returned. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1325.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1325.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c4ae8d8c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1325.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +SUBJECT: EDENBURG, PENNSYLVANIA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1325 + + +LOG # 891002 - Event 09/03/89, near Ebenburg, Pennsylvania, investigator Paul +Kessler. A high school boy confronted an arrowhead-shaped object at close +range while driving. At first moving very slowly at utility line height, it +accelerated while simultaneously rotating counter-clockwise until lost from +view. The vehicle was described as larger than an auto with an undercarriage +surface of gray-white transected by a broad black stripe. A set of red lights +were at the lead apex, a set of whitish-green lights at one rear apex, and a +set of bluish lights at the other. The youth's auto did not malfunction during +the 10-15 second encounter. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1326.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1326.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fb39b27e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1326.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +SUBJECT: MINERAL POINT, PENNSYLVANIA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1326 + + +LOG # 891004 - Event 08/26/89, near Mineral Point, Pennsylvania, investigator +Paul Kessler. At 5 PM, four teenage boys resting from a game of touch football +spotted a shiny object in the sky. It proceeded closer at moderate speed, then +twice reversed direction, halting momentarily each time. Fifteen minutes into +the sighting, one of the boys ran home to beckon his parents outside. They +were joined by several adult neighbors and watched for half an hour until the +object left. It was described as a metalic sphere, at times displaying an +orange-like coloration and appearing to rotate about a vertical axis. At it's +closest point, the object had an apparent size of a quarter held at arm's +length. Actual size was estimated as larger than the jetliner which at one +point passed below the anomaly. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1327.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1327.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..27df99b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1327.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1327 + + +LOG # 891005 - Event 09/09/89, in Gulf Breeze, Florida, investigators Carol and +Rex Salisberry. A young woman and two teenage girls were driving when they +noticed an oval or disc of undetermined size hovering in the distance. The +object had a dull surface. A bright, steady red light on the side facing the +witnesses was centered among four dimmer white lights. As they watched, four +identical vehicles joined the first, forming an inverted "V". Seconds later +the five burst apart and seemed to vanish (i.e. other than by moving out of +view). Duration of the event was 1 - 2 minutes. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1328.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1328.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..41dddd03 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1328.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +SUBJECT: CANTONMENT, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1328 + + +LOG # 891006 - Event 08/18/89 or 08/19/89, in Cantonment, Florida, +investigators Carol and Rex Salisberry. From her front door, a woman +encountered a 40-foot silvery disc resembling inverted paper plates and +hovering immediately over the house across the street. A row of large steady +white lights together with a row of steady red lights below formed a belt +around the otherwise smooth surface. The object began to move slowly away. +She then ran inside for a camera, but upon returning there was nothing in view. +Duration of the observation was 2 - 3 minutes. +=============================================================================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1329.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1329.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d6713f44 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1329.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1329 + + +LOG # 891007 - Event 10/05/88, in Gulf Breeze, Florida, investigators Carol and +Rex Salisberry. Driving home from work, a woman observed a disc-shaped or +ovular object moving back and forth over trees two blocks away. A radiant gold +light shone on the side facing her. She slowed and stopped the car and was +exiting when the light and object "blinked out". The vehicle was described as +about the size of a standard auto. The duration was one minute or less. +=============================================================================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1330.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1330.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ec0b8efa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1330.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: CANTONMENT, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1330 + + +LOG # 891008 - Event 09/14/89, in Cantonment, Florida, investigators Carol and +Rex Salisberry. From his bedroom, and adolescent son of the woman in the above +account observed an object, shaped like inverted cones, approach and hover low +over a house on the next street. He ran out onto the rear deck, his mother +following. The object was described as at least 20 feet wide at the center and +displaying 30-40 randomly spaced lights of blue, green and white. A low +humming sound was detected. After a long moment, they heard a rumbling and saw +a long-nosed aircraft approaching. When directly overhead, it reversed +direction (without banking) and left the area. The witnesses returned their +gaze to the spot where the first object was seen, but it was gone. The +duration was estimated as three minutes. [Notes: During the event, the +family's three dogs, usually aggressive, hid under the deck. A work +acquaintance subsequently related having seen a long-nosed aircraft zig-zagging +very low and several miles away in the same general time frame. The man +surmised the pilot was searching the surroundings.] +=============================================================================== + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1331.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1331.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9e854f4f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1331.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +SUBJECT: PENSACOLA, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1331 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900803 - Event 6/21/90, 1415 hours, Pensacola, Florida. +Investigator Joe Barron. Through a window at a business +establishment, a woman noticed an unusual low cloud in the near +distance and called it to the attention of her four companions. +Momentarily, a large silvery disc emerged from the cloud and +hovered. The object's bottom was described as a rimmed crescent +lined with apparent portholes, overlying which was a "straw hat" +like crown. The surface reflected the sun's glare. After three +minutes, their attention was momentarily diverted to discuss the +presence. When they looked back, it was gone. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1332.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1332.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..097bf678 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1332.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +SUBJECT: GULF BREEZE, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1332 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900806 - Event 7/14/90, 0400 hours, near Gulf Breeze, +Florida. Investigator Joe Barron. Driving along a highway, a +man spotted an orange-lit, walnut-shaped object in the near +distance. The object maintained the approximate speed and +direction of the auto over a 25-mile span, at times disappearing +from view momentarily and seeming to travel in a somewhat zigzag +pattern. Near Hurlburt AFB, the object once again blinked out +and was not seen again. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1333.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1333.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7147f8b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1333.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +SUBJECT: SOMERS, MONTANA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1333 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900812 - Event September 1987, 0200 hours, near Somers, +Montana. Investigator Ronald Penrod. A couple was driving when +they noticed a fiery ball of white to their left, near the +ground and pacing the car from a quarter-mile distance. +Immediately, the ball of light divided into two parts, each with +a short tail. One went over the car to the right while the +second accelerated, still on a parallel path with the auto. +After another mile, both were lost from view beyond nearby +mountains sides. Duration was estimated at 2 1/2 minutes. