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86885 19-APR 19:12 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: JRUPPEL To: MROWEN01
If you have access to a Sam's Club in you r area, you may want to check out
their fare. I got an Epson AP5000 with ESC/P2 24 pin printer there for about
$220. I am very happy with the system other than the lack of ESC/P2 support
in the software thatI'm using right now, although I am in the process of
puttingtogether a package that will support it (as are others here)).
John Ruppel
>>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>>>
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86886 19-APR 20:07 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01
I couldn't agree more about this forum :-)
I'm like you in that I am still searching for the right printer. I can't
really think of any need for graphics so I am going with 24 pin Dot Matrix.
Since you want near lazer quality, maybe you should consider the HP Deskjet?
I THINK it should work on a Coco with a parralel port or at least the S/P
converter, but if I am wrong, someone will probably correct me, since that
how this forum is ;-) Anyhow, if it isn't running on Coco's right now, it may
just be a matter of a descriptor?
I really don't need the laser quality. I think my main usage will be for prinng
out source files and for printinc
g er' printing documentation and readme files. I have had my heart set on one
of the better panasonic printers, but it appears I'll
be stuck trying to hack the PS around since power isn't supplied to pin 18 of
know if the Epsons supply it?
Also, how are the Star 24 pin printers? At least, what is their reputation?
>Chris<
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86890 19-APR 20:46 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86884)
From: REVWCP To: ILLUSIONIST
Have you had any experience with the HP 500 and Max-10?
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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86892 19-APR 22:06 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86886)
From: JRUPPEL To: CPERRAULT (NR)
In regards to Epson supplying voltage to pin 18, they do not. I have a powered
S/P that I use with my Epson that does just fine. I heard that you can hack the
printer to supply the voltage, but I haven't attempted it, since the S/P does
just fine!
John Ruppel
>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>>
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86893 19-APR 22:16 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86886)
From: CHARLESAM To: CPERRAULT (NR)
In regard to your question concerning Star printers; I have a Star NX 2420
color printer which I bought new for 259.00. I then had to mail to Dayton
for the software to use with my Coco. I love this printer. 24 pin with 5
LQ fonts and hi speed draft, runs at 9600 baud, and with the Dayton Blue
Streak Ultima, I believe I have at least a 32k buffer. Besides black, it
printers 6 other colors. I run it from my serial port. Check it out..
Charlie
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86899 19-APR 23:23 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86884)
From: MROWEN01 To: ILLUSIONIST
I'm findeing that others are agreeing with you. The HP DeskJet 500 is the
way to go. I compared the output of a Cannon Bubblejet but it wasn't as
good. Any idea what the Epson emulation board runs?
-Mike
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86900 19-APR 23:26 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86892)
From: MROWEN01 To: JRUPPEL
I've hacked the S/P unit it's self to supply power. That's much easier than
messing with the printer. It works fine when I need it.
-Mike Rowen
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86907 20-APR 00:21 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: COCOKIWI To: MROWEN01
if you want a GOOD computer printer try the HP 500 series.....
If you do not want color a HP-560 or 550 are good ...Ink Jet printer
single sheet/envelopes.....Lazer CLOSE! I have a HP-550c <color>
or go for a CANNON bubble jet! I have seen LAZER printers now for
less Than $600.........
Dennis
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86908 20-APR 00:35 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86886)
From: COCOKIWI To: CPERRAULT (NR)
the HP-550 has BOTH par/serial ports on board! This Printer is BETTER than
what you are looking at! with an EPSON emulator should work fine on a CoCo-3
.and with a 256k module a very large print buffer,even without its 64k
STANDARD buffer aint shabby!<grin>
Dennis
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86909 20-APR 00:49 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86899)
From: COCOKIWI To: MROWEN01
The HP-500 is an OLD printer.....The HP-550 is the NEWER version.....
I paid 650 for mine last year..it now sells for around 550.....
a HP-500 is a lot cheaper of course....IF you go for color ..DO NOT!
buy a HP-500c ....It does not use the BLACK when using colorso one gets
a very muddy Black......the color mode is done by switching cartridges...
The HP-550c Has DUAL cartridges..Black/Color...........thats why it is able to
use TRUE black! they came out with a HP-560......this one is the same but has a
600 bit vs 300 bit graphic printout...........and sells for around 550 also!
quality is great! color is seen to be believed!But! then I use mine on a 386!
not bad on a CoCo-3 either ......<grin>.......
Dennis
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86912 20-APR 03:13 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86899)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: MROWEN01
It doesnt list a price for the Epson board in my manual, but you could
call HP at 1-800-538-8787 for information, the stock numbers for the
3 "main" accesories are:
256k Ram Cartridge ... 22707B
Epson Emulation ... 22707F
IBM Proprinter Emu.... 22707P (for DeskJet PLUS only)
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86914 20-APR 07:20 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: JEJONES To: MROWEN01
> I need a high quality printer for my Coco3. I don't really care much
> about graphics, but I want something with laser quality that won't break
> the bank. I need to print strictly text. What's everybody using these
> days?
I can't speak for others, but these days I use an Epson Stylus 800 ink jet
printer. It's definitely a step up from the 24-pin dot matrix printer I
used before. On the other hand, ink jet output isn't waterproof, and you
can't print right up to the edge of the paper the way you can with dot
matrix printers. (I've never owned a laser printer, so I don't know whether
they have that kind of limitation.)
Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily
those of any organization.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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86922 20-APR 21:14 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86899)
From: DSRTFOX To: MROWEN01
You ll find that the Epson Stylus printers have slightly better text than the
HP does. The Epsons are 360x360 DPI, the HP only 300x300. The 800 is the best-
a little more expensive (about $40 - $50 more), but worth the extra fee!
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86923 20-APR 21:17 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86922)
From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
I need good reviews of various printers. If you have a printer less than 2
years old (older if currently in production and readily available is okay also)
write me a decent review of it, giving your onion of graphics and text outputs.
DECB, OS-9, and OSK!!
I need them all! I am especially interested in the ink jets and laser users.
Send a review in E-mail. The best will be used in the next issue of "68'
micros" and I'll get sample issues to all that I print, or something else if
you subscribe... I'll think
of something!!
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86931 20-APR 22:49 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86908)
From: JRUPPEL To: COCOKIWI (NR)
Wasn't thtere a HP emulator in one of the last issues of Rainbow? Seems to
me I remember reading it and filing it away for future use.....
John Ruppel
>>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>>
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86935 21-APR 07:09 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: LMCCLURE To: MROWEN01
"I need a high quality printer for my Coco3. I don't really
care much about graphics, but I want something with laser
quality that won't break the bank. I need to print strictly
text."
Given that you want laser quality, low cost, and don't much care for
graphics, I would strongly recommend an ink-jet printer, either the
Canon BJ-200, the HP-520 (or older 500+), or the Epson Stylus 300 or 800.
Basically any of them do great with text, although I have listed them
in the order I would recommend them.
24-pin dot-matrix printers are around that sell for less (especially
if you scope out the used market), but I cannot say I have ever come
across an inkjet owner that wishes they had a dot matrix printer
instead. By the same token, I cannot say I have heard of any laser
printer owners wanting to swap their printers for an inkjet (unless
they wanted color), but the least expensive laser printers (such as
the Okidate OL400e), are pushing $500, even at deep discount, vs. the
sub-$300 (and in some cases, near $200) prices of the monochrome inkjets.
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End of Thread.
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86887 19-APR 20:16 General Information
RE: Canada mail (Re: Msg 86810)
From: DISTO To: KSCALES
Not much better than the US Snail! <hehe>. -Tony.
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86896 19-APR 22:45 General Information
RE: Canada mail (Re: Msg 86850)
From: ROYBUR To: MRUPGRADE
any DECB program has to be less than 32k...without using "fancy footwork",
but any os9 lev2 program must be less than 64k. or, basic09 programs can be
about the same size as DECB programs. so the _least_ one should expect from
os9 is equivalence to DECB, imho. 8*)............roy
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86921 20-APR 21:05 General Information
RE: Canada mail (Re: Msg 86896)
From: DSRTFOX To: ROYBUR (NR)
Very WRONG Roy! Basic09 code can be compressed (packed in Basic09 language!)
so that the object code is smaller than the source, so you can squeeze more
in the available memory. You also don't have to run B09- just the RunB module
(and a couple others I forget off-hand), which can be merged together then the
program run. You can actually have a finished B09 program of around 50+K, I
think. Each PROCESS of OS-9 has to run in 64K total. you can pass data between
processes and have more than one process running at onec, even on screen
simultaneously in different
windows. So you see, B09 has MUCH MORE capability than DECB, you just have to
know how to use it! I must admit that I don't, but I understand the potential,
even if I can't do it meself!!!
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End of Thread.
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86888 19-APR 20:18 General Information
New User Name
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
I am just letting everyone know that I am no longer using my old username of
Thetaurus here in OS9 Forum, and have a new one, which you can see in the
header. If for some reason someone wants to get in touch with me, (You know,
fan mail and such ;-) ), just send it to my new username :-)
See Ya
>Chris<
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86889 19-APR 20:20 OSK Applications
need help w/ Cumana OSK v2.3 for Atari-S
From: PAULSENIURA To: ALL
Sorry to bother y'all again. I'm still trying to get my OSK v2.3 from
Cumana (Atari-ST) talking to my SCSI drives. They're connected to
ICD's host adaptor as SCSI IDs #0 & #2. They work 100% just fine with
Atari TOS/GEM and ICD's drivers (v6.2.3 currently). But OSK gives me
"Not Ready" errors on some files esp. big/large ones. And OSK doesn't
like to do a "physical" format. But the STHD driver from Cumana
(Reccoware) *can* see the drives and report their correct SCSI info
(via FORMAT and FREE) -- honest.
When I posted this plea for help a couple of months ago, one person in
Germany suggested I patch STFD (not STHD?) at offset $8E0 to make it
$20 or more. Without any further details than that, I didn't do this
(for obvious reasons!). So here's the IDENTs on these two modules as
delivered by Cumana:
Header for: stfd
Module size: $CC6 #3270
Owner: 0.1
Module CRC: $A3FDB2 Good CRC
Header parity: $1E39 Good parity
Edition: $15 #21
Ty/La At/Rev $E01 $A001
Permission: $555 -----e-r-e-r-e-r
Dev Drv, 68000 obj, Sharable, System State Process
Header for: sthd
Module size: $A9C #2716
Owner: 0.1
Module CRC: $C45E91 Good CRC
Header parity: $1E46 Good parity
Edition: $1F #31
Ty/La At/Rev $E01 $A000
Permission: $555 -----e-r-e-r-e-r
Dev Drv, 68000 obj, Sharable, System State Process
Another person (from France) thought I should get ICD's latest
adaptor. I don't see why because the one I have can honor the SCSI
commands just fine. And/or I should get OSK v2.4 -- talk about money
I don't have!
Then Cumana told me they'll do some more testing -- I haven't heard
back from them at all for 2 months almost. (I've stopped
calling/faxing them since my phone bill grew to over $140 one month --
effectively doubling the price of this package!)
I don't see why I'm having so much trouble getting help! The two
drives are a Seagate ST277N and a CDC 96-meg, and both are very
reliable and quite fast for my purposes (never big enough, though, ya
know). ICD's partitioning software can even make the part'n info
AHDI-compatible. And.. it all *almost* works with OSK.
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I'm also still inquiring on how to buy G- or K-Windows for this Cumana
flavor of OSK. V2.3's "console" driver does support a Get/SetStat
call to deliver the address of the screen memory, so I'd think we'd be
able to run a window/gfx package. (Sadly that's all I know about the
technical details -- Cumana only sent me Microware's v2.1 tech docs,
not v2.3 or any Atari-specific tech docs.)
I'm about to give up, folks. I'm already hugely miffed how the
CoCo/L2 support has withered. Those of you who know me, I want to
write some MIDI packages (and you know why :) but I need gfx &
windows! If there's no GW/KW for Cumana, just say so! I'll ask
Cumana to give me my money back and you'll never hear from me again!
This is getting way too expensive for a home hobbyist!
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Thanks for putting up with me again. Please send me e-mail if you've
got any clues I could try. I'll certainly appreciate it.
. -- thx, Paul Seniura (from Oklahoma City)
paulseniura@delphi.com
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86898 19-APR 23:12 OSK Applications
RE: need help w/ Cumana OSK v2.3 for Ata (Re: Msg 86889)
From: MRGOOD To: PAULSENIURA (NR)
Unfortunately, you have an Atari and I'd venture to guess that
mayble only one or two other people here have similar setups.
Also, your question is fairly technical. I for one couldn't even
begin to bull____ an answer. Hope you can find the answer, but don't blame
us for it if you don't :-)
Hugo
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86924 20-APR 21:23 OSK Applications
RE: need help w/ Cumana OSK v2.3 for Ata (Re: Msg 86898)
From: DSRTFOX To: PAULSENIURA (NR)
Paul, I suggest you make a backup of your system and a bootable disk, then try
the patch the German fellow suggested. At worst the system will crash, and you
can then reboot from the floppy and restore the driver to its previous
condition.
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End of Thread.
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86891 19-APR 22:02 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86882)
From: CHARLESAM To: ILLUSIONIST
You know what M ike, I just happen to have a Workpak which I almost threw
out. I figured no one would need it. I'll dig it out and fire it up. I hope
I still have the os9 software. If not, maybe Randy could help me get it
up and running. I have this friend with a compatible, 486, latest windows
and such. The only thing that impresses me is the graphics. He is amazed at
the versatility of my Coco. I tried explaining that it was running OS9
but he can't grasp the difference between MS-DOS and an operating system.
He's a user. I love showing off the little tricks one can do with this
machine. I have a Scsi HD and I boot in less than a minute, Thats with
4 windows up and ready. His damn PC takes forever to get to ready state.
I'd like to upgrade to a KIX30 but sometimes I ask myself why when this
Coco does everything I need just fine. I wish we had better graphics but
then thats not all that important. I hope I can find a better monitor
then this CM-8(Tandy). Well I'm running off at the mouth here.... Try
to get your hands on a Chess Champion 2150L. Set it up next to your
computer and when Delphi slows down you'll have an adequate opponent.
Nuf said and thanx for the tip. Charlie
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86894 19-APR 22:25 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86872)
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
Hi Charles, yes and no. I'm running such a setup, but you can't run SC on it
because SC makes its own windows, 2 or 3 of them depending on the status
of SC at the instant. That said, you can use it for anything that doesn't
need a pausible screen or colored stuffs.
How? Well, first you need to locate an older mpi/side port card usually
called a "WP-RS", alltho WP's, and WPII's can probably be used. The select
address will probably be a clash with something else in your mpi, and will
require massageing by someone with a modicum of digital smarts and a hot
soldering iron. I am running just such a setup here using a WP-RS and the
highly modified co80 type drivers that Dennis Skala fixed up before he
retired from the coco field 3 years back. Most os9 software will run
on it unless it specifically needs a certain type of window for its graphics
as this has NO graphics ability, pure, very readable text on a 12" amber
monitor. If you can find the hardware, lemme know and I can email a suitable
driver kit. Or, come to think of it, I think I did upload that, years back.
Not sure where the sigops put it tho. Cheers, Gene, WDTV5@delphi.com
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86897 19-APR 22:54 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86894)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
Gene,
When I put the first reply in this thread, I thought about the WP-RS', and
then rejected the idea for two reasons. The first one you mentioned, can't
run any program that used windowing calls, such as SuperComm. The other reason
is the keyboard. Since you say to have such a system up and running, I have
to ask. How do you control keyboard input with two totally different console
drivers? CC3io, which does the keyboard, won't know about C80. And if CO80
has it's own keyboard routines, how does it know when it has control of the
device? I can think of ways to pull it off... but I think I'd just as soon
write a VGA card driver. :>
So how'd you do it???
Randy
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86902 19-APR 23:34 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86894)
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5
Yes I do have the WP card and an amber monitor. And yes, I understand that
SC can't run from the mono. I'll have to write up my setup and maybe we
can go from there..??? I believe I have the drivers that came with it.
That includes os9 but I'm not sure. Still, even with the drivers I'll
need help since I'm not that OS9 smart( OS9!!! I'm not that smart period).
Thanx for the support... Charlie
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86926 20-APR 22:34 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86897)
From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
Actually, quite easily once Dennis had made the patches & installed some
hooks. What I have is slightly better than the older database kit in that
there is only 2 extra modules in the descriptor list, and one of them now
has the majority of the old co80 code merged into it. They are: "wp",
which is the descriptor/and/co80 package which acts like any other output
device on the coco. Then a "wecho" which links the keyboard back into
the system when its "cleared" to. I have a blank white screen when I'm
cleared to the "/wp" window on the 8515. I run a bunch of stuff to it
during the bootup, like my calndar, and a couple of quoters for the day,
things like that. I can run vi on it just fine, but seem to have lost the
ds termcap entry somehow. Its the best screen here for text by far, and
its only real problem is a total lack of pauseing, no control w or anyhting.
The only thing that stops a listing going by is the break key. Its screen
update is at about 4800 baud, so its not any faster than a regular window
in the text mode. If anybody wants, I can put this package up and submit
it again, but the package I'd make up today would be for nitros9 systems
as this set of driverrs has been nativized by Wes & Co. Cheers, Gene
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86928 20-APR 22:39 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86902)
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
Hi Charley, do you know what address that pack is set for now? And do you
know the rest of the addresses (i/o) in your present system? Some of these
used a slightly weird adress decoder that *could* intefere with the slot
ches in the mpi. Its all fixable of course. Also, it would be simpler
if you were also running a 63b09 in the native mode, as in nitros9. Then
I wouldn't have to dig up the non-native versions of the drivers for you.
Just lemme know, and eventually we can make up a working kit I think.
Cheers, Gene
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86930 20-APR 22:47 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86928)
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5 (NR)
I am running a 63b09 but using Pboost. I have off tommorrow so I'll dig
out the pack and see if I can find the software. I'll give you a run down
via mail on my system and maybe you can start from there. If you read
my message to newkid, you will realize that I'm pretty dumb in these matters.
I should say ignorant, because I never bothered to read the book, and thats
dumb. But I'll try to get as much info as I can concerning the wordpak, so
maybe I won't leave you doing it all. Thanx for your offer to help. Charlie
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End of Thread.
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86895 19-APR 22:38 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86852)
From: ROYBUR To: PAGAN
i read a short blurb somewhere about the clipper chip, and the implications
made me literally ill. as james says, "Big Brother inside". sometimes i
wonder if we missed the chance for another Tea Party. i have a feeling that
all the writing to congressmen that _might_ be done is not gonna change
anything, except to decrease publicity.............roy
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86904 19-APR 23:38 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86853)
From: PAGAN To: ILLUSIONIST
>I totally agree. There isnt much more I can say than that. (running off to
>chestnut now, I wanna get a copy of that DES source..)
It's in pub/OSK/CMDS/des.t.Z. I haven't has time to play with it so I don't
know how good an implementation it is.
Does anyone reading this know were I can get source for IDEA? I have 8088
assembler source (from the KOH virus - OOPS, I mean hard disk encryption
utility :-) but I was hoping to find something a little less obnoxious to
decipher.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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86933 21-APR 03:08 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86895)
From: PAGAN To: ROYBUR (NR)
>i read a short blurb somewhere about the clipper chip, and the implications
>made me literally ill. as james says, "Big Brother inside". sometimes i
>wonder if we missed the chance for another Tea Party. i have a feeling that
>all the writing to congressmen that _might_ be done is not gonna change
>anything, except to decrease publicity.............roy
According to the 1/29/94 update of "WHITE HOUSE ELECTRONIC PUBLICATIONS AND
PUBLIC ACCESS EMAIL FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS" (phew!), anyone interested
in making his opinions known to Big Sister can send Email to the White House
direct at:
President@Whitehouse.GOV
Vice.President@Whitehouse.GOV
If you have an opinion on some of the silliness now being considered by
congress then write. If your against it, write often :-). Defeating
a "voluntary program" like the clipper chip initiative is either going to
take lots of money or lots of public indignation.
Congress is supposed to be conducting "experimental electronic commun-
ications projects" at hr.house.gov but as near as I can tell this node
doesn't exist.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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End of Thread.
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86901 19-APR 23:32 General Information
RE: Troubles (Re: Msg 86699)
From: NEWKID To: COCOKIWI
I still have one problem, but I believe it's minor. When I boot, after
the Tandy, Microsoft mgs appears, and my startup file starts. instead of
"Welcome to DMC..." and a few other lines I have ( with the cmd Echo be-
ginning each line) I get a dir of my hard drive. Again it's minor, nothing
else is affected.
James
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86905 19-APR 23:45 General Information
RE: Troubles (Re: Msg 86901)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: NEWKID (NR)
>I still have one problem, but I believe it's minor. When I boot, after
>the Tandy, Microsoft mgs appears, and my startup file starts. instead of
If you're getting a Microsoft copyright message on OS9 boot, I'd say you
have a *serious* problem. :>
>"Welcome to DMC..." and a few other lines I have ( with the cmd Echo be-
>ginning each line) I get a dir of my hard drive. Again it's minor, nothing
>else is affected.
Most likely, you are using shell+, and your echo string parameter includes
a meta char, such as "*". shell will insert any file name that matches the
char into the echo string. For proof, type "echo *" at any shell+ prompt.
Randy
P.S. ooops, forgot to say how to fix it. With shell+, start each line with
a ":", such as ":echo ***************". This will disable the wildcard
matching for that one line.
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End of Thread.
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86903 19-APR 23:35 Programmers Den
OS9 ASM Programmers
From: REVWCP To: ALL
WANTED
OS9 Level 2 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMERS
I have a project in the works which at the moment I am not free to divulge
publically. If you have experience in OS9 Assembly Programming (RMA) please
contact me in EMAIL for details. I will go public with the information as
soon as I recieve permission.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
(REVWCP)
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86906 19-APR 23:49 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 86649)
From: NEWKID To: CHARLESAM
A bit off the track here, but, glad to see you back Charles, how's your
chess game?
James
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86929 20-APR 22:39 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 86906)
From: CHARLESAM To: NEWKID (NR)
Well I'll tell ya James, I've been here all along but just too apathetic
to get my feet wet. I monitor the forum almost daily but for the longest time
I just couldn't get into it. Not that the traffic wasn't interesting, I wasn't
interested. I just didn't want to apply myself to what was at the time,
something over my head. I'm still not any smarter, but I guess the nice
weather brought me out of my concoon. All of a sudden, I want to learn again.
I even started reading my OS9 manuals again and this time I'll complete them.
Something I should have done 8 years ago when I first signed on Delphi.
I've always been the fool who doesn't read instructions, cause I'm so damn
smart. Trouble is, in this game, everybodies smart, especially the ones who
read the instrustions at the outset. Anyone who has an operating system
and doesn't read the book, doesn't belong in this environment. I'm saying
that as it applies to me... and me only. I've been a pain to some with all
my requests for help when if I had read what came with the system, I could
have saved my requests for help for those times when I couldn't find the
answer in a book. Nuf said, I'm a beginner again. This time I'll try
reading the books. I maybe late but I'll get there.
I haven't been playing online but I get a game in here and there against
my chess machine. That damn thing kicks a__. Good to hear from you. What
are you up to these days? You have to come by again and see me. We'll
have a game or two. I'll be here even if you don't see any forum messages.
Just give me a shout. Later Charlie
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86910 20-APR 02:47 General Information
RE: New MM/1 Monitor (Re: Msg 86778)
From: AJMLFCO To: JEJONES
re: gas taxes
gas prices are lower than two years ago, probably in
real terms and certainly are so when prices are adjusted
for inflation. In fact, federal gas taxes are probably lower
in inflation adjusted terms than ever. It's my suspicion that
the Arabs will get whatever Uncle Sam doesn't so we may as well
hope taht we can cut one of our biggest foreign imports.
Allen
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86916 20-APR 19:24 General Information
RE: New MM/1 Monitor (Re: Msg 86910)
From: JEJONES To: AJMLFCO (NR)
> In fact, federal gas taxes are probably lower
> in inflation adjusted terms than ever.
That is inconsistent with what I read just the other day--I believe it
was in a *Wall Street Journal* editorial. It said that before taxes,
the cost of gas today adjusted for inflation is lower than it was
before the 1973 oil crisis, but that gas taxes, adjusted for inflation,
are up.
Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily
those of any organization.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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86913 20-APR 07:20 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 86877)
From: JEJONES To: REVWCP
> How do I send a message to everyone on the OS9 section of the Internet?
Sounds like what you want to do is post a message to comp.os.os9. Do you
have access to that newsgroup?
Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily
those of any organization.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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86936 21-APR 07:10 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 86913)
From: LMCCLURE To: JEJONES
"Sounds like what you want to do is post a message to
comp.os.os9. Do you have access to that newsgroup?"
Everyone on Delphi has access to the newsgroups, even if they don't
have an Internet subscription. Just go to one of the newsreaders in
one of the SIGs. I don't believe the OS9 forum here has one (if it
does, you could simply issue a "GO COM OS9 USE" at the next prompt to
get to it).
For example, you could use "GO COM ATARI USE" to go to the Usenet reader
off of the Atari forum, select "2" (the option to read any newsgroup),
and at the prompt asking you which one, type in "comp.sys.os9".
Once again, this does *NOT* require you to be paying the extra $3 monthly
charge, even to post.
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86915 20-APR 13:31 General Information
MFM Hard drive
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
HELP!
My Seagate ST-225 is dead! Does anyone want to sell a drive or know
where I can purchase one. I'm not hung up on the ST-225 but it must be
an MFM drive (and I must be able to afford it of course ;). Thanks
-Mike
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86925 20-APR 21:28 General Information
RE: MFM Hard drive (Re: Msg 86915)
From: DSRTFOX To: MROWEN01
Do you subscribe to "68' micros"? The HARD DRIVE issue is ready to go out
and will start hitting mail boxes about the first of May. There is a "sources"
section with several low cost hard drive sources in there!!
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End of Thread.
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86917 20-APR 19:28 General Information
ninetimes
From: TAULBORG To: ALL
I am a new os9 user and am having trouble trying to check out a disk
magazine called"Nine Times".I have a basic setup in os9 but I use
shell plus.My problem is that when it tries to load it goes to a white
screen and inthe middle it says "now loading" or something like that,
[D it gives me an error 216.Everything seems to be there for
it to run but it stops right there! If anybody has any thoughts please
[D know what you think !!!!!
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86932 20-APR 23:59 General Information
RE: ninetimes (Re: Msg 86917)
From: REVWCP To: TAULBORG (NR)
I've used Ninetimes. I think that there is not anything special. Make
certain that you have all the stdfonts, and std_ptrs in your SYS directory.
Display should be in memory, or available. I can't find the user's manual
that came with Ninetimes, but the actual program that runs the magazine is
a collection of Basic09 programs. You have to have runb available, other
wise, I can't recall any thing special. I will check and get back to you.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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86918 20-APR 20:50 General Information
RE: Eliminaotr (Re: Msg 86862)
From: DSRTFOX To: DOCBEAR (NR)
I currently sell the Ken-Ton SCSI controller.. or rather will be after the
Chicago CoCoFest. Right now, I can get a ready to run 85MB system for $600.
Good quality stuff, all brand new, no refurbs... Seagate, too!
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86919 20-APR 20:57 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86866)
From: DSRTFOX To: JRUPPEL
unfortunately, I have NOT been able to find a source for the DataTechnology
24MB replaceable cartridges. I may be able to get some SyQuest 88MB drives,
for about the same price per MB (the 24MB cart. is unformatted- formatted
capacity
is 20MB). Actually, I can do a little better... $200 for an 88MB Syquest. I just
need to verify that these particular Syquest units are external SCSI and not
internal DOS types! Could be, in which case they will still be useable with
a B&B interface. Price includes S&H. I believe these drives will read/write
44MB carts also. I did find out that these are available- $65 for 44 and $98
for 88MB carts. Might find a better price though.
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86927 20-APR 22:35 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86919)
From: JRUPPEL To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Do you know if these can be installed in a tower/XT/repack case in a way
that will make it accessible without taking the case apart? I'm trying to
eall over it right now!
John Ruppel
>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>
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86920 20-APR 20:57 Programmers Den
RE: Pixel_Blaster (Re: Msg 86864)
From: DSRTFOX To: REVWCP
Hmmm.... let's reduce the price to $20 then!!
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86934 21-APR 05:28 General Information
RE: Chess (Re: Msg 86822)
From: MREGC To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
Zack,
> Requires a 3M MM/1 (or more) running Edition #51 or greater of K-Windows.
Would I be asking you to divulge some top secret info if I inquired as to
what feature you use that is only availabe in windio 51 or above?
..Eric...
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86937 21-APR 18:49 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86892)
From: CPERRAULT To: JRUPPEL
Shucks<G>. If I could only get my hands on a PS for my converter. They
don't make 'em no more, tho I'm sure there are some out somewhere.
>Chris<
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86938 21-APR 18:55 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86900)
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01
Mike, how did you do it? That is, the S/P hack? Is it somewhat complicated?
>Chris<
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86942 21-APR 20:21 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86937)
From: JRUPPEL To: CPERRAULT
I picked one up at my local electrronics supply for $11. It has 5 or 6 voltage
settings to boot! And adapters! Check around. Even the Shack has 'em! <G>
John Ruppel
>>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>>>>
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86946 21-APR 22:05 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86922)
From: MRGOOD To: DSRTFOX
Just my 2 cents.
I bought an Epson Stylus 300 this past weekend for $250. The output
quality is fantastic. Highly recommended.
Hugo
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86947 21-APR 22:42 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86931)
From: COCOKIWI To: JRUPPEL
interesting1 I,ll look into it!let me know what issue!
Dennis
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86948 21-APR 22:44 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86938)
From: MROWEN01 To: CPERRAULT
It's not complicated at all if we're talking about powering the S/P from
an external power source. Normally a voltage is supplied on the parallel
port of a printer that is used to power the interface. The Epson printers
and some others lack this voltage. All you have to do is connect a ground
and a DC voltage to the pin that normally get's power from the printer. I
would have to look to remember which pin it is. 18 comes to mind, but I'm
not sure.
-Mike
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86949 21-APR 22:46 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86935)
From: COCOKIWI To: LMCCLURE
I found a LAZER PRINTER under $500....the LX-9400 SHARP.....
IT has FX-80 emulator BUILT in! + HP,s protocol........
At....SAMS Warehouse.......not bad for a LAZER......<grin>
Dennis
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86950 21-APR 23:03 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86907)
From: MROWEN01 To: COCOKIWI
The first bubble jet I looked at was an older BJ-100. I toyed with a
BJ-200 tonight, and I think I'm going with it. It has built in Epson
emulation and 360dpi like the Epsons I've looked at. I like the smaller
foot print this model has as well. The only HPs I could find were the
color models. The bubble jet can be packed up in short order. I even
considered the HP personal jet portable, but it was to slow for my taste.
I want an ink jet because I need to produce proffesional quality manuscripts.
Lasers are getting cheaper, but the inkjet will do nicely.
-Mike
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86962 22-APR 20:55 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86942)
From: CPERRAULT To: JRUPPEL
Thanks john, I'll keep an eye out for it. :-)
>Chris<
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86963 22-APR 20:56 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86948)
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01 (NR)
Yep 18 is the one.
>Chris<
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End of Thread.
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86939 21-APR 19:01 General Information
RE: MFM Hard drive (Re: Msg 86915)
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01
Mike, is that the 20 meg drive? I know a guy who is selling one used I think,
for $40 around here<he has a shop set up>. From what I understand tho, you
could go mail order and get one for $1 a meg.
>Chris<
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86940 21-APR 19:04 OSK Applications
GCC
From: JOHNREED To: ALL
GCC C and C++ compiler version 2.5.8 is available on
chestnut.cs.wisc.edu.
It runs on my MM/1a (68340)
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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86941 21-APR 19:25 Programmers Den
HeapSort
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
Does anyone know where I can get source code for Heapsort in Pascal for
OS-9/6809? if it isnt OS-9 specific, I could port it..I have a description
of Heapsort in a book I picked up on computer algorithms, but it is in
FORTRAN, and I have zero experience with FORTRAN sooo.. and even if I
figured out enough syntax, it uses line numbers, and I would like to get
a completly structured version.. thanks for any info in advance..
-* Mike
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86956 22-APR 06:21 Programmers Den
RE: HeapSort (Re: Msg 86941)
From: JEJONES To: ILLUSIONIST
> Does anyone know where I can get source code for Heapsort in Pascal for
> OS-9/6809?
Look in *Algorithms* by R. Sedgewick, first edition. Well, perhaps the
second edition, too, but I know for sure that the code in the first
edition is in Pascal.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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86957 22-APR 08:09 Programmers Den
RE: HeapSort (Re: Msg 86956)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: JEJONES
:) I have 2nd ed. and it isnt in there, that was the first place I looked
.I will see if I can find a copy of 1st ed. thanks..
-* Mike
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86968 23-APR 00:23 Programmers Den
RE: HeapSort (Re: Msg 86957)
From: CHYDE To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)
_Algorithms_, by R. Sedgewick, 2nd. edition, does indeed have a Pascal version
of heapsort (at least mine does). Pages 148 through 161 talk about the heap
data structure and auxillary functions for the heapsort. The sort itself is
on page 156. I would suspect that a local libary would have the book, or the
library of the nearest college. If you still can't find it I can type the
code in and mail you a copy.
Chris
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End of Thread.
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86943 21-APR 20:46 General Information
RE: Chess (Re: Msg 86934)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MREGC
> > Requires a 3M MM/1 (or more) running Edition #51 or greater of
> K-Windows.
> Would I be asking you to divulge some top secret info if I inquired as
> to what feature you use that is only availabe in windio 51 or above?
Dunno. I only say that to cover myself. KChess may work on previous
versions of Windio, I just don't have the time to test them all!!
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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86944 21-APR 21:04 General Information
RE: ninetimes (Re: Msg 86932)
From: TAULBORG To: REVWCP
Thank you for the info and I will make sure or at least try to make
sure that I have all that stuff where it is supposed to be at.
I am new at this so ANY info is VERY helpfull!I am used to rsdos
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86955 22-APR 05:44 General Information
RE: ninetimes (Re: Msg 86917)
From: JWILKERSON To: TAULBORG (NR)
Make sure proper directories are set, as well as attributes. If all
else... use Ded to look at the file it fires up with and see if you can see
any pathnames it looks for....
Seeya
-- John
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End of Thread.
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86945 21-APR 21:50 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86859)
From: MODEL299 To: DSRTFOX
Sounds like that might be a good one. If the cost of the cartridges is
low then you might get some buyers for that one. The removable option
really makes a world of difference. Mark
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86951 21-APR 23:22 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86945)
From: DSRTFOX To: MODEL299 (NR)
The Syquest cartridges are about $100 for an 88MB, $65 for a 44MB... average
price, that! The drive comes with one cart, so it's a good deal. 28ms access
time also!
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86952 21-APR 23:24 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86951)
From: DSRTFOX To: JRUPPEL
The Syquest units I'll have to check on some more. They are usually half
hig 5.25" forma factor drives, but some external models were slightly larger.
These may be the olde type that has to stay in the external case. Will let you
know.
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End of Thread.
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86953 21-APR 23:33 General Information
MM/1 & VGA Monitor!
From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
There is a monitor that can be used with the MM/1 AND a VGA (clone) computer...
CHEAP! Electrified Discounters has NEC MultiSyncII monitors (renewed, with 90
day warranty) for only $169! It is 14", .31 dot pitch, syncs to CGA,EGA, VGA,
and mono TTL signals. Max resolution is only 800x560 thoh... standard
VGA only (640x480... SVGA is 800x600 or higher). doesn't say if there are
composite inputs, could be!?? Phone number is 1-800-678-8585, 24 hours, and
they take plastic (2.5% surcharge). Shipping extra, of course.
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86954 22-APR 00:01 Telecom (6809)
RE: composite monitor (Re: Msg 86930)
From: WDTV5 To: CHARLESAM
I'd be willing to bet that my nitro'd drivers will run in your pboosted
system. I forgot to mention theres another module that also goes into the
bootfile in addition to the two descriptors, its "wpdrv" and is basicly
the co80 code plus a co-module front end thats about another $20 bytes.
And theres one other possible gotcha to running the exact same drivers
I am, the horizontal sweep speed of the monitor. Mine is running at about
(here I fire up the scope and measure it) 18.28 khz. This is a bit faster
than a regular pack will run it at. Its controlled by the software
initialization of the chip, and the reason for it is that it gets rid of
all that wasted border space, using the full screen width and height minus
about 1/4" on each side. The defaults lleave about an inch all around and
waste a lot of screen space in so doing. The typical monitor like a
Magnavox "PC MONITOR 80" doesn't mind it a bit, mine has been running like
that now since 1986, 8 years! Sometimes 3-4 days at a time. The horizontal
sweep being that fast is however in all probability an internal adjustment
though. The typical rear panel horizontal hold just doesn't have that
much range. I never did write up the exact locations and effects of all
those "init" bytes but I can look in my wordpack docs and figure it out
from there if we have to change anything. This could get even longer, and
more boring to those so unlucky as to not have a wordpack, or slot space
for it, so lets do it in mail. Cheers Charley, Gene
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86958 22-APR 19:36 General Information
RE: Canada mail (Re: Msg 86921)
From: ROYBUR To: DSRTFOX
truthfully, i've not used b09 that much, either. even so, i was - and now,
even more! - sure that b09's capability is not inferior to DECB. thanx for
the clarification, frank. 8*)..........roy
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86959 22-APR 19:41 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86933)
From: ROYBUR To: PAGAN
thanx for those addresses, stephen. i don't like people playing with my
mail; it may be near worthless stuff, but it's _mine_. kinda makes me wonder
just how private US mail really is, too. 8*).........roy
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86960 22-APR 19:52 General Information
RE: SCRIBE 4.0 ? (Re: Msg 86803)
From: BANDMAN To: PHXKEN (NR)
Thanks! found it!
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86961 22-APR 19:57 General Information
VIP Writer
From: BANDMAN To: ALL
I'm trying to locate a copy of the old VIP Writer program - need to find one
ASAP! Does anyone have one lying around unused? Would much appreciate a
chance to buy from you! Thanks! --=>Gary<=--
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86969 23-APR 00:34 General Information
RE: VIP Writer (Re: Msg 86961)
From: CHYDE To: BANDMAN
If I remember right Don Strunk (donalds) had one for sale about 6 months
ago or so. You can send him some e-mail here, or wait till he logs back on
and reads your message <g>.
Chris
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86971 23-APR 09:26 General Information
RE: VIP Writer (Re: Msg 86966)
From: BANDMAN To: WA2EGP (NR)
OOPS! Sorry! I'm lloking for the CoCo3 version.
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86972 23-APR 09:28 General Information
RE: VIP Writer (Re: Msg 86969)
From: BANDMAN To: CHYDE (NR)
Thanks! I will check it out.
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End of Thread.
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86964 22-APR 22:25 General Information
RE: New MM/1 Monitor (Re: Msg 86820)
From: TEDJAEGER To: KSCALES
Thanks for that info, Ken. I knew we would need new software but did
not realize that the 31.5 HZ sync was associated with those weird
dimensions of the image. For the sake of clearing my head further,
could you explain this? In the Kwindows docs provided by Mike Sweet
one can find a description of the window display type call (1b 20).
Parameters 0a and 0b are said to produce a 640X480X16 (VGA) and
320X480X256 (VGA) screen respectively. In fact these parameters dont
work with the call but were they intended to use the 31.5 HZ sync?
I figured they were and had been switched off to protect us destroying
our Maggie/Radio Shack monitors. The docs do not suggest that these
"VGA" modes are interlaced. Is Kwindows ahead of the hardware here?
Bests
---TedJaeger
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86965 22-APR 23:00 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Monitors + (Re: Msg 86774)
From: LUCKYONE To: NIMITZ (NR)
> Actually, I'd like anyone who has an MM/1 to forward to me as complete a
> description as possible of their system setup, and escppecially any
> monitors, hard drives , tape drives or CD ROM drives in use.
>
> David M. Graham
> BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
>
Hi David,
Presently I have a MM/1 that I will soon upgrade to a MM/1a. The system
includes a 3 1/2 inch floppy, a 20meg floptical, a 80 meg Quantum HD, and a
Magnavox 8CM515 monitor.
Howard
Howard Luckey
delphi LUCKYONE
CIS 74746,3207
********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
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86967 23-APR 00:12 Programmers Den
RE: Pixel_Blaster (Re: Msg 86835)
From: MICHAELJN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
This is one of my complaints I have within myself on Delphi.
I feel you should advertise your product(s) because there's no Rainbow, and I
don't subscribe to any paper. Delphi is my ONLY source of information.
If I wrote a program and tried to market it, I would first attempt to advertise
it on Delphi. Please consider this a suggestion.
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86970 23-APR 07:19 Programmers Den
_ss_play
From: MREGC To: ALL
Using the _ss_play call from the MM/1's C-library, I notice that, on some,
actually many apparently random occasions, the sound seems to play at a much
lower speed than normal.
Does anyone know of any problems with the _ss_play command? Could it just be
that _ss_play can be affected by the CPU having a pretty heavy workload?
I doubt the latter, since I've never noticed such a phenomenon when running
any (with the exception of one) of the several digitzed sound players we have
available.
Anybody got any ideas?
..Thanx...
..Eric...
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86989 24-APR 14:52 Programmers Den
RE: GCC2 ver 2.5.8 (Re: Msg 86987)
From: MITHELEN To: NIMITZ
Ya.. that happens some times (Delphi thinks you have uploaded all the files)
The complete submission is now in the new uploads database.
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86991 24-APR 15:39 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86959)
From: 01GEN40 To: ALL
I was somewhat surprised to see a thread on this subject here in the OS-9
forum. About 6 weeks (or more) ago when I first learned of PGP, I logged
into a local BBS here in San Diego and D/Led my own personal copy of it. I
have never liked the idea of censorship for the masses, and that is exactly
what this "Wonderful Government" of ours has in mind to do. They say it is
for the "Greater Good" that they want to catch the criminal and cut down on
crime! What I do not see is how "spying" on the GOOD is going to catch the
bad! After looking at this program and reading about it, I really cannot
see how... Please disregard this last statement. My posit
ronics wandered
a bit or 2 and had no relevance to this message.
I must go, more messages
to read. Have not been out here for more than a year, so you can imagine
the large number to be read. LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER>
01gen40@delphi.com
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86999 24-APR 20:11 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86991)
From: DSRTFOX To: 01GEN40 (NR)
The clipper chip doesn't make it any easier for the government to "spy" on
individuals. It does give the gov't the key to decrypt messages when needed.
A warratn is still required for a phone tap or even to get into a large system
e-mail. They do want to make SURE they can decrypt any messages IF getting
into a system is NECESSARY. The is ALL the clipper is good for. At the same
time,
it is a standardized encryption method that makes it harder for the average
person
to read your e-mail or otherwise intercept anything you send. Also makes it
harder for real spys to get info by simply calling up and d'l ing whatever they
want through internet. People seem to have the idea that someone actually WANTS
to periodically read
everything they send just for grins. There are some legitimate reasons for a
general purpose encryption system. The gov't wants the key so they can get into
mail files WHEN NECESSARY for prosecuting criminals. In case you haven't heard,
the really good dr
ug dealers and such now use e-mail, cellular phones, and everything else they
can afford (and they have plenty money!) to make their "business" more
profitable and efficient. When the gov't takes to making random samplings of
system E-mail and reading it t
hen I'll raise hell! But this isn't worth the fuss being raised! I do, however,
believe that the export of nearly all encryption software... banning export, I
mean... is going a bit to far. Are americans the only really great programmers
out there who can
turn out unbreakable encryption schemes? I don't think so....
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87006 25-APR 06:15 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86999)
From: JEJONES To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> A warrant is still required for a phone tap or even to get into a
> large system e-mail. They do want to make SURE they can decrypt any
> messages IF getting into a system is NECESSARY. The is ALL the clipper is
> good for.
As E.E. "Doc" Smith wrote in a different context, "But what an 'all'!"
Given the history of folks like J. Edgar Hoover, or the late President
Nixon's "enemies list," do you really think that the government will
need much excuse to claim that it's "necessary" to read encrypted messages?
Just the past week or so, President Clinton has said that gee, the Fourth
Amendment's provision prohibiting unreasonable search and seizure isn't
all that important compared to the possibility of catching criminals
in random searches without warrant in Chicago government-subsidized
housing projects.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87021 26-APR 02:18 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86999)
From: PAGAN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
>The clipper chip doesn't make it any easier for the government to "spy" on
>individuals. It does give the gov't the key to decrypt messages when
>needed. A warratn is still required for a phone tap or even to get into a
>large system e-mail.
There is a subtle difference between "liberty" and "license". Liberty is a
freedom that you are endowed with and no man has the right to trespass on
it. License is a conditional freedom granted by someone with the power to
regulate who may or may not have it. To be deprived of your liberty the
state must prove that you have committed specific offenses against other
individuals. To _gain_ a license you must prove that you meet certain
qualifications. Even then you can be denied.
A very fundamental difference between the two is where the burden of proof
lies. A 'liberty' exists until proven otherwise. A 'license' must be
petitioned from the state.
From The Office of the Press Secretary, April 16, 1993:
The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the
Federal Government together with industry in a VOLUNTARY PROGRAM to
improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while
meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. [Emphasis Added]
To be effective, the clipper chip must be the _only_ encryption available to
the public. All other expressions of the technology must be forbidden to
the people who are to be monitored. The contention that it is to be
"voluntary" is obfuscation to hide the intent of controlling encryption
technology by license.
From later in the same memo:
A "key-escrow" system will be established to ensure that the "Clipper
Chip" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each
device containing the chip will have two unique "keys," numbers that will
be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by
the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be
deposited separately in two "key-escrow" data bases that will be
established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be
limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
wiretap.
The privacy of your communications and data will no longer be under your
control. It will be granted or denied on the basis of decisions made by the
faceless bean counters who control the data base where the keys are stored.
A fundamental freedom to be secure in your "...persons, houses, papers and
effects..." will have been converted into a privilege.
Human rights issues aside, you point to one of the fundamental flaws in the
clipper chip scheme: The huge amounts of money that certain groups can
bring to bear to subvert it. Do you REALLY feel more secure knowing that
your private communications and data will be open to anyone with he money
to buy the key to your chip? If you doubt that this will happen, ask
yourself how speculators and con men alway seem to get the unlisted phone
numbers of lottery winners.
>They do want to make SURE they can decrypt any messages IF getting into a
>system is NECESSARY.
I'm sure they do. But a citizen's definition of "necessary" might be a
little different from a government's definition.
Remember the case of Steve Jackson Games? In 1990 the Secret Service raided
the company's offices looking for evidence of a hacker conspiracy. In
addition to three computers and a laser printer they confiscated every copy
of the GURPS Cyberpunk manual calling it "a handbook for computer crime".
Pretty damned thin (GURPS Cyberpunk is a _GAME_ for Crissakes!) but the
Secret Service was able to find a sympathetic judge who gave them a
warrant anyway.
The Secret Service later admitted that Steve Jackson Games wasn't a target of
the investigation. They just _suspected_ that they _might_ find some
evidence on the computers, so in they came!
>The is ALL the clipper is good for. At the same time, it is a standardized
>encryption method that makes it harder for the average person to read your
>e-mail or otherwise intercept anything you send. People seem to have the
>idea that someone actually WANTS to periodically read everything they send
>just for grins. There are some legitimate reasons for a general purpose
>encryption system. The gov't wants the key so they can get into mail files
>WHEN NECESSARY for prosecuting criminals.
Why do we need some "standardized encryption method" anyway? I, frankly,
get a little tired of those people who want to have standards for every
little thing. If Apple had listened to the "standards" at the time they
would have never created the Macintosh. If Kaplan, Crane and Dogget had
paid attention to the 'standards' they wouldn't have written OS9.
Cliff Stoll once pointed out that if the standards freaks had their way
every computer on the Internet would be like every other computer on the
Internet and the internet worm would have brought done all 60,000 instead of
about 10% of that.
>Also makes it harder for real spys to get info by simply calling up and
>d'l ing whatever they want through internet.
Which is going to be harder to steal, information encrypted with an unknown
algorithm or information that can be read by anyone with the money or
influence to get the necessary keys from the government computers? Betcha
dollars to donuts that DOD doesn't use clipper to encrypt it's secret
communication. Any takers?
>When the gov't takes to making random samplings of system E-mail and reading
>it t hen I'll raise hell! But this isn't worth the fuss being raised!
Sorry, but the only way to stop the government poking into and controlling
your affairs is to deny them the power to do so. Everything the government
claims about the clipper chip now sounds good and noble. Lenin and Trotsky
sounded pretty noble as they established the bureaucratic infrastructure
for Stalin. Mussolini had good intentions too - I think we all know what's
paved with those...
>I do, however, believe that the export of nearly all encryption software...
>banning export, I mean... is going a bit to far. Are americans the only
>really great programmers out there who can turn out unbreakable encryption
>schemes? I don't think so....
I'll certainly agree there.
That mere fact the government is prohibiting the export of software that
incorporates encryption technology should raise a few warning flags. None
of the algorithms on the restricted list is secret and few are proprietary.
They have all been published in various journals so why does our government
feel the need to restrict their export? The only explanation I find makes
sense is that it's an expression of the anal retentive nature of governments
to want to control everything!
All opinions expressed herein are mine but you can distribute them if you
want.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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End of Thread.
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86992 24-APR 15:51 Programmers Den
as_h6309.zip
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
I've got a new question for somebody. Anybody even.
I ftp'd over to chestnut a week or so back and picked up what looked like an
interesting file, as_h6309.zip. It purports to be an assembler for the
6809/6309 family of cpu's, with the 6309 stuffs being switchable for '809
only uses.
It 'unzip'ed without errors leaving me with 2 doc/man files and a .exe file
that is not an os9 file. On inspection with dump, it has a string containing
the words PKLITE in the first sector. I've tried to further un-archive this
file to no avail. Am I going to have to carry it to a pc that has PKLITE on
it to unpack it any farther, or is there a so called PKLITE convertor
available for os9?
Frankly it doesn't look too badly compressed, some of the other strings in
it almost survived!
Any help will be gratefully appreciated. Cheers all, Gene Heskett
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86994 24-APR 16:42 Programmers Den
RE: as_h6309.zip (Re: Msg 86992)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: WDTV5
Is it a cross asm. for the PC -> 6x09's ? As for the .EXE, that is probably
a self-extracting file, just run in on a PC, and it will extract..will you
actually be able to use this program though? I mean, if it is a PC .exe,
it will do the CoCo no good.. I have a cross asm for PC > 6809 around here
somewhere, I never use it though.. I have an XT sitting here with no
monitor or keyboard though, I am toying with the idea of hooking it up
to the coco, run the coco as a terminal to the XT and have the XT fork
command.com with stdin and stdout to the serial port (yes that actually
can be done under DOS, its just that that is the only process that runs)
most DOS apps wont run though (alot of DOS programs do direct screen
writes, those that dont use ANSI codes, THAT might work, but our color
set and all would make it messy..) but for the apps that I would actually
run on an XT it will work ok (I would probably put a few command-line
oriented compilers on the DOS box and definatly put that cross asm.)
If I do it, it will be more of a "well, why not?" type thing, the XT is
sitting around, and I have an un-used serial port... actually, 2
unused serial ports, on the coco...besides, an XT as a slave subsystem
is a nice idea.. :)
-* Mike
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87002 24-APR 21:25 Programmers Den
RE: as_h6309.zip (Re: Msg 86994)
From: WDTV5 To: ILLUSIONIST
I rather suspect thats exactly what it is Mike. I grabbed it thinking the
germans had managed to come up with a new, more capable version of our rma.
The docs don't mention its a bunch of INTEL code though, no place, no how.
What the docs do say is that it could be a better rma than rma, and that
it does the usual optimizations while its translating your source. Could
the fact that the standard comment marker is a semicolon confirm its
heritage?
Cheers, Gene
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End of Thread.
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86993 24-APR 16:42 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 86936)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LMCCLURE
I went over to the atari forum to try reading comp.os.os9 per
your instructions. Delphi responded with a message to the effect
of no such news group or delphi doesnt provide this newsgroup. I
am not a member of the atari forum so could that be the problem?
Or is there an error in "comp.os.os9"? Everything worked up to
that point.
Bests
---TedJaeger
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86995 24-APR 17:23 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 86993)
From: NIMITZ To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
Try going to the internet forum and choosing the USE option..
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87008 25-APR 06:59 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 86993)
From: LMCCLURE To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
"Delphi responded with a message to the effect of no such
news group or delphi doesnt provide this newsgroup. I
am not a member of the atari forum so could that be
the problem?"
No, not being a member of the Atari forum should have had no effect
like that. The only two times I have run across that message has
either been when (a) I spelled the group name wrong or (b) the group
actually was not available [which happened with one of the amiga groups
I used to read].
According to the list of Usenet groups I have (the Apple section's
Usenet reader has an option to fetch the current list), it is listed
as:
comp.os.os9 Discussions about the os9 operating system.
So it appears you got the spelling correct.
FTR, I tried going into to the Atari reader and using "comp.os.os9",
and had no problem (54 messages in the past 14 days, BTW).
BTW, once you do successfully access comp.os.os9, you can SAVE it to
your personal favorites, and when you select that item from any of the
Usenet readers, it will be listed by number, so that you will not have
to worry about possibly mistyping it. As I recall, you do this by
typing "SAVE" anytime you are actually in the newsgroup. (It has been
a while since I set my favorites up, so anyone feel free to correct me
if I am wrong).
[FTR = For the record]
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End of Thread.
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86996 24-APR 19:52 Programmers Den
RE: Pixel_Blaster (Re: Msg 86967)
From: DSRTFOX To: MICHAELJN (NR)
Presently, "the world of 68' micros" has more advertising than any other
CoCo related magazine. Part of this is the fact that it supports 68K and
CoCo (DECB & OS-9). So all the advertising won't be realted to everyone's
needs. See me in Chicago and get a subscription!
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86997 24-APR 19:53 Programmers Den
RE: _ss_play (Re: Msg 86970)
From: DSRTFOX To: MREGC
If no other replys, send a msg to Joel Hegberg.
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86998 24-APR 19:56 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86977)
From: DSRTFOX To: LMCCLURE
Don't let anyone scare you about those Sharp printers! Texas Instruments new
Professional 600 is nothing but a rebadged Sharp J9460. TI sells only with
two 250 sheet paper bins, Sharp with only one (the other is an extra cost
option). Difference in price of about $150! The 9400 is the 300 dpi model... or
is the 9460 the 600 dpi model of the 9400??? ;>
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87000 24-APR 20:29 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 86919)
From: MODEL299 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
The SyQuest I have is an "88 C" model. According to the place I got mine
from the "C" models will work with the 44MB cartridges just fine. I only
have 88MB cartridges so I have not tried one in it. Mark
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87001 24-APR 21:23 General Information
Trek
From: HAWKSOFT To: ALL
Has anyone (everyone?) entered the TV Guide StarTrek Sweepstakes?? Refer to
this weeks TV Guide for the 7 Trek Trivia questions and send your answers to
'TVGTREK@DELPHI.COM' The winner will attend the screening of the final
Star Trek: The Next Generation finale in Hollywood. I did! <g>
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >******************
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87003 24-APR 22:24 Programmers Den
_ss_play Problem 2
From: MREGC To: ALL
I've now got a second problem with the _ss_play function call. I play
any of a number of sounds, only lasting about a second each, depending upon
a given event occurring, which can happen at any time. If the same event
happens immediately twice in succession, and the same sound is sent to _ss_play
a second time before it has completed playing the first time, the program
errors out with I believe a bus trap error.
Anyone have any idea of the cause/solution to this problem?
..Thanx...
..Eric...
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87004 24-APR 23:01 System Modules (6809)
clocks
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
I just had a pleasant surprise! My speed record up to now for an sz file
send when hooked at 14.4v42, has been in the 535-539 area. I just sent a
43k compressed file to another local Amiga user and it went at 614 cps,
a noticable improvement, directly attributable to the reduced time my new
clock spends checking things at its tick time. This intrigues me, and
I may see if there is anything else I can do to speed it up even more.
In the meantime, if you are a 4n1 user and run in the native mode, give
this clock a try once Paul makes it visible. Cheers all, Gene
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87005 25-APR 01:17 System Modules (6809)
seral mouse is coool!
From: MDALENE To: ALL
I finaly got a serial mouse for my coco 3,. Using Bruceisteds driers it
flies! but I have a questio. Somethings such as games would be beter operated
with a joystick. How ccan I use both the mouse for gshell as well as my
hires interfacce simotaniously for games that need my deluxe joystick/
Is there a patch I can do to the new cc3io so I can have both?// Also
althougn my mouse is both Logitec,mousesystems and microsoft compatible
could a patcch be made to thew new cc3io that would let me change windows
with my third mouse button? if so how? I have the smouse.ar package and
its source whicch I think is also in esw110.ar (Thats where I got mine)
so asm sources of patcching is not that hard to do if I must do it by
sourcecode to add those funchions I ddesire.
My mouse is a procorp mouse II with support of 6400 DPI! works
super on gshell.. not sure if I want to play Rescue on fractalis with a
mouse though. it would drivve me crazy! a trackball.....? that would do!
also wherre can I get the information on how to write programs
in decb to use it? I need the specs. who has those/
Michele Marie Dalene
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87007 25-APR 06:43 Programmers Den
RE: HeapSort (Re: Msg 86957)
From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST
Mike,
> :) I have 2nd ed. and it isnt in there, that was the first place I looked
> .I will see if I can find a copy of 1st ed. thanks..
Here is a heapsort for you, in C though (I forget where I got this).
* H e a p S o r t . C
* -- the heap sorting algorithm
*
* NOTE This version of heapsort is based on section 8.4 of the
* textbook "Data Structures and Algorithms", by Aho, Hopcroft,
* and Ullman, from Addison-Wesley, Reading MA, 1983. Computer
* Science 124 "Data Structures" pays off! Heapsort is always
* O(n log n) while quicksort can be O(n^2) if the data is
* already sorted. The main differences between the text and
* this code are 1) This is in C, not pseudocode, and 2) The
* array is sorted into ascending, not descending order.
*/
* # I n c l u d e s
*/
#include <stdio.h>
* S t a t i c V a r i a b l e s
*/
static char *A; /* Array pointer */
static int n; /* Number of elts in array */
static int size; /* Size of elts in array */
static int (*compfunc)(); /* Pointer to compare function */
static char *swapbuf; /* A place to swap to */
* # D e f i n e s
*/
* MACRO lessthan()
* PURPOSE Hide all the compfunc() calling grunge
*/
#define lessthan(i1, i2) ((* compfunc) (A + size*(i1), A + size*(i2)) == -1)
* FUNCTION heapsort()
* PURPOSE Sorts using the heapsort algorithm
* TAKES char *array, the base of the array to sort
* int n, the number of elements to sort
* int size, the size of the elements
* int (* compfunc)(), a function returning int, for compares
* GIVES void; array is sorted at base
*/
heapsort(array, num, siz, comfun)
char *array;
int num;
int siz;
int (* comfun)();
{
int i; /* Index through array */
/* Copy to static variables */
A = array-siz; /* Make array 1..n rather than 0..n-1 */
n = num;
size = siz;
compfunc = comfun;
if ((swapbuf = malloc(size)) == NULL)
{
writeln(2, "heapsort: malloc failed\n", 80);
exit(207);
}
/* Establish the partially ordered tree property initially */
for (i = n/2; i >= 1; i--)
pushdown(i, n);
/* Now get it in sorted order */
for (i = n; i >= 2; i--)
{
/* Remove maximum from front of heap */
swap(1, i);
/* Re-establish partially ordered tree property */
pushdown(1, i-1);
}
/* Free the malloced memory */
free(swapbuf);
}
static pushdown(first, last)
int first, last;
{
int r; /* Indicates the current position of A[first] */
/* Initialization */
r = first;
while (r <= last/2)
{
if (last == 2*r)
{
/* r has one child at 2*r */
if (lessthan(r, 2*r))
/* Swap r with only child */
swap(r, 2*r);
/* Escape from while loop */
r = last;
}
else
{
/* r has two children, at 2*r and 2*r+1 */
if (lessthan(r, 2*r) &&
!lessthan(2*r, 2*r+1))
{
/* Swap r with left child */
swap(r, 2*r);
r = 2*r;
}
else if (lessthan(r, 2*r+1) &&
lessthan(2*r, 2*r+1))
{
/* Swap r with right child */
swap(r, 2*r+1);
r = 2*r+1;
}
else
/* r is ok where it is */
r = last;
}
}
}
static swap(i1, i2)
int i1, i2;
{
_strass(swapbuf, A+size*i1, size);
_strass(A+size*i1, A+size*i2, size);
_strass(A+size*i2, swapbuf, size);
}
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87009 25-APR 08:01 Programmers Den
RE: HeapSort (Re: Msg 87007)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)
Thanks! I was hoping to get a copy in C too...
-* Mike
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End of Thread.
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87010 25-APR 21:30 OSK Applications
zmodem crash recovery
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
Does OSK RZ 3.24 support crash recovery? If yes, how does it
work with Delphi's zmodem?
Hugo
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87013 25-APR 22:02 OSK Applications
RE: zmodem crash recovery (Re: Msg 87010)
From: MITHELEN To: MRGOOD (NR)
Yes, RZ/SZ 3.24 suppors crash recovery, No, you can not use crash recovery
with Delphi's Zmodem... At least not for downloads, not sure on uploads.
(I doubt it) I'm almost 100% sure Delphi uses a version of Zmodem that was
before crash recovery came into existance...
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End of Thread.
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87011 25-APR 21:32 General Information
Coco stuff for sale
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
Now that I've got my MM1 doing everything I want it to do,
my Coco 3 system is up FOR SALE - sniff
Hardware
--------
512K Coco 3 (newer GIME chip)..............................$80 (SOLD)
Multipak - new style, modified.............................$80 (SOLD)
ST-225 20 meg hard disk w/case, power supply and cables....$60
Vintage 1987 B&B interface w/real time clock...............$60 (SOLD)
Tandy 2-button mouse with Hi-res interface.................$10
Tandy DMP130 9-pin dot-matrix printer......................$50
Disto Mini-controller......................................$10
Floppy drive case (no screws)..............................$15
Speech/Sound Pak modified for 2 MHz operation..............$15 (SOLD)
360K bare half-height floppy drive.........................$25
If you don't like the hardware prices listed above, make an
offer and I'll consider it.
Make an offer for the software titles listed below. Most have
documentation.
OS9 Software
------------
TS/Edit & TS/Word
Sub Battle Simulator
Flight Simulator II
Dynacalc
Home Publisher
OS9 Level I V1.01
OS9 Level I V2.0
OS9 Level II 2.00.01
Multi-vue
PowerBoost 1.0
Koronis Rift
Zone Runner
The Interbank Incident
DECB Software
-------------
FlightSim I
Pyramix
Disk Graphics
The Sands of Eqypt
Rainbow on Disk Jan-Apr and June-Dec 1987
Investograph
TS/Edit
Color Connection
Books
-----
TRS-80 Color Computer Assembly Language Programming
by William Barden
Flight Simulator & Flight Simulator II
82 Challenging Adventures
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87012 25-APR 21:35 Programmers Den
C Compiler
From: JRUPPEL To: ALL
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to assemble a C programming environment
using the Level II RMA? I assume there has to be, I'm just not proficient
enough or knowledgable enough to figure it out <G>.
John Ruppel
>>>>>>>GO WINGS>>>>>>>
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87014 25-APR 22:07 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 86929)
From: NEWKID To: CHARLESAM (NR)
If all things remain the same, I'll be making a trip out there soon. I'll
have to hunt for your address again. If I don't find it I'll give you a buzz.
I'll be starting a game by mail with one of my co-workers. He's a good
player, but I7ve beaten him one or twice.
Don't feel bad about OS-9. We have all been beginners at one time or another.
And, some of us ( me encluding) will always be. May next adventure will be
into C. The worst part being there is a wealth of information (patches, modules
changes, etc) to wade through. Picking the right combination will be the real
challenge.
Talk to you.
James
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87015 25-APR 22:08 General Information
RE: Rick Ulland (Re: Msg 86868)
From: NEWKID To: CHARLESAM (NR)
I have in the past two weeks. Leave me mail, I'll give you info if needed.
James
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87016 25-APR 22:27 General Information
RE: Troubles (Re: Msg 86905)
From: NEWKID To: RANDYKWILSON
Thanks, I'll try it and let you know how it works out.
James
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87017 25-APR 23:32 General Information
RE: Troubles (Re: Msg 86905)
From: NEWKID To: RANDYKWILSON
Thanks Randy. It worked like a charm. I have back my old system again. I
guess I didn't have the meta characters set in my previous use of shell+.
Now to explore...
James
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End of Thread.
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87018 25-APR 23:43 General Information
RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 86794)
From: TONYPODRAZA To: REVWCP (NR)
A member of Glenside can never be a threat to Glenside. It is as impossible
as someONE saying "yes" for a loaf of bread after 40 days. Where do you meet?
I detect a "road trip for northern Chicagoland CoCo-ists. hehe WE LOVE ROAD
TRIPS!!!!!
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87019 26-APR 00:06 General Information
RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87018)
From: MITHELEN To: TONYPODRAZA (NR)
Hey.. I'm game for a road trip, as long as it is on a weekend!
"We got a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're
wearing sun glasses....... Hit it!"
--
Paul
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87022 26-APR 18:36 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87021)
From: PHILSCHERER To: PAGAN
Anyhow, how would anybody know if someone spied on private messages without
getting permission from anyone. If the government has the wherewithall to
read encripted messages they will do it with or without permission. <Phil>
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87024 26-APR 19:42 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87006)
From: JOHNREED To: JEJONES
....."and then they came for me, and there was nobody
left to protest"
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87035 27-APR 20:47 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87021)
From: DSRTFOX To: PAGAN
You come up with VERY valid points! I guess the main thing I'm concerned about
is that there is really not much reason for the average individual to be so
concerned with encryption. Businesses with large amounts of valuable dat to
protect are a different story. My point of view to this point has been from
the average computer user. You must admit that the "average user" cares
and knows little compared to the "average" OS-9 and now CoCo user. We tend to
be more technically oriented because OS-9 has pretty much made us that way,
but mostly because you need to know more to squeeze that extra bit of
usefullness from a CoCo.. to do almost anything with a CoCo nowadays! I
just bought a 128K CC3 and CM-8 from a guy for $75. All because RS said
they couldn't even get him a cassette cable a year ago! Those dealers know
nothing.... so we have to know more (pretty easy... huh?).
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End of Thread.
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87023 26-APR 19:42 General Information
RE: setup (Re: Msg 86990)
From: JOHNREED To: NIMITZ
OK, lets see..
MM/1a (68340)
8-meg "backplane"
Monitor - CM-8 (got a Magnavox for a spare)
H0 - 170 m Seagate
H1 - 40 m Quantum
D0 - Orig 1.4m floppy
T0 - Null modem to "386" or upstairs term
T1 - (unused - no paddle)
T2 - Rodent (Generic Mouse)
T3 - Supra Modem 2400
T4 - ViVa 14.4 faxmodem
T5 - (unused - no paddle)
P - Deskjet 500
P1 - (pretty much useless - we need a driver that can use
them both at once)
Sometimes I print on an Epson (AP 5000) via T0 using the
messydos machine for a printer driver (sneaky, huh?)
Have used a second 3.5" drive D1 and a 5-1/4 1.2m drive as D2 but
I didn't use them much - stuck them in the "386".
Have some Koss amplified speakers - but my MM/1a is mute. (NUDGE).
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87034 27-APR 20:46 General Information
RE: setup (Re: Msg 87023)
From: NIMITZ To: JOHNREED (NR)
Thanks, John. It's been interesting reading!!
