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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 12 Num. 02
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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SECRETS OF THE L.A. RIOTS -- PART III
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[Editor's note: Fred Celeni (pronounced suh-LAN-ee) worked as a
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federal intelligence agent, he says, for the office of U.S.
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Congressman John D. Dingell. Celeni was interviewed for public
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access television in Los Angeles, and that interview was later
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re-broadcast on Sherman Skolnick's television program,
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"Broadsides," in Chicago. Following is my own abbreviated
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transcript of Celeni's remarks. (Possible spelling errors exist
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and are not noted.)]
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[...continued...]
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-+- Hillary and the Meth Labs -+-
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INTERVIEWER: Under what pretext were you, shall we say,
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"suckered," into Little Rock?
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FRED CELENI: The theory was we were going to be getting money
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from the Glasgows that was going to go to Hillary Clinton. And
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it concerned a methamphetamine operation. And the same
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methamphetamine operation, the same people associated with it,
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are directly related to a man by the name of David Hale, who is
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now, supposedly, the government's star witness in this case
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against McDougal and Hillary and Jim Guy Tucker.
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INTERVIEWER: So you were going to set her up on some kind of a
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drug deal?
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FRED CELENI: No, just the opposite. What was happening was, we
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were supposed to make her look like, kind of like, Nancy Reagan:
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"Just say 'no' to drugs." Well, Hillary Clinton was going to
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"reveal" this information about David Hale, and help the FBI and
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the Marshalls arrest David Hale in a sting operation. The idea
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was, was to stop David Hale.
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You've got to remember what's important here. The day I got
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arrested in Little Rock, an hour later I was standing in the
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United States District Judge's court. (If I remember correctly,
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his name was Forrester.) And I said, "Judge Forrester, I am an
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officer of the federal government. I work for John Dingell, of
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the Congressional Committee on Oversight Investigations. I have
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complete immunity." I presented my immunity letter, the minute I
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got arrested.
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INTERVIEWER: How did the judge respond?
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FRED CELENI: He told me, "You're not being held for this crime.
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We're holding you as a parole violator." That's how they got
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away with it.
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INTERVIEWER: What do you think the purpose was, for them to
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arrest you?
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FRED CELENI: What had happened was, two days before, I had
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called up Vince Foster. And I said, "Vince, why am I being told
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to wind everything down?" He said, "Hey, basically the operation
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is finished." He said, "We've got the election; the polls show
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it. We're just wrapping things up." I said, "Well where is my
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*quid pro quo*?" He said, "Well as soon as he's in the White
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House, you're gonna get it." I said, "What am I gonna get?" He
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said, "You're gonna get a pardon."
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Well, Vince was correct: As soon as Clinton got in the White
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House, I sure "got it," all right. But it wasn't a pardon. What
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I got was an order, to Webster Hubbell, that said, "Fred Celeni
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is to be kept incommunicado." When Prime Time Live, ABC News,
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came to see me, they were not allowed in to see me. Based on
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Hubbell's orders. When Dateline NBC came, they were not allowed
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to see me. Based on Webster Hubbell's orders, as number 2 man at
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the Justice Department.
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INTERVIEWER: How do you know that the President ordered this?
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FRED CELENI: It came out in a hearing, shortly before the trial,
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where we went in and said, "Your honor, they're not allowing us
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to talk to the media." And the judge said, "It's okay if Mr.
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Hubbell wants him kept away from these channels, without direct
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access, because Celeni can talk to them on the telephone. That's
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not a denial of his First Amendment rights."
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INTERVIEWER: Where were you in July of 1993? July the 19th, to
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be precise.
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FRED CELENI: I was on trial in Little Rock, Arkansas.
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INTERVIEWER: And you were housed where?
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FRED CELENI: At the North Little Rock Police Jail, I guess they
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call it.
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INTERVIEWER: You got a call from Washington, DC, on the night of
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July 19th. Tell us about it.
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FRED CELENI: I was brought out of my jail cell, into the
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Sergeant's office. And they closed the doors and the man said,
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"Here," handed me a telephone, pressed a button, and he walked
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out of the room. And I said, "Hello?" And a female voice said,
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"This is Fred Celeni?" And I said, "Yes, it is." And she said,
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"This is the signals operator. Will you hold please?" And I
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said, "Yes, I will." And about 30 to 45 seconds went by, and Mr.
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Foster came on the line.
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-+- Vince Foster Gets Made Horizontal -+-
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INTERVIEWER: And what did you talk about?
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FRED CELENI: We basically talked about the fact that I had been
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writing to him and I had made a couple of phone calls. And I
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asked for documentation, and I asked if he'd be willing to come
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and testify in my behalf.
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INTERVIEWER: And what did he say?
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FRED CELENI: He said he was going to send some documents.
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We got into talking about a lot of things. And he told me, he
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said, "You know, I'm worried." And I said, "Why is that?" We
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got to talking about the lawyer I had (Gregory Bryant), and he
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told me Gregory Bryant was called "The Snake." He said, "Did
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'The Snake' try to find out who 'The Rabbi' is?" I said, "Yeah,
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he's been trying to find out."
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[Then we talked further, and Foster said,] "I was told
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yesterday that I'll be killed if any of this comes out." He
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didn't use the word "killed"; he said, "I was told that I'll be
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made horizontal." I said, "Who told you this?" He said, "Webb
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Hubbell took me out yesterday. Webb said to me, 'Let me tell
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you, Vince. This Celeni situation: if you don't shut your
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f**king mouth,' he said, 'Buddy Young will make sure you're
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horizontal.'"
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INTERVIEWER: And what happened to Vince Foster the next day?
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FRED CELENI: The next day, I came into court. I had no idea
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what was going on. And Gregory Bryant said to me, "The Rabbi is
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no more."
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But what got me was, he knew it at 9:30 in the morning.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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INTERVIEWER: On the 20th?
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FRED CELENI: On the 20th. Vince wasn't dead yet.
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INTERVIEWER: So at 9:30 in the morning, on the 20th, your
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attorney is saying, "The Rabbi is no more."
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[...to be continued...]
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For related stories, visit:
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http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html
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http://www.netcom.com/~feustel
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