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1334.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1334.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0d70545c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1334.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +SUBJECT: INDIANOPLIS, INDIANA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1334 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900815 - Event 12/04/88, 0200 hours, near Indianapolis, +Indiana. Investigator Fran Ridge. A couple was driving home +from work when they observed a white light hovering in the west. +After a few seconds, it moved at "unbelievable speed" to the +south, halted, then zig-zagged before returning near the +original point. They followed and soon pulled to a stop, at +which time the object passed 500 feet directly over the car and +beyond a nearby billboard. They discerned an elongated +arrowhead-shaped vehicle, the two longer sides outlined in +bright white lights. They then realized the radio had ceased +playing and the cigarette lighter was inoperative. [Note: The +auto dealership thereafter determined that several fuses were +blown.] + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1335.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1335.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..dddfb396 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1335.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: PENSACOLA, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1335 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900818 - Event 4/18/90, near Milton, Florida. Investigator +Terri Kussart. A man was driving when he noticed what at first +appeared as a spherical object near the ground a quarter-mile +away. It was described as dull white and 20-45 feet in +diameter, with numerous bluish, aquamarine and white lights on +the surface. As he chased the object along the winding road, +it seemed to transform into first a bell shape, then a disc-like +oval. The driver followed the anomaly to Pensacola. Upon +approaching the I-10 (Escambia Bay) bridge, the object stopped +and hovered, then dove under the bridge and was not seen again. +Photos attempted while en route were blank after processing. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1336.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1336.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a872458b --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1336.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: CORYDON, INDIANA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1336 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +LOG #9008222 - Event 01/21/89, 10:58 PM, near Corydon, Indiana. +Investigator Fran Ridge. Four women and a teen were driving +when they spotted an amber light trailing their car. They +pulled to a stop and departed. The house-sized object passed +almost directly overhead, seemingly turning onto it's side, the +witnesses not agreeing as to it's outline. On what was assumed +to be it's underside were approximately nine bright white lights +in a "X" pattern. Several photos were attempted and, though the +object was apparently within 200 feet when closest, the film +revealed only small, randomly placed white lights which may have +been the result of processing. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1337.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1337.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1378f80c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1337.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +SUBJECT: POCOMOKE SOUND, VIRGINIA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1337 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +Log #900901 - Event 03/07/90, 7:20 PM, near Pocomoke Sound, +Virginia. Investigators Mark Blashak and Don Lovett. Two young +sons were retrieving groceries from the family car for their +mother when they noticed a bright light approaching at great +speed with the sound of a jet, emitting fuzzy balls of blue +light above a nearby field which dissipated before reaching the +ground. The 9- and 10-year-olds then observed a domed disc +slowing and stopping low and nearly overhead. A bright white +beam immersed the older brother as the younger one scrambled +underneath the car, followed by their dog. Momentarily, +multiple beams circled the auto. + +As described afterward by the boys, the dome slid back, +revealing two entities of small stature, wrinkled skin and claw- +like hands. A third joined them with a mechanical motion to +observe the scene below. The dome then closed and the vehicle +departed with the same jet-type roar. [Notes: The mother +reported having heard a roar indicating both the approach and +departure of the object. She went outside in time to see the +fading light in the distance. An unconfirmed account by a NASA +employee and friend of the family indicated that the Wallops +Island NASA facility near the event site lost it's radar +capacity in the same time frame.] + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1338.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1338.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2dc183a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1338.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +SUBJECT: SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1338 + + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +LOG #901001 - Event 09/16/90, 7:52 PM, in Salt Lake City, Utau. +Investigators Mildred Biesele and Les Beard. A couple and their +two small children were driving home shortly after sunset when +the wife noticed a large object behind and 30 degrees to their +right, moving rapidly. They stopped and departed the car to +observe. Estimated to be 2000-4000 feet in altitude, the +silver-grey dome disc, with no other distinguishing features, +crossed their path and continued on a straight-line or gentle +arc until out of viewing range. The distance, portion of the +horizon crossed and sighting duration indicate a speed perhaps +in excess of 3000 mph. Duration was estimated as over 30 +seconds. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1339.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1339.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..559f3ecd --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1339.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +SUBJECT: PENSACOLA, FLORIDA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1339 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +LOG #901002 - Event 07/20/90, 1930 hours, in Pensacola, Florida. +Investigator Joe Barron. A couple was driving when they saw a +huge bluish white light in the distance, proceeding away from +them in a gentle arc. Abruptly, the light proceeded downward, +perhaps into the nearby Escambia Bay. The light appeared to be +spherical, larger than any aircraft, and illuminated internally. +The husband is a retired Navy pilot. Duration of the sighting +was 10-15 seconds. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1340.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1340.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..756715fa --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1340.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +SUBJECT: NEW HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1340 + + + Mutual UFO Network - Sighting Report + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +LOG #901006 - Event 07/18/90, 0200 hours, in New Hartford, +Connecticut. Investigator Randy Miles. A woman was lying awake +in bed when she noticed bright flashing lights over her backyard +that illuminated her second-floor bedroom. After a long moment, +she arose and went to the window and confronted smallish, domed +disc 100 feet away and descending over the corner of the lawn. +Circular red, yellow and white lights were positioned around the +bottom rim and flashing. The vehicle maneuvered a few seconds +while never touching down. It then accelerated rapidly and +angularly between two trees and was out of sight in a second. +None of her five dogs outside were aroused. + +Two days later, a hired worker asked her about strange material +on the grass, which she then realized was in the area of the +sighting. After eliminating a lawn care company as being +responsible, the woman reported the incident. The substance, +coating some of the blades of grass, has been submitted for +laboratory analysis. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + **********************************************U.F.O. BBS 720-B LAS ANIMAS AVE. GILROY CA. 95020 USA * + ******************************************************************** diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1341.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1341.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9ae8c310 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1341.