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CBBS(R) 4.0.3b
02/13/90 23:24:52
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CHRISTENS

Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?n
What is your FIRST name?^U
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?ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss

Logging name to disk...
You are caller 212741; next msg =43212;  384 active msgs.
Prev. call 02/11/90 @ 16:00, next msg was 43198
Recording logon for next time.
Use FULL? to check assignments
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"Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to abort.
>Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short
LOG.   8 
KILLED.  35 
SUMMARY.  25 
02/11/90,15:42:17,212669,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#43196,
E#43197,7
02/11/90,16:01:02,212670,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#43198,
>Help: FULL,
>Help: FULLC,
E#43199,9
02/11/90,16:19:06,212671,2,ALEX ZELL,,
02/11/90,16:42:13,212672,1,DONNIE STUHLMAN,,14
02/11/90,16:59:08,212673,2,BILL WOLFF,,
>Help: FULL,
E#43200,
E#43201,
E#43202,19
02/11/90,17:24:22,212674,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
02/11/90,17:26:16,212675,1,JERRY HASLETT,,2
02/11/90,17:45:29,212676,3,BURTON DOEN,,
02/11/90,18:05:21,212677,1,SCOTT MUELLER,,21
02/11/90,20:02:05,212678,2,PHIL JERN,,
02/11/90,20:20:48,212679,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,5
02/11/90,20:29:03,212680,2,BILL WOLFF,,3
02/11/90,21:06:51,212681,2,MARTY DIPPEL,,17
02/11/90,22:24:02,212682,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,7
02/11/90,22:41:24,212683,2,BILL MATTSON,,4
02/11/90,22:48:01,212684,1,JIM FLANAGAN,,7
02/11/90,23:31:40,212685,2,RODOLFO HERNANDEZ,,
02/11/90,23:34:39,212686,2,BILL WOLFF,,2
02/12/90,00:04:57,212687,2,MICHELE O'BRIEN, ,3
02/12/90,00:19:30,212688,2,JOHN TRIGG,BELWD,17
02/12/90,00:48:10,212689,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
]S,MESSAGE.X72,
]S,MESSAGE.X74,
]S,MESSAGE.X76,
]S,USERS,
E#43203,15
02/12/90,02:02:57,212690,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,3
02/12/90,05:47:11,212691,2,PETE JONES,,1
02/12/90,07:50:36,212692,2,BILL WOLFF,,1
02/12/90,09:43:52,212693,1,GERALD PINE,,6
02/12/90,10:41:38,212694,3,BURTON DOEN,,
02/12/90,10:51:07,212695,2,CONRAD KUBIT,,4
]CONRAD KUBIT,
02/12/90,13:48:55,212696,1,SCOTT TEIPE,,2
02/12/90,14:30:57,212697,2,DENNIS STAHL,,6
02/12/90,17:11:39,212698,1,LANE LARRISON,,6
02/12/90,17:54:53,212699,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
02/12/90,17:56:29,212700,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,
E#43204,
E#43205,13
02/12/90,18:24:31,212701,2,BILL WOLFF,,1
02/12/90,19:36:16,212702,2,MARK HURAK,Chicago/ Il,
02/12/90,19:52:38,212703,3,BURTON DOEN,,
02/12/90,19:56:30,212704,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,34
02/12/90,20:25:07,212705,2,W SLUGOCKI,OAK LAWN/ill,
02/12/90,20:30:16,212706,2,GARY ELFRING,,
E#43206,3
02/12/90,20:36:45,212707,2,KEVIN KEYSER,,