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End of Thread.
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87025 26-APR 20:08 General Information
RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87018)
From: REVWCP To: TONYPODRAZA (NR)
Currently we meet at Rick Ullands apartment in Milwaukee. But maybe we can
find something further south. It is an informal group, I do a lot of brain
storming,
(anything in my brain would have to be a storm - Moe of the Three Stooges)
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87026 26-APR 20:25 OSK Applications
Epson ESCP2
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNREED
John,
I see you uploaded a TEX driver for Epson ESC P2 printers. I recently
purchased an Epson Stylus 300 and am hoping to get some tex experience
under my belt. In the docs for your program, you stated that
things were still a little rough. Have you developed the
software any further?
Hugo
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87032 27-APR 20:32 OSK Applications
RE: Epson ESCP2 (Re: Msg 87026)
From: JOHNREED To: MRGOOD
> I see you uploaded a TEX driver for Epson ESC P2 printers. I recently
> purchased an Epson Stylus 300 and am hoping to get some tex experience
> under my belt. In the docs for your program, you stated that
> things were still a little rough. Have you developed the
> software any further?
Hugo,
The DVI->ESCP2 driver was an early attempt to get a decent printout
of TEX documents on my Action Printer 5000. It does pretty well with
plain text, approximating font styles and sizes with the printer's
built-in scalable fonts. It gets real confused with some horizontal
and vertical lines (rules). I didn't go any farther with the driver
after TIMKIENTZLE uploaded a more complete TEX/LATEX package with
a whole herd of DVI-printer drivers. If the Stylus 300 will accept
older 24-pin Epson Graphics commands, you should find that Tim's
dvie24 driver in that package gives excellent results. You can
also run DVI files through the `dvips' program (also uploaded by
TIMKIENTZLE), and then print them with Ghostscript's ESC/P2 driver.
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87039 27-APR 22:05 OSK Applications
RE: Epson ESCP2 (Re: Msg 87032)
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNREED (NR)
John,
Thanks for replying. I'll take a look at Tim's most recent
uploads. I really don't want to get into Ghostscript stuff. It
seems to add complexity to what should be a simple task.
Hugo
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End of Thread.
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87027 26-APR 21:51 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 86712)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ROBERT84 (NR)
You should contact Owl Computer and see about an upgrade to v.1.3, otherwise
any patches I write might (probably) won't work with your version. The
upgrade wasn't significant, as I remeber, only a 1 page addendum to the
original manual, but it fixed some bugs and I think it changed the file
format.
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87028 26-APR 22:30 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87014)
From: CHARLESAM To: NEWKID (NR)
Good to hear from you again. I'm going to the fest in May so if you need
anything
call me. I'll get back with more later. Charlie
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87037 27-APR 20:54 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87028)
From: DSRTFOX To: NEWKID (NR)
There are a lot of patches and such to wade through, so much so that I came
out with an "upgrade" disk that many have referred to as "Level II version 2"
though it isn't that officially. What it is is a collection of the most
used/needed/recommended patches for Level II all on awo disk set that gas
(has!!) an auto-patch util with it. Answer a few questions and the patches
are installed! All you do then is edit the supplied bootlist to your liking
and run OS9Gen. You need 2 DS40T drives (at least1... the other can be 80T)
to run the autopatch feature, also 512K. The disk set is $7.50 + $2.50 S&H,
or you can get it from FARNA Systems at the fest in Chicago.
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End of Thread.
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87029 26-APR 23:51 General Information
OS9000
From: DPHILIPSEN To: ALL
Can anyone give me some information on OS9000? I'm working with a
company who is undertaking a project that will require a real-time
multitasking system and they are seriously considering OS9000. I'm
especially looking for any information or help regarding device
drivers and embedded assembly language in c source code. Also, I am
assuming that programming the 386/486 in assembly language may be a
little different than DOS assembly language.
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87030 27-APR 19:02 Programmers Den
Real Make...
From: RHELLER To: ALL
I am looking for a real live make for OSK. Microware's make is somewhat
braindead (a real pain to use if one is use gcc/g++, etc.). I just downloaded
and tried the "MAKE FOR OSK" make in the Programmers Den file area here, but
it too seems to have interesting problems -- it does not use "Makefile" by
default (instead, it leaves its "makefile" variable uninitialized (== NULL),
and I get a #102 (bus error) error). And it does not know how to deal with
a full abs. path for a target. Sigh.
Has anyone ported Gnu Make to OSK?
Robert
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87036 27-APR 20:49 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87030)
From: NIMITZ To: RHELLER (NR)
GNU Make is on chestnut, I think. It is probably in the databases here,
and almost certainly on lucy.ifi.unibas.edu. If you can't find it, let
me know, and I'll upload it.
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End of Thread.
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87031 27-APR 20:21 System Modules (6809)
Dynacalc problem
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: ALL
I have upgraded to Nitros9 awhile back and now dynacalc crashes the computer
i confirmed its nitros by booting up to a normal os9 disk and it works fine
anyone else have this problem or better yet a solution??
Mike
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87040 27-APR 23:01 System Modules (6809)
RE: Dynacalc problem (Re: Msg 87031)
From: WDTV5 To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
I'm running it too Mike, without any probs, just did my taxes with it too.
Which version Nitro are you up to?
-=Gene=-
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End of Thread.
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87033 27-APR 20:35 General Information
RE: Disk backup (Re: Msg 87000)
From: DSRTFOX To: MODEL299 (NR)
Thanks for the tip! Will check it out.
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87038 27-APR 21:07 Applications (6809)
ESC/P22 code
From: JRUPPEL To: ALL
Can OSK code be transported to the Coco? In particular, I am interested in
the DVI-ESC/P2 code that is herre on the OSK database. Any clues?
John Ruppel
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87041 28-APR 16:48 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87036)
From: RHELLER To: NIMITZ
I did not see it here or on chestnut (last time I checked (but I only snarfed
the ls-lR file, so if it was uploaded recently, I'd have missed it)).
Robert
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87042 28-APR 16:56 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87036)
From: RHELLER To: NIMITZ
lucy.ifi.unibas.edu is not known domain. Do you have a filename for GNU Make
on chestnut? The only make is make.ar in the OS9 (6809) section. There is
makeinfo and m4 in the /pub/OSK/GNU directory on chestnut.cs.uwisc.edu.
Robert
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87043 28-APR 20:44 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87042)
From: NIMITZ To: RHELLER
I'm sorry, try lucy.ifi.unibas.CH.
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87045 28-APR 21:58 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87042)
From: KSCALES To: RHELLER
Hi, Robert -
> lucy.ifi.unibas.edu is not known domain.
I think this should be "lucy.ifi.unibas.ch". I ftp'ed over there during
the Christmas break. Don't know offhand if there is a version of 'make'
available there or not.
Cheers... / Ken
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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87074 30-APR 19:14 Programmers Den
RE: Real Make... (Re: Msg 87041)
From: JOHNREED To: RHELLER (NR)
> I did not see it here or on chestnut (last time I checked (but I only snarfed
> the ls-lR file, so if it was uploaded recently, I'd have missed it)).
I saw it (GNU-Make) on wuarchive.wustl.edu -- along with a
huge herd of other GNUs.
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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End of Thread.
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87044 28-APR 21:38 Programmers Den
RE: GCC2 ver 2.5.8 (Re: Msg 86985)
From: KEITHBAUER To: NIMITZ
David
> Keith, those are indeed in another file, somehow DELPHI got the idea I
> was done with this upload before I was. In fact, Paul just broke into my
Okay, I will look for the rest this weekend. By the way here is my MM/1
setup:
8 Meg using the new back plane
/h0 213 meg Maxtor Hard drive
/d0 3-1/2 1.4mg
/t0
/t2 Dexxa Mouse
/t3
/t4 14.4K modem
8CM815 Monitor
Panasonic 9 Pin KX-P1180 printer
See ya
Keith Bauer
CIS:71102,317 Delphi:keithbauer Internet:kbauer@pids.com
Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01 How 'bout them Cowboys!
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87046 28-APR 22:59 General Information
RE: Current Periodicals (Re: Msg 87037)
From: JEVESTAL To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> There are a lot of patches and such to wade through, so much so that I
> came out with an "upgrade" disk that many have referred to as "Level II
> version 2" though it isn't that officially. What it is is a collection of
> the most used/needed/recommended patches for Level II all on awo disk set
> that gas (has!!) an auto-patch util with it. Answer a few questions and
> the patches are installed! All you do then is edit the supplied bootlist
> to your liking and run OS9Gen. You need 2 DS40T drives (at least1... the
> other can be 80T) to run the autopatch feature, also 512K. The disk set is
> $7.50 + $2.50 S&H, or you can get it from FARNA Systems at the fest in
> Chicago.
I thought that Patch09 was a CoNect product and I think Rick sells it for
only $3.50 or something like that.
Jim
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87047 29-APR 07:07 General Information
classifieds
From: DGANTZ To: ALL
Just a friendly little reminder, and a friendly request (to save us all
online time). If you have a posted classified in the classified section
and the item or items have been sold, please update or remove your
classified. If need help consult EDDIEKUNS or MITHLEN, they manage
our databases, but may be able to advise on the updating or removal
of classifieds. Last time I checked out the classifieds (prior to today)
I found out that 80 to 90% of what I wanted to buy was sold months to 2
years prior. And there I was stuck with an investment in online time
and nothing to show for it.
DGANTZ
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87048 29-APR 09:52 General Information
RE: classifieds (Re: Msg 87047)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: DGANTZ (NR)
Marty Goodman will be deleting all classifieds older than 3 months
very soon..
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87053 29-APR 22:24 General Information
RE: classifieds (Re: Msg 87047)
From: MRUPGRADE To: DGANTZ (NR)
I call it theh barn door syndrome.
Most every one closes it on th way in,, and leaves it swinging in theh breeze
as they exit.
assifieds here are a great bonus for all Delphi users. After they've
helped you,, please help others by askin theh item be removed. That makes
them much more realistic,, andn many will rely on them.
Sorry,, but I hate the doors left swinging,,, just cause somone's no longer
needing theh barn for them selves.
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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End of Thread.
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87049 29-APR 19:35 Telecom (6809)
Loading SC to another window
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
I'm having a problem loading supercomm into a given window from startup.
I've tried SC >/w1, SC <>/w1, SC <>>>/w1, SC <>>>/w1&. None work. If any
one here has a solution I'd be appreciative to hear it. Of course I use
supercomm, not SC, but its the redirection I can't master. If I can load
supercomm into a window from a script file, I can load anything else.
No, thats a lie! I can't load DMTree from scriptfile either, but I
believe thats the nature of DMTree. Thanx Charlie
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87054 29-APR 22:26 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87049)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: CHARLESAM (NR)
Try sc <>>>/w&
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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End of Thread.
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87050 29-APR 21:41 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 87027)
From: ROBERT84 To: NEALSTEWARD
I have contacted them before about the program. They said they don't even
have anyone there familiar with it anymore, and could not help me. How do
you like that.
Thanks, Bob
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87051 29-APR 22:18 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 87050)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ROBERT84
I will make an effort to contact the author and see if he will support it
anymore, and if he can arrange for another distributor since it is THE
BEST word processor I have even seen for coco os9.
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87064 30-APR 16:13 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 87051)
From: DBREEDING To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
RE: Word processor from OwlWare
> I will make an effort to contact the author and see if he will support it
> anymore, and if he can arrange for another distributor since it is THE
> BEST word processor I have even seen for coco os9.
I have Bob Van Der Poel's ved/vpt combo. Not familiar with the w/p you
speak of, but this setup can really put out some great text. This is a
separate text editor/Text Formatter combo (vpt could work with any text
editor), but I am really impressed.
You may have to set up your own vpt..init file, (something like a printer
descriptor file, although examples for several printers are included), but
when you get it set up, you can produce some really fabulous text. The
control codes may be a little ambiguous, but they work. I understand Bob
was the writer of Telewriter 64/128.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87066 30-APR 16:20 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 87064)
From: MITHELEN To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Wait, word processor from OwlWare... That would be WindoWriter? You're kidding
when you say it is the BEST you have ever seen for OS-9... right? The only
thing I found of vaule in that package was the ram disk...
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87077 30-APR 22:15 General Information
RE: patches (Re: Msg 87051)
From: ROBERT84 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
I would really appreciate that, I have the docs for version 1.2, and a disk
with a serial number on it if that is what he would need to know that I have
a real copy of the program. I really appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Bob
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End of Thread.
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87052 29-APR 22:23 General Information
Boot Problem
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
HELP!!! I can't figure this one out...
When I os9gen a bootdisk, mount it in drive 0 and type DOS, the read heads
move to track 34 and the OS9 BOOT message appears as it should. The problem
I am having is that it immediately goes to the hard drive to finish the boot
process and will not allow me to boot entirely from floppy. When I try this
on a system without a HD, the boot just seems to hang up as if it is looking
for a HD. So I cannot generate a system boot for my son's floppy based
system. I can boot successfully from my ORIGINAL system master floppy on
both systems, but then I don't have access to my hard drive unless I manually
load HDisk and H0. I split the orignal OS9boot file into separate modules
and os9gened a new one with ALL the same original modules, and the problem
reoccured!? I have checked the CRS's of all the modules and os9gen and
everything is the same. Does anyone know why this occurs? Can it be a
function of RGBDOS or the RGB utilities that allow for booting OS-9 from the
HD? How do I correct the problem?
(FYI: I have a 2 meg Coco 3, 80 meg SCSI HD, Ken-Ton SCSI Interface, Disto
SCII with a Tandy Smartwatch and RGBDOS partitioned with 5 RSDOS compatible
drives for OS9 bootfiles.)
Thanks for any help,
Neal
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87055 29-APR 23:03 General Information
RE: Boot Problem (Re: Msg 87052)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: NEALSTEWARD
If it goes to the hard drive to get the OS9BOOT file, after loading the
base kernel from track 34 on floppy, then you have a modified Boot module.
I do not see a 6309 listed in your message, so I'm going to assume no PBoost
or Nitros. This trick will only work if both systems are the same CPU-wise.
First, boot with your original Tandy disk. Then, insert your new disk, and
press reset *once*. When you hit reset only once, OS9 re-reads the OS9BOOT
file, without reloading the kernel from track 34. Since the kernel currently
in memory is the Tandy, it will go to floppy for the bootfile.
The other side of this is os9gen and cobbler. This utilities always write out
the kernel that's in memory to track 34. So, at this point, you can 'gen a boot
for your son, and it will get the floppy Boot module. The bad side is that
you'll lose any patches you've done to the kernel (OS9P1 only).
And, since this *is* OS9, there is another way to do it. Somewhere lurking
in the data base here is a utility called KUtil. This was specificly designed
to do things like this. It will allow you to "lift" the Boot module from the
Tandy disk (floppy), and stick it into the track 34 stuff of your new disk.
It's been a while since I've worked with this, so exact details are hazy. Read
the docs. :>
Randy
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87056 29-APR 23:12 General Information
RE: Boot Problem (Re: Msg 87052)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD
Hi Neal; From the description, its most obvious cause is that you are using
the module "boot", part of track 34 from the RGB software kit. Your easiest
fix is to go back to the database here and get my package of krnlutils.
They are designed to make accessing the track 34 stuffs *much* easier.
Between that utility kit, and my "vfy", preferably the latest edition, you can
do anything you want to do to the "hidden track" of an os9 bootable diskette.
I'd suggest making a fresh dir of the hard drive call KRNL or some such, then
using vfy, split the kernal off the distribution disk to get the stock "boot",
do the same with the one that won't work, and re-merge or cpa them back using
the stock boot in place of yours. The krnlutils kit has a util to make a
directory entry and fd that points to the kernal track which then can be copied
off
to wherever, and a "krnlmvr" util that can take a kernal track from anyplace
that has a direntry pointing to it and put it back on your sones disk, can't
spell either! But its easier to do than to describe once the utility's are
in hand. Don't feel too bad, I've done the same thing a time or 2 when I
was running an older st-238r. Now I'm scsi and went back to a floppy based
boot, I change mine sometimes daily and doing that on the hrad drive is too
much like playing russian roulette with all 6 chambers loaded! This way I
can just back up one generation fof floppy and hit the reset twice to
recover. fewer headaches by far even if the floppy boot is slow.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com
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87063 30-APR 15:23 General Information
RE: Boot Problem (Re: Msg 87052)
From: JPOTTAGE To: NEALSTEWARD
The problem is probably that you have a modified sysgo or init
along with H0 defined. Try nameing H0 HD. Further, if DD is
defined as the hard drive, you will have to delete it from the
boot file and insert a DD driver that looks to the floppy.
Hope this helps.
PS. I believe DD must be defined as a floppy drive even if
you have not modified your sysgo or init files.
o o
U
\_/
/ Jim Pottage \
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87069 30-APR 18:22 General Information
RE: Boot Problem (Re: Msg 87063)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: JPOTTAGE (NR)
DD doesnt have to be a floppy, it can be anything you wish, on my "big"
coco, I have 2 MFM hard drives, and a SCSI drive.. /DD is the larger
SCSI, and /H0 and /H1 are the 2 30 meg MFM's ...
-* Mike
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End of Thread.
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87057 30-APR 00:55 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 86999)
From: 10BAUD To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Drug dealers use automobiles too. That DOES NOT mean that every car should
have to file a "flight plan" with the government so that drug dealers can be
caught.
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87059 30-APR 01:25 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 86881)
From: 10BAUD To: MROWEN01 (NR)
I use an HP ink jet on a 486 at work and an EPSON AP3250 (24 pin monochrome)
on my coco. When it's my own money, I have a hard time justifying the ink jet.
It seems the primary advantage is quiet operation. I paid about $169 for my
Epson. Today at the Hamvention here in Dayton, I saw a 24 pin panasonic color
model for $129. All the ink jets seem to be priced over $400. Choices are
good (I think).
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87071 30-APR 18:46 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87059)
From: JEJONES To: 10BAUD
> All the ink jets seem to be priced over $400. Choices are good (I think).
Eh? Ink jets that can do color are definitely over $400, but several
black-and-white ink jet printers are well under $400.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87072 30-APR 18:58 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87059)
From: LMCCLURE To: 10BAUD
"All the ink jets seem to be priced over $400."
If all the ink jets you have seen are over $400, either you have
definitely been looking in the wrong places, or you don't consider
anything that prints in black only to be an inkjet. <grin>
For color printing, (unless for some strange reason you are only
printing color text), a dot matrix can't touch and inkjet for quality.
A dot matrix simply has too much banding and smearing, and not enough
saturation.
Frankly, I would trade my color-capable Citizen GSX-140 24-pin any day
of the week for a Canon BJ-200 or H-P DJ500...maybe even an Epson Stylus.
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87084 1-MAY 12:59 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87072)
From: 10BAUD To: LMCCLURE (NR)
I must admit I don't do color printing, or printing that would really
benefit from color. That may be why I'm so satisfied with my 24 pin
black and white Epson Action Printer 3250.
Are you implying that a b/w ink jet is as inexpensive as a 24 pin?
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End of Thread.
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87060 30-APR 02:18 Programmers Den
RE: Pixel_Blaster (Re: Msg 86996)
From: MICHAELJN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Thanks for the info. I will not be able to join you at Chicago but I will
consider subscribing.
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87061 30-APR 03:45 Telecom (6809)
New Xmout module for Ribbs
From: STEWARD To: ALL
I have just submitted a new Xmout module for Ribbs, that will allow the
transfer of files with a Dbridge system during a Wazoo session. Should also
continue to work with current systems.
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87062 30-APR 09:34 General Information
RE: Internet (Re: Msg 87008)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LMCCLURE
Thanks, I'll try again. Do know I got spelling right.
Bests
---TedJaeger
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87065 30-APR 16:14 Programmers Den
RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 87012)
From: DBREEDING To: JRUPPEL (NR)
> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to assemble a C programming
> environment using the Level II RMA?
I'm assuming you are asking how to call it from "CC"? If so, you have
2-3 options.
1) Rename rma c.asm in commands file.
2) Stop before assembly ( cc1 -a prog...) then call "rma" manually.
3) There are several replacement "cc's" available here and elsewhere
that are/can be modified.
4) Edit current "cc1". Use "ded" or other means to locate character
string "c.asm". Then replace with "rma\0". Be sure to terminate
it with the null (original 'm' will be ignored).
You will also have to use "rlink" to link the code, since the original
"c.link" cannot handle "rma" output, since "rma" includes additional
data. "rlink" _CAN_, however, link code produced by "c.asm".
The above suggestions can apply for "rlink" also.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87067 30-APR 17:11 Telecom (6809)
RiBBS
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: ALL
Does anyone out there use RiBBS with the Tandy deluxe RS-232 pak?
A friend has one that he can't seem to get to work. When people call after the
connect 2400 message the computer just sits there. It will not respond to the
caler. Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.
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87068 30-APR 17:19 Telecom (6809)
RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87067)
From: STEWARD To: DENNYWRIGHT
Well, a few things come to mind. Does if have the correct carrier call code
and Carrier bit set in rconfig for the serial port driver he's using? Does he
have the swapped cable?
Is Ribbs reporting a Carrier Detected message before the Connect message?
Let me know what his system confiqureation is as far as what driver port, his
setting in his rconfig etc.
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87070 30-APR 18:39 Telecom (6809)
RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87068)
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: STEWARD
carrier callcode is 130, carrier bit is 64, Using Sacia and /T2 with a swa
pped
cable. I don't know if there is a carrier detected message or not. Hope this
helps.
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87073 30-APR 18:58 Telecom (6809)
RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87070)
From: STEWARD To: DENNYWRIGHT (NR)
For Sacia, he needs a Carrier Callcode of 40. Also, find out what his xmode
is for /t2
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87081 1-MAY 09:09 Telecom (6809)
RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87070)
From: JWILKERSON To: DENNYWRIGHT (NR)
I think he should use MWP rather than SACIA. That is what Ed and I
used..... too bad Ed has disappeared.....
Seeya
-- John
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End of Thread.
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87075 30-APR 21:37 Applications (6809)
RE: ESC/P22 code (Re: Msg 87038)
From: CHYDE To: JRUPPEL (NR)
As long as the source is in C (or perhaps basic) the code should be portable.
Unfortunately the program may require more mempry than the 6809's 64k
workspace. You may be able to work around this using virtual memory,
but you would have to write the paging routines, which may or may not
be easy <g>. Of course if I remeber right the dvi-esc/p2 program requires
the input file to be a Tex dvi file and Tex is just too large to run
on the CoCo.
Chris
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87076 30-APR 21:40 General Information
RE: VIP Writer (Re: Msg 86979)
From: BANDMAN To: WA2EGP
Thanks for the comeback! I have located what I needed from another SIG member!
DELPHI and the Community comes through again! Thanks again for the help!
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87078 1-MAY 01:46 General Information
hi!
From: NETCRUISER To: ALL
hi all! glad to be back! used to be user DEMIGOD, missed y'all!
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87079 1-MAY 01:47 Applications (6809)
msdos
From: NETCRUISER To: ALL
does anyone know of an msdos program that will read and write os9 disks?
ive been looking for one for a while now, cant seem to find...
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87083 1-MAY 11:34 Applications (6809)
RE: msdos (Re: Msg 87079)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: NETCRUISER (NR)
> does anyone know of an msdos program that will read and write os9 disks?
> ive been looking for one for a while now, cant seem to find...
There is one called Elite*Xfer. Available from:
Elite Software
Box 11224
Pittsburgh, PA 15238
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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End of Thread.
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87080 1-MAY 01:49 Programmers Den
programmers den
From: CEELEE To: ALL
Help, OS9cn(tom Birt, told me that someone had offered to release the source
code for STG bbs (I think). I would like,along with others in the OS9 Users of
San Diego, try porting it to os9000. also if anyone has been working on graphic
progerxxx orxxx prog
ramming with OS9000 please let us know. either Myself CeeLee or OS9CN
Thanks.
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87082 1-MAY 10:29 Applications (6809)
Home manager
From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Well Frank, we went to the speedier means last night to cut time ratios from
Canada. As youo suggested,, download. I downloaded theh latest ver of
a
nice things added. Unless you using a PC for your subscriberlist,,, you
may want to use theh mailer in this one. It goes anywhere from a simple
"aunt Martha's Christmas list,, to a pub;
publishers (international) mail base. EXp dates an all. It beats anything
I've seen.
BTW,, could get "Y" modem to recieve in ULTERM??? Xmodem worked fine. now
I gotta move 'em to OS with OS-Copy. Dan
Darn,, I may have to learn OS yet.
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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87085 1-MAY 13:15 Telecom (6809)
RE: Supercomm... (Re: Msg 86524)
From: 10BAUD To: DBREEDING (NR)
Not a big point, but every time I see the remark about osterm not
having ASCII upload, I like to point out that some kind soul created
"slowio" which I'm sure must be in the telcom data base here.
You just use the clear key to toggle to another window and type+
slowio <filename >/t2
where "filename" is the ascii file you want to upload. Once you get the
hang of it, it's really very easy. If you toggle back to the osterm
window while the file is still uploading, you can see the characters
go by.
I mention it because I think that without slowio, I'd be looking for a
replacement for osterm which I love in every other respect.
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87159 4-MAY 18:01 Telecom (6809)
RE: RiBBS (Re: Msg 87117)
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: STEWARD
I'll pas it along thanks!
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87160 4-MAY 20:05 System Modules (6809)
RE: Dynacalc problem (Re: Msg 87040)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WDTV5
version 1.16 but wes told me on fido i need another upgrade to fix
a bug in cc3io.
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87162 4-MAY 22:16 System Modules (6809)
RE: Dynacalc problem (Re: Msg 87160)
From: WDTV5 To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
Humm, I wonder what that is? I've had so many diff versions of cc3io go thru
here that I long since gave up! I did the patch that lets me use the seriel
mouse, and then patched that one to get rid of the slow disk bug caused by
a clashing of IRQ mask bytes, and haven't changed it since. Do you have the
seriel mouse? If so, then the one I'm useing will probably work b but may
need an address patch if you're using the 4n1 seriel as the mouse port. I'm
using a set of pgyy-backed chips in the regular 232 pack, just never got
around to mmaking up the cable to use the 4n1 with it. Nothing else would
change except that address as far as I know. Cheers Mike, Gene WDTV5@delphi.com
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End of Thread.
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87161 4-MAY 22:09 Telecom (6809)
RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87154)
From: DSRTFOX To: CHARLESAM
Are you the one who tried to pry the entire socket off the motherboard?
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87167 4-MAY 23:26 Telecom (6809)
RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87154)
From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON
I understand what your saying okay. I was wondering why I was having such a
hard time doing just what you describe. But tell me, can you do it if you put
it all on one line separated by semi colons? I believe it can be done like
that. Not sure though, I'll have to try it again. But yeah, it was driving
me crazy doing exactly what you described. Well, I don't have to bump into
that wall anymore. Boy, am I getting an education. Again thanx, Charlie
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87170 4-MAY 23:35 Telecom (6809)
RE: Windows (Re: Msg 87161)
From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Yeah, thats me... but thats not something I tell often anymore... :-!
Frank, I lost or misplaced volume #4 of 68Micro, how much for another?
Also, my subscription is due soon. If I see you at the Fest, I'll renew
for another year. Great magazine. BTW, can you tell me if their (Glenside)
akfast at the Fest? I didn't see mention of it in their
circular. I just got my Fest tickets today. I'm as excited as a kid at
Christmas and I'm 50..... Some people never grow up. ;-) Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87163 4-MAY 22:17 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87113)
From: KENTMH To: CHARLESAM
SC<>>>/w& in the startup file works for me!
Kent
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87166 4-MAY 23:19 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87153)
From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON
Tell you what, as much as I've been modifying my boot lately, I'm better off
using the floppy. This way I can make use of that program that allows multiple
boots on one disk. You going to the Fest? I'll be there. Driving from NY.
Charlie Thanx Randy..
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87168 4-MAY 23:27 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87166)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: CHARLESAM
Nope, no fest for me. Matter of fact, if I remember the schedule correctly,
I'll be in NY that weekend. :>
Randy
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87171 4-MAY 23:40 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87163)
From: CHARLESAM To: KENTMH
I was complicating it beyond belief! I understand now how its done. Its
working fine just as you stated, you and several others. I was trying to
load it into an existing window and thats where I went wrong. I'm getting
an education here. Thanx Charlie
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87172 4-MAY 23:42 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87168)
From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON
What brings you to New York? Business or pleasure? I'm sorry I won't get
to meet you in person... Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87164 4-MAY 22:52 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87137)
From: KENTMH To: JOHNREED
Not so!!! The speed of light (c) is aa universal CONSTANT, which cannot be
exceeded. Hence the light from the headlamps would travel forward at the same
speed as the car, as viewed from a stationary observer. Time and distance
compression of the driver would cause the light to appear to move forward at
the speed of light (c) relative to the driver, but that would require total
(100%) time and distance compression (i.e., distance = 0 and time =0). This
phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes
distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory. The
unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate any
real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to energy at
the speed of light
of light , since energy is the only known quantity able to travel
at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our universe in excess of the
speed of light is actually anti-matter travelling at the inverse speed. The
acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black hole
(near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed the
speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers?
Kent
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87165 4-MAY 23:06 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164)
From: WA2EGP To: KENTMH
All you really have to do is reduce the inertial mass to zero. Problem solved!
The problem with the light is that there would be a heck of a blue shift toward
the front! (grin)
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87175 5-MAY 03:01 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164)
From: PAGAN To: KENTMH
>This phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes
>distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory.
What happens when a value greater than c is used the equations involve the
square root of negative numbers. What significance, if any, this has in the
real world is subject to debate but it definitely does not mean time goes
into reverse gear.
>The unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate
>any real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to
>energy at the speed of light of light , since energy is the only known
>quantity able to travel at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our
>universe in excess of the speed of light is actually anti-matter travelling
>at the inverse speed.
The answer is simple, it takes infinite energy to accelerate a non zero rest
mass to light speed. The truth of the equations that predict this get
tested a million times a year in particle accelerators all over the world.
No deviations from the predictions of special relativity yet.
>The acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black
>hole (near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed
>the speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers?
There is a way to approach a collapsar in a spacelike way and leave it in a
timelike way so it _may_ be possible to move backward in time but you will
still never exceed the speed of light.
If that isn't confusing enough, consider that if you had a "wormhole" and
put one end on a spacecraft headed off to A Centauri and back at .99c whilst
the other end stayed at home you might think the total trip would take nine
years for the stay at homes and about 1 1/4 years for the travelers.
However, general relativity requires that the two ends of that worm hole have
to be "synchronized" and the total trip takes 1 1/4 years in both frames of
reference. But you will still never exceed the speed of light!
Before somebody starts pointing out the things that were "impossible" in the
past that are commonplace now, I'll add that we are dealng with a fund-
amental law of the universe, not someones' opinion. Relativity has been
tested against reality for over half a century and has never failed to yield
accurate predictions. That adds up to a pretty solid theory and is as close
to certainty as an honest person can ever come. It may not be a complete
picture of reality but it is not a wrong one. Any future theory must
account for relativity just as relativity had to account for Newtonian
mechanics.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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87182 5-MAY 21:14 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164)
From: PAGAN To: KENTMH
>This phenomenum implies that travel in excess of the speed of light causes
>distance and time inversion, the basis for reverse time travel theory.
What happens when a value greater than c is used the equations involve the
square root of negative numbers. What significance, if any, this has in the
real world is subject to debate but it definitely does not mean time goes
into reverse gear.
>The unanswered question is whether sufficient energy exists to accelerate
>any real mass to or beyond the speed of light, and if mass converts to
>energy at the speed of light of light , since energy is the only known
>quantity able to travel at that speed. Perhaps mass travelling in our
>ad a "wormhole" and
pand peed of light is actually anti-matter travelling
>at the inverse speed.
The answer is simple, it takes infinite energy to accelerate a non zero rest
mass to light speed. The truth of the equations that predict this get
tested a million times a year in particle accelerators all over the world.
No deviations from the predictions of special relativity yet.
>The acceleration attainable by close orbiting or directly targeting a black
>hole (near infinite gravity) is hypothesized as adequate to attain or exceed
>the speed of light, but who knows? Any volunteers?
There is a way to approach a collapsar in a spacelike way and leave it in a
timelike way so it _may_ be possible to move backward in time but you will
still never exceed the speed of light.
If that isn't confusing enough, consider that if you had a "wormhole" and
put one end on a spacecraft headed off to A Centauri and back at .99c whilst
the other end stayed at home you might think the total trip would take nine
years for the stay at homes and about 1 1/4 years for the travelers.
However, general relativity requires that the two ends of that worm hole have
to be "synchronized" and the total trip takes 1 1/4 years in both frames of
reference. But you will still never exceed the speed of light!
Before somebody starts pointing out the things that were "impossible" in the
past that are commonplace now, I'll add that we are dealng with a fund-
amental law of the universe, not someones' opinion. Relativity has been
tested against reality for over half a century and has never failed to yield
accurate predictions. That adds up to a pretty solid theory and is as close
to certainty as an honest person can ever come. It may not be a complete
picture of reality but it is not a wrong one. Any future theory must
account for relativity just as relativity had to account for Newtonian
mechanics.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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87184 5-MAY 21:29 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87136)
From: JRUPPEL To: MRUPGRADE
That will definitely cause conffusion! I haven't me anyone who can push a Ford
at the speed of light <G>
John
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87186 5-MAY 22:31 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87175)
From: KENTMH To: PAGAN
Stephen-
A half century is less than a "grain of sand#" in the universal hourglass of
time! Don't be limited by what you think you know or by what you don't think
you don't know! Newtonian physics was considered unflappable in its time, but
look what Albert did to it!
Kent
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87191 6-MAY 00:22 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87175)
From: MRUPGRADE To: PAGAN
I have to say, your explaination,, seem thourough fiarly intelligent*, and
complete. (plus very good <g> spelling)
At least up to the part you use theh measue of a whole 50 years,, as a period
of universal (as in theh universe) proof. What portion of theh life of this
planet does that fill?
I could well imagine just 50 or 70 years ago,, space ships or their predictors
would have drawn propellers on them,,, because it's a universal trueth, that
(at that time) you couldn't move about above theh earth without them.
the more learned scientists would agree: There are only towew things that
will remain as inpossibilities:
1. A cure for theh common cold.
2. An honest politician that can get elected.
9
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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87193 6-MAY 00:25 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87164)
From: JOHNREED To: KENTMH (NR)
> Not so!!! The speed of light (c) is aa universal CONSTANT, which cannot be
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted the message -- my
answer is only good for speeds "approaching" the speed of
light. As far as the rest -- when (yeah, WHEN, not IF)
someone does find a way to get somewhere a light-year away
in less than a year, it will involve a short-cut. It's
not that "it can't be done", we just haven't figured it out
yet.
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87199 6-MAY 22:04 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87186)
From: JEJONES To: KENTMH (NR)
> Newtonian physics was considered unflappable in its
> time, but look what Albert did to it!
In one way, quite a bit (e.g. demolished Newton's notion of absolute time);
in another way, not much (since pool balls, pistons, pulleys, etc. don't
travel at a significant fraction of the speed of light, people still use
Newtonian mechanics to figure out how they behave and get answers that are
good enough).
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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End of Thread.
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87169 4-MAY 23:29 General Information
Pascal
From: COMMUNICATOR To: KSCALES
Jog,
Jog,
Pascal.
Consider your memory jogged, and I hope you get this in time.
Steve O.
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87179 5-MAY 05:02 General Information
RE: Pascal (Re: Msg 87169)
From: KSCALES To: COMMUNICATOR (NR)
> Pascal.
>
> Consider your memory jogged, and I hope you get this in time.
>
> Steve O.
Yo, Steve! Glad to see you still have your Delphi account.
Got your message in time... (11:30 pm the night before the meeting -- nothing
like a last-minute reminder <g>)
Yep, I remembered our deal (even mentioned it tonight while talking with
Colin). Got the manual sitting next to the mouse...
Cheers... see you at the meeting / Ken
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
=-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=
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End of Thread.
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87173 4-MAY 23:50 General Information
Fest
From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I see my previous message got chopped some. I was asking if Glenside is
having a breakfast at the Fest. I haven't seen mention of it. Charlie
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87174 5-MAY 00:59 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87173)
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
I don't think there is an "official" breakfast thing, but, that doesn't
keep everyone from getting together i nthe hotel resteraunt Sat morning for
a bite to eat. I don't think I'd make it to an early morning thing though.
Friday night tends to be too much "fun" and I usually miss the first hour
or so of the show 8-)
Although, this year, my room will be pretty much right accross from
the vender room entrance... so I mught be able to drag myself that short
distance on time to the booth I'l be sitting in...
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87188 5-MAY 23:06 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87174)
From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
Yeah, that sounds fine. My wife and I will arrive Friday evening sometime.
Last year I went to the Iowa Fest and left my computer home. Not this time.
I hope to take advantage of all the experts to configure my system for
maximum capacity. That is if I can corral someone...;-) Having my Coco
along I can test out what I purchase and maybe learn a few things too.
BTW, what booth will you be in? Well, its just two weeks away now and
I'm really looking forward to the day... Later Charlie
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87195 6-MAY 00:33 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87188)
From: MITHELEN To: CHARLESAM
I will be in the Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group booth.
--
Paul
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End of Thread.
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87176 5-MAY 03:21 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87157)
From: ISC To: COCOKIWI
But, Dennis, If the hole seals the ink chamber <grin> why not refill it?
Is it possible?
Bill
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87190 5-MAY 23:40 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87176)
From: COCOKIWI To: ISC
you do!>grin< ........ mine started to leak on the bottom!
Dennis.......
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87196 6-MAY 02:31 General Information
RE: Printers (Re: Msg 87190)
From: ISC To: COCOKIWI (NR)
Well, Dennis, I think I understand this. The refillable cartridges I have
seen have a sponge inside which holds the ink suspended. The high
capacity cartridges probably use the seal vacuum to hold the ink inside.
The ink probably flows by capillary action. Without the sponge inside,
it is possible to have a larger ink capacity. However, that also defeats
the possibility to refill them.
Bill
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End of Thread.
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87177 5-MAY 03:55 Applications (6809)
com
From: FRANCIES To: HI! I'M A V (NR)
This seems so stupid.
I do not know who I am communicating with and this is not what I expected.
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87189 5-MAY 23:15 Applications (6809)
RE: com (Re: Msg 87177)
From: CHARLESAM To: FRANCIES (NR)
Take heart Francies, we probably all felt that way in the beginning. Just
say your piece and don't worry about it. The parties here are very helpful
and most have a good sense of humor.. Hope you get back here again.
Charlie
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End of Thread.
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87178 5-MAY 04:09 OSK Applications
G-WINDOWS for MM/1
From: EDELMAR To: ALL
I didn't get the 20 commitments I needed to do the port of G-WINDOWS for
the MM/1 Computer so I'm dropping this project. My apologies, regrets and
thanks to those who did make commitments.
Those still interested in G-WINDOWS for the MM/1 might wish to contact
FHL. I understand (rumor) that FHL is/will contract with Steve Adams to
do the G-WINDOWS port for the MM/1. If true, they may be assured of getting
a solid port.
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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87200 6-MAY 22:37 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87178)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: EDELMAR (NR)
Ed,
Thanks for trying. See you at the fest!
-- Joel..
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End of Thread.
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87181 5-MAY 20:01 General Information
HardDrive
From: ACOTTON To: ALL
I am trying to put togather a B&B GD system.. I have a 20MEG ST225 HD and
My problem is when I boot up with the HD bootdisk that
has BBFHDISK.DR and HD.dd configured for the st225 and TYPE 09: format /hd,
fine on an IBM clone before I bought it.. I am using a coco3 with multi-pak.
My power supply is an IBM clone 150 watt PS.. Any help will be apreciated..
Thank in advance.. Al...
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87187 5-MAY 22:35 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87181)
From: KENTMH To: ACOTTON
Al-
your message seems garbled. Can you resubmit?
Kent
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87197 6-MAY 19:58 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87187)
From: ACOTTON To: KENTMH (NR)
Sorry , some of my message must have gotten trucaded.. I put a hard drive
system togather using a Burke & Burke Hd interface- a wd1002a-wx1 controler. I
have the HD installed in an AT case with a 150 watt power suppy. My problem is
that when I boot up the
ssystem and type - format /hd, I get an ERROR 221 (module not found). I was
wandering if this might be because of the controler as I am sure the drive is
ok.. The B&B modules in my boot file are BBFHdisk.dr and HD.dd..
Thinks for any help...
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87202 6-MAY 23:25 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87197)
From: MITHELEN To: ACOTTON (NR)
Definately souunds like a software problem... does "HD" show up when
you do an "mdir". Perhaps the internal module name is something else. Also
make sure the driver name encoded in the device descriptor (/hd) is set
to "bbfhdisk", and not "bbfhdisk.dr" (do a "dump hd.dd" in the directory that
hd.dd is in and look towards the end for the bbfhdisk string)
--
Paul
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87183 5-MAY 21:21 General Information
help
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
Could someone help me out? I have downloaded several programs lately that
require compiling (c), and I haven't got a clue as to what's needed. Could
someone tell me what I need to compile a program.
Thanks,
Bob
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87185 5-MAY 21:39 General Information
RE: help (Re: Msg 87183)
From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84
Fo starters, you need the C Compiler... If you don't have that, then your
dead in the water. It CAN still be obtaind through Tandy, as a special order
item.
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87198 6-MAY 21:46 General Information
RE: help (Re: Msg 87185)
From: ROBERT84 To: MITHELEN
I do have the os9 c compiler catalog number 26-3038. When I fstated the file
cc1 it said it was created in 1983. Is this the one I ne
ed?
Thanks,
Bob
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87201 6-MAY 23:21 General Information
RE: help (Re: Msg 87198)
From: MITHELEN To: ROBERT84 (NR)
Yep. That is the ONLY compiler ever released (officially) There has been MANY
public improvements that you will want to get that will make things much
faster, and better... Look into getting CC 2.5.2, C_Prep, Krieder CLib.l,
Mike Sweets cgfx.l, Tim Kientzle's "make", ansifront, and probably a few other
things I forgot. All of these things add much moire functionalit to the
stock compiler, as well as inproveing it's execution speed, and speed of
outputed executables...
The simplest form of comileing a program would be:
CC program.c
which would create the executable module "program" in your current execution
directory...
large, complex program often have a type of "script" file called a "makefile"
that a utility called "make" processes, and figures out exactly what needs to
be done in order to produce the final result. It then does all the work
automagically, starting up the compiler with the proper options, and whatever
else it needs to do.
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87192 6-MAY 00:22 General Information
RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87019)
From: TONYPODRAZA To: MITHELEN
Just as soon as we find out the w/w/w/w, we can go. hmmmmmmmmmm why not bring
it up at the meeting next week?
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87194 6-MAY 00:28 General Information
RE: OFNOHOC (Re: Msg 87025)
From: TONYPODRAZA To: REVWCP
Sounds good. perhaps a bit of time could elapse after the FEST! before we
undertake this. Then we would have a bit more to storm about. There's a few
good eating establishments around the bend....but then, a trip to the lair
of the RS232 wizard? Who could resist? and what is another 39 minutes travel
time, anyway? How many people will the apartment hold?
hehehehe we have about 18-30 people that meet at the library.
wonder if they would all fit? ..........nasty thought, that, eh?
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87203 7-MAY 00:15 System Modules (6809)
Merging files
From: CHARLESAM To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
Randy, since os9 stores in 8k blocks, and SC (my version) is 17861 in size,
that would mean SC would occupy 23040 or 3 8k blks. Since the space is there,
could I merge a few commands in with SC and save paying rent. For that matter
would it work with other applications??? My startup file is working fine now,
but I don't have much memory left after Dynastar, Supercomm, and Presto-Partner
get theirs. I also have an empty text window besides term. Memory left is
20 blks or 160k. Sys memory is 56 pgs or 14k. Thanx Charlie
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87204 7-MAY 00:36 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87168)
From: WA2EGP To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
Gee.....Randy. You'll be in my neck of the woods. Unforch, I'll be in
Birmingham from May 7th to the 14th. I don't know when the fest is (cuz I
have no chance to go) but I bet we will miss each other (again). Maybe we'll
meet when we join the "choir invisible" (grin).
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87205 7-MAY 09:33 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87178)
From: JOHNBAER To: EDELMAR
Thanks for trying Ed. Just wondering, what was the final count ?
--
John -
*** Posted with Ved 2.3 & IX 1.0.1 ***
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87206 7-MAY 15:19 System Modules (6809)
RE: Merging files (Re: Msg 87203)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: CHARLESAM
> Randy, since os9 stores in 8k blocks, and SC (my version) is 17861 in
> size, that would mean SC would occupy 23040 or 3 8k blks. Since the space
> is there, could I merge a few commands in with SC and save paying rent.
> For that matter would it work with other applications??? My startup file
Absolutely! Magic maximum size for a merged module is n*8K - 1024 bytes,
where n is some number.
What I used to do on my CoCo was to merge together groups of the commonly
used CMDS together in 8K chunks and would load them at startup.
If you do an ident of the Shell that comes on the OS-9 System Master disk,
you'll find several of the more commonly used CMDS merged onto the end of
it.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87207 7-MAY 16:01 System Modules (6809)
RE: Merging files (Re: Msg 87206)
From: CHARLESAM To: COLORSYSTEMS
Yep, I have several merged modules that I use at startup. With grfdrv I
have 10, shell has 7 boarders, runb has 9 tagalongs. I figure I could get
from 6 to 10 good utils with supercomm and the same with Dynastar by
merging to the next 8k border. These are all loaded at startup and are
running before startup finishes. Oh, Presto Partner too. I timed the
whole thing and it takes two minutes from DOS till startup finishes.
this is with my HD of course. If I tried it from floppy, it would
probably take 5 minutes. Thanx for the help, Charlie
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87210 7-MAY 18:11 System Modules (6809)
RE: Merging files (Re: Msg 87206)
From: CHARLESAM To: COLORSYSTEMS
Correction on the time it takes to boot my system, 1:45 from DOS to prompt
and that also includes merging fonts and cursors, putting up a pretty
screen and a few other minor items. Not bad for a 8 year old machine
running at 2mghz. Imagine what a 33mghz coco could do. Later Charlie
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87208 7-MAY 17:36 General Information
Partgen: split your HD
From: JWILKERSON To: ALL
I used partgen to try to get my hard drive to go into 2 drives.... However
the patch fot my version of BBFHdisk didn't work. Seems that my version must
be a later version than whapartgen package can handle...
here is the ident for my bbfhdisk....
Header for: BBFhdisk
Module size: $06B6 #1718
Module CRC: $1C330F (Good)
Hdr parity: $68
Exec. off: $002F #47
Data Size: $024E #590
Edition: $04 #4
Ty/La At/Rv: $E1 $82
Dev Dvr mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O
I would like to split my HD into 2 drives.... it'd make accounting for
stuff sooo much easier...
Any ideas?
Thanks....
-- John
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87209 7-MAY 18:03 Applications (6809)
RE: msdos (Re: Msg 87106)
From: NETCRUISER To: COCOKIWI
thanks -- i saw that one the other day and downloaded it.
works pretty well. was hoping for one that goes directly to
os9 w/o any decb between, but oh well, ill be happy with this
(no more rs232 cables & null modem ! :->)
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87211 7-MAY 20:25 General Information
PF
From: VE3DAC To: WDTV5
Gene, did you get the Proportional font information you asked for a
month or so back? Can send you my 11 71 -Y 21:53 General Information
RE: PF (Re: Msg 87211)
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC (NR)
Gee, a mind is a terrible thing to lose! Mine that is! No, and at the moment,
I'm tied up with 3 other projects. #1 being the ramdisk, I'm trying to get
rid of the 504k limit, and it will be pretty much a "from scratch" effort
when its done. But to see what its doing, I need a working os9p4, and the
currant NITROS9 version is slightly broken, as in not reporting the stack
value correctly. So thats project #2, with a +127 priority. Then I bought
the missus (yeah, get him) an Amiga 2000-020 the other day, and its hard
drive and controller are both junk. Can't get another drive into it before
late next week since the UPS runs that slow around here, and alltho it
boots from the existing drive, I have to give it a whap on a corner, sideways
so's the heads will release from the disk and it can get started. The
existing controller, an A-2090, has provisions for 2 mfm drives. I have NO
setup info on it and can't seem to get it to access a 2nd drive to even
format it. Next stop,, Amiga forum to ask about that Jurrasic controller.
So don't worry about it just yet Merv, and I'll get back when I have time
to attack it again.
Cheers, Gene
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87213 8-MAY 01:51 Telecom (6809)
RE: Supercomm... (Re: Msg 87103)
From: DBREEDING To: KSCALES
> Yes, the ASCII upload in the Level 2 version of OSTerm does not work:
> finishing the code (and forgot to remove it from the menu). The ASCII
> upload isn't broken because of a problem with the code; it simply
> doesn't work because it was never finished! This also applies to the
I kinda figured that this was the case.
> MM/1 release of TasCOM.
> Northern Xposure has licenced the code for development of an enhanced
> version of OSTerm (OSK only). The "prompted ASCII uploading" is fully
> functional in the current development version of OSTerm 68K.
>
> Sorry, there are no plans for releasing an enhanced 6809 version, BTW.
Well, I may have to give it a try. I have just sent in my order for a
System 5 and of course will be on the lookout for a good telecom program.
'Course my Delphi/CIS msg stuff will be handled by "IX".
BTW... is there any t'com support for something like XModem-G or some
non-error-correcting protocol? I want to use V.42bis or '32, but as
everyone has written, I found out that all the error-correcting protocols
are actually slower with this turned on. I wanna go hi-tech with this <G>
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87214 8-MAY 01:52 Telecom (6809)
RE: Supercomm... (Re: Msg 87085)
From: DBREEDING To: 10BAUD (NR)
Hey, thanks for your reference to "slowio". I've heard of it, but never did
get it to use. OSTerm is a pretty nice app, could use a touch-up or two.
One thing I could never get it to do was send CTRL-chrs correctly. Tried
to get it to send CTRL-C for CIS logon and never did work. Learn produced
a string "\3c" (I think) but didn't work. Aside from this and maybe another
or two, it is really neat.
If you refer to my rep to KSCALE's rep to your msg, I have a System 5 on order
so may not be pursuing my coco stuff as avidly, bad as I hate to leave it.
I hope to do some more with my coco, but I figure that OSK will occupy most
of my time.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87215 8-MAY 01:54 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87118)
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5 (NR)
> born! In My Own Not So Humble View, the prosecution really should oughta
> go look for some gink that just held up the 7-11 & managed to get away
> without being made rather leaky by that same sawed off shotgun! To me, you
> have the God given right to defend whats yours *with* whatever means is at
> your disposal. Maybe I'm a cranky old f--- but I've been working for a
> living for 46 of my 59 years, looking for work maybe a total of 4 months
> in the last 30 years. I pay my taxes and think they should *not* be used
> for the latest so-called social engineering idea, but for pay and gear for
> law enforcement, and jails to put them in the first 2 times, unless its
> personal injury related, as in shooting the clerk. Once is more than
> enough for that kind of person. End of sermon.
> Sorry if I offend anyone, but its a first amendment and second amendment
> freedom we're talking about here folks. Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com
You don't offend me! I agree with you 110%.
RE: "the overwhelming majority of people who want some kind of gun control"
WHERE ARE THEY? Everywhere I go, here, on our local netted bbs, etc. the
overwhelming majority I hear is AGAINST!
BTW. I captured a post last night.. haven't had the chance to check its
validity yet, but it stated that the May 5 bill goes MUCH MUCH farther than
the proponents claim. It:
1) contrary to their claim that it will not affect weapons already out there,
it makes the "manufacture, sale, or POSSESION of such weapon illegal.
2) handguns weighing more than 50 oz unloaded will be illegal
3) the attorney general shall have the authority to add any weapon to the
list that he/she/it deems necessary (without consulting with anyone).
I have not checked this out yet, however, this surprised me, if it is true.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87216 8-MAY 01:55 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87095)
From: DBREEDING To: JOHNREED
> Right. I don't think this is a really big deal all by itself,
> just like some well-intentioned lawmakers trying to ban certain
To be honest, I question their being so "well-intentioned"
> types of guns, "no-knock" searches, and a bunch of cops in
> California who got tried twice for the same charge (yeah, they
> should have been found guilty the first time, but they were not,
> and that should have been the end of it).
This is what I have said all along. They may have been guilt, but unless
it could have been established that some foul play with or on the part of
the first jury had occurred, that should have been it. It is SUPPOSED to
be one of our constitutional rights to not have to face a condition of
double jeopardy.
> I heard a great quote the other day - can't remember who said
> it or the exact words, but this is close --
>
> " ... to take freedom away from Americans, you have to know how
> to cook a frog. If you drop him in hot water, he jumps right
> out. The trick is to put him in cold water, then turn on the
> heat. By the time he figures out something is wrong, it's
> too late .."
And I think that that is just what is happening.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87220 8-MAY 10:33 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87215)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: DBREEDING (NR)
> RE: "the overwhelming majority of people who want some kind of gun
> control" WHERE ARE THEY? Everywhere I go, here, on our local netted bbs,
> etc. the overwhelming majority I hear is AGAINST!
You really need to get "out" more. According to national public opinion
polls, a majority of Americans favor handgun control. Even more than that
favor some kind of gun control legislation, such as the ban on assault
weapons.
> 1) contrary to their claim that it will not affect weapons already out
> there, it makes the "manufacture, sale, or POSSESION of such weapon
> illegal.
I do not think this is the case. It is my impression that the possesion
clause is intended to apply to possesion of assault weapons which were
obtained AFTER the law is in effect.
> 2) handguns weighing more than 50 oz unloaded will be illegal
I don't have a problem with that.
> 3) the attorney general shall have the authority to add any weapon to the
> list that he/she/it deems necessary (without consulting with anyone).
And I really doubt the validity of that claim as well.
> I have not checked this out yet, however, this surprised me, if it is
> true.
It would surprise me if they were true, except for item #2.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87221 8-MAY 10:33 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87216)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: DBREEDING (NR)
> > " ... to take freedom away from Americans, you have to know how
> > to cook a frog. If you drop him in hot water, he jumps right
> > out. The trick is to put him in cold water, then turn on the
> > heat. By the time he figures out something is wrong, it's
> > too late .."
>
> And I think that that is just what is happening.
And I do not. Congress does not have the right to pass any law which
supercedes a Constitutional Amendment. If the Second Amendment is ever
repealed outright, it will be by the People, not Congress.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87222 8-MAY 11:29 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87220)
From: MITHELEN To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
RE: Handgun oger 50oz being illegal.
This would make many high quality target pistols illegal. The whole ide
of gun control is a joke... It takes guns outa the hands of law abideing
citizens. It has no effect on criminals. They will still get "illegal" guns/
weapons, by the same illegal means that they usually use.
--
Paul
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87217 8-MAY 09:12 General Information
RE: COCO Fest Airport Ride (Re: Msg 87142)
From: DISTO To: DOCBEAR (NR)
I do still have a few 2-Meg boards left, but most likely will run out by the
end of the Show. Maybe someone will buy the rights to it and make more? It is
possible to mod a 1-meg address board to work with 2, but the memory board is
completely different for SIMMs. Sorry I won't see you at the show, maybe next
time? -Tony.
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87218 8-MAY 09:15 General Information
RE: Disto 4n1 clock driver (Re: Msg 87141)
From: DISTO To: DOCBEAR (NR)
No problem! Send him the drivers he needs. -Tony.
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87219 8-MAY 10:17 OSK Applications
New Toy
From: JOHNREED To: ALL
I have just uploaded a port for the `gnuplot' program for
the MM/1 (and other OSK machines, I hope).
The latest version I have seen is 3.5. This port is for
version 3.2.
It is based on an OSK port by Chris Thewalt. I
changed a few things that the MM/1 complained about and
added a Kwindows display. See docs for copyright and
distribution info.
Although it is called "gnuplot", and is distributed with
other GNU software, it is not GNU/FSF material. It IS
copyrighted, and freely distributable. Again, see docs
for complete information.
Using simple commands, gnuplot will plot anything from
a simple line on a chart to a complex 3D surface. Output
can be directed to any one of several printer types or
to a Postscript or Latex file (or device).
Even if you have no practical use for it, it is fun to
watch it work.
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87279 11-MAY 01:54 General Information
Classified Ads
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: ALL
As you will notice if you drop by Classified Ads, I've deleted all For Sale
and all Items Wanted ads date prior to January of 1994. This resulted
in the elimination of over 2/3 of the ads that WERE there. If you had
something offerred or desired in Classified posted before Jan 94
and still want it there, feel free to post it again. I did, you will
recall, give two or three weeks warning about this purge of dusty
classified ads! ---marty
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87280 11-MAY 07:19 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87268)
From: JEJONES To: ILLUSIONIST
> BTW, is there a company out there that still sells SCSI systems for
> the CoCo? are they sold complete, or just the controller.. I supply the
> HD and case/PS
You should check out the latest issue of Frank Swygert's magazine, *The
World of 68 Micros*--it deals with exactly that question. (The answer
to your question, BTW, is yes.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87286 11-MAY 23:37 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87273)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I wont be going to the Chicago 'fest, but if you could email me some info
I would be happy to look into buying a system from you by mail..
-* Mike
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87295 12-MAY 01:36 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87274)
From: AJMLFCO To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Frank,
I have been a SCSI advocate for 5 years. I can't even remember
how many discussions I have had on the various forums on the
merits of SCSI vs. MFM, RLL, etc. I _think_ I am starting to
see my predictions come true. Good MFM drives and controllers
are getting harder to find and keep running. My SCSI systems
and drives have served me well. I had two Seagate SCSI drives
on my CoCo. When the Kix\30 first arrived it was a simple matter
to move one of the SCSI drives right over. Later on, I got a
Quantum SCSI-2 hard drive for the Kix\30 (a very, very fast
drive on the Kix\30). The file format on OSK (256 byte/sector)
and OS9-6809 is very compatable. I used to help a friend who
ran Ribbs (BBS) defragment his OS9-6809 drive, a Seagate 296N.
We just connected it to the SCSI ribbon cable on the Kix\30 and
then used DSAVE to move the entire drive over to the Quantum.
We could the re-format the CoCo drive and DSave the data back.
The entire operation would take about 1 hour including moving all
of the hardware around. Years ago, I saw a demonstration of
two CoCo's connected to the same hard drive using a Kenton
SCSI interface. Needless to say, the two OS9's didn't know
of each others existance so record locking was a bit weak
(grin), but I think one could implement a nice BBS system
if the sharable attribute bit was used appropriately.
Allen Morgan
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87281 11-MAY 19:28 Telecom (6809)
SuperComm
From: MMCCLELLAND To: RANDYKWILSON
Randy,
I successfully used COCOOS9 to convert SuperComm into the OS9 format. I copied
the file on to a new disk in OS9, and set the attributes correctly (I think!).
When I tried to use SuperComm, I ran into a few memory errors, an "error 244"
and a "WHAT?".The command that I used to execute it was "supercomm #70k
<>>>/w&"(any higher memory value gave me a "WHAT?"). Help!!!
(by the way, disks converted with COCOOS9 appear to be readable by both OS9 and
DECB.)
=Mark=
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87284 11-MAY 22:50 Telecom (6809)
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 87281)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: MMCCLELLAND
Mark,
Disks that have been munged up with COCOOS9.BAS *are* readable by both DECB
and OS9. The program reads the current DECBdisk, and writes a OS9 compatable
directory and base structure. Due to the vastly different structures used by
the two systems, there is rarely a collision.
However, neither system knows about the other. So, any further writes to
the disk will make the other directory invalid, or possible even over write
it. This is why I said it was read only. Tis best to reformat the disk when
done to save future confusion. :>
Okay. I would expect memory errors when trying to use #70K. The max you can
give it is 40K. The 244 is a disk read error. May have to try a different
disk.
If you copied the binary to the root dir of a disk, and this is not your
current execution dir, you'll have to give a full pathname to the file.
Try this out:
load /d1/supercomm (or where ever the file is, and filename)
supercomm #24K <>>>/w&
<hit clear until you find the new window>
Oh, and to set the attributes, use "attr supercomm e w r". That should do it.
Randy
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87282 11-MAY 20:41 OSK Applications
RE: GNU C/C++ (Re: Msg 87275)
From: VAXELF To: MITHELEN
Thanks, that's very nice of you. See you at the fest.
BTW, Dave Kelly is coming with me from Houston. You will have to guess
who is who. Dave now has a beard, so both of us have more grey in our
beards than on our heads.
John D.
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87283 11-MAY 21:44 General Information
Chicago!
From: NIMITZ To: ALL
Well, here we are - Chicago - 9 days! I'm really looking forward to the
fest. 2 new software products, bundled packages of Ultimuse/K and MIDI boards
, some odds and ends of electronics parts, and possibly some new MM/1's, if
I get the boards in time!!.. If not, I'll at least have the new case style,
so , come and see us!!
David M. Graham
BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
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87285 11-MAY 23:13 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87266)
From: PAGAN To: ILLUSIONIST
>I am going to shut my mouth now, since this is the OS-9 forum, and not a
>polictical sig.
So it is. I guess I'll drop the subject. Too bad tho; I came across some
really good First and Fourth Amendement stuff today.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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87287 12-MAY 00:37 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87226)
From: AJMLFCO To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
Zack,
.lt]
I can think of three reasons off-hand to own guns.
-For hunting
-For self-defense
-For the hobby of "collecting".
I think it would be a case of "prior restraint" for the
government to restrict my pursuit of any of these activities.
I don't have a problem, however, with background check,
criminal record checks, and for more powerful weapons a
reasonable competency requirement. Yes, even 50 cal.
machine guns and civil war cannons can have legitimate
recreational and historical-hobby uses.
Allen Morgan
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87288 12-MAY 00:51 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87239)
From: AJMLFCO To: MITHELEN
Paul,
And there is nothing wrong with just wanting to keep
such a "sniper rifle" as a collectors item. Also,
nothing inherently immoral with investing in a unusual
item and selling at a later date. Of course, don't collect
a guillotine- it was only designed to kill!
I hope these guys can keep this all on
an intellectual level and not resort to insults
and name calling.
Allen Morgan
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87289 12-MAY 00:55 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87288)
From: MITHELEN To: AJMLFCO
Ah.. but, guillotines DO have practical value! They make GREAT mellon slicers!
8-)
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End of Thread.
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87290 12-MAY 01:10 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87256)
From: AJMLFCO To: MRUPGRADE (NR)
One other thing to consider is OS9000. It runs REAL nice on
a 486/66! And since Gwindows is available for OS9000, you
can have a real good windowing system. Very fast! Very nice!
In addition, you can open up a MS-Dos session and run thousands
of freely available DOS programs. Or you can make another partition
on your hard drive active and boot into OS/2, Windows, Linux, etc.
OS9000 can easily access the DOS partition on the hard drive, making
file transfers between the separate operating systems easy. I wish
one of the dealers had the resources to get the -long- deal on
pricing. Some copies went out at $300 or so last year. The normal
"factory direct" pricing is almost $1,000 which is way too high,
in my opinion, even for industrial users.
Allen
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87291 12-MAY 01:20 Telecom (6809)
SuperComm
From: MMCCLELLAND To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
Randy-
Thanks for all of the help! The program itself seems to work fine now, but when
I try to communicate with the modem, it echoes back slightly garbled text. I
have had this problem before with other terminal programs, and a slight
retuning of the serial port
has always fixed it. Does SuperComm have a feature for retuning the serial
port, or is there a way to use OS9's TUNEPORT command to do this. I am using a
converted DC Modem cartridge (which is similar to the RS 232 pak). Any help
would be greatly apprciat
ed!
-Mark-
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87296 12-MAY 02:32 Telecom (6809)
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 87291)
From: DSPICER To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
MMCCLELLAND> I am using a converted DC Modem cartridge (which is similar
MMCCLELLAND> to the RS 232 pak). Any help would be greatly apprciat
I think you'll find this connected to any problems that occur. Get a 232 Pak
if you can find one, their going for $20-$30 these days.
Message Composed at 01:33:04 on 05/12/94.
Access CoCo of L.A. (Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100
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End of Thread.
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87292 12-MAY 01:30 System Modules (6809)
New Drivers Disk
From: DIETER To: NIMITZ (NR)
Have received the New Drivers Upgrade disk today! Thanks!
Got one heck of a supprise from Canada Customes, since the sender (I assume it
was You, decleared the contend of the package to be $ 100.00 worth) So I had
to pay $ 14.95 Goods and Services Tax on to of it, So I that package really is
$ 100.00 bucks wort
h, I ow You some more money, if Not! Please send me a receipt stating how much
the disk was really worth, and an explanation as to how and way thew mistake
was made...
Or maybe Canada Customes has You on its payroll... Grin!!!!
Dieter!
Dieter
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87293 12-MAY 01:30 System Modules (6809)
BootMods Upgrade
From: DIETER To: NIMITZ (NR)
The BootMods disk that You send me, are they for the MM/1a (68340 CPU), or just
for the 68070 cpu? please let me know as soon as possible, thanks!
Dieter
Dieter
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87294 12-MAY 01:30 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Monitors + (Re: Msg 86774)
From: DIETER To: NIMITZ (NR)
> Actually, I'd like anyone who has an MM/1 to forward to me as complete a
> description as possible of their system setup, and escppecially any monitors,
> hard drives , tape drives or CD ROM drives in use.
>
My system consist of a MM/1a (68340 CPU), two Quantum LSP-105 Hard drives, one
ZOOM high speed modem, a logitech Trackman Mouse, one CGP-220 Printer, and a
Magnavox professional series color manitor with steario sound...
Dieter
Dieter
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87297 12-MAY 16:39 General Information
RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 87122)
From: JOSEFL To: CPERRAULT
I see that Boisy or James haven't replied... <grin> Those guys must
be busy... I used to work at M'ware and indeed there is an assembler
available as part of the compiler package, although I can't imagine
why you would want to use it. OS-9000 was designed for and written in
C and with Ultra-C available for OS-9000/386 there really isn't much
need to use assembler code anymore. I've done quite a bit of driver
work in OS-9000 using Ultra-C and you have to work a long time doing
hand optimization to write more efficient assembler code than what the
compiler generates. Not really worth it if you ask me... If you want
more info I will be happy to reply. E-mail works better for me as I
read that daily and hit the forums only sporadically.
Take care, and above all, keep havin' fun!
Jos
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87298 12-MAY 16:56 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87175)
From: JOSEFL To: PAGAN
All this assumes that time is linear and spacetime is all there is.
There's a great line in "Autobiography of a Yogi" that states: "A Yogi's
Mass is infinite." One with the conciousness to be the entire universe
could simply "be" somewhere or somewhen else. Laws of physics are not
violated or circumvented. You simply rearrange the quantum field with
your intent. Now what a yogi's headlights would do is a different story...
Jos
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87299 12-MAY 16:58 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87191)
From: JOSEFL To: MRUPGRADE
1) A cure for the common cold already exists.
2) "Honest politician is an oxymoron and therefore a paradox,
but could exist if we adopt a woview that accepts paradoxes. <g>
Jos
PD
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87317 12-MAY 22:35 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87298)
From: PAGAN To: JOSEFL (NR)
>All this assumes that time is linear and spacetime is all there is.
Nonsense. I already stated that a collapsar could be approached in a
spacelike way and left in timelike way. Also a moving wormhole mouth would
create a corridor with a separation in both space _and_ time.
Spacetime is not "all there is" because it doesn't exist without matter-
energy to define it.
Let do a simple experiment: Go into your living room with a hammer. Hold
tht
ammer out at arm's length and predict whether it will fall to the
floor or not fall to the floor when you release it. If you guessed it will
fall, get a gold star from the box but don't give it to your self yet.