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +SUBJECT: HARTSELLE, ALABAMA SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1341 + + + +Message number 2057 in "MUFONET" +Date: 03-07-90 19:57 +From: Jerry Woody +To: John Komar +Subj: Re: Tennessee Sighting Report + +Hi John; +This sounds very similar to a sighting I had in Hartselle a few months ago. I +'ran it up the pole' by writing to some Hartselle Users here on the Frontier +but nothing came of it and I dismissed it as an aircraft. Now I'm not too +sure. +The date, unfortunately, is unknown since I had dropped reporting the object +but probably occured 2-3 months ago. Kathy was driving South on Hwy 31 +through the town of Hartselle in North central Alabama. I was reading a mag +in the passenger side when a metallic reflection directly in front of and up +caught my eye. I glanced up at it and saw a fairly small object vigorously +reflecting sunlight and shaped somewhat like a 'crooked, bent finger'. I +went back to reading when it dawned on me that something wasn't right. It had +no tail section and wasn't going quite right for a normal plane. Too much +reflection like it was rotating, spinning, etc. I looked back up just to see +the object apparently turn. The metallic reflection was replaced by a small +dark circle which in a space of 2 seconds closed in on itself and the entire +object disappeared. +This occured app. 3pm. Sky was sunny with some high Cirrostratus in the +Western Sky. I estimate the object height at 2500 to 3000 feet. Jet aircraft +contrails was observed at app. 10000 ft. + where the condensation level was. +This object created no contrail and was certainly no small light plane. The +object was observed for a total of perhaps 10 secs. The sky was clear and +blue in the background and when it disappeared it left without a trace. +Jerry. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1342.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1342.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6a40102f --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1342.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: SAUCER SPOTTED OVER INDIANA FILE: UFO1342 + + +From the Las Vegas Review-Journal, April 28, 1948 + + "SAUCER" SOARS OVER INDIANA + +MICHIGAN CITY, Ind., April 28 (UP) - An amatuer radio operator +said that the pilot of a private plane had reported having seen +a "flying disk" sailing over this city today. + + The radio operator, Floyd Zerber, said he was listening to a +conversation between a pilot who identified himself a Leon A. +Faber, Sandwich, Ill., and amatuers on the ground in this area. +"Hey, there's one of those flying discs", Zerber said Faber +exclaimed. He said that Faber reported he was flying 145 miles +an hour at an altitude of 3,000 feet over the Indiana state +prison on a flight from Peoria, Ill. to Lansing, Mich. + + "Wait a minute, what have you been drinking," Faber was asked, +according to Zerber. + + "I'm serious," said Farber. "It looks like a big aluminum disc +and it's spinning very fast. It can't be a weather ballon because +it's headed east against the wind and it's moving too fast." + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1343.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1343.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8d21ac0c --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1343.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +SUBJECT: SIGHTING REPORTS FOR APRIL 1989 FILE: UFO1343 + + + + April 1989 UFO Reports + +4/04 PENSACOLA, FL. EVEN CE2 Single witness + Wit. felt energy, saw ball of lite, car radio effected. No sd. 7 sec. +4/04 PACE, FL. XXXX XX XXXXXXX + No details. Under investigation. +4/04 KIMBAL, S.D. 8:15 PM NL Multiple witness + Several reports of flaming object which maneuvered. Not aircraft. +4/05 PLAINFILED, IN. 3:00 AM CE2 Two witnesses + "Gulf Breeze" type object with lights. No sound. +4/05 CANTONMENT, FL. 11:00 PM NL Two witnesses + 15 to 20 discs. No sound. Duration 5 minutes. +4/09 ST. PETERSBURG, FL. 3:05 PM CE1 Two witnesses + Seven disc-shaped craft, 5 to 10 ft. in diameter with a reddish glow + on the underside, moving in a tight "V" formation. Estimated altitude + 500 ft. Approached from SE, passed overhead, then went N. No sound. +4/11 MIDWAY, FL. XXXX XX XXXXX + No details. Under investiagtion. +4/12 WEBSTER, MA. 11:00 AM CE2 Single witness + (At Lake Chaubunagungamouga) Circular shaped craft, 12 to 15 ft. in + diameter, four to five ft. thick, dark brown or black in color. Wit- + saw bubbles/boiling on lake. Watched 8 to 12 seconds then saw object + ascend from water and shoot straight up into sky and out of sight. + No sound. Police called. Witness deemed credible. +4/13 EUGENE, OR. 10:30 PM CE1 Single witness + While riding his motorcycle in a rural area the witness spotted two + bright objects in the sky. One appeared to be about 2000ft. above + the ground, the other just above the roadway. Both were stationary. + He drove under the one over the road and stopped the bike. He looked + up and saw a triangular-shaped craft about 30 ft. in diameter with + brilliant white lights about 25 to 30 ft. above his head. After 15 min- + utes the craft moved quickly to the south. +4/17 GULF BREEZE, FL. 10:00 PM NL Nine witnesses + Lights observed with binoculars. Probably stars. No sound. 3 hrs. +4/18 GULF BREEZE, FL. 10:00 PM NL Six witnesses + Probably stars. +4/19 JACKSON, CA. 8:30 AM CE1 Two witnesses + Square-shaped object with a red dome on top with silver disc-shaped + object about 3 ft. in diameter attached to each side, (the diameter + of each side was equal to the diameter of the disc), with a 20 ft. + long silver rod hanging from the bottom, seen by pilot and passenger + of small plane. +4/19 PANORA, IA. 10:35 PM CE1 Two witnesses + Oval-shaped object, "as big as an airliner" with many colored lights + passed within 200 ft. of witnesses. After passing overhead the ob- + ject changed course and came to a stop over an open field. It then + launched two red lights which descended to the ground. It was under + observation for approximately 30 minutes. No sound was heard. +4/20 WESTCHESTER CO., NY. 10:30 PM CE1 Two witnesses + Semi-circular solid object about 4 xs larger than a 747 with seven + "big, big lights". Watched for about 10 minutes in a stationary + position before moving away toward New York City. Three other adults + riding in a car on Route 684 near Bedford (same county) witnessed simi- + lar object. +4/21 CRESTVIEW, FL. 9:15 PM CE2 Single witness + 90 ft. diameter disc with light beam. Humming sound. 2 minutes. +4/22 ST. LOUIS, MO. 9:22 PM CE1 Two witnesses + Blk. saucer w/orange turret & stripe, 150ft of wit. "Whish" sd. 30 sec. +4/24 SEVILLE, OH. 2:30 PM CE1 Single witness + Octagon-shaped object, gold in color, three to four ft. in diameter + on the ground in neighbors field. After watching it for two minutes + the object ascended slightly and moved to within 300 ft. of witnesses + house. Craft then moved back to original position and moved about. + After about 7 minutes object ascended and moved out of sight. No sound. +4/25 WARRINGTON, FL. XXXXX NL Two witnewsses + Oval shaped UFO. No sound. +4/27 GULF BREEZE, FL. 9:30 PM NL Single witness + Sounds like bright star except for initial high speed. No sound. 30 min. + +The preceeding courtesy of: + +Barbara Becker, UFO RESEARCH NETWORK, P.O. Box 19744, St. Louis, MO. 63144 +Fran Ridge, UFO FILTER CTR., 618 Davis Dr., Mt. Vernon, IN. 47620 +Bob Gribble, PHENOMENA RESEARCH, P.O. 1807, Seattle, WA. 98111 + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1344.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1344.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..59424e47 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1344.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +SUBJECT: 11/85 SIGHTING IN BERGEN, NJ. FILE: UFO1344 + + +report #: 1 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-20-1985 + Subject: NORTH BERGEN, NEW JERSEY + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NOCTURNAL LIGHTS + DATE: 5 OCTPBER 1985 + TIME: 2015 + CFN#: 0127 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +---------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED OBSERVING 4 LARGE LIGHTS MANEUVERING AROUND EACH OTHER IN +THE NIGHT SKY. THE DISTANCE FROM THE WITNESS TO THE LIGHTS ARE UNKNOWN. THE +DURATION OF THIS SIGHTING IS ALSO UNKNOWN +---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1345.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1345.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d56c6ade --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1345.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN SANTA MONICA, CA. FILE: UFO1345 + + +Report #: 2 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-20-1985 + Subject: SANTA MONICA, CALIF + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NOCTURNAL LIGHT + DATE: 14 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2048 HOURS + CFN#: 0128 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +---------------------------------------- +SIX WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING A LARGE OBJECT IN THE WESTERN SKY. THE +WITNESSES SAID THAT THE OBJECT APPEARED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FLUORESCENT +LIGHTING ON IT. THE DISTANCE OF THE OBJECT IS UNKNOWN THE DURATION IS ALSO +UNKNOWN. +---------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1346.