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08/15/93,21:27:14,230481,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,2
]Off to Boca Raton Florida, back Thurs PM.
WARD CHRISTENSEN,
08/15/93,21:51:57,230482,2,DON PIVEN,,
E#46420,6
08/15/93,23:27:01,230483,2,STEVE RYAN,,2
08/16/93,00:04:06,230484,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,
E#46421,
E#46422,7
08/16/93,00:16:16,230485,2,BILL MATTSON,,1
08/16/93,09:48:21,230486,2,RON KRITZMAN,,2
08/16/93,10:34:06,230487,2,WALT LATOCHA,,2
08/16/93,10:53:43,230488,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2
08/16/93,11:01:09,230489,2,DENNIS STAHL,,5
08/16/93,12:35:40,230490,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1
]Ward, I lost your address.  I have the modem wedge/RAM disk for the
Geneva, but I can't send it out without somewhere to send it!! FLASH
it to me again (will call on wednesday PM) and I'll send it off.  No
additional charge, this is part of the Geneva and so it's included
in
the original price...
ANDY SHAPIRO,
08/16/93,14:43:01,230491,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1
08/16/93,18:06:52,230492,2,MARTY CONROY,il,
08/16/93,20:33:33,230493,2,ROY LIPSCOMB,,
E#46423,6
08/16/93,23:02:04,230494,2,ROSS PAVLAC,evanston/ il,3
08/16/93,23:18:39,230495,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,
E#46424,6
08/17/93,03:30:35,230496,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1
08/17/93,03:39:16,230497,2,ROY LIPSCOMB,,
E#46425,
E#46426,5
08/17/93,08:58:09,230498,2,DENNIS STAHL,,3
08/17/93,10:16:45,230499,2,MARTINEZ MARTINEZ,chicago/il,
08/17/93,15:14:07,230500,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,
E#46427,6
08/17/93,15:34:51,230501,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1
08/17/93,17:52:54,230502,2,GERALD POOLE,,
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08/17/93,18:36:02,230503,2,DENNIS DARBY,,
E#46428,22
08/17/93,19:04:31,230504,2,DENNIS DARBY,,7
08/17/93,20:02:07,230505,2,FERNANDO FLORES,Chicago il,4
08/17/93,21:06:13,230506,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,4
08/18/93,00:41:43,230507,2,DAVID JOHNSON,,5
08/18/93,07:23:10,230508,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1
08/18/93,09:24:25,230509,2,DENNIS STAHL,,0
08/18/93,09:32:07,230510,2,TONY JEAN,,3
08/18/93,10:11:06,230511,2,WILLIAM O'GORMAN,Chicago/Illinois,
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08/18/93,12:29:13,230512,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,0
08/18/93,15:55:08,230513,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1
08/18/93,16:19:58,230514,2,GARY ELFRING,,26
08/18/93,22:48:46,230515,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1
08/19/93,00:24:59,230516,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,
E#46429,
E#46430,15
08/19/93,01:23:34,230517,2,ROY LIPSCOMB,,4
08/19/93,06:29:53,230518,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,3
08/19/93,06:58:15,230519,2,AL HIGGINS,,6
08/19/93,12:38:11,230520,2,ANDREW MOORE,,
08/19/93,15:33:39,230521,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1
08/19/93,21:14:46,230522,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
46420 08/15/93 DON PIVEN => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "R/SCSI TAPE SOFTWARE"
46421 08/16/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/SCSI TAPE SOFTWARE"
46422 08/16/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ALL: "WHAT IS/COME WIRTH COREL SCSI"
46423 08/16/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => ALL: "QQ: WHY DO FLOP-DRIVES DIE?"
46424 08/16/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/QQ: WHY DO FLOP-DRIVES DIE?"
46425 08/17/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "THANKS"
46426 08/17/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => ALL: "PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46427 08/17/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46428 08/17/93 DENNIS DARBY => ALL: "NEW BOARD - PLEASE TEST"
46429 08/19/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46430 08/19/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ALL: "NCR/SCSI DRIVES 7 ME."