The perfectly Vulcan <g> conclusion that the hammer will fall is based on
observation of reality and you, probably, have several thousand confirming
incidents. Now why is it that you (and many others) resist special
relativity when there are _trillions_ of confirming incidents from particle
accelerator experiments alone? If you required even that much evidence for the
falling hammer trick then you should feel perfectly safe holding above your
head and releasing it.
If you balk at holding the hammer over your head and letting it fall you can
now give yourself the gold star. If you can understand _why_ you don't want
to do it give yourself another.
>There's a great line in "Autobiography of a Yogi" that states: "A Yogi's
>Mass is infinite." One with the conciousness to be the entire universe
>could simply "be" somewhere or somewhen else. Laws of physics are not
>violated or circumvented. You simply rearrange the quantum field with your
>intent. Now what a yogi's headlights would do is a different story...
Only if you accept the Copenhagen interpretation which assigns an
indispensible role to the observer or measuring instruments in determining
an outcome. I never bought it and used to get my professors p***ed at me
for claiming that it introduced a fundamental contradiction into quantum
mechanics. A few years after I left school I found that a fellow named Bohm
had formulated an alternate interpretation that didn't rely on any
subjectivism.
Unfortunately for Physics, Bohm refused to yield to the politcal correctness
of his day and was cited by the House UnAmerican Activities Commitee for
contempt and was eventually forced off the faculty at Princeton. He made a
lot of contributions to both quantum and "normal" physics but his alternate
explanation got buried along the way. Fortunately for Physics, good science
doesn't stay buried and there is new interest in Bohm's interpertation of
quantum mechanics.
Stephen (PAGAN)
"Warants? We don't need no steenking warrants" - Chicago Housing Authority
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End of Thread.
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87300 12-MAY 17:08 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87290)
From: JOSEFL To: AJMLFCO (NR)
I use os-9000 on my 486 laptop. It makes for a really nice real-time
field machine. Now if someone could just figure out how to write
transportable PCMCIA drivers....
I also use it for DOS, I just swap out the hard drive.
I highly recommend it. Although it'll probably be a little while
before the new version is available from M'ware as they are busy
with other things <g> right now...
Jos
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87302 12-MAY 18:53 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87300)
From: PHILSCHERER To: JOSEFL (NR)
I am told that the new version will be available in June. <Phil>
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87304 12-MAY 19:04 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87278)
From: JOHNREED To: MRUPGRADE
> I gues my point is: when I buy a computer these days, I expect to start
> with: The main computer & keyboard (I don't know what I'd do with one
> that didn't have theh key baord with??) with at l4east one 3 & 1/2" drive,,
One of the neater things that comes with OS9's multi-user setup
is that it doesn't really care much where it is controlled from.
By offering the option of a basic terminal system, Ed Gresick (Delmar)
allows his customer to buy only what they need to get started -
if you are reading this on a computer, you have the rest (GRIN).
I think about 80% of what I do on my OSK machine can be done just
as well from a terminal as from the keyboard. I can't view
graphics, like gif pictures, but MOST of the better programs I
have acquired have the option of a basic terminal display.
********************************
"Don't take life too serious - it ain't nohow permanent"
(Pogo)
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87306 12-MAY 19:43 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87302)
From: DSPICER To: PHILSCHERER
Phil, what happened to you? No more OS9CN reports?
Message Composed at 18:25:36 on 05/12/94.
Access CoCo of L.A. (Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100
* ODN Ver 1.00 - Delphi Navigator for OS/2 *
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87318 12-MAY 23:34 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87290)
From: MRUPGRADE To: AJMLFCO (NR)
The 486 /66 sounds like thh way to go. OSK,, AND a supported machine.
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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87319 13-MAY 00:11 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87318)
From: COCOKIWI To: MRUPGRADE
I,m getting closer....just updated the 386/25m to....
a 486/33m VESA buss.........with a AWE sound blaster 16 bit card and
double speed CD-rom........<GRIN>
Dennis
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87328 13-MAY 19:15 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87306)
From: PHILSCHERER To: DSPICER
Hi Dave--Had problems with your new board. Left E-Mail here a couple of
times but no reply. Leave me some E-Mail. <Phil>
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87334 13-MAY 21:30 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87319)
From: CHARLESAM To: COCOKIWI
Dennis, you must be making alot of boxes these days...no? Either that or your
rich aunt departed and left you the farm.... ;-) Talk to you after the Fest.
Charlie
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87340 14-MAY 02:13 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87328)
From: DSPICER To: PHILSCHERER
PHILSCHERER> Hi Dave--Had problems with your new board. Left E-Mail
PHILSCHERER> here a couple of times but no reply. Leave me some E-Mail.
I left E-Mail but I guess it never made it to you. You should be all setup
here although the is very little traffic in the OS9Net these days.
Message Composed at 21:51:12 on 05/13/94.
Access CoCo of L.A. (Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100
* ODN Ver 1.00 - Delphi Navigator for OS/2 *
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87341 14-MAY 04:35 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87334)
From: COCOKIWI To: CHARLESAM (NR)
I wish<sigh>..but! I don,t have a rich anything<grin>...either,I just
brought an upgrade to my computer system<386dx/25m>...to a <486dx/33m>
VESA buss.....Backup drive...AWE ...soundblaster card,16 bit..DS..cd-rom
new ide/32 bit Vesa board...and Video board.....<arrrrr>nice..and fast!
Dennis
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87343 14-MAY 14:07 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87278)
From: DBREEDING To: MRUPGRADE (NR)
I have at this time a System 5 on order, so I'll try to fill you in on exactly
what is involved with the Delmar products.
Delmar sells assembled systems. You can order these pieces from Practical
Peripherals in a fashion similar to the FHL way. Delmar sells two
configurations:
1) Serial System : Motherboard, memory(however much you want), RS-232
ports, Sound Port, 1(or 2) floppy drives, Case, Professional OS9,
Microware C Compiler.
2) Console System: The Serial System + Keyboard and VGA card, ready to
hook up an SVGA monitor.
The Serial System can be hooked up to a Terminal or your CoCo using Terminal
software, and is in fact, ready to run. In addition, you can add about any
hardware you want. I ordered a complete Console System with G-Windows and
a hard drive installed. I could have gotten the hard drive for a little less
mail order, but it will be already installed, include cabling and they will
install some software for me, so I opted to get the HD from him.
They also sell monitors but do not push them. I ordered mine from a mail
order house.
I think any of the systems would be quite nice. The main reason I went with
Delmar was that I thought that there might be a chance that it would be
easier to get replacement cards in the future. I would think that as of this
time, there might be a little more MM/1-specific software available, but
as I understand it, any text-based software should run on any system.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87344 14-MAY 14:17 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87343)
From: DBREEDING To: DBREEDING (NR)
> Delmar sells assembled systems. You can order these pieces from
> Practical Peripherals in a fashion similar to the FHL way. Delmar sells
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
Oops!!! Don't believe Practical Peripherals is in the OS9 business<G>...
guess I went brain-dead.
That should have been Peripheral Technologies.
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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87347 14-MAY 18:05 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87340)
From: PHILSCHERER To: DSPICER
Hi Dave--try E-Mail again and we'll see what happens. <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87301 12-MAY 17:12 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87230)
From: JOSEFL To: ILLUSIONIST
Has ANYBODY'S opinion ever been changed by discussing these issues?
Why do we go on like this? Some things are better to just agree to
disagree on. Discussing it goes nowhere. If you don't like the
laws tell your congressperson and VOTE. But all this posting is
using up a lot of bandwidth that could be put to better use. I
had half a mind to post 30 or 40k of my annoyance with the continued`
discussion of this issue just to demonstrate my point, but
fortunately, I still have the other half of my mind. <grin>
Jos
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87321 13-MAY 00:35 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87241)
From: CHYDE To: ILLUSIONIST
Sorry to disagree, but computers have killed people (several that I am
aware of). This ws due to errors in the programs, one of the most well
know is for a radiation treatment machine (computer controlled dosage)
that killed severalpeople by giving them too much radiation (it also
burned many others). Other examples are manufacturing robots, still
others could be faulty avionics in aircraft.
There a lot of risks in the wolrd and computer control of machines
is one of them.
Chris
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87323 13-MAY 07:22 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87301)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: JOSEFL (NR)
I have since abandoned this discussion, but in short, not discussing
issues and problems dont make them go away, they only get worse, I have
only been on this earth 19 years, but I have learned that lesson all to
well...
-* Mike
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87325 13-MAY 07:29 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87321)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: CHYDE
True enough, I hadnt thought of that aspect.. ok..that suits my purposes
just fine.. SEE COMPUTERS ARE LETHAL!!! <clearing to the next /w>
:).. -* Mike
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87332 13-MAY 20:12 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87321)
From: VAXELF To: CHYDE
Also Vedio Game system have been linked to seizure cases, one involving
in a death. My step-mother-in-law's grandson had a real bad seizure while
playing a Vedio Game at a local Mall. He is responding real well from the
treatment.
yes computers can kill and maime.
John D.
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87333 13-MAY 21:16 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87332)
From: CHYDE To: VAXELF
The seizures are not so much an aspect of the computer game as they are
of the bright fast moving lights (images). Strobe lights have been know
to trigger epileptic seizures in epileptic people. I would suspect that
the video images are performing a similar function.
Chris
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End of Thread.
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87303 12-MAY 18:59 General Information
st225
From: PHILSCHERER To: ALL
Could someone tell me the specs on a seagate st225? Number of heads and stuff
like that. Thanks for any help. <Phil>
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87307 12-MAY 19:43 General Information
RE: st225 (Re: Msg 87303)
From: DSPICER To: PHILSCHERER
PHILSCHERER> Could someone tell me the specs on a seagate st225? Number
PHILSCHERER> of heads and stuff like that. Thanks for any help. <Phil>
Heads-4, cyl-615, write precomp-300.
Message Composed at 18:32:53 on 05/12/94.
Access CoCo of L.A. (Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100
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87329 13-MAY 19:16 General Information
RE: st225 (Re: Msg 87307)
From: PHILSCHERER To: DSPICER
Thanks Dave!! <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87305 12-MAY 19:42 System Modules (6809)
RE: New Drivers Disk (Re: Msg 87292)
From: NIMITZ To: DIETER
Dieter, apparently the US mail consider mail declared to be worth $0 to be
worth a minimum of $100. I send out the green slip marked for a worth of $0.
Hmmmm????
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87308 12-MAY 19:47 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87178)
From: CPERRAULT To: EDELMAR
Well at least you gave it a shot Ed. Maybe if you had been able
to wait untill BlackHawk got the MM/1's back out there it might have
been a little better? Btw, while we're talking windows, what is the
latest on the reported K-Windows port to your System's IV and V?
See Ya!
>Chris<
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87313 12-MAY 21:21 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87308)
From: NIMITZ To: CPERRAULT
I'm still waiting on the KWindows guys to do the port. Should be this year,
but they are not sure they want to do it.....
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End of Thread.
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87309 12-MAY 20:23 OSK Applications
MM/1 Setup
From: VAXELF To: NIMITZ
David,
My system is:
MM/1
3Meg
I/O board
130Meg Quatum HD
2 - 3" floppies
Magnavox Professional Monitor
Koss sterio speakers
US Robotics 14400/14400FAX modem
HP Deskjet 500 printer.
John D.
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87314 12-MAY 21:21 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Setup (Re: Msg 87309)
From: NIMITZ To: VAXELF
John, by Magnavox Professional Monitor what do you mean??
Is this monitor still in production???
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87331 13-MAY 20:08 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Setup (Re: Msg 87314)
From: VAXELF To: NIMITZ
magnavox professional 8CM515.
John D.
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87335 13-MAY 21:33 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Setup (Re: Msg 87331)
From: NIMITZ To: VAXELF
Thanks, John. As I thought, another unsupported monitor!
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87336 13-MAY 23:10 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Setup (Re: Msg 87314)
From: JEJONES To: NIMITZ
Oops...I've not yet sent you info on my setup. Here goes:
8 Mbyte MM/1
68340 accelerator (running at 15 MHz; I'd like to get faster RAM,
but RAM prices don't seem to be falling--haven't they rebuilt
that expletive-deleted resin plant by now?)
Quantum LP105 100 Mbyte hard drive (filling up--I want a bigger one)
floptical drive
160 Mbyte SCSI cassette drive (one of those that Boisy found RS had disco'd)
MIDI paddleboard
modem hooked to /t3
Magnavox CM135 monitor
Wish list:
minitower case with some room for expansion
monitor with bigger screen, smaller dot pitch, less flicker, and the
ability to show all of an overscan screen (a while back there was
some traffic on the CoCo mailing list from a guy who had a converter
that let him hook up his MM/1 to a TV; it would be cool to be able
to trundle down to Best Buy, get a twenty-something inch TV/monitor,
and use that, if the image is reasonably sharp)
the above-mentioned stuff, of course (fast RAM, larger hard disk)
ultimately, a CD-ROM drive with appropriate file manager
I hope this is of help.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87342 14-MAY 09:15 OSK Applications
RE: MM/1 Setup (Re: Msg 87336)
From: NIMITZ To: JEJONES
Very Impressive, James. I'll have at least one minitower case at the show,
if nothing else to show what new MM/1's ship in now. And 2 105 meg hard
drives, formatted and set up as drive 1. BlackHawk Enterprises follows the
policy of naming all hard drives after characters from my favorite SciFi and
Fantasy novels, so I am hopi
ng to find a good home for Gandalf and Frodo!
David
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End of Thread.
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87311 12-MAY 21:15 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 87202)
From: ACOTTON To: MITHELEN
Hi good buddy.. You were right on the money.. There was a typepo in the /HD
decricter.. I made a new HD and everything worked.. fine.... Thanks Al Cotton..
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87312 12-MAY 21:20 Telecom (6809)
line link 144e
From: PAGAN To: ALL
I think somebody posted a request for help with a LineLink 144e. Here's what
I found out:
Don't bother calling the the Mac Warehouse help line; they're pretty
useless. I was able to find out that the modem is manufactured by
Prometheus so I called their tech support line and got the pin outs for the
db 25 connector:
2 - TX (transmit data)
3 - RX (recieve data)
4 - RTS (request to send)
5 - CTS (clear to send)
6 - DSR (whatever that is)
7 - Ground
8 - DCD (carrier detect)
20 - DTR (data terminal ready)
22 - Ring
If your port doesn't have CTS at pin 5, you have to use "at&r1" to tell the
modem to use the DTR on pin 20 as CTS. If you have both CTS and DTR then
use "at&r0". I also tried connecting pin 20 from the port to pin 5 on the
modem and that seemed to work too.
Stephen (PAGAN)
"Warrants? We don't need no steeking warrants!" - Chicago Housing Authority
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87345 14-MAY 16:35 Telecom (6809)
RE: line link 144e (Re: Msg 87312)
From: PHXKEN To: PAGAN (NR)
My manual says that &R0 is the PC MODE and the &R1 is the MAC MODE.
&R0 has DTR and RTS signals functioning normally for a PC.
The manual says that &R1 configures for BI-directional RTS/CTS flow with
&K3 or \Q3 set.
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End of Thread.
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87315 12-MAY 22:30 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87268)
From: MDALENE To: ILLUSIONIST
That Heathkit Box if it is the H77 Dual 5 1/4 case will gladly power
one Full hight Hard drive and possibly one 3 1/2" floppy. I know as I have
one and I use it to run my full hight Miniscribe 10 Meg monster. Ps gets
warm but not too hot you sizzle your fingers. The H77 box has the holes
already to hold FOUR(4) half hight drives and with a little soldering you
can easily add two more floppy connectors (WARNING!!! Get your polarity
Right!) It also has 120/220 Selectable Linear PS with Awsome filtration!
If you look at the PCB of the PS you will notice that some extra xformer
wires are there that are unused. I belive then are 30VAC that can be
rectified and filtered to run a eight inch Floppy drive! It appears to be
the same PS that was in my H47 8" drive subsystem for my old H88 CP/M
computer with on the 5vdc and 12vdc outputs being used.
The wires are on the upper left of the PCB and I believe are RED
If you add a full wave rectifier, a 2200 uF cap and a voltage regulator
you can get more 12VDC and 5VDC for more light loads.
Also for the 220VAC 50/60Hz and the 120VAC 50/60HZ the voltage select
controls are on the little silver box in the back of the Power switch
and the fuse holder. Easily seen and manipulated with a small screwdriver
For one merit. the Line fuses pop before the PS is overtaxed too
badly. you cannot easily blow that PS! I have accidently shorted wires and@
popped the fuse everytime!
Michele Marie Dalene
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87324 13-MAY 07:27 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87315)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: MDALENE
Yep its an H77, I just got full docs for the thing and took 1 look at
the specs and realized that it will power a full height HD with little
effort.. I am just gonna throw 2 modern 3.5 SCSI HD's in there, as soon
as I get my SCSI controllers and such for OS-9.. it'll be nice having
80meg of MFM HD space, plus whatever amount I get on the SCSI.. I will
soon phase out the MFM's though.. as far as I see it, SCSI is the way to
go for the CoCo (wish we had IDE too but, oh well) SCSI is fine with me..
nice big drives for a fairly low price (just like the CoCo itself..
excellent, powerfull OS, for little money)..
thanks for the info..
-* Mike
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87338 14-MAY 00:18 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87324)
From: MDALENE To: ILLUSIONIST
No prohlem. I too am going to go SCSI as soon as I can get the money
,as my C.B friends say, greenstamps.
what is the power handling capacity of the P.S? where did you
find it? I may want to see if I can get another.
Michele Marie Dalene
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87339 14-MAY 01:42 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87338)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: MDALENE (NR)
:) I got mine from the local community college, when they junk a bunch
of computer stuff (or anything for that matter) they put it all on big
tables for a day or 2 outside the buildings, students are allowed to pick
through and take what they want..I grabbed the heathkit, and a vt52 terminal
I dont have the manual handy, its at home (I am at the college now) but
I will email you the power handling cap. as soon as I get a chance..
-* Mike
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End of Thread.
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87316 12-MAY 22:31 General Information
RE: 2 B&B interfaces at the same time (Re: Msg 87233)
From: MDALENE To: STEWARD
your problem is really easily solved! Just go out and buy the 74F00
chips and replace the 74ls00 series with those :) My CocoXt-RTC was
dead to the world and Chris Burke told me to replace those chips and it
works good. I actually had him do it as I wanted to have him fix my
clock that was running toooooo fast. I could have replaced those chips
myself if I was not scared of busting the small pcb :)
Michele Marie Dalene
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87320 13-MAY 00:28 Applications (6809)
RE: Home manager (Re: Msg 87263)
From: CHYDE To: PAGAN
I realize you can lock out areas of a file, but it is much easier if you lock
the
whole file forIt's easier to avoid deadlock if you try to
lock the file, can't and report an exception. Not the cleanest or most
efficient granted, but very easy to do.
Chris
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87322 13-MAY 06:36 General Information
Colani Mouse
From: JEJONES To: ALL
Well...maybe I'm becoming a yuppie, but I've bought a designer mouse.
(Honest, the signature's right there on the side. I'd asked friends to put
me out of my misery if they ever saw me watching *thirtysomething*, but I
hadn't expected this.) I decided I didn't like the trackball I was using;
it's not easy to accurately spin that little ball with the thumb. (Well,
it's not easy for me, anyway.)
So, I finally bought a Colani Mouse. I'd seen it advertised in a Tiger
Software catalog, but I'd lost the catalog--and then I saw it in the May
*Computer Shopper*. It's a nice mouse; ergonometrically shaped with a
vengeance (so I have a right-handed version)--somebody finally noticed
that muscle you flex to touch your thumb to your little finger, probably
called the pollicis whatchamacallit, and shaped the mouse to fit. It has
little Teflon pads on the bottom so it slides very smoothly--I have no
trouble drawing lines in paint that are vertical or horizontal to within
a pixel, and I didn't have a prayer of doing that with the trackball.
It claims compatibility with Microsoft or Mouse Systems, but I had to
boot up with a driver for Mouse Systems mice to get it to go.
I'm very pleased with it. (I'm not associated with the manufacturer.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87326 13-MAY 18:35 Telecom (6809)
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 87291)
From: ISC To: MMCCLELLAND
Mac,
You can purchase an excellent RS-232 interface from CoNect in Milwaukee.
Contact Rick Ulland here through REVCWP and ask him if he can sell you
one. I use one and I highly recommend it.
Bill
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87327 13-MAY 18:45 Telecom (6809)
Ribbs
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: ALL
Does anyone know of a program for ribbs called filesrch. It supposedly checks
for new files? A end has RiBBS running on his computer and came across it
in a download menu. It's called by ribbs as an outside program. He got a five d
disk set from Warren Hrach but it doesn't seem to have that particular utility.
I've looked in the database here but didn't see it or anything like it. Any
idea where he can get hold of it?
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87330 13-MAY 19:35 General Information
OS9000 file transfer
From: PHILSCHERER To: ALL
Does anyone know how to transfer files from the msdog partition of a hard
drive into the OS9000 side?? All help appreciated. <Phil>
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87337 13-MAY 23:15 General Information
RE: OS9000 file transfer (Re: Msg 87330)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PHILSCHERER
> Does anyone know how to transfer files from the msdog partition of a hard
> drive into the OS9000 side?? All help appreciated. <Phil>
All you have to do is load a device descriptor for the appropriate partition
of your hard drive. Then just use the copy command.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87348 14-MAY 18:09 General Information
RE: OS9000 file transfer (Re: Msg 87337)
From: PHILSCHERER To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
Hi Zack--please forgive my ignorance, but what device descriptor shoul I
load? I have a file in the dog partition like--c:\OS9.bin and I want to
get it over into the OS9000 area. I'm just getting to use OS9000 so I'm
a little green in some of the stuff. Thanks! <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87346 14-MAY 16:38 Games & Graphics
Fortune
From: PHXKEN To: ALL
Can someone with access to Chestnut GET Scott McGee's Star Trek fortune
program and put it up here? It is said to be under pub/OSK/MISC. Thx!
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87349 14-MAY 21:01 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87341)
From: CHARLESAM To: COCOKIWI
Sounds neat! I may upgrade soon, depends on what I see at the Fest. And of
course $$$. I might need to send back the box so you can install that 100 ohm
resistor you spoke of when last we chatted. Remember I had a problem reaching
the right part of my screen with the joystick? I know you told me how to fix
it but I don't recall exactly what I was suppose to do. If I do send it back,
I'll pay postage both ways. Talk later.... Charlie
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87351 14-MAY 22:03 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87290)
From: JOSEPHCHEEK To: AJMLFCO (NR)
You wrote about
os-9000 for intel machines --
any idea of the availability of it
for other platforms?
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87364 15-MAY 15:06 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87343)
From: PAGAN To: DBREEDING (NR)
>I would think that as of this time, there might be a little more
>MM/1-specific software available, but as I understand it, any text-based
>software should run on any system.
Unless it's hard coded for a specific terminal or console, text based
software should run on just about any system. Any program that uses
termcaps should run on a System IV or V because 'vgakbd' is a pretty
complete implementation of vt100.
There is more G-Windows software being written. Ed distributes at least
four of my programs with his G-Windows packages and I'm working on some more
stuff right now.
Stephen (PAGAN)
"Warrants? We don't need no steenking warrants" - Chicago Housing Authority
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87365 15-MAY 15:11 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87364)
From: CPERRAULT To: PAGAN
[D er' Basix and 'Gworks'<?> packages that FHL mentioned quite a while back?
>Chris<
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End of Thread.
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87350 14-MAY 21:17 General Information
RE: OS9000 file transfer (Re: Msg 87348)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PHILSCHERER
> Hi Zack--please forgive my ignorance, but what device descriptor shoul I
> load? I have a file in the dog partition like--c:\OS9.bin and I want to
> get it over into the OS9000 area. I'm just getting to use OS9000 so I'm
> a little green in some of the stuff. Thanks! <Phil>
Everything you need to know is in the manuals. I assume you are a legal owner
and do have your set of docs? Then look on page B-1 of the PC/OS-9000
Installation Instructions, there are the descriptors you need. Usually,
for a file in drive C:, that would normally be "Partition #1 of physical
disk C:", in which case you would load the hc1 device descriptor module.
It would be file /dd/PORTS/PCAT/OBJS/hc1. To copy the file you would
then do something like:
$ copy /hc1/os9.bin /dd/os9.bin
Does this help?
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
"We did not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors,
we borrowed it from our descendants." Ancient proverb
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87372 15-MAY 19:03 General Information
RE: OS9000 file transfer (Re: Msg 87350)
From: PHILSCHERER To: COLORSYSTEMS
Hi Zack--I am a legal owner of OS9000 and I want to get rolling with a
terminal. If I tried to find out how from the three nice thick manuals I
have, I dont know how long it would have taken. Thanks for the direction.
<Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87352 14-MAY 22:56 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87118)
From: MREGC To: WDTV5
Gene,
I regret not being around to respond to this in a more timely manner,
and I'm sure the subject has been beaten to death by now, but I just have
to respond to this.
(I also apologize to everyone for perpetuating this discussion under an
inappropriate heading and topic.)
> I pay my taxes and think they should *not* be used for the latest so-
> called social engineering idea, but for pay and gear for law
> enforcement, and jails to put them in the first 2 times ...
First let me explain my perspective. I'm a college senior majoring in
psychology and minoring in sociology.
In my opinion the ideology you display in the above quote is largely
responsible for the continuing social problems we have in this society. As
any social psychology professor or textbook would batter you unendingly with,
every one of our actions is determined somewhat by who we are, and somewhat
by the situation/enviornment we find ourselves in. How much weight each
factor carries always has been and will always be a point of heated debate.
The point, however, is nonetheless true. In solving society's ills it will be
utterly necessary to deal with both the personal and social component of
every problem, or else nothing will ever be gained.
In laymen's terms it goes something like this:
If your car's battery dies, you replace it. If the new battery dies
again a month later, and every new battery after that dies after 1 month of
usage, do you simply keep replacing the dead batteries every month and think
that you've solved the problem? No, of course not. Probably after the first,
and definitely after the second battery you research the problem, and
discover something like a bad alternator as the root cause. Can you then just
replace the bad alternator and leave in the dead battery? Once again of
course not. You have to replace the dead battery, but once you've done that
AND replaced the bad alternator the problem is solved.
I believe this metaphor holds true for social problems. Yes you have to
put criminals in jail, but you also HAVE TO FIX THE UNDERLYING SOCIAL
PROBLEMS WHICH CREATED THE CRIMINALS IN THE FIRST PLACE or you won't make any
headway and you'll just be putting more and more people behind bars forever.
Unfortunately the above is something that neither staunch liberals nor
staunch conservatives seem to understand. Also unfortunately, it seems that
most people, including those who are in power, fit into one of those 2 half-
blind categories.
..End of Sermon...
..Can the Church Say Amen?...
..Eric...
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87353 14-MAY 22:57 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87216)
From: MREGC To: DBREEDING
David,
>> ... and a bunch of cops in California who got tried twice for the same
>> charge (yeah, they should have been found guilty the first time, but
>> they were not, and that should have been the end of it).
> This is what I have said all along. They may have been guilty, but
> unless ... foul play with or on the part of the jury had ocurred, that
> should have been it.
Okay, and in that case I say that a significant portion of the population
would have had reason to believe that the United States justice system had
failed them. This being the case, an uprising would have been in order for
the purpose of the group establishing its own rights in the absence of any
governing body capable of doing so, (and before you scoff at this idea
remember the many revoultions which have taken place throughout the world
and in this country throughout history.)
Is this something you would have preferred?
Now it is true that you can make any number of rational arguments against
the idea that letting the officers go free would have constituted the
obliteration of the rights of an entire race, or several races of people.
However, as a student of psychology and sociology, (and a member of the race
which saw this whole event as a test of their standing in American society,)
I would be quick to retort that, when dealing with human beings, the
objective reality of that admittedly overdramatized statement is almost if
not entirely worthless. What matters with a person, or especially with a
group of people, is the subjective reality that they perceive. In this
particular case I, and many others, would have perceived an unchallenged
not-guilty verdict as a complete breakdown of the United States justice
system as it applies to people who look like me, and a revolution, (loosely
translated as a riot, but one directed towards the justice and legal system,)
would have been entirely justified.
..God I know I'm gonna get blasted for this...
..Oh well, bring it on...
..Eric...
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87354 14-MAY 22:58 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87222)
From: MREGC To: MITHELEN
Paul,
> It takes guns outa the hands of law abideing citizens. It has no effect
> on criminals.
Well, if it keeps guns out of the hands of what you're calling "law
abideing citizens" then its definitely keeping guns out of the hands of
numerous "criminals," because in many cases they are one and the same. Why?
Because 1) most in-house firearms end up killing members of the household
they were originally bought to protect and 2) most murders are committed by
a family member of the murdered person. (I apologize for not citing a
reference here, but I sold my textbooks back to the university bookstore
yesterday!) :)
With this in mind, gun control could save quite a number of lives from
people who were never expected to be a threat. And this was never even an
argument anyone ever made for gun control!
By the way, this in no way means that I'm in favor of gun control. I
simply HATE seeing discussions in which one or both sides seems completely
ignorant of the valid points of the other side, as there has NEVER been any
argument of any importance in which both sides didn't have some valid
arguments. And no, I'm not pointing a finger at you with this. Its just
your message that I decided to respond to.
..Eric...
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87355 14-MAY 22:59 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87230)
From: MREGC To: ILLUSIONIST
> People should not need a reason for having or wanting any item...
> I personally have no interest in guns myself, but those that do should
> have the right to own any kind they please.
Yes, I totally agree. We *should* have the right, (this being America and
all,) to do anything so long as we don't infringe on anyone else's rights.
However, I think we're experiencing the strong influence of what I like to
call neo-Americans, (a category into which almost every one of us falls,)
who prefer the subversion of some of (and an ever increasing number of) our
rights to the risks taken when we allow freedom to run unchecked. These are
the people who don't understand that freedom has a price. These are the
very same people who claim to believe in the ideals of the forefathers in
founding the United States, but then are willing to turn completely away
from these ideas in practice. For instance, one of the original self-assigned
duties of America was to "make the world safe for Democracy," an idea
which most citizens would say that they believe in. However, many, if not
most citizens then turn around and are against US intervention in foreign
affairs for the same purpose they supposedly believe in. And, closer to home,
considering the original idea behind America being the big "melting pot," why
are there any such things as immigration laws, and why are (neo)Americans
constantly complaining about new immigrants into this great melting pot?
The answer, neo-Americans have essentially abandoned the original ideals
of America, are basically content with things the way are now, and are
practically willing to institute a police state to keep the status-quo.
What does this have to do with the gun control discussion? Gun control is
simply one of the first of a succession of infringements upon American rights
that will be perpetrated not by the government, but by the American people
themselves. (See also Beavis and Butthead, the 2 Live Crew, other rap and
heavy metal music arguments, and in general most arguments against tv and
movie violence.)
Gee, how did I end up in the political philosophy forum?
..Eric...
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87356 14-MAY 23:01 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87239)
From: MREGC To: MITHELEN
Paul,
> If the government is really concerned about crime, then they should
> concentrate on better enforcement, and stiffer penalties.
Please see my reply 87352. It applies precisely to your above quote.
..Eric...
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87357 14-MAY 23:04 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87240)
From: MREGC To: ISC (NR)
What? The voice of reason? I was beginning to think it was completely dead
around here! I'm glad someone else has the ability to see out of both eyes! :)
Well said, sir.
..Eric...
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87363 15-MAY 11:36 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87239)
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MITHELEN
I agree, criminals have no reason to fear being caught these days! I think the
guy in singapore got what was coming to him! If we had stiffer penalties here
in the US the crime rate would be a LOT lower in my hunb
le opinion. If
someone steals cut off a
finger and I seriously doubt he would stealagain! And I doubt if a l
oops. Sorry I don't know how to use delphi's messasage editor. Anyway I think
we are too leniant on criminals in this country and prisoners have too many
rights! After all they wouldn't be in prison if they hadn't abused those rights
and the rights of othe
rs!
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87366 15-MAY 15:58 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87088)
From: 01GEN40 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
What is it, then, that is WRONG with this gov't that they cannot see how
this can relatively get rid of crime. Referring to that GUN CONTROL law that
is. If it worked there, it sould, in theory, work everywhere. I understand
that this is what they have in Switzerland, where there is virtually no
crime whatsoever. I do not know where you are at, but, out here in Cali-
fornia, in the major metropolitan areas, crime is OUT OF CONTROL. You look
at someone wrong and they will either pull out a gun and shoot you or they
will take you to court and sue the pants off you. If some burglar breaks
into your house, slips on a rug and breaks his/her back, they can sue YOU!
What is this country coming to?!? I saw the perfect bumper sticker about
2 weeks ago, it said, "I love my country but I am afraid of my government."
And, with that I will say, See Ya. LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER>
01GEN40@delphi.com
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87367 15-MAY 16:23 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87095)
From: 01GEN40 To: JOHNREED (NR)
John,
With respect to what is happening today and with respect to whether it
has little or no affect on us now, in the long run, it will have a very
profound affect on our children and their children and...
That is my quote for the day and I have never read it anywhere because
it is from my heart. My son just turned 18 2 months ago. In retrospect,
what is this world going to be like when he is my age (42)? See ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER>
01GEN40@delphi.com
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87368 15-MAY 17:53 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87355)
From: VAXELF To: MREGC
Eric,
Are you going to the fest this weekend. If so look me up.
John D.
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87370 15-MAY 18:48 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87368)
From: MREGC To: VAXELF (NR)
John,
I wanted to make it to the Fest, but the funds just wouldn't allow it.
Look forward to hearing back from you guys as to how things went.
..Eric...
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87382 15-MAY 23:16 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87220)
From: WA2EGP To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
MY only answer to your response is to that "public opinion poll" you mentioned.
All polls can be biased depending on how they took it and where they took it.
I think an area of high crime might go for gun control where an area with low
crime might not be so inclined. IF 10 people were polled and 2 were for gun
control and 1 against (and the others don't respond) they can report that
people are for gun control 2 to 1 and forget (right) to mention the others that
didn't respond. Honest polls are VERY hard to take.
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8Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87228)
From: WA2EGP To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)
> There is absolutely no way anyone can justify the recreational ownership
> of assult weapons, period.
What about a collector? People do collect things because they like to own
a complete line of XXXX manufactorer's stuff. In ham radio you can have a
linear amplifier that, if used, would be illegal because the output is above
the FCC regs. But you can still have it. (Yeah, I know. You can't kill
someone with a radio but I think the analogy is valid)
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87384 15-MAY 23:31 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87242)
From: WA2EGP To: ILLUSIONIST
I just heard that BB pistols have to licensed in NJ. Not having one, I don't
know but 1. If it is true, well...... 2. If it is not, then there are some
people out there who don't know the state law or are having trouble finding the
actual written law which is down right scary!
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87386 1dtn
E G o S?(e g832)
From: WA2EGP To: MREGC
Geez.....I new it would be heading toward blaming us teachers (grin).
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87389 15-MAY 23:45 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87353)
From: WA2EGP To: MREGC
That opens up another can of worms. Too bad the media bias the country on
certain issues. 8 seconds of a tape and ignore the other 82 or so seconds.
Sound bites during elections. (Quayle spelled potato with an "e"! But how many
heard about Al and Tipper getting lost in the woods?) Florida got an easier
"gun law"....there will be a blood bath down there! (Never heard of it
happening. Maybe some Florida users can fill me in.) Once we HAD a news
media. Now....I'm not sure what it is.
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87390 15-MAY 23:50 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87366)
From: WA2EGP To: 01GEN40 (NR)
I believe in Switzerland, everyone has a couple of years of military training
which must include how to use and maintain weapons. Note, I didn't say were
in the military but training. They are ready to repel an invading force.
This info came from a friend of mine who spent some time there.
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87393 16-MAY 03:36 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87388)
From: MREGC To: WA2EGP (NR)
> Geez.....I new it would be heading towards blaming us teachers (grin).
Yep, you can pretty much blame the Arizona State University College of
Liberal Arts and Sciences for all of my sociopolitical and philosophical
philosophies. Before I came to college I was so conservative it was scary! :)
..Eric...
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87394 16-MAY 03:42 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87389)
From: MREGC To: WA2EGP (NR)
> Too bad the media bias the country on certain issues. ... Once we HAD a
> news media. Now....I'm not sure what it is.
Yeah, the media is a problem, but unfortunately not the root problem. It
is fed by, but also serves to perpetuate a more major underlying social
perception problem, and all it ends up doing is churning out generation after
generation of people who have no idea what reality is.
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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87359 14-MAY 23:37 General Information
This is insane.
From: BOISY To: ALL
At the risk of sounding irate, I would admonish those who tend to go
of on tirades regarding gun control, politics, laws of physics, etc. to
please refrain from posting replies. I'm rather tired of coming onto the
forum and reading lengthy messages about subjects which don't pertain
to OS-9. Come on folks, let's drop this discussion, please?
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87361 15-MAY 07:55 General Information
RE: This is insane. (Re: Msg 87359)
From: MRUPGRADE To: BOISY
Perhaps thh SYSOP here could add teh TOPIC SOAP as inmn theh RSCoCo
side. This covers all unrelated chatter. Then de-selecting that topic
steps you past the orations,,, on what color to paint the rug.
BTW: Didi I hear right? Prez Clinton was siad to be lobbing strong to
ban the guns he had approved to be shipped into the country.
Sorry couldn't resist...
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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87371 15-MAY 18:54 General Information
RE: This is insane. (Re: Msg 87359)
From: MREGC To: BOISY
Boisy,
I can understand and appreciate your disgust over the current preponderance
of non-OS9 related messages here. However, I must say that I personally find
it impossible to refrain from replying to what I perceive as either
tremendous breakdowns in logic or gross ignorance of more than one point of
view. In fact I think not responding worsens the situation by letting these
people believe that there is no counter-argument to their own.
Don't we have a "Soapbox" topic in the forum? Wouldn't these discussions
fit under that topic, which would allow those who don't wish to read these
messages to lock out that topic?
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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87360 15-MAY 05:42 General Information
RE: st225 (Re: Msg 87303)
From: ALWAGNER To: PHILSCHERER
Phil, there is a file somewhere in the OS9 database called seagate.ar. In it
is all you could ever want to know about most of the Seagate products. I have
extracted the part about the st225 below for your benefit. I was unable to
duplicate the IBM printer graphics showing the cabling. For that you'll have
to get the original file and print it out on an IBM style printer.
SEAGATE TECHNOLOGY, INC.
Customer Technical Support FAX Network +1 408 438-8137
Customer Technical Support Bulletin Boards (300-9600, 8-N-1)
United States +1 408 438-8771 United Kingdom +44 628 478011
Germany +49 89 140-9331 Singapore +65 227-2217
(C)opyright 1991
ST-225 ST412 MFM
UNFORMATTED CAPACITY (MB) ________________25.6
FORMATTED CAPACITY (17 SECTORS) (MB) _____21.4
ACTUATOR TYPE ____________________________STEPPER
TRACKS ___________________________________2,460
CYLINDERS ________________________________615
HEADS ____________________________________4
DISCS ____________________________________2
MEDIA TYPE _______________________________OXIDE
RECORDING METHOD _________________________MFM
TRANSFER RATE (mbits/sec) ________________5.0
SPINDLE SPEED (RPM) ______________________3,600
AVERAGE LATENCY (mSEC) ___________________8.3
INTERFACE ________________________________ST412
SECTORS PER DRIVE ________________________41,820
TPI (TRACKS PER INCH) ____________________588
BPI (BITS PER INCH) ______________________9,827
AVERAGE ACCESS (ms) ______________________65
SINGLE TRACK SEEK (ms) ___________________20
MAX FULL SEEK (ms) _______________________150
MTBF (power-on hours) ____________________100,000
POWER REQUIREMENTS: +12V START-UP (amps) _2.4
+12V TYPICAL (amps) __0.9
+5V TYPICAL (amps) ___0.8
TYPICAL (watts) ______14.8
MAXIMUM (watts) ______33
BUFFERED STEP PULSE RATE (micro sec) _____5-200
WRITE PRECOMP (cyl) ______________________300
REDUCED WRITE CURRENT (cyl) ______________N/A (616)
LANDING ZONE (cyl)________________________670
IBM AT DRIVE TYPE ________________________2
Seagate reserves the right to change, without notice, product
offerings or specifications. (6/26/90)
I hope this helps.
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87373 15-MAY 19:05 General Information
RE: st225 (Re: Msg 87360)
From: PHILSCHERER To: ALWAGNER (NR)
Thank you very much for the technical stuff Al--It's pretty much all I'll
need. <Phil>
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End of Thread.
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87362 15-MAY 08:42 Programmers Den
GNU C 2.5.8
From: KEITHBAUER To: ALL
I am trying to compile a program with the new version of GNU C. First let me
say that I have not used this version or the prior one very much. Anyway
the problem I ran into is this.
In the file included from ancadv.c:11:
This same error also comes up in the libio.h file. What is it looking for?
I can comment these lines out and the program compiles fine but I am sure
that these lines are there for a reason and should not be commented out.
I downloaded the 2 files from here called:
gcc_258_cmds.lzh
gcc_2_5_8_lib.lzh
The other files seemed to pertain to GCC+. Do I need one or more of these
files also?
Also are there any little 'tricks' that one needs to know about using the GNU
C. It seems to give alot of warnings that CC never gives me.
Thanks
Keith Bauer
CIS:71102,317 Delphi:keithbauer Internet:kbauer@pids.com
Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01 How 'bout them Cowboys!
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87369 15-MAY 17:57 OSK Applications
MM/1 internal speaker
From: VAXELF To: ALL
has anyone found a way to use the internal speaker other than the
BELL command in GCFX.L and "display 07".
I once read about the internal sound port was controlable.
John D.
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87374 15-MAY 19:30 General Information
Puppo Broke
From: STEWARD To: ALL
While tring to repair the solder joints on the ibm keyboard plug, I broke the
capacitors connected to it, and it dosn't work without them, and I can't
identify what value they are. Can anybody help me?
Brian
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87377 15-MAY 20:41 General Information
RE: Puppo Broke (Re: Msg 87374)
From: DSRTFOX To: STEWARD
You can order a back issue of "68' micros" for $4 from FARNA Systems, 904
2nd Avenue, Warner Robins, GA 31098-1029 and get the issue with a complete
schematic of the Puppo, or I can give you the capacitor values here. If you
get the back issue, just specify the one with the Puppo schematic.
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End of Thread.
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87375 15-MAY 20:27 General IformaDAC To: WDTV5 (NR)
Gene, I see that you quite often upload .lhz archives. Are you doing them
with the OS9 LHA? I have a problem that LHA isn't working properly wit
h
Nitro and am trying to find if this is happening to others.
Anyone else reading this, who has a comment, is more than welcome to
add to the report. The new version -cee- is ready, developed with
Powerboost but we would like to clear ujup my problem before I put it
here.
Merv
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87376 15-MAY 20:34 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87286)
From: DSRTFOX To: ILLUSIONIST
I'll put some info on the SIG as soon as I get back from Chicago and
recuperate!
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87385 15-MAY 23:32 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87339)
From: MDALENE To: ILLUSIONIST
Thanks! Gee, I wish I went to your community College. Connecticut has such
a anal rententiveness about not giving away old stuff. They force you to go
to hartford a haggle at an state aution for the stuff. Only I do nnot live
in hartford!!!!;
Michele Marie Dalene
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87391 16-MAY 01:59 General Information
RE: HeathKit case/PS (Re: Msg 87376)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Thanx! I hope to get a SCSI system up and running ASAP..
-* Mike
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End of Thread.
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87378 15-MAY 21:46 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87317)
From: TEDJAEGER To: PAGAN
This thread is starting to get interesting to a psychologist now! The
notion about the importance of the observer in determining what is
observed is something psychology has struggled with throughout is
history. First (Wundt 1879) we studied the mind by intrspection, then
William James, bringing psychology to the US said that the act of
observing your mind changed it so introspection was no good as an
experimental technique for discovering parts of consciousness. Finally
Watson (1913) said give up on the mind and study only objective
behavior. Unforch Watson made some politically incorrect manuevers
with a grad student and was asked to resign from John Hopkins. His
influenced waned and we're back to doing mental processes again, often
taking the computer as a model for how the mind works. Ah science!
Bests
---TedJaeger
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87379 15-MAY 22:53 Telecom (6809)
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 87291)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: MMCCLELLAND
Ummm, if you have a converted mod-pak, then you have a real RS232 port. Gonna
have to go over some basics here.
Do you use a MPI, and if so, which slot os the mod-pak in?
What addr is the mod-pak set to?
What driver and descriptor do you use?
Tuneport is for adjusting the delay constant of the timing loop for the
brain-damaged serial port on the back of the coco. This program only works
with, and is only needed for, the MicroWare/Tandy drivers that use this
port. RS232 packs are interupt driven, and do not use a timing loop.
Randy
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87380 15-MAY 23:05 Telecom (6809)
RE: Loading SC to another window (Re: Msg 87260)
From: WA2EGP To: RANDYKWILSON
Geez....it figures. I got back yesterday. Your were still a little ways away
but it would have been interesting to eyeball. Oh well, maybe sometime in the
future.......
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87381 15-MAY 23:11 General Information
help
From: ROBERT84 To: ALL
Could someone help me out, I downloaded cctools from the database here. In
the docs the author tells you to call the "back door bbs" to get a module
to get rid of the pesky little window that keeps popping up. But he does not
give the phone number. Does anyone out there know it?
Thanks for the help,
Bob
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87392 16-MAY 02:14 General Information
virtual terminal
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
Does anyone know if a product called Virtual Terminal (from South East Media)
is still available? (Maybe from another vendor at this point?)
VT allows running multiable applications from a terminal (similar to the
way the CoCo windowing works, in that you just hit CLEAR to switch between
screens) I have a program similar to VT running on my UNIX system, and would
love to run several tasks from a terminal on my CoCo...If VT isnt available
I might set out to write the program myself, but I know right off the bat
it would require pipelines to be set up, and I havent messed with pipes
that much.. and then there is the fact that the software would have to
keep a "screen shot" of the program at all times to ensure proper screen
updating..
well, any info on the Virtual Terminal software is appreciated, thanks..
-* Mike
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87395 16-MAY 04:09 Telecom (6809)
SuperComm
From: MMCCLELLAND To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
Rick-
Yes, I use an MPI, and the mod-pak is in slot 2 (although it could easily be
put in slot 1 or 3)
I believe that the low byte of the mod-pak is &H68 and the high byte is &HFF.
I am using the standard driver and device descriptor. I have tried to get
SAcia, but COCOOS9 will not convert it because of its size. I have also
downloaded the Edition 9 clock module and attempted to substitute it for the
old clock, but the new boot disk
that I created failed during the bootup.
Supercomm appeared to work fine using 300 baud with the mod-pak, but it
locked up at the end of downloads and when I used the keyclick feature. At 1200
and 2400 baud, it communicated fine with the modem (an Anchor 2400E), but not
while using delphi. Delp
hi seemed to understand what I typed, but it sent me words with missing and bad
characters, especially when many <CR>'s were sent. My printer had a problem
that was identical to this, and either TUNEPORT or a new clock module should
have fixed it. Do you t
hink that Edition 9 would fix these problems?
-=Mark=-
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87396 16-MAY 04:18 General Information
RE: 2 B&B interfaces at the same time (Re: Msg 87233)
From: BROWN80 To: STEWARD (NR)
It has been a while but lets see how much I remember. I think the answer is
in the documentation. First, you know that you can put two drive on the same
interface? If you still need more than one interface, I think the secret is
in setting up the decriptors and drivers. On the disk that Chris gives you to
create the descriptors, is a blank for each slot on the MPI, this should be
allow you to create descriptors that will address each controller uniquely(sp)
If you've already taken this into account, I'll shut up and let smarter guys
advize you.
John Brown
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87397 16-MAY 18:45 Telecom (6809)
RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 87395)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: MMCCLELLAND
Bingo. When using AciaPak and T2, you need to have the device in slot one
of the MPI. Aciapak sets the MPI to send through interupts *only* from slo
one. This is why you're missing so many chars. The packs interupts aren't
getting through. You're only getting what is caught during the 60hz clock
IRQ scan.
There is a hardware hack to get around this, but it is only needed if you
want to run more than one IRQ driven device at a time. For now, just move
the pack.
While on the subject, there is one more thing you'll run in to. With the
stock clock and Aciapak, the mod-pak will appear to lock up on occasion.
SAcia and Ed #9 clock were written to fix this. So get them installed
soonest. :>
Oh, in the mean time, if it locks, hit another window and do a "dir" on
a floppy drive. IT isn't the pak itself locked, it's the IRQ logic in the
GIME chip. Accessing a floppy will shake it free on motor off. Kludgy, but
it will keep you rolling.
Randy
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87398 16-MAY 20:06 General Information
RE: lha/Nitro (Re: Msg 87375)
From: BANANAMAN To: VE3DAC (NR)
I've had problems with LHA under Nitros9 as well, but they always seem to go
away when I append #24k to the command line. Give it a try.
--Andy
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87402 16-MAY 23:59 General Information
RE: lha/Nitro (Re: Msg 87375)
From: WDTV5 To: VE3DAC (NR)
Yes, I've been using "lha2.11b", I'm Nitro'd, no problems with it. Matthew's lzh
now is another problem, but it still works, you just have to feed it files it
made. Even tho the filename extension is the same, the headers used aren't so
they don't like each others output. I wish we had defined a new ext for the name
and that would ahve fixed a LOT of Matts lzh probs.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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End of Thread.
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87399 16-MAY 20:10 General Information
OS9?
From: BANANAMAN To: ALL
All these messages under the PGP for OSK topic are really starting
to piss me off.
--Andy
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87400 16-MAY 23:02 General Information
RE: 2 B&B interfaces at the same time (Re: Msg 87396)
From: STEWARD To: BROWN80
Yes, you are correct about setting about the descriptors for another slot.
Another you have to do is rename the driver and make the new descriptors use
that driver. The driver itself won't handle to interfaces. I've done it this
way in the past.
I'm just not able to do it with an older interface.
Brian
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87401 16-MAY 23:31 General Information
Fest
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
Well its getting near time to shut down the machine and box it up. Had the
car serviced today and its time pack a bag or two. Chicago (Elgin) here we
come. Hope to meet many of the people here and thus be able to put faces
with names. I made my shopping list out and tommorrow I'll break open my
piggy bank and count my coins. Who knows, maybe an upgrade is in the works.
Here I am at 50 feeling like a kid approaching Christmas Day. Ah, some
people never grow up. I love it though.... Charlie
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87403 17-MAY 00:04 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87401)
From: REVWCP To: CHARLESAM
Charlie I look forward to seeing you, may God go with with you and grant you
a safe trip.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87406 17-MAY 00:23 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87403)
From: CHARLESAM To: REVWCP
Thank you so much Brother Jeremy. We are looking forward to meeting you.
Be there Friday if all goes as expected. See you then Charlie
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87421 17-MAY 21:53 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87401)
From: HAWKSOFT To: CHARLESAM (NR)
> Well its getting near time to shut down the machine and box it up. Had
> the car serviced today and its time pack a bag or two. Chicago (Elgin)
> here we come. Hope to meet many of the people here and thus be able to put
> faces with names. I made my shopping list out and tommorrow I'll break
> open my piggy bank and count my coins. Who knows, maybe an upgrade is in
> the works. Here I am at 50 feeling like a kid approaching Christmas Day.
> Ah, some people never grow up. I love it though.... Charlie
>
I'm here in Elgin now (5/17). Where are you guys??? I'm Waiting!!!! <g>
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87425 17-MAY 23:20 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87421)
From: JEJONES To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
> I'm here in Elgin now (5/17). Where are you guys??? I'm Waiting!!!! <g>
Well...I'm here in the Land of Pig, trying to get ready, and hoping that
things don't turn out on the road like they did last time I rode back from
the Chicago area. That afternoon, a state trooper pulled us over. We
wondered whether a tail light had gone out, until she walked up and told
us she was headed down the road to check out a report of a tornado, and
we'd better be ready to pull over and jump in the ditch.
"Yes, *ma'am*," we said.
We were at a point at which there wasn't much but road, so we didn't have
much choice save to drive on and look to see whether the cars approaching
from the other direction were on the ground.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87430 18-MAY 01:06 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87425)
From: MITHELEN To: JEJONES
The 5 day outlook for the Chicago, and surounding area looks excellent.
Temps are expected to climb into the 80's towards the weekend, with a chance
of rain sunday evening...
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End of Thread.
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87404 17-MAY 00:07 General Information
fest
From: REVWCP To: REVKAK
Dear Keith:
I look forward to seeing you friday. I don't know if you know CHARLESAM. He
lves over in North Massapequa.
I pray that you will have a safe trip, and may God go before you to prepare a
safe journey.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87428 17-MAY 23:41 General Information
RE: fest (Re: Msg 87404)
From: REVKAK To: REVWCP
Dear Brother Jeremy:
Thank you for the prayer for safe journey. I will contact CHARLESAM, he
may like some company for the long ride to Chicago. I have his number
since we both belonged to the Long Island CoCo club.
Let me know if I may be of any service on Sunday morning. I do have a
local minister's license.
With all God's blessings,
Rev. Keith Kounovsky
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End of Thread.
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87405 17-MAY 00:13 General Information
Fest
From: REVWCP To: ALL
Dear Friends:
I will be offering a celebration of the Holy Eucharist (Holy Communion) on
thursday evening with special intentions for those traveling to the fest.
I pray that God will grant all of you safe travel, and that this will be a
good time together. Knowing how things work out, I will offer special
prayers that Vendors and their wares arrive together...
I am truly looking foward to seeing all of you again. I suppose that the
fest of one of the special times of the year for me. It is a time to great
old friends and make new ones. I hope that it will be a successful fest for
the vendors and once again a special thanks to Glenside for making it
possible.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87446 18-MAY 22:37 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87405)
From: JOHNREED To: REVWCP
Looking forward to seeing you again Br. Jeremy.
We will arrive real late Thursday (or early Friday)
to give Christie more time to haul me into Chicago
to see museums, dolphins & whales, and other tourist-type
stuff. Christie tolerates computers, but she is not
especially fond of them. Her only sign of interest in
the 'fest' itself was to ask "will Br. Jeremy be there?"
(honest!).
I'm bringing the MM/1 this time - maybe it will learn
something too.
********************************
If you can keep your head while all about you are losing
theirs ----- you probably don't understand the situation
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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87447 18-MAY 23:43 General Information
RE: Fest (Re: Msg 87446)
From: REVWCP To: JOHNREED (NR)
Dear John:
I am very touched that Christie would ask. I remember speaking with her
last year. I lokk forward to seeing you both.
(Sorry that should be look)
If you can keep your head while all about you are losing
theirs ---- at least you can wear a hat?????????????????????
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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End of Thread.
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87407 17-MAY 01:58 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87011)
From: TAULBORG To: MRGOOD
I would like the hard drive if you still have it!
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87419 17-MAY 21:50 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87407)
From: MRGOOD To: TAULBORG
Yup, the hard drive is still available.
Hugo
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87423 17-MAY 22:17 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87419)
From: TAULBORG To: MRGOOD (NR)
How much would the hard drive cost me,shipping and all?and can you hold it for
me if i want it?
One more question is it mfm or compatible?I run with a B&B interface and
a 5150 controler card that will handle two drives.Thanks for the reply
and I hope and pray for another good reply!
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87424 17-MAY 22:27 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87011)
From: TAULBORG To: MRGOOD (NR)
I just came back to read your original message and with postage and stuff,
it would cost me $70 or more for that 20 meg so I think I will go across
town to the used computer store and get a bigger one for less.
Sorry to bother you but I bought my 20 meg mfm seagate for $1 a meg.The
used computer store across town has a little higher prices but worth the
trips it takes to get one that works.If you ever decide to get rid of
your drive REAL cheap let me know!!!
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87431 18-MAY 01:10 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87407)
From: JWILKERSON To: TAULBORG
What.... did you burn out another HD :)
_almost_ made it to the meeting..... My work schedule starts me at 9pm now,
so I'll be again once able to attend meetings... if only for a part of them.
Seeya
-- John
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87432 18-MAY 01:13 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87424)
From: JWILKERSON To: TAULBORG
Hey Steve... if you see any other good stuff there, drop me a line....
I need a power supply, so I can get my Tandy 1000 HX back on line.... need
to use it to run PGP to encrypt email between me and my girlfriend.
-- John
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87444 18-MAY 22:28 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87431)
From: TAULBORG To: JWILKERSON (NR)
No I didn't mess this one up i just need a lot more room for OS9.
Yes I have finaly got into os9,and I love it but I aint so good at it!
I am good enough tofill up 3/4 of a 20 meg drive though!Now I need a
second drive just for os9!
We would love to see you at the meetings!!!!!We are trying to put it
as close as we can to it's original shape!Just showing up for a little
while will help!Maybe you could come over here someday and help me
fix a few things in os9.I got most things working fine but some things
I don't know how to do,or I mess it up all the time!
Nice hearing from you and please reply or get in contact when possible.
See ya L8r!
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87445 18-MAY 22:31 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87432)
From: TAULBORG To: JWILKERSON (NR)
I will try to remember to look for a power supply when I make it up there
but I have to come up with the money for a second hard drive first!
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End of Thread.
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87408 17-MAY 02:09 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87357)
From: ISC To: MREGC
Ric,
Thanks for the support! Maybe there is still a chance to turn some things
around or open a few pairs of eyes.
Bill
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87422 17-MAY 21:53 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87352)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MREGC
> ..End of Sermon...
> ..Can the Church Say Amen?...
> ..Eric...
>
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.01.00 >******************
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87438 18-MAY 06:00 OSK Applications
RE: PGP for OSK? (Re: Msg 87422)
From: MREGC To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
> AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always good to hear from the congregation. :)
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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87409 17-MAY 03:16 OSK Applications
Format of OSK "kill"
From: MREGC To: ALL
Being without a set of OSK manuals, I find myself at a disadvantage that
hopefully someone here will help me with.
I've been using the old CoCo OS9 C-Compiler manual to get the syntax,
entry and exit conditions of all the system calls, but I can never be sure
these hold true under OSK.
In particular, can someone tell me the syntax for OSK "kill" C call? I also
need to know the values it returns and under what conditions it returns them.
..Thanx...
..Eric...
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87433 18-MAY 01:45 OSK Applications
RE: Format of OSK "kill" (Re: Msg 87409)
From: NIMITZ To: MREGC
int kill(pid,sigcode) where pid is an int and sigcode is a short. conventional
meanings of sigcode are found in Signal.h returns -1 if an error occurs,
with the appropriate error in errno. If the PID is zero, the superuser can
send a signal to all processes.
BTW - I'll have two manual sets at the fest with me, for a nice discount off
of Microwares SRP.
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87437 18-MAY 05:58 OSK Applications
RE: Format of OSK "kill" (Re: Msg 87433)
From: MREGC To: NIMITZ (NR)
> BTW - I'll have two manual sets at the fest with me, for a nice discount
> off of Microwares SRP.
Unfortunately I won't be able to attend. Even if I had the money I would
have used it to get the manuals and the 68340 first! :)
If you don't sell those manuals, and the price is different than the one
you've already quoted me, (and that price isn't just a show special,) l]EV<45>5R<35>RX<52>ready know the financial situation, when it changes at the end of
the month that may become a possibility again.
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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87410 17-MAY 18:21 General Information
Qed
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
Can someone upload a copy of Qed to the databases here, it is a program
from the old OS-9 UG, it is listed in the OS-9 Source Book but isnt in
the database here on delphi..it is listed in the source book as being
in volume 55.. does anyone have a copy of this editor? or know how
I can get ahold of it..
-* Mike
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87426 17-MAY 23:20 General Information
RE: Qed (Re: Msg 87410)
From: JEJONES To: ILLUSIONIST
> Can someone upload a copy of Qed to the databases here, it is a program
> from the old OS-9 UG
Gee...I didn't know anybody even remembered it any more. I have it, and I'll
upload it. (It was a port I did of a C Users Group program--I sped it up,
at the expense of internal fragmentation, and made the syntax more like Unix
ed. Oh, yeah...I added the ability to escape to a shell; CP/M, of course,
didn't allow that sort of thing.) The archive I'll upload will include a
list of things that really ought to be done to the program; if you have the
inclination to improve it, I expect that people will appreciate it; it
still has some uses, especially in shell scripts and the like.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective autHHh+Y<> Chip: Big Brother Inside
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87435 18-MAY 04:59 General Information
RUWR+Y<>(Re: Msg 87426)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: JEJONES
Great! Thanks.. I am kinda busy with a few other programming projects
right now.. but as soon as my time frees up, I will definatly look into
adopting Qed.. I need to get a text editor integrated with IndiPWB anyway..
thanks..
-* Mike
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End of Thread.
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87412 17-MAY 19:09 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87313)
From: CPERRAULT To: NIMITZ
>>Should be this year,...<<
Sounds great. I hope they do come through with it.
>>but they are not sure they want to do it....<<
Hmm, would you happen to know how effective some anonymous
threatening letters would be? <grin>
Really, I do hope Kwindows becomes available for the Delmar
systems as well as other OSK machines. That's where our software seems
to be now. The more machines it is available for, the more software is
bound to come out :-)
>Chris<
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87416 17-MAY 20:48 OSK Applications
RE: G-WINDOWS for MM/1 (Re: Msg 87205)
From: HAWKSOFT To: JOHNBAER
Hi ED!!!!
Let me add my THANKS as well!! And I too will see you at the 'fest.
BTW, will you be returning my 'electronic check' ??? Or should I put an
'electronic stop payment' on it?? <g>
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87413 17-MAY 19:21 General Information
Panasonic Printer
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
Ok here's the latest with my Serial to Parralell converter adventure. Make
that, the Blue Streak Ultima. A while back, on a few occasions I asked
whether the power required on pin 18 to run the ultima was supplied on
Panasonic printers, and so far everyone has said no. Recently my folks got
a new 486 for the house and my mother got an HP 560 Deskjet for her hair
Salon so she print out color envelopes and such. They brought the
Panasonic home for the new computer, so I decided it would be a good time
to test for myself, since it is now at the house :-) This is the model K
KX-P1123(24 pin) btw. I hooked it up to the ultima and powered it up, and it
actually APPEARS to be getting power. When I type 'dir >/p' it does send
characters to the printer BUT, all it prints is a line or so of
garbage. I changed my baud settings in xmode and on the ultima to try and find
some improvement but got none. There was one thing I noticed tho. If I had my
xmode for the printer baud at 2400 and
the Ultima was set at 9600 I got that garbage, but if they were both 9600 or
2400, I got nothing.
Would that indicate I am not getting enough power, or am I just dealing with
bad settings either in xmode or somewhere on the printer<as I hope>?
I can't find the Dip switches on the panasonic, but am not sure if it even has
those hidden anywhere. I'll check the printer manual to see what I can scrape
up
there, but if anyone can confirm that I am getting power<and enough of it>,
please reply.
See Ya
>Chris< (who should probably just buy the Deskjet anyway)
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87414 17-MAY 20:12 General Information
Fest
From: REVWCP To: ALL
Dear friends:
On Sunday morning, as I am under obligation to offer the Holy Eucharist, we
will be having a worship service. If anyone coming to the fest, from the local
area plays guitar or other instruments, and would like to contribute to the
service as a musician, please feel free to do so.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87415 17-MAY 20:27 General Information
TEAC drives
From: JHICKLE To: ALL
When one of my TEAC F55BR's died recently I picked up a couple of the same
model (I thought) from Hi-Tech Components. One of the new units has a
solenoid that moves the head into contact with the disk media when the
drive is accessed. The noise is bothersome, especially when the house is
quiet. None of the jumpers on the unit seems to allow the solenoid to
stay engaged; HS was jumpered...moved that to HL. Does anyone know if it
going to cause trouble if I swap the solenoid & associated hardware with
the no-solenoid assembly from the old drive?
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87417 17-MAY 20:50 OSK Applications
OSK kill() C command
From: VAXELF To: MREGC
Here is the syntax from my C manual.
Kill()
synopsis: #include <signal.h>
int kill(pid, sigcode)
int pid;
short sigcode;
function: Kill() sends a signal to a process. Both the sending and receiving
process must have the same user number unless the sending process
user number is that of the super user(0).
the value in sigcode is sent as a signal to the process whose ID
number is pid. you can give any value in sigcode. The conventional
code numbers are definded in the <signal.h> header file.
kill() returns -1 if an error occurs and the appropriate error code
is placed in the global varible errno.
caveats: The super user can send a signal to all processes running on the
system if the pid is zero.
Hope this helps. Right out of the manual.
John D.
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87436 18-MAY 05:47 OSK Applications
RE: OSK kill() C command (Re: Msg 87417)
From: MREGC To: VAXELF
Thanx much, that's exactly what I needed to know. Now that I know that I
have the syntax correct, I obviously must be doing something else wrong since
the 2 processes don't seem to be communicating properly!
..Eric...
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87418 17-MAY 21:24 General Information
Printout
From: REVWCP To: ISC (NR)
Dear Bill:
I'm sorry that I have taken so long to acknowledge your letter containing
printout samples of MAX-10 on the DeskJet 500. When finances permit, I
will be buying one. Thank you for taking the time to help me out.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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87420 17-MAY 21:52 General Information
RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 87317)
From: HAWKSOFT To: PAGAN
Just remember:
"Reality is only the most widely accepted FANTASY!!"
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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87427 17-MAY 23:32 General Information
OS9 Nominations
From: BRIANGOERS To: ALL
First off I am sorry I took so long to post this.However send
responces to me via e-mail (BRIANGOERS) ON DELPHI.
I am Chairmen of the Nominating committee. so if you wish to run for
a position on the Board send the information that is printed below
, to me.
The following positions on the OS-9 Users Group, Inc. Board of Directors
are open for nominations.
Position Term Incumbent
--------------------------------- ------------------ ------------------
President (Two years) Carl Boll
Executive Vice President (One year) Colin McKay
Director-at-Large (Three years) Ed Gresick
Director-at-Large (Two years) Steven Weller
Director-at-Large (One year) VACANT
Voting will be held during the OS-9 Users Group, Inc. Annual General
Meeting to be held 21 May 1994, at 7pm in the Meeting Room of:
The Holiday Inn Elgin
345 W River Rd
Elgin, IL.
Nominations are open to Individual Members of the OS-9 User Group in
good Standing who are at least 21 years of age.
Nominations shall be submitted in writing, and shall be signed by two
nominators who are Individual Members in good standing, and signed by
the candidate. Nominations may be passed to the Secretary prior to the meeting,
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OS-9 Users Group, Inc. Nomination Form
Position :_____________________________________
Name
Nominee:________________________________________
Nominator #1 :__________________________________
Nominator #2 :__________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________
Brian Goers V.P OS-9 6809
Chairman of Nominating Committee
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87429 18-MAY 00:17 General Information
Computers
From: COCOKIWI To: ALL
To ALL........****** NEWS*** FLASH ********
Commodore is no more......no more AMEGIA ...64,s/128,s
they were losing money a lot.....and have finaly closed up shop!
***** R.I.P ******
Another one joins the lost computer crowd.......
Dennis
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87434 18-MAY 03:01 General Information
# of daily messages?
From: DGANTZ To: ALL
Could anyone tell me what the average daily number of messages are left?
Also, could someone refresh my memory as to how to file all new messages
so that I can download them?
Thanx.
Dave
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87440 18-MAY 09:19 General Information
Fest Weather
From: BOISY To: MITHELEN
I've been watching the weather closely too. The latest I have is that
Chicago is going to be clear and warm from now (Wednesday morning) to
Saturday. Actually, it looks like we here in Des Moines will have a pretty
good week left, with clouds moving in Friday.
We're leaving Friday morning, heading east, so we'll be in the sun all the
way there. What better way to start off a great weekend than with great
weather!
