diff --git a/wire/core/PagesEditor.php b/wire/core/PagesEditor.php
index f8f6c11f..ea0f2167 100644
--- a/wire/core/PagesEditor.php
+++ b/wire/core/PagesEditor.php
@@ -1844,7 +1844,7 @@ class PagesEditor extends Wire {
 		}
 
 		// detect template from parent (when possible)
-		if(!$template && !empty($parent)) {
+		if(!$template && !empty($parent) && empty($options['id'])) {
 			$parent = is_object($parent) ? $parent : $this->pages->get($parent);
 			if($parent->id) {
 				if(count($parent->template->childTemplates) === 1) {
@@ -1856,7 +1856,7 @@ class PagesEditor extends Wire {
 		}
 
 		// detect parent from template (when possible)
-		if($template && empty($parent) && count($template->parentTemplates) === 1) {
+		if($template && empty($parent) && empty($options['id']) && count($template->parentTemplates) === 1) {
 			$parentTemplates = $template->parentTemplates();
 			if($parentTemplates->count()) {
 				$numParents = $this->pages->count("template=$parentTemplates, include=all");
@@ -1875,6 +1875,7 @@ class PagesEditor extends Wire {
 		
 		if(isset($options['id']) && ctype_digit("$options[id]") && (int) $options['id'] > 0) {
 			$options['id'] = (int) $options['id'];
+			if($parent && "$options[id]" === "$parent") unset($options['parent']); 
 		} else {
 			unset($options['id']);
 		}
diff --git a/wire/core/PagesLoader.php b/wire/core/PagesLoader.php
index f52a4ca9..e5aa49ba 100644
--- a/wire/core/PagesLoader.php
+++ b/wire/core/PagesLoader.php
@@ -407,6 +407,7 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 		
 		if($lazy) {
 			// lazy load: create empty pages containing only id and template
+			$templates = $this->wire()->templates;
 			$pages = $this->pages->newPageArray($loadOptions);
 			$pages->finderOptions($options);
 			$pages->setDuplicateChecking(false);
@@ -419,7 +420,7 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 				if(isset($templatesByID[$templateID])) {
 					$template = $templatesByID[$templateID];
 				} else {
-					$template = $this->wire('templates')->get($templateID);
+					$template = $templates->get($templateID);
 					$templatesByID[$templateID] = $template;
 				}
 				$page = $this->pages->newPage($template);
@@ -441,6 +442,7 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 
 		} else if($loadPages) {
 			// parent_id is null unless a single parent was specified in the selectors
+			$templates = $this->wire()->templates;
 			$parent_id = $pageFinder->getParentID();
 			$idsSorted = array();
 			$idsByTemplate = array();
@@ -462,7 +464,7 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 				$unsortedPages = $this->pages->newPageArray($loadOptions);
 				foreach($idsByTemplate as $tpl_id => $ids) {
 					$opt = $loadOptions;
-					$opt['template'] = $this->wire('templates')->get($tpl_id);
+					$opt['template'] = $templates->get($tpl_id);
 					$opt['parent_id'] = $parent_id;
 					$unsortedPages->import($this->getById($ids, $opt));
 				}
@@ -482,7 +484,7 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 				$pages = $this->pages->newPageArray($loadOptions);
 				reset($idsByTemplate);
 				$opt = $loadOptions;
-				$opt['template'] = $this->wire('templates')->get(key($idsByTemplate));
+				$opt['template'] = $templates->get(key($idsByTemplate));
 				$opt['parent_id'] = $parent_id;
 				$pages->import($this->getById($idsSorted, $opt));
 			}
@@ -1168,9 +1170,10 @@ class PagesLoader extends Wire {
 						$page = $this->pages->newPage(array(
 							'pageClass' => $pageClass,
 							'template' => $pageTemplate ? $pageTemplate : $row['templates_id'],
+							'parent' => $row['parent_id'], 
 						));
 					}
-					unset($row['templates_id']);
+					unset($row['templates_id'], $row['parent_id']);
 					foreach($row as $key => $value) $page->set($key, $value);
 					if($options['cache'] === false) $page->loaderCache = false;
 					$page->instanceID = ++self::$pageInstanceID;