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next:?[ANDY,SHAPIRO,
next:?  Sorry, I was in Florida, couldn't get back to you sooner, sorry you
next:?had to call so often.
next:?  Send it to the neighbor:
next:?    Ward Christensen
next:?  C/O S. Brotan 
next:?  692 E. 154th St.
next:?  Dolton, IL 60419
next:? 
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Msg 46420 is 02 line(s) on 08/15/93 from DON PIVEN
to MICHAEL SHARTIAG re: R/SCSI TAPE SOFTWARE

The latest versions of Central Point Backup (DOS v8, Windows v2) claim to
support SCSI tape drives.
--End of 46420

Msg #:?.

Msg 46421 is 03 line(s) on 08/16/93 from MICHAEL SHARTIAG
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/SCSI TAPE SOFTWARE

he druve is an Exabyte, 8mm unit.  Model 8200, They have since come out
with a newer unit.  I believe these are disscontinued although they
re still in the distribution chain.

Msg #:?.

Msg 46422 is 04 line(s) on 08/16/93 from MICHAEL SHARTIAG
to ALL re: WHAT IS/COME WIRTH COREL SCSI

AS I have been shopping around for SCSI cards, compatibility with
Corel SCSI seems to be a selling point.  I know they have Corel draw,
but can anyone shed some light on Corel SCSI, why one would need it if
your card ( assume ADAPTEC) comes with software?

Msg #:?.

Msg 46423 is 05 line(s) on 08/16/93 from ROY LIPSCOMB
to ALL re: QQ: WHY DO FLOP-DRIVES DIE?

What is the commonest cause of a floppy drive ceasing to be usable?
I have one that obeys commands to home the head, etc., but has no
effect other than to cause a "Bad sector" message.  Is there a
particular component or connector that appears to be a weak point
on 5-1/4" drives?  (The one I have in mind is a Toshiba, model FD5022.)

Msg #:?.

Msg 46424 is 10 line(s) on 08/16/93 from MICHAEL SHARTIAG
to ROY LIPSCOMB re: R/QQ: WHY DO FLOP-DRIVES DIE?

The biggest failure I find is in the hub assembly getting nicked or
slighly out of alignment and the doors won't pop open , leaving the
disks stuck in.
   Drawing on experience from back when it was worth fixing drives,
I found most failres to be in the head itself.  A wire would be overwrapped
or the fwrrite would be cracked and over timethrough vibration, and aging
of the epoxy that this would trigger a failure.  I was able to fix a couple
with tweezers, steady hands and a very small soldering iron.
   one other quicky:  use standard cassette head cleaning solution on the
drives heads and try demagnitizing them...

Msg #:?.

Msg 46425 is 04 line(s) on 08/17/93 from ROY LIPSCOMB
to MICHAEL SHARTIAG re: THANKS

Thanks for your response.  I've already tried q-tips and alcohol.
I'll see if I can find my old tape-recorder head demagnatizer.
As for broken wires, I did check the continuity of the top head's
wires.  I'm not sure if I can get at the lower head's.

Msg #:?.

Msg 46426 is 19 line(s) on 08/17/93 from ROY LIPSCOMB
to ALL re: PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286

    I recently bought a 20 MHZ 286 motherboard.  But when I swapped
it into my true-blue IBM AT (6 MHZ) computer, it wouldn't
recognize the disk drives.  It would access the A drive, then
(half second later) the B drive, then got stuck in a loop trying
to reset the C drive.  The video and the keyboard appeared to
operate normally, with one exception:  The screen said "To run
SETUP, press DEL", but pressing DEL produced no result.  (The
screen also said "Press ESC to bypass memory test," and
pressing ESC did abbreviate the memory test.)
    Does anyone have any idea what the problem might be?  Might
the AT disk controller be too slow for this motherboard?
    Also, does anyone have any docs on this board and its jumper
settings?  There is no brand name stenciled on the board, but
the words "PC Chips" appear on a chip that's the same size
as the 286 chip nearby.  The BIOS is from AMI, copyright 1988;
one of the BIOS ROMS says "286 EVEN BIOS" and the other says
"KEY BOARD BIOS".  The number PCB9060D is stenciled on the
back of the board.
    Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give.