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1346.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..db422ed4 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1346.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,24 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN KERMAN, CA. FILE: UFO1346 + + + Report #: 3 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: KERMAN, CALIF + +CASE TYPE: CE I - DAYLIGHT SIGHTING + DATE: 15 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1213 HOURS + CFN#: 0129 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +-------------------------------------------- +ONE WITNESS REPORTED SIGHTING A VERY LARGE OBJECT AT A HIGH ALTITUDE. THE +WITNESS SAID THAT THE OBJECT WAS MOVING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED. THE WITNESS +SAID THAT THE OBJECT LOOKED LIKE A WHITE BALL. HE ALSO SAID THAT THE OBJECT +DID NOT LEAVE A VAPOR TRAIL. THE WITNESS DID NOT DETECT ANY SOUND COMING FROM +THE OBJECT. THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING AS 15 TO 20 SECONDS. +------------------------------------------ + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1347.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1347.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0cff4b7a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1347.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN GRAND RAPIDS, MI. FILE: UFO1347 + + +Report #: 4 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 16 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 1600 HOURS + CFN#: 0130 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +--------------------------------------- +TWO WITNESSES REPORTED OBSERVING FOUR GROUPS OF THREE LIGHTS MANEUVERING IN +THE NIGHT SKY. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THEY DETECTED A LOW BUZZING SOUND. +THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE OBJECTS WERE GOING NORTH TO SOUTH ON A COURSE +DIRECTLY OVER HEAD.THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS +ONLY ABOUT 5 TO 6 MIN. +-------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1348.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1348.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..8f06c2ae --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1348.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN PORT ORCHARD, WA. FILE: UFO1348 + + + Report #: 5 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: PORT ORCHARD, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 16 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 0143 HOURS + CFN#: 0131 + SOURCE: NAT'T UFO REPORTING CENTER +--------------------------------------- +A WITNESS REPORTED SIGHTING TWO FAST MOVING LIGHTS IN THE SKY. THE WITNESS +SAID THAT THE LIGHTS APPEARED TO BE SHOOTING BEAMS OF LIGHT FROM THEM. +THE WITNESS SAID THE LIGHTS SHOOTING FROM THE LIGHTS WERE YELLOW AND RED +IN COLOR. THE WITNESS SAID ALSO THAT THE LIGHTS WERE MOVING AT A VERY - FAST +RATE OF SPEED. HE ALSO SAID THE LIGHTS WERE ON A COURSE GOING SOUTH TO NORTH. +THE DURATION OF THIS SIGHTING WAS ABOUT 30 SECONDS. +-------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1349.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1349.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..cf6a4ca6 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1349.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN NORWALK, CONN. FILE: UFO1349 + + + Report #: 6 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 10-21-1985 + Subject: NORWALK, CONN + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 17 OCTOBER 1985 + TIME: 2045 HOURS + CFN#: 0132 + SOURCE: NAT'L UFO REPORTING CENTER +--------------------------------------- +20 WITNESSES OBSERVED 15 TO 20 LIGHTS IN A LOOSE V FORMATION. THE LIGHTS IN +THE FORMATION APPEARED TO MOVE AROUND EACH OTHER. WHEN THE FORMATION WAS +HALF WAY ACROSS THE NIGHT SKY ONE OF THE LIGHTS APPEARED TO BREAK OUT OF +THE V FORMATION AND LEAVE AT A VERY HIGH RATE OF SPEED. WITNESSES THEN +DETECTED A LOW RUMBLING SOUND. THE ALTITUDE OF THIS MOVING V FORMATION +WAS ESTIMATED TO BE VERY LOW. THE WITNESSES SAID THAT THEY FIRST SIGHTED THE +FORMATION IN THE EASTERN SKY. WITNESSES SAID THE FORMATION WAS GOING WEST TO +EAST.THE WITNESSES SAID THE DURATION OF THE SIGHTING WAS APPROXIMATELY 10 +MINUTES. +-------------------------------------- + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1350.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1350.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4a2e0e49 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1350.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +SUBJECT: 03/87 SIGHTING IN WAUKESHA, WI. FILE: UFO1350 + + + Report #: 225 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 05-12-1987 + Subject: WAUKESHA, WI + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 10 MARCH 1987 + TIME: 22:45 HOURS + CFN#: 0234 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: FREEMAN, WAUKESHA, WI 3/12/87 +-------------------------------------------- +Second UFO reported in city area. + +Waukesha - An unidentified flying object was spotted late Tuesday night by a +woman on the city's east side in the same area a similar sighting was reported +in November. + +The woman's husband reported the UFO because he said his wife was slighty +embarrassed to talk about what she saw. The husband said as the woman pull +into her driveway near the corner of Arcadian and Oakland avenues at about +10:45 p.m., she spotted a triangular object with red and white lights hovering +in the air less than a mile to the northeast. + +The woman beeped the horn of her car to alert husdand, but by the time he got +outside, the object was out of sight. A UFO matching the same general +description, was sighted by a motorist in the area Nov. 24. "She's convinced +it wasn't a plan or a helicopter, said the husband, who did not want to be +identified. + +Area law officers and airports reported nothing unusual Tuesday night, and the +Wisconsin National Guard and Army Reserve said they had no helicopters in +flight in the area at that time. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1351.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1351.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..725a7715 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1351.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +SUBJECT: CUFON UFO SIGHTING REPORT FILE: UFO1351 + + +Report #: 196 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-01-1986 + Subject: BURIEN, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 30 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0155 HOURS + CFN#: 0318 + DURATION: 30 - 45: SECONDS +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: CUFON - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE +------------------------------------------- + +John Williams of KIRO television called CUFON - UFO Information Service with a +report that he had received from a witness near Burien, WA. The witness +reported seeing some kind of object in the southern sky coming at him with +smoke coming out the back of it and appeared to break apart. There was one +light and it then broke off in like 4-5 different off shoots with smoke on +each one. The witness and his mom with several others said it appeared to be +a parachute that went right over their heads, but it was moving very very +quickly. The metal object with a parachute on it went over their heads and +the other off shoot pieces went in different directions. What appeared to +be a parachute the witness did not think was as it went over his head very +very fast. John Williams also stated that after receiving the report he +called the Sea-Tac duty officer at FAA and he said that it could have been in +cloud lightning because there were no military aircraft in the area at that +time. + +CUFON - UFO Information Service then called the witness to get his direct +report. The witness stated that he was over at his parents when he saw a +bright light coming out of the south. He thought it was one of the lights +from a jet coming into the airport at first as they are right by the airport, +but realized it couldn't be because the Sea-Tac Burien airport would be +farther to the east. Then his mom came out and he pointed it out and her +description of it was the best, she described it as a sparkler where you are +looking at the center of it with smoke coming off it. As the bright light +started dimming you could still see the smoke. It seemed to break up and he +lost track of all the other pieces save one. It looked as if they had flown +off it. The one big piece came sailing out and it looked like a parachute +with something on the end of it heading from south to north slightly northeast +over their heads at what seemed like an incredible velocity. It looked, shape +wise, like a parachute. The fact that it seemed to be going so fast made him +think it had to be some kind of space craft or something. He never saw it +descend, it just shot across the sky. Observation was 30-45 seconds. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1352.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1352.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6b5a7003 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1352.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +SUBJECT: 11/86 SIGHTING IN CULVER CITY, CA. FILE: UFO1352 + + + Report #: 197 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-01-1986 + Subject: CULVER CITY, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 21 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2340 - 2345 HOURS + CFN#: 0319 + DURATION: 05-07: MINUTES +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: CUFON - UFO INFORMATION SERVICE +------------------------------------------- + +One witness reported seeing over her street, LaSalle, an object that the nose +of it looked like a boomerang with a pyramid bottom. It was a very windy and +particularly clear night and when she looked to the north she saw a formation +coming towards her and her first impression was that it was a flock of birds +and then as it got closer it looked like a formation of stars. They had a +luminous glow to them and they didn't look like head lamps or anything like +that. As it came closer she noticed there were more lights going across the +bottom of it like a stingray - solid at least underneath and she could not see +through it. As it came towards her the lights shut off in the center and only +the outline was left on. Stayed there for about 5-7 minutes watching. As it +came over her it went further up in the sky and it was weird as no light in +the belly of it but she could see a formation of it and what it looked like +but it kept fading in and out. The lights in the front of the object stayed +on, no noise. The object was much larger than any plane she has ever seen +from wing to wing. A boomerang has very wide angles from one end to the other +as the object did also, and the nose of the object was not sharp. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1353.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1353.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..03c1eea0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1353.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +SUBJECT: 07/86 WITNESS SEES AIRCRAFT EXPLODE IN AIR FILE: UFO1353 + + + Report #: 198 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: BAKERSFIELD, CA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 12 JULY 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0320 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: MERCURY NEWS, SAN JOSE, CA +-------------------------------------- + +REDONDO BEACH - Andy Hoyt admits he has no proof - not anymore, at least - +that he witnessed the crash of an aircraft that may be the Pentagon's most +carefully guarded secret. + + His sister, Lisa, and her 16-year-old son, Joey, reportedly also saw the +plane, but both declined to discuss the alleged incident. Hoyt, an unemployed +Redondo Beach carpenter, says he snapped photographs of the plane as it +plummeted to the ground in the Sequoia National Forest near Bakersfield. + + But the photographs were given to the Air Force, Hoyt says, and the Air +Force isn't talking. + + Defense experts, however, say Hoyt's description of what he claims he saw +that night fits the most educated guesses of the configuration of the top +secret F-19 stealth fighter - a plane the Air Force will not confirm even +exists. + + In a scenario that sounds like a science fiction movie, Hoyt says he and two +relatives saw something drop out of the sky and explode into flames on the +other side of a hill about a half-mile away. + + "It seemed like it was something other than an airplane, said Hoyt, 26, who +was on a camping trip. "Believe it or not, I thought it was a UFO." + + Whatever it was, he says, the military has been treating him royally since +he called Edwards Air Force Base when he returned home the following Sunday +evening and told the Air Force about the photographs. + + Hoyt says he and his party were driving east on state Highway 178 about 15 +miles northeast of Bakersfiled in the early morning hours of July 12 when they +pulled over for a brief rest. He was just climbing back into his truck when +he saw it. + + "All I saw were three red lights and a dark image behind them like an +upside-down triangle." Hoyt said, adding that each light was at a point of +the triangle. He said he pulled a camera from the dashboard of the truck and +managed to take two or three pictures before the plane disappeared over the +hill. + + Then, a pair of explosions "lit up the sky like it was daylight out." + + Contrary to published reports on the day of the accident, Hoyt says, the +aircraft did not explode before it crashed. At least one Air Force source has +been quoted as saying plane exploded in midair, which could explain why the +pilot, who was killed, was not able to eject safetly. + + "It was definitely not on fire when it came down," Hoyt said. "Why couldn't +the guy eject?" + + After making sure the blaze was reported on an emergency roadside phone, the +party continued to its campground north of nearby Lake Isabella. + + His call to Edwards upon returning home brought a sudden response from the +Air Force, Hoyt says. "They took my name and number and within an hour +someone had flown down here and talked to me," he said. + + "They didn't press me, but they wanted to see the film in my camera." + + The next day, the Air Force officers took Hoyt, his sister and nephew to +Hawthorne Municpal Airport, where they flew them to a command post a few miles +from the crash site, he says. The visitors were treated to lunch, then driven +back up the mountain road where Hoyt said he saw the crash. + + "They wanted to know what the angle was when it came down," he said. "They +used some tool to measure something after we pointed at the spot." + + After developing the film in Hoyt's camera, he says, the Air Force returned +two sets of enlarged prints of the family camping trip - minus the frames +that could have shown the descending aircraft. + + An Air Force officer who interviewed Hoyt and his relatives asked them not +to talk to anyone about what they saw, "but said he couldn't force me," he +said. + + The Air Force will confirm only that a plane crashed, killing its pilot. It +refuses to divulge what kind of aircraft, the base from which it took off or +its mission. + + Military guards armed with M-16 rifles have sealed off a large area around +the crash site. + + Back home in Redondo Beach, Hoyt says he feels a bit bewildered by all the +attention his claims have brought. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1354.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1354.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d149f9ec --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1354.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +SUBJECT: 09/86 SIGHTING IN GRANDVIEW, WA. FILE: UFO1354 + + + Report #: 200 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: GRANDVIEW, WA + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 4 & 7 SEPTEMBER 1986 + TIME: 0400, 2230 HOURS + CFN#: 0322 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: HERALD, GRANDVIEW, WA +--------------------------------- + + Grandview residents were among several people who reported seeing +unidentified flying objects on Thursday morning and Sunday evening. + + On Thursday, a Wapato policeman was the first to spot a UFO, about 4 a.m. +The object travelled slowly, and was last seen near Prosser about 6 a.m. It +was described as large and changed colors. Although small in the night sky, +it was larger than a star or planet. + + An object brighter than a planet was spotted over the Rattlesnake Hills, +north of Grandview, on Sunday evening about 10:30 p.m. It changed colors +rapidly. A witness described it as alternating red and green, and a ray of +light seemed to be coming out the bottom. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1355.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1355.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2f893b5d --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1355.