BTW, for those of you with Internet access, telnet to downwind.sprl.umich.edu
at port 3000 for up to date weather information from the NWS.
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87442 18-MAY 11:58 General Information
Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates
From: BOISY To: ALL
Can someone tell if it is cost effective to use the Holiday Inn Elgin's
in room phone service to make modem phone calls to a local number? What
I plan to do is to bring my MM/1 and modem to call Delphi through a local
access number. I need to know as soon as possible.
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87443 18-MAY 20:30 General Information
RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87442)
From: MITHELEN To: BOISY
Off hand, I don't know... Try calling up the hotel and asking how they bill
local phone calls.
--
Paul
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87448 19-MAY 00:40 General Information
RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87443)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: BOISY
I don't know about Elgin. I did call Tymnet from the H-I NorthLake (Atlanta)
to access Delphi. I believe it was $0.25 per local call.
Randy
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87458 19-MAY 22:18 General Information
RE: Holiday Inn Elgin Phone Rates (Re: Msg 87442)
From: WA2EGP To: BOISY (NR)
I can't tell you about that Holiday Inn but the Redmont Holiday Inn in
Birmingham, Al charged $.50 for local calls. That might give you an idea
of what the charge might be if you don't get any other info. I don't know if
the hotel chain charges the same in each one or if it is dependent on the
local phone company.
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87449 19-MAY 01:22 OSK Applications
RE: Format of OSK "kill" (Re: Msg 87437)
From: NIMITZ To: MREGC (NR)
Sorry, Eric, at this point, the special thing about the Chicago CoCoFest for
BHE is that we are going to be there! The production thing takes a lot of
money, and pricing on those manuals is cut to the bone already. Sorry!
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87450 19-MAY 01:55 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87351)
From: AJMLFCO To: JOSEPHCHEEK (NR)
Theoretically, OS9000 is portable to machines other
than 68K and x86. I don't know it true in the practical
sense. A native version for the Power PC would be nice,
that's for sure.
Allen
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87451 19-MAY 02:04 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87304)
From: AJMLFCO To: JOHNREED (NR)
John,
I think you may be too practical <g>. I had to use
my Kix\30 as a terminal system for about 9 months and
I can tell you it sucks. After some time learning the
OSK shell, etc. I turned it off and went back to the
CoCo which at least has a windowing system. Now that
I have the graphics board and Gwindows on the Kix\30, I
have regained my interest. OSk 2.4 is my next wish <sigh>.
Allen
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87454 19-MAY 05:40 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87451)
From: ILLUSIONIST To: AJMLFCO (NR)
Well, it wouldnt be hard to code up a task-switcher in Basic for OSk
(or for Basic09 on the CoCo even) to allow full-screen "windows" on
a terminal. How? it requires pipes, and a few arrays ....and some
simple if/then/else logic. Just run the program you want with STDin,Stdout
and StdErr routed threw pipes to the switcher, then, the switcher can
switch data to/from the screen on receipt of an esc code.. the programs
would run concurrently just like CoCo windows.. the arrays would have to
be something like this (Basic code:) DIM array(24):string[80] or
DIM array(1920):string[1].. this array would hold a "screen" shot..
so that when you leave 1 application, when you get back, the screen is
fully updated.. you just put the array back on the screen..
it wouldnt be all that hard really.. problems would arise with esc codoes
err.. codes.. they would fill up the array's faster, and the "screen shot"
wouldnt be complete.. I am really surprised that no-one has written one
for Osk, I can see why people havent bothered for the CoCo, it has a
windowing system, and not many people use it from a terminal..
If I cannot locate a copy of the old Virtual Terminal software for OS-9/6809
I will embark on writing a 2 task (maybe a 3 task) switcher.. (of course
the switch could run a copy of itself..all that I really need it a 3 task
switcher.. 1st task= terminal prog. 2nd task= shell. 3rd= maybe a game
or whatever..
-* Mike
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87455 19-MAY 20:32 General Information
RE: hi! (Re: Msg 87364)
From: DBREEDING To: PAGAN
> Unless it's hard coded for a specific terminal or console, text based
> software should run on just about any system. Any program that uses
> termcaps should run on a System IV or V because 'vgakbd' is a pretty
> complete implementation of vt100.
Yeah, that is as I understand it. The compatibility thing may take a
little getting used to, but I didn't feel that there should be any problem
there. I would love to see it get to where we have total universal
compatibility. IMO, possibly the ticket would be to get G-Windows installed
on most MM/1's. I think that the more systems that a developer can write for,
then the more encouragement he will have to produce and upgrade.
> There is more G-Windows software being written. Ed distributes at least
> four of my programs with his G-Windows packages and I'm working on some
> more stuff right now.
I'm really getting anxious to get started. I had been afraid that it would
be quite hard to abandon my CoCo, but I'm beginning to kinda look away from
it.
Do you have one of the PT systems?
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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87452 19-MAY 02:38 General Information
RE: virtual terminal (Re: Msg 87392)
From: AJMLFCO To: ILLUSIONIST
Try "Structured Software Solutions, Inc"
800-235-9901
Or,
try
"JSB corp."
800-359-3408
Both of these companies, among others, sell windowing
software for terminals. I got these numbers out of
advertisements in Unix Review.
Hopefully, one might be able to get a copy of the
windowing protocol. I believe one standard being
promoted is called Alpha Windows and that protocol
may be available.
Allen
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87453 19-MAY 03:30 General Information
Fest Departure
From: NIMITZ To: ALL
Buy, all! I'm getting ready to take down my machine, and leave for the Fest!
Hope to see you all there!
David
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87456 19-MAY 20:32 General Information
RE: lha/Nitro (Re: Msg 87402)
From: DBREEDING To: WDTV5
One other prob with Matthew's "lha" was it seemed to have trouble with
-other- people's extensions. It wouldn't explode some files, but
"unlzh" v7(?) would.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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87457 19-MAY 21:20 Telecom (6809)
supercomm
From: MMCCLELLAND To: RANDYKWILSON
Randy-
SuperComm works great now! I did find two major problems though. The first is
that if I don't do an MDIR after loading it, OS9 completely locks up. The other
problem is that SuperComm will not load my .adf files. When I try to use the
autodialer, I only
et an error #221. I put the files in the /d0/SYS/DIAL directory and set the
attributes, but they still wouldn't load. I hope youu can offer some solutions
to these problems. Thanks!
-Mar
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87462 19-MAY 23:30 Telecom (6809)
RE: supercomm (Re: Msg 87457)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
Ah. A #221 error is module not found. Since SC looks flor the .adf's in
/DD/SYS/DIAL, I would suspect that you do not have the /dd descriptor in your
boot.
las, there is (as of yet) no way to change the default adf directory. So you
have two choices. ne is to add the /dd descriptor to your bootlist. The other
is to go tramping through the SC binary with a binary editor, and change the
/dd/sys/dial to /d0/sys/dial. I would suggest adding the descriptor, as many
programs default to it. That's the whole reason it exists.
Randy
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87459 19-MAY 22:20 General Information
RE: Printout (Re: Msg 87418)
From: ISC To: REVWCP (NR)
Brother Jeremy,
I am glad to help you most especially because you are an avid CoCoist of
long standing. Moreover, I remember your mentioning that you may attempt
to write some new printer drivers for Max-10. I would be quite interested
in helping you with the testing of those if your project ever comes about.
The original drivers that were shipped with Max-10 are adequate as they
stand, but they were written at 72 dots per inch because the printers
available then could not do better. Now that printers like the Deskjet
and many others are able to do 300 dots per inch or better resolution,
it would be pleasing to see some of those Max-10 fonts without the tiny
jagged edges that 72 dots per inch mapping causes.
So, be sure to let me know if your project ever comes about. I and many
here still look for ways to improve the data that we churn out of our
little computers.
Bill
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87460 19-MAY 22:25 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87424)
From: MRGOOD To: TAULBORG
Remember my asking price includes a full height case and
hefty power supply.
Hugo
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87461 19-MAY 22:49 General Information
RE: Coco stuff for sale (Re: Msg 87460)
From: TAULBORG To: MRGOOD (NR)
Does your $60 price also include shipping? And is the drive a full height
drive?If the price includes shipping I might be interested.Please let
me know and see ya later.
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RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88995)
From: COCOKIWI To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
one thing that can cause ..that is not enough room in the 64k System memory.
Format needs at least 10k of memory! Moving CC3GO into H/Disk or Disk will
give one more memory! If you have not done this ..do it! and all will be well!
Dennis
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89027 2-AUG 22:37 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88994)
From: MDALENE To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
there is SOOO much you can do. I have debated switching to another system
>but i just don't see one out there that can do the smooth multitasking os9
>does. Even the newest IBM machines just don't do it right. Ive seen 486
>systems bogged down running three programs. But the CoCo still does what I
>need to do and to me thats enough
I have seen that as well, Yet, There is some Nice stuff on those
unINTELegent Boxes. I use one for Logging into Delphi as Supercomm cannot
fully use my US Robotics 9600 baud modem. This baby flies at 9600/V.42bis!
My terminal is set for 38,400. Running Telix 3.15, I use the older one as my
XT and I HATE that newer version.
Since my machine is only a 8088 8mhz 640K box running Ms-dog 5.0. I
cannot get os-9000 for it, Bummer....
Someone should contact the author of the Ms-dos program called LIST and
port that to os9/68k or os9/9000 or even Os9 Level 2 as that program is
Awsome! Works a little like VU 1.1 but has many more options massaging
files, such as Marking sections of text. Copying those to disk or printer.
Finding sections and oodles of other neat stuff. But I use my Coco 3 for
almost everything else as it works good. Its Dyncalc more than meets my
needs, Profile could be improved a bit but it is a good database. Simply
better in RSdos is what I use for Major term papers or my book. VI is
prefered for Os9 hacking ;)
Michele Marie Dalene
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89040 3-AUG 03:22 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 89027)
From: ISC To: MDALENE (NR)
Michele,
I agree with most of what you said, but my preferences are just a little
different on my CoCo. I prefer Color Profile in RSB for my database
because it permits subrecords for tracking changing data like service
calls to my customers. With subrecords, I have a history of my customer
activities. I use OS-9 Dynacalc for all of my billing and WPShel or
Max-10 for wordprocessing. I use V-Term or Supercomm for communication,
but I have a DOS box on order for CD-ROM stuff and heavy graphics.
Bill
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89009 2-AUG 03:30 General Information
RE: New Conference(Ideas Welcome) (Re: Msg 88914)
From: JEVESTAL To: CPERRAULT
> I have been toying with the idea of starting up a weekly or bi-
> weekly Sunday night conference and am interested in some input as far
> as who would be interested in attending and what kind of conference
> are you interested in? I want to start one up and I have plenty of
> ideas that I want to try out, but to do them all I would probably have
> to host about 3 or 4 conferences.
> Here's what I have in mind so far<beside brain cells<G>:
I would be interested, but Sunday night is not my best night. How about
a Monday or Wednesday night conf?
Jim
ld like to get at least two of them going since #4
> and a programming type conference is really needed here<things are
> getting too stagnant>.If anyone wants to host one of their own, let's
> hear it. Once things are worked out I can start schedualling stuff :-)
>
> See Ya
> >Chris<
>
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89018 2-AUG 21:13 General Information
RE: New Conference(Ideas Welcome) (Re: Msg 88992)
From: CPERRAULT To: EDELMAR
>> This would be no different than personal meetings, phone calls
and letters. Such 'meetings' could alsos be held on CIS, GENIE, AOL,
FIDO, at your home, at the local school, etc. Does the fact that
members call me and/or the other officers and directors mean others
are being snubbed? <<
Absolutely not. I agree for the most part. The only thing that I
felt MIGHT make a difference is that many members may not have access
to the online world whereas most anyone can use a telephone or mail a
snail mail letter. I think that the lack of access is somewhat a thing
of a past since, if you have a computer, there are plenty of
afforodable services/bulletin boards. This rings even more true if you
run OS-9. I think most OS-9 users are online SOMEWHERE, if they wanna
stay in touch.
>>The need for an 'official online home' for the UG has been
discussed at several BOD meetings. Nothing concrete has resulted from
these discussions.<<
Geeze, your already giving me ideas for future conference
discussions<grin>.
Thanks for the feedback.
>Chris<
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89030 2-AUG 23:55 General Information
RE: New Conference(Ideas Welcome) (Re: Msg 89006)
From: REVWCP To: JOELHEGBERG
Dear Joel:
I agree with the need for the Users Group to be more visible on Delphi. For
that matter, I don't understand why we are not listed in Computer Shopper.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 Users Group Treasurer
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89031 2-AUG 23:57 General Information
RE: New Conference(Ideas Welcome) (Re: Msg 89009)
From: REVWCP To: JEVESTAL
I vote for either Monday or Wednesday, I work on Sundays.....
With all best wishes'
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 Users Group Treasurer
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89035 3-AUG 00:47 General Information
RE: New Conference(Ideas Welcome) (Re: Msg 89031)
From: KSCALES To: REVWCP (NR)
> I vote for either Monday or Wednesday, I work on Sundays.....
But I thought that was supposed to be the day of rest????
<grins>... / Ken
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89010 2-AUG 03:31 General Information
RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88965)
From: JEVESTAL To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Not to worry people who still use CoCos. Watch for my notice later
> on in this forum. I still support the Color Computer and OS-9 Level II.
I too also support OS-9 Level 2 for the CoCo. I have nothing
against OS-9 and OS-9000 and hope to one day own a machine that
would run them, but for the time being my only machine is the CoCo
and don't plan to give it up anytime soon. It meets my needs, now if
only they had fax software and reliable rs232 for high speed I would be
set.
In time, I'm sure.
Jim Vestal/09-Online Systems
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89011 2-AUG 03:33 Telecom (6809)
RE: VT100 emulation (Re: Msg 88920)
From: JEVESTAL To: CPERRAULT
> Well I know there is KB-Com from Eddie Kuns(here in the database) which
> is supposed to work pretty well and a stand alone VT100
> protocol also here in the database which can be run as an extension of
> Supercomm or any other program<or alone>.
Supercomm 2.3 beta has some support for vt100, but alot of systems
still does not work with it (telnet'g out from Delphi or irc, etc...).
But the program, vt100 does support vt100 and vt220 etc, but it has
no built-in features such as capture buffer (log data to file) etc.
If I need VT100 AND capture buffer than I will use KB-Com... KB-Com's
screen update is so slow though, especally at 4800 baud, it drives
me insane sometimes.
Jim
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
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| Delphi: JEVestal@delphi.com
Marysville, CA InterNet: JEVestal@narnia.wa.com
| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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89012 2-AUG 05:41 General Information
lotus1-2-3 files on os9
From: ALAIN1155 To: ALL
Hi Guys,
i have a batch of lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet files that i tried to load with
dynacalc but everytime it returned wrong format error. Is there any way to make
those files compatable with os9 and dynacalc
thanks
alain
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89017 2-AUG 21:07 General Information
RE: lotus1-2-3 files on os9 (Re: Msg 89012)
From: MRGOOD To: ALAIN1155
The Lotus 123 file format has absolutely nothing in common with
Dynacalc's format. The only way I can imagine importing is via
ascii. The manual also describes a method for making text files
readable to Dynacalc. Take a look.
Hugo
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89028 2-AUG 22:39 General Information
RE: lotus1-2-3 files on os9 (Re: Msg 89017)
From: MDALENE To: MRGOOD (NR)
>The Lotus 123 file format has absolutely nothing in common with
>Dynacalc's format. The only way I can imagine importing is via
>ascii. The manual also describes a method for making text files
>readable to Dynacalc. Take a look.
In the Phantomgraph package there is a utility to convert from the SYLK
standard which I believe Lotus 123 uses to Dynacalc format. but it does not
convert TO SYLK. only from. But it may help this person with their problem
Michele Marie Dalene
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89033 3-AUG 00:38 General Information
RE: lotus1-2-3 files on os9 (Re: Msg 89012)
From: MROWEN01 To: ALAIN1155
I can't say that I have done much with 1-2-3, but I have used Symphony
and dynacalc together with little problem. I store my files in SYLK format
from Symphony and I can load them from Dynacalc. I also use eXclaim under
UNIX which will read and write in sylk format. MS-Excel may also support this
functionality. If you can find one that will write in sylk format, you will
most likely beable to save in 1-2-3 format. I used to use a spreadsheet
to design broadband cable systems. This is why I needed to transport data
to and from home.
-Mike Rowen
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89044 3-AUG 05:26 General Information
RE: lotus1-2-3 files on os9 (Re: Msg 89033)
From: ALAIN1155 To: MROWEN01 (NR)
Thanks for the tip, i'll try it
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End of Thread.
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89013 2-AUG 18:48 General Information
Wall Street Journal, April
From: BERGMANN To: ALL
I don't know if this has been posted here before or not, but I just found
a newspaper clipping from April, that I had intended to post but lost.
It's from the WALL STREET JOURNAL, April 21, 1994. Here are some
excerpts:
"FIVE TECHNOLOGY CONCERNS TO COOPERATE
"ON INTERACTIVE-VIDEO SYSTEM STANDARDS"
"Five technology companies formed what may be the first alliance to
offer a soup-to-nuts system for interactive video networks, hoping to
take the lead in shaping emerging industry standards.
"The consortium, consisting largely of cable-industry insiders, could
challenge General Instrument Corp., which may have the best chance
of imposing one key standard because it dominates the TV-set-top-box
market.
"The five companies -- Digital Equipment Corp., BroadBand Technologies
Inc., Compression Labs Inc., Microware Systems Corp., and Philips
Consumer Electronics Co. -- are joining at a time of much uncertainty
about how the vast array of interactive equipment will work together.
Various pieces are being developed by myriad companies, and there
isn't any guarantee the parts will be compatible.
" ..... Among the five firms, Broadband, Raleigh, N.C., makes equipment
that sends video and phone calls to homes over fiber-optic lines.
Compression Labs, San Jose, Calif., makes equipment that 'compresses'
digital video signals. Digital, the big minicomputer maker based in
Maynard, Mass., is working on computers that store digital video.
Microware, Des Moines, Iowa, makes software for TV-set-top control
boxes, such as those made by Philips, a unit of Philips NV of the
Netherlands.:
Interesting, huh?
--- Dean
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89014 2-AUG 20:06 General Information
RE: help (Re: Msg 88996)
From: SROTTINGER To: SAUSAGESAM
Rlogin should be a standard network utility under UNIX. I'm not sure what
option to use to get it to do 8 bit transfer, and I'm not sure if it will
work with Delphi. The best thing to do is bring up a man page on it, find out
the option, and try it. A friend of mine does UUCP transfers this way, and it
works great. Telnet never works.
-Steve
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89022 2-AUG 22:00 General Information
RE: help (Re: Msg 89014)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: SROTTINGER (NR)
for some reason when I try using rlogin, it just says "permission denied"..
that's real nice!!!
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End of Thread.
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89015 2-AUG 21:03 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 89002)
From: WDTV5 To: WA2EGP
Not true for EMF's? Are we getting into AC and impedances here? Its been
so long since I really did study up on that stuffs I'm ashamed (also nearing
social security time). I still use the addition and ratios to trouble
shoot quit often, but they have been second nature since the late 40's to
early 50's. I don't have a degree from anyplace but the University of Hard
Knocks over in Phillipi WV, aka Alderson-Broadus College. Thats a strictly
honarary type degree, for folks who've made it anyway.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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89016 2-AUG 21:06 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 89005)
From: WDTV5 To: JOHNREED
Yeah, John, but that was to compensate for the extra delays the color
demodulator circuitry had, not for our group delay corrections. We have
in fact, an FCC spec for our monitoring demodulator, and that spec is a
very precisely defined STANDARD TV! Oh, even with modern solid state tv's,
that delay in the luminance channel is still there someplace, not always
in an obvious location.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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89029 2-AUG 23:11 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 89015)
From: WA2EGP To: WDTV5 (NR)
Yep, any kind of magnetic field that is generated creates a "back" EMF. All
ya need is a finite length wire although a coil really makes it apparent.
Actually you can just use the addition for most applications, unless you are
really picky (grin). I've
played with electronics since high school but have
a degree in biology. Just another example of the lack of guidance in high
school and college.
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89043 3-AUG 04:54 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 89029)
From: COCOKIWI To: WA2EGP (NR)
interesting stuff<grin>...I,m about to KILL our local Cable TV..they moved
channel 13 to another channel,BUT channel 13 is so strong here it gets into
what is ON channel 13,so now one can hardly see what is on! you would think
they would not be able to do that!<grin>
Dennis
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End of Thread.
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89019 2-AUG 21:13 Applications (6809)
RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88997)
From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING (NR)
>> Wonder if he'll keep selling IX or if someone else will take
over?<<
Bill will probably be selling it himself, unless another vendor
steps in I guess.
>Chris<
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89020 2-AUG 21:13 Programmers Den
RE: New programming trouble (Re: Msg 89001)
From: CPERRAULT To: DBREEDING (NR)
>>Mmmmmm, if you have Shell+, don't think you will even need the
quotes at all,....<<
That only applies to the command line. Remember, I'm still inside
Basic09 when I do this. :-)
>Chris<
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89021 2-AUG 21:57 Telecom (6809)
9600 Baud
From: KENTMH To: ALL
I have just upgraded my modem to 14.4k and am having problems communicating
at 9600 baud. I have included SACIA patched with the SuperComm IPATCH for
hi speed operation with an MPI in my boot module, along with VRN, and while
downloads are fine, I am losing characters to the screen. I tried the
hardware fix for my Orion RS232 Pak tying pin 5 to true (-12V) but that
resulted in a blown 1489 chip. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Kent
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89023 2-AUG 22:03 Telecom (6809)
RE: 9600 Baud (Re: Msg 89021)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: KENTMH
I can't even use 4800 baud under os9. I have to use ultimaterm with the
port set at 19,2k baud to call in anywhere at 14.4k baud. there's no carrier
loss or anything.. It's kinda sad I cant get it working under os9 because I
think OS9 rules!!
Ahhhhh, up above where i said there7s no "carrier loss or anything", I
MEANT to say, there's no "character loss or anything".. Oops. I'm
really really tired!
cya
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89024 2-AUG 22:27 Games & Graphics
RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88983)
From: DSRTFOX To: ISC
I don't think running a non-boosted 6309 would be a problem, but you could
try it, I guess.
The Shanghai patch may need to run from its own disk or something strange
like that. Do you have any other processes running when you run Shanghai
without MV? Could be that MV takes up to many system resources....
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89037 3-AUG 01:54 Games & Graphics
RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 89024)
From: MMCCLELLAND To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Make sure that you have enough available windows, too. Shanghai needs either 4
stem memory. Good luck!
-=Mark=-
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End of Thread.
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89025 2-AUG 22:30 System Modules (6809)
RE: Making a new boot disk from scratch (Re: Msg 88999)
From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING (NR)
Thanks for the suggestions anyway!
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89026 2-AUG 22:32 System Modules (6809)
RE: Making a new boot disk from scratch (Re: Msg 88984)
From: DSRTFOX To: ISC
Thanks! I haven't used MODPATCH yet, good a time as any to try it! Really
haven't
had to until now....
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89039 3-AUG 03:14 System Modules (6809)
RE: Making a new boot disk from scratch (Re: Msg 89026)
From: ISC To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Frank,
Modpatch is not documented in the OS-9 manual, so be careful. I only know
3 commands for Modpatch, "L" (link), "c" (change) and "v" (verify). Of
course, "v" should always be your last command if you want to avoid 232
errors. Exit from modpatch with an eof command (CTRL+BREAK
Good luck. The worst that can happen is you'll ruin a bootable disk.
Start with a scratch disk if you are unsure.
Bill
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89042 3-AUG 04:35 System Modules (6809)
RE: Making a new boot disk from scratch (Re: Msg 89039)
From: COCOKIWI To: ISC (NR)
It is in the development system manual!
for your file<grin>......
MODPATCH
Syntax: MODPATCH [options] filename [options]
Function: Modifies Modules residing in memory
Parameters: Filename name of file....instructions for Modpatch!
options changes functions in Modpatch
options:
-s Silent Mode,NO display of patch command lines!
-w Does Not display Warnings,if any!
-c Compare only! NO change in Module
Create patchfile............single letter commands.....
l modulename LINK to module
c offset orgval newval change byte at offset,from ORGVAL to
NEWVAL.....if ORGVAL not same
as offset value,you will get Message
v VERIFY CRC if you save module you MUST use this!
To RESET CRC values to the NEW CRC...
m MASK IRQ,s turns off Irq requests<for patching
<service routines>
u UNMASK IRQ,s reverse of above
Offset always starts at 0 ......
Put this in your file!same for others who do not have this!OK!
Dennis
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End of Thread.
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89032 3-AUG 00:20 OSK Applications
Ghostscript
From: KSCALES To: JOHNREED (NR)
Hi, John -
Looking for words here... the only one that comes to mind is: WOW!
After installing a new hard drive, I finally had the space to install
Ghostscript on my system. (Remember we copied all of the files onto
Colin's hard drive at the Fest? I did get your "gs2" update, tho.)
Tonight, I decided to try printing off some slides from work for a meeting
tomorrow.
It took about 11 minutes per page, but the quality on my Citizen GSX-140+
was excellent! (I was using the "epsonc" driver, just in case there was
some colour in the files, but there wasn't. I also have a basic ATM
font set. On my 68070...)
Many thanks for all of the effort you have invested in porting this
package. Now I just have to convince Darleen that I really do need
more MIPS, more than we need that new chesterfield...
Cheers... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
-- Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress --
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89034 3-AUG 00:47 General Information
File xfer
From: MROWEN01 To: SAUSAGESAM
You finally got onto a UNIX machine eh? I have never logged onto
Delphi direct over the internet. I usually use uuencode on a file and then
mail it over the internet. I don't know if you can do that the way your
connecting in.
FTP is usually the way to grab files over the internet. To my knowledge,
Delphi is strictly a VAX/VMS environment. Delphi calls the shots on what they
make available on the Internet (like no rlogin or ftp server). Check with
the service group for better info. Rlogin is not as popular on non-unix systems,
Rlogin in my experience is less secure and was a.
>YUCK<
It's less secure and was a Berkeley extension. I like rlogin and rsh and the
pc thing, but they're less common on non-unix systems.
-Mike
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89036 3-AUG 01:04 General Information
RE: File xfer (Re: Msg 89034)
From: SAUSAGESAM To: MROWEN01 (NR)
what's uuencode and ho do ya use it?
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End of Thread.
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89038 3-AUG 02:09 Applications (6809)
RE: undelete (Re: Msg 89003)
From: MMCCLELLAND To: WA2EGP (NR)
Yes, there is an undel for the CoCo in the Sys Modules Database. It comes with
a patch for RBF, too.
-=Mark=-
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89041 3-AUG 03:24 Applications (6809)
RE: undelete (Re: Msg 89038)
From: ISC To: MMCCLELLAND
It works fine, too!
Bill
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End of Thread.
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89045 3-AUG 05:31 General Information
rma assembly language
From: ALAIN1155 To: ALL
Just got my hand on the OS-9 development system. Tried to use RMA to enter some
listing but i cannot understand the method to use to asemble the final version.
Can anyone explain the procedure to me and is there a manual other than the
development manual t
o learn using RMA
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89381 18-AUG 19:06 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89336)
From: CPERRAULT To: JOELHEGBERG
>>Okay, I'll try and make it.<<
You BETTER, or you'll find the 2nd conferences' topic...
"101 Ways to Skin a Sub-Etha Programmer" ;-)
>Chris<
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89384 18-AUG 19:07 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89341)
From: CPERRAULT To: REVWCP
You got it Brother Jeremy...I'll be there complete with halo! :-
)
>Chris<
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89385 18-AUG 19:07 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89343)
From: CPERRAULT To: REVWCP
>>Is that 10:00 pm eastern time, I live in Wisconsin.<<
Yes, Eastern time. Sorry about that. I keep forgetting I'm not
the only time zone in the world<grin>.
>Chris<
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End of Thread.
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89382 18-AUG 19:06 General Information
RE: Compilor Video Magazine (Re: Msg 89337)
From: CPERRAULT To: JOELHEGBERG
>>Allen Huffman (of Sub-Etha) always teases me about my need for
flashy graphics and title screens, but they are what make programming
fun and it's what I believe users look for.<<
That's true. Being a Coco User, I've seen plenty of excellent
programs that lack the fancy graphics, but like you said, they do make
a difference in the personal computing world.
>Chris<
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89383 18-AUG 19:07 General Information
RE: Compilor Video Magazine (Re: Msg 89338)
From: CPERRAULT To: MROWEN01
>>I would be interested in seeing this video magazine issue that
featured the MM/1 and other stuff.<<
Well, you are on the right service :-)
>>How can I aquire a copy of this issue (which issue is it?)?<<
Just send some E-Mail to Dave Pellerito whose username is
Digigrade asking about it, if he hasn't seen your message yet. It is
very inexpensive for one Back issue. I heavily recommend it myself.
>Chris<
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End of Thread.
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89386 18-AUG 19:07 Games & Graphics
Allen Huffman's Maze Demo
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
I recently downloaded Allen Huffmans Maze demo which is a
generator to make developing maze style games easier. The first thing
that popped in my head was..."Boy would it be nice to have a Dungeons
of Daggorath part 3, this time on OS-9". Really, the demo looks neat,
and I think the Coco is due for another sequel to perhaps the greatest
game Tandy ever made for the Coco. :-)
>Chris<
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89403 19-AUG 00:00 Games & Graphics
RE: Allen Huffman's Maze Demo (Re: Msg 89386)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: CPERRAULT (NR)
Ah so you liked Dungeons of Daggorath too eh? I wasn't impressed with the
sequal "castles of thaggorad" but I would like to see a new DOD game.
But my all time favorite that I would love to see on os9 is polaris
(missile command) thats always been my game, even bought a trackball for it!
<Mike
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End of Thread.
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89387 18-AUG 20:09 OSK Applications
MM/1 System For Sale
From: ERNIEWITHERS To: ALL
If anyone's interested, I will have my 3 meg. MM/1 Extended system for sale
at the Atlanta Fest. The system is housed in an IMS case/power supply and
includes one 3-1/2" high density floppy drive, /t3, Microware manuals, the
HD boot ROMS (though I always have to boot from floppy to get a successful
boot), and a genuine Logitech Series 9 mouse. Currently installed on the
system is a 245 meg MAXTOR hard drive. I don't really want to sell the hard
drive but I could if you want it. Included is the MM/1 Technical Manual,
VED/68000 2.0, VPRINT, VMAIL, BGFX, Mike Haaland's Desktop, EthaGUI, DynaStar,
DynaForm, Write Right, Zapper, FBU from FHL, Variations of Solitaire from
ColorSystems, and TasCom from CoCoPro. All software includes original disks
and manuals. If you want the hard drive, it contains many, many public domain
utilities and programs for OSK and the MM/1.
I also have several different OS9/6809 programs and utilities for sale.
Included are ColorWare's DataMaster with update for Level II and DynaMite+
disassembler for OS9, FLEX, and RSDOS. I used DynaMite many years ago to
disassemble OS9 Profile and "repair" the check for a Color Computer because
I was using a WordPak II and the stock program wouldn't run. I was also
able to disassemble the Thexeder ROM pak and patch it to run from disk.
Though I won't be using OS9/68000 any longer, I will still be playing around
with OS-9000 on one of the '486 machines I own.
If you are interested in buying the system, leave me EMail. If I don't get
any responses, I probably won't be going to the 'fest.
Ernest Withers.
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89388 18-AUG 20:11 General Information
MM/1 System For Sale
From: ERNIEWITHERS To: ALL
If anyone's interested, I will have my 3 meg. MM/1 Extended system for sale
at the Atlanta Fest. The system is housed in an IMS case/power supply and
includes one 3-1/2" high density floppy drive, /t3, Microware manuals, the
HD boot ROMS (though I always have to boot from floppy to get a successful
boot), and a genuine Logitech Series 9 mouse. Currently installed on the
system is a 245 meg MAXTOR hard drive. I don't really want to sell the hard
drive but I could if you want it. Included is the MM/1 Technical Manual,
VED/68000 2.0, VPRINT, VMAIL, BGFX, Mike Haaland's Desktop, EthaGUI, DynaStar,
DynaForm, Write Right, Zapper, FBU from FHL, Variations of Solitaire from
ColorSystems, and TasCom from CoCoPro. All software includes original disks
and manuals. If you want the hard drive, it contains many, many public domain
utilities and programs for OSK and the MM/1.
I also have several different OS9/6809 programs and utilities for sale.
Included are ColorWare's DataMaster with update for Level II and DynaMite+
disassembler for OS9, FLEX, and RSDOS. I used DynaMite many years ago to
disassemble OS9 Profile and "repair" the check for a Color Computer because
I was using a WordPak II and the stock program wouldn't run. I was also
able to disassemble the Thexeder ROM pak and patch it to run from disk.
Though I won't be using OS9/68000 any longer, I will still be playing around
with OS-9000 on one of the '486 machines I own.
If you are interested in buying the system, leave me EMail. If I don't get
any responses, I probably won't be going to the 'fest.
Ernest Withers.
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89389 18-AUG 20:31 General Information
Hard Drive
From: MICHAELJN To: ALL
Can someone tell me if I can use a Olivetti Hard Drive model number
HD 563/12 on the Coco? If so, could you please tell me the specs.
Out of all the info I have for Hard Drives, I don't have any for this model.
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89401 18-AUG 23:57 General Information
RE: Hard Drive (Re: Msg 89389)
From: MROWEN01 To: MICHAELJN (NR)
I'm not at home right now, so I can't look it up. If noone has given you
this info before me, I should be able to get back to you by Saturday night
and let you know.
en
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End of Thread.
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89390 18-AUG 20:43 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 89378)
From: MRGOOD To: MMCCLELLAND
From past messages I've read here and elsewhere, VGA is not possible
on the MM1.
Hugo
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89404 19-AUG 00:37 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 89378)
From: NIMITZ To: MMCCLELLAND
Mark, the MM/1 has VGA range resolution. 720 x 540. in 256 colors.
(actually, it is considered by some to be low-range SVGA.)
David M. Graham
BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
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89411 19-AUG 05:17 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 89404)
From: MMCCLELLAND To: NIMITZ (NR)
So, does this mean that GWindows will run on it? That was basically why I was
asking. I want to buy an OSK system, but first I need to make sure that it
will run what I want it to.
-=Mark=- (KE6JKS)
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End of Thread.
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89391 18-AUG 21:36 OSK Applications
RE: rz vs. odd filenames (Re: Msg 89373)
From: JOHNREED To: JEJONES
> It looks like the rz that I have is edition #24, w/CRC A43BF7. Question:
> does it look for characters in incoming file names that OS-9 doesn't like
> and turn them into something OS-9 does like (e.g. underscore)? I guess I
James,
I am ALMOST certain that rz (same version and CRC) has done that for
me when downloading. Some of those UNIX types love to put hyphens
in filenames. It used to drive me (and "tar") nuts when they stashed
a couple "illegal" names in the middle of a tar archive too, but
"gtar" handles that now.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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89410 19-AUG 01:44 OSK Applications
RE: rz vs. odd filenames (Re: Msg 89391)
From: MITHELEN To: JOHNREED (NR)
Yep.. it should clean up file names well enough so they don't choke
OS-9...
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89392 18-AUG 22:07 General Information
RE: parallel port (Re: Msg 89297)
From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: JEJONES
Well, I have his "Full Turn of the Screw" book and it does
does have the project you describe in it. I need the project that
uses a PIA piggybacked onto a PIA on the coco motherboard. My MPI is
full (flopy controller, B&B cocoxt rtc, 2 RS232 packs).
Thanks,
Wayne
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89393 18-AUG 22:11 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 89072)
From: WDTV5 To: NIMITZ
Great! Too bad I can't put that "Tony the Tiger" accent on it in print!
Cheers, Gene
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89394 18-AUG 22:17 Programmers Den
RE: shareware stuffs (Re: Msg 89074)
From: WDTV5 To: MMCCLELLAND
Yes I have, but years back. And only dbl sided, no plated thru holes stuffs.
Did some nice work at the time, but that was in the '60's! I have a helper
who does that stuffs for me now, at about the same level of expertise most
of the time. Good enough for onzies-tenzies type stuff we need at the
station now. I used 4x artwork, positive resist that we sprayed and dried
ourselves, and an old DEA spray etcher with ferric chloride. Super precise
work at the time, but production lines in taiwan beat it now in 100k piece
quotes. I could go on, but this is boring some I expect. Cheers, Gene
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89395 18-AUG 22:21 Telecom (6809)
RE: Need more speed! (Re: Msg 89075)
From: WDTV5 To: MMCCLELLAND
The problem is the lack of hardware handshking I expect. First, wire ALL
the mpi sockets together at pin 8 to carry the IRQ's thru. Then, it may be
that the converted modem pack doesn't have all the signals. They can be
juryrigged in if you can get to somebody who has a schematic for the deluxe
232 pack, just dup anything thats not in yours. Minimum connections are to
pins 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-20. Check the schematic for names and functions.
Cheers, Gene
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89399 18-AUG 23:24 Telecom (6809)
RE: Need more speed! (Re: Msg 89395)
From: CHARLESAM To: WDTV5 (NR)
Gene, is wiring pin 8 on all the mpi sockets, a standard hack? I never did
this but then I haven't had much telecom problems of late. If this is SOP,
then I'll heat up the soldering iron. Charlie
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89396 18-AUG 22:22 General Information
RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 89374)
From: FHOGG To: ALL
Please note that the number in #89374 was incorrect. The phone number I mean.
I have changed it to correct it. It now reads 315/469-7364.
Thanks
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89402 18-AUG 23:58 General Information
RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 89374)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: FHOGG (NR)
Concerning the 6809 version you have left, exactly what would I be able to
do with it? How much of scuptor is there in the package?
Mike
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89397 18-AUG 22:24 General Information
RE: rma assembly language (Re: Msg 89076)
From: WDTV5 To: ALAIN1155
I'm going to store this one for offline purusal. Oh, and rma doesn't
normally use a "defs" file, thats for the regular "asm" assembler. Those
"defs" are all in the includes, the .h files that are normally used with
the C compiler. Later, and Cheers, Gene
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89412 19-AUG 05:35 General Information
RE: rma assembly language (Re: Msg 89397)
From: ALAIN1155 To: WDTV5 (NR)
Thanks, i will wait for the answer
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89398 18-AUG 23:10 General Information
'68 Micros'
From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR)
BTW Frank, congrads on a successful year with '68 Micros'. One of the best
invests I've made for my Coco. Best Wishes for continued success. Charlie
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89400 18-AUG 23:49 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live (Re: Msg 89377)
From: MROWEN01 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I know that I can get some really low cost OSK systems. Unfortunately,
I'm up to my neck with medical bills. I may be able to move up in late 95.
We'll see. Until then, I will keep moving with my Coco 3. I read the last
issue with envy, believe me. I've had to fight to keep my Delphi access in
the budget. I appreciate your concern however and taking the time to point
me to these low cost systems. Thanks :)
Mike
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89405 19-AUG 01:05 General Information
OS-9 Source Book - Independent version
From: NIMITZ To: ALL
Folks, Tome Farrel (Delphi - TMF) is gathering information for an new OS-9
Source Book. As the Microware version is relatively unavailable, this
seems a very good idea to me. If you publish software - or supply hardware,
Please supply Tom with the information needed to make this a success!
Tom Farrel
660 El Passo BLVD
Denver, CO 80221
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89407 19-AUG 01:26 General Information
I/O board for mm/1
From: RGT To: NIMITZ
Still want that I/o Board!! and some kinda software catolog for mm/1.
And the latest news on the I/O Board like : cost and money down. thanks
RGT
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89408 19-AUG 01:38 General Information
RE: Atlanta Fest (Re: Msg 89375)
From: MITHELEN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I may take you up on that offer 8-) Have to see how my $$$ situation is
at fest time... I just spent a LOT of money upgrading SandV.
Speaking of which... I may not be on Delphi much in the next few days
while I'm resetting up my system. Lots of stuff to recompile.
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89409 19-AUG 01:41 General Information
RE: OSUG (Re: Msg 89358)
From: MITHELEN To: KSCALES (NR)
Thanks Ken... For thenext day or two, mail sent to/through sandv may be
backed up for a bit, while I get my new hardware/software all set up
I actually just finished compileing Taylor UUCP, so, might be able to
get transfers going tomarrow...
--
Paul
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89413 19-AUG 05:39 General Information
multivue
From: ALAIN1155 To: PHILSCHERER (NR)
Phil,
tried to add dir /DD to the end of the original startup file of the multivue
master disk, still the same the directory print on screen then multivue is
loaded
Alain
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89548 25-AUG 20:47 General Information
RE: For Sale (Re: Msg 89492)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MITHELEN
Paul:
> Ya.. but, for an OSK system, at least right now, people are just using
> them for developement purposes, or maybe a a data devie for a BBS, or to
> play audio CD's... Single speed drives are suficient for these purposes.
> and can be picked up dirt cheep.
>
Let me know if you see any double or triple speed internal drives. I
might as well upgrade if I get an internal.
And thanks for the termcap!
Chris
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89549 25-AUG 21:48 General Information
RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89539)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MRUPGRADE
Terry:
I was staying out of this as you had (but not HEARD!!) the answer many
times from many people!
>........
> I wqas just asking what support an OS-9'er could expect from th e OSUG.
>
> Sorry it it's upsetting question. Youo and many others in the UG are
>................
>................
> I think I've gotten th e answer. I should encourage OS-9'ers to
> join,, then support themsleves. That's clear enough.
join,, then support EACH OTHER !!!!!!!
--------------------------------------
Chris
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89551 25-AUG 23:07 General Information
RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89517)
From: DSRTFOX To: MRUPGRADE
Terry, the point is that currently the OSK people are putting in most of the
work. They are the ones more actively INVOLVED in the group, that's why there
is a bit more OSK support. As long as there are a good deal of OS-9 members
in the group, there will be as much OS-9 support. But the OS-9 users have
to be ACTIVE AND INVOLVED in order to obtain a higher level of support.
Period! If more of your people didn't let you know they WANTED more OS-9,
then you wouldn't have it for them either, would you?
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89550 25-AUG 21:48 General Information
RE: CDROM reader (Re: Msg 89538)
From: HAWKSOFT To: TEDJAEGER
Ted:
> I'm on the verge of getting a CDROM reader for my MM1 but also have
> a Mac Color Classic with which I would like the drive to work. As a
> result I am contemplating an external SCSI drive and have grabbed the
> cable description posted by HAWKSOFT. Figure I would get an extra
> MAC SCSI cable and sacrifice it to make moving the drive back and
> forth easy. My question is this: I've heard reports of guys using
> a single speed SCSI SCROM reader on the MM1 but have not heard of
> anyone using a double speed. Will a double speed one work on the MM1
> given current software? Thanks for the info.
I hope that this was caused by your not perusing the info yet. The MAC
SCSI gets NO modification! You simply build a cable that connects to the
internal type (50 dual inline pin) connector on one end and to the MAC SCSI
25 pin connector on the other. Let me know if the directions are not clear
and I'll revise.
Chris
BTW, as I understand it, the dual, triple, or quad speeds are from the disc
to the player and have nothing to do with the speed from the player to the
computer. That is determined by the SCSI buss (which is still alot faster
than the quad speed reading.
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89569 27-AUG 12:25 General Information
RE: CDROM reader (Re: Msg 89550)
From: TEDJAEGER To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
Thanks for the info, Chris. I understood the cable instructions fine but
had no knowledge of how (if) the higher speed CDROMs would work with
the MM1. Your indication that the speed enhancement is between the
disc and the reader clears it up for me. So ... your Virtual CD player
software should work with double and triple speed drives, right?
Assuming so, you'll be getting an order from me shortly!
Bests
---TedJaeger
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89552 25-AUG 23:16 General Information
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89505)
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
Digby is indeed still going at it! I have made him an offer of becoming
a US rep for the Amiga version of OS-9. The main problems are 1) the cost
will still be around $600, and 2) the current version only supports the 68000
and (possibly) the 68010, but NOT the 68020 and higher... those processors
require a different kernal and license! Any 68020 version would be higher
priced, but is a future consideration. It would also have C+ instead of
the K&R C package though.
I'm still waiting to hear from Digby on that issue, but will be reporting on
the Amiga version (possibly with a review of a loaner copy!) in the next
few months.
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89553 25-AUG 23:17 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live (Re: Msg 89542)
From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING (NR)
The curent issue of 68'micros is the August issue, and is avialable as a
back issue for $4. Let me know if you need one!
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89554 25-AUG 23:24 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89507)
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
Chris, when this system was developed, I was basically an "RS-DOS crossover"
myself. The only way I knew to make a boot disk at all was with CONFIG.
If a DECB user is relatively knowledgeable about the workings hardware-wise
of the CoCo, and can tell whether he even has double sided drives or not,
can easily set the system up. You know who had the most trouble running the
patches? Experienced OS-9 users! They failed to follow the instructions in
the text file on disk!! Inexperienced and novice users rarely had problems
after they got their drives set so they could read/print the text files on
disk. And I only had to talk to a few to get that part done. The experienced
guys were ignoring the plea to use their ORIGINAL (backups of!!) TANDY DISKS!!
Problem is that if you error trap for all possibilities, you end up with
a lot of slow code! So the deal is you run the auto-patch routine on a
vanilla set so that all CRCs and such are known, then reinstall any extra
patches you might have.. if any. Those guys would try running on a patched
system disk nearly every time!!!
;>
(if all else fails, and ONLY then... read (and follow) directions....)
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89566 27-AUG 04:06 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89507)
From: JEVESTAL To: CPERRAULT (NR)
> I agree, Rick sure made it a pretty bulked up setup. I think what
> gets me is, he assumed that both floppy drives are 5 1/4" when mine 5
> 1/4" for /d0 and 3 1/2" for /d1. I know, I can just copy the
> respective disks to the one with the proper format and take it from
> there. The problem is I think we will be aiming to get these into the
> hands of Rsdos Crossovers, who will NOT have an easy time at this.
> Hopefully it will be setup in the future to take Disk formats in
> consideration<especially when the boot disk winds up in /d1 at the
> end of the process if I remember correctly>.
>
> >>Maybe a conference of "PatchOS-9... The OS-9 Upgrade?" could
> be scedualed?<<
>
> Sure, why not? I'll get back to ya when it does get shedualed<I'm
> still sketchy on what the second and third conferences are going to
> be>.
That would be ok, I have the latest version of PatchOS-9 for review
in the OS-9 Underground.
Concerning Monday nights: I just start back at college and I think my
Monday afternoon class has an evening lab with it, if so I won't be
home in time for the conferance! This really is sad since I was
one of the people who wanted to move it from Sunday to Monday. But
I'll keep you posted, I know our lecture/pre-production meeting is
Monday at 3:00 pm (Pacific), if we can get out of there by 5 or 6
I can then make the conf, but if our production labs are at 7 or
8pm then I won't be home until probably 10pm! So unless the conferance
continues to 1 am (Eastern) then I'm out of luck! I want to serious
about this conferance too. Since I think that OS-9 programmers of
all levels should interact with each other on a live basis. I know
that I can learn alot about C by hanging around others who use it
regularly and I know that others can learn from my Basic09 and Pascal09
experiance.
Jim
======================== InfoXpress 01.01.00 OS-9/6809 ======================
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----|---- StG network: sysop@Narnia "Exclusively OS-9"
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| or : JEVestal@citrus.sac.ca.us
(916) 743-2617 Voice: 7am-11pm PDT :1 Corinthians 1:18 & Romans 1:16
=============================================================================
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"Magazine dedicated to OS-9/OSK Users Everywhere
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89555 25-AUG 23:25 Programmers Den
RE: System Calls(??????) (Re: Msg 89511)
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
Chris, when you get this all figured out, write it down in simple terms
and send it to me. Should make a great article!!
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89561 26-AUG 07:29 Programmers Den
RE: System Calls(??????) (Re: Msg 89511)
From: JEJONES To: CPERRAULT
> Can someone point me to some referance material related to System
> calls and how to use them from Basic09(syscall)?
Well...here's as good a short description as I can manage:
If you look in the OS-9 Technical Manual, you'll see for each system call
a description of what the system call expects to see in the CPU's registers
coming in, and a description of what the system call puts in the registers
before you get control back. The BASIC09 syscall procedure takes as its
parameters the following:
1. an integer number that corresponds to the system call you want to
run
2. a structure that contains an image of the CPU registers
What syscall does is create code that does the system call you want,
copy the contents of the structure into the CPU registers, executes
the system call, copies the contents of the registers after the system
call completes back into the structure, and returns.
So...if you want to use the syscall procedure, you have to look up the
system call, find the number that corresponds to it, set up the input
parameters, run syscall, and then retrieve the output parameters from
the structure you passed syscall to get the results. (You'll want to
check the condition code flag image to tell whether it succeeded or
not.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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89556 25-AUG 23:31 General Information
RE: NitrOS9 release (Re: Msg 89526)
From: DSRTFOX To: MROWEN01
If you get a copy of the message, could you post it here or in the database...
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89557 26-AUG 01:31 General Information
RE: OS9UG Town Meeting (Re: Msg 89546)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: JOELHEGBERG
> Yes, a transcript will be available shortly. Thanks for your
> interest.
I've uploaded the OS9UG Town Meeting transcript to the database, so it
should be validated shortly. Thanks to Colin McKay for cleaning up the
transcript into a much more readable form. Thanks also to Ken Scales,
Eddie Kuns, and Colin McKay for helping me staff the meeting. It was a
great success, and we had an amazing turnout!
-- Joel Mathew Hegberg
=======================================================================
= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor =
= (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist =
= (JHegberg@aol.com) Sub-Etha Software Programmer =
=======================================================================
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89558 26-AUG 01:47 General Information
RE: OS9UG Town Meeting (Re: Msg 89546)
From: COCOKIWI To: JOELHEGBERG
of interest to you guys out there in OSK land who wish to play around with
the latest<grin>.I have a copy of the Development file for THE
SoundBlaster ......AWE32 sound card......for anyone whom wants it,It is
FREE...I have this card myself...this one would go well with a Delmar system!
all the stuff is in C so easly translated to OSK!....If you want a copy I can
send you a Zipped copy...This file is from Creative labs,and is FREELY
distributed
......they have the same thing in the VIDEO line......
Thought I would pass this one to you and the boss<grin>
regards Dennis
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89559 26-AUG 03:09 General Information
RE: OS9UG Town Meeting (Re: Msg 89558)
From: NIMITZ To: COCOKIWI
I'm certainly interested in that file, Dennis. Will need it soon, I think.
David
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89565 27-AUG 03:17 General Information
RE: OS9UG Town Meeting (Re: Msg 89559)
From: COCOKIWI To: NIMITZ
Your wish is granted..!...Dennis
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89560 26-AUG 03:29 OSK Applications
8 meg upgrades
From: NIMITZ To: ALL
I would appreciate it if someone who owns an 8 meg upgrade bus for an MM/1
would call me at (405) 234-2347 tomorrow between 8am and 5pm Central time,
with the board in hand - I have some questions about the boards.
Davdi
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89562 26-AUG 11:00 General Information
NitrOS9 data
From: MROWEN01 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I tried to send you the cocolist data on NitrOS9, but ran into some
problems. Let me re-group and I'll try to get the data in the forum by
tonight.
-Mike
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89563 26-AUG 11:06 Applications (6809)
RE: SOFTWARE (Re: Msg 88254)
From: MORRISA To: DONALDS (NR)
I GOT COCO ARTIST BUT WOULD LIKE TO BUY THE OTHERS
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89564 27-AUG 00:25 General Information
NitrOS9
From: MROWEN01 To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Frank,
Here's the message I grabbed from the Coco listserver about NitrOS9. I
thought is was worthy of posting here for Level II users.
-Mike
----MESSAGE----
The players: A stock Coco3 - with HD63B09 installed
Tandy RS232 pak - unmodified, except for 6551A
Y-cable - because of my repackaged system.
NitrOS9 V1.16 - latest release, up until next week.
OS9p1 V1.16H - hacked by me for better performance
Clock V1.16H - ditto
14.4k modem - Can the Coco handle it? Stay tuned!
OSterm 2.07 - Supercomm is probably faster...
Ramdisk - internal, my floppy controller halts.
The setting: Late last night, in a darkened corner of a nameless
apartment, downtown in a major Canadian city.
The background: OS9p1 was torn to shreds and lovingly reassembled
(literally...) for better performance. Major
optimizations were performed in the system call
routines and IRQ handler.
Act I
=====
I performed system call speed tests on the same Coco, running three
different versions of OS-9. Here are the results for the pure system
call overhead. These times do not include the time spent actually
performing the system call, but are the constant overhead for every
system call.
Stock OS-9: 2530 cycles - OUCH! That's a lot for a 2MHz machine!
NitrOS-9 V1.16 1560 cycles - much better.
V1.16H 730 cycles - Whee! (Best case, but who's counting?)
NV1.16H takes less than 30% of the time that stock OS-9 does, and
less than half the time of NV1.16. What this means is that programs
doing many system calls will speed up, and IRQ's are masked for MUCH
less time then ever before. There _are_ some system calls which are
non-best case, and may end up taking more than the 730 cycles. Most
calls, however, will speed up by the full amount.
As part of these patches, text screen updates sped up by another 10%
over NV1.16. Why is anyone still using a stock system?
Act II
======
Colin came over last night with a 14.4k modem, and we tried it
out.... Problems at first, until I realized I was running ACIAPAK
(Ugh). Half an hour later, we were running SAcia with a 4k receive
buffer. (This comes in later).
Speed tests here were fairly inconclusive, as OSTerm didn't
perform the CRC calculations on the fly, which apparently Supercomm
does. I'll have to try that, next.
At 4800 baud everything worked fine... so we tried 9600... we we
only getting 780cps throughput, but the receive data light on the
modem was doing a noticable 'send, wait, <ACK> send, wait <ACK>'. So
we tried 19.2k baud to the modem, which, with compression, was
probably getting about that on a base 14.4k connection.
Dialed up to the local BBS, and ANSI graphics worked fine. Read
messages, no lost characters. Wow! It updated fast! It's going to be
hard to go back to 1200.
We tried y-modem (xmodem-1k) again. 800 cps this time, with the
receive data light on about half the time. No problems. Hey, Zmodem
can do continuous bursts... so we tried it.
Half an hour later, we were running the latest version of RZ from
Delphi, as the version I had was way out of date. And the result
was:
We could get 3 1-k blocks fine, and the fourth would get a CRC
error. Remember that 4k receive buffer? Actually, it was 3.75k, and
zmodem couldn't pull the data out of it fast enough.
BUT, we were getting 3 seconds of continuous 19.2k connection with
NO ERRORS. I'm going to try to get faster terminal software for the
Coco end, (and perhaps hack sacia for more buffer space, like 10k),
and try again.
I guess it's a little hard for a 2MHz machine to get 2k interrupts
per second, handle them, copy the data to a system buffer, copy it to
user memory, do a CRC verification, copy it back to system memory and
then copy it to an internal ram disk. Hopefully better terminal
software, and a more highly optimized kernel will speed the non-serial
I/O end of it up.
The result of this is that full 9600 baud connectivity is easily
achievable, and will not slow your system down as much as it does now,
but will be equivalent to about a 4800 baud connection. (For system
overhead, not throughput).
These patches are currently in beta test on mutiple machines, one of
which is running 5 printers and 2 terminals. If it works for them, it
should work for you.
Epilog
======
NV1.20 will be released very soon, but these patches do not form
part of that package. Within a week or two of NV1.20's release,
however, NV1.21 will be released and will include these patches.
Happy computing!
Alan DeKok.
--
"Even more like you, perhaps, than you are yourself."
$
----END OF MESSAGE-----
Sorry for the length, but I though it was good info.
Mike
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89567 27-AUG 07:05 OSK Applications
RE: many (Re: Msg 89487)
From: BROWN80 To: AJMLFCO (NR)
Yes FHL is still in business. Hazelwood has had some problems, but 2.4 and
3.0 are still being worked on.
John Brown
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89568 27-AUG 08:10 General Information
RE: (Re: Msg 89528)
From: ALAIN1155 To: JRUPPEL (NR)
I have learned from a sale clerk that the problem is related to the pulse and
stobe timing. The AP3260 simply not accept a serial to parallel interface.
Alain
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89570 27-AUG 12:25 General Information
chestnut access
From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL
Have recently acquired access to the internet so thought I would FTP to
chestnut.cs.wisc.edu for a look at the OS9 holdings. Got to chestnut
computer OK with FTP but could not get logged in as anonymous or get
any commands to work. For example, typing "dir" (no quotes) resulted
in a prompt to log on using USER and PASS. Typing USER got me a
foreign user prompt for my name I guess, but then chestnut want a
password. Whatever I put in for password produced "login incorrect".
Whats the procedure to get to the OSK or OS9 area of chestnut?
Thanks!
Bests
---TedJaeger
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RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89609)
From: MRUPGRADE To: 01GEN40 (NR)
RE >There is no such thing as RSDOS
If I have to explain that one,,, there's little hope of explaining anything.
youo either know what is meant or don't want to.
RE > Why do I inquire about support offered to OS-9 via the OSUG?
Simple,,, I edit a magazine that serves a user group. And thh user group
as a membership interest spans far beyong my own. i.e. I live in more then
"my own little world".
The name OSUG suggests support for OS-9. I was inquiting as to what support
was offered or OS-9 users? The answers seem to indicate th group is mostly
Or at least at this time offers little to theh OS-9 er other then 6
newsletters.
In our magazine "The UPGRADE" we recommend many other CoCo publications and
groups. If they offered vaible support to OS-9, we'd like to say so.
Ferschtain?
Til then,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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89627 28-AUG 21:13 General Information
RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89614)
From: MRUPGRADE To: CPERRAULT
We do work with several clubs. Some ar e more active at interchange then
others. Also dealers, publishers (CoCo),, who will interchange. Thisi
is what I was "trying to do" with the OSUG. Uusually a group will say
they offer this or that,, and do this,, etc. But these questions seemed
more of an irritation. So I'll drop it.
BTW: You mentioned an OS-9 users group? As seperate from OSUG?
I'm empbarrassed to say,,, I didn't know they were still around? If so
ask for details? Like with other groups,, we're here (and from
Austrailia to England) to help.
May we REcommend,, is both a long and regular column in the UPGRADE.
Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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89634 29-AUG 00:10 General Information
RE: OS9UG (Re: Msg 89610)
From: JOELHEGBERG To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Who do I see (communicate with) in order to become a member of this
> OS-9 Users Group? See ya.
Anyone wishing to obtain the OS-9 Users Group's FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions) file, can send a note to "os9ug@sandv.chi.il.us". It
contains lots of information, including how to become a member.
Hey, it's free... what are you waiting for?? <g>
=======================================================================
= Joel Mathew Hegberg M.O.T.D. Editor =
= (JoelHegberg@delphi.com) 68'micros Columnist =
= (JHegberg@aol.com) Sub-Etha Software Programmer =
=======================================================================
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End of Thread.
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89628 28-AUG 21:40 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live (Re: Msg 89587)
From: DBREEDING To: DSRTFOX
> Ever notice how easy it is to reply to the wrong person? ;>
Ya, it is.. sometimes it's a little trouble going back to the original,
anyway.
But, I *DID* want to brag anyhow.. proud to be a subscriber..
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89629 28-AUG 21:40 General Information
RE: Conference Announcement:OS-9 Late Ni (Re: Msg 89620)
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
> use some educating<G>. I too am interested in C, but won't be getting
> too serious with it for a while. I do plan on taking it up tho<it
> looks like a good language anyway>, so I try to soak up whatever I see
> mentioned about it, as much as possible as it will come in handy
> later.
If you are serious about programming, and especially if you are going to OSK,
I feel that C is the way to go. Basic is great, but as I understand it,
it is not as widely used in OSK, and, of course, if you go to a PC or
whatever, then their basic is somewhat different. As a matter of fact,
Basic is not included in the Delmar package, so some would not be able to
run your programs, which would limit your sales a little if you want to go
commercial.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89630 28-AUG 21:41 Telecom (6809)
RE: info express (Re: Msg 89607)
From: DBREEDING To: JEJONES
> > what is info express. and where can i get it.
>
> send him email (he wrote the program, and IMHO it's a nice piece
> of work
Nice? Guess you think a Ferarri is a "nice" car, James? ;-)
IMO, "ix" is GREAT!!!! I have to pay on both ends of the line and it
REALLY saves me, and I now really depend on it heavily, although I
messed around and now may have to wait till Bill gets his vendor set
up or something before I can get the OSK version.
Really, I think it's a lifesaver.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89631 28-AUG 21:42 Programmers Den
RE: System Calls(??????) (Re: Msg 89615)
From: DBREEDING To: CPERRAULT
> Thanks for the the syscall info David. I'm gonna save that
> message as yet another one of the help messages from here :-) I'm not
> sure how well I'll do with it when I try it out, but from the message,
> it is starting to make a little more sense. Reading source code from
I hope it was correct.. I had this data scribbled into my Tech Info section
in the appropriate place, can't remember where I got it, from a msg, I think.
Again, I would suggest that you look at gfx3. It makes a lot of the syscalls
a lot shorter (and FWIW, these calls use names similar to those in cgfx.l,
as well as std calls under OSK.
> Basic listings in the Underground isn't hurting either.
This is a really good way to learn new techniques.
> I'll let you all know how it works out when I try it.
Please do so.. I am interested in your progress, and I'm sure others are,
too.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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89632 28-AUG 23:55 Applications (6809)
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89606)
From: MITHELEN To: 01GEN40 (NR)
KBcom is bothe for the CoCo, and MM/1...
--
Paul
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89633 29-AUG 00:07 General Information
RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 89604)
From: FHOGG To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Yes with the runtime you could sell a sculptor app to someone else. To be
completely legal you would need a runtime for each person you sell the app. too.
And yes the versions for OSK and MSDOS are source code compatible with what you
have. On MSDOS you have to watch the filename in 'exec' and '!file' etc but
that is probably obvious. Otherwise all is the same.
Frank
PS You have to have a dev system for each target so you can compile the app you
want to sell. A compiled app. on the coco will not run on OSK etc. This was
changed by MPD in a later version (1.16 I think) but I don't have that version
available at this pri
ce.
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89642 29-AUG 06:47 General Information
RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 89604)
From: EDELMAR To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
The last version of SCULPTOR MPD did for the 6809 (CoCo) was 1.16. They made
extensive changes to the file structure so that it is not compatible with
earlier versions. They do include a utility to convert earlier file
structures.
We sold somewhere around a hundred copies of SCULPTOR version 1.16 to 6809
users (mostly CoCo) so there will be some users who have SCULPTOR but will
be unable to run your apps without doing some work at their end. On the
other hand, .g and .q code compiled under 1.16 will run on most any platform
without re-compiling unless you are doing something unique under the platform
you are using. But, you can tweak the code on the CoCo for other platforms
if you found you did something the other platform doesn't like. Also, code
compiled under 1.16 will run under the later versions of SCULPTOR without
further work. (The latest release is 2.2 with 2.3 in beta testing.)
If you're interested in a SCULPTOR package for OSK, version 1.14.6, you
can obtain copies from Fred Brown at Peripheral Technology (404-973-2156)
for, I think, $75.00. This is the development package.
I can provide current packages for most any platform.
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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End of Thread.
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89635 29-AUG 00:20 Users Group
OS-9 Users Group FAQ
From: MITHELEN To: ALL
The following is the OS-9 Users Group, Inc. Frequently Asked Questions file.
04 August 1994
* DRAFT *
OS-9 Users Group Frequently Asked Questions List
------------------------------------------------
16 July 1994 Edition
Q. What is the OS-9 Users Group?
A. The OS-9 Users Group, Inc., is a non-profit organization established
with the goals of:
a. Stimulating and sustaining interest in the OS-9 operating
system in all its forms (OS-9 6809, OS-9 68000, OS-9000);
b. Promoting the cooperation and exchange of information
concerning OS-9 betweens its members;
c. Conducting programs and activities which promote
fraternalism and advance the general interest and knowledge
of its members; and
d. Supporting, where practical, the activities of other
organizations which promote OS-9.
Q. How do I contact the OS-9 Users Group?
A. Any of the following addresses may be used to contact the Users
Group:
By Mail: The OS-9 Users Group, Inc.
6158 W. 63d St. Suite 109
Chicago, IL
USA
60638
By Internet: os9ug@sandv.chi.il.us
Officers of the Users Group are as follows:
Position Name EMail Address
--------------------- ---------------- ----------------------
President Carl Boll cbj@delphi.com
Executive VP Colin McKay cmckay@uuisis.isis.org
Director Ed Gresick edelmar@delphi.com
Director Eddie Kuns ekuns@pisces.rutgers.edu
Director Ken Scales kscales@delphi.com
VP Communications Paul Jerkatis mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us
VP OS-9 (6809) * Brian Goers briangoers@delphi.com
VP OS-9 Brian Goers briangoers@delphi.com
Secretary Howard Luckey luckyone@delphi.com
Treasurer Br. Jeremy revwcp@delphi.com
Librarian Zack Sessions colorsystems@delphi.com
MOTD Editor Joel Hegberg joelhegberg@delphi.com
* Acting pending appointment of a replacement.
Q. How much does membership cost?
A. Annual Membership Dues: United States & Canada Other Countries
25.00 US 30.00 US
Q. Why should I join?
A. There are many reasons for joining the Users Group. Why you join
is entirely up to you, but here are some reasons:
o Support. OS-9 is a great Operating System, but it also can be
difficult to learn. The Users Group can help ease the
learning curve, and suggest sources for additional help.
A project that you are working on may already have been
completed by someone else. The Users Group can help put you
in contact with them.
o The MOTD Newsletter.
o The best reason for joining is that you want to.
Q. What is the MOTD Newsletter.
A. MOTD, or Message Of The Day, is the OS-9 Users Group Newsletter.
It is published four times per year or more often if required.
It contains news of interest to UG members, as well as contacts,
and several regular features.
These include the "President's Column", and "Straight From the Horse's
Mouth", about the use of OS-9 by Industrial, Scientific and Educational
Institutions. A new column by Joel Hegberg will be starting shortly.
*********************************************************
* The OS-9 UG FAQ is maintained by the OS-9 Users Group *
* Executive Vice President, Colin McKay. Updates, *
* questions, and comments may be sent to him at: *
* *
* cmckay@northx.isis.org or by mail at the ug address *
*********************************************************
--
Paul Jerkatis
VP. Communications
OS-9 Users Group, Inc.
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89636 29-AUG 01:42 OSK Applications
RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 89527)
From: WMBRADY To: JOHNREED
Sorry, it won't boot.
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89637 29-AUG 01:51 General Information
RE: Conference Reminder (Re: Msg 89621)
From: REVWCP To: CPERRAULT
I'll be there.
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
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89638 29-AUG 05:42 General Information
RE: (Re: Msg 89576)
From: ALAIN1155 To: JRUPPEL
well i did not want to mess with the printer, therfore i returned it to the
store and got a panasonic printer instead. This one works great
alain
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89645 29-AUG 20:20 General Information
RE: (Re: Msg 89638)
From: JRUPPEL To: ALAIN1155 (NR)
Also a good choice. I haven't had time yet to pull apart my connector and
refres~t{e hardware hacks I've performed on my system, I haven't really
documented them...
UNLESS they don't work! Then I make a note not to do that again <G>
Good luck! If I can be of any help, leave me a message here or in E-mail.
John Ruppel
CocoNuts in Lansing
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End of Thread.
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89639 29-AUG 05:44 General Information
RE: sidewise and business software. (Re: Msg 89601)
From: ALAIN1155 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Thanks very much.... let me know when you will have install it whats its worth
alain
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89649 29-AUG 21:25 General Information
RE: sidewise and business software. (Re: Msg 89639)
From: DSRTFOX To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Please DO write me up a little article on the problems you had installing.