E#43207,8
02/12/90,21:35:36,212708,3,DAN JOHSON,,
02/12/90,21:55:38,212709,2,QWERTY ONE,,
02/12/90,22:19:54,212710,2,PHIL JERN,,1
02/12/90,22:41:51,212711,1,BRIAN NELSON,Hoffman Ests/ IL,5
02/12/90,22:46:20,212712,1,LANE LARRISON,,1
02/12/90,23:07:33,212713,1,STEVE SHMATKO,evergreen pk,
>Help: SKIM,
>Help: 1,MODEM,16
02/13/90,00:23:29,212714,1,WAYNE HANSEN,chicago/il.,
>Help: +++0,
02/13/90,01:02:08,212715,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,0
02/13/90,08:15:39,212716,2,GARY BUNTENBACH,PEOTONE/ ILL,16
02/13/90,08:35:21,212717,1,G G,,
02/13/90,10:06:31,212718,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,6
02/13/90,11:36:40,212719,2,JEFF MARTIN,,7
02/13/90,12:27:46,212720,2,ADAM D'AURIA,wheeling/ il,2
02/13/90,14:22:18,212721,2,ADAM D'AURIA,,
E#43208,15
02/13/90,14:35:55,212722,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,7
02/13/90,16:18:12,212723,1,LANE LARRISON,,
E#43209,2
02/13/90,17:54:47,212724,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,1
02/13/90,17:58:00,212725,2,DENNIS DUFFNE,,3
02/13/90,18:06:22,212726,2,THOM QUICK,,6
02/13/90,18:32:16,212727,2,BILL WOLFF,,1
02/13/90,18:43:44,212728,2,DON PIVEN,,3
02/13/90,18:56:43,212729,1,EDDIE COLVIN,,
>Help: MESSAGES,
>Help: L,13
02/13/90,19:17:36,212730,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,
02/13/90,19:47:37,212731,2,MATTHEW SWAJKOWSKI,Chicago/Illinois,6
02/13/90,19:51:25,212732,2,MATTHEW SWAJKOWSKI,,
E#43210,6
02/13/90,20:10:44,212733,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2
02/13/90,20:22:17,212734,1,LANE LARRISON,,2
02/13/90,20:36:26,212735,2,BILL MOYNIHAN,,5
02/13/90,20:44:40,212736,2,ALEX ZELL,,
02/13/90,21:20:12,212737,1,BILL WOLFF,,6
02/13/90,21:28:18,212738,2,BILL MATTSON,,
E#43211,23
02/13/90,21:58:19,212739,2,ALBERT GENTZEN,chicago,6
02/13/90,22:06:19,212740,2,BILL COLEMAN,,8
02/13/90,23:25:08,212741,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
43198 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BILL WOLFF: "R/ANSI EDITOR!"
43199 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BILL WOLFF: "R/ANSI EDITOR!"
43200 02/11/90 BILL WOLFF => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/ANSI EDITOR!"
43201 02/11/90 BILL WOLFF => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/ANSI EDITOR!"
43202 02/11/90 BILL WOLFF => ALL: "IT'S SOFTWARE!"
43203 02/12/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "CBBS NEED 9600?"
43204 02/12/90 COLIN SCHROEDER => ROBERT GOLENIA: "R/1M SIMM BUYING GROUP"
43205 02/12/90 COLIN SCHROEDER => JIM REDMAN: "R/1M SIMM BUYING GROUP"
43206 02/12/90 GARY ELFRING => WARD: "DESKJET"
43207 02/12/90 KEVIN KEYSER => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/CBBS NEED 600?"
43208 02/13/90 ADAM D'AURIA => ALL: "COMPUPRO BOARDS&EQUIP 4 SALE"
43209 02/13/90 LANE LARRISON => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "ADM.COM"
43210 02/13/90 MATTHEW SWAJKOWSKI => ALL: "COMMODORE 64 FOR SALE"
43211 02/13/90 BILL MATTSON => GERALD PINE: "R/8-INCH DRIVE JUMPER SETTINGS"