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +SUBJECT: 08/86 SIGHTING IN WINCHESTER, KY. FILE: UFO1355 + + + Report #: 201 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: WINCHESTER, KY + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 12 AUGUST 1986 + TIME: 2100 TO 2200 HOURS + CFN#: 0323 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: SUN, WINCHESTER, KY +------------------------------- + + Although authorities don't have any answers yet, an anonymous caller to the +Winchester Police Department Wednesday may provide some clues to the cause of +a bright flashing light and house-shaking boom many county residents reported +Tuesday night. + + Clark County Sheriff Gary Lawson, whose department is investigating the +incident, said the caller said "that he did shoot off a Class B fireworks +left over from the Fourth of July... It was a rocket-type firework that could +go one to two miles in the air and then explode." + + Lawson said the caller said he had the explosive in his home and was afraid +to keep it there any longer and that he "didn't mean to alarm anybody." + + Several residents along the Flanagan Station Road said that between 9 and 10 +p.m. Tuesday they heard a boom, like an explosion. Some saw a bright flashing +light and others reported smelling strong odors, much like gun powder. + + Rumors began Wednesday that a meteor had fallen in the area, that an air- +plane had crashed or that a B-52 aircraft had caused the strange light and +sound. It was reported that a meteorite or perhaps a piece of a Japanese +satalite had been tracked by radar down the eastern coastline and into Clark +County. People jokingly suggested that UFOs had landed or that the Russians +were invading. + + Lawson and other members of his department searched the area in the +southeastern Clark County on foot and covered a 40 square mile area by air, +but could find nothing. + + "We were flying about 2,000 feet up and had a pretty good view, but we +couldn't see anything unusual," he said. + + This morning the incident remained a mystery. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1356.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1356.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..331b9595 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1356.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +SUBJECT: 11/86 SIGHTING IN TALLADEGA, AL. FILE: UFO1356 + + + Report #: 202 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-10-1986 + Subject: TALLADEGA, AL + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 10 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: UNKNOWN + CFN#: 0324 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: DAILY HOME, TALLADEGA, AL +------------------------------------- + + A red glowing light with a tail that flared across the sky in the southeast +prompted searches in several states for traces of a possible meteor or other +space object, but no remants have been found, authorities said Tuesday. + + The flashing light was spotted about sunset Monday over parts of Tennessee, +Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi as it streaked westward, and aviation +officials said it was probably a meteor. + + Maj. Walter Chipchase, a spokesman for the North American Air Defense +Command, said the light was not believe to be a disintegrating rocket or +satellite. + + "NORAD did not detect any rocket body or space debris re-entering the +atmosphere," he said. + + Sgt. Ray Williams, a spokesman for Eglin Air Force Base in Fort Walton, +Beach, Fla., also said no weather balloons or flights were launched from the +base at the time the light was seen. + + Although authorities said the object likely burned in the atmosphere +hundreds of miles from Earth, some local officials looked for fragments in +fields and other areas where residents reported sightings. + + Joe Keltch, a deputy with the Rhea County Sheriff's Department in East +Tennessee, said he scoured an area near Graysville where a caller told +authorities something had fallen out of the sky. + + "We got a report that it might have been a piece of a plane," he said. "We +looked around and didn't find anything." + + An area near Ducktown in the southeastern corner of Tennessee also was +checked, but no debris was found, said Polk County sheriff's dispatcher Edna +Wilcox. "So far, we haven't seen or heard anything," she said. + + Searches also were conducted in Fannin County in northern Georgia, Cullman +County in northern Alabama and other areas as hundreds of calls were made to +airports and local authorities but no one turned up any evidence of the +object, officials said. + + "There were reports that it was a fireball falling out of the sky, a downed +plane, a possible satellite explosion...or a shooting star." said Gene Jones, +director of the Gilmer County (Ga.) Emergency Management Agency. "Apparently +it was a meteorite entering the atmosphere." + + Curley Wainwright, traffic control supervisor at McGhee Tyson Airport in +Knoxville, Tenn., said the light had "quite a red glow and a tail behind it" +when he saw it behind some clouds. + + Other sightings were reported in eastern Mississippi around Meridian, +Birmingham and Montgomery in Alabama and Morristown and Chattanooga in +Tennessee. + + Jones said chances of finding any pieces of the object were slim. + + "A meteorite could be the size of a pin-point to a bowling ball," Jones +said. "It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It may have landed +on the ground, but where, God knows." + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1357.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1357.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..97e0878e --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1357.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +SUBJECT: 11/86 JAPAN AIRLINE UFO REPORT FILE: UFO1357 + + + Report #: 203 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 12-31-1986 + Subject: ANCHORAGE, AK + +CASE TYPE: RV * + DATE: 17 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 18:19 HOURS + CFN#: 0325 + DURATION: 20:MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL +------------------------------------------- + +ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A mysterious unidentified flying object with flashing +white and yellow strobe lights followed a Japan Air Lines cargo jet across the +Arctic Circle, the crew says. + +The three-man crew radioed air traffic controllers in Anchorage that a huge +UFO was flying "in formation" with them and the Air Force briefly confirmed +and object near the plane, said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Paul +Steucke. + +He said the FAA in Anchorage and Fairbanks did not pick up the object. The +incident occurred Nov.17 but was not made public earlier. + +Flight 1628 had left Reykjavik, Iceland, flying over the North Pole to Tokyo +with a stop in Anchorage. When it landed at Anchorage, FAA security manager +Jim Derry interviewed the pilot, Co-pilot and flight engineer. When the +report was made to the Air Route Traffic Control Center at 6:19 p.m., Steucke +said controllers tried to find the object on radar but "were unable to comfirm +a second target with our equipment." + +At 6:26 p.m. Steucke said the Air Force told the FAA it "saw a second target +(object) 8 miles away (from the JAL jet) but they contacted us a minute later +and said they were no longer receiving any radar return (of a second object)." + +Steucke added, "At 6:32 the JAL pilot requested and received permission for a +descent from 35,000 feet to 31,000." Air controllers asked if the lights were +still there, and were told, "It is descending in formation." At 6:39 p.m.,20 +minutes after the lights first reported, the JAL crew said it no longer saw +the lights. + +At 6:45 p.m. Fairbanks controllers authorized a United Airlines northbound jet +to make a 10 degree turn to better view the JAL plane and asked the United +crew if it saw anything besides the Boeing 747. It did not. Nor did the JAL +crew see the lights again. + + Report #: 205 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-11-1987 + Subject: ANCHORAGE, AK + +CASE TYPE: RV - RADAR VISUAL + DATE: 17 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 1819 HOURS + CFN#: 0327 + DURATION: 20: MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL +-------------------------------------- + +FAA says UFO on radar screen was just a double image of jet + +United Press International + +ANCHORAGE - Federal investigators say a review of radar tapes failed to show a +UFO shadowing a Japan Air Lines cargo jet, contradicting reports made by the +crew and the air-traffic controller who handled the plane. + + The Federal Aviation Administration's examination of the tapes shows what +appears to be a second object near JAL Flight 1628 on Nov. 17, but +investigators now think it is a double image from the Boeing 747, FAA spokes- +man Paul Steucke said yesterday. + + On Dec. 29 the FAA released details of the UFO sighting, revealing the +flight controller handling the jet saw an object on radar five miles from the +plane. The Anchorage Air Route Traffice Control Center directed the crew to +take evasive maneuvers, including a 4,000-foot drop and a 360 degree turn. + + Co-pilot Takanori Tamefuji, 39, said yesterday he did not know why the FAA +first confirmed a nearby object and now dismisses it as an image of the 747. + + In his second interview with the FAA Tuesday, Tamefuji reiterated that he +saw lights, and Steucke said, "The co-pilot's testimony supported the +pilot's." + + Although the FAA is satisfied with the double-image explanation, the inquiry +is continuing with interviews of the crew and a review of data, Steucke said. + + Steucke said the pilot, co-pilot and flight engineer have told the same +story: Blinking yellow, amber and green lights appeared too close to their +plane for comfort. + + The FAA says the controller apparently misinterpreted what he saw on his +screen. But Steucke defended the controller's response, saying, "He had a +pilot tell him he was seeing something right there. This is not something +where he can take a risk even if it is a double image." + + The radar image seen in the JAL cockpit and by the controller also appeared +intermittently on Air Force radar. Air Force spokesmen dismissed it as +"random clutter." + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1358.