I have a demo version already installed on a floppy. It will open three
device windows on the same screen, so you need plenty of memory. Try killing
everything and running AL3 from a clean boot with no other processes running.
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End of Thread.
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89640 29-AUG 05:44 General Information
RE: Roger Krupski's CC3Go modules (Re: Msg 89602)
From: ALAIN1155 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
found it thanks very much
alain
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89641 29-AUG 05:46 General Information
smouse
From: ALAIN1155 To: ALL
I would like to use the smouse patch from Bruce Isted but the installation
file was missing from the archive. Anyone could tell me how to convert a
microsoft mouse so to use it on a coco
alain
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89643 29-AUG 06:47 General Information
RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89641)
From: COCOKIWI To: ALAIN1155 (NR)
I did this some years ago! the fix is NOT in the mouse...BUT is the RATshack
Rs232 pak! IT needs a slight mod for it to work..get a 5.6k 1/4watt resistor
and bending the wires straight down ......right by the astic block..by J1
you will see C1 ..right in between that cap you will see a through HOLE..
you need to bridge the resistor across the cap from that hole to the resistor
R2.....<end closeset to the xtal> solder it in place!.......thats it!plug in
the mouse and go...you may need a 9 pin to 25pin adaptor.....
what you are doing is putting a pull up resistor on a line!...
regards Dennis
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End of Thread.
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89644 29-AUG 09:36 General Information
RE: NitrOS9 release (Re: Msg 89617)
From: MROWEN01 To: CPERRAULT
I believe I'm going to join the OS9 list in addition to the Cocolist. I
don't know what the traffic volume will be yet, but I'll risk it for a bit to
see what it's like. Let me know if and when you go 6309. Perhaps tonight we
can see if there are a large number of users interested. That way we could
all go through this process together. At minimum, everyone else could get
a ring side seat to someone else's install. I'll see you tonight in the
conference.
-Mike Rowen
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89652 29-AUG 21:32 General Information
RE: NitrOS9 release (Re: Msg 89617)
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
Chris, I didn't think the 6309 would make that much difference, but Rick Ulland
displayed a 4096 color "flick-pic" on his 6309/PowerBoosted machine. You could
barely notice the flicker at all, whereas a non-boosted machine had a flicker
a blind person would have noticed easily!!
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End of Thread.
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89646 29-AUG 20:35 OSK Applications
RE: Xlate.lzh (Re: Msg 89596)
From: VAXELF To: BILLDICKHAUS
Thanks Bill.
John D.
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89647 29-AUG 21:19 General Information
RE: Funny Coincidence (Re: Msg 89589)
From: DSRTFOX To: MREGC
I'll get the file, but next time let me know you have something new to announce!
I publish/edit "the world of 68' micros", by the way!!
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89656 30-AUG 02:13 General Information
RE: Funny Coincidence (Re: Msg 89647)
From: MREGC To: DSRTFOX (NR)
You'll be hearing from me in mail, just a little late. :)
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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89648 29-AUG 21:23 General Information
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89599)
From: DSRTFOX To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Is the new MPI upgraded for the CoCo3? Or rather was the other small MPI?
That could have been the problem! The old style MPI is a little more
forgiving, but still needs to be upgraded with a new PAL. Marty Goodman can
supply a new PAL if you need one. Strapping helps, but you still need that
new PAL!!
-*-
89653 29-AUG 21:37 General Information
RE: OSK/AMIGA (Re: Msg 89618)
From: DSRTFOX To: CPERRAULT
I don't currently have an OSK capable (68000 based) machine at all. The idea
is that one with an Amiga would be interested, but at $600 per copy and
no 68020 (and the 68000 kernal won't work with the 68020 either!) it just
may not be worth it, not unless you were practically given an Amiga. The Atari
version is around $200, which is more in line with the PT68K version ($300).
For the cost of the Amiga version and an Amiga, you could ppurchase a PT68K4
motherboard and some surplus PC components to build a complete machine with..
about $1200 with a mono or CGA monitor, $1400 with VGA. That includes a small
hard drive (40-80MB)!!
-*-
89654 29-AUG 21:44 General Information
OS-9UG
From: DSRTFOX To: MRUPGRADE
Terry, capture msg 89635! That might help.
-*-
89655 29-AUG 23:43 General Information
RE: Atlanta Fest (Re: Msg 89592)
From: WA2EGP To: DISTO (NR)
I'm interested. What address? You can let me know in email.
-*-
89657 30-AUG 04:54 Applications (6809)
DMode
From: MMCCLELLAND To: ALL
Hi everybody,
During tonight's conference I heard mention of a program called DMode. I
just downloaded it, but AR will not decompress it, because of a CRC error. My
first guess, which was right, was that Xmodem padding had changed the archive
during upload. Its description on Delphi claims that I "...must <D>iddle it to
$1C4C". I have no idea how to do this. I downloaded DED but it had the same
problem! I desperately need DMode! Any help will be greatly appreciated!
-=Mark=-
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89658 30-AUG 08:58 Applications (6809)
RE: DMode (Re: Msg 89657)
From: MROWEN01 To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
I'm going to grab this too. Soemone also mentioned a utility to fix the file
before unarcing I believe. You can scan the transcript when it's posted to be
sure. What are you using to unarc? I've had good luck with the newer lha/lzh
utilities that handle multiple types of archives.
-Mike
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89802 6-SEP 19:12 New Uploads
RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89799)
From: MITHELEN To: MMCCLELLAND
Most modern multi-frequency monitors (MultiSync is a trade name of NEC)
will NOT sync down to 15.701 kHz (CoCo/MM1) Especially if you want one that
is in the 17" range... I did a LOT of looking for a monitor that I could both
use on my MM/1, and my Sun. I wanted at least 17" diagonal, but I did not want
The only monitor I did find what would do the job, was the huge NEC
MultiSync 6FGp wich was over 2000$. I didn't hit up the Computer Shopper, or
any mail order places, but I did visit every large computer store within
60 miles, and quite a few of smaller computer venders.
--Paul
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89809 6-SEP 23:43 New Uploads
RE: CC3 to SVGA (analog) adaptor (Re: Msg 89802)
From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN
He would have to look for an old "multi-frequency" monitor which are getting
mighty rare. Some old Diamond Scans are still around but he'd better check
the specs before he plunks down the cash.
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End of Thread.
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89803 6-SEP 19:59 OSK Applications
RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89780)
From: VAXELF To: MRGOOD
Send a msg to David G. ( NIMITZ ). He can tell you a lot about. Even
take your order. here is a short list of what it can do
shell screen
uses X, Y, Y batch
uses external ZModem, with Auto ZModem download
customizible ansi text color.
customizeble screen for/background color
macro's
300 - 38K Baud
John D.
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89821 7-SEP 06:32 OSK Applications
RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89803)
From: SCWEGERT To: VAXELF
And can emulate what terminals?
*- Steve -*
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89826 7-SEP 20:19 OSK Applications
RE: Kterm (Re: Msg 89821)
From: VAXELF To: SCWEGERT
It does a pretty good job at VT100. I use it to connect to my UNIX host.
I run VI, ME, ELM, & ect with NO problems.
Next Version will have new bells and whistles, plus many new and
improved features. No date has been set for the next release.
John D.
-*-
End of Thread.
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89804 6-SEP 21:50 General Information
More ANSI Questions
From: BOISY To: ALL
Further along...
I noticed that some BBS's try to "auto-detect ansi". Here's a dump from
one BBS:
000001a0 2028 3c45 4e54 4552 3e20 666f 7220 3129 (<ENTER> for 1)
000001b0 3a20 310d 0a0d 0a1b 5b21 0820 0808 2008 : 1.....[!. .. .
000001c0 0820 081b 5b36 6e08 2008 0820 0808 2008 . ..[6n. .. .. .
000001d0 0820 0841 4e53 4920 636f 6c6f 7220 6772 . .ANSI color gr
000001e0 6170 6869 6373 204e 4f54 2064 6574 6563 aphics NOT detec
000001f0 7465 6421 0d0a 0d0a 0c20 20fa 2020 2020 ted!..... z
Notice the ESC [ !. After I typed 1, it was sent immediately. I
canot find this in any of the ANSI docs I have. I do interpret
the DSR (ESC [ 6 n) and respond appropriately.
Also...
I'm somewhat confused as to the use of the word "Bold" in the ANSI
spec. Here's an excerpt from one of the ANSI documents I have:
.nf
Ps = 1 Bold on. If the text color has been changed using an
ANSI color control sequence, bold will be the
intensified text color. Otherwise bolded text will
display as configured in the Screen Setup Menu.
I'm not quite sure what this means. At this point, I do not turn on
Bold characters, but do keep track of the Bold flag via a switch, and
will have intensified colors of I receive an ANSI sequence which turned
on Bold.
I would appreciate any insight into these questions.
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89805 6-SEP 22:37 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89793)
From: CHARLESAM To: MITHELEN
Most of my tools are wood oriented; band saw, radial arm saw, router and
such. They service them at your location if they're too big to transport,
and most of mine are. So far, no complaints.
-*-
89806 6-SEP 22:41 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89795)
From: CHARLESAM To: MREGC
Its a stand alone system, right? Plays all forms of discs if I'm not mistaken.
BTW, do you know what they're asking for it?
Charlie
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89808 6-SEP 23:39 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89798)
From: WA2EGP To: MREGC
Go and tell them to turn them on! I keep busting the chops of my local Sears.
-*-
89817 7-SEP 02:39 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89806)
From: MREGC To: CHARLESAM
Charlie,
> Its a stand alone system, right? Plays all forms of discs if I'm not
> mistaken. BTW, do you know what they're asking for it?
I'm not sure if you're asking about Philips' CD-i or Panasonic's 3DO here.
CD-i plays CD-i disks, Kodak Photo CDs, audio CDs, and, with the optional
Digital Video cartridge, CD-i digital video movies and Video CDs. Oh, and I
think it also plays the little supported CD+Gs.
3DO plays 3DO disks, and that's all *as far as I know*. They don't have
their digital video cartridge out yet. When they do it'll probably play
Video CDs (the new standard) as well.
Philips' CD-i unit runs about $400.00 - $500.00, depending on where you go,
which includes Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia, a $299.00 value. The
Magnavox model runs about $300.00 I think, and doesn't include Compton's. That
was Magnavox's model 200. Their new model I believe runs about $250.00.
Goldstar has a couple of units coming out, the price of which I don't
remember. One includes digital video and 2 or 3 software titles, the other
doesn't have DV (digital video) and includes 1 or 2 titles.
Depending on where you get it, (and when as the price seems to have dropped
quite a bit from $700.00 to ?), 3DO runs $400.00 to $500.00.
Of course, the local favorite around here is CD-i. :)
..Eric...
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89818 7-SEP 02:43 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89808)
From: MREGC To: WA2EGP
> Go and tell them to turn them on! I keep busting the chops of my local
> Sears.
Oh, they often have it running. However, they don't have any of the recent
titles to show it off with. They also only have a 2 - 3 year old catalog.
It's hardly worth the effort.
..Eric...
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89828 7-SEP 22:43 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89818)
From: WA2EGP To: MREGC
True. I do get a little tired of Tetris. One day they put the golf game on
and that drew a crowd.....especially husbands who went with the wives to Sears
because there were no golf matches on TV. Some really got annoyed until
some one finally explained that it was a GAME! Took a while before some
actually believed it. BTW, I have seen 3DO. Not impressed. Unforch
Panasonic seems to have better advertising than Phillips.
-*-
89829 7-SEP 22:47 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89817)
From: WA2EGP To: MREGC
Radio Shack used to seel the Maggie CDI machine (CDI-2200) and closed it out
for $199.95! Now if you could find one of those.......
-*-
89830 7-SEP 22:50 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89817)
From: CHARLESAM To: MREGC
Thanks Eric, for taling the trouble to enlighten me on the subject. I guess
I'll learn more by the time I'm ready to get one. I'm looking to upgrade
soon. (taling=taking) I'm getting real excited about making the move. I'll
know better which machine I'll pick after Atlanta.
Looking at my message I believe I better take some remedial English. Again,
thanx..... Charlie......
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89833 8-SEP 02:58 General Information
RE: Cd-i (Re: Msg 89828)
From: MREGC To: WA2EGP (NR)
> Unforch Panasonic seems to have better advertising than Philips.
Yes, but not entirely. You can find CD-i ads in several gaming magazines
nowadays. My big problem with these it that there is too much wasted space in
them. (They all use the same layout.) Each ad also generally only focusses on
one title. It is advertising, nevertheless. Philips also aired a CD-i info-
mercial several months ago. It wasn't bad, but I think they need to re-do it
now that they've got more good DV titles out there.
Fortunately, even though 3DO is getting more press, when I asked a person
at Incredible Universe how each machine was selling, they described CD-i as
selling considerably better than CD-i. There seem to be a number of CD-i
enthusiasts at that store. CD-i support and coverage is also starting to
improve greatly at our local Best Buys in Phoenix.
..Eric...
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End of Thread.
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89807 6-SEP 23:13 General Information
Star Printer $10 delivered!
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
Beat this?
A 9600 multifont print printer for $10.00 delivered!
.
That's right a Star NX-1000 9 pin printer (in good used
condition) with true NLQ founts, and a wide variety of double to
6X print size. Selectable 80 to 160 Characters per inch. With
a 4K buffer. Prints single sheets or fanfold. And handles CoCo
Graphics in grand style. For use with the CoCo it will require
a Serial to paralell interface, available from several
sources.
Between the 9600 buad and up tio 120 cahracters per second
print speed,, your CoCo print dumps will be flat out,,, flyin'!
.
Before I get an onslaught of mail offering ten dollar bills,,
lemme say I'd expect to have more takers, then printers. (and I
only have one) I need a way to decide which? Right?
.
Well, I have come up with a solution:
"All ya gotta do is":
Don't give the ten dollars to me, but to the: ASC which will
get you a ticket to both days of "the Atlanta Fest". Then step
over to the "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo," booth and enter,,,,
!! THE SAHNGHAI CONTEST !!
1. The Best of Two games. random draw from:
2. The Ten minute challange
3. Best scores determined by:
A. 2 "Beat the dragons", in least amount of total time.
B 1 beat the dragon and Most tiles removed 2nd game.
C. Most tiles removed in two games.
D. In case of tie least amount of total time.
1st place: Star NX-1000 (used)
2nd place: Sundog's Photon, 512K ($20) game
3rd place: COCOPRO OS-9 Tools 2
4th and all others: get to see the entire show!
.
.
!! 5TH ANNUAL ATLANTA COCO FEST !!
Holiday Inn, Northlake October 1 & 2, 1994
Show hours Sat Oct 1 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Sun Oct 2 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Vendor set up Sept 30th 6:00 - 9:00 PM
Admission $10.00 whole show
Reservations, Holiday Inn Northlake 1-800-338-9889
Fest rates $59/ night
Sponsered by Atlanta Computer Society
PO Box 80694 Atlanta, GA 30366 BBS: 404-636-2991
.
See you there! Terry Simons, UPGRADE Editor
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89810 6-SEP 23:50 General Information
Humor
From: WA2EGP To: ALL
Just want to pass this along. You may be amused. Today was the first day
of school where all the teachers show up to get their paperwork and briefing
on the coming school year. When I walked in the building, the principal
pulled me aside and told me that the SOP (standard operating procedure) now
states that teachers are NOT allowed to bring in their own personal computers,
including laptops. (I've been using one for a few years now to do grades,
keep inventories, etc) I can use it in the car but I cannot bring it in the
building. Geez....and I was going to put an OSK machine in my room.
In the words of that Russian comedian, "......What a country!!"
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89831 8-SEP 00:23 General Information
RE: Humor (Re: Msg 89810)
From: CHYDE To: WA2EGP (NR)
You mean you don't already have one in your room? Even when my wife taught
in a rural Idaho school, she had a Tandy 1000 and DeskMate to work with (this
was two years ago by the way <g>).
Chris
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End of Thread.
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89811 7-SEP 00:52 General Information
RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89760)
From: COCOKIWI To: ALAIN1155 (NR)
YOU do need a Rs232 pak of some discription!...As that is how it works!
one can buy a dual Rs232 unit around here somewhere!
My system is a RS232 port<mouse> a SuperII with a Rs232/HardDisk board!
that Rs232 is my <or was> my modem output<was swiped July 4th,The modem
that is>
...Dennis
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89812 7-SEP 00:54 General Information
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89787)
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
looks like my setup!<grin>...CoCo-3 MPI....SCII pak in slot 4.....
Mine is DISTO complete!.....Dennis
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89813 7-SEP 01:33 General Information
RE: 24 pin eprom (Re: Msg 89788)
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
it was in the Rainbow.....
doing it is not to difficalt...lets see if i can put my hands on it.here!
.<sec>.......arrr..here it is......
first you have to cut a few pins off......pins #1.2.28.27.21.18
leaving the rest there!you then tin those and jumper some wires to what was
org the org holes for the rom.....
5 v + o pin 1 U o 5 volts Vcc
* A12 o > o n/c
A7 o o vcc <org> pin 24
o 21 *A12 <-
o 20 CE x
o 19 A10 x
o 18 a11 <ce>
cut trace 21<org pin out 24 pin socket> from the trace solder a line
to pin 2 new socket.........
cut trace 18 <a11>jumper trace to pin 21 <you dont need to cut these
pins after all 18/21>
jumper 18 to 20 on the socket........
you have to reroute A11 and 12...........because the numbers change on the
pins! if you want to use a 128 wire a line from A13 to the n/c <pin 27>
a 256 uses pin1 for A14.....although one do not use it! UNLESS on wants to
do some switching with different DOS,s<grin> one just does some switching
manualy with pin 1 and 27.....Pin1 gives TWO 16k Blocks pin 27 gives one
two 8k blocks within a 16k block,if one uses a 16k block A13 is ACTIVE!
A14 switches between them,I have TWO 8k blocks<RSDOS 1.1/ADOS-3> the 16k
block is ADOS-3 extended>......a 4 pole Two way mini switch and one single
will do it.......But one also has to program the dos,s into their location
in the Eprom........The main switch ....is 16k/8k and the single is 8k/8k
dont take to much to figure it out! your lesson for today is!!!!<grin>
use a 10k pullup on pin 27 when in 8k/8k mode!
and dont foget to put a small piece of tape under the cut pins 1-24-2-23
and jumper 1 to 28 if you dont plan to switch!<grin>
Dennis
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89814 7-SEP 02:15 Applications (6809)
RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 89733)
From: AJMLFCO To: KSCALES
Ken,
I'd like to include my vote(s) on OSterm. I ran it on
my CoCo and miss it now that I have the Kix\30 with
Gwindows. My friend, who is using OS9000 on his '486
would also like to see a Gwindows port of Osterm. He is
planning on ordering Gwindows this week for OS9000. I also
have some friends in industry who use Gwindows/68k on VME
and they have asked me for my recommendations on a good
terminal program--what can I recommend?
Allen Morgan
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89815 7-SEP 02:24 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 89740)
From: AJMLFCO To: GLOCKR (NR)
I used to recieve the Motorola technical notes. One day,
back in the 1980's, I noticed a tech. note on a simple circuit
for a 6809 based "consumer" computer. In studying closer,
I noticed a great deal of similarity between Motorols's sample
system and the CoCo2 . Of interest also was a dual processor
circuit which had two 6809's sharing alternate clock phases
and accessing the same ram (whould that make a neat hard disk
interface? )
Allen
Looking back, I see several spelling errors--Oh well :-)
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89816 7-SEP 02:29 Applications (6809)
RE: Database Deletion of DScan V4.0!! (Re: Msg 89801)
From: MREGC To: KSCALES
Ken,
> The author of that "text-based" program chose to avoid making his program
> MM/1 specific, so that he could sell it to the general MM/1 marketplace.
Yes, I am aware of the reasoning for his decision, and I would be the last
person to fault him for it. If he feels he can make substantial money by
going text based then more power to him.
> I think you will find it difficult to convince him that he should have
> used a K-Windows interface for his program...
And I would never think of suggesting that he should have done so. As I
sai, I bought the program, and the upgrade, (and I tried to word my comments
so as not to offend him, if he sees this, or you because I think you did an
excellent job on the graphical front end and the program itself is very well
done.) The point I was making is that *I personally* prefer windowing
software, that is, windowing software that was written to window in the first
place. Hence, I would rather use a program with fewer features, (gotta watch
myself here, don't want to offend you know who,) that uses windows well than
one which is either text based or has a graphical interface on top of a text
based program. Not to say one's right or one's wrong. It's a matter of personal
preference. I've just made my choice to support (as user and programmer)
(native) windowing software from now on.
I hope no offense was taken. Certainly none was meant.
..Eric...
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89819 7-SEP 03:17 Programmers Den
Help! Elusive bug! Arrrgh!
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
Please, if anyone can get the menus to respond I would be most
greatful. Compile it and you will see the problem. There are dummy files to
be created in ../ (one path up from where you are when it's run) I'm
wrighting this on my MM/1 and any MM/1 owner to fix the problem wins a free
back issue of The Compiler Video Magazine's Disk Supplement (TCDS for short.
That's right! It's a contest! Here's the C code:
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89820 7-SEP 03:34 Programmers Den
RE: Help! Elusive bug! Arrrgh! (Re: Msg 89819)
From: DIGIGRADE To: DIGIGRADE
/* Lantis server - Copyright 1994 by Dave Pellerito */
#include <stdio.h>
#define PATH 0
main()
{
char command[80];
printf(" Lantis Server V0.1 Alpha (C) 1994 by Dave Pellerito.\n");
system("list private.message\n");
printf(" \n");
while(1)
{
GetSel(command);
system("display 7\n");
printf("\n");
}
}
GetSel(command)
{
printf("GetSel reached.\n");
system("list ../lanmenu.txt\n");
printf("list command passed.\n");
GetInput(command);
puts(command);
if (strcmp(command,"mlist")==0)
{
printf(" [C]apture or [Z]modem?\n");
GetInput(command);
printf("gets command passed.\n");
if (strcmp(command,"c")==0) SendCMail();
if (strcmp(command,"z")==0) SendZMail();
}
if (strcmp(command,"flist")==0)
{
printf(" [C]apture or [Z]modem?\n");
GetInput(command);
if (strcmp(command,"c")==0) SendCList();
if (strcmp(command,"z")==0) SendZList();
}
if (strcmp(command,"doors")==0)
{
system("landoors\n");
printf(" Returning to Lantis...\n");
}
}
GetInput(command)
{
int *t; /* GetInput is by Joel Hegberg, orig. t was not a pointer but *
/
/* the compiler made a big stink and said it should be a ptr */
readln(PATH,command,80);
for (t=0;command[t];t++)
{
if(command[t]==0x00)
command[t]=0x00;
}
}
SendCMail()
{
printf(" Turn on your capture buffer. Send begins in 10 seconds.\n");
sleep(10);
printf(" --- Public messages from Dave's Lan --- \n");
printf(" Downloaded on:\n");
system("date");
system("list ../public.mes\n");
printf(" --- End of public messages - turn off capture buffer --- \n");
}
SendZMail()
{
printf(" --- Sending public messages by ZModem --- \n");
system("sz ../public.mes\n");
}
SendCList()
{
printf(" Turn on your capture buffer. Send begins in 10 seconds.\n");
sleep(10);
printf(" --- File list from Dave's Lan --- \n");
printf(" Downloaded on:\n");
system("date");
system("list ../public.fil\n");
printf(" --- End of file list - turn off capture buffer --- \n");
}
SendZList()
{
printf(" --- Sending file list by ZModem --- \n");
system("sz ../public.fil\n");
}
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89825 7-SEP 08:41 Programmers Den
RE: Help! Elusive bug! Arrrgh! (Re: Msg 89820)
From: BILLDICKHAUS To: DIGIGRADE
Dave,
GetInput(command)
char *command; /* <<<-- add this line to define command within the function */
{
int t; /* <<<-- change t back to an int */
readln(PATH,command,79); /* <<<-- Only use 79 bytes of a char[80] */
for (t=0;command[t];t++)
{
if(command[t]==0x00)
command[t]=0x00;
}
}
I didn't actually test this, but here's some observations.
Since you included command as part of the GetInput() function
definition, but didn't define command, its going to default to an int,
not char is it is defined at the top of the module. This is probably
what the compiler was complaining about, not t. So I added a definition
for command, it could also be: char command[]; If I have a variable that
is used this way, I usually name it something else in the function to
avoid confusion.
The for loop doesn't actually do anything, it loops through the string,
looking for a non-null byte, changing nulls to nulls. Doesn't hurt
anything, either :-) as long is t is an int, not a pointer.
All character strings in C need room for the null byte at the end, so
make sure you always reserve one, in this case, don't try to read 80
bytes into an 80 byte string.
-Bill-
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End of Thread.
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89822 7-SEP 06:46 General Information
OS-9 Late Night
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
HEY!,
Who has a transcript of the OS-9 Late Night Conference that took place
on Labor day? Please let me know when this will be posted. I was unable to
attend. Thanks!
Mike Rowen
rowen@fwa.natp.gmeds.com
mrowen01@delphi.com
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89823 7-SEP 08:32 General Information
Info Xpress
From: SCWEGERT To: BILLDICKHAUS
> > Frank,
> >
> > Mark is no longer selling InfoXpress. I am in the process of deciding
> > on a distributor (the list of possibilities includes myself).
> Meanwhile > I will be collecting orders and will pass these on when
> everything is > finalized.
> >
> > -Bill-
> >
>
> Hi, Bill.
>
> Please and my name to the list of those ordering an upgrade for
> InfoXpress (OSK version). I am very happy with the first version.
>
> Howard
>
> Howard Luckey
> delphi LUCKYONE
> CIS 74746,3207
>
> ********** By InfoXpress 1.01 **********
Bill,
This is another test of 1222. I searched the messages I had on line until I
found your user name as a "TO". Using the <T> command I snarffed it.
Now I'll send this via mail .... I hope.
*- Steve -*
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89824 7-SEP 08:32 General Information
Info Xpress
From: SCWEGERT To: SCWEGERT
This is a test of the <U> option sent via mail from the forum
*- Steve -*
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89827 7-SEP 21:02 General Information
RE: CD-i Success! (Re: Msg 89744)
From: HAWKSOFT To: BOISY
Boisy!
> Well, after fiddling with my new CD-i player, I managed to make a working
> cable from its 8-pin mini-DIN to my MM/1 25pin serial.
>
> Thanks to FHOGG's message buried way back in the forum, I was able to
> call up the "service shell" which listed about 8 options. These are
> test modes for DRAM, NVRAM, VSC, and other hardware on the board.
>
> This thing is so close to be an OSK computer, it's dangerous.
I did that myself just a while back! (Tho being 4 rooms away, pressing
<space> at power-up takes a looooong arm!) Seems to me, with a little clever
programming and a custom CD disk, it could be an OSK computer or even
a serial-linked CD-Rom Reader!!!
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************
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89832 8-SEP 02:10 General Information
Offline for a while
From: KSCALES To: ALL
Hi, everybody -
Just thought I would post a note to say that I will be offline until
about September 16 to attend my niece's wedding. It's a blue-jean
affair... should be fun!
Cheers... / Ken
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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90081 25-SEP 15:25 Applications (6809)
RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90074)
From: REVKAK To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim,
Thanks for the info on displaying "movies". I will try to keep this in mind
when (if) I get a second serial port. Thanks for the help.
Keith Kounovsky
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90090 25-SEP 19:57 Applications (6809)
RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90074)
From: DBREEDING To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
REVKAK asks:
> Since I use KBCom here on Delphi, I was wondering just exactly what is
> the procedure to get the Vt100 "movies" into KBCom to view them. Please
> enlighten me as to this new use. Any help is appreciated.
TIM's response:
> Unfortunately, it requires another computer or a null modem cable
> and two serial ports under OS9.
> - Tim Kientzle
I may have a solution. Using a terminal program that supports ASCII send,
simply connect to your modem and leaving it on-hook, echoing, send the
file.. The modem will echo the data back to the term program and it works
quite well. I don't have KBCom, but using SuperComm, which has something
of an "ANSI" mode, will get through the process fairly well. In trying
"trek", it seems that about 600 Baud is as fast as it can go... must be
losing data... when the outpost blows up, any faster rate and the effects
of the explosion don't work right... It isn't the BEST way, but at least
you can see what is going on.
I have G-Windows, and it is vt100.. I was able to just "merge" or "list".
They go by a little fast, as apparently the baud rate doesn't seem to affect
the speed from the keyboard, but they do work.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90102 26-SEP 00:31 Applications (6809)
RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90070)
From: DIGIGRADE To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
I LOVE V-Term. The menus are a bit kludgy to get through but it's I'm
shure the only RS-DOS term program that actually multitasks! :) The file
handling is great too IE: Ramdisk, not just a buffer, and enhanced control
over the ram and normal RS-DOS drives. My first term program. Of course I
soon went to OS9, and then when I went back to RS-DOS I used Ultimaterm
because I forgot my way around V-Term and Ultimaterm had more of an OSTerm
feel. :) V-Term is great though. Oh, yea, I liked to get colored ANSI garbage
that V-Term filtered out also. <g>
Dave
_____________________________________________________________________________
|Dave Pellerito - <digigrade@delphi.com> | Posted using InfoXpress |
|Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK |
|"I can handle more than one thought, more than|____________________________|
| one task at a time, so why should I use a computer that doesn't?" OS9/OSK |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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End of Thread.
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90082 25-SEP 17:43 Programmers Den
RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90029)
From: CPERRAULT To: JMURPHY
>>TYPE regs=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER
This should get you started. You need to pass ALL the
registers, not just the ones you are going to use.<<
Thanks for the info John. That seems to have gotten me started.
It was succesfull, SORT of. I got it to work but when it list the
files, it returns an error #015 after each file, and it lists them all
as NOT a directory, even if it is a directory file. Should I
initialize some other variables perhaps? A #15 error btw, indicates an
illegal mode, but I don't know where this comes from. It's possible
that the second error is a result of the first maybe.
Here's the updated code...
PROCEDURE dirsyscall
TYPE file=filename(29),lsn(3):BYTE
TYPE regs=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
DIM register:regs
DIM fd_att:BYTE
DIM name:file
DIM count,count1:INTEGER
DIM pointer:INTEGER
DIM temp:STRING
DIM diskpath:BYTE
DIM opt(1):BYTE
fd_att:=$00
register.a:=diskpath
register.b:=$0F
register.x:=ADDR(opt)
register.y:=1
OPEN #diskpath,".":READ+DIR
WHILE EOF(#diskpath)<>TRUE DO
GET #diskpath,name
IF name.filename(1)<>0 THEN
count=0
temp=""
REPEAT
count=count+1
temp:=temp+CHR$(LAND(name.filename(count),$7F))
UNTIL count=0 OR name.filename(count)>127 OR name.filename(count )=0
PRINT temp
RUN syscall($0F,register)
IF LAND(fd_att,$80)=0 THEN
PRINT "is not a directory!"
endif
IF LAND(fd_att,$80)=1 THEN
PRINT "is a Directory!"
ENDIF
ENDIF
ENDWHILE
CLOSE #diskpath
END
For some reason the '1' on the dir attribute bit is not being set
when it should.
>Chris<
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90092 25-SEP 20:25 Programmers Den
RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90082)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: CPERRAULT
Chris, you got several things going wrong here. First off, you are setting
register.a to diskpath BEFORE you open the path. But in this case, that
doesn't matter. SS.Fd works on a path open to the target file. Diskpath is
open to the parent dir. So....
Dim path2:byte
...
Print temp
Open #path2, temp
register.a=path2
RUN syscall($8d,register)
Close #path2
If LAND(register.cc,1)=1 then
(do something about the error from getstat)
Randy
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End of Thread.
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90083 25-SEP 17:43 General Information
RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90054)
From: CPERRAULT To: DIGIGRADE
>>Could someone please reply to me with the When Where and How
Much for the upcoming Atlantafest? I just decided I have to go and I
need info.<<
Hi again Dave...
When? October 1&2
Where? Northlake Holiday Inn, in Northlake, Atlanta
You can call up the Holiday Inn at 800-465-4329 or 404-938-1026
to make reservations<and mention the fest rate I think>.
How Much? $10.00 for the whole show(What a setback<Grin>)
Also, the transcript for the most recent OS-9 Late Night is in
the New Uploads section(or should be by now. I haven't checked). The
topic was the Atlanta fest and we had Newton White of the ACS on hand
answering questions about it.
See Ya
>Chris<
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90098 25-SEP 23:17 General Information
RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90075)
From: CHARLESAM To: MRUPGRADE
Your right of course, luck of the draw has alot to do with it. And I can usually
do a game in the vicinity of five minutes. That is either get the Dragon
or see that I won't succeed. That should give me four games at least. Believe
me, I seen some nasty boards at times, and some times they follow one another.
Be just my luck to get skunked four in a row. It should be fun though! I'm
looking forward to it. See you there. ...Charlie...
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90101 26-SEP 00:16 General Information
RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90098)
From: MRUPGRADE To: CHARLESAM
If youo can usually do a gmae in five minutes or less,,, well, ya
might be just a tad ahead of me. I usually run 10 or well less,, somemwhere
in th 6 to 8 range. As I've said on a good night,, I whip 3 straight
games/ each different/ each in theh first try. Toho that's exceptipional
not the rule. Or every now and then. One night I ran 5 straight and
quit. That's my record. it seemed so easy,, I darn near quit.
A tip,, as you may know,, try early when your mind is fresh.
Til then,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90111 26-SEP 21:00 General Information
RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90101)
From: JEJONES To: MRUPGRADE
Hmmm...maybe I should switch back to the canonical tile set; the default
I use with the "tiles" program is probably easier to distinguish. tiles
keeps the top times, which reinforces attempts at speed rather than solving
all the configurations. (I'll say...looking at the stats in another window,
I see that I've won about 17 percent of the games I've played.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90115 26-SEP 23:34 General Information
RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90111)
From: MRUPGRADE To: JEJONES (NR)
I've seen some of th variety tile on the Amiga. Like in chess
whenever you deviate from theh standard set,, it detracts from your
concentration. thus you never see a chess player worth his salt (a good
one) playing with one of the fancy carved sets. Those are for TV shows
and ol' mens parlors.
but da ya mean,, I get to beat the britches off "James Jones"?
Get out your standard set,, and practice James. Practice,, practice.
til then,,, Terry g
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90084 25-SEP 17:44 General Information
OS-9 Late Night
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
Here's my Sunday reminder...
****OS-9 Late Night:Nitros9 and Tune-Up w/Northern Xposure****
Monday Night September 26, at 10:00 pm Eastern
Alan Dekok, and perhaps even Colin McKay(not sure about Colin
yet), will be online to discuss the soon to be released Nitros9 update
and also ANOTHER one of Alan's projects(these guys DO keep busy!)
called Tune-Up which enhances a stock 6809 Level II system for those
who don't want to go 6309.
When is a tentative date for the release of Nitros9?
How much will it cost?
Is 19.2K going to be a reality!?!?
Is Tune-Up at all comparable to Nitros9?
I don't have the answer to all these questions, but tomorrow
night plenty of light will be shed by Northern Xposure, so don't miss
out :-)
See Ya
>Chris<
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90100 25-SEP 23:29 General Information
RE: OS-9 Late Night (Re: Msg 90084)
From: KSCALES To: CPERRAULT
> ****OS-9 Late Night:Nitros9 and Tune-Up w/Northern Xposure****
> Monday Night September 26, at 10:00 pm Eastern
>
> Alan Dekok, and perhaps even Colin McKay(not sure about Colin
> yet), will be online to discuss the soon to be released Nitros9 update
> and also ANOTHER one of Alan's projects(these guys DO keep busy!)
Yes, both Colin and Alan will be borrowing my account to participate
in the conference. Colin says he can only stay for an hour, so don't
be late!
Cheers... / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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90085 25-SEP 17:49 General Information
RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89869)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: DBREEDING
Glad to know that I am not the only one having occasional problems
with MVcanvas. I just replaced most of my hardware because of
intermittant crashes and I woundn't want to think I still have
hardware problems. Thanks for the reply...
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90086 25-SEP 17:51 General Information
RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89883)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: COCOKIWI
The RS232 spec indicates a voltage range, not a specific voltage and
I believe the Ken-Ton pak is on the low end of that range. If a serial
mouse requires 12 volts, it may not work.
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90095 25-SEP 22:07 General Information
RE: smouse (Re: Msg 90086)
From: COCOKIWI To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
I use a Microsoft mouse on mine using a RatShack RS232.....pak!
Dennis
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90087 25-SEP 18:06 General Information
Line Printer V
From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
A friend of mine got a hold of a Tandy Line Printer V. It has a
Centronics 36 pin connector in it, but I am not sure if it is serial
or parallel. Does anyone know this or should I just connect it to
see if it works? I was under the impression that all the older Tandy
printers were serial.
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90088 25-SEP 18:35 General Information
RE: Line Printer V (Re: Msg 90087)
From: DSRTFOX To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
The linprinters were all PARALLEL ports! None of the Tandy printers were
serial until the CoCo came along, with the exception of a few daisy wheel
printers.
The TRS-80 models used parallel printers also. The CoCo was designed toe
a low cost system, and it was determined that a serial port would make more
sense,
because it could be used for several different devices and also could be
partially
software driven, reducing the amount of hardware needed (therefore reducing
costs).
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90089 25-SEP 19:52 Telecom (6809)
Modem commands
From: TAULBORG To: ALL
I am haveing major problems trying to get what I type while in command
mode to show up on the screen.I have a PC Logic 2400 modem and when I
type in a command such as ATDT or anything else it doesn't show up on
the screen!If ANYBODY can help with this PLEASE do!My modem should be
and I am sure that it it is Hayes compatible.PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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90091 25-SEP 20:17 Telecom (6809)
RE: Modem commands (Re: Msg 90089)
From: DBREEDING To: TAULBORG
> I am haveing major problems trying to get what I type while in command
> mode to show up on the screen.
> type in a command such as ATDT or anything else it doesn't show up on
> the screen!
> and I am sure that it it is Hayes compatible.
You are using a CoCo? Probably is not set to send a carrier detect. The
ACIA will not receive anything from the modem until it senses a Carrier
Detect.. The Hayes command is "at&c0".
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90116 26-SEP 23:46 Telecom (6809)
RE: Modem commands (Re: Msg 90091)
From: TAULBORG To: DBREEDING (NR)
tHANKS I'll try it!Hope it works!
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90093 25-SEP 21:17 General Information
What to wear??
From: MRUPGRADE To: BOISY
I wuz wonderin',, Y'all be'in from the southern region??
What to wear? I mean if I were going to TX or Tennesse,,, I getta pair of
boots and a Garth Brooks hat. But is that kosher in Atlanta? I thought
about bernuda shorts,,, but maybe that's not far enough south? Besides
red-necks don't like shorts, right?
Lemme know,, I'll catch theh DAV for a new wardrobe before I go.
Til then,,, Terry g
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90109 26-SEP 20:35 General Information
RE: What to wear?? (Re: Msg 90093)
From: DSRTFOX To: MRUPGRADE
Bluejeans and a T-shirt Terry...
Actually, you just wear what you do in Iowa... country bumpkins blend right in
with red-necks every day....
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90114 26-SEP 23:29 General Information
RE: What to wear?? (Re: Msg 90109)
From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> Country bumkins blend right in....
I'm rollin' on the floor.
Good reply Frank. terry g
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90094 25-SEP 21:25 General Information
RE: less than a week left... (Re: Msg 90080)
From: JOHNBAER To: JEJONES
> Holy cow...less than a week until Atlanta. Once again I'll go see old
> friends and spend money. :-) ^^^
OLD!!!! Hey! Watch that!!! <G>.
Will see you there James... and spend $$$ <g>.
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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90096 25-SEP 22:17 General Information
RE: Seagate HD info (Re: Msg 90066)
From: COCOKIWI To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
its a 43 meg drive 2 heads 820 cyl ...auto land zone....
don,t have the other info!
Dennis
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90097 25-SEP 22:34 General Information
RE: annoying process # (Re: Msg 90065)
From: HAWKSOFT To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
Ted!
> OS9 naivete on display! Been trying to write a bit of BASIC code to fork
> a background process from within another BASIC program. Have found that
> this approach works:
>
> DIM mod1:string[10]
> mod1="testproc &"
> shell mod1
>
> In this example, testproc would be packed and stored in the execution
> directory. Only problem is this puts the process id (e.g., +13) assigned
> to testprocs on the screen of the main program. I dont want that +13
> popping up on the screen of the main program so is there a modification,
> perhaps to line #3 above using /nil, that would avoid it? Thanks
Try using a syscall (as Tim said in his message). The +13 comes from the
Shell.
Try This:
PROCEDURE forktest
TYPE registers=dat(8),add(5):INTEGER
DIM regs:registers
DIM callcode:INTEGER
DIM name:STRING[32]
DIM parm:STRING[256]
name:="dir"
REM program name
callcode:=3
REM F$Fork
regs.dat(1):=0
REM lang/type code (0=any)
regs.dat(2):=32000
REM optional mem modifier
regs.dat(3):=256
REM size of param memory
regs.dat(4):=3
REM number of paths to inherit
regs.dat(5):=130
REM priority setting
regs.add(1):=ADDR(name)
regs.add(3):=ADDR(parm)
regs.add(2):=0
RUN syscall(callcode,regs)
Works for me!!!
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************
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90099 25-SEP 23:22 OSK Applications
Ghostscript
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNREED
John,
I've finally begun to play with Ghostscript. Unfortunately, I haven't
had much luck yet. I'm using gs2 rev. 3.
I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout. If I try
to use the escp2 device, nothing happens. Specifically, I try to
process chess.ps. GS runs for a while then drops to a GS> prompt.
No file is created in /dd/tmp.
The command line I tried is:
gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 chess.ps
Any ideas?
Hugp
er, Hugo
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90108 26-SEP 19:55 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90099)
From: JOHNREED To: MRGOOD
> John,
>
> I've finally begun to play with Ghostscript. Unfortunately, I haven't
> had much luck yet. I'm using gs2 rev. 3.
>
> I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout. If I try
> to use the escp2 device, nothing happens. Specifically, I try to
> process chess.ps. GS runs for a while then drops to a GS> prompt.
> No file is created in /dd/tmp.
>
> The command line I tried is:
>
> gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 chess.ps
>
> Any ideas?
>
First, due to a little oversight by yours truly, Ghostscript likes
to find its target directory in env variable TEMP -- AND, it has
to end with a slash. --setenv TEMP /dd/tmp/--. Without that,
you might find the output in your working directory with a name
that starts with "tmp". (oops)
You can also set your own path on the command line by changing
your line to
gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 -sOUTPUTFILE=chess.printer chess.ps
("chess.printer") could be replaced by ANY legal os9 name or
complete path.
Then, "merge" the printer file to the printer.
-sOUTPUTFILE=/p also works -- but you have to zero all the
values in the printer descriptor first. (with xmode).
That should get it working for you. Yell if you still have
trouble.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90112 26-SEP 21:00 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90099)
From: JEJONES To: MRGOOD
> I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout. If I try
> to use the escp2 device, nothing happens.
Have you tried the -sOUTPUTFILE option? When I've tried
-sOUTPUTFILE=/p
it worked just fine for me. (I had to turn off the tabc and lf options on
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90113 26-SEP 22:39 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90108)
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNREED (NR)
OK, I'll give it a try.
Hugo
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90103 26-SEP 00:43 General Information
terminal specs
From: THESCHU To: ALL
HELP!!!
I have a case of terminal unknown settings. What I mean is that I have a
'MicroData'
Terminal, model ' PRIZIM ' , yes that is the model, and i need to find some docs
or atlease the settings for the three sets of dip switches in the back.
Is there anyone out there who may know about this model, please leave me some
e-mail.
Thanks for listening to a desperate man.
THESCHU
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90104 26-SEP 08:37 System Modules (6809)
printers
From: DONALDS To: MARTYGOODMAN
Marty;
I am looking at getting a new printer. What I would like to get is a
LASER printer Will this work with a COCO3 and the parallel port on a
disto 4n1 board. I thought I remembered you listing a pinout for it or
at least some instruction on how to hook one up in the '68 Micro
a while back. could you help me with this ? Can this connection be
made thru the use of just a parrallel cable?
Don
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90110 26-SEP 20:45 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90104)
From: MARTYGOODMAN To: DONALDS (NR)
I see no reason why a laser printer can't be physically hooked to
the parallel port of a Disto 4 in 1 board. Tho I have heard of ONE
case where a CoCo style serial to parallel printer COULD NOT
work with the parallel port of a given make and model of EPson
printer, due to some obscure timing problem on the strobe line.
The main problem I see, tho, is that most Laser Printers work in
Hewlet Packard Laserjet - compatible mode, which requires long
escape sequences to define fonts, underline, bold, etc. No CoCo
software I know of supports this. Some laser printers, tho,
can be set to emulate an Epson printer, and this might make things
easier for use with CoCo word processing programs.
---marty
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90117 26-SEP 23:47 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90110)
From: ISC To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
Marty,
The only program for the CoCo that I know of which supports long escape
sequences for printers is VPrint from Bob van der Poel. If VPrint is used
with a good text editor, powerful word processing is possible with OS9 and
probably a laser printer too.
Bill
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90105 26-SEP 19:25 General Information
I have the nubers @ At Fest
From: MRUPGRADE To: AL DAGES (NR)
Well,, Al,, I've got it figured out. If I can sign up 387 new MI&CC
members at our booth,, I'll justify the trip.
how many are comming anyway???
Do ya suppose I can get sum'uv'em to sign up TWICE! ??
But it will be fun. see y'all there,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90106 26-SEP 19:28 General Information
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90063)
From: JOHNREED To: LUCKYONE (NR)
> I have started using GhostScript v2.6x and I want to thank you and anyone
> else who made it available to the OSK world. I've had v2.4 for a long time
Thanks Howard, and thanks too for the tip on the books.
The REAL credit for Ghostscript goes to L. Peter Deutsch of Aladdin,
(ghost@aladdin.com) and a long list of helpers.
I just fumbled with it until I got the MM/1 and the GNU compiler
to swallow it without choking. (GRIN).
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90107 26-SEP 19:28 OSK Applications
New Tex Upload
From: JOHNREED To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim,
Grabbed your new TeX system over the weekend.
Followed your instructions, ran the install script
and sat back and watched.
Nice Job!
So far, everything works just as it should on my machine
(MM/1a, 9-meg).
The ONLY error message I saw was when Metafont (called by
dvips) tried to copy it's ".tfm" files into
"/dd/sys/tex/fonts/tfm/new" - no "/new" directory. I assume
the "/new" directory would be there to save new ".tfm".s in
case they were not in the TFM dir already. That error did
NOT stop the program.
I tested the regular executables first, then installed the
ones in the "BIG" directory, using your instructions and
scripts again. Then ran a HUGE tex file that I had been
unable to run before. (It worked, of course)
Now all I have to do is read all those doc files, and maybe
buy another book.
Looks like you put a lot of time into this one -- Thanks.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90118 27-SEP 00:22 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90110)
From: REVKAK To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
Vprint from Van Der Poel supports the long escape sequences. Ask
Zack Sessions at Colorsystems. He uses a laser printer for his
documentation manuals.
Keith
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90122 27-SEP 01:13 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90110)
From: COCOKIWI To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
Wrong! Marty! ALL CERCOMP software are Laser compatible!...Window master..
his Word proc....and others support HP..laser II I think!
Dennis
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90123 27-SEP 01:20 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90110)
From: COCOKIWI To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
looked it up! Using TEXTPRO IV on CoCo-3 with a OKIDATA LaserLine6 laser
printer...He did his manuals with it!.....Dennis
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90119 27-SEP 01:02 General Information
RE: atari format (Re: Msg 90049)
From: WA2EGP To: JOHNBAER
The problem is that I don't have time to read and do stuff I want........
work keeps getting in the way!
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90120 27-SEP 01:04 General Information
RE: Humor (Re: Msg 90056)
From: WA2EGP To: GREGL (NR)
That reminds me of the "old" days when my college used a IBM 1401 mainframe.
After a job, it printed on one whole sheet of paper, "Please conserve paper."
That did as much paper saving as a dump to the line printer.
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90121 27-SEP 01:06 General Information
RE: atari_format (Re: Msg 90061)
From: WA2EGP To: PHXKEN (NR)
I got it. I completely forgot that I HAD a descriptor for Atari. It was
"hidden" in my bootmods directory. I just gotta sit down and RTFM again.
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90124 27-SEP 20:05 System Modules (6809)
Disto SCSI board
From: DAVID106 To: ALL
Is it still possible to get the Disto host adapters for CoCo's?
I've had a Quantum 105LPS laying around for some time now, and figure
it might be nice to actually be able to use it. I'd need a disto
board, because I have a fried slot in my multi-pak, so it needs to go
in with the disk controller.
Thanx in advance,
Dave
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90125 27-SEP 20:35 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:Recap
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
Last nights installment of OS-9 Late Night went pretty well.
There wasn't a lot of people in attendance. Maybe a couple under
average(it was up there for a little while). There was a LOT of
information gained from this conference and I really appreciate Colin
and Alan taking the time to visit us. The transcript will be uploaded
and available in the New Uploads section real soon, so check it out
for full information. V1.20 should be shipping this week, and they
will also have copies at the fest if you are going. It sounds like a
killer package. Heck with trying to get source to Level II from MW and
Tandy, let's just jump on the Nitros9 bandwagon, where the software is
the most up to date yet, and we don't have to do much of anything.
Next week our conference will be..."The Atlanta Fest Fallout!"
Lets hear how the fest went and discuss where to take things from
there!
I will have the complete October schedual soon, and when it is
finished I will hand it over to Mike Rowen who will post it here and
as well as all the other areas<Cocolist,os9er'slist,Comp.os.os9,etc.>
that he has access to. He is posting a complete schedual of all
conferences happening on all the services, so if anyone has one coming
up, please email him your info.
>Chris<
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90126 27-SEP 20:35 Programmers Den
RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90092)
From: CPERRAULT To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
>>Diskpath is open to the parent dir. So....<<
So what your saying is that register.a needs a path that is open
directly to the filename itself, and not the directory? I'm not sure I
understand it correctly. I'll give your example a shot, as well as
what you mailed me :-)
Thanks...
>Chris<
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90127 27-SEP 20:54 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90112)
From: MRGOOD To: JEJONES
James,
It appears your message 90112 was cut off at the end. Is it only
tabc and lf that I have to zero out?
Hugo
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90128 27-SEP 21:17 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90108)
From: MRGOOD To: JOHNREED (NR)
I'm still having trouble :-(
I've used the following command line to successfully create a test file:
gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 -sOUTPUTFILE=/dd/tmp/test.print -r360x360 chess.ps
The resulting file is 374669 bytes long. When I send it to the printer
by using:
merge test.print >/p
The first text line of the file prints and the first half of the first
chessboard row prints. The page then ejects, some garbage that vaguely
resembles the chessboard is printed in a 1/2" strip, then the page
ejects and another line of garbage is printed, etc etc.
My printer is an Epson Stylus 300 inkjet with ESC/P2 capability. The
computer is a regular 3 Meg MM1.
Any ideas?
Hugo
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RE: ATLANTA FEST (Re: Msg 90191)
From: CHARLESAM To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Geez Frank, what kept you? You live right around the corner if I'm not
mistaken. I reformatted my Hard drive already. Now I have to reload it.
I'll never know how much material I lost. At least my HD is back in action.
Now I just have to install the second drive. The fest was fun and I met
some real good folks there(in person). I'll do it again if it happens next
year, and I believe it will. Later Charlie
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90193 3-OCT 04:30 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90174)
From: EDELMAR To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim,
Haven't had a chance to really exercise your new versions of XY and Z.
Don't expect to get to them for a couple of weeks.
I did try to download your new TEX stuff. First attempt was at 14400.
Got 2,143,232 bytes of the latex_tar.gz file and then error'd out. Time was
1 hr 11 minutes. Wasn't able to successfully download the 2 files following.
This morning I logged in at 9600 and was able to successfully download
latex_tar.gz, tar and gzip using XY. Time for latex_tar.gz was 1 hr 13
minutes. Works out to about 5158 baud.
Ed
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90196 3-OCT 18:57 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90174)
From: MITHELEN To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
I've used xyz a few times...So far, I can't recall any perticular problems
in the transfer part, alhough, I have noticed, that if frorked from
a shell (<ESC>S) in sterm, and you are at the bottem of the screen when you
start it, it will whipe out the transfer stats line when it finishes (ie. you
need to put in an extra CR or two to scroll the screen after it is done..)
--
Paul
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90197 3-OCT 19:09 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90174)
From: JOHNBAER To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim,
Been using the Ymodem-G side to download from a doz BBS
that's local to me.. Works every time. It does do some
hand shacking first, then down comes the files.
Will get back to you later after I do some uploading
and see how that goes Tim.
Haven't tryed the x/ymodem yet, as I saw your interest
in the ymodem-g side of it. So far so good<g>.
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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90194 3-OCT 05:30 OSK Applications
RE: New Tex Upload (Re: Msg 90173)
From: EDELMAR To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim,
> Oops. Yeah, you should create /dd/sys/tex/fonts/tfm/new, ...
Found that one the hard way. Another caveat - the directories created
under 'tar' did not have their execution bits set. I used the version of
tar you provided. Couldn't load the required programs when running the
'install.script'. Once the 'e' attributes were set, everything went fine.
Ran 'sample' and 'short' through to my laser printer (has post script) -
print out was fine. 'story' is missing something. When runing 'latex story.
tex', it comes up with '! Undefined control sequence' (and more).
From your docs, I gather you've been working with TEX, fonts, etc. for quite
a while and perhaps you can help me. Is info available for extracting
Adobe fonts? What kind of license do they require? How about the TEX fonts?
I've talked to AGFA, Bitstream and Linotype - they want anywhere from
$20,000 to $35,000 for a license. I wasn't able to get through to the
right people at Adobe Systems. Need is two-fold - first for G-WINDOWS and
secondly, for the FAX program I writing.
From my investigation, I gather that most type faces are not copyrighted
but font names are as are the methods of storing and extracting. I haven't
talked to my attorney about this yet but do you have any info on this?
Ed
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90195 3-OCT 18:51 General Information
RE: Atlfest (Re: Msg 90168)
From: MITHELEN To: RICKULAND (NR)
Welp,,, I just woke up (well, about 40 minutes ago), after my 14 hour drive
back from Atlanta. You presence was truely missed Rick... Fortunately, I talked
Scott G. into rideing back with me, instead of useing the plane ticket he
already bought, otherwise, I would not have survived the trip, because, the
other two car loads of people from Chicago decided to stay another night...
As usual, the Fest was a great deal of Fun... And I ended up missing most
of the szemimars again (I did get to see the tail end of Kevin Darlings
seminar) At least I FIANLLY got to see the Stone Mountain Laser show this
year... For those that have never been to an Atlanta Fest. Hope that
they have one next year so you have an excuse to go down to see this Laser
Show!.. it is truely a spetacular event, and qworth ever penny of the 5$
parking fee.
I actually bought some software this year! Gold Runner 2000! What an EXCELLENT
new varation of an old classic... This is a MUST buy program for every MM/1
owner!
It was also verty cool to see a CDi machine actually running an OS-9 shell,
and playing around to see what was REALLY on the CDi disks...
Welp, I got to eat "breakfast", and go to work... I'll let someone else fill
in nore details....
--
Paul
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90198 3-OCT 22:37 Programmers Den
blobstopper
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
Hi all, got one fur ya thats got me a bit puzzled. I grabbed the file
blobstop_v10.ar from chestnut last nite, a file which purports to be
the actual, we've been looking for it for 8 years now, blob killer.
Well, after splitting up the kernel and applying the patches to both
Boot and the disto cc3disk, I attempted to use "merge" to re-assemble
it. 7 flippin times! Each and every time, the os9p1 was trashed for
about 50 bytes starting at offset $D3F into the kernel file it made.
I screwed around for a couple of hours with it. Finally, in desperation,
I made the new kernel with "cpa" one file at a time for all 5 files
that are generated by my own vfy ed 11. That one vfy'd ok, and its
working right now.
Has anyone else ever had such a problem with merge? Edition 5, crc=6AD7A5
Just curious, its never done anything like that before, but it was
absolutely consistent in where it messed up the output file this
one time. 6 times that is.
Gene, WDTV5@delphi.com
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90199 3-OCT 23:32 General Information
UUCPbb 2.1 Announcement
From: BOISY To: ALL
UUCPbb v2.1 has been uploaded to the /incoming directory on
chestnut.cs.wisc.edu. Shortly, it will be move to its permanent directory.
Due to differences in compression between the OS-9/68K and OS-9/6809 version
of LHA, we have decided to use the lowest common denominator for archiving.
Since OS-9/6809 LHA 2.11b and OS-9/68K LHA 2.01 generate compatible archive
files, these are the archivers that were used for this package. For this
reason, OS-9/68K should use LHA 2.01 dearchive these files.
All the archives were created with LHA 2.11b. To burst the archives under
OS-9/6809 you will either need LHA211 or UNLZH7. Both are available on
chestnut.cs.wisc.edu and Delphi.
UUCPbb v2.0 made its debut back in April. This update fixes most, I hope,
of the bugs reported to me since then. This includes the mutant RNEWS which
got itself into v2.0. Thanks to Brad Spencer, RNEWS was completely rewritten
making it a lot faster and more reliable. The package is now completely user
configurable. The only hard-coded directory is /DD/SYS/UUCP.
What UUCPbb is NOT
------------------
UUCPbb allows you to run a UUCP node on your OS-9 system. UUCPbb is NOT a
terminal program. UUCPbb is not a BBS program; although it could be
interfaced with one. UUCPbb will NOT connect you to the Internet. You can
make use of some systems which are on Internet and provide access via e-mail,
but you will not be on the Internet. So, sorry, no FTP or SLIP. These are
not part of UUCP. (There are FTP mailservers on the net, so you still have
indirect access to FTP sites.)
So what the heck is it?
-----------------------
UCPbb is an update of the UUCP software Rick Adams wrote a few years ago for
the Tandy Color Computer 3 running OS-9 Level 2. It gives you a way to hook
your CoCo or OSK machine to the world UUCP network for exchanging email, news
and files. The original software has been extensively rewritten with many new
features added. It was ported to OS-9/68K; although not to OS-9000--yet. ;-)
The features include:
* Calling multiple systems from a single command line
* Ability to process mail after each call, after all call (when calling
more than one system), or not until a later time.
* Retrying a call every few minutes if the initial call fails
* Improved logging of call progress and error messages.
* Tested with UUCPs on DEC Ultrix, Taylor (GNU), UUPC (MS-DOS), whatever
UUNET Technologies uses, HoneyDanBer, and itself.
* Improved mailer with lots more features. In addition, Jeff Shepler's
Elm-like mailer, Palm, is has been ported.
* Software to let you read and send Usenet news.
* Mini-listserver written and donated Rick. (Thanks Rick!)
Now you, too, can be a fileserver! :-)
* Utilities to do UUCP administrative chores.
How much does it cost?
----------------------
Zilch...nada...nothing! Thanks to Rick, UUCPbb is released as free software
under the GNU General Public License.
Where do I get it?
------------------
The official site for this and all updates will be the OS-9 archive site on
the Internet. Right now, this chestnut.cs.wisc.edu. It will also be posted
to Delphi, Compuserv and various landline BBS. Official updates will always
show up on chestnut first. It will probably be on the OS-9 mirror archive
site, wuarchive, after a short while.
What do I need?
---------------
For OS-9/6809, a 512K (128K may work but it hasn't been tested) CoCo 3 running
OS-9 Level 2, with a hard drive. Floppies may work, but it will be painfully
slow (I know ran it on 720K *halting* floppy controller system!) a C compiler
if you will be compiling the source yourself. Or you can get the "add water
and stir" executables.
For OSK, you need any OSK machine with either Microware's Ultra C or C
compiler ver3.2. I received one report that GCC was also used to successfully
compile the code.
You need the following files in order to compile and run this software:
uucpbb21.lzh -the source code
uub21doc.lzh -documentation and miscellaneous files
Not required but a good idea for OS-9/6809:
clib1990.lzh -this is the 1990 edition of Carl Kreider's CLIB
cc250.lzh -latest replacement of Carl Kreider's C compiler executive
The "add water and stir" version for either OSK or the CoCo is a second
option. Unfortunately, these executable files are rather large. Sorry, there
is no real way to crunch them down significantly.
The CoCo executables were compiled both with and without termcap support. The
OSK execuatables were compiled only with termcap support.
For OSK, you need the file:
uub21osk.lzh -executable modules for OS-9/68K
For the CoCo, you can choose between two files:
uub21os91.lzh -executable modules for OS-9/6809 with a 6809
uub21os92.lzh -executable modules for OS-9/6809 with a 6309
If you opt for the executable files, you will also need the docs archive.
Questions, comments, suggests and bug reports can be sent by e-mail to me.
Share and enjoy! More is on its way! ;-)
Bob <bob@kc2wz.bubble.org>
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90201 4-OCT 19:18 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90161)
From: JOHNREED To: MRGOOD
> Unfortunately, the MM1 is my only computer. I can't take my Stylus 300
> to work....
>
> BTW, lines.ps messes up the same way that chess.ps does. I get about an
> inch of good printout, then I get a mess :-). I guess I'll have to
> try a shorter cable. How long is the one you use?
>
> Hugo
>
I have two 6-foot cables (that's the shortest I have seen). The
one that works came from a local discount store ("Office MAX") and
cost about $6.95. (The one that won't work cost about $10 - go
figure).
This printer cable business drove me NUTS for a while -- at one time
I had the DeskJet and the EPSON connected via two serial switching
boxes to both computers, so I could switch either computer to either
printer (Cables all over the desk) and everything seemed to work.
Then I started having trouble with the Ghostscript --> Epson output.
I hunted for bugs in the driver for some time, and then fed the
output file from Ghostscript to the EPSON from the "386" - and
it worked. Thats when I started swapping cables and found only
one that would let me feed the file from the MM/1 directly to the
EPSON. ((all this time, text files were ok -- just the binary
printer files were screwed up)). I thought maybe I was getting a
weak signal from the MM/1 -- maybe just not quite enough for the
EPSON -- so I borrowed one of those "printer selector" boxes for
a test -- I figured it's buffer would help -- nope. The short
(cheap) cable is the only thing that works. It must be something
involving timing -- something is just barely within the limit, and
any stray inductance/capacitance in the cable pushes it past the
edge of the "gate".
Funny, the mouse that works best with my MM/1 came in a plain
white box -- just said "MOUSE" - cost $9.95. This computer wants
plain peripherials - no fancy stuff please.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90222 5-OCT 23:09 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90201)
From: WA2EGP To: JOHNREED (NR)
Strangly enough, I have two types of parallel printer cables here. Seems the
older type are wired differently on a few lines. They don't work on PCs
either. I have a 6 footer that works on my MM/1 but I haven't had the time
(or the guts <g>) to send anything to the printer using ghostscript...yet.
Will let you know how it works out. IF anything fails, it will fail on my
system (grin).
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90202 4-OCT 19:18 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90145)
From: JOHNREED To: JEJONES
> > Is it only
> > tabc and lf that I have to zero out?
>
> That's all that I've had to do--after all, the other fields control the
> processing of characters *input* from the SCF device, not of *output*.
>
Right, of course. My "zerop" script is overkill -- tab and linefeed
were the troublemakers. I just keep zeroing everything out of habit.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90203 4-OCT 19:19 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90166)
From: JOHNREED To: DIGIGRADE
> I'm currently wrighting an ESCp2 thingy that will let you type
> 'escp2 wide >/p' and it will send the code to the printer. I'm getting the
> codes from the owner's manual. Are there any codes I'm missing? Like real
> DTP functions or text handling? (I plan to later write a WYSIWYG DTP
program
> that uses ESCp2. I have an AP3250 (a damn fine dot matrix printer don't you
If your manual is like the one that came with my printer, all the
commands are there, just a little weak on explanations. The reference
manual has lots of programming examples. My reference manual is
a 1991 edition, and the AP3250 is not there -- newer.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90204 4-OCT 19:19 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90162)
From: JOHNREED To: JRUPPEL
> If I have any questions, I will be in touch! Enjoy the great frozen north!
> The U.P. is one of my favorite places on the planet...especially the
> Keeweenau Penninsula. Have a great trip! TTYL
We did! Nice weather - clear and cool. Wanted to stay up there, but
the Michigan Lottery failed me again, so I had to come back to
Saginaw and go to work.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90206 4-OCT 20:04 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90204)
From: JRUPPEL To: JOHNREED (NR)
$5 Wednesdays and Saturdays for years uncounted....hitting the Lotto jackpot
is about 1000 less likely than getting hit by lightning <G>
John Ruppel
CocoNuts in Lansing
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90205 4-OCT 19:19 OSK Applications
RE: New Tex Upload (Re: Msg 90172)
From: JOHNREED To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
> ........... Anything
> else you'd like to see in there?
Whew! - Quite an upload that will be. I can't think of anything
else to ask for.
>
> P.S. Glad to know the `big' versions work okay. I can't
> run them on my 3meg machine, so I basically just crossed
> my fingers on those. I've been compiling differently-sized
> TeX versions for a long time now, so I was pretty confident
> it would work, but nice to have that confirmed.
>
I finally got the docs for the gcc lib ver 1.08 (600+ pages) to
run. Haven't printed them except for test prints of a few
selected pages -- maybe a booklet (GRIN)..
Now I plan to play with the LaTeX output of GNUPLOT some more -- it
would cause TeX to run out of memory on detailed plots before.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90207 4-OCT 20:13 General Information
RE: Shell+ 2.2a bug (Re: Msg 90182)
From: JWILKERSON To: DENNYWRIGHT
All I can say is that it sure was not.
Seeya
Seeya
-- John
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90208 4-OCT 20:16 General Information
Multivue apps.
From: JWILKERSON To: ALL
Is there a way to make Multivue work with apps that need input from the
keyboard as part of the command to work...
Say use the program AR..... it requires the files to use when running.... What
would need to be done to run it?
sort of a prompt for input and the options and such......
Any help?
Seeya
-- John
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90214 4-OCT 23:35 General Information
RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90208)
From: WDTV5 To: JWILKERSON
I've not fooled with it for quite a while, but as I recall, a ? on the
second line of the xxx.AIF file will cause gshell to open a window and
ask you for "parameters", eg the arguments you would normally enter on
the command line. Hope this is right, and helps.
Cheers John, Gene
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90219 5-OCT 09:22 General Information
RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90214)
From: JWILKERSON To: WDTV5
Ok... thanks.... I will give that a try.
Seeya
-- John
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90221 5-OCT 20:47 General Information
RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90208)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JWILKERSON (NR)
> Is there a way to make Multivue work with apps that need input from
> the keyboard as part of the command to work...
>
> Say use the program AR..... it requires the files to use when running....
> What would need to be done to run it?
>
> sort of a prompt for input and the options and such......
>
> Any help?
GShell+.
In case you may not know, GShell+ is the standard MultiVue graphics shell,
gshell, which has been patched with the "GShell Plus" patch (patch available
here in the Delphi libs).
Once you are running GShell+, just put a ? in line 2 of the AIF. Then, when
you click on the icon, before the app is launched, GShell+ opens up a little
overlay window which prompts "Parameters?". Whatever you enter will be
supplied to the app as standard "command line options".
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes.
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90209 4-OCT 20:46 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:recap
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
Last night we had the 'Atlanta Fest Fallout!', and what a good
LOOONG conference it was. As a matter of fact, for the first time, I
was not the last person there. I don't know how late it went.
Unfortunately, I suffered a couple crashes/freezups through the course
of the night which really screwed me up a lot. We won't have the
transcript, because somehow my capture buffer was lost in the
commotion(I went to edit it just a minute ago, and I entered Ved to
find, yes the file was there, but empty :-( ). It's too bad because a
lot of interesting stuff was discussed.