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Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts.

Msg 43198 is 15 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to BILL WOLFF re: R/ANSI EDITOR!

 Actually, a "possible" (<> practical) goal is to get CBBS working in
"C", then ported to Chinet. Being a unix system, it could use its
"terminfo" or what ever the new "termcap" is.
 By the way, CBBS DOES have full-line editing, independent of the
terminal type as long as backspace works OK. Try typing "help full".
 I couldn't get along without it. It has functions of insert (though
only a space, not an insert "mode"), delete, word forward and back,
etc. For example if you noticed a typo in the middle of a line before
entering the line, you can use control keys to go back and correct it.
 Similarly, if you've done the "full" command before going into message
entry, your "E" (line edito) sub-command becomes a full-line edit - great
for even inserting a char, etc. If you recall editors that had repeat
keys, you can even repeat inserts (^W8^V would insert 8 spaces). I
often do ^W^W^V to insert 16 spaces then ^G the ones I don't want, back
out.

Msg 43199 is 09 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to BILL WOLFF re: R/ANSI EDITOR!

 Oops, It seems I didn't put FULL in the help file. I guess it must have
been in a news item, and I didn't restore the news items after a system
crash some time ago.
 FULL? will tell you how it works (how's THAT for consistency ;-)
^B=Front/back, ^A=Word left, ^S=Char left, ^D=Char right, ^F=Word right
^V=Insert sp., ^G=Del left, ^P=Erase EOL, ^I=Tab right, ^_=CharSearch
 Those are the key meanings after doing a "full" command. With this,
a full SCREEN editor is needed about half as much, since most errors occur
on a LINE.

Msg 43200 is 15 line(s) on 02/11/90 from BILL WOLFF
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/ANSI EDITOR!

Hmm. I am trying the full screen editor now! WOW! It really works! Why
didn't we learn about this before? Thanks! I don't need the ANSI editor
now. As this works even when I am not using ANSI. I noticed it works
fine during the edit function too, as stated. All we need now is a
on-line spelling checker. Maybe a thesaurus too. Hey! Can I ask for a
grammer checker too.

Seriously, this BBS has many hidden tresures I have slowly found over
the years. Who knows? The spelling checker maybe already here!

On another note, nice job on the map about 100 messages before this one.
I hope I got the msg# right! Keep up the nice job and publish some more
tricks that you use here.

Have a good one! <BW>

Msg 43201 is 02 line(s) on 02/11/90 from BILL WOLFF
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/ANSI EDITOR!

Whoops! That is 200 messages back, sorry! Boy time flies when you are
having fun! <BW>

Msg 43202 is 21 line(s) on 02/11/90 from BILL WOLFF
to ALL re: IT'S SOFTWARE!

Many years I have fought with line noise and such. And over the years, I
have notice a big decrease in line noise. But guess, what?

I found a new love for my old equiptment. Like right now I have been
using my Osborne Executive pretty heavily lately, plus some of my other
CP/M computers instead of my newer MS-DOS, which I normally use.

You guessed it, line noise back again! And I believe it isn't really the
hardware, as different terms breed different problems. Most will upload
and download without any errors. But reading text causes errors.
Sometimes a line feed maybe be missing, or a series of characters are
gone. Plus I am using the same modems and phone lines that my newer
hardware and software are using which they worked without any major
problems.

The cause??? I believe crummy software wehave been using over the years,
doesn't work that well. CrossTalk and MEX are two that routinely cause
problems. And Crosstalk cost big bucks! Even today, it is costly. There
are also a number of CBM terms that do this as well. And after all these
years I have been chasing the wrong cause! Some people never learn! Or at
least not right away! <BW>

Msg 43203 is 02 line(s) on 02/12/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ALL re: CBBS NEED 9600?

 I'd really like to let Randy put this modem on Chinet, so he can
have a rotary with 2, 9600 baud lines. Anyone object?