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1358.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..da330c41 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1358.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/85 SIGHTING IN HARRISBURG, PA. FILE: UFO1358 + + + Report #: 204 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-11-1987 + Subject: HARRISBURG, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 1ST WEEK OCTOBER, 1985 + TIME: 0515 HOURS + CFN#: 0326 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE +-------------------------------------- + +Witness got up around 4:15 - 5:15 a.m. to go to restroom and saw an object +over her home that covered five other homes as well. The object was huge, +pure white and had no lights. The object was the shape of a saucer and +rotating. Even though the object was bright (brighter than any object she +had ever seen) it did not hurt her eyes to look at it. She had no fear and +wanted to run out of her home and stand underneath the object but felt +paralyzed. The object did return and her 12 year old son was able to see it. +Since the incident she has had visions which she did not experience prior to +the sighting of the object. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1359.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1359.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..358330b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1359.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN WASHINGTON, PA. FILE: UFO1359 + + + Report #: 206 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-12-1987 + Subject: WASHINGTON, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 6 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 20:10 HOURS + CFN#: 0328 + DURATION: 12:MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: PASU - STAN GORDON, DIR. +-------------------------------------------- + +Two witnesses reported observing a bright triangular object in the night sky. + +They said the object was gold in color, with three bright red lights non- +blinking, one in each carner. + +The witnesses stated, that the object hovered for approximately ten minutes +before moving off to the north. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1360.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1360.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2d463d17 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1360.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +SUBJECT: ANOTHER JAL FLIGHT SEES UFO FILE: UFO1360 + + + Report #: 207 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-12-1987 + Subject: ANCHORAGE, AK + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 11 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 07:35 HOURS + CFN#: 0329 + DURATION: 30:MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: FAA ALASKA DISTRICT - PAUL STEUCKE +------------------------------------------------- +SPECIAL RELEASE: 2nd Alaska UFO Sighting + +CUFON 01/12 + +Another Japanese Airlines crew has reported seeing an Unidentified Flying +Object ( UFO ) over Alaska, according to the FAA. + +In a recorded announcement, Paul Steucke, Senior Federal Aviation +Administrator for the Alaska District, said that on January 11th at +approximately 7:35 AM, Capt. Kinju Teryaki, piloting a JAL 747 cargo plane +from Europe to Anchorage, reported to the FAA Air Route Traffic Control Certer +(ARTCC) that he saw irregular lights that "looked like a spaceship". + +The lights were, he said, "amber and white, and travelled from in front of him +to below him, and disappeared behind him." + +The sighting was in two segments, the first for about 20 minutes, and the +second occured a little later for approximately 10 minutes. Unlike the +November 17th sighting reported by another JAL cargo jet, there was no radar +contact by either ground or air-based facilities, "Steucke said". + +The FAA began interviewing both the captain and co-pilot upon their landing at +Anchorage, he said. Steucke made the recording as an alternative to answering +an unmanageable volume of phone calls,which have been pouring into the Alaska +FAA district since the November 17th sighting was made public on January 1st. +According to Steucke,the data from that sighting , voice recorder transcripts, +radar tapes and interviews, are being sent to the FAA headquarters in +Washington DC as are the data from the January 11th sighting. + +"The Federal Aviation Administration is not in the business of looking for or +identifying UFO's", he said. "We are involved in investigating these reports +because the lights violated our federal regulations, as humorous , as that may +sound." + +Steucke's recording will be heard in its entirety tonight on KFYI AM 910, +Phoenix, Arizona on the John Giese show , beginning at 1am. Giese will then +interview Seattle Ufologist Dale Goudie, who is involved in the JAL UFO +investigation. Mr. goudie will also be on CBS once again this friday night on +CBS Nightwatch Jan 16/1987 concerning iboth sighting of the japanese +airliners. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1361.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1361.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..677a50c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1361.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +SUBJECT: 11/86 SIGHTING IN CALIFORNIA/OREGON FILE: UFO1361 + + + Report #: 208 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-18-1987 + Subject: CALIFORNIA-OREGON + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 25 NOVEMBER 1986 + TIME: 2022 HOURS + CFN#: 0330 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: ARKANSAS GAZETTE, LITTLE ROCK, AR +--------------------------------------------- + +ARKANSAS GAZETTE, Little Rock, AR - +Nov. 26, 1986 + +Fireball not man-made, experts say + + Defense experts Tuesday eliminated "space junk or any man-made object" as an +explanation for a mysterious meteoric fireball that streaked across the +Pacific Coast. + + The object, sighted at 8:22 p.m. (CST) Monday, dazzled stargazers from the +California-Oregon border to the Los Angeles area. + + "It looked like a long, green meteor but it lasted way too long, arcing +across the sky toward the ocean, then it just blew up," Roy Jackson of +Mountain View, Cal., said. + + "It wasn't space junk or any man-made object re-entering the atmosphere, and +we don't track meteors," Del Kindschi of the North American Aerospace Defense +Command at Denver said. "We heard about it but there weren't any satellites +or man-made space objects entering the atmosphere at that time." (UPI) + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1362.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1362.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4c18b6b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1362.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +SUBJECT: 10/86 SIGHTING IN CLEVELAND, OH. FILE: UFO1362 + + + Report #: 209 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-18-1987 + Subject: CLEVELAND, OH. + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 26 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 1800 HOURS + CFN#: 0331 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: PLAIN DEALER, CLEVELAND, OH. +---------------------------------------- + +PLAIN DEALER, Cleveland, OH - Oct. 27, +1986 CR: B. Robbins/COUD-I + +Explosion over lake reported; search on + + Two Coast Guard boats searched last night for debris after two people said +they saw an explosion over Lake Erie, off Euclid. + + About 6 p.m. a resident of Euclid high-rise near E. 260th St. reported +seeing an explosion in the air over the lake. The woman said she saw smoke +and debris falling into the lake. + + Coast Guard officials called Federal Aviation Administration controllers and +airports last night to see whether any planes had been reported missing. None +were. + + An official at the Cuyahoga County Airport in Richmond Heights also reported +seeing a bright light descending from the sky about the same time, the Coast +Guard said. + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1363.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1363.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..90f60f05 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1363.