Thanks to Ken Scales and Colin McKay who took time out(AGAIN!) to
show up online and answer fest related questions, since they had
attended. We who didn't go, found that vendors did reasonably well,
while attendance was down again just a bit. Perhaps we can help(maybe
through the UG) to better promote the next one. I didn't get to do
the conference on it till about a week beforehand, since I didn't have
much time, considering I started not too long ago doing this. Also I
think the fact that both the MOTD and OS-9 Underground suffered
serious delays in getting issues out, contributed quite a bit to the
attendance shortage. They didn't say attendance was bad, just less
than previous shows, but hopefully that trend won't continue.
Anyway, a lot of interesting stuff was talked about such as CD-
I's future potential, and Boisy's presentation, which I hear was
great. They also discussed the 68301(is that right?) board shown by
Kevin Pease and I'm afraid I forget the name of the other person. It
sounded very interesting, but I'll let someone more informed go into
detail for those who are interested. Check out the upcoming issues of
the OS-9 Underground and other magazines which will undoubtably cover
it in some form.
New software was also released which is one trend I'm really
starting to like! :-)
I hope everyone had a good time at the fest, and hope to
personally make it to one in the next year. Sorry 'bout the lack of
transcript this time. I wish there was something I could do about that
:-(
Stop in next Monday night at 10:00 pm est. Farna System's will be
onhand to discuss 'The world of 68k Micros' and his growing line of
Hardware and software, including the Ken-Ton SCSI system! Keep an eye
out for this months(late! sorry) schedual.
See Ya
>Chris<
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90210 4-OCT 20:46 Applications (6809)
Shellplus Path command
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
I included the command 'path=/dd/cmds' in my startup file, and
for some reason the system doesn't read this. When I later type Path=?
to see what paths are specified, it is blank. Am I supposed to enter
the command another way in startup?
Ever since I found out that with shellplus, we have a Path
command just like the dossers, I fell in love. This is very important
for especially with the two paths(chx chd) to manage instead of one.
If I enter it on the command line, it usually works out fine, but not
from startup.
>Chris<
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90215 4-OCT 23:51 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90210)
From: MITHELEN To: CPERRAULT
The problem is, the startup file is ran from it's own shell, and then
when it finishes, a new shell is started by cc3go, and this is the shell
you en up as your "console" shell. There is a version of cc3go in the
database that allows you to set up a /dd/SYS/shell.parameters file, which
it will use when it starts up the console shell. This is what you need to
do to get the "path" variable passed to the console shell...
--
Paul
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90211 4-OCT 20:46 Telecom (6809)
Supercomm
From: CPERRAULT To: RANDYKWILSON
Randy, in Supercomm I have my default data directory set as
/dd/com. The problem is when I go to download, let's say messages, I
will want to capture them to the MESG directory in /dd/com. So at the
download filename prompt, I give the path 'Mesg/os9for.txt' but then
supercomm returns a 216 error. In order for it to work I have to re-
enter the default directory path again, even tho it's the same thing.
The first couple times I noticed this, I just saved the supercomm
defaults with alt-u, but it still doesn't read correctly.
It worked back when I had a different data directory, but since I
changed it it hasn't worked, but I haven't done anything else
different. Have you had this problem before?
>Chris<
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90217 5-OCT 02:04 Telecom (6809)
RE: Supercomm (Re: Msg 90211)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: CPERRAULT
Make sure that your default dir is "/dd/com". Having just "com" can cause
the errors you are seeing. Other than that... dunno. Everything worked here
in my quickie testing.
Randy
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90212 4-OCT 23:25 Programmers Den
rbfed33
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
Hi all, I've just uploaded 2 items to chestnut.cs.wisc.edu - a new rbf
edition 33 for nitros9 users only, contains a patch for ed 28 that is
art-
icular would be interested. The bug that messes with deletes when you are
useing clusters on your disks of more tna 1 sector IS WHUPPED. tna s/b than.
The other item is cprep19.lzh which needs more wider distribution, I see
the very buggy version 18 is the only one there. 19 fixed a lot of crash
coding.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com
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90213 4-OCT 23:32 Programmers Den
RE: rbfed33 (Re: Msg 90212)
From: WDTV5 To: WDTV5
Humm, a line got smashed as usual, when are we gonna get a real editor?
The misssing line refers to Mike Guzzi and his multiple sector clusters,
he in particular would like this one. It fixes the delete function for
him. FTP to chestnut.cs.wisc.edu, cd to "incoming" and grab rbf28to33.lzh.
Cheers all, Gene
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90216 5-OCT 00:46 General Information
RE: rs232 (Re: Msg 80203)
From: MRUPGRADE To: DEMIGOD (NR)
I have several,, but it says,, "youo cannot receive mail" ??
Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90218 5-OCT 03:01 General Information
Gold Runner 2000 Update
From: MREGC To: ALL
Anyone who bought Gold Runner 2000 at the Fest and didn't receive the
minor update I gave out during the show on Sunday should contact me to get
that update.
It's not that big of a deal, but I'm sure you would like to have the
"perfect" version as much as I'd like you to have it. :)
..Eric...
..Digital Frontier Productions...
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90220 5-OCT 19:03 Programmers Den
Fast coco III
From: BILL32H To: ALL
To Everyone ?
This is Bill32h today I stuck a 36.00 mz crystal in my COCO III
works great <g> except :*( the High res mouse port . It worked up
until the time I did the upgrade.
I think that the signal from the cassette port is too fast .The symptoms
are
At about 40 pixels from the top of the screen the mouse pointer lags a
little then proceeds to jump to the very top .So I have no access to
those apx. 40 pix without resorting to the keyboard-mouse :-((.
Question how to slow the signal that drives the port.(If that's even why
the thing is misbehaving)
Any response, theories, guesses ect ... appreciated...
BILL32H
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90225 6-OCT 01:31 Programmers Den
RE: Fast coco III (Re: Msg 90220)
From: COCOKIWI To: BILL32H (NR)
You will need to change the value of the RAMP resistor by the IC pin 1....
R7....this changes the ramp speed ...<was used by CoCo-max> to stop copies!
they changed the value of the ORG...because they changed the speed<software>
in this case changing the Value will fix it,I think<grin> what value is left
to experiment on your part! put a 100k resistor and a 500k ajustable in place
of it,and see what happens!<G>....interesting that it works at 36 meg!
I,m working on a Video poor mans toaster!<grin> the chip uses 36 meg VCO
to the Host ,but uses a 14.xxx Meg chip<old CoCo-1/2 use this xtal>
allows one to interlace a Composite signal and the RGB sig together into one
composite output!.......
Dennis
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90226 6-OCT 04:05 Programmers Den
RE: Fast coco III (Re: Msg 90220)
From: DIGIGRADE To: BILL32H (NR)
> This is Bill32h today I stuck a 36.00 mz crystal in my COCO III
> works great <g> except :*( the High res mouse port . It worked up
> until the time I did the upgrade.
> I think that the signal from the cassette port is too fast.
Sounds great. Hope you get that ironed out. Still sounds great. Are you
running Nitros9 as well?
Dave
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|Dave Pellerito - <digigrade@delphi.com> | Posted using InfoXpress |
|Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK |
|"I can handle more than one thought, more than|____________________________|
| one task at a time, so why should I use a computer that doesn't?" OS9/OSK |
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90223 6-OCT 00:33 Telecom (6809)
usenet
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
Has anybody else attempted to enter a msg into the usenet, group 22 yet?
I made 2 tries in the last couple of days and the msg bounced along with
a nasty-assed msg from the listserver that I was to be ignored. Both
attempts were straight text, typed in while online. When is this system
gonna get a real editor, or issue enough instructs to make this one work?
It bounced the first word of each line like I was attempting to issue
a command to the editor instead of simply entering the text I typed.
When it got to the 10th line (and error) is when I got back a msg that
till someone else sends a re-instatement msg to the listserver I am to
be ignored. Thats getting under my skin a bit, after all I do pay for
the service and to my knowledge have NOT used my 20 hrs a month (10 on
the net) at any time.
No Cheers tonite, Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com
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90224 6-OCT 00:35 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 90167)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: DENNYWRIGHT (NR)
ok it will be in new uploads section
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90227 6-OCT 04:05 General Information
NTSC or Composite from RGB-A signal
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
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From the Graphics Support SIG...
>6427 Wed 5-Oct-94 01:45 General Information (0)
> RE: NTSC or Composite from RGB-A signal (Re: Msg 6412)
> From: DI414 To: DIGIGRADE (NR)
>
>
>figurativly, if you power the coco3, cut the inputs to RGBVH patch the RGBVH
>of the mm1. it may or may not work. I remember marty sujesting an invertor
>for one of the monitors.. that is, if the signals are approx the same. since
>the mm1 is the spinoff of the coco3.
This was the answer that sounded best to me. What does everyone here think?
Might this work? My whole goal that I defined in a lengthy post was to get
NTSC out of the MM/1 (or composite video). I don't care if I trash a CoCo3 in
the process.
Dave
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|Dave Pellerito - <digigrade@delphi.com> | Posted using InfoXpress |
|Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK |
|"I can handle more than one thought, more than|____________________________|
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RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90221)
From: JWILKERSON To: COLORSYSTEMS
Got it.... it works fine..... Say.... do you know a way to get that bad
boy to fire up in hi-res mode?
I have the latest patches .... 3.2? I think......... Would like to get
it going in 80 column mode without having to go to the menu each time to set it.
Thanks.....
-- John
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90235 6-OCT 21:13 General Information
RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90228)
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JWILKERSON
> Got it.... it works fine..... Say.... do you know a way to get that
> bad boy to fire up in hi-res mode?
> I have the latest patches .... 3.2? I think......... Would like to get
> it going in 80 column mode without having to go to the menu each time to
> set it.
Somewhere in the docs for the 3.2a patch mention the appropriate patch to
start up in 80 column mode. It is part of the GShell Plus archive.
------------------------------------
Zack C Sessions
If you're not the "lead dog", the scenery never changes.
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90250 8-OCT 15:41 General Information
RE: Multivue apps. (Re: Msg 90235)
From: JWILKERSON To: COLORSYSTEMS
32a? hmmmm... I got 32... didn't know of the 32a. Gotta grab that bad
boy here........ Sooooo many patches for MV it it's funny! BUT... they make
it work so much better.
Thanks!
-- John
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End of Thread.
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90229 6-OCT 18:25 Telecom (6809)
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 90223)
From: GREGL To: WDTV5
I haven't a clue what could be wrong, but it sounds like the problem is in
the list server software or the gateway from the news group. I just sent a
message to the news group to see if it happens to me as well.
-- Greg
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90231 6-OCT 19:27 Telecom (6809)
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 90229)
From: GREGL To: WDTV5
I just received a message from the list server stating that my message
has been distributed to the list so it looks like it is working for me.
-- Greg
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90246 7-OCT 22:13 Telecom (6809)
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 90231)
From: WDTV5 To: GREGL (NR)
Hi Greg; Q? Do I need to use a leading space there? Thats the only explanation
I could come up with.
Cheers, gene
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End of Thread.
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90230 6-OCT 19:10 Programmers Den
RE: Fast coco III (Re: Msg 90226)
From: BILL32H To: DIGIGRADE
No actualy its Powerboost "works great" :*)
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90232 6-OCT 19:46 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90206)
From: JOHNREED To: JRUPPEL
> $5 Wednesdays and Saturdays for years uncounted....hitting the Lotto
jackpot
> is about 1000 less likely than getting hit by lightning <G>
Very true. Now, what are the odds that our fearless leaders in
your home town will actually use the money for what they said
they would - and reduce our taxes as a result?
OK, you can stop laughing now.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90236 6-OCT 22:33 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90232)
From: JRUPPEL To: JOHNREED
HEEEEHAAAWWWW!!!! You sarrrit Bubba! <Lshih>
John Ruppel
CocoNuts in Lansing
(Laughing so hard it hurts)
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End of Thread.
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90233 6-OCT 19:46 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90222)
From: JOHNREED To: WA2EGP
> Strangly enough, I have two types of parallel printer cables here. Seems
the
> older type are wired differently on a few lines. They don't work on PCs
> either. I have a 6 footer that works on my MM/1 but I haven't had the time
> (or the guts <g>) to send anything to the printer using ghostscript...yet.
> Will let you know how it works out. IF anything fails, it will fail on my
> system (grin).
>
Those "older" ones - they wouldn't be from Radio Shack, would they? They
crossed a couple lines in theirs if I remember right - I had to unsolder
and move a bunch of jumpers in a DMP-132 I had to get it to work with
a "standard" PC cable.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90237 6-OCT 22:38 OSK Applications
RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90233)
From: WA2EGP To: JOHNREED
One is but several others come from a "junk pile" at AT&T. Who knows where
they got them from......
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End of Thread.
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90234 6-OCT 20:43 General Information
James stomps at Shanghai
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
Well,, folks,, I sadly admit "I did NOT" beat the britches off James
Jones at th Atlanta Fest, SHANGHAI contest.
James was th winner hands down,, beating the dragon with 5:06 minutes
remaining in a ten minute 1st up try!
While mine ouldn't count for prizes,,, I hadda try. a tad bit longer
with 4:44 remainding. that's just 22 seconds on your tail James.
Second Place went to Ron Bull. from PA
Third place,, beating out thhe rest of the Pro's was: Kristine Cooper
the 12 year old daughter,, of Rick Cooper. (hang your heads in shame guys)
hey it was a fun Fest! with 9 new UPGRADE Readers,, we welcome:
Tony Podraza, Brian Goers, & Chris Hawks, Al Huffman (sub-etha) among
others. Welcome aboard!
til then,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90238 6-OCT 23:21 General Information
CD-i is EVERYWHERE
From: MREGC To: PHXKEN
Ken,
I don't know if you've been looking around lately, but CD-i is starting
to show up everywhere I look. You know that it's now being carried at
Service Merchandise and Best. Today I went into Circuit City and, low and
behold, the new Magnavox model is there too. Unfortunately they only have a
few title on the shelf and they're showing that several years old catalog
that Sears has, but hopefully that part will improve. I've also confirmed
with the manager of the Softare Etc... in Fiesta Mall that they will start
carrying it this month. However, he prefaced this confirmation with the word
"unfortunately" as he is a solid 3DO backer, a problem which 30 minutes worth
of debate from me didn't seem to rectify. He did mention, though, that CD-i
is also carried at the Broadway and Montgomery Wards, though I haven't gone
to confirm that yet. Also, according to CIS Philips reps the Babbages chain
is now carrying CD-i. I believe there's a Babbages at MetroCenter on your
side of town. Have you seen it yet?
Oh, and how about this... at the CD-i display at Best our "Regional Sales
Specialist: Compact Disc - interactive" left several business cards. How's
that for support.
..Eric...
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90248 8-OCT 01:02 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90238)
From: JOHNBAER To: MREGC
Eric,
> I don't know if you've been looking around lately, but CD-i is
> starting to show up everywhere I look.
Well, I can add that you can buy a CDi player and disks right
here on Delphi. From the Main menu, go shopping, then go shoppers
advantage. To get the best prices you have to join there club..
not too bad as it cost just one dollar for a 6 month membership.
In the October Catalog, page 66, for the first time is a CDi
machine displayed along with Sega, Nintendo, 3Do.. The 3Do has
a member price of $399 and comes with 3 cartridges.. The Philips
CDi 220 cost $369 and comes with Compton's. The Compton's disk
has a list price of $300.00 by the way...
Just thought I'd pass the info <g>.
--
John
johnbaer@delphi.com < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
jbaer@pacs.pha.pa.us "Clipper Chip - Big Brother Inside !"
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90252 8-OCT 18:08 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90238)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MREGC
"Trust me, I know about this CD-I stuff." <g>
I used to be a big 3D0 backer when it first came out since I am really
into gaming and I'm wild about CD-ROM games and FMV. I'm not so hot on 3D0
anymore (ever since I got a Sega CDX with the money it would have cost to be
at Atlanta).
I'd like to get a CD-I player though. Would be nice to write stuff on
my MM/1 and have ported.
Dave
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90259 9-OCT 00:54 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90252)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE (NR)
I just bought a MAganovox CDi 200 player with Digitazl Video option today....
I just couldn't hold off any more after seeing CDi at the Fest "up close
and personal" Can't wait til my free stuff comes in the mail (7th Guest, Kether
and Comptons).
--
Paul
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90260 9-OCT 01:02 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90259)
From: BOISY To: MITHELEN (NR)
Yes!!!!!!!!
Glad to see you got it dude! Man, are you gonna have fun!
It's a model 200? Oh yeah... looks like a Philips 220. Got it.
Let me know when you get your titles.
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End of Thread.
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90239 6-OCT 23:26 General Information
RE: Atlfest (Re: Msg 90195)
From: MREGC To: MITHELEN
Paul,
> I actually bought some software this year! Gold Runner 2000! What an
> EXCELLENT new varation of an old classic... This is a MUST buy program
> for every MM/1 owner!
Gee, can I use that quote in my upcoming GR2 ad? :)
Thanks for the compliment. Glad you like the game.
..Eric...
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90240 6-OCT 23:31 General Information
RE: Atlfest (Re: Msg 90239)
From: MITHELEN To: MREGC
You sure can...
--
Paul
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End of Thread.
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90241 6-OCT 23:52 General Information
Atlanta
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
I must say that I had a great time in Atlanta and brought home some neat
'stuff' to boot. I want to thank all who made it possible and express my
hopes that we'll do it again next year. I met some real nice folk there
and said hello to some that I met before. For those who did not, or could
not attend, please try to make it next year. It is sure worth the time and
travel to be part of this community.
I'm leaving on vacation tommorrow and be back on the 19th of this month.
Till that time I'll be missing my Coco and the friends I've made through
it. Sounds corny but thats how I feel. I'll surely miss the conferences
which are starting to really bring this community together.
Regards ...Charlie...
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90242 7-OCT 04:31 OSK Applications
RE: OS9000 - descriptors (Re: Msg 90018)
From: EDELMAR To: JEJONES
James,
My question to you in message 89947.
> I have a question which I hope you can and are willing to answer; hoping
> you don't find answering to be a conflict with your work at MW. ...
Your response -
> I'm afraid I couldn't do much more than refer you to the people you've
> already been talking to. Sorry.
I finally got the correct scoop on what is happening re Ultra C, OS-9000/386
and descriptors. The problem is with the optimizer in Ultra C. It wants to
re-arrange the data in the descriptor.
Had a long talk with the MW people. They are aware of the problem and are
looking at several different solutions including a special utility to make
the descriptors. No decision yet. In the mean-time, the descriptors must
be compiled with the older C-Compiler.
For those following this - the descriptors provided in OS-9000/020 (for
Motorola chips) are written in assembler so the above problem doesn't occur.
(At least the ones provided with DAVID are assembler.)
Ed
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90243 7-OCT 12:31 General Information
OS-9 Live!
From: BOISY To: ALL
Hi All,
As much as I would like to, I'm finding it hard to get the time to do the
OS-9 Live! sessions. I would really like to keep the momentum going. If
any of you would like to host, please let me know, along with dates and
topics for each date, and I'll set up the conference banner.
Thanks.
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90244 7-OCT 18:51 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90215)
From: CPERRAULT To: MITHELEN
>>There is a version of cc3go in the database that allows you to
set up a ...<<
Thanks Paul, I'm gonna grab that.
>Chris<
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90258 8-OCT 23:41 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90215)
From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
> The problem is, the startup file is ran from it's own shell, and then
(I knew the answer to that one ;-) ).. I never tried it, because I've never
had all that much need to do so, but I wonder if it would work to do an
"ex shell" on the last line of startup? Would this get the original shell out
of the way?
I've run into the same thing in OSK, with trying to "setenv" from startup.
It could be explained in the docs, just haven't done my homework, maybe. So
far, I just have a file that does a setenv and I just "profile envir" from the
command line.. but it WOULD be a little smoother to not have to do this.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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End of Thread.
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90245 7-OCT 18:51 Telecom (6809)
RE: Supercomm (Re: Msg 90217)
From: CPERRAULT To: RANDYKWILSON
>>Make sure that your default dir is "/dd/com"...<<
Yep, it has been. Well that tells me it isn't Supercomm. I get a
feeling this has something to do with my HD. I think I should start
considering a new drive anyway(this one is OLLLLLLD).
See Ya
>Chris<
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90247 8-OCT 00:55 General Information
RAM Disk board
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
I discovered a DISTO RAM board in a RS Speeck pac case. (I assume that's
what they put 'em in).
any hue,, it has 2 full stacks of memory chips. andn five chips on the 3rd
stack (evidently someone borrowed a few)
it does have a chip socket open center row 3rd from male plug. I see
about three maybe 4 jumper wires.
The question is?? : Is this thh CC3 mod RAM Board and too,, how much
appx is it worth?
terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90249 8-OCT 12:01 Programmers Den
RE: What the :2? (Re: Msg 90181)
From: DBREEDING To: WRHAMBLEN
> Those numbers are used by the optimizer, o68. I guess they tell o68
> how to rearrange the assembler source generated by c68 before passing
> it to the assembler, r68.
Thanks.. I'd never have guessed that.. Didn't know that anything in the
comment field would be useful for the programs.. So I would think that
it would not be good to start a comment with ":", it might confuse the
optimizer..
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90251 8-OCT 16:41 General Information
RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 90224)
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
I looked and didn't see it what's it called?
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90253 8-OCT 22:34 OSK Applications
Fonts (Re: Msg 90194)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: EDELMAR (NR)
For your first problem, ``story.tex'' is a plain TeX file, not a LaTeX
file, which probably explains your problem.
As for fonts, etc, that's a big subject. Here's a few points to get
the discussion started:
- The APPEARANCE of a font cannot be copyrighted or patented in the
United States. (Europe is a different story; Germany does provide
some intellectual property protection for fonts.)
- The DESCRIPTION of a font (e.g., PostScript file or TrueType file,
etc.) is considered a computer program for purposes of U.S. Copyright
law, and is therefore protected. So, Adobe does have a copyright
on their ``Adobe Times Roman'' PostScript font, and just like a
computer program, if you copy that font, you may be in violation
of their copyright. However, there's no obstacle to printing out their
font and developing your own description from that (e.g., photocopying
it onto graph paper and building your own bitmap by hand).
There are public domain, freeware (copyrighted but with no obstacles
to distribution), and shareware (copyrighted with the restriction that
end users must reimburse the copyright holder, but without restrictions
on copying and distributiofonts. For example, the ``Utopia''
font I included in my LaTeX distribution is a copyrighted font
(by Adobe, I believe!) which is freely distributable. IBM has
similarly allowed free distribution of their Courier PostScript font,
which is currently included with X Windows and GhostScript, I believe.
If you browse the net, there are numerous shareware and free fonts
floating around. Knuth's Computer Modern fonts are free as well.
The technical question I have for you is simply: what _format_ of
font do you need? Knuth's Computer Modern fonts are distributed
in MetaFont and PK format, other fonts are available in a variety
of different formats (PostScript type 1, PostScript type 3,
TrueType, Macintosh bitmap, etc, etc, etc.) I don't know enough
about G-Windows to know what you need, but I didn't think
Display PostScript was part of it. <grin>
Most font vendors (Adobe, Bitstream, International Typeface
Corporation, American Type Foundry, etc.) distribute some of
their fonts in PostScript type 1, some in PostScript type 3,
and some in TrueType. Other font formats are less common,
but available. Converting automatically between differnt
font formats is very hard in general, and I've heard bad things
about many programs that claim to do it. (Most completely
throw out or badly mangle hinting and kerning information.)
So, does that answer your question? <grin>
- Tim Kientzle
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90254 8-OCT 22:39 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90190)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: DBREEDING
Great! I'm glad to hear my workaround for Y-G worked.
- Tim
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90255 8-OCT 22:40 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90196)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: MITHELEN
Gotcha.... (scribble, scribble, ``extra CR before finishing...'')
will do. Any more suggestions, shoot them my way...
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90256 8-OCT 22:41 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90197)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: JOHNBAER (NR)
Well! YModem-G is more popular than I thought it would be! I guess
a lot of people trust their modems more than I do. <grin>
- Tim
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End of Thread.
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90257 8-OCT 23:23 System Modules (6809)
RBF, new versions
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
Hi all, I've now uploaded a pair of files, both fix the same problem, one for
std 6809 systems, and one for Nitros9 systems. The problem was that if you
were using more than 1 sector pere cluster opon your your disks, a delete
did not clear all the allocation bits and the disk would slowly fill up
with allocated, but otherwise unattached sectors. These fix that. Then
UnDel, by Bob Santy, fails on a multisector cluster disk. I've got it
fixed for multisector clusters, but managed to break it for single cluster
disks. So that will be a day or two comeing yet. Sorry. Its been a long
day this week.
Cheers all, Gene
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90261 9-OCT 01:33 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90258)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: DBREEDING (NR)
In OSK, I do such things in startup. As an example:
(profile /dd/sys/.logins/altos3; shell &) <>>>/t0
(profile /dd/sys/.logins/vt102; shell &) <>>>/t3
profile /dd/sys/.logins/kwin
shell <>>>/w&
shell <>>>/w&
shell <>>>/w&
Randy
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90262 9-OCT 14:51 General Information
RE: NTSC or Composite from RGB-A signal (Re: Msg 90227)
From: 01GEN40 To: DIGIGRADE (NR)
Do not TRASH the CoCo 3!!! Doing so is like cutting off your legs 'cause
someone says BIONICS is better!
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90263 9-OCT 15:12 General Information
RE: Shell+ 2.2a bug (Re: Msg 90186)
From: 01GEN40 To: REVWCP (NR)
Sir:
I believe you may have misunderstood my request for info on Shell+. I
have Shellplus V2.2a, what I need is to find Shellplus V2.2 which is
supposed to be a '92-'93 version Of Shell+. I need the documentation
for Shellplus V2.2, not V2.2a. Thank you for you quick reply. I hope
that you may have the correct answer to my quest. See ya!
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90264 9-OCT 20:39 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90259)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MITHELEN
WOW! You got 7th Guest AND Comptons?!! Wow.
I got Ecco The Dolphin CD, Sonic CD and a "Classics Disk" with 5
cartridge games: Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns, Golden Axe,
and the worst driving game in the world (except in the arcades) Super
Monaco GP. I then bought Rebel Assault (super awesome game) and Silpheed
(a polygon lovers heaven, 100 times better than the MS-DOS version). I am
looking to get Space Ace as soon as it comes out in November. What did you
buy for it since you have to wait for your freebies?
Dave
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|Digigrade Productions - Digital Services | with an MM/1 running OSK |
|"I can handle more than one thought, more than|____________________________|
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90268 9-OCT 20:50 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90264)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE
7-th Guest was a freebe from the DV Cartridge... I bought Palm Springs Golf,
Dragons Lair, and Space Ace. And also Picked up Trek VI, and Planes, Trains
& automobiles for videos...
--
Paul
P.S. I've noticed on serveral of the disks I've bought, that the center hole
needs to be "cleaned" with a x-acto knife to get rid of a small amount
of "flashing" to get the disks to work (ie, they won't spin properly)
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90277 9-OCT 23:46 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90268)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MITHELEN
> 7-th Guest was a freebe from the DV Cartridge... I bought Palm Springs
> Golf, Dragons Lair, and Space Ace. And also Picked up Trek VI, and Planes,
> Trains & automobiles for videos...
Wow, super-awesome. How are the movies? Lazer quality? I like FMV when
you can tell it's digital. :) I don't have to ask how DL and Space Ace are.
> P.S. I've noticed on serveral of the disks I've bought, that the center
> hole needs to be "cleaned" with a x-acto knife to get rid of a small
> amount of "flashing" to get the disks to work (ie, they won't spin
> properly)
Hmmm, looks like they were REALLY mass producing them. When I was a kid
I allways liked picking off that stuff. It sucks when your'e painting led
miniatures though. You could allways use the extra led for coins though.
Blab, blab, blab.
Dave
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90288 10-OCT 21:33 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90268)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MITHELEN
Hi Paul!!
> Welp.. I finally do'd it... I went out ad bought a Magnavox CDi 200
> player, with Digitial Video cartridge. I also got Palm Springs Open,
> and Star Trek VI... And be getting 7th Guest, Kether, and Comptons
> for free as soon as I get the coupons mailed in (hopefullym, they
> will arive in 6 weeks! Can's wait!) I plan on getting Dragons Lair
> soon.... Any recomendations on other awsome disks?
Yes!!! I highly reccommend:
Blonde Justice
Cheating
Ice Woman
Immortal Desires
Steamy Windows
Swap II
The Coven
The Mask
also available: Vivid Sampler
NOTE: You must be 21 or over to order these CD-i titles!!!! <g>
Available from CD-City (1-800-CD-CITY5)
32871 Manor Park Dr.
Garden City Mi.
41835
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************
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90291 10-OCT 22:35 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90277)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE
The movies arn't quite Laster quality... You can see digital "glitches" at
times, but overall pretty darn good...Overall, better then tape, and being
able to do super crisp freeze frames, slow mo, and also jumping to
specific "chapters" makes it much better then tape.
--
Paul
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90295 11-OCT 03:09 General Information
RE: CD-i is EVERYWHERE (Re: Msg 90291)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MITHELEN (NR)
> The movies arn't quite Laser quality... You can see digital "glitches"
> at times, but overall pretty darn good...Overall, better then tape, and
> being able to do super crisp freeze frames, slow mo, and also jumping to
> specific "chapters" makes it much better then tape.
Sounds cool to me. Sounds like switching from cassete audio to CD's.
Looks like I'll be going with a full blown CDI player sooner or later.
Dave
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|"I can handle more than one thought, more than|____________________________|
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End of Thread.
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90265 9-OCT 20:39 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90258)
From: DIGIGRADE To: DBREEDING
> > The problem is, the startup file is ran from it's own shell, and then
>
> (I knew the answer to that one ;-) ).. I never tried it, because I've
> never had all that much need to do so, but I wonder if it would work to do
> an "ex shell" on the last line of startup? Would this get the original
> shell out
> of the way?
>
> I've run into the same thing in OSK, with trying to "setenv" from
> startup. It could be explained in the docs, just haven't done my homework,
> maybe. So far, I just have a file that does a setenv and I just "profile
> envir" from the
> command line.. but it WOULD be a little smoother to not have to do this.
You can put "profile envir" in your startup file and for some reason it
works.
Dave
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90273 9-OCT 22:17 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90265)
From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE
> > I've run into the same thing in OSK, with trying to "setenv" from
> > startup.
> > So far, I just have a file that does a setenv and I
> just "profile > envir" from the
> > command line.. but it WOULD be a little smoother to not have to do
> this.
> You can put "profile envir" in your startup file and for some reason
> it works.
I just tried it on my System V. It didn't work on mine.. I can live
without it, but it does take a little more effort.
-- David Breeding --
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Delphi : DBREEDING
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90275 9-OCT 22:19 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90261)
From: DBREEDING To: RANDYKWILSON
> In OSK, I do such things in startup. As an example:
> (profile /dd/sys/.logins/altos3; shell &) <>>>/t0
> profile /dd/sys/.logins/kwin
> shell <>>>/w&
> shell <>>>/w&
Yeah, I see how that would work. I have a System V, and don't have
KWindows, and I startup into the text window (TERM). I could, I suppose
do the setenv's, then "shell" without the &. Then I'd have the original
shell waiting. Not a problem, but just a little more clutter in memory.
I still wonder (for a single-window start) how doing the setenvs would work
then do an "ex shell" to get rid of the original shell. This seems like it
would work.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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90279 10-OCT 04:25 Applications (6809)
RE: Shellplus Path command (Re: Msg 90258)
From: EDELMAR To: DBREEDING (NR)
Dave,
> I've run into the same thing in OSK, with trying to "setenv" from startup.
> It could be explained in the docs, just haven't done my homework, maybe. So
> far, I just have a file that does a setenv and I just "profile envir" from
> the command line.. but it WOULD be a little smoother to not have to do this.
Much easier way to do this. Simply add the following line to the end of your
startup file - "ex tsmon term" (I use 'ex tsmon -p term'). Create a file
called '.login' in your default working directory, usually /dd or /h0 which
contains all your setenv's. When you power up or reset, hit enter and you'll
get a prompt to login (tsmon calls 'login'). After you've successfully logged
in, login will call the file .login in your current working directory and
set your environment variables for you.
Note - your password file does have to be set up but you don't have to have
entries for user name and password - these can have no entries allowing a
simple <ENTER> to allow you to log on to your system.
If you have need for different environment variables for different
applications you can set up different password file entries. The first might
be empty as I described above. The second might contain your name, 'dave'.
(You can still leave the password entry blank.) The 5th and 6th fields
respectively set the CMDS and WORKING directories. If you use a different
default working directory, you can use a different .login file which will
set up different environment variables. Actually very simple and flexible.
Read the commands 'tsmon' and 'login'. Alternatively, you can continue
to use 'profile' to change you environment variables as you're now doing.
I find the latter to be useful when I'm experimenting.
Ed
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90266 9-OCT 20:39 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90255)
From: DIGIGRADE To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
> Gotcha.... (scribble, scribble, ``extra CR before finishing...'')
> will do. Any more suggestions, shoot them my way...
Come to think of it there is a problem that is annoying me lately, but
not because of XY/Z. Using Sterm on Delphi, Delphi seems to send a code at
one time or another (maybye going into mail) that the window interprets as
transparent characters on. Then when I ESC-S to get a shell and "z;display 7"
the file % update (wich I really like) writes over itself making it a garbled
mess. How can this be avoided? I know it's something Delphi sends me because
Iv'e ESC-S and fixed it with a display code and it creeps back again.
Dave
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90267 9-OCT 20:39 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90256)
From: DIGIGRADE To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
> Well! YModem-G is more popular than I thought it would be! I guess
> a lot of people trust their modems more than I do. <grin>
> - Tim
I allways manage to get line noise from somewhere.
Dave
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90272 9-OCT 21:22 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90255)
From: DBREEDING To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
> Gotcha.... (scribble, scribble, ``extra CR before finishing...'')
> will do. Any more suggestions, shoot them my way...
While we're giving hints <G>.... I think I mentioned it before, but I've
had a little problem of losing the dload if I have screen pause turned on,
and the screen pauses.. If you don't already do anything with the OPTS,
would it be a hindrance to _gs_opt, save it to restore on exit, then turn
off pause? I think it would be a help.
-- David Breeding --
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90274 9-OCT 22:19 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90267)
From: DBREEDING To: DIGIGRADE
> > Well! YModem-G is more popular than I thought it would be! I guess
> > a lot of people trust their modems more than I do. <grin>
> I allways manage to get line noise from somewhere.
Is your modem not error-correcting? I wouldn't use -G with a non-correcting
modem, but with E-C modems, I've been fairly successful with my local BBS.
I still tend to use ZModem most of the times, however.
BTW.. Last night I had a funny occurrence. I tried Z for the first time
here and dloaded a file. At the end, suddenly, Z started again (From the
menu, it appeared to be only one file.. Anyway, the thing seemed to stick
for a while, I think I hit CTRL-C, then suddenly Delphi seemed to be
receiving my logon, Getting my Handle, then my password, of course responding
with error messages.. Apparently Delphi was sending it to itself, because
I use STerm, manually logging on. I first thought it was sending my capture
buffer, but my password was not even in that file, so I don't know what was
going on.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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90276 9-OCT 22:57 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90266)
From: KSCALES To: DIGIGRADE
Dave -
> Using Sterm on Delphi, Delphi seems to send a code
> at one time or another (maybye going into mail) that the window interprets
> as transparent characters on.
Sounds like Delphi is sending you the sequence "ESC <" ($1B $3C) which
is the GFX code for setting transparent mode (needs a parameter: $00 is
off; probably any non-zero would be on).
This coincides with the VT52 sequence to set ANSI cursor mode. Perhaps you
can eliminate this by changing your terminal type in Delphi. (Sorry, I
don't recall the Delphi commands for doing this -- I usually traverse
the Delphi maze by trial and error... or let InfoXpress do it for me <g>.)
Cheers... / Ken
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90281 10-OCT 15:47 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90266)
From: GREGL To: DIGIGRADE
I think DEC Mail sends either ESC ( 0 or ESC ) 0 when entering mail. I don't
remeber what they are supposed to do, off hand, but I've got a VT102 manual
at home if you really need to know. Anyway, try one of those to see if it
does the same thing in a plain window.
-- Greg
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90282 10-OCT 16:00 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90276)
From: GREGL To: DIGIGRADE
I just checked and the specific sequences I see (VT102 emulation) are
ESC )0 ESC [4l ESC )0 ESC [4l ESC =
The l character is a lowercase ell. I had forgotten about the ESC = sequence.
If you are using VT52 emulation, you might try VT102 emulation to see if
that helps.
-- Greg
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90286 10-OCT 20:53 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90276)
From: WDTV5 To: KSCALES
Hummm, I've seen that too Ken, only not on this coco. But when I capture
the stuffs with a "vlt" script on my amiga, there sure is. It puts my
amiga in the BOLD text mode, adding a pixel to the width of any vert lines
in the character. I('m not sure that its supposed to, but then "vlt" is
supposed to know all about vt-100/220 codes, or even tektronix stuffs
as its used a the Stanford Linear Accelerator labs to make terminals
out of all their amiga's. Nice proggy, docs could use some help tho.
Cheers, Gene
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90287 10-OCT 21:13 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90281)
From: MRGOOD To: GREGL (NR)
I have an MM1. Whenever I hop into Delphi mail, the font changes
from plain to bold face.
When I leave, it changes back to plain font.
Hugo
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90292 10-OCT 23:40 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90287)
From: WA2EGP To: MRGOOD (NR)
Which windio are you using. I never had that happen with any terminal program
I've tried unless I'm downloading something and the d/l craps out but Delphi
keeps sending. I should ask which term program are you using?
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90293 11-OCT 00:05 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90287)
From: KSCALES To: MRGOOD (NR)
> I have an MM1. Whenever I hop into Delphi mail, the font changes
> from plain to bold face.
>
> When I leave, it changes back to plain font.
Hi, Hugo -
I went in tonight and checked. I changed my Delphi terminal type
(under Using Delphi; Settings; Terminal) to VT52, then went into Mail
via the OS-9 Forum.
The data I captured included:
ESC = ($1B $3D) --> VT52 Alternate Keypad upon entry into Mail
(This is also the KWin code for BoldSw; expects a parameter
of $00 for off; non-zero for on)
ESC > ($1B $3E) --> VT52 Numeric Keypad upon exit from Mail
(Can't find this sequence documented for L2Win nor KWin.)
So, sure enough, that will set your terminal into Bold mode.
You could either change your Delphi setting to a safe one ("Unknown"), or
switch to a terminal program that handles the sequences safely (that is,
one that doesn't pass the VT control sequences directly to the screen).
Better yet, get one that does a good job of VT100 emulation, and change
your Delphi terminal setting to VT100...
Cheers... / Ken
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90297 11-OCT 03:09 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90274)
From: DIGIGRADE To: DBREEDING (NR)
> Is your modem not error-correcting? I wouldn't use -G with a
> non-correcting modem, but with E-C modems, I've been fairly successful
> with my local BBS.
> I still tend to use ZModem most of the times, however.
>
> BTW.. Last night I had a funny occurrence. I tried Z for the first time
> here and dloaded a file. At the end, suddenly, Z started again (From the
> menu, it appeared to be only one file.. Anyway, the thing seemed to stick
> for a while, I think I hit CTRL-C, then suddenly Delphi seemed to be
> receiving my logon, Getting my Handle, then my password, of course
> responding with error messages.. Apparently Delphi was sending it to
> itself, because I use STerm, manually logging on. I first thought it was
> sending my capture buffer, but my password was not even in that file, so I
> don't know what was going on.
Interesting. Never happened to me before. :)
Dave
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90298 11-OCT 03:10 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90287)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MRGOOD (NR)
> I have an MM1. Whenever I hop into Delphi mail, the font changes
> from plain to bold face.
>
> When I leave, it changes back to plain font.
Same here, sometimes it doesn't change back for me.
Dave
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90269 9-OCT 20:51 General Information
OS-9 Live!
From: BOISY To: ALL
After posting my message regarding my inability to continue to host
OS-9 Live!, I received no responses. I think Chris Perrault's OS-9 Late
Night conferences will be a good substitute as long as there are some
topics pertaining to OS-9/68K on the agenda.
Thanks.
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90278 10-OCT 01:20 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 90269)
From: WA2EGP To: BOISY
Gee, I would but I never would arrive on time and the only thing I could offer
is "How to blow up your OSK machine/software in three easy steps". (grin)
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90289 10-OCT 21:45 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 90269)
From: CPERRAULT To: BOISY
>>After posting my message regarding my inability to continue to
host OS-9 Live!, I recieved no responses.<<
Boisy, let's wait till the end of tonights OS-9 Late Night. I'll
ask when enough people get there if there is anyone interested. I
think I do get a few in the conferences who don't normally get on
forum as often as we do(ie 4 times a day<grin>. I may or may not be
able to find someone, tho I sure hope I do. Things will be lonely in
the conference world without OS-9 Live!, and since the range of OS-9
Late Night is so broad(I'm open to DECB if there is ever the
interest), I felt OS-9 Live! really filled in an important gap in
covering OS-9/68k and OS-9000, which I could only cover so much. With
the latter two versions of OS-9 being the NOW and the Future of OS-9,
I really hope that if OS-9 Live! can't continue on, some form of
Profession OS-9 conference will come along to take it's place.
>>I think Chris Perrault's OS-9 Late Night conferences will be a
good substitute as long as there are some topics pertaining to OS-
9/68K on the agenda.<<
I am certainly willing to pick up as much of that slack as
possible, but again, the area covered is very broad which leaves us
with a lot of possible discussion topics, even for a weekly
conference(there are FIVE this month btw!). I am more than willing to
cover OS-9/68k and OS-9000 as I have always, but I still feel the need
for OS-9 Live! which gives top priority to Professional versions of OS-9.
Of course, if Coco interest should drop, I'll most definately slant
it towards more Professional OS-9 or whatever the people who attend
want, but I don't see that happening. OS-9 Late Night was actually
born out of OS-9 Live! which is another reason I am fond of your
conference. I wish you were able to continue, or we could at least
find someone to continue running this conference, since you really had
the right idea with this. Once OS-9 Live! came out, I decided that we
could also use a conference to compliment that, something that also
had room for Professional OS-9, with a slant towards the Coco for the
majority crowd here that wanted it(such as people like me), as well as
a general chat get together where we weren't tied down to one specific
topic(so people can just show up with their questions about anything),
hence the reason I try to have at least two Open Forums a month. Also
I feel the vendors and User groups/clubs and other organizations of
the community need more outlets than what they have to inform users,
so I wanted to use this conference as one more they could add to their
disposal, which is why we have a lot of confernces with them. Right
there you can see there is a lot covered in the little time we have,
showing the need for that second and perhaps third conference.
On the brighter side, a lot of what is discussed for OS-9 Level
II is very applicable to Professional versions of OS-9, so there is an
even bigger percentage supported than one might think. As Winter
approaches I am hoping to slant the conference more towards system
specific stuff, such as making boots, programming, shell+ usage and
shell programming, and software based stuff. If anyone has anything
they want to offer as far as hosting a conference on something in that
area, let me know. If anyone is interested in taking over Boisy's
conference please get in touch with him. I'm glad to see OS-9 Late
Night has done as consistently well as it has, but we need another 1
or 2 conferences to really help cover a good portion of what is out
there with OS-9.
Oh geeze, I went overboard again....<grin>
>Chris<
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90296 11-OCT 03:09 General Information
RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 90289)
From: DIGIGRADE To: CPERRAULT (NR)
I might be willing to host an MM/1 spesific co. or an OS92CDI conf.
Dave
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90270 9-OCT 20:59 Programmers Den
UnDel and multisector clusters
From: WDTV5 To: ALL
Welp, I think I've got it working! As in I've got a couple of floppies
here that have been del *.* and then recovered by this UnDel till they
are about worn out. So before I leave tonight, I'm uploading this new
UnDel to go with the RBF patches that also enable multiplesector clusters.
Its been checked on disks whose cluster size ranged from 1 to 8 in powers
of 2.
Cheers all, Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com
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90271 9-OCT 21:07 General Information
OS-9 Late Night: Reminder
From: CPERRAULT To: ALL
***OS-9 Late Night***
Topic:Farna Systems
Speak with Frank Swygert of Farna Systems
Monday October 10, at 10:00 pm est
Come talk to Frank about what is in store for
Farna Systems, and what is in store for those who buy from Farna.
Farna is the publisher of perhaps the newest magazine dedicated to the
Color Computer, OS-9, and anything related to the 68xxx
microprocessor. It is one of the most popular magazines since the
Rainbow, so if you are interested in learning more about this
publication, as well as perhaps becoming a new subscriber, it may be a
good idea to stop in and ask Frank anything you want to know.
Also, he has an impressive catalog of hardware and
software, specifically for your Coco, such as the Rascan Digitizer,
the Ken-Ton SCSI Controller, and the Coco Family Recorder. Come on in
tomorrow night and find out more about Farna systems.
See Ya
>Chris<
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90280 10-OCT 15:41 Telecom (6809)
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 90246)
From: GREGL To: WDTV5
At least I haven't been including spaces anywhere in the
messages except between words and such.
-- Greg
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90285 10-OCT 20:46 Telecom (6809)
RE: usenet (Re: Msg 90280)
From: WDTV5 To: GREGL (NR)
Ok, I thought I was doing it right, so send them an ok msg for me please.
Tnx, Gene
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End of Thread.
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90283 10-OCT 19:03 General Information
CONFERENCE
From: MROWEN01 To: ALL
HI ALL,
I am unable to make the conference tonight. I'm in the middle of a
major 4381 disaster at work. Hope you all hve fun. I'll catch the transcript.
Thanks
-Mike Rowen
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90284 10-OCT 20:27 General Information
RE: Atlfest (Re: Msg 90239)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MREGC
Hey Eric!!!!
> Paul,
>
> > I actually bought some software this year! Gold Runner 2000! What an
> > EXCELLENT new varation of an old classic... This is a MUST buy program
> > for every MM/1 owner!
>
> Gee, can I use that quote in my upcoming GR2 ad? :)
>
> Thanks for the compliment. Glad you like the game.
Add my kudos as well!!! An excellent game!!! (I'll be spending toooo much
time playing it!!!!).
BTW check with your local stationary supply for "Angler's Roslyn Handi-Loc
polybags". Stock # 5111C is a perfect fit for software packaging. At about $12
per 100 a good deal too!
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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90294 11-OCT 02:49 General Information
RE: Atlfest (Re: Msg 90284)
From: MREGC To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
Chris,
> Add my kudos as well!!! An excellent game!!!
Thanks, Chris! The response you guys have given GR2 makes all the time and
effort I put into it well worth it.
> BTW check with your local stationary supply for "Angler's Roslyn Handi-Loc
> polybags". Stock # 5111C is a perfect fit for software packaging. At about
> $12 per 100 a good deal too!
I KNEW those bags had to be available somewhere! I guess I just checked
the wrong 4 business supply stores. :)
..Eric...
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90290 10-OCT 22:31 General Information
RE: Shell+ 2.2a bug (Re: Msg 90263)
From: CHYDE To: 01GEN40 (NR)
I don't think there is any documentaion for Shell+ 2.2. For the most part
I think the docs came from the original Shell+ v 2.0 and all the other
versions just included ipatch code and readme files. I couldn't seem
to find the origial in the database (but I didn't look very hard <g>), there
is v 2.1 in the applications area. It's a rather large file so it may
have the docs with it. Just do a rea shell+ v2.1 in the applications
area and download it. If it doesn't have the docs I can email you a copy of
all the shell+ docs I have.
Chris
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90360 18-OCT 00:45 General Information
RE: UUCP (Re: Msg 90355)
From: MITHELEN To: PHILSCHERER
the first five files (and the other later on) are mearly directory entries
in the lha archive. lha2.11 should actually create the dirs when it sees
those entries, bet, instead, it ignores them, and just creates the directery
path when it finds a file that is in a subdir to extract... maybe the author
of lha 2.11c can "fix" this "bug" in the next release...
--
Paukl
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90362 18-OCT 18:39 General Information
RE: UUCP (Re: Msg 90360)
From: PHILSCHERER To: MITHELEN
Thanks Paul--As long as Iknow there's nothing wrong. <Phil>
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90361 18-OCT 06:32 OSK Applications
RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 90335)
From: SCWEGERT To: NIMITZ (NR)
David,
While I agree Linkup is a fine program, until it supports CompuServe's B
protocol, you'd be doing a disservice to those customers that frequent that
particular information service if you don't supply a comm package that does.
*- Steve -*
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90363 18-OCT 21:36 General Information
RE: Gopher Problems here. (Re: Msg 90351)
From: JOHNBAER To: GREGL
> .. I changed all of the FTP sites to use gopher.uiuc.edu and also
> added the incoming directory for Chestnut.
That's a plus Greg, Thanks!
> Unfortunately it's the Gopher to FTP translator sites that handle
> binary/text extensions so there's nothing we can do about binary files
> showing as text.
Ok, but can you find out anything about the `buffer flush' thing
that I mentioned earlier ? That would be a real plus to see fixed <g>.
> If you want my opinion, these things should at least
> allow the users to specify whether the files are text or binary. Alas,
> this seems to make too much sense so nobody does it this way.
You didn't think that people would actually give some thought to
this and make it `user friendly' did ya <g>.
> If I sound sarcastic, it's because I'm in a rotten mood right now. Sorry
> 'bout that.
I didn't take it that way. But look at it this way. You can archive
that message and file it as `Information highway Under Construction..
there could be delays'... <G>.
Have a good one!
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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90370 19-OCT 17:17 General Information
RE: Gopher Problems here. (Re: Msg 90363)
From: GREGL To: JOHNBAER
I reported the buffer flush problem but haven't received any information on
it as of yet. I do know they are looking into it, though.
-- Greg
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End of Thread.
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90364 18-OCT 21:36 General Information
RE: CD-I PC board (Re: Msg 90354)
From: JOHNBAER To: COCOKIWI
> Philips will be releasing Next year a CD-I "plug and play" board for
> IBM clones..
Ya Dennis, I saw that! I get my str10xx from the Atari Sig...
It's posted every Friday nite there. There's some good reading
in it sometimes. Later...
--
John -
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90369 19-OCT 01:09 General Information
RE: CD-I PC board (Re: Msg 90364)
From: COCOKIWI To: JOHNBAER
interesting!stuff!<grin> I had read of a prototype along these lines but
with no info on whom was working on it!<now we know><Grin>
Dennis
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End of Thread.
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90365 18-OCT 22:08 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:Review
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
For those who couldn't make it, last night's OS-9 Late Night was
great. It was one of our better conferences(and we've had some good
ones), and definately a relief after the disaster last week.
Unfortunately I don't have the transcript, but I think Herman does if
you want it.
It was schedualed to be Fat Cat Publishing, and it ended up as a
double conference with Farna Systems and Fat Cat both discussing their
magazines. It was a great night and we went into discussing the
possible future activities of the OS-9 Users Group and the Developers
association(which is something you may hear more about in the future.
Next week will be an Open topic, and I am pretty sure the next 3
or so weeks will be open topic(those are the ones that seem to go
better, with a couple exceptions). We are free to discuss anything. :-
)
C'mon in next Monday, 10:00 pm est.
See Ya
>Chris<
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90366 19-OCT 00:16 General Information
RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 87921)
From: DIETER To: CHARLESAM (NR)
> Yeah Mike, Nitros9 takes alot of time and effort, least for me it did. I
> just found out my printer won't work under Nitros9. Back to the drawing board
> again. I just heard yesterday about the crytal hack. I hope '68 Micros'
> has something on it. Thanx for your input. Charlie
>
Use tuneport to adjust the /P output, then make a new bootdisk, or bootfile on
a hard disk... That proceadure worked for me!
Dieter
Dieter
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90367 19-OCT 00:16 General Information
RE: HD (Re: Msg 88284)
From: DIETER To: DSRTFOX
> What do you have in mind? I carry the Ken-Ton controllers for SCSI drives.
> There are some complete, ready to run 85MB units for $550.00, or I can put
can I still get a KEN-TON SCSI controller? and how much?
Dieter
Dieter
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90373 19-OCT 20:48 General Information
RE: HD (Re: Msg 90367)
From: DSRTFOX To: DIETER
You can still get a Ken-Ton controller. The current price is $135 with a
cable and 512 byte sector software (shareware from Matt Thompson) for OS-9
only. The 256 byte sector drivers for OS-9 and RGB-DOS (for DECB access) is
an additional $50 (which is my cost... $60 without interface). The 512 byte
sector drivers SHOULD work with any SCSI hard drive. Do note that the KT unit
is only guaranteed to work with Seagate N series drives with ROM revision 105
or greater. If you purchase a remanufactured drive, make sure the ROM revision
is 105 or greater if you intend to use the 256 byte sector drivers or DECB.
Note that RGB-DOS should work with 512 byte sector drives, but you will lose
half the drive capacity. Ideally, setting up 6 DECB drive partitions (emulates
35T/SS drives) will only take up 1MB of a hard drive, and should be done. If
nothing else, RGB-DOS supports a "DOSx" command, where the normal DOS command
acts on the drive partition number "x". So it would be easy to set up six
different boots easily.
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End of Thread.
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90368 19-OCT 00:16 Programmers Den
RE: fest (Re: Msg 87561)
From: DIETER To: MITHELEN
Hi Paul, how are You? First of sorry I did not answer You last night when
I was on Delphi in real time, Since I am not so good at speed typing, and the
pL/D charges are quit high here in Canada, I figured I will answer You ofline
with IX. Hope that You will forgive me...
I only go online manually when I want to download a program from time to time,
all other accesses are with IX...
How is Your BBS working out? still ad it I bet! I shut my BBS down till I can
get an OSK version of STG Net software. Till then I will stay in contact via
CIS and Delphi. Actually it is more cost effective using Delphi and CIS, from
lethbridge, then runn
ing a BBS and netting...
Well the weather here in Lethbridge is great! Had a de-railment I the center
of Lethbridge, cant go the work since they evacuated all poeple in a readius of
20 blocks of the Metenoll spill. So I gues I have an unpaid holiday till they
give the all clear
signal...
All the best!
Dieter
Dieter
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90371 19-OCT 17:43 General Information
OS9 Shell on CD-I players
From: DIGIGRADE To: BOISY
Hi Boisy,
I found out yesterday that a store locally (a block away from me) sells
Phillips CD-I machines and software. After my brother and I saw demos of
Patriot Games, Voyer, and 7th Guest and my brother finding out that Space
Ace and Dragons Lair were out for it, we both want to buy one. I want to be
shure that I get the model that will allow me to open a shell like yours. I
don't have the model number of the ones they have in stock, but it was big
and was front loading. Would you please reply with the model number of the
one you have?
Also, are you going to write a text file or an article for MOTD to
explain how you got the shell open. I know someone who has a CD-R drive and
he has a Mac. My HD on my MM/1 is a Quantum SCSI Mac drive. If I hook up my
HD to his MAC, can he read it? SCSI drives are all formatted the same right?
Thanks for the help,
Dave
P.S. Chris Hawks: My SCSI CD-ROM cable has just been handed to me. :)
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90372 19-OCT 20:29 General Information
RE: ss.wnset safari (Re: Msg 90359)
From: TEDJAEGER To: COLORSYSTEMS
> Do you not have bgfx for OSK/Kwindows?
Well, yes I have it, sort of. I ordered it from IMS. Warren Hrach sent
me a preliminary version figuring it would takes IMS a long time to
ship. They never shipped so I have an early version with no docs save
some example BGFX programs that Kevin wrote. In glancing through those
programs, I dont see anything that looks like it would set up a menu
bar and title bar. Does your BGFX support this? If so, I'd like to know
the edition number. I got number 1. BTW, I know the OSK system call
codes can be found in sys.l. Would you think the callcode for ss.wnset
would be in cgfx.l?
Bests
---TedJaeger
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90374 19-OCT 23:10 General Information
CD-i
From: BOISY To: DIGIGRADE
Dave,
My CD-i player is the Philips CD-i 220 model. It's a front loading
player with two ports (one on the front, one on the back).
I suspect you saw either this model, or the Magnavox one. Both *should*
work if the CD-i "magic" disk is put in.
I must warn you: there is no way to fork a shell without a CD-i disk
which does so. I've considered writing about the CD-i system internals,
and just might do it.
Let me know what kind of playe rit is.
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90375 20-OCT 00:56 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90374)
From: DIGIGRADE To: BOISY
Boisy,
It was a Phillips. I'll get the model number tomorrow.
Dave
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90376 20-OCT 01:26 OSK Applications
RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 90361)
From: NIMITZ To: SCWEGERT
Steve, I intend to have CIS-B protocol added to KTerm, among other features and
improvements. I will drop STERM as soon as possible, as I need to eliminate
wastage in storage space in the MM/1 Disk set. Your point is well taken,
however.
David
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90390 21-OCT 23:21 OSK Applications
RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 90358)
From: DIGIGRADE To: TEDJAEGER
> > Now, where can I get a hold of ssplay? It's not available here,
> > Compuserve, or Ocean Beach.
>
> I dont have it either but I renamed hdplays ssplay and it worked
> fine.
I did the same thing. :)
Dave
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90394 22-OCT 03:29 OSK Applications
RE: Linkup (Re: Msg 90390)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE
ssplay is in new uploads now (actually, since earlier this week)
--
Paul
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End of Thread.
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90377 20-OCT 20:28 General Information
Burn:Cycle for CD-i
From: BOISY To: ALL
I just received a new CD-i title (read OS-9 software) called Burn:Cycle.
This game is absolutely amazing. I cannot *believe* the graphics and
animation. And it doesn't even require the Digital Video Cartridge.
Show this one to your friends. Tell 'em it's OS-9 software.
They'll pass out.
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90379 20-OCT 21:01 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90377)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
While it's true it is OS-9 software, telling your friends so would give the
impression that you could access such software with your OS-9 computer, and
not through a dedicated graphics engine. That's like telling them that some
of the arcade game machines are OS-9 (which they very well could be, though
not probable). Not that your statement isn't true, it's just a little
misleading!
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90381 20-OCT 23:23 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90379)
From: BOISY To: DSRTFOX
Frank,
>Not that your statement isn't true, it's just a little misleading!
Huh? I fail to see what's misleading about it. The fact of the matter
is that these CD-i titles are OS-9 programs. I fail to expound here
that it is not a computer as you or I am used to, but I take it for
granted that everyone here knows what CD-i is.
Trying to run a CD-i title on your MM/1 would produce unacceptable results,
I'm sure. But, so would trying to run a K-Windows program under G-Windows.
I think that telling your friends that the CD-i player is an OS-9 system
and that OS-9 software is actually on the CD-i disk reinforces the
versatility of OS-9.
You know, it's interesting that we have been so used to having an OS-9
shell at our fingertips; when we see OS-9 working in its more familiar
environment (embedded, hidden) we are reluctant.
Perhaps your perception that my statement is misleading shows that your
view of OS-9 is a bit more narrow than mine?
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90388 21-OCT 23:20 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90377)
From: DIGIGRADE To: BOISY
> I just received a new CD-i title (read OS-9 software) called Burn:Cycle.
>
> This game is absolutely amazing. I cannot *believe* the graphics and
> animation. And it doesn't even require the Digital Video Cartridge.
>
> Show this one to your friends. Tell 'em it's OS-9 software.
>
> They'll pass out.
Is it like Road Rash? If you don't know what Road Rash is, it's a game
of racing on scenic public highways for A> Big bucks, or B> Big brusies.
Ditch the cops and watch out for other competitors. I have heard of Burn
Cycle. I haven't heard much though. Looks like my brother gets his CDI
machine by the end of the week. I'm helping him get his first, then in two
months I'll have mine. :) Can't wait.
BTW, the model he is getting (and me) is Phillips CLV-220. Wireless
remote and wire joypad available (plugs in the front), a rather nice joypad.
We really are trying to get the best deal. It is tough, we were
promised $550 and five free discs. No the guy isn't so shure. Supposedly
he is going to try talking to Phillips. Do you know what kind of promotions
there are out there? We heard at Media Play that a coupon exists for 3 free
disks (normal and FMV?).
Any information from anybody would be much appreciated,
Dave
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90389 21-OCT 23:21 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90381)
From: DIGIGRADE To: BOISY
> You know, it's interesting that we have been so used to having an OS-9
> shell at our fingertips; when we see OS-9 working in its more familiar
> environment (embedded, hidden) we are reluctant.
Interesting observation. Frankly I'm excited. I blame you. :)
Dave
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90391 22-OCT 01:16 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90388)
From: BOISY To: DIGIGRADE
Burn:Cycle is not about racing; it's a common misconception.
Burn:Cycle is a first person perspective game (like Doom) but with
all sorts of mini-movies and a good plot. You get/put things just
like in an adventure game.
The game is set in the future where you are a humanoid named Sol Cutter,
who has a computer implanted in your brain. While stealing data from
Softech, a software company, a virus gets implanted into your neural
computer. You have two hours to get it out, or your brain will turn
to mush.
I have to say, it's really cool... A warning though: this game contains
some offensive language, quite a bit of blood and graphic violent scenes,
as well as some mild nudity. I don't think I would recommend it for
young kids.
That said, it has to be one of the best games of its kind for CD-i.
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90393 22-OCT 03:27 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90391)
From: MITHELEN To: BOISY
I keep looking for Burn:Cycle but haven't been able to find it locally!
(and even not so locally) It is on my next to buy list though... Doyou
have Zelda? Or know how good it is? Ibe been considering that one too.
I LOVE Litil Divil! I'm up to the fourth level now...it is really an
entertaining game... I'd like to find a nice fast action shoot 'em up too.
--
Paul
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90395 22-OCT 10:30 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90393)
From: BOISY To: MITHELEN
> I keep looking for Burn:Cycle but haven't been able to find it locally!
> (and even not so locally) It is on my next to buy list though... Doyou
> have Zelda? Or know how good it is? Ibe been considering that one too.
> I LOVE Litil Divil! I'm up to the fourth level now...it is really an
> entertaining game... I'd like to find a nice fast action shoot 'em up
Actually, I ordered Burn:Cycle directly from Philips. They have an
800 order number (sorry, I don't have it with me now) where you can
call and order titles.
I've seen Zelda at Sears. It looks ok, don't know much else.
Microcosm looks really cool. It's much the same as Microscopic
Mission, but is FMV and has lots of cool graphics.
I'm glad you're enjoying your CD-i player dude. If you don't have
Burn:Cycle soon, I'll bring it over when I go to Chi-town in a couple
of weeks.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
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90396 22-OCT 10:35 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90388)
From: JOHNREED To: DIGIGRADE
> Is it like Road Rash? If you don't know what Road Rash is, it's a game
> of racing on scenic public highways for A> Big bucks, or B> Big brusies.
ahhhh, memories
----- there I was, sometime in the middle 60's, hustling back from
Albequerque NM to San Angelo TX (trying to get back before the
First Sergeant at Goodfellow AFB found out I was gone) ---
I hit a patch of oil on a curve and the motorcycle squirted out from
under me like a watermellon seed. I found myself travelling down the
asphalt on the seat of my pants at about 55mph -- hands out in front,
still gripping the missing handlebars -- wondering what happened.
THAT, my friend, is ROAD RASH.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90397 22-OCT 12:12 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90377)
From: JEJONES To: BOISY
As my late maternal grandfather used to say, "You ain't a-woofin'."
Folks--*Burn:Cycle* is incredible. If I say more, I'll sound like a
marketing person, so I'll just say, in the words of that great movie
reviewer and philosopher, Joe Bob Briggs, check it out.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90401 22-OCT 14:28 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90391)
From: JOHNBAER To: BOISY
> That said, it has to be one of the best games of its kind for CD-i.
Ok - Ok, I'll put this one on my Christmas wish list..
You _really_ know how to get to a guy, don't ya <g>.
If you don't cut it out, I'm going to start blabing about
`7th Guest'.. There!!! <Big Grin>.
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90402 22-OCT 14:41 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90396)
From: JRUPPEL To: JOHNREED
THAT, my friend, is called flat-siding your HINEY!!! <G>
xCocoNuts in Lansing
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90405 22-OCT 19:37 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90401)
From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER
I can't wait til I get 7th Guest and Kether in the mail (as well as comptons)
They were all freebies with my system.
I saw the FVM cartirdige for the Magnovox 450 today for the first time
while at Best Buy ($249) They also had the Magnovox 550, which is basically
the 450+FMV cart, + I think a better touchpad controller, for 499$. It included
Space Ace, and one other disk (Think it was comptons, or Smithsonian)
--
Paul
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90406 22-OCT 21:51 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90405)
From: JOHNBAER To: MITHELEN
Paul,
> I can't wait til I get 7th Guest and Kether in the mail (as well as
> comptons) They were all freebies with my system.
Your going to love 7th Guest & Kether. Right now, I'm almost
finished 7th Guest... I'll just say that 7th Guest is very puzzling<g>.
> I saw the FVM cartirdige...
I hope your getting this if you already don't have it. It's a
must have for the CD Movies & the newer games. By using this hardware
I feel that there isn't a computer game that comes close to CDi.
--
John -
< Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
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90408 22-OCT 23:09 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90381)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
When viewed with the perspective that you are talking to OS-9 literate
people (such as here), your statements make perfect sense, and the person
would know what you meant. Talking to a person familiar with other computers
and possibly NOT CD-I, it
would be misleading to them. Those familiar with CD-I would understand you
perfectly though. And you are right.. we do tend to ignore the embedded
applications!
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90419 23-OCT 14:06 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90406)
From: MITHELEN To: JOHNBAER (NR)
Yes, I already have the FMV cart. I got the Magnovox 200 player (looks like
the Philips 220) and yes, it is a must have item. I'd like to see Myst done
for CDi... I played that on my friends PeeCee and it was great (we actually
solved it) quite an involving game...
--
Paul
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End of Thread.
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90378 20-OCT 20:58 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90375)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
Are you going to make that "magic disk" available, or can it be purchased
from Microware?
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90380 20-OCT 23:16 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90378)
From: BOISY To: DSRTFOX
>Are you going to make that "magic disk" available, or can it be purchased
>from Microware?
"No" on both parts of the question. Some other enterprising person could
probably make a call to one of the many CD-i title producing companies
and see about making such a disk available though.
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90407 22-OCT 23:05 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90380)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
What is needed on the disk? That would be the problem. Just a shell and some
utils? Which version shell, and which utils!!
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90412 23-OCT 01:39 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90407)
From: BOISY To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> What is needed on the disk? That would be the problem. Just a shell and
> some utils? Which version shell, and which utils!!
>
Any shell would do (there are several public domain shells such as
'sh' and 'bash') MW utilities would probably be out, since they
can only be obtained via license. One would have to write public
domain clones of mfree, procs, etc. unless licenses are bought.
To be honest, I really don't know how licensing is done.
If you want to do it, establish a rapport with a CD-i developer.
It will take some work, but it's definitely doable without any
MW software involved.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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End of Thread.
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90382 21-OCT 00:12 General Information
RE: HD (Re: Msg 90373)
From: DIETER To: DSRTFOX
> You can still get a Ken-Ton controller. The current price is $135 with a
> cable and 512 byte sector software (shareware from Matt Thompson) for OS-9
> only. The 256 byte sector drivers for OS-9 and RGB-DOS (for DECB access) is
> an additional $50 (which is my cost... $60 without interface). The 512 byte
> sector drivers SHOULD work with any SCSI hard drive. Do note that the KT unit
> is only guaranteed to work with Seagate N series drives with ROM revision 105
> or greater.
I have a Quantum 105 LSP Drive, do's the KT SCSI controller card work with that
drive?