Msg 43204 is 11 line(s) on 02/12/90 from COLIN SCHROEDER
to ROBERT GOLENIA re: R/1M SIMM BUYING GROUP

Bob:
 Sorry about the delayed response (vacation and no laptop!).
Here are some details-the cards are from a noname company in
CA called PC-Alibi (!). Send-only FAX with 2400 bps modem is
$119 each when bought in quantity of 2 or more. They offer a \
5 year warranty, and include software (who knows if it's good?)
They also have a FAX card/modem which sends AND receives FAXs
for $169 (which should be available soon, if not now). Leave
me a msg. if you're still interested.

Colin

Msg 43205 is 08 line(s) on 02/12/90 from COLIN SCHROEDER
to JIM REDMAN re: R/1M SIMM BUYING GROUP

Jim:
 Got a bunch of stuff from them in the mail-SEND/REC. FAX/modem
runs $169 per card (I think that's qty. 2 also). I wouldn't mind
splitting a double order if anyone's interested. I'm in the
market for a new modem anyway, and to get FAX capacity in addition
to regular 2400 bps modem for the same price would be fine with me!

Colin

Msg 43206 is 05 line(s) on 02/12/90 from GARY ELFRING
to WARD re: DESKJET

My guess is: either they are simply repositioning the DeskJet where it
belongs- against dot matrix printers OR a new DeskJet is on the way.
(Faster with built in RAM for fonts would be my guess and I would call
it a DeskJet II.) Either way with only $75 difference between models
I would guess the days of the original DeskJet are numbered.

Msg 43207 is 02 line(s) on 02/12/90 from KEVIN KEYSER
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/CBBS NEED 9600?

Nope, I don't object. I can't even keep up with 2400 baud! ;-)
 Kevin

Msg 43208 is 08 line(s) on 02/13/90 from ADAM D'AURIA
to ALL re: COMPUPRO BOARDS&EQUIP 4 SALE

Assorted Compupro Boards and equipment for sale.
CPU85/88, Macrotech 286/z80, disk controllers, drives, card cages
with motherboard and PS. NET100 network cards, System Support I,
MDRIVE/H 512k & 2Meg. We also have an assortment of older cards (thinker
toys, godbout, etc.) -> Anyone interested in a Morrow Designs - Decision
One board set? <-

Call Adam at Only Solutions, Inc. 708-215-0273 9am-6pm central time

Msg 43209 is 07 line(s) on 02/13/90 from LANE LARRISON
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: ADM.COM

I have a question for you about an IBM program called ADM. We have a
client who has a catalog program that was produced quickly (read slap-
dash) under it. We're considering helping them re-do it, but it would
be nice if we could capture the files and avoid all the data entry
required. Do you know anything about the program. It's called ADM.COM
from IBM and it seems to be some type of data base manager. It may be
before your time.but any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Msg 43210 is 02 line(s) on 02/13/90 from MATTHEW SWAJKOWSKI
to ALL re: COMMODORE 64 FOR SALE

Commodore 64, 1541 Disk Drive, 1503 Dot Matrix Printer, Lots of Software!
Call Matt S. (312)777-8047 Asking $200.00 (Not a bad price)

Msg 43211 is 13 line(s) on 02/13/90 from BILL MATTSON
to GERALD PINE re: R/8-INCH DRIVE JUMPER SETTINGS

I'm not so sure any more, (it's been 7 or 8 years), but it seems to me
that there might have been some bios differences between single-sided
and double-sided boards, and it seems odd to me that an 820-II would
have single sided drives. You may want to consider this, if other
suggestions don't work. By that I mean you may not be able to operate
the system with ds drives due toa firmware problem. Xerox offered an
upgrade to its early 820's which consisted of a new motherboard, not
a new eprom and some more memory! You should try comparing the mother-
boards in this and a known dd system, as another approach. If this is
the problem, there ain't no fix for this board, I'll bet. Let us know
any new developments in the saga. I used 820's and -II's a lot while
working for a Xerox division. I'm glad you didn't have one of the
early and really bad 5.25" drive abortions.gross. Regards.
dup. chars.
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