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN SARATOGA, CA. FILE: UFO1363 + + +Report #: 210 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-18-1987 + Subject: SARATOGA, CA. + +CASE TYPE: LRS - NL + DATE: 14 OCTOBER 1986 + TIME: 2015 - 2030 HOURS + CFN#: 0332 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: FIFTEEN + SOURCE: MERCURY NEWS, SAN JOSE, CA +-------------------------------------- + +MERCURY NEWS, San Jose, CA - Oct. 23, +1986 + +Mystery lights return to Saratoga + +By Kathy Holub +Mercury News Staff Writer + + + A beautiful apparition has been glowing in the night sky over Saratoga, +leaving viewers baffled and entranced. + + About 15 people, all agog, called Santa Clara County dispatchers on Tuesday +night to report a mysterious bright red light that hovered in the sky from +8:15 to 8:30 and then disappeared. + + Dozens of callers described a similar phenomenon on Oct. 16, same time, same +place. + + "It was very exciting," said Maureen Denton of Los Gatos, who watched last +week's display during a break in her real estate class at West Valley College. + + "It was very bright, much larger than the lights you see on airplanes. At +one point, something burning or flickering dropped from it. It was just a +tiny little flicker that came down. We all went: `Oooh, what was that?'" + + No one seems to know. + + That includes Vicki Yauger of Saratoga, who spied the object Tuesday night +while lounging with her husband in their backyard spa. + + Yauger said the light appeared high in the northwestern sky, first moving +toward them, then away. + + Through her binoculars, the apparition became a cluster of lights. + + "It was scary. When it started getting larger, it seemed to be coming +down," she said. + + Yauger didn't see the object fade from view because she had just gone into +the house. Her husband told her the light turned green and slowly +disappeared. + + Spokesmen at Moffett Field Naval Air Station said nothing flew out of their +airfield Tuesday that looked like that. And officials at Vandenberg Air Force +Base in Lompoc said they didn't launch a thing Tuesday night. Ditto for Oct. +15. + + Other watchers of the night sky - air traffic controllers and astronomers +at Lick Observatory - said they saw nothing unusual. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1364.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1364.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0a78fc10 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1364.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN ARNOLD CITY, PA. FILE: UFO1364 + + + Report #: 211 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-24-1987 + Subject: ARNOLD CITY, PA + +CASE TYPE: LRS + DATE: 21 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 22:00 HOURS + CFN#: 0333 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: UNKNOWN + SOURCE: PASU - STAN GORDON +--------------------------------------------- +UFO Sighting report from PASU. +AREA of report Arnold City, Fayette County,PA + +Witnesses reported observing a flying object. They described the object as +very bright and said that the object was shaped like an oval. + +the witnesses said that the object had a red and blue glow to it. They also +stated that the UFO or object had a tapered down tail another words a +structure towards the back of the object. This case is being investigated by +PASU. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1365.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1365.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1062e96a --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1365.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN GIGHARBOR, WA. FILE: UFO1365 + + +Report #: 212 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-24-1987 + Subject: GIGHARBOR, WA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 23 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 21:30 HOURS + CFN#: 0334 + DURATION: 3:MINUTES +WITNESSES: THREE + SOURCE: UFO INFORMATION SERVICE +---------------------------------------- +At 9:45 P.M. the UFO Information Service in Seattle Washington received a +report of a UFO sighting that took place at Gighorbor, which is in the State +of Wash. + +Three Witnesses reported observing a UFO Unidentified Flying Object. They +Stated that they first noticed the object hovering over some houses. + +The witnesses said the ufo or object was oval shaped and said the color of the +object was blue. They stated when the ufo let the area it went straight up and +out of sight from them. They also stated that there was "no sequel to any +movement that the object made". This could be the same object that was +reported in Arnold, city, PA case number CFN#:0333 because the object in both +cases was oval shaped and in both cases the object was blue. Interesting also +is the duration in both cases of 3 minutes. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1366.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1366.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..85a53d52 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1366.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN BELLEVILLE, WI. FILE: UFO1366 + + + Report #: 214 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 01-31-1987 + Subject: BELLEVILLE, WI + +CASE TYPE: LRS - POSSIBLE - RV + DATE: 15 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 21:OO HOURS + CFN#: 0336 + DURATION: 06:HOURS +WITNESSES: MANY + SOURCE: AP - BELLEVILLE, WI +---------------------------------------------------- +A Belleville patrolman's sighting of strange lights in the night sky is under +investigation by a ufo study group, the police chief said monday. officer +Glen Kazmar reported the red, white and blue lights to sheriff's dispatchers +who relayed the sighting to the Federal Aviation Administration Control Tower +on Jan 15, police Chief Jack Pace said. + +He couldn't see what the lights were attached to, Pace said. He couldn't hear +any sound. Kazmar was off duty Monday and did not answer his home telephone, +but he told the Monroe Evening Times: when it was just stayed in the same +place, and the bright lights, then I knew it was something that wasn't normal. + +Kazmar first sighted the lights about 9 P.M. and he and a passenger, Jeff +Furseth, began studying them more closely about 3 A.M., Kazmar told the Times. +They watched them untill nearly daybreak, when the lights disappeared on the +horizon. The officer estimated he got within a mile of the lights, Pace said. +Other reports of lights were received that night by sheriff's deputice in Dane +and Green counties. The FAA tower in Chicago also said it was tracking a +slowly moving object in the area, but made no radio contact with it. Actually, +we we're not sure if what they were looking at on the their radar was what +officer Kazmar saw, but it's possible, Pace said. + +Happenings in Dane County very closely correspond to a number of sightings in +the Waukesha area and Kenosha County. Since Kazmar's sighting and news of it +spread the six-officer department has received several calls about UFO's +sightings, Pace said. None of the calls of other sightings resemble what +Kazmar reported and Pace added he expects the reports to taper off. Other +reports of sightings in near by countys have been reported to a study group. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1367.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1367.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4f22dc41 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1367.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +SUBJECT: 01/87 SIGHTING IN SEWICKLEY HEIGHTS, PA. FILE: UFO1367 + + + Report #: 215 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-01-1987 + Subject: SEWICKLEY HEIGHTS, PA + +CASE TYPE: CE I + DATE: 21 JANUARY 1987 + TIME: 2200 HOURS + CFN#: 0337 + DURATION: UNKNOWN +WITNESSES: ONE + SOURCE: PASU - DIR. STAN GORDON +--------------------------------------- + +Ufo sighting reported 1-21-87. Object seen at 10 p.m. in Sewickley Heights, +PA. in Allegheny Co. Object was seen about 50 feet above ground hovering +near car. It was about four car lengths long, and wide as a single lane road. +It was cigar shaped, with multiple lights and it made no sound. As it +ascended into the sky it moved over four homes and then turned on a brilliant +spotlight. Witness reports that she felt some mental communication with the +object. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1368.ufo b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1368.ufo new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e47e125 --- /dev/null +++ b/textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/1000/1368.ufo @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +SUBJECT: 02/87 SIGHTING IN SELMA, IN. FILE: UFO1368 + + +Report #: 216 + From: UFO INFO SERVICE +Date Sent: 02-08-1987 + Subject: SELMA, IN. + +CASE TYPE: CE I - NL + DATE: 6 FEBRUARY 1987 + TIME: 2145 HOURS + CFN#: 0338 + DURATION: 30: MINUTES +WITNESSES: TWO + SOURCE: NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER +----------------------------------------- + +Two witnesses observed an oval shaped object 30 feet in diameter at an +altitude of 50 feet for 30 minutes with no sound. The dogs in the area were +very disturbed. The only color seen was a bright white light. + + + + ********************************************** + * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * + ********************************************** \ No newline at end of file