Dieter
Dieter
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90409 22-OCT 23:16 General Information
RE: HD (Re: Msg 90382)
From: DSRTFOX To: DIETER (NR)
Technically, the KT is a standard SCSI inteface and should work with ANY
SCSI drive. You will need Matt Thompson's 512 byte sector drivers. A shareware
version is available here on Delphi or I can send them on disk. The reality
is that the KT is only guaranteed by the manufacturer (and therefore by me
also) to work with the Seagate N series drives. If the Quantum supports 256
byte sectors, it should work with the KT drivers and RGB-DOS (for DECB access)
also. RGB-DOS should work with a 512 byte sector drive, but will only recognize
256 bytes of each sector. Starting now, all KT interfaces will be shipped with
a cable at no extra charge. This is to save ME headaches! I just need to know
if you are using a SCSI case or connecting directly to the drive.
I suggest you d/l at least the docs for the SCSISYS drivers from here and look
them over. If you think you can follow those instructions and set it up, go
for it! The only warning I must give is that the interface can't be returned
for refund if it doesn't work with a drive other than a Seagate N series
with ROM revision 105 or greater (that ROM supports 256 byte sectors).
Frank Swygert
FARNA Systems
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End of Thread.
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90384 21-OCT 15:30 General Information
LinkUp
From: BOISY To: NIMITZ
Someone brought up the fact that LinkUp doesn't do CIS B+ Protocol.
Well... as of this morning, it does. I added it in, and it works well
in both receive and transfer modes. With a bit more testing and
a few bug fixes, LinkUp should be due for another release shortly.
Thanks to Mark Griffith, BTW, for generously allowing me to use his
CIS B+ code from STerm.
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90386 21-OCT 21:33 General Information
RE: LinkUp (Re: Msg 90384)
From: NIMITZ To: BOISY
Great! That was very Generous of Mark, BTW. I appreciate it very much.
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End of Thread.
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90385 21-OCT 20:59 General Information
RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 90366)
From: CHARLESAM To: DIETER (NR)
Thanx Dieter, I got the printer problem in hand, doing as you suggested.
Right now I got real headaches caused by a HD crash in Atlanta. Had to
dump my HD and start from scratch. I'm getting frequent crashes nows
under my thrown together system and I'll be awhile ironing out the bugs.
Again THANX! ...
..Charlie...
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90410 22-OCT 23:20 General Information
RE: Nitros9 and Graphics (Re: Msg 90385)
From: DSRTFOX To: CHARLESAM (NR)
Charlie, your MPI is strapped, isn't it? The only other thing I can think of
for you to check on that HD system is the contacts. Clean ALL (including those
on the PC/XT card in the B&B metal case) with a pencil eraser, and spray the
contacts inside the connectors with tuner or contact cleaner (available from
RS or other electronics stores). Those cause intermittent, hard to find
problems! Doing that on the first signs of little, frequent errors will help.
Usually every other year or three is enough.
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End of Thread.
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90387 21-OCT 22:08 General Information
RE: ZModem weirdness (Re: Msg 90333)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: MITHELEN
I've used `z' and `sz' to upload to Delphi, although I did manage
to find an annoying bug in Delphi's upload support that makes it
somewhat annoying to upload ASCII files using `z.' Basically,
don't do ASCII uploads to Delphi using `z.' I think `sz'
defaults to binary, so you're less likely to encounter the bug
there.
- Tim
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90392 22-OCT 01:21 General Information
RE: ZModem weirdness (Re: Msg 90387)
From: COCOKIWI To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
YOU also get weirdness when one DOWNLOADS a TEXT file also! "SLOW"
like 300 bps or less
Dennis
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End of Thread.
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90398 22-OCT 14:09 General Information
CD-i
From: PHXKEN To: DSRTFOX
Frank, your interest is peeking into CD-i but be aware that a game
rental place here is Phoenix is selling a Phillips (single speed) for
$150.00 used. Even my local Sears still has one in the basement that
was their floor demo for a while. Make sure that the Phillips is
a current model befor you buy. The little Magnavox units are all
new and will be double spin speed but I do not know about ports. Mine
has a wired joystick, an external power supply, top loads and has
5v port for who knows what and the video and stereo outlets. The
digital video cartridge can be installed though the top. Some of
the more deluxe Magnavox units could be of the older issue as well.
I have found that here, the best prices on software are from Best Buy.
Whereas the best variety is available at Incredible Universe and it's
prices are still somewhat less than the mail-order list prices.
Best (not Best Buy) is also marketing the Magnavox unit like mine but
their software prices are at list (strange for a discount store).
Service Merchandise does discount software a little but not much here.
Hope this helps with your LEAP.
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90411 22-OCT 23:27 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90398)
From: DSRTFOX To: PHXKEN (NR)
I was aware that some of the front loaders were the older Phillips machines,
but not that they were single speed.... or rather I wasn't aware the newer
ones were double speed! I'll still look for the 550 at $499... especially if
it has (as someone here mentioned) the FVM in it as well. Seems that the
top loader doesn't, and you end up paying $500 when you buy both separate.
But then that's $500 over time.. not all at once!
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90416 23-OCT 11:18 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90411)
From: JEJONES To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> I'll still look for the 550 at $499...
> especially if it has (as someone here mentioned) the FVM in it as well.
The 550 is the top loader with FMV already in it, and I've seen it at
Babbage's for $500 minus epsilon.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90399 22-OCT 14:14 General Information
CD-i_INCA
From: PHXKEN To: ALL
I'm stuck at the arrows in INCA. Anyone passing this point..please
advise in private mail. Thank you.
I've tried all the PC GAME SIGS and World of Video etc with no answers.
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90400 22-OCT 14:15 General Information
CD-i_BurnCycle
From: PHXKEN To: ALL
This game is for the $200 add-on digital video cartridge...RIGHT?
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90403 22-OCT 17:19 General Information
RE: CD-i_BurnCycle (Re: Msg 90400)
From: BOISY To: PHXKEN (NR)
Burn:Cycle does not require the DVI cartridge. That's right, you can
play it WITHOUT the FMV cart. Even without using the DV cartridge, it
still looks *way cool.*
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90417 23-OCT 11:18 General Information
RE: CD-i_BurnCycle (Re: Msg 90400)
From: JEJONES To: PHXKEN (NR)
> This game is for the $200 add-on digital video cartridge...RIGHT?
No. *Burn:Cycle* does NOT require the Digital Video cartridge. It
looks pretty darned good even so.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90404 22-OCT 18:35 General Information
ViVa 14.4k Fax/Modem
From: BOISY To: ALL
I picked up a ViVa 14.4k Fax/Modem today from Best Buy for an
unbelievable price: $99.95 new in the box! It was too good of a deal
to pass up; if anyone is interested in it, I'd like to sell it for he
cost + something for shipping.
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90413 23-OCT 04:22 General Information
IFF/SND files
From: DGANTZ To: BOISY
Is there any way you or your fellow MM/1'ers could come up with a CoCo II/III
player for the MM/1 IFF/SND sound files? I, as well as many CoCo users, fell
left out because we simply cannot afford MM/1's or any major upgrades in
hardware.
Thanx
Dave
PS. If the answer is yes, it would be nice if there was a RSDos version
as well as OS9.
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90414 23-OCT 10:15 General Information
RE: IFF/SND files (Re: Msg 90413)
From: BOISY To: DGANTZ (NR)
Sorry you feel left out, but I left the CoCo a while back. If you want
the software, you should really consider upgrading to an OSK machine.
There's a new OSK machine that is really affordable now, BTW. It's
from Wittman Computer Products, based on a 68306 and has an IDE
interface, floppy interface, 4 PC ISA slots, and is only $400. All
you need to add is a case and power supply, a floppy drive and a
hard drive. You can then add a graphics card in one of the PC slots to
run an OS-9 windowing system.
Bill Wittman's address is WW2150@ACSPR1.acs.brockport.edu
I suggest an MM/1, but if cost is really a factor, this might be a good
entry level OSK machine.
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90415 23-OCT 11:08 General Information
RE: Gopher Problems here. (Re: Msg 90351)
From: DBREEDING To: GREGL (NR)
I may as well ask you to hold MY hand, too..
It seems I might have encountered something like JOHNBAER, also, RE:
fileserver not recognizing the .ar extension. Or maybe I could be doing
something wrong. I went into Chestnut Incoming and tried to get an ".ar"
file, I got the msg "file doesn't appear to be ASCII", or something like
that, but it did not ask me if I wanted to try BINARY. I was making my
attempts from the menu. Was I doing something wrong.. Is there some place
where you set binary or something? I was doing all this from within the
OS9 Menu.
If one wants to do binary xfers, should one just go to the main Internet
sig?
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90418 23-OCT 13:15 General Information
RE: Shell+ 2.2a bug (Re: Msg 90347)
From: 01GEN40 To: MITHELEN
Hi Paul,
Understood. I guess I will just sit back and wait for another "bugfix"
version to come out that "really" gets rid of the '.' when using the ESC
key or CTRL-E to break out of a program. This could be quite annoying
for someone trying to work out a problem in a program and having the need
to use the ESC key to terminate it and get back to the source code.
Thanks for the info, Paul. See ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
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90420 23-OCT 15:00 General Information
4 X the typo's
From: MRUPGRADE To: BOISY
Well,, Boisy,, here I am at 9600 (thanks to you of course).
Now I can leave typo's & mispelled woids <G> 4 times as fast.
Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90422 23-OCT 17:49 General Information
RE: 4 X the typo's (Re: Msg 90420)
From: BOISY To: MRUPGRADE
> Well,, Boisy,, here I am at 9600 (thanks to you of course).
> Now I can leave typo's & mispelled woids <G> 4 times as fast.
>
> Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
>
That's ok, Terry. So long as you don't leave 4 times the typos, we'll
be ok. :-)
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
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I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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90421 23-OCT 17:15 General Information
RE: Shell+ 2.2a bug (Re: Msg 90418)
From: MMCCLELLAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
My version of Shellplus 2.2a doesn't leave a '.' anywhere when using <ESC>.
Rather, it gives 'ERROR #246'es repeatedly. The only way to break is with a
<CTRL> <ESC> and then a <SHIFT> <ESC> following it. This causes an EOF. Are
you using the SCF that came with Shell+? This seems to be what is causing the
problem in my machine, but using the old SCF is even worse. The new SCF doesn't
let one click the mouse button to unpause text output to a window either, and
the new Shell+ doesn't support logging functions. Someone should inform the
author of these problems.
-=Mark=-
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90423 23-OCT 18:20 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90416)
From: DSRTFOX To: JEJONES
What I really want is a front-loader with the FMV. Is it still made?
Would look nice with my Kenwood stereo system then!
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90440 24-OCT 07:01 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90423)
From: JEJONES To: DSRTFOX (NR)
> What I really want is a front-loader with the FMV. Is it still made?
You can still get the front-loader and then get the optional FMV cartridge;
I don't know of a front-loader with FMV built in yet...though the GoldStar
player, from what I've read in the magazines, is supposed to have FMV built
in. (Now, do I remember whether it's front or top loading? No, I don't.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90424 23-OCT 18:37 General Information
Quality Software
From: MREGC To: ALL
If any MM/1 owners, and particularly programmers, haven't downloaded Boisy
Pitre's program LinkUp yet, please do so immediately. This is *exactly* how
MM/1 programs should have been looking over the last 4 years!
This program has been released as freeware, and yet it puts most other MM/1
programs, including most commercial releases (and, I'm ashamed to admit, the
utilities I've written), to shame.
This program has set a new standard. Can we match it?
EXCELLENT work Boisy!
..Eric...
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90425 23-OCT 18:39 General Information
Help with 1.2MB 5.25"
From: BOISY To: ALL
Hi all,
I just purchased a TEAC FD-55GFR 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drive for my
MM/1. I cannot seem to read CoCo OS-9 formatted disks with the
following dmode parameters:
name=c1
drv=1 stp=3 typ=$24 dns=$01 cyl=40 sid=2 vfy=1 (off) sct=18 t0s=18
sas=8 ilv=3 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=1 ssize=256 cntl=$0000 trys=0 lun=0
wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=80 ctrlrid=0 rates=$10
scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535
When I attempt to read, I get an error #247. The light comes on and
the drive is apparently trying to read the disk.
I recall hearing discussion that some 5.25" drives use a different
spin rate to read hi-density while others use a different data rate.
While I'm not trying to read a hi-density disk in this case, I wonder
if this drive will work as a 1.2 meg floppy?
Does anyone have any experience with this drive on the MM/1? I would
appreciate any answers. If I can't use the drive, I'm taking it back.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
|_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0 OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems
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90432 23-OCT 23:02 General Information
RE: Help with 1.2MB 5.25" (Re: Msg 90425)
From: JOHNBAER To: BOISY
Boisy,
> I just purchased a TEAC FD-55GFR 1.2MB 5.25" floppy drive for my
> MM/1. I cannot seem to read CoCo OS-9 formatted disks with the
> following dmode parameters:
>
> name=c1
> drv=1 stp=3 typ=$24 dns=$01 cyl=40 sid=2 vfy=1 (off) sct=18 t0s=18
> sas=8 ilv=3 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=1 ssize=256 cntl=$0000 trys=0 lun=0
> wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=80 ctrlrid=0 rates=$10
> scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535
>
> When I attempt to read, I get an error #247. The light comes on and
> the drive is apparently trying to read the disk.
Try playing with the `dns' bits above.. like dns=$02 or 3 and
see if that works. I don't have a 5.25 on the MM/1, just use
the 3.5 to read my old coco 3.5 inch disk... Hope that helps.
--
John
johnbaer@delphi.com < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
jbaer@pacs.pha.pa.us "Clipper Chip - Big Brother Inside !"
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90435 24-OCT 01:45 General Information
RE: Help with 1.2MB 5.25" (Re: Msg 90425)
From: AJMLFCO To: BOISY
I can't speak specifically to any OS9 aspects of the 1.2M
5-1/4" drives but I can report that they are nothing but
trouble in MS-DOS systems. They work fine for reading and
writing in the high density mode (360 RPM, 500 kHz data).
Nothing but trouble, though when trying to be compatable with
the 40 track, 360k disks. If you can get your hands on a copy of
"Upgrading and Repairing PC's", take a look at chapter 8, where
the author devotes about three pages to explaining the problems.
I don't know what additional problems you may encounter dur
opps - due- to the pecularities of OS9. I use a 3.5" hd on my
Kix\30 and can transfer easily, in 720k mode, between the Kix
and the CoCo and from the CoCo to MS-Dos using "PCdos". I
believe the 3.5" is the way to go!
Allen Morgan
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90438 24-OCT 05:42 General Information
RE: Help with 1.2MB 5.25" (Re: Msg 90425)
From: EDELMAR To: BOISY
Boisy,
Hi density 5 1/4" drives run at 360 RPM. To read CoCo disks (or universal
format disks), you need to change the drive speed to 300 RPM. So far as
I know, the only way of doing this is to find the jumpers on the drive and
strap them - not all drives have jumpers. The other alternative is to
find a 360K (or 720k) drive.
Hi density 3 1/2" drives look for the second hold in the disk to determine
and set the speed. Therefore, much easier to write a descriptor for them.
Ed
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90426 23-OCT 20:00 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90391)
From: DIGIGRADE To: BOISY
> Burn:Cycle is not about racing; it's a common misconception.
>
> Burn:Cycle is a first person perspective game (like Doom) but with
> all sorts of mini-movies and a good plot. You get/put things just
> like in an adventure game.
>
> The game is set in the future where you are a humanoid named Sol Cutter,
> who has a computer implanted in your brain. While stealing data from
> Softech, a software company, a virus gets implanted into your neural
> computer. You have two hours to get it out, or your brain will turn
> to mush.
>
> I have to say, it's really cool... A warning though: this game contains
> some offensive language, quite a bit of blood and graphic violent scenes,
> as well as some mild nudity. I don't think I would recommend it for
> young kids.
>
> That said, it has to be one of the best games of its kind for CD-i.
>
Sounds great, I'll be on the lookout for it.
Dave
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90427 23-OCT 20:00 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90393)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MITHELEN
> I LOVE Litil Divil! I'm up to the fourth level now...it is really an
> entertaining game... I'd like to find a nice fast action shoot 'em up
What's that one about?
Dave
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90428 23-OCT 20:00 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90396)
From: DIGIGRADE To: JOHNREED
> > Is it like Road Rash? If you don't know what Road Rash is, it's a game
> > of racing on scenic public highways for A> Big bucks, or B> Big
> > brusies.
>
> ahhhh, memories
>
> ----- there I was, sometime in the middle 60's, hustling back from
> Albequerque NM to San Angelo TX (trying to get back before the
> First Sergeant at Goodfellow AFB found out I was gone) ---
>
> I hit a patch of oil on a curve and the motorcycle squirted out from
> under me like a watermellon seed. I found myself travelling down the
> asphalt on the seat of my pants at about 55mph -- hands out in front,
> still gripping the missing handlebars -- wondering what happened.
>
> THAT, my friend, is ROAD RASH.
Yipes! I would love to own a motorcycle though.
Dave
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90429 23-OCT 20:41 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90427)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE
Litil Divil is kinda a dungeon gam. You are a runt Devil called "Mutt" sent
on a mission to retrieve lost souls from the abyss... There are 6 levels
to work up through, each getting harder as you progress. On each level, you
will find pizza, which is used a curency at the shop on each level to buy
necessary items to complete your quest. There are several doorways on each
level, that require you to complete some task (combat, figure out a puzzle
or a skill type thing) after you "solve" the room, the corridor will open
to another part of the level...
The graphics are of course great, and it has a lot of subtle humor in it. It
is pretty difficult to get killed, but some of the doorways are really
a challange to get past...
--
Paul
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90436 24-OCT 05:04 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90396)
From: COCOKIWI To: JOHNREED
OUCH!..i know how THAT feels! how about a dog zigging when he should have
zagged! Dog out with Master<$%#$#$> Master is across street<Calls D-O-G>
as I go BY..D-O-g \/ <under wheel> Me zipping along with NO bike! got up
NO dog No Master! did NOT even check to see if I was Ok!Dog had a chunk taken
out of him! he left a chunk of skin and meat behind!<grin>
mind you I was only going 30mph at the time! WET! Seattle weather!
I had a Honda 450 back then<1981>...........
Dennis
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90439 24-OCT 07:01 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90427)
From: JEJONES To: DIGIGRADE
> > I LOVE Litil Divil! I'm up to the fourth level now...it is really an
> > entertaining game... I'd like to find a nice fast action shoot 'em up
>
> What's that one about?
In *Litil Divil*, you play a demon who's in search of the Mystic Pizza of
Plenty. (*CDi* says that there's a sequel in the works, in which he's made
it into limbo.)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90441 24-OCT 21:08 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90401)
From: HAWKSOFT To: JOHNBAER
John:
> > That said, it has to be one of the best games of its kind for CD-i.
>
> Ok - Ok, I'll put this one on my Christmas wish list..
> You _really_ know how to get to a guy, don't ya <g>.
>
> If you don't cut it out, I'm going to start blabing about
> `7th Guest'.. There!!! <Big Grin>.
>
Go ahead and blab!! I'll join in! 7th is one twisted puzzle!!!! <G>
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
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90442 24-OCT 22:02 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90441)
From: JOHNBAER To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
Chris,
> Go ahead and blab!! I'll join in! 7th is one twisted puzzle!!!! <G>
(hehehe) - ONE twisted puzzle ?! Should I tell them, or do you
want to ? (Very Big Grin)...
John -
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90443 25-OCT 01:56 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90406)
From: DIGIGRADE To: JOHNBAER
> > I saw the FVM cartirdige...
>
> I hope your getting this if you already don't have it. It's a
> must have for the CD Movies & the newer games. By using this hardware
> I feel that there isn't a computer game that comes close to CDi.
I agree, 7th Guest must really look bad on the DOS machines. It BLEW
ME AWAY on CDI.
Doom is nice though.
Dave
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90444 25-OCT 03:51 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90443)
From: COCOKIWI To: DIGIGRADE
easy now! I HAVE that on MY 486 .as far as I can see tis OK! No changes
were made,It was just ported over into other formats! All thou! I have not seen
the CD-I version yet,Have a friend whom has CD-I but don,t have T7G....
anyway the NEW version is OUT!...so I hear!<grin> THAT will be something!
T7g was written for the IBM market long before CD-I came out! and was ported
over when CD-I bwas avalible!.........Tis ONLY the software that changes the
Graphics stay the same!<G>
Dennis
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90445 25-OCT 04:29 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90444)
From: DIGIGRADE To: COCOKIWI (NR)
I just don't think the MS-DOS version could have such hires graphics
and 16 million colors. The FMV is so smooth it looks like your'e watching
one of those "The Mind's Eye" tapes. You need to see it for yourself.
Dave
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90430 23-OCT 22:02 OSK Applications
Palm
From: MRGOOD To: BOISY
Boisy,
Tried to compile Palm V2.2 today. I'm having trouble with the termio.c
file. It gives me lots of errors which appear to be the result
of redundant #includes or #defines. I'm not much of a C person, so it's
hard to figure out how to fix it.
Also, I had to change #include <string.h> to strings.h.
Suggestions?
Hugo
PS. This is on an MM1 BTW.
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90433 24-OCT 00:25 OSK Applications
RE: Palm (Re: Msg 90430)
From: BOISY To: MRGOOD
> Boisy,
>
> Tried to compile Palm V2.2 today. I'm having trouble with the termio.c
> file. It gives me lots of errors which appear to be the result
> of redundant #includes or #defines. I'm not much of a C person, so it's
> hard to figure out how to fix it.
>
> Also, I had to change #include <string.h> to strings.h.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Hugo
>
> PS. This is on an MM1 BTW.
>
Can you capture the errors to a file? (i.e. make>>>compile.errors) and
mail the file to me?
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
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90431 23-OCT 22:30 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
***OS-9 Late Night***
Topic: Open Forum
Monday October 24 at 10:00pm Est
Bring your q's,comments, and ideas. This is free for any OS-
9/Coco or whatever discussion. I might not be able to make it, because
I have to work Tuesday morning(covering someones vacation hours), and
have to be up rather early. I'll try and make for the first half hour
or so, but if I can't make it, it shouldn't be any big deal. Just
'talk amongst yourselves'<Linda Rothman mode off<grin>> :-)
>Chris<
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90434 24-OCT 01:27 OSK Applications
OS9000
From: DPHILIPSEN To: ALL
Any OS9000 users out there? I am working on an OS9000 project that needs
some utilities for it. If you have a port of RSZ for OS9000 or if you
would like to make a few bucks porting RSZ to OS9000 leave me a message.
I could possibly even use a Ymodem program for OS9000. I'm too busy
writing other stuff to work on the communications programs.
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90437 24-OCT 05:42 General Information
RE: IFF/SND files (Re: Msg 90414)
From: EDELMAR To: BOISY
Boisy,
> There's a new OSK machine that is really affordable now, BTW. ...
I believe that announcement may be somewhat incomplete and misleading.
Bill Wittman has committed to Kreider to sell his boards. We (Delmar)
have also been talking to Kreider re his board but are waiting to receive
the first board for evaluation. We will be offering it if -
1) it works properly.
2) we think there is a market for it.
> You can then add a graphics card in one of the PC slots to run an
> OS-9 windowing system.
Maybe. It will depend on the gfx card. Kreider intends to have MGR
ported to it. MGR will be the public domain, unsupported version.
Bringing MGR into the personal market place will simply add another windowing
system. What software, etc. will be written and made available for it?
According to the last conversation I had with him, they hadn't made a
final selection of the gfx card. I will probably do a port of G-WINDOWS for
it regardless of whether I sell the machine or not. But, it will be
only for cards using the TSENG LABS ET-4000(xx) chip set. Also, I don't
know whether he will write a driver for a video card to permit it to
run in the native mode (without a windowing package). I understand a
port of K-Windows is also planned but this will be a major effort. I
suspect availability will fall into the same category as the ports of
K-Windows for the SYSTEMs IV & V.
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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90446 25-OCT 15:50 General Information
RE: Gopher Problems here. (Re: Msg 90415)
From: GREGL To: DBREEDING (NR)
For the time being, download binary files with the real FTP software in the
Internet SIG. Presumably Delphi is working on the Gopher problem, but I haven't
heard any response yet. I hope either the problem gets fixed (and soon)
or we get an FTP client in the SIGs.
-- Greg
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90510 30-OCT 21:41 Programmers Den
Dithering
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
Does anyone have a dithering algorithm? preferably non-coco/OS9 specific.
any language is ok with me... thanks in advance...
-(*) Mike
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90518 31-OCT 04:35 Programmers Den
RE: Dithering (Re: Msg 90510)
From: EDELMAR To: ILLUSIONIST
Mike,
> Does anyone have a dithering algorithm?
There are quite a few dithering algorithms and variants available. Some
of the books on graphics cover the subject. 'Bit-Mapped Graphics' by Steve
Rimmer ISBN 0-8306-3558-0 from Windcrest Books (TAB Books) has a chapter on
dithering. Covers some of the algorithms and provides C code examples.
Additional info is available from Rimmer's second book, 'Supercharged
Bitmapped Graphics', ISBN 0-8306-3788-5, same publisher. The second book
includes a disk (MSDOS) with the code examples. You will probably find more
information in past issues of C-Users Journal and Dr Dobbs Journal. Don't
forget INTERNET; using Gopher, you can get a wealth of sources.
Ed
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90511 30-OCT 23:30 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90481)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Hi Neal; Give my version of Ram a try, its self initializing (as in don't
format it, doesn't need it).
I wrote (or re-wrote) it because I got tired of having the C compiler
puke at either ansifront or c.pass1 because the original would de-initialize
itself when c.prep closed out the file it just wrote. This on won't lose
the compilers output. I have 2 megs here, and there is not any 6309 specific
codes in it alltho I do have Nitros9 here myself. You can set this one to
any memory size you want, mine is currently set at about a meg. You can
nge the size if ya want, but to control fragmentation, its
best to change it to the size you want with dmode (modify the sct value)
before opening the first file to it.
Have fun, its here in the database, under system I think, search on ram
and grab the newest one. Cheers, Gene Heskett
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90525 31-OCT 21:19 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90511)
From: WDTV5 To: WDTV5
Humm, there I go again, talking to myself! Anyway, NEALSTEWARD I told
you WRONG! I got to thinkin after I wrote that, and figured I had better
check my code again for 6809 compatibility. 'tain't!!! Not only did I
use several of the 16 bit shift commands which would be fixable easily,
but I also used one of the new 6309 registers. Thats not easily worked
around without a more major re-write. Therefore I have to say that
this code, while not requireing the Native mode patches, does require
a genuine HD63B09EP to run on. So I made a booboo! It's Halloween.
Sorry all who havn't yet put on in. Get one, its well worth the effort
to install it even if only to cool the coco off since it runs at room
tempurature, no heat at all.
Cheers, Gene
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90512 30-OCT 23:39 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90467)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Humm, thids sounds like maybe yur using the older clock module. I used to
have problems that way till I started using at least the Edition 9 clocks.
Do you have the multipack sockets all strapped at pin 8? Only one thing
bothers me, you said "exactly 3". If it was the clock, it should oughta be
1, 2 or 3 on a random basis at 2400 baud. Sounds like the clock, but doesn't
quite totally fit the expected symptoms. Is there any more you can tell us?
Cheers, Gene
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90513 31-OCT 00:55 General Information
RE: chd-ing in OS9 SIG (Re: Msg 90487)
From: WA2EGP To: DIGIGRADE
Or type yb 2 in another window?......
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90528 1-NOV 06:51 General Information
RE: chd-ing in OS9 SIG (Re: Msg 90513)
From: DIGIGRADE To: WA2EGP (NR)
> Or type yb 2 in another window?......
Yep, done something like that too. Yea, I remember, I typed rz to start
Delphi's end. I'm glad Linkup has auto z detect. Strangely, it doesn't
_allways_ work. It isn't all that hard to point, click, and start it manual.
^
^What do you think Boisy?
Dave
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90514 31-OCT 00:59 General Information
RE: VIS (Re: Msg 90507)
From: WA2EGP To: JEJONES
I my area they sold both at the SAME TIME and you can guess why the VIS
machine was always on. Also only 750 high volume stores got one Memorex
machine to see if it would sell. Darn things were never turning on in the
stores I frequented. (Darn...turned on....too late at night for typing)
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90524 31-OCT 21:12 General Information
RE: VIS (Re: Msg 90491)
From: HAWKSOFT To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
Mike:
> What is a VIS machine?
>
VIS is a consumer product similar to the Phillips CD-i machines. However,
it uses (used?) MS-DOS (ugh!) type CD discs and (I'm told) runs Windows NT
(ugh ugh!!) for a operating system.
Chris
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90515 31-OCT 03:12 General Information
RE: IFF/SND files (Re: Msg 90414)
From: DGANTZ To: BOISY
Thanx for the reply. I can't afford even the base $400 for the OSK machine.
Not to mention, making an attempt to sell my CoCo 3 system. I'm not about
conditions that might even put the MM/1 under and would definitely put the IBM
under. Besides that, why should I fix that which need not be fixed. Would
you and/or your group consider releasing the source code for IFF/SND files
to someone still of the CoCo III group for conversion? Or maybe provide
the important clues to develope our own?
Thanx again
Dave
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90516 31-OCT 03:14 General Information
RE: IFF/SND files (Re: Msg 90451)
From: DGANTZ To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
Let me see if I understand Mark. Are you saying that the IFF and SND sound
files follow the
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90517 31-OCT 03:21 General Information
IFF/SND files
From: DGANTZ To: MMCCLELLAND (NR)
Oops. Hit enter twice by accident.
Anyway, let me see if I understand correctly. Your saying that IFF and
SND digitized sound files basically follow the Mac and Amiga sound file
format (which as I understand it are the only ones that Play plays)??
Can you provide me with OS9 Level II Play command line arguments?
I have several versions of Play distributed in archive as play3, play4,
and play5.
I'd really appreciate any additional help you could provide.
Many Thanx
Dave
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90519 31-OCT 06:45 OSK Applications
UUDECODE
From: TELENUT To: ALL
Where can I find the uncoder that decodes binaries on usenet?
Dave
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90520 31-OCT 15:07 General Information
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 90506)
From: GREGL To: NIMITZ (NR)
A little more palatable perhaps, but still worthy of 'last resort' status. :-)
-- Greg
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90521 31-OCT 19:24 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90509)
From: JOHNREED To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Uhh, excuse me! What do motorcycles and bicycles have to do with Burn:
> Cycle for CD-i or computers and OS-9 for that matter. I just went through
> a good 15 to 20 messages and no of them where about what I read these
messages
> for.
Well, I guess I started it. Somebody mentioned "Road Rash", and
it reminded me of an unplanned high-speed dismount from a motor-
cycle many years ago. It seems a lot of others had similar memories
and comments.
This is indeed the OS9 discussion area, BUT it is also a gathering
of friends, and we often wander off the original subject now and
then.
I plead guilty, Mr Thread Policeman, sir, slap the cuffs on --
I'll go quietly.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90527 31-OCT 23:21 General Information
RE: Burn:Cycle for CD-i (Re: Msg 90483)
From: DSRTFOX To: RICKULAND (NR)
I ahve NEVER riden in the dirt!~ Well, you can't really count dirt roads and
some hard-packed trails through the woods ("tractor roads" as we called them
mostly) on a street/trail 125 my brother once had. It was more street than
trail anyway... not like the street legal enduros they make now.. no where
NEAR that kind of ground clearance! Was made for rough roads and some trails,
but not all-out dirt!!
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90522 31-OCT 20:48 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90501)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LARRYOLSON
> NEC CD player at the Atlanta fest. The bad news is that I have been
> unable to get it to work. I am hopeing that you can shed some light
Larry, We may be in the same boat. My MM1 has a WD33c93-PL SCSI
chip. The VCDP player will not work with it. A WD33c93-A (revision
A) is required. Chris will know more but Karl Krieder tells me the
scsi_mm1d scsi routines require the A revision. Ray Patterson is
chasing down I/O probelms associated with WD33c93 chip and hopes
to have some insights in a couple of weeks.
Bests
---TedJaeger
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90529 1-NOV 06:51 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90501)
From: DIGIGRADE To: LARRYOLSON (NR)
> Chris,
> I don't know if you remember me, but I was the one that bought your
> NEC CD player at the Atlanta fest. The bad news is that I have been
> unable to get it to work. I am hopeing that you can shed some light
> on what I may be doing wrong.
> drive and floptical didn't lock up, but doing an access of the hard drive
> would take about 4 times longer than normal. The player program would come
Wow, the same with me. I *knew* it wasn't just me.
> up but none of the functions would work. The buttons would click up
> and down but I didn't seem to be getting anything from the player. The
> QUIT button wouldn't work, the only way to get out was to shut off the
> computer. I thought that I might be having cable problems, so I ordered
> new connectors and cable, and when they showed up, I made a new SCSI
> cable, but I still had the same problem, the program didn't appear to
> be reading the CD, none of the pushbuttons did anything, and the hard
> drive access time was a whole lot longer than normal.
> I even disconnected the flopitical drive from the SCSI cable to see
> if that might be the problem, but still the same results.
Hmm, this is just the same thing with my CD-ROM Drive (same make &
model). Chris, FYI my problem is just what he's describing.
Dave
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90523 31-OCT 21:05 OSK Applications
PALM
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
Has anyone here managed to compile Palm for OSK on an MM1 with the
stock C compiler? I've tried but can't get it to work. It appears that
several non-standard string functions are used - namely strtok, strchr, er,
that's it. Also, _environ seems to be a problem.
Any hints/help greatly appreciated.
Hugo
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90526 31-OCT 21:28 General Information
RE: internet (Re: Msg 90489)
From: CHYDE To: DONALDS (NR)
Yup still here, playing in the big city ;). How's the Sandpoint area?
Chris
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90530 1-NOV 08:17 General Information
CD-i 800 support
From: BOISY To: ALL
#: 49748 S6/Philips CD-i
Mon 31-Oct-94 17:03:54
Sb: #CD-i Software Support
Fm: Lucy Lediaev [Philips] 72056,1130
To: All
Dear Forum Members,
I am pleased to announce that as of today, Monday, October 31, 1994, a group at
Philips Interactive Media in Los Angeles is responsible for all support of
Philips Media CD-i and CD-ROM software products in the United States. (Those
outside the US should obtain support from the Philips organization in the local
country.) The telephone number for this group is 800 340 7888; this is the
number that will be on software packaging in the US from now on.
This new group is comprised of experienced CD-i software support personnel, a
PIMA product test veteran and some new employees. We are able to answer gneral
consumer questions about CD-i, about specific titles in both CD-i and CD-ROM
formats, about title availability, and we can take orders, and give gameplay
hints. We can also send an information package to prospective developers.
Phone hours for the new software support group are 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. M, T, W,
and F; 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on Thursday, and 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday, Pacific
Time.
Please let me know if you have any comments or questions about US phone support
for Philips CD-i and CD-ROM titles.
We look forward to supporting our CIS forum friends,
Lucy Lediaev
Director, Customer Support
Philips Interactive Media
P.S. CD-I hardware and accessory support is available from Philips Consumer
Electronics at 800 531 0039.
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90531 1-NOV 20:16 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90529)
From: MITHELEN To: DIGIGRADE
sounds like termination troubles... The mm/1 seems to be perticularly
fussy about termination... I've had to play all sorts of games gettiung
different scsi devices setup and working on my mm/1.
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90534 1-NOV 20:54 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90501)
From: HAWKSOFT To: LARRYOLSON
> Chris,
> I don't know if you remember me, but I was the one that bought your
> NEC CD player at the Atlanta fest. The bad news is that I have been
> unable to get it to work. I am hopeing that you can shed some light
> on what I may be doing wrong.
Hi Larry!
Sure I do!!!
> I currently have 1 hard drive and 1 floptical on the SCSI buss. The
> hard drive uses SCSI controller ID $00, and the floptical uses ID $02.
> This is on a 8 meg MM/1. I havn't gone with the MM/1a yet.
>
> The CD drive was set up to use SCSI ID $01, so I thought I was all
> set, so on my first attempt to hook it up, I just crimped a 50 pin
> connector on the SCSI ribbon cable, powered up, loaded the CD
> programs, and tried vcdp &. The program screen would come up but the
> access lights on the hard drive and floptical would come on and go into a
> state where the computer was locked up. I had seen that the CD drive had
> the switch set for internal termination, and thought that that might be
> the problem so I switched termination off. With termination OFF, the hard
> drive and floptical didn't lock up, but doing an access of the hard drive
> would take about 4 times longer than normal. The player program would come
> up but none of the functions would work. The buttons would click up
> and down but I didn't seem to be getting anything from the player. The
> QUIT button wouldn't work, the only way to get out was to shut off the
> computer. I thought that I might be having cable problems, so I ordered
> new connectors and cable, and when they showed up, I made a new SCSI
> cable, but I still had the same problem, the program didn't appear to
> be reading the CD, none of the pushbuttons did anything, and the hard
> drive access time was a whole lot longer than normal.
> I even disconnected the flopitical drive from the SCSI cable to see
> if that might be the problem, but still the same results.
>
> Do you have any ideas on what the problem might be ?
Check the following:
The descriptor (/cdr) is set to ctrlrid=1 isn't it ?? 'dmode /cdr' will
check it. 'dmode /cdr ctrlrid=1' will set it.
You made a new bootfile including cdr, rbrom, and replacing the old scsi_
mm1d with the new one. (I don't think that loading it will work 'cause they
have the same revision#. OS9 doesn't care that the Edition# is different.)
The old scsi_mm1d would cause the lock-up if memory serves.
You crimped the connector on correctly (pin one oriented to the mark on the
connector). I'm pretty sure you must have 'cause the new cable worked <g>!!
BTW the slow hard-drive access is caused by the termination switch being off.
It acted that way on my system as well. Should be on.
Let me know if all this doesn't help. (Or if it does!!)
Chris
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90546 3-NOV 01:15 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90522)
From: LARRYOLSON To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
Ted,
Thanks for some insight into the problem I'm having with the CDRom.
I checked the chip I have and it is a WD33c93A-PL. Is this a good one ?
I'm still unable to get vcdp too work. I spent the last few days going
through all my modules and making sure that I have all the highest
editions in my boot. But even with the new boot, I get the same results,
the control panel comes up on the screen, and you can click on the buttons
and they depress, but nothing happens. The QUIT button doesn't work either
so I end up shutting the computer off, because I can't kill the process,
and whatever the program is doing, it has sure taken over the SCSI bus,
hard drive access time goes out the window.
Please let me know if you get any more information on a fix.
Larry
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90532 1-NOV 20:22 OSK Applications
RE: PALM (Re: Msg 90523)
From: VAXELF To: MRGOOD
I have gotten palm to compile using MW V3.2 C compiler that came with
my MM/1. I suppect you are having the same problem I had. There was an
error in the Makefile, that prevented successful compiling. Also the
two functions you mention should be in the library files.
Send me a copy of your makefile and I'll take a look at it and see if
it matches mine.
BTW which Version are you compiling?
I am using version 2.2
John D.
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90539 2-NOV 21:06 OSK Applications
RE: PALM (Re: Msg 90532)
From: MRGOOD To: VAXELF (NR)
Hi John,
I'm trying to compile version 2.2. If it's only the makefile, that's great.
I'll email you what I have.
Hugo
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90533 1-NOV 20:53 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:Review
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
Well, with Halloween rearing it's ugly head last night, it came
as no suprise that the conference was a tad dead. We had a few people
stop by last night so it wound up being OK, but nothing great. I have
excused everyone who didn't show, THIS TIME for 2 reasons(but don't
let this happen again<Grin>).
One, I forgot to post the Sunday reminder. I apologize about
that. I didn't make it last week myself, so having that week off threw
me off track. My bad. Two, It was Halloween after all, and since this
is the only time of year that OS-9 diehards will get to go out and egg
Microsoft headquarters, without sticking out, well, I have no choice
but to excuse you. ;-)
Ok, on to the GOODer news :-) Frank Swygert of Farna Systems
dropped by last night to officially announce that he has taken over
the subscriptions to Up-Time magazine and merged it in with 'The World
of 68 Micros'! This could mean great things for the two publications,
as they consolidate and make 1 better magazine :-)
Email 'Dsrtfox' for more info, if he hasn't already posted
details here.
Btw, all conferences for this month will be Open Topic, so don't
be afraid to stop by for some laid back conversation.
>Chris<
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90535 1-NOV 22:02 General Information
UpTime+268'm
From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
I am pleased to announce that all remaining UpTime subscriptions will be
filled by "the world of 68' micros". This will begin as soon as I get a complete
subscriber list from Jordan (UpTime). For every two issues subscribers were
to get of UpTime, they will receive one issue of 268'm. This is more than fair,
considering UpTime averaged 8 pages while 268'm averages 28. I made the offer
to fill UpTime subscriptions at my printing/shipping cost. In fact, I'll be
"losing" .10-.15 for every issue. But hopefully the reward will be in more
subscribers in the end. Those who already subscribe to "68'micros" will have
there subscriptions extended by the same number as stated above.
EFFECTIVE 01 JANUARY 94 the subscription rate for "68'micros" will go up to
$25 per year. This is in part to accomodate rising production and shipping
cost. This increase is totally unrelated to the UpTime merger. You will start
to find more CoCo Basic support in the future while I retain the amount of
OS-9/OSK support. I do expect to keep all issues in the future at 30 pages
or more. As long as subscriptions hold over 200, this will be no problem.
Right now, current subscriptions are around 225 with 40 now due. Reminder
cards have beesent. If subscriptions drop below 200, another price increase
of $3 per year will have to be levied. It costs me .25 each to send third
class, .75 first (3rd class requires over 200 pieces). The only thin I make
on each issue is the .50 saved in postage by sending 3rd class. I can't put
a publication out on a break-even basis! It takes 24 hours to put each issue
together. At 250 issues, that's only $5.20 per hour. And that doesn't include
ANY overhead costs (various necessary supplies, on-line time, research, etc.).
So it is really half of that amount ($2.60/hr). Anyone want to do 24 hours
hard work at that rate? In order to keep YOUR costs down, please subscribe
NOW!
Also, from now until the end of the year, I'll send a FREE sample issue to
all who request it and let me know there primary interests: OS-9, OS-9/68K,
or CoCo Basic. I'll send a back issue with the regular mailings (first of
December, mid-January). Send $1.00 (to cover postage) ir you prefer having
an issue sent first class immediately.
FARNA Systems
Box 321
Warner Robins, GA 31099
Phone 912-328-7859
Internet dsrtfox@delphi.com
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90536 1-NOV 23:38 General Information
RE: UpTime+268'm (Re: Msg 90535)
From: BOISY To: DSRTFOX
Just curious, is Jordan getting out of OS-9? I heard he sold his
MM/1.
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90540 2-NOV 21:23 General Information
RE: UpTime+268'm (Re: Msg 90536)
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
I'm not sure Boisy. He only mentioned that back issues of UpTime and NineTimes
would be available from him for a while. I would assume he at least has to have
his CoCo system to duplicate the OS-9 disks.
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90537 2-NOV 20:07 General Information
tidbits
From: EDELMAR To: ALL
Some interesting tidbits of information.
Our own Tim Kientzle has written an article for Dr. Dobbs Journal explain-
ing the protocol he developed which automatically determines which XModem
or YModem dialect is being used. This is the protocol he incorporated in
the recent 'xy' and 'xyz' programs he uploaded and a few are beta testing.
Excellent article, Tim. For those who want to read it, it is in the
December, 1994 issue. Look forward to getting Tim's book. It's due out
early next year. My order is in.
Microware has a new publication 'SIGNALS'. Don't know if this supplements
or replaces 'PIPELINES'.
Some info from SIGNALS -
> MW has announced that more than 15 manufacturers have started
> building DAVID-based set-top boxes.
Won't be too long before almost every household in the US will be running
OS-9. This will make OS-9 the most widely used OS in the world. Imagine
what the third party market will be for hardware and software!!
> OS-9 for PowerPC is available for the entire line of PowerPC offerings,
> including the 601, 603 and 604. Also, for Motorola's MPC 505 and
> IBM's Power PC Embedded Controller 403GA.
Comment - MW isn't quite ready to deliver OS-9 for the PowerPC to the world
but it is in Beta test by several of MW's customers. Current hardware
supported is Motorola's VME boards. Support for other hardware will follow.
> OS-9 available for Motorola 68060.
> Third Edition of OS-9 Insights by Peter Dibble available. Price is
> $75.00 + s/h. To upgrade from either the first or second edition,
> send in the title page from your book and receive the new edition for
> $45.00.
My order is in. Looking forward to it.
> Coming soon - the OS-9 Primer by Mark A. Heilpern
Mark has been a trainer at MW for the past two years. Should be a great book.
MW is looking for a bevy of software engineers and managers. Positions are
available for entry level to senior level personnel. For those who want to
work in the leading edge of software, contact MW. If I were a few years
younger, I think I would apply. Iowa can't be too bad a place to live <g>.
And to think it all started with a 6809.
Ed
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90538 2-NOV 20:10 Programmers Den
Piped input in Basic09
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
Does anyone have any advice on having my Basic programming
determine when the input it needs comes from a piped statement? I'm a
little confused on how to set this up.
The program in question is my Protector utility which I have
brought up in here many times before(this is my learning program :-)
). I have to option parameters set up called option1 and option2. Here
is how the command line is set up...
'Prot -(f),(s),or(?), and/or (v) (filename)'
On the above, option one is the '-' with either 'f' or 's' or '?'
following it, plus the verify option 'v' is optional and can be
appended to that. All that makes up option1. If you pick 'prot -f'
with the 'f' meaning that input will come from a text file, it then
goes on to read option2, which will be the filename of the file with
the input. The 's' option btw is so that you can read the the
filenames necessary from keyboard instead of the (f)ile.
With that explained, here are the possible command lines, to
clarify.
'Prot -sv' will get the filenames for prot from the keyboard and
will verify by asking you 'Are you sure?' before deleting any file.
'Prot -s' same as above except, it will not verify and will
delete automatically.
'Prot -f Filname' Will delete all filenames in current directory,
except for those listed in the input file as option2(filename).
'Prot -fv filename' same as above except it will verify each file
before deleting for the added safety.
Now I would like to make it possible to allow the program to read
a list of filenames to protect from a piped command such as:
'ls!Prot'
Does anyone have any advise on how to set the parameter options
up in order to read piped input? This is my first time doing it.
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90542 2-NOV 22:24 Programmers Den
RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90538)
From: CHYDE To: THETAURUS (NR)
Information coming from a pipe is the same as coming from stdin. So from
your description you should be able to pipe commands using the following form
ls ! Prot -s
Needless to say your program should be looking for EOF to signal the
end of the stream. I would suspect that this is how you end your
keyboard entered list now (at least that's the standard way of doing things
<g>).
Chris
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90543 2-NOV 22:26 Programmers Den
RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90538)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: THETAURUS (NR)
Chris. This is, of course, OS-9, and so there is (again, of course) sixteen
billion ways to do something. But, in keeping with your lessons, may I
point you to page 6-4 of the tech manual. Specificly the PD.DTP byte. This
tells you what class (type) of device is associated with the path; SCF, RBF,
PIPE, or SBF (terminal/console, disk file, piped input, tape). You would
use the SS.OPT Getstat call on stdin and check this byte to see what you
have.
PD.DTP = 0 means "Prot"
PD.DTP = 1 means "Prot < <filename>"
PD.DTP = 2 means "Ls | Prot"
PD.DTP = 3 means you'll get millions of emails asking where you got
the rumored but elusive 6809 SBF module. :>
Randy
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90541 2-NOV 22:24 Applications (6809)
Porting NOS from ibm to the
From: KB8SFC To: ALL
There is a ham radio Packet radio program for the IBM called NOS.
IT's source code is in C. Would it be possible for a os9(6809) port?
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90544 2-NOV 22:32 Applications (6809)
RE: Porting NOS from ibm to the (Re: Msg 90541)
From: CHYDE To: KB8SFC (NR)
It would depend on how much MS-DOG specific code is in there. While the
C should be mostly standard the C's for MS-DOG have many 'extensions'
that programmers (who give no thught to portability) love to use <g>.
This is also assuming it's not a window's program, in which case you can
probably forget it.
If I remember right there are several packet radio programs for the
CoCo. Have you looked in the data bases here or in the CoCo sig?
Chris
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90545 3-NOV 00:47 General Information
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 90520)
From: NIMITZ To: GREGL (NR)
But of course! I thought you would however, appreciate a better last resort
than doing it all by hand. Have a nice day!,
BTW - How'ed you like a nice MM/1??? ;)
a
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90547 3-NOV 13:54 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90534)
From: LARRYOLSON To: HAWKSOFT
Chris,
Good news, you were right about scsi_mm1d. I had used the version on
the current MM1 update disk (edition #25). When I was gathering all
the new modules together I forgot that there was a scsi_mm1d on the
disk for VCDP.
Well, making a new boot with your scsi_mm1d (edition #27), fixed
the problem of reading the cd's. The program will display track info
and the timer is working, but (yes, the dreaded but), I don't get any
sound output.
With vcdp still running, I went to another window and fired up
Waves, and it works great, plenty of sound.
So now I'm wondering if I'm using the correct snddrv. What is the
ident on the one you are using ?
Mentioning Waves, I really like the changes you made, it is alot
easier to use.
Larry
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90561 3-NOV 23:36 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90546)
From: WDTV5 To: LARRYOLSON
OhOh! Yes, thats a known bad chip in the amiga world. Its very prone to
buss lockups of the sort that require a reboot to get out of. That family
of chips has many variations. The most recent version of it is the WD33c93A-08.
This chip is avail from many of the advertizers in Amiga World furinstance.
Do NOT attempt to use a "B" or later version as they are interim SCSI-2
implementaions that are not software (driver) compatible with the "A" family.
Some of those "PL" versions were also marked -proto. Get the -08 and that
should fix it if the driver is ok.
Cheers, Larry, Gene
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90573 4-NOV 20:28 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90546)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LARRYOLSON
> I checked the chip I have and it is a WD33c93A-PL. Is this a good one ?
Yes, that incarnation of the chip is suppose to work, according to
what Karl Kreider told me.
> I'm still unable to get vcdp too work. I spent the last few days going
You do have the new scsi_mm1d (edition #27) in there, right? The only
other thing I can think of is the termination. The info I have says
that terminators should be active at the beginning and end of a SCSI
chain. The SCSI buss on the I/O board is terminated so the last device
attached to your cable should be also.
> Please let me know if you get any more information on a fix.
Sure will. So far your ahead of me though. I cant even boot with the
scsi_mm1d (edition #27) in my boot file. Transfer to my HD fails.
You might leave Karl Kreider email. He doesnt visit the forum here
(that I know of) but he does answer mail.
Good luck!
Bests
---TedJaeger
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90574 4-NOV 21:25 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90547)
From: HAWKSOFT To: LARRYOLSON
Hi Larry!!
> Good news, you were right about scsi_mm1d. I had used the version on
> the current MM1 update disk (edition #25). When I was gathering all
> the new modules together I forgot that there was a scsi_mm1d on the
> disk for VCDP.
> Well, making a new boot with your scsi_mm1d (edition #27), fixed
> the problem of reading the cd's. The program will display track info
> and the timer is working, but (yes, the dreaded but), I don't get any
> sound output.
The sound output from the CD reader is not sent to the computer. It comes
out of the headphone jack loacted on the front of the the CD reader. There
is also a connection on the back of the internal CD readers for sound out.
You need to connect your speakers (or headphones) to the jack on the front,
as this is the only sound output the NEC CDR-25 has. Sorry I didn't think to
mention it before. If you want to connect both the CD reader and MM/1 sound
to the same pair of speakers you need to put 150 ohm resistors in series with
the CD readers output. This is because the CD reader shorts it's output to
ground when not playing. (Let me know if you need more info.)
> Mentioning Waves, I really like the changes you made, it is alot
> easier to use.
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris
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90576 5-NOV 02:13 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90573)
From: LARRYOLSON To: TEDJAEGER
Ted,
Yes, I think I have it working now, and your guess was right about
scsi_mm1d, I was using #25 instead of #27.
You mention that you are having boot up problems with scsi_mm1d #27,
but I wonder if you could be being hit by what bit me when I was trying
to make up a new boot.
I grabbed the mm1.d0 & mm1.d2 descripters off the mm1 update disk
but I didn't notice that those descriptors have the sectors/track set
too 37, where my old d0 & d2 descriptors had the sector/tracks set at
32. After making up a new boot with those new descriptors shutting down
the computer and then trying to boot back up with the new boot, the
computer refused to boot, it would bang away on the floppy, till I shut
it down. After about a dozen different tries at making a new boot, I
finally started putting modules back in from my old boot list, and as
soon as I put my old d0 & d2 descriptors back in everything was fine.,
Larry
----- Larry Olson -----
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90580 5-NOV 08:01 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90576)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LARRYOLSON (NR)
Thanks for that info, Larry. I will check that but I am 99.99% sure my
problem is that western digital scsi chip. (Although now that I think
about it, it looks like I should be able to boot). Anyway, I did
build a floppy boot not including scsi_mm1d, started my system, and
then loaded scsi_mm1d along with the driver and descriptor for the CD
and even then could not acess the HD, much less get VCDP going. If I
did the identical except loaded scsi_mm1d (ed 25) acess to HD was
normal. So load scsi_mm1d (ed 27) and nothing on the scsi bus works
for me; load scsi_mm1d (ed 25) and everything works except VCDP (including
reading CD files and copying to my HD). Im pretty sure I need a chip
transplant but at this point am unwilling to risk my system working
except for VCDP for a future state which _might_ get it all going.
--Ted
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90548 3-NOV 15:00 General Information
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 90545)
From: GREGL To: NIMITZ
I have to admit that using a smart decoder does make things much easier.
I've been using uu.com on the PC and it makes handling multiple-part files
a lot easier. I save each part as .001, .002, etc. then run uu -as file.*
(where -a is alphabetically, and -s sorts before processing).
-- Greg
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90552 3-NOV 19:53 General Information
RE: INTERNET (Re: Msg 90548)
From: NIMITZ To: GREGL
I use merge, sort , the uuc utility and pipes to do much the same thing.
It is very nice to have such options!
David
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90549 3-NOV 15:10 Applications (6809)
RE: Porting NOS from ibm to the (Re: Msg 90541)
From: GREGL To: KB8SFC
If you don't get an answer here, go to the CoCo news group and ask there.
I distinctly remember some members of bit.listserv.coco (also the CoCo
mailing list) using one of the NOS varients with OS-9, although probably
OS-9/68000. I suspect a full version of NOS is a bit large for OS-9/6809.
Executable for JNOS 1.10g on the 80386 (the version I run at home) is around
400k or so. NOS is extremely tight on a 16-bit system and MS-DOS' segmented
architecture makes it that much worse.
-- Greg
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90550 3-NOV 18:16 Applications (6809)
RE: Porting NOS from ibm to the (Re: Msg 90544)
From: KB8SFC To: CHYDE
well I haven'T looked into os9 packet stuff yet . I found one that will run
under RSDOS that a freind had and Ulitmaterm worked better. The program was
COCO pact. Or something like that.
NOt it is not a windows program.
The features I like on it is that is has a monitoring "window" and multiple
sessions.
Jason Reighard
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90565 4-NOV 04:30 Applications (6809)
RE: Porting NOS from ibm to the (Re: Msg 90541)
From: EDELMAR To: KB8SFC (NR)
> There is a ham radio Packet radio program for the IBM called NOS.
> IT's source code is in C. Would it be possible for a os9(6809) port?
There is a program in either the NEW database or one of the OSK databases
called KA9Q. As I understand it, it was originally written for MSDOS then
ported to UNIX and Bob Brose ported it to OSK. Source code is available
for it.
Compiled size under OSK is around 150K. But I suspect you can rework the
code and get it down in size to fit into the CoCo'a memory space. I remember
5 (or more) years ago when the conventional wisdom was that you couldn't
port UUCP to the CoCo - it would be too big. Fortunately, Mark Griffith
and Rick Adams didn't believe that (or maybe they didn't know any better)
and they both produced UUCP code to run on a CoCo. Maybe you can do the
same with KA9Q. I'm sure Bob Brose and the team that produced KA9Q would
help.
Ed
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90566 4-NOV 15:47 Applications (6809)
RE: Porting NOS from ibm to the (Re: Msg 90565)
From: GREGL To: EDELMAR
There is a lot of overhead in NOS to make up for what MS-DOS lacks. In other
words, it basically has a multitasking kernel at the core. I suspect some
enterprising individual could, in fact, make it work with OS-9/6809. The first
task I would do would be to strip all the port drivers from the code then to
create a dedicate driver for a KISS mode TNC to handle AX.25 frames. Once this
is done, the remainder of the clients and servers could be split into individual
executables.
I think the driver would be hardest part since the current C source would
have to be rewritten in assembly and the IP, UDP, NET/ROM and AX.25 support
code should probably be merged into a single driver. Overall, I don't think
the clients and servers are that large taken singly.
-- Greg
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90551 3-NOV 19:30 General Information
14400 baud
From: JOHNREED To: ALL
Hey gang - for the last couple days, my local Sprintnet node
has been answering at 14400. If we got that speed way up here
in Saginaw, everyone should have it soon.
John Wainwright
ps - InfoXpress handled it fine, but my Osterm autolog is choking
on it -- gotta fix that.
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90553 3-NOV 21:27 Games & Graphics
RE: Space Ace help (CD-I) (Re: Msg 90498)
From: MREGC To: MITHELEN
Paul,
> Heh... well... you can always go back and delete your spoiler message 8-)
> I've f9inally made it through that level, and the next one.... Boy, do I
> wish you could start off where you left off...
Well, I didn't delete the message, but I did just find something else
out that I won't make public. There is a cheat mode in Space Ace that you
can use to start at whatever level you want to. Personally, I agree with
the decision to make players restart the game each time, otherwise it would
be too easy to finish. People have said that the game is too hard, and I
admit that without the beep that the arcade version gave you when your move
was accepted, it is quite a bit harder, but I still finished it in under 15
tries. Of course, I spent countless money on it back when it was in the
arcade, so that may have had something to do with it. :)
Anyway, if you (or anybody else) don't already know the way to get to the
cheat screen let me know and I'll email it to you.
..Eric...
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90554 3-NOV 22:33 OSK Applications
serial_ports
From: VAXELF To: ALL
Does nayone know the address of the /t3 & /t4 STATUS registers. Also
a list of what each bit is (CD,DTR & ect). Also which ones can be toggled
on/off (DTR ?).
John D.
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90555 3-NOV 22:37 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90493)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: KSCALES
I have no problem running rammer with 2 megs, the crash occurs when I
try to run B&B's Powerboost Nnative mode. I found that I cannot format
floppies under native mode either. I may HAVE to switch to Nitros9.
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90556 3-NOV 22:40 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90511)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: WDTV5
I will give it a try, although I like having rammer around because I
have it patched to the same size as a 35 track SS floppy, which makes
backup work. I know I have a fast backup utility some where, but then
I'd have to learn how to use it. <grin>
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90557 3-NOV 22:43 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90525)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: WDTV5
I wouldn't be running powerboost/native mode if I didn't have one, Gene.
Ah, but it is Halloween. My problem appears to be with Powerboosts
Native mode. I guess it's another check in the mail for Nitros9. Seems
more reliable from what is being said, maybe more compatible and
definitely better supported...
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90559 3-NOV 23:01 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90557)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD
A big Ahmen on the better supported. I'm supposed to be beta testing some
of it right now, but at the instant, I'm on the Amiga. So far, of the
stuffs sent for the upgrade, I have os9p1 and os9p2 in. Things are slightly
different, but it appears to work also. One thing I've had come and go at
times is when it is freshly booted, the curser is at the upper left corner
of the screen, which is normal but it appears that the location used for the
button down tally isn't pre-cleared. The net result is that it asks me if I
really want to quit multiview the instant I move the mouse. Thats not a new
problem tho, its been around off and on since I first ran multiview years
ago even with the original analog mouse!
Anyway, the support is there. I wrote some tools to help me install the
kernal portion which are in the database here just in case the regular
install isn't compatible with your setup. I probably have one of the more
expanded coco3's here on delphi, 2 megs, SCII with a 4n1, mpi, 130 meg
drive, 3 floppies, a WP-RS and amber screen monitor that sets right beside
the regular 8515 Maggie, with the rest fo the mpi being full of 232 packs.
One has a 3 megahertz crystal which I use for midi output, the other pack
is double chipped, runs the mouse and the 14,4 modem.
I'm thinking about redoing that ram.dr to make it work on a 6809, went
thru the listing last nite with a hilighter, checking off stuffs I'd have
to fix to make it 6809 compatible. Not impossible, just time consuming and
will probably result in a driver thats $20 bytes longer overall.
Cheers, Neal, Gene
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90577 5-NOV 02:47 System Modules (6809)
RE: Powerboost v.2.0 (Re: Msg 90559)
From: REVWCP To: WDTV5 (NR)
Hello Gene:
I am interested in the Midi Modifications to the RS-232 pack.
Could you share them with us?:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::::
: With all best wishes, : 2 Kings 2:23-24 :
: Brother Jeremy, CSJW : :
: OS9 Users Group Treasurer : :
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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90558 3-NOV 22:52 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90512)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: WDTV5
The BBS is different from my system in that it uses a Y-Cable (No MPI)
with Ken-Ton Paks in an IBM style case (plenty o' power) and the clock
modules (yes plural) are custom jobs by Roger Krupski that reads the
RTC (tandy smartwatch) every minute and resets the system time to correct
for errors. I use the same modules on my system with no problem.
Thinking outloud... I don't remember the problem occurru
occuring when I type at the console, only on-line through the RS232
pak. It is worse now that we shut down our second line and are running
only a single line BBS too. If you have any more suggestions, I am
willing to experiment, but since it is a working bbs, I can't take it
off-line to try too many new boots.
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90560 3-NOV 23:30 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90558)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Sorry, I don't have too many other ideas, that was my "best shot". That
Y cable bother me tho, mostly because it really does need a big, wide hunk
of ground braid hooked directly between the ground planes of the various
boards to make it as reliable as the ground clipped ears sticking out on
both sides of the tongue of an mpi. Maybe the irq from that one pack isn't
getting thru, alltho with nothiing but the y cable, it oughta be a pretty
straight shot from the pack to the coco. If there are any diode hacks in
there, and they ARE required, then maybe the clock is to blame. Since
the clocks are software but with the F$Setime call from the smartwatch
once a minute, they are running more or less exactly as the second Rainbow,
or the edition 9 versions should be running. If ya need the diode hack, then
the clock needs looked at. Thats my last, best shot.
Cheers, Neal, Gene
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90562 4-NOV 00:05 General Information
RE: tidbits (Re: Msg 90537)
From: JEJONES To: EDELMAR
> For those who
> want to work in the leading edge of software, contact MW. If I were a few
> years younger, I think I would apply. Iowa can't be too bad a place to
> live <g>.
Well...I moved up from Oklahoma (though many would consider that a straight
line), and I'd say Iowa is like Oklahoma but colder and with a different ethnic
distribution. I do know most of the Weather Beacon colors, but I don't consider
myself a real Iowan yet because I haven't got the names of the herbicides all
down, and I don't get riled about five-person versus six-person girls'
basketball. :-)
Des Moines *does* have one of the very few Evans and Sutherland Digistar systems
on earth (inaugurated by William Shatner himself); E&S pushed monochrome vector
graphics just about as far as they'll go on that computer-driven planetarium
system--so if you ever get a chance to see one, *DON'T* miss it. For people
with offspring or considering them, Iowa schools are pretty well known as
respectable among US schools (to the extent that that says anything, but
that's another discussion). It's no Chicago or New York, or even Minneapolis,
but IMHO that's not all bad, and I for one get enough culture for my tastes.
Iowa is as humble as Minnesota used to be before Garrison Keillor made Minnesota
humility ostentatious. Or, as local humorist Dan Hunter put it in a book title,
"Let's Keep Des Moines a Private Joke."
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90564 4-NOV 03:44 General Information
RE: tidbits (Re: Msg 90537)
From: DIGIGRADE To: EDELMAR
> Some interesting tidbits of information.
> Our own Tim Kientzle has written an article for Dr. Dobbs Journal
> > MW has announced that more than 15 manufacturers have started
> > building DAVID-based set-top boxes.
>
> Won't be too long before almost every household in the US will be
> running OS-9. This will make OS-9 the most widely used OS in the world.
> Imagine what the third party market will be for hardware and software!!
> Comment - MW isn't quite ready to deliver OS-9 for the PowerPC to the
> world but it is in Beta test by several of MW's customers. Current
> hardware supported is Motorola's VME boards. Support for other hardware
> will follow.
> > Coming soon - the OS-9 Primer by Mark A. Heilpern
>
> Mark has been a trainer at MW for the past two years. Should be a great
> book.
> And to think it all started with a 6809.
^ Your'e soooo right. ^ :)
Great info Ed!
Dave
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90567 4-NOV 17:37 General Information
RE: tidbits (Re: Msg 90562)
From: MITHELEN To: JEJONES
You are most definately right about that Digistar system! I got to see one in
action at the University of North DaKota/Fargo (I think that was the place)
when I was going to Bemidji State/MN. One of the graduates from Bemidji, that
was a founder of the computer club/acm chapter at Bemidji,was doing his grad
studies at UND, and gave us a excellent guided tour/show/behind the scenes
look... Best feild trip I ever took... (I missed the one to the nuclear
reacter in St Cloud, MN)
--
Paul
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90563 4-NOV 01:27 General Information
VGA
From: LARRYOLSON To: HAWKSOFT
Chris,
I'm wondering if I have the wrong impression on what the CDplayer
program does. Is it used to just control the playing of the different
tracks, and I need to take the audio from the phone jack or does it
pull the audio into the MM1.
Why I'm asking, is that the program seems to be working ok, when
I plug the headphones in the CD is working, the vcdp program will step
through the different tracks. I even tried the CDIDIR utility and got
a directory off a cdi disk. So it looks like its all working, I guess
I just assumed that the audio would be being sent down the scsi buss
too the MM1 also.
Larry
----- Larry Olson -----
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90568 4-NOV 17:43 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90563)
From: MITHELEN To: LARRYOLSON
The CDplayer software simply controls the CD player... There is no way
for the data being played to be read off the SCSI buss... The software
simply sends the proper commands to put the driver in the right mode for
playing digital audio CD... In theory, the line out of the CDrom drive could be
attached to the line in on the MM/1, and then get pumped back out
the line out on the MM/1 to your amplifier. But nothing like that has been
done, and I'm not too sure on the feasibility of it.
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90569 4-NOV 18:43 General Information
RE: ZModem weirdness (Re: Msg 90392)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: COCOKIWI
>> YOU also get weirdness when one DOWNLOADS a TEXT file also!
>> "SLOW" like 300 bps or less
I've not seen this effect at all. Downloads are consistently
around 7000-8000bps dialed into a 9600 baud connection for me.
That's for long files, of course. Short files are affected more
by the start-up and shut-down overhead, so throughput there
is correspondingly less.
- Tim
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90570 4-NOV 18:58 General Information
RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 90474)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: DPHILIPSEN (NR)
The Microware-suplied Kermit is about 10 years old!!
Check on kermit.columbia.edu for the latest and greatest C-Kermit 5A(190).
It's been compiled for OS9, and should compile pretty painlessly on
OS9000. Properly configured, it's comparable in speed to ZModem.
If you're willing to wait, I'll probably be releasing source
for `XY' and `Z' sometime next year.
- Tim Kientzle
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90571 4-NOV 19:09 Programmers Den
RE: Dithering (Re: Msg 90510)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)
December, 1994 issue of Dr. Dobb's discusses dithering. It's an
algorithm that requires a lot of memory, unfortunately.
I can also recommend Ulichney's book ``Digital Halftoning,'' which
is an entire book just on the subject of dithering. Highly
technical (2-d fourier transforms mean anything to you?), but
very informative.