Msg #:?rep
Msg 46431
01 ?Any chance it could be an enhanced keyboard - looking for the del key
02 ?that's not part of the numeric pad?  At first it sounded like the KB was
03 ?bad but like you say ESC worked.  Hmmm.
04 ?  The AT disk controller could be too slow for the motherboard - go into
05 ?SETUP and see what you can do (he said, with frustration on his mind,
06 ?knowing SETUP doen't work!)...
07 ?  How about completely pulling the hard disk controller, and booting a
08 ?floppy?  It might give you a 1701 error (Hard disk controller failure
09 ?but might let you boot the diskette.  "maybe" you could somehow figure how
10 ?to get into setup (like by poking around the ROMS in DEBUG).  
11 ?  You say you have an EVEN and a KB ROM.  Sounds like you should have
12 ?an even and an odd.  BUT the fact that the msgs come out OK ("Press DEL
13 ?to run setup"), you should be OK.
14 ?  I presume you have a 1.2M drive, right?  I have some "extra" 360 1/2 hi
15 ?5.25"ers around here if that would help.
16 ?
A,C,D,E,G,H,I,L,R,S,W (or ?):?s
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?o;05 
46009 01/06/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => WARD: "R/CBBS 15TH *PARTY*"
46010 01/06/93 DAVID GIBBS => ALL: "PROBLEMS WITH PKZIP 2.04C"
46011 01/07/93 KEN STOX => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "MODEM"
46013 01/08/93 KEN STOX => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/MODEM"
46014 01/09/93 DAVID JOHNSON => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "DISK CLEANUP"
46015 01/10/93 TOM DEBOTH => ALL: "NEW REAL ESTATE BBS"
46016 01/11/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => DAVID JOHNSON: "R/DISK CLEANUP"
46019 01/11/93 DAVID JOHNSON => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/DISK CLEANUP"
46020 01/12/93 AL HIGGINS => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "R/HEARD OF ASC SYSTEMS"
46021 01/13/93 DAVID JOHNSON => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/DISK CLEANUP"
46022 01/13/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => ALL: "WHY DO 486'S GET HOT?"
46023 01/13/93 KEN STOX => ROY LIPSCOMB: "RE: WHY DO 486'S GET HOT"
46024 01/13/93 BENJAMIN COHEN => ALL: "FOR SALE"
46025 01/14/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/WHY DO 486'S GET HOT?"
46026 01/14/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BENJAMIN COHEN: "R/FOR SALE"
46027 01/15/93 BOB SULLIVAN => ALL: "REQUEST HELP - VISUAL 102"
46028 01/15/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "SPEECH INPUT?"
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46424 08/16/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/QQ: WHY DO FLOP-DRIVES DIE?"
46425 08/17/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => MICHAEL SHARTIAG: "THANKS"
46426 08/17/93 ROY LIPSCOMB => ALL: "PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46427 08/17/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46428 08/17/93 DENNIS DARBY => ALL: "NEW BOARD - PLEASE TEST"
46429 08/19/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
46430 08/19/93 MICHAEL SHARTIAG => ALL: "NCR/SCSI DRIVES 7 ME."
46431 08/19/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/PROBLEM WITH 20 MHZ 286"
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Msg 46430 is 11 line(s) on 08/19/93 from MICHAEL SHARTIAG
to ALL re: NCR/SCSI DRIVES 7 ME.

I came across a 40 MEG SCSI drive fro a MAC.  I jumpedered it for an
open SCSI port adress and installed it into a NCR 386SX/20 Micro Channel
computer.  I ran several of the programs, etc. that came with the PC, and
formatted the drive.  The Drives reported their correct sizes of 46 meg
and 40 meg ( correct figures)  The 46 was the C drive, dos 5.0 and was all
one partition, and it was there.
  WHen I went to fdisk the new drive (D), all it said was possible was 33
MEG ( almost like I was in DOS 3 or something).  I looked at the table
on C and it was fine, and full and 46 MEG.
    Did I miss something here?  THis is only my 2nd or 3rd venture into
the world of SCSI drives.
>Function:?reply;46430

Msg 46430 is 11 line(s) on 08/19/93 from MICHAEL SHARTIAG
to ALL re: NCR/SCSI DRIVES 7 ME.

Y/N:?y
Msg 46432
01 ?  Gee, that's a stumper - From what I've learned, SCSI is self-identifying,
02 ?i.e. you don't even tell your CMOS you have one...  When you say you
03 ?formatted, was that the ^A advanced diagnostics format?
04 ?
A,C,D,E,G,H,I,L,R,S,W (or ?):?a;y
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