I've been impressed with Academic Press' ``Graphics Gems'' books.
There's several articles on dithering in those. Much more practical
than Ulichney's book.
The big question, of course, is: monochrome or color? How are you
generating the palette?
Generally, color dithering consists of two very important steps:
first, choosing the palette to dither to, second, doing the
actul dithering.
There are numerous competing algorithms for each one. If I
knew more about the specific target, I might be able to recommend
which algorithms you should look at.
- Tim Kientzle
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90572 4-NOV 19:10 Telecom (6809)
Level II BBS
From: RICKULAND To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Neal,
Gene makes a good point- the smartwatch drivers are not a
clock themselves, but an auto reset utility for good old
clock_60hz. Install the ed 9 softclock just in case is a good
thought.
One problem I've had with ycables/strapped mpi and serial
ports is CART is not a tristated signal- there are an astounding
number of pullups on the irq line- 3 or 4 on the motherboard,
plus one per pak. Add some capacitance (coco does, to stop
'ringing') and a 6551 can have trouble asserting over all those
pullups in a timely fashion.
According to Tandy's design, there would be only one pak on
cart at a time- we've neatly bypassed this with the cart strap.
The 6551a usually doesn't have trouble with that, but when CoNect
changed over to the 65c51, mutliport systems stopped working...If
physically removing another port helps this one, might consider
removing a pullup or two!
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90575 4-NOV 22:46 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90572)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Thanks, Rick, I'd forgotten about that but now that you mentioned it,
I have pulled at least one of those pullups loose on one end, else I'd
have 5 just in the flippin packs! I think I'm down to 3 working, one
on the motherboard, and 1 in the compack, and one in the SCII.
About the 65c51, its a cmos device, and is NOT able to "wired OR" with
other like the nmos junk can. The conversion would be to add a diode
in series with that pin of any and all the chips, one per chip, and have
the pullup exerted only on the common line where all the diode anodes
come together. If the diode is a germainium type, there should still
be more than enough pulldown at the coco's irq line since the 'c51 can
pull the line to within 20 millivolts of ground if it only has to
fight one pullup. Nmos stuffs can't even entertain the thought of
going that low even without any pullups on the line!
BTW, the so-called 3in1 you were working on. I just bought a multiface
for my amiga that uses one of the motorola duart chips for the 2 seriels
it has. The par is a full bidirex 8 bitter and the whole thing would
fit nicely in a compack sized plugin. The duart is fifo buffered but
I don't know how deep. It has reduced my errors a bunch, not as dependable
as this well hacked coco3 is, butn getting close! Now if we just had a
decent zmodem library for the amiga, that reverse engineered version
is missing about half the full zmodem options. Won't even start an
upload to delphi!
Cheers all, Gene
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90578 5-NOV 03:35 General Information
Starting development for MM/1 FMV game!!
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
If you can (or know someone who can) digitize FMV from videotape
send mail to DIGIGRADE. For more information check out message #6543 in
the Graphics SIG. PLEASE VOTE on weather you would purchase a voyeur/
night trap type game for your MM/1. The game will use OS9 windows to it's
advantage.
Dave Pellerito - Digigrade Productions
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90579 5-NOV 05:01 General Information
OS9000
From: KSCALES To: DPHILIPSEN (NR)
Re: Tim Kientzle's suggestion:
> Check on kermit.columbia.edu for the latest and greatest C-Kermit
> 5A(190). It's been compiled for OS9, and should compile pretty painlessly
> on OS9000. Properly configured, it's comparable in speed to ZModem.
Dave, C-Kermit 5A has already been ported to OS-9000, as has STerm (which
of course has basic XModem). I have copies of both. They may be in the
database here.
As Tim mentioned, modern (C)Kermit provides good throughput.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales@delphi.com CIS:74646,2237
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90581 5-NOV 08:38 General Information
RE: internet (Re: Msg 90526)
From: DONALDS To: CHYDE (NR)
Well, I just got back from Avery Elk hunting saw about 50 head of animals.
al wett. got to spend 5 hours driving home in a real nasty snow storm, but, it
is real good hear
I am trying to get my system upgraded to handle closer to 9600 baud telcoms
and just getting all the patches to gether.
Don
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90582 5-NOV 08:52 System Modules (6809)
RE: ram alloc? (Re: Msg 90484)
From: BILLDICKHAUS To: RICKULAND (NR)
Rick,
InfoXpress pushes the limits on a CoCo, especially with ram. My CoCo HD
is dead right now, or I'd try this myself. To be honest, I don't think
I've tested the most recent versions on the CoCo with script files. I
used to run ix from cron using script files, on the CoCo but now I do it
all on my MM/1. I also generally test using the upgrade shell (which is
essentially shell+ 3.0) and it doesn't have the memory allocation
problem. Did you patch ix, or shell+ to fix the problem? I wonder what
shell+ actually does with a #1 in this case.
-Bill-
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90583 5-NOV 10:02 Programmers Den
RE: Help! Elusive bug! Arrrgh! (Re: Msg 89820)
From: JHICKLE To: DIGIGRADE (NR)
Not sure about your compiler, but on the coco you don't need a newline
in a system () call.
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90584 5-NOV 10:18 General Information
File Transfer Speed
From: JHICKLE To: ALL
I just downloaded a text file and my terminal program reported that the
transfer averaged over 1,000,000 characters/second ! (LiveWire running
under os/2 (ack!) )
Next, i'll plug the modem into the 220 volt line and see if it'll do
2 million.
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90587 5-NOV 13:56 General Information
RE: File Transfer Speed (Re: Msg 90584)
From: JOHNREED To: JHICKLE (NR)
> I just downloaded a text file and my terminal program reported that the
> transfer averaged over 1,000,000 characters/second ! (LiveWire running
> under os/2 (ack!) )
>
> Next, i'll plug the modem into the 220 volt line and see if it'll do
> 2 million.
>
At that point, you will be more concerned with BTU's than BAUD.
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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90585 5-NOV 11:26 OSK Applications
RE: UUDECODE (Re: Msg 90519)
From: PHXKEN To: TELENUT (NR)
I'm looking at my file list at Chestnut.cs.wisc.edu
cd pub\OSK\CMDS
ftp uudecode.t.Z
If you also need tar and compress, there are version in the
same
directory. I usually have to use the compress from the TOPS
package, however.
$phxken@class68.com
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90586 5-NOV 12:23 General Information
Shanghai bug ??
From: MRUPGRADE To: ALL
There is a "BUG" in the play mode of Shanghai. It doesn't severly interfere
with the game play,, and is over looked by those who have seen it.
This doesn't include the rare unsolvable puzzle.
The first one with an answer,, will recieve a very nice prize,, yet to be
announced. (choice RS or OS)
Note: I've also posted this on th Rs or CoCo SIG. While they (RSDOS'ers)
are more likely to beat out <grin> an OS'er. I thought I'd give you
a shot at it.
Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor
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90639 12-NOV 21:07 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90624)
From: RICKULAND To: KSCALES
Bummer. Just as I was getting used to nicely convoluted shell
scripts, too. (You know, no matter how careful you are, ohell is
gonna end up running one.)
Besides, I let others use this machine, and some know
better. I'd hate to let the @ out of the bag least someone
reformat /h0 as an exercise. These computer nerds can be mean!
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90640 12-NOV 21:42 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90634)
From: VAXELF To: TIMKIENTZLE
Tim,
MM/1 070 3M memory, Kwindow #52. Terminal program Kterm V2.02 using
external zmodem SZ #24, RZ #24.
Kterm opens a overlay window, forks a shell running rz/sz. Kills process
and closes window when up/down loading is complete.
John D.
P.S. Do you happen to know the address of the status registers for /t3 &/t4?
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90646 13-NOV 10:35 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90640)
From: NIMITZ To: VAXELF
John, that chip is at $0e00280.
bits 6 and 7 of the input port will always return 1. I have no more info
that that I can find at the moment, and this system is timing me out even when
I'm typing so I'll have to check offline...
David
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90647 13-NOV 12:04 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90646)
From: MITHELEN To: VAXELF
You could always ask Carl Kreider... I believe he still frequents CIS, and that
his address should be listed in the "ar" archive, or with his CLib archive.
--
Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: OS-9 Support
UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen ...or... mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us
Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com
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90651 13-NOV 21:04 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90647)
From: VAXELF To: MITHELEN
I gave up my CIS account a very long time ago. TOOOO expensive for me.
John D.
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90652 13-NOV 21:29 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90651)
From: MITHELEN To: VAXELF
You can send mail to CIS users from delphi by sending through the internet.
Address the message to: IN%"########.#####@compuserve.com"
Substitute the users CIS usernumber for the #'s, using a "." in place of
the "," inthe usernumber.
--
Paul
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90659 14-NOV 19:59 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90652)
From: VAXELF To: MITHELEN
Do you know his compuserver number?
John D.
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90661 14-NOV 21:31 OSK Applications
RE: Problems with XY/Z (Re: Msg 90659)
From: RANDYKWILSON To: VAXELF (NR)
Carl Kreider 71076,76
Randy
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90641 12-NOV 22:12 General Information
DISTO Sale!!
From: DISTO To: ALL
Starting Dec 1 '94 to the end of the year, all remaining DISTO products will
be sold at a 15% discount. Leave email for availability. -Tony.
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90642 13-NOV 00:24 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90629)
From: TEDJAEGER To: LARRYOLSON
> Waves is Chris Hawk's sound recording program for the MM/1, formerly
> called Sound.
> No MM/1 should be without it.
Larry, I assume from the name change that the program now plays
WAV files, no?
Bests
---TedJaeger
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90643 13-NOV 04:32 General Information
RE: UpTime+268'm (Re: Msg 90535)
From: DION To: DSRTFOX
ex
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90644 13-NOV 05:35 Programmers Den
RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90635)
From: BILLDICKHAUS To: THETAURUS
Chris,
A lot of utilties use an option (typically -z) to specify to get input from
stdin, assuming either a pipe, or a redirection from another source.
For example:
ls | prot -z
prot -z <filename
-Bill-
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90649 13-NOV 15:28 Programmers Den
RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90635)
From: DBREEDING To: THETAURUS
> Hi Chris...I thought the same thing and tried it that way but the
> thing is, I have a prompt for Keyboard input that is "Filename>". So,
> when I give it the piped input, for each file sent, I keep getting the
> "Filename>" prompt, since the program doesn't realize this is a
> different device. It then errors out because it can't detect the EOF
> signal correctly. I noticed depending on the device, you do have to
> set up different methods of detecting EOF.
One suggestion.. How about a blank line to be a sign to end? Of course
this wouldn't work for the case you are doing a direct directory reading..
Shouldn't trying to read past EOF generate an error? Do you have ON ERROR
GOTO in your program? You might put in an ON ERROR, then let it check
for errno, and let EOF be end of read..
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90668 14-NOV 22:07 Programmers Den
RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90635)
From: CHYDE To: THETAURUS
Chris,
wasn't aware that you had a prompt
set up. That does change things a little <g>. Sorry to hear that you got a
bug, Hope you feel better some.
Chris
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End of Thread.
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90645 13-NOV 08:41 Telecom (6809)
RiBBS
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: ALL
Does anyone know if the TodayOs9 and Ribbstoday commands, the ribbstoday one in
particular, in the telecom database works with R
RiBBS v2.10? A friend has it and he said when he runs the ribbstoday from the
menu it crashes the bbs. He followed the docs which simply say to put the data
in a TODAY directory on his /dd and the command module in his exec dir. The
attr's have been set (
e pe). If this is for RiBBS 2.0 is there a newer version or a patch?
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90648 13-NOV 14:25 General Information
My cursor!? Those darned dots!
From: 01GEN40 To: ALL
Hello everyone,
I have been experiencing these little anomolies that drive me batty.
First of all, does anyone know why I am losing my cursor every time I
leave MAIL? Working without a cursor is like driving a car at night
with the lights out. Another thing are these random characters I
get when I sit idle as in reading a message here. My cusror
moves of its own accordd and leaves random characters behind. In pairs.
Most of the time I get ".." but other times I get characters That I do
not think the CoCo is capable of generating.
I read in a message that someone has a 63c09 processor in thier CoCo.
I have a HD63B09EP. What, if any, is the difference between the "b"
and the "c". These random characters are driving me crazy! I
have a hard time determining where I am in this text. If I have to back-
space, I have to take into account that I have X number of characters I
did not type. If I backspace I need to backspace -X number of random
characters. Anyway, back to the processor. I would like to find
out anything about the difference, please. Thanks for any input, in
advance. See ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90650 13-NOV 19:18 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90648)
From: TIMKIENTZLE To: 01GEN40 (NR)
Re: 63c09.
You probably have a 68B09 in your CoCoo, note `eight', not `three.'
The Hitachi 63C09 is a CMOS replacement for the Motorola 6809.
It's a bit faster and has some `interesting' new instructions
in it that a few people have managed to exploit. (Reminds me
of the difference between the 8080 and Z-80 in some regards.)
Re: garbage characters
Probably modem noise. If you don't have an error-correcting
modem, then telephone noise will often show up as garbage characters.
Sometimes, hanging up and re-dialing will clear up some or all of the
noise, sometimes not.
- Tim Kientzle
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90654 13-NOV 23:08 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90648)
From: REVKAK To: 01GEN40 (NR)
The 63B09 is rated at 2Mhz while the 63C09 is rated at 3Mhz.
Either one will work in a CoCo3 - native or regular emulation.
Keith
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90666 14-NOV 21:52 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90648)
From: RICKULAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
63b09 is 2Mhz, 63c09 is 3Mhz, a little overkill on CoCo.
The random characters could be line noise, or you could have
changed the terminal emulation somehow? Which will generate
junk control chars to OS9. Besides . (dot- unprintable flag)
you can get display codes! From another window, bang
display 05 21 >/w# (# is comm window) and see if the cursor
comes back.
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90653 13-NOV 22:27 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90630)
From: HAWKSOFT To: LARRYOLSON
Larry and Dave P. and anyone else!
> > Is there a util to copy CDI files to your HD? I really am tempted
> to > cheat at Lazer Lords. :)
> > Dave
>
> Yes, Chris has got a couple of utilities that he puts in as a bonus
> when you buy his CDplayer program, VCDP.
> CDIDIR will do a directory of a CD-I disk and CDICP will copy files
> from the CD-I disk to the computer.
>
> Larry
I'm putting the final <?> touches on a single program that steps you thru
the directories and copys files from BOTH CD-i and CDRom (MS-DOG type) discs.
Also have a working version (some-what) of a file manager for CDRom disks.
Reads CD directories with the STOCK DIR command! Attr works too!!
Some programs can load files DIRECTLY from CD.
Chris
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris "HAWKSoft" <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
Delphi: HAWKSOFT Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM
******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************
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90657 14-NOV 01:08 General Information
RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90653)
From: WA2EGP To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
Let us know when it is ready (and I'm sitting here, typing and drooling).
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90655 14-NOV 00:14 General Information
RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 90607)
From: DPHILIPSEN To: KSCALES
I'd love to see the latest version of Kermit uploaded here. If it's got
the capability of doing sliding windows then I'm in business. The MW supplied
kermit seems to send blocks no larger than about 70 bytes. At 14.4 Kbps I get
about 200-300 characters per second...way too slow.
In fact, I'd be delighted to get it by E-Mail if you've got it and don't
mind!
-Dave
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90656 14-NOV 00:51 System Modules (6809)
RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90632)
From: RICKULAND To: WDTV5
Gene,
Speaking of the vital smoke.... ouch.
Good luck on the starter bug- so many variables, like fuel.
Low octane no lead over stabilzed soap laden brew designed for
f.i. and cpu meets the controlled leak. Happy honing!
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90662 14-NOV 21:37 System Modules (6809)
RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90656)
From: WDTV5 To: RICKULAND
rofl! 22speak!
Cheers, Gene
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90665 14-NOV 21:51 System Modules (6809)
RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90632)
From: DSRTFOX To: WDTV5 (NR)
Gene, you should know to run a compression check or squirt a little oil in
the cylinders to check for weak rings/low compression! Can't be wall damage
if it cranks fine cold... I guess you could have taken just enough temper
out of the rings so that you lose compression just when hot, but I never
ran into anything like that. Try a different heat range plug.... maybe a
little cooler. Also try some Champion Copper Plus plugs. I HATE champions...
my old Rambler eats them up, so did my 2-stroke bikes. But those Copper Plus
plugs made a NOTICEABLE difference in the performance of the 2 strokes!!
They have the same spark but run at a cooler temp than normal plugs. They still
don't last as long as a set of Bosch or NGKs (run ACs or Autolites in the
Rambler!!), but the noticeable power difference was worth changing the plugs
more often.
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90658 14-NOV 01:40 General Information
MM1 for sale
From: JAYODER To: ALL
Hello all,
On behalf of my friend Jason, I've posted in the classifieds here
in the SIG, an AD describing his MM1 that he would like to sell.
The AD should be available in the next 24 hours. Thanks to all
that respond to the AD. All inquiries welcome!
Jeff Yoder, (JAYODER) N2ZDS
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90660 14-NOV 20:06 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90560)
From: NEALSTEWARD To: WDTV5
Since it occurs randomly, it will be difficult to find, however, I've
only encountered the problem when running BBS.post. I have never seen
it happen with any other module, even durring up/downloads. Could be
a bug in the module I suppose. If it were anything to do with the
clock, I don't see why it would be exactly 3 keystrokes when it happens.
Thanks for the input Gene, I keep hacking...
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90663 14-NOV 21:38 Telecom (6809)
RE: Level II BBS (Re: Msg 90660)
From: WDTV5 To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)
Well, it was a good excuse to use up some bandwidth here anyway. Food for
thought is the category.
Cheers, Gene
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90664 14-NOV 21:48 General Information
ppia.ar
From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
Mike,
I am in the process of building a parallel port as described in your
ppia.ar file and have run into a slight problem. The 74ls133 is not in
my ttl databook, (it says to look in the supplement, which I don't have)
and I need pin-outs. Could you send me the pin-outs? My other question
is regarding the db25 connector you talk about in the text file.
I have a pc clone type printer cable laying around and was wondering if
you knew the pin assignments of that particular cable? (It has a male
db25 connector at one end and a 36pin centronics at the other.)
Now for some opinions. :-) After reading your file (very good work, I must
say) I can see that with the correct driver, these 2 parallel ports can
be bi-directional, now I wonder what kind of performance is possible
in bi-derectional mode. ie. Is it fast enough to utilize some of the
pc compatible parallel port devices such as hard drives and tape backups?
Also, I have seen a few external modems that have a parallel port to
hook up to a pc parallel port for VERY high speed comunication. (28.8k and up)
I know that these types are extremely expensive at this time, but how
difficult would it be to utilize (ie. write the proper driver) one of
these modems with the Eliminator style parallel port?
Thanks,
Wayne
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90673 15-NOV 03:41 General Information
RE: ppia.ar (Re: Msg 90664)
From: COCOKIWI To: WAYNETHOMPSO (NR)
here is the 133 pin out.....
it is a 13 pin input NAND. gate
pin 1 A 16 vcc
pin 2 B 15 M
3 C 14 L
4 D 13 K
5 E 12 J
6 F 11 I
7 G 10 H
GND 8 9 >Y <OUTPUT>
mIGHT HELP!<grin>
Dennis
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90667 14-NOV 21:53 General Information
eprom
From: RICKULAND To: ALL
Eprommer update- Awhile back, Br.Jeremy posted a question about
an 'Aval PRW1000' programmer (no docs). The repost is needed
because I've figured it out (close, anyway) and this ain't yer
average programmer.
It's a very pricey looking (actually, looks like an Apple
][e with a calculator stuck on it) just add modules job, with one
included that covers 2716 to 27c256 (and the a's) (in intel,
fuji, and std). Using just the hexpad, you can read two decb
eproms (moving one up 8K), and rewrite the dual version- in about
3 minutes flat if you don't bend any pins. You can shrink big
endians and flip the bits _in_the_programmer_! But the crux of
the biscuit 'rip is it rts/cts 3 different formats right out the
serial port without a host program. (With OS9+DevPak to do the s
records...wow! they were right, it is a DevPak! Might have a
product here- OS9 burns, the ROM)
So now I'm _very_ eagerly looking for any more pieces, docs,
etc. PALS and so on ought to be in this boxes range- be thankful
if you'd take a second look at any beige hi-end programmer
modules you run across festing- there is a bounty;-)
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90671 15-NOV 00:34 General Information
Monitor blackouts
From: CHARLESAM To: REVKAK (NR)
Thanx Keith, reseating the CPU board did the trick. I'm back in business.
..Charlie...
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90672 15-NOV 02:23 Telecom (6809)
Delphi Connect Speed
From: JMICHELSON To: ALL
Anyone notice that you can log into Delphi (at least on Sprintnet) at 14.4k
baud recently? I normally call in on my Coco at 9600, but have the PC fired
up tonight and lo and behold...CONNECT 14400/MNP COMPRESSED. Maybe I missed
something somewhere, or maybe Sprintnet is finally starting to upgrade!
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90839 29-NOV 00:05 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90835)
From: WDTV5 To: DONALDS
Yup, thats the blob allright. Try the idea I just wrote up in your mailbox.
It assumes you have ezgen though. If not, then you'll have to dEd it using
the 'd'iddle function, and os9gen a new one that way. Slower, but it should
work. Just don't forget to 'v' after you 'd'iddle it one byte longer each
time. For that, I think I'd make 4 copies, each a byte longer and just edit
the os9gen file(source list).
Cheers, Gene
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90848 30-NOV 00:46 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90825)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WDTV5 (NR)
yes RBF 33 is working great. I had formatted the drives 8 sector clusters
prior to that and used edition 28 of RBF. for some reason with the older
RBF the second hard disk had a megaread of 28 seconds even though the
two hard disks are identical. with RBF 33 both are down to 18 seconds
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90850 30-NOV 00:47 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90836)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: DONALDS
yes the new RBF 33 is here in the new uploads area
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90854 30-NOV 08:55 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90850)
From: DONALDS To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
Thanks Mike;
I will Dl it this session.
Don
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90840 29-NOV 01:17 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90827)
From: NIMITZ To: EDELMAR
Good point re: MW support. Though pricing still makes that difficult for
low volume dealers. BTW - The GNU Lib 1.08 still seems to be substantially
more lenient than the earlier licenses. Granted, it was a quick reading,
but other options are of course, available.....
It might be that we need to discuss means of making MW products more
available to the smaller companies that have a hard time spending $50,000
to buy Ultra C.........
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90841 29-NOV 05:48 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90840)
From: EDELMAR To: NIMITZ
> BTW - The GNU Lib 1.08 still seems to be substantially more lenient than
> the earlier licenses.
My local attorney knows zilch about copyright law. But he uses a correspond-
ing attorney in Washington, D.C. who is supposed to be one of the leading
experts in the country re copyright law and how it applies to software.
He sends out updates to his clients periodically regarding matters which
may effect them. In his July letter, he had a short paragraph which covered
the GNU license. He reiterated his earlier advise against using GNU soft-
ware in any form for commercial software products unless a license was
obtained from them. To summarize his advice when we originally asked several
years ago, he said he would not want to defend anyone the GNU people brought
suit against for violating their terms. It would seem to me, that you would
need a letter from them specifically permitting you to use their software for
commercial purposes.
> It might be that we need to discuss means of making MW products more
> available to the smaller companies that have a hard time spending $50,000
> to buy Ultra C.........
$50,000 ????? Who gave you that figure? Even if you negotiated a new
OEM license with MW for OS-9 and added Ultra-C, I doubt the initial invest-
ment would exceed one tenth of that figure - and this would include a new
port-pack. I think you need to do some serious talking to your MW sales
rep.
MW does not have any 'official' distribution channels in the US other than
direct sales from them. (Not talking about OEMs.) However, they do offer
discounts to certain resellers (or distributors, dealers, etc. - whatever you
want to call them) for resale. I don't know how many there are but there
are several around the country. I'm one of them. You might want to
investigate that route.
Granted, many developers may complain about the $1295 retail price of
Ultra-C, but consider the pricing in the MSDOS market. While there are
compilers available for a few hundred dollars (Microsoft, Borland, etc.)
most serious developers use the Watcom or comparable compiler. This compiler
starts at over $1000 and the full blown package will run several thousand
dollars. (I know because I had to buy one for a project I'm working on for
a customer.) Decent compilers for Unix also run a thousand dollars or more.
So, MW's price isn't out of line. Indeed, I think it's pretty low. (Don't
tell MW I said that <g>.)
You may have one other option if you took over IMS' license. Renegotiate
with MW to add Ultra-C. Your costs should be substantially less than what
I have to pay as a re-seller. For example, I can offer Ultra-C to SYSTEM IV
and V customers for only $300.00. I don't get Ultra-C from MW for these
customers; rather, I get it from the OEM, Peripheral Technology. Other
customers have to pay the full price because I have to get Ultra-C directly
from MW.
Of course, whatever path you take, it's your decision (and risk).
Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO
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90842 29-NOV 15:10 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90841)
From: GREGL To: EDELMAR
> Granted, many developers may complain about the $1295 retail price of Ultra-C,
> but consider the pricing in the MSDOS market. While there are compilers
> available for a few hundred dollars (Microsoft, Borland, etc.) most serious
> developers use the Watcom or comparable compiler. This compiler starts at
> over $1000 and the full blown package will run several thousand dollars. (I
> know because I had to buy one for a project I'm working on for a customer.)
> Decent compilers for Unix also run a thousand dollars or more. So, MW's price
> isn't out of line. Indeed, I think it's pretty low. (Don't tell MW I said
> that <g>.)
I doubt the validity of this statement because the majority of the commercial
software I have seen has been compiled with either a Microsoft or Borland
compiler. Aldus Pagemaker and Collage Complete, for example, are compiled with
Microsoft C. Of course, a notable exception is that the Norton products (Norton
Commander, Norton Utilities, Norton Desktop, etc.) appear to be compiled with
the Symantec compiler. Determining which compiler is used is pretty trivial if
you peek at the executable. Borland compilers, for example, include a copyright
notice at the head of the libraries while Microsoft compilers typically have a
bunch of idiotic run-time error codes starting with the letter R (R6000 - stack
overflow, R6003 - integer divide by zero, etc.). The Watcom compiler appears to
be used mostly in proprietary embedded systems and, I believe, for writing
NetWare software. Still, I conclude that the vast majority of commercial
applications for MS-DOS and Windows are compiled with Borland or Microsoft
compilers.
-- Greg
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90853 30-NOV 04:57 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90842)
From: EDELMAR To: GREGL
> I doubt the validity of this statement because the majority of the
> commercial software I have seen has been compiled with either a Microsoft
> or Borland compiler. Aldus Pagemaker and Collage Complete, for example,
> are compiled with Microsoft C. ... The Watcom compiler appears to
> be used mostly in proprietary embedded systems and, I believe, for writing
> NetWare software. Still, I conclude that the vast majority of commercial
> applications for MS-DOS and Windows are compiled with Borland or Microsoft
> compilers.
You are probably right. You're far more knowledgeable in this area than me.
My info came from my client who does only proprietary, industrial stuff.
Since they're paying the bills and want only the Watcom Compiler used (they
swear by it), who am I to argue. BTW, my association with them started
while they were still providing solutions running OS-9 on VME boxes. About
3 or 4 years ago, competition forced them to look for other solutions. They
found it was more cost effective to use multiple 386/486 boards. (OS9000
hadn't been released yet.) Recently, I showed them OS9000. They liked it
and assigned one man to look into it. The project got shelved because of the
amount of software already out and the cost involved to convert. They stated
that if they ever got into a situation where the competition was breathing
down their necks again, they would seriously consider converting. They
said they would re-evaluate when PowerPC boxes become available since
they would probably have to rewrite much of their code anyway.
Ed
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90855 30-NOV 15:43 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90853)
From: GREGL To: EDELMAR (NR)
That makes sense to me, Ed. If I remember my history correctly, Watcom is one
of the few compilers available for embedded systems. I think it can also
general ROMable code -- either out of the box or with an option. I received
an evaluation copy of MetaWare High C/C++ that touted 32-bit compatibility,
embedded systems and such. Unfortunately this rather high-priced compiler
requires PharLap's 32-bit DOS extender to run (another $500 or so). If I
were involved with embedded systems, I think I'd go with the Watcom compiler
as well. For strict DOS and Windows applications, Borland C++ and Visual C++
are the compilers of choice. In my opinion, Borland has a much better
package -- Microsoft C through version 7.0 were the pits. Visual C++ isn't
necessarily so bad, but it isn't integrated nearly as well (Windows editor,
DOS-hosted compilers) and the current versions won't generate 16-bit Windows
code.
-- Greg
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End of Thread.
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90843 29-NOV 20:47 General Information
RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90807)
From: THESCHU To: DISTO
don't let the 2-meg go any where I placing my order now.
later
brian
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90858 30-NOV 20:10 General Information
RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90843)
From: DISTO To: THESCHU (NR)
OK, I'll keep one for you. -Tony.
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End of Thread.
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90844 29-NOV 22:43 General Information
HardDrive
From: REVWCP To: ALL
Dear Friends:
I am trying to help out a friend who needs to obtain
a 20-30 meg MFM 5-1/4" half-height hard drive. Something
like an St-225 or St-238 would be fine. Please let me
know price and shipping terms.
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:: With all best wishes, :::::: 2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::
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90859 30-NOV 21:02 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 90844)
From: MRGOOD To: REVWCP
I have an ST-225 installed in a full height case with power supply.
Does $45 sound reasonable? I'd like to get rid of it since I sold
the Coco a while ago.
Hugo
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End of Thread.
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90845 29-NOV 23:56 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90778)
From: AJMLFCO To: GLOCKR
I don't see much 6809 equipment other than the CoCo for
sale. Gespac may still sell a 6809 board or two. Another
industrial manufacturer is XYZ which, I believe , makes
STD-bus 6809 boards. Another lead might be as close as your
local electrical distributor. Honeywell still makes an sells
a 6809 computer with OS9 level one for controls. The 'MiniCop'
module has two or three serial ports and plugs into a programmable
logic controller chassis. You could probably buy a Kix\20 cheaper
than one of those. If you ask, though, some of the distributors
may still have one of the older, larger' "cop" computers left
around on the shelf that they may be glad to dispose of. These
also ran OS9 level one and had up to 8 serial ports (6850 ACIA).
We have programmed several of these systems for use in our plant.
It's pretty difficult to find any OS9 in industry anymore. Most
everything is done on the PC anymore, with it's nice graphical
interface (Windoz) using packages like "Wonderware", "Intellution",
"Genisis", etc.
Allen
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90846 30-NOV 00:05 General Information
RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90784)
From: AJMLFCO To: BOISY
I was in a small town shopping mall last weekend and I noticed
a Sears catalog order store. They had two CD-I machines set up
for demo purposes and I found out that Sears is selling CD-I
titles via mail order. The number is 1-800 317-4CDI (4234).
The salesman was quite enthusiastic and knowledgable! The CD-I
machines were the only consumer "game" machines in the store.
Allen
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90847 30-NOV 00:44 General Information
RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90812)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WAYNETHOMPSO (NR)
yes, after decoding the internal PIA's, the ghost areas will be free for
use by another PIA
Mike
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90849 30-NOV 00:47 General Information
RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90831)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: COCOKIWI (NR)
Yes from my experimation i found the CoCo3's internal PIA's are done
a bit better then the CoCo1 or 2. They only ghost 4 times verses 8.
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End of Thread.
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90851 30-NOV 00:48 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90817)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: 01GEN40 (NR)
I haven't done any clock crystal changes but i do know that it will effect
the video screen .
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90856 30-NOV 19:21 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90817)
From: RICKULAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
It's not that easy to speed up a CoCo. The GIME is the
first problem- it will crap out right around 2MHz. It's not even
ugly (some chips, you can strap on a heatsink and push).
But a simple design like CoCo has some other serious flaws.
One clock, buss at cpu speed, so the PIAs have to be changed,
some of the gates will be to slow, the traces are too long, and
the MultiPak may catch on fire (ducking). The video goes nuts, as
well.
With market and a new GIME, a sweet little hitchi (they sell
6821s in QFP 1/2 inch square) board could be made pretty cheap,
and running embedded OS9+Nitros9 would make a _very_ fancy
controller/profit_motive- kind of like plugging a Burke&Burke in
the wrong end of an MPI. Alas, we have neither.
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90857 30-NOV 19:22 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90815)
From: RICKULAND To: 01GEN40 (NR)
The display codes do exactly as you suspect- but the coco
color system has some weirdness. For example, reverse video
(at least here) moves back color to fore, and cursor to back,
then the cursor appears as back color. Except, the cursor doesn't
change color until the screen is cleared. Same when it's flipped
back to normal.
There are lots of permutations here- for example, if you
reverse, write some stuff, then swap back, the cursor is fine.
Add a cls during the reversed part, and the cursor disappears
later, when you unswap. (Until you cls the unswapped screen). If
you'd like to experiment, try display 1f 20 (reverse) and display
1f 21 (back to normal) along with display c (clear), using your
version of the color set....
PS- This is where any user can get some use out of
MultiVue. 'Control' is an excellent little utility, and ran on a
16 color screen not only displays all 16, but allows adjustment
by setting the red, green, and blue values- no weird color
numbers! 'control -e' in startup makes these changes (and
others, like keybd speed) systemwide, without running MultiVue.
Until I got a decent hard drive, this and save were the only
things I ever used from my $40 binder.
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90852 30-NOV 00:50 System Modules (6809)
RE: boots (Re: Msg 90822)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: RICKULAND
Did you remember to have GrfDrv in the CMDS dir of the boot disk?
that will cause a boot to fail. Since you mentioned a 1 meg upgrade
the modules will need to be fixed for 1 meg (grfdrv and os9p1 i think)
you might be using an older version
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90860 30-NOV 23:16 General Information
RE: HardDrive (Re: Msg 90859)
From: REVWCP To: MRGOOD
Dear Hugo:
> I have an ST-225 installed in a full height case with power supply.
> Does $45 sound reasonable? I'd like to get rid of it since I sold
> the Coco a while ago.
>
> Hugo
>
Thank you for your reply. The price is quite reasonable. At the
moment I don't need the case and I think that I have a lead on a
drive, but I won't know for certain until approx. 2 weeks, I will
let you know. Please don't feel obligated to hold it for me, if
another offer comes along first.
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:: With all best wishes, :::::: 2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
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90861 30-NOV 23:43 General Information
RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90846)
From: BOISY To: AJMLFCO
> I was in a small town shopping mall last weekend and I noticed
> a Sears catalog order store. They had two CD-I machines set up
> for demo purposes and I found out that Sears is selling CD-I
> titles via mail order. The number is 1-800 317-4CDI (4234).
> The salesman was quite enthusiastic and knowledgable! The CD-I
> machines were the only consumer "game" machines in the store.
Really? This is a switch for Sears. Honestly Allen, I've found
Sears to generally be lacking in CD-i knowledge and having a rather
poor, neglected display. It's certainly good to see a store that
is above that!
It seems that Philips is phasing out the 220 model CD-i players (the
console type) for a newer model. We'll have to wait and see.
So, did you get a CD-i player yet?
--
Boisy G. Pitre__ __ __ Delphi: BOISY
|_ _| \ \/ / CompuServe: 74464,3005
I use... _| |_ > < Internet: boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
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90863 1-DEC 05:53 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90855)
From: EDELMAR To: GREGL
Wasn't it Borland who added restrictions recently to distribution of code
using their libraries in an attempt to prevent Microsoft from using them?
What's the final outcome?
One of my biggest complaints about C is the lack of portability. I've
been working on code for OS-9, OS9000 and G-WINDOWS to extract scalable fonts.
The package is from one of the major font providers and includes source code.
It is loaded with 'ifdefs, etc.' to handle conditional compilation for
several versions of UNIX including the 2 SUN platforms, Apples' platforms
and about a half dozen compilers for MSDOS. I'll be adding another - Ultra C.
I think I may have saved time if they had provided pseudo code and not have
one package to handle all compilers. But, I guess it makes their maintenance
easier.
Have you tried OS9000? If you have or you get a copy, let me know. I'll send
you a demo version of G-WINDOWS. A review of the combination might make
an interesting departure from most of the articles you've been running.
Ed
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90864 1-DEC 19:37 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90863)
From: GREGL To: EDELMAR
Yes, it was Borland that placed restriction on the use of the library source
code. Apparently some company was marketing a library that used Borland's
source code as the base of its product. As I recall, the restriction was along
the lines of you couldn't use Borland's products to develop competing
products. Some of the trade press jumped the gun and accused Borland of
trying to squelch competition from its dBASE and Quattro applications where
that wasn't the case at all.
Unfortunately I don't have and can't afford to get OS9000, although I'd
like to have it. I do have a copy of Linux running on the small computer
though. I was somewhat surprised, but Linux is a rather nice package. I just
wish I could afford to throw more hardware at it and use it for a dedicate
Internet gateway machine -- for both personal use and as an amateur radio
packet gateway.
-- Greg
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90874 3-DEC 01:40 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90810)
From: DBREEDING To: PAGAN (NR)
> I'm not sure exactly what has to be zeroed in the scf path descriptor
> and waht makes no difference - I just set everything to zero. I'm open to
> being educated.
That would be the safest way.. Out of curiosity, I went in and did xmode
on t2. It has pause turned on.. I don't see how my program keeps from
pausing. I may zero out some more.
> >How are you liking UCC?
> I think it great. A bit slower to compile than 3.2.
> optimization set to default it take 1 1/2 to 2 times as long. Small price
> to pay for the greater flexiblity and the finished code runs noticeably
> faster.
> From now on, just about everything I post will be compiled with UCC.
> I'm porting most of my G-Windows stuff for recompilation to OS9000.
Sounds like a good testimonial. Might just see if I can go with it.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90878 3-DEC 09:12 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90874)
From: JEJONES To: DBREEDING (NR)
> > optimization set to default it take 1 1/2 to 2 times as long. Small
> > price to pay for the greater flexiblity and the finished code runs
> > noticeably faster.
>
> > From now on, just about everything I post will be compiled with UCC.
> > I'm porting most of my G-Windows stuff for recompilation to OS9000.
>
> Sounds like a good testimonial. Might just see if I can go with it.
Well...for what it's worth, here's an additional piece of data.
Remember gifshow for the MM/1? Long ago, when I first got my MM/1, with
Mike Haaland's permission I did some work to speed it up. I did about
all I could short of rewriting in assembly language.
About a week ago, when I finally got around to installing Ultra C on
my MM/1 (blush...I'm a fairly serious procrastinator), I recompiled
gifshow with no particular knobs twisted to speed it up. The resulting
program runs about 22% faster. (Sigh...it's about 3K bigger, too, but
I believe that's because ANSI added a fair amount of bells and whistles
to library routines. Compiling to use csl, Ultra C's version of cio,
makes the program about 18K.)
(Now, if I really want to crank it, I could tell the code generator that
code size is no object, or have the intermediate code form of all the
files linked together, so that the intermediate code optimizer can see
everything at once and inline where it saw fit, or go ahead and link the
intermediate code forms of the libraries as well...)
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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End of Thread.
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90865 1-DEC 21:37 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90848)
From: WDTV5 To: MIKE_GUZZI
Thanks, Mike, I was beginning to think nobody had tried it. Frankly, you
were the only one I knew would use it as you had mentioned a long time back
when setting up the current bbs that you were stuck with 28 because the later
ones were broken when more than 1 sector was associated with a bit in the map.
We all can use the 'testimonials'. BTW, I'm using the disto scii w a 4n1, and
I get 12.5 secs or so for megaread. Probably not the same megaread tho,
I re-wrote it due to a bad sector on my hard drive early one, making it
into a double loop using only the first 64k of the drive. For all I know,
that B09 code is slower than the original, I can't imagine its being faster
than the asm code the original was in.
Cheers - Gene
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90875 3-DEC 05:32 System Modules (6809)
RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90865)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: WDTV5 (NR)
Yes i was one of few who wanted to cluster the hard disk to keep that
bitmap from being too damn big. with my old 30 meg drives, as they filled
it took longer and longer to find free space and it was annoying.
Thats why i wrote Mbackup in basic09, since it does so much disk read/writes
there would be no speed advantage to write it in asm or C.
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End of Thread.
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90866 1-DEC 21:56 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90845)
From: DSRTFOX To: AJMLFCO
There is still plenty of OS-9 control solutions marketed, Allen, but not on
the small scale side that you are talking about. Most is embedded in large
scale factory control situations. As for small controllers, you are correct...
very few! But J&M Micro still manufactures and sells a 6809 controller board
and a development system for it. It isn't very expensive either!
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90873 3-DEC 01:15 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90866)
From: AJMLFCO To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I would be interested in knowing of any large scale industrial
control systems which use OS9 as a major component of their
product. I don't think Honeywell TDC3000, Foxboro I/A, Bailey I90,
Measurex, Allen-Bradley, GE, Westinghouse, use it and together they
represent 99% of the industrial controls market. There are some
niche applications for OS9 that I know of: Allen-Bradley's interface
card for connecting to Foxboro I/A, Measurex's vibration analysis
"SafeCondition" system (which I have personally installed and used),
some 6809 OS9 level one associated with Honeywell IPC620 PLC's, and
Cutler-Hammers' "Panelmate" operator interfaces. I sure don't
claim to know about all industries. I am most familiar with
Pulp & Paper, Petro-Chemical, and wood products. Not too familiar
with the Auto industry, which may be what you are talking about.
When I run across OS9, I always give it extra attention and
interest because I think "It's the Best" but solid, conservative,
business decisions must eventually be made.
Allen
Insert typical disclaimer here....
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90877 3-DEC 09:12 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90873)
From: JEJONES To: AJMLFCO (NR)
> I don't think Honeywell TDC3000, Foxboro I/A, Bailey I90,
> Measurex, Allen-Bradley, GE, Westinghouse, use it and together they
> represent 99% of the industrial controls market. There are some
> niche applications for OS9 that I know of: Allen-Bradley's interface
> card for connecting to Foxboro I/A, Measurex's vibration analysis
> "SafeCondition" system (which I have personally installed and used),
> some 6809 OS9 level one associated with Honeywell IPC620 PLC's, and
> Cutler-Hammers' "Panelmate" operator interfaces.
I'm confused. These two sentences seem mutually inconsistent.
Among Microware's promotional literature is an OEM list; I would think
they'd send you a copy upon request. The list is pretty long.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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End of Thread.
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90867 1-DEC 22:06 General Information
CD-i
From: DSRTFOX To: BOISY
Boisy, wouold you know if the Panasonic CDO machines are anything like the
CD-i? I mean as far as compatibility with games or movies. Someone here
recently purchased one for their kids (I told them CD-i would be better
supported through Sears!!). It is similar in concept, but I think I read
somewhere that it isn't compatible with CD-i games. But are the movies?
I seem to recal that the movies aren't a Phillips standard, so they may be
compatible. Any comments?
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90868 1-DEC 23:19 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90867)
From: BOISY To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Frank,
3DO and CD-i are not compatible. And as of this time, 3DO cannot play
full motion, full screen video, though it tries to make a noble attempt
at it. 3DO is more of a game unit than anything else, while CD-i is
a much broader product. I understand 3DO is coming out with an MPEG
cartridge, but as of THIS time, there still isn't one, and I'll believe
it when I see it in the stores.
3Dhas its own proprietary operating system and does NOT use CD-RTOS
(OS-9). So no, the movies on Video CD are not playable on the 3DO.
You can only get full motion full screen video from a CD-i player.
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90869 1-DEC 23:23 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90867)
From: COCOKIWI To: DSRTFOX (NR)
Ah! of interest!! anew chip out there is going to make CD-ROM into....
PLAY-CD.....an addon chip.........
that gives VIDEO on cd...Dennis
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90872 2-DEC 06:02 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 90867)
From: COCOKIWI To: DSRTFOX (NR)
I,m back!<g> had to type quick,someone was at the door!.....
The chip I,m refuring to is called the PLAYCD chip a cpu and a bunch of
cocoprocessors......on ONE chip! DVI compatible....3DO...Video
MPEG ...Etc........from what I,ve gleaned from this,is this chip is what
will be in the Creative Labs 3DO card they are coming out with....
The chip can be put in a CD-ROM drive at a cost of $50 extra..making the
player compatable to most all formats.....Movies on CD-ROM on ones computer!
I was reading about it the other day! The chip is there,and waiting to find
a home in other CD drives,or a computer or two! one could find a CD-ROM-TV
Boom box in a year or so..put a SCSI-2 interface in it! portable CD-rom!
<grin>......and movie box! slip in a movie! watch it....or plug in to
computer and play your best part..over and over again!!!<G>
Dennis
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End of Thread.
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90870 2-DEC 00:16 System Modules (6809)
RE: boots (Re: Msg 90852)
From: RICKULAND To: MIKE_GUZZI
Thanks, Mike. I remembered that, but forgot to attr it. Did
that and got a vdg only version that still opened windows....just
now, noticed I didn't fix init when I hacked in /dd/cmds:-)
hooray!
So grfdrv was available, after boot. A little late for term.
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland@delphi.com 449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
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90876 3-DEC 05:33 System Modules (6809)
RE: boots (Re: Msg 90870)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: RICKULAND (NR)
yep, sometimes a simple thing like that will make you pull your hair out
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End of Thread.
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90871 2-DEC 02:36 General Information
RE: cdi (Re: Msg 90674)
From: PHXKEN To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
Not all CD-i disks are the same.
Some will play the music scores on any audio CD player and some
will not.
A few [4, I think] have Kodak Photo Format but I do not know if
they have visible
pictures on any Kodak Photo CD player.
If you want to experiment, I suggest you look for one of the
Mozart CDs that
shows plainly on the cover that the music can be played on any
Audio CD player.
If it does not say so, then it probably won't.
The Mozart CD-i I am talking about costs less than $20.00
retail.
I think that some of the jazz CD-i's have the same feature but
they are all sold out
here for Christmas.
$phxken@class68.com
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90879 3-DEC 09:44 General Information
New From DISTO!
From: DISTO To: ALL
Now available! The "Inside 2-Meg" booklet from DISTO. Its a full description
of the DISTO 2-Meg Kit. Schematic diagrams, PAL listing and a full chip by
chip description of how it works. Send $20 + $2.50 S/H to DISTO 1710 Depatie,
St. Laurent Quebec, Canada H4L 4A8. -Tony.
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90880 4-DEC 03:33 General Information
RE: New From DISTO! (Re: Msg 90879)
From: LARRYOLSON To: DISTO
> Now available! The "Inside 2-Meg" booklet from DISTO. Its a full description
> of the DISTO 2-Meg Kit. Schematic diagrams, PAL listing and a full chip by
> chip description of how it works. Send $20 + $2.50 S/H to DISTO 1710
Depatie,
> St. Laurent Quebec, Canada H4L 4A8. -Tony.
Tony,
Would you by any chance be making an "Inside Video Digitizer" booklet
available ?
----- Larry Olson -----
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90888 4-DEC 21:17 General Information
RE: New From DISTO! (Re: Msg 90880)
From: DISTO To: LARRYOLSON
I don't think so, I did not sell many of those. I sold 100+ 2-Meg boards.
However, if you really are interested, I do have schematics and software. We
can discuss it in E-Mail. -Tony.
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End of Thread.
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90881 4-DEC 13:48 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90851)
From: 01GEN40 To: MIKE_GUZZI
Hi Mike,
Yeah, I figured the may be a problem with the video. I wonder if
the 63c09 automatically cruises at 3Mhz when in native mode. I am not
sure, that is why I ask the questions. Maybe when I am done with this
cource I am taking, on Computer Repair, I will have a better understand-
ing of what goes on "behind the scenes". Thanks, see ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90882 4-DEC 13:56 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90856)
From: 01GEN40 To: RICKULAND
Hi Rick,
I was not aware that my TRUSTY little CoCo 3 had any flaws. I thought
only INTEL machines had all the flaws! :) Thanks, see ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90883 4-DEC 14:02 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90857)
From: 01GEN40 To: RICKULAND
Hi again,
Sorry, I am not into Multi-Vue and "WINDOWS" even less. GUIs just
do not appeal to me. Thanks, see ya.
LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
-= 01GEN40 =-
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90884 4-DEC 15:07 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90813)
From: DBREEDING To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Thanks for the reply. I am not too worried about the amount of time
> I spend on-line. I average about 12-13 hours a month.
You must be luckier than me.. I have to pay on both ends of the line
(groan).. I try to watch my time, mostly going into the OS9 forums
here and on CIS.
> not had a chance to check into it. I will try the command you have
> suggested though.
This should let you know exactly what you have, it might be useful to
know..
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90899 5-DEC 23:47 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90881)
From: JEJONES To: 01GEN40 (NR)
> Hi Mike,
> Yeah, I figured the may be a problem with the video. I wonder if
> the 63c09 automatically cruises at 3Mhz when in native mode.
Actually, the CPU in the CoCo 3 is the 68B09E, and you presumably have a
63C09E as a replacement chip. The "E" suffix means "external clock," so
that the clock signal goes to the 63C09E just as it does to the 68B09E
originally in the CoCo 3.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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90908 6-DEC 23:26 General Information
RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90881)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: 01GEN40 (NR)
no, the speed of the cpu is determined by the clock crystal
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End of Thread.
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90885 4-DEC 15:08 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 90834)
From: DBREEDING To: EDELMAR
> > I just don't know what to think. I paid $439 for an Epson LQ-870,
> 2 years and ONE month the logic board went out, ...
>
> Sounds to me like someone at EPSON should be fired - supposed to fail
> after 2 years and one DAY <g>.
Guess they slipped up on that one.
> Seriously, I've stuck with OKIDATA for dot matrix printers.
> Re Lasers - I have a TANDY 950 which I used for quite a while. Supposed
> to be HPL2 compatible and it was, mostly.
> <...> . Don't know that there is a 'standard' for printer
> languages.
I've wondered about that myself.. From what I can gather, there are at the
very least, several "dialects".
> I think the big difference between the various manufacturers will be the
> availability of supplies; the toner cartridge and/or drum.
> Part of the decision regarding purchasing a
> laser printer is to consider the availability of parts and supplies many
> years down the pike.
This is something that should be considered in making many different types
of purchases, and of course, this is one area in which special regard should
be given. In my case, I live in a rather rural area, and it's hard to
just run in and get the part, most everything has to be ordered.
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90886 4-DEC 15:10 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90833)
From: DBREEDING To: EDELMAR
> PAGAN, in message #90810, covered the advantages of UCC pretty well. I
> had looked at using the GNU compiler several years ago from a legal
> viewpoint. According to the legal beagles, you may not sell software
> compiled by GNU if you use the GNU libraries.
That would add a disadvantage to the GNU route.. Are there any restrictions
on distributing software compiled under GCC, or 3.2, for that matter? I
contacted Tandy regarding the CoCo compiler, and they sent me a letter
stating that all that code could be considered PD in regard to distributing
compiled code.
> And you are required to either provide, or make
> available at no charge, the source code. (You are permitted a nominal
> charge to cover copying and shipping costs.)
That seems to be an unreasonable requirement.. I've seen the argument that
code should be provided with software, but IMO, that only gives anyone
license to tinker with your stuff. It can be altered without your knowledge
or permission and released under your name, causing you possible embarassment,
at the very least. I think Carl Kreider had a problem with this with his
"ar".. He had only gone up to 1.2, I believe, and there were versions up to
1.5 floating around. It caused him quite a bit of a hassle, as I understand
it.
> IMO, I don't believe MW will port 3.2
I'd say that would be VERY doubtful.
> I'm not aware of any support (except from other
> users) for the GNU C Compiler.
Very true.. you're pretty much on your own with them..
-- David Breeding --
CompuServe : 72330,2051
Delphi : DBREEDING
*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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90892 5-DEC 05:26 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90886)
From: EDELMAR To: DBREEDING (NR)
> ... Are there any restrictions on distributing software compiled under
> GCC, or 3.2, for that matter? ...
There are no restrictions distributing and/or selling code compiled with and
using the libraries provided with either 3.2 or Ultra-C. Indeed, MW gives
permission to distribute, at no charge, 'csl', the replacement for 'cio' and
the math module with the code if it is compiled with Ultra-C. To the best of
my knowledge, this type of policy is universal regardless of what software
house sells you their compiler. To the best of my knowledge, there are no
restrictions on code distribution for code compiled with the GNU compiler
if you _don't_ use their libraries.
> I contacted Tandy regarding the CoCo compiler, and they sent me a letter
> stating that all that code could be considered PD in regard to distributing
> compiled code.
Can you clarify that? Are you saying programmers cannot charge for software
if they use the CoCo C-Compiler and libraries? (PD would imply that.)
Ed
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End of Thread.
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90887 4-DEC 20:36 General Information
OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
From: THETAURUS To: ALL
OS-9 Late Night
Open Forum
Monday December 5,1994 at 10:00pm (est)
Please come on in, for the usual laid back chat of any
kind. Since some of the more knowledgeable OS-9'ers and Coco
Hackers tend to attend these conferences, an Open Forum like
the ones we have been having are good times to come in and
ask that question that's been nagging you or holding up your
latest programming project. Btw, hopefully I will soon have
the schedual for December and January all set. I have one
confirmed special conference coming up in January on the
16th. Members of the 'Glenside Color Computer Club'(Brian
please correct me if the name is wrong), will be on hand to
discuss the upcoming Cocofest in Chicago! This is one you
won't want to miss, especially if your looking for details
on how to be there. Btw, if you do need details on the fest,
you can send email to 'Theschu'. He is the president of
Glenside, and can help fill you in!
See Ya
>Chris<
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90889 4-DEC 23:02 New Uploads
PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships!
From: FHOGG To: ALL
"This new language (PowerBasic) may be the most significant thing to
come along for OS9 in the last ten years!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW SHIPPING <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PowerBasic for OS9/68000
Finally, someone wrote a BASIC compiler for OS9!
PowerBasic is the only native (68000) code BASIC compiler for use with
the OS-9/68000 Operating System.
------
I've just uploaded information on PowerBasic to the DL. Two files, one
gives the promo information and the other covers a introductory offer
that saves you $50 if ordered by the end of the month. Over the next
several days I will be uploading a more complete technical spec and
examples in PowerBasic source and object that you can try on your own
computer. I've downloaded a whole bunch of Basic09 programs from the DL
here and I plan to use some of them as examples also. My intent is to
see and show what is involved in converting regular Basic09 type
programs to PowerBasic and what speed and size advantages there are. If
you have any other suggestions you would like to see me try please let
me know.
I got my copy of PowerBasic just before Thanksgiving and have been
getting up to speed on it. So far I like it very much. The compiler runs
fast and the resultant code generated is also fast. Much much faster
than Basic09. I've been having fun looking at the '.a' files to see what
assembler code is generated by PowerBasic and to watch how changes in
the Basic program effect the assembler code. PowerBasic makes this easy
because the Basic source line is inserted into the '.a' file as a
comment.
PowerBasic object is stand alone, no 'runb' type of thing is needed. I
like this because it keeps the whole project as one program. No need to
worry about having all the pieces needed to make something work.
I'm looking for feedback so please feel free to ask questions and make
suggestions.
Thanks
Frank Hogg
FHL
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90894 5-DEC 18:38 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90889)
From: THETAURUS To: FHOGG
Frank you couldn't have announced this at a better time! I was just asking
everyone and his brother about this project for the last couple weeks. I will
dl that file. This will definately be a step in the right direction(and one
more reason to go OSK :-) )
>Chris<
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90897 5-DEC 22:17 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90894)
From: FHOGG To: THETAURUS
Chris,
I'm glad I hit you at the right time. <g> Why, may I ask, were you so
interested in this project??? Besides the obvious ones of course.
Frank
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90898 5-DEC 22:20 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90894)
From: FHOGG To: THETAURUS
I just checked DA NEW and I see the file is not yet available. I'll email you
a copy in the meantime.
Frank
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90900 5-DEC 23:51 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90897)
From: THETAURUS To: FHOGG
Ever since you first announced Basix way back when I was interested in the
project. I know at the time it was aimed at the Gwindows environment, so I
tried to keep tabs on the project, since I am a Basic Enthusiast. Also, since
I am still in the market for an OSK machine, I wanted
to be sure what environment this compilor would run on, so I could
keep that in mind when deciding on what machine to buy when the $$ is at
my disposal.(this won't be the case for a while still :-( )
It's good to know this program is aimed at the broad market and not limited
to a specific Windowing system(tho I will most likely aim everything I write
at a Gwindows and/or Kwindows Evironment). This will promote
as much developement as possible.
See Ua
>Chris<
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90903 6-DEC 05:49 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90889)
From: EDELMAR To: FHOGG
> PowerBasic is the only native (68000) code BASIC compiler for use with
> the OS-9/68000 Operating System.
> I'm looking for feedback so please feel free to ask questions and make
> suggestions.
Good show. Does it include GFX for G-WINDOWS or other graphics? Any plans
for OS-9000?
Ed Gresick
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90904 6-DEC 21:39 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90900)
From: FHOGG To: THETAURUS
Thank you for your support of the concept. We do plan an extension for
G-Windows beyond what can be done with the C library. I have had some
preliminary talks with Steve Adams about adding G-Windows support directly to
PB and he was supportative. Of course
that is a way off but we are thinking of it.
Mike wanted PB to be good enough so that he would not have to program in either
C or assembler again. He wants to do drivers and other system type stuff with
it. I want to do GW development with it. With our combined desires about the
capabilities of it wi
ll make quite a powerful product. IMHO.
Frank
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90905 6-DEC 21:45 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90903)
From: FHOGG To: EDELMAR
> Good show. Does it include GFX for G-WINDOWS or other graphics? Any plans
> for OS-9000?
For the first question see my message 90904. A GFX type of capability is in the
future. However because PB can call C Libs you can use the GW dev pak as is
just like you do with C. Mind you I havn't actually done that yet but as soon
as I get caught up wit
h stuff I will. I hope to upload a series of files that have source and bins
showing off PB.
On OS-9000... Yes but just future plans at this time. The door is being left
open in the code for other CPUs like Intel and PowerPC. As PB includes inline
asm it would be a bit of trouble but it can be done.
Frank
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90912 7-DEC 01:04 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90904)
From: AJMLFCO To: FHOGG
For those with 68020 and 68030 machines, is there support
for these other than straight 68000? I have a 68882 FPU, is
that supported? Does it use the assembler and linker that
already comes with OSK "C"?
Allen
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90913 7-DEC 20:02 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90912)
From: EDELMAR To: AJMLFCO (NR)
Allen's question in message 90912 is a good one.
> For those with 68020 and 68030 machines, is there support
> for these other than straight 68000? I have a 68882 FPU, is
> that supported?
Expanding on Allen's question, is PowerBasic capable of generating either
68000 and 68020 instructions? Does it adjust branch instructions for byte,
word and long offsets or use a default offset? Does it support the newer
FPU trap module in place of the MATH trap module? Is the CIO or the newer
CSL (in place of CIO) trap module required or does PowerBasic take care
of these functions? Does PowerBasic include a code optimizer?
In 'powerbasic.info' you state -
> Available now.
>
> Personal Users $350.00
>
> Commercial/Industrial Users $850.00
>
> There is no licensee or fee required to distribute your compiled
> PowerBasic programs.
What is the difference between the version for 'Personal Users' and the
version for 'Commercial/Industrial Users'? If no difference, may either
category distribute/sell code compiled with PowerBasic without paying
any further license fees or is the last sentence intended to apply to
'Commercial/Industrial Users' only? If either category may distribute/sell
code, what is the difference between Personal and Commercial/Industrial?
Ed
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90914 7-DEC 20:22 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90912)
From: FHOGG To: AJMLFCO (NR)
A later version is planned for 32 bit machines so you could just recompile at a
later time. However I have no timeframe for when that would be. The general
plan is to work on version 2 using feedback from version 1 users as well as
things he wants to do.
Because PB uses the math module for FP the 68882 would be supported thru that.
Yes it does use the assembler and linker that you have now. At your option you
can diddle with the '.a' file if you want.
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90916 7-DEC 22:53 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90913)
From: FHOGG To: EDELMAR (NR)
Ed,
> Expanding on Allen's question, is PowerBasic capable of generating either
> 68000 and 68020 instructions?
Version 1.0 is 68000 only.
> Does it adjust branch instructions for byte, word and long offsets or
> use a default offset?
(this from Mike)
Neither. It uses a caculated relative global jump or jsr.
...This code (from Mike) is what is used.
move.l #dest-*-8,a2
jmp (pc,a2.l)
(if then) etc uses words. Uses byte for things when it knows it can.
(I hope I typed that in right, I am NOT a 68K assembly programmer, that's
why I wanted PowerBasic.)
> Does it support the newer FPU trap module in place of the MATH trap module?
It uses the math trap.
> Is the CIO or the newer CSL (in place of CIO) trap module required or does
> PowerBasic take care of these functions?
PB takes care of it. It doesn't use CIO.
It uses 3 OS9 resources, some OS9 system calls, the standard MATH trap module,
and the sys.l library. Also refers to oskdefs.
> Does PowerBasic include a code optimizer?
Not in version 1.0. Planned for a later version. However there is some
internal optimizing.
> What is the difference between the version for 'Personal Users' and the
> version for 'Commercial/Industrial Users'?
They are both the same in all respects except for price. It is our intent
to support the individual user and to promote development with PowerBasic
by offering a lower cost version for individuals such as those here on
Delphi and over on CIS.
Promotions to commercial/industrial users do not mention the personal pricing.
I will be uploading a group of benchmark programs in Basic09 source,
PowerBasic source and PowerBasic object that you can look at and run on
your own machine so you can compare that aspect of PB. I will also upload
part of a '.a' file of one of the benchmarks so you can look at an example
of how PB does its thing. I hope to get to that this weekend.
Frank
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End of Thread.
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90891 5-DEC 01:31 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90877)
From: AJMLFCO To: JEJONES
I do have the source list right here, although it is the 1989
edition. I do see some OS9 mentioned in some ads in Control Engineering,
I&CS, Intek, and other trade magazines, but it is rare to see much. I
get complementary subscriptions to many of these including Embedded
Systems. It mentions OS9 once or twice every other issue or so. Until
OS9000 came out, there was nothing (inexpensively and commonly available)
to run OS9 on. I guess I'll stand by my statement in the previous
message that those companies represent 99 (or so) percent of the
industrial controls market and that most small systems are MS-Windows
based. It's really amazing that they have been able to do as much
as they have with Windows.
Allen
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90893 5-DEC 16:48 System Modules (6809)
CC3IO Patches
From: GREGL To: ALL
Can anyone answer this question?
From: IN%"78-5750@terranet.bluethun.quake.com" 2-DEC-1994 15:29:54.85
To: IN%"gregl@delphi.com"
Subj: cc3io.dr patches...
Hello Greg,
Marty pointed me in your Direction, as He did not know the Internet
address of Kevin Ddarling...
I'm trying to patch cc3io.dr from Version 2.00.01 of Level II OS-9 as so
to properly recieve OS-9 Escape sequences over the phone-line properly...
My first attempts at patching it with Information in Rainbow (2/88 I
believe), and Confirmed by Mike Guzzi (ApBBS Pensylvania 1-717-586-2771) was
interactively (not using a file and the -s option of modpatch) screwed up cc3io
royally... Then I tried the -s option and the file method, most bytes this time
around gave me a "byte does not match" warning, but other than that seems to
function MOSTLY... I was wondering if there was a specific patch needed or not
for this version of CC3io.dr
Edition: $10
Mod CRC: $F737C2 <Modified for RGB default and slower kbd io: $8C69BA >
Any help is appreciated...
Also speaking of Mods.... I heard there was a 1 byte mod for os9p1 that seemed
to cut down on the overhead considerably enough that 9600bps was reliable...
I have the Eddie Kuns Edition 9 Clock Modules < Bigger than Level II's
Edition 9 clock modules>, SACIA, VRN, and NIL added to increase speed, but only
wound up with at best a near 100% ability of ANSI at 4800bps using Supercomm
2.2.
Thanks in advance...
-Later!
-SS-
FidoNet Address: William Barnes@1:239/1100
InterNet Address: 78-5750@bluethun.quake.com <methinks>
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90909 6-DEC 23:31 System Modules (6809)
RE: CC3IO Patches (Re: Msg 90893)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: GREGL (NR)
YOU wrote the original article on the problem with CC3IO and multi-byte
control codes that come in through the modem. Here it is
READ 6234
6234 20-OCT 03:48 General Information
An outstanding bug in OS-9
From: GREGL To: ALL
This is a short text message that demonstrates some very blatant bugs that exist
under all current versions of OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2 for the Color Computer.
This bug makes it effectively impossible to send multi-byte control codes over
the modem and any attempt to do so will result in your cursor being homed and
the control codes effectively ignored. A few of us have been hounding Tandy and
Microware to fix this bug but nothing has resulted, and indeed some even thought
we were completely CRAZY! Well, you judge for yourself.
Most terminal programs handly data a byte at the time and this SHOULD work but
unfortunately due to some error it causes multi-byte control codes, such as
underline, blink, boldface, etc. to not function at all.
One method that I have discovered that does work is to adapt an "emulation"
scheme to your terminal program. This requires you to read incoming data
normally until you recognize the receipt of a control code (less than $20, or
space) and then do some buffering. For example, if you receive a $02 to
position the cursor, you should flush the buffer to the screen, get the x and y
coordinates, and then I$Write $02,x,y all at once and then continue receiving
normally. Any other method is guaranteed to fail miserably.
For those of you that still think I am completely off my rocker, here is an
that says you have "textrlined" at the top of your screen looking all screwy.
Greg
Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).
FORUM> READ 6307
6307 24-OCT 04:50 General Information
Outstanding bug found and fixed
From: GREGL To: ALL
Zap. Found the bug. Seems that SCF is throwing a SS.Close call in between the
display statements and multi-byte control sequences that are received
separately. Okay perhaps, but CC3IO stores any get/set stat calls in the SAME
spot that it stores char outputs! So what happens?
CC3IO stores the first 1F of the 1F22 call (underline on), then the SS.Close
($2A) gets stuck on top of the 1F, then the 22 comes in.... CC3IO etc gets
confused and thinks we have a 1B call, and grfint tries to do a "1B 22 ...."
overlay window setup!! Oooops.
Solution is to just not store the stat calls, and change a LBRA to go around a
little thing (tech talk- sorry). If I'm too far off here, change the following
in CC3IO when nothing else is going on:
Offset Old New
778 A7 12
779 C8 12
77A 1F 12
79F 4B 4E
9EE A7 12
9EF C8 12
9F0 1F 12
A2D BD C0
and of course reverify CC3IO and save it out or recobbler the disk. This should
fix things. - Kev !
Enter FOLLOW for related Message(s).
FORUM> FOLLOW
6309 24-OCT 16:16 General Information
RE: Outstanding bug found and fixed (Re: Msg 6307)
From: MEGABYTE To: GREGL
I can rest easy in my grave now knowing that the bug I spent so much effert on
has been fixed!!! Nice going guys!!!
---Mark S.
Press RETURN for related Message(s).
FORUM> EXI
Highest message read: 6309.
OS9>
Mike
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90895 5-DEC 20:54 General Information
Burn: Cycle ad
From: MRGOOD To: ALL
While visiting a friend yesterday, I saw a commercial for Burn: Cycle.
I was amazed to see an actual well done ad for the CD-I platform. I think
it was on the Comedy Channel.
Hugo
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90896 5-DEC 22:12 General Information
Sony Monitors
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
I recall reading here that someone has Sony monitors for sale and that these
can be used on the Coco3. I'm in need of a monitor and need the party's
name. Can anyone supply that for me. Thanx Charlie
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90901 6-DEC 02:09 General Information
RE: Sony Monitors (Re: Msg 90896)
From: NIMITZ To: CHARLESAM
Thats me. CPD1302.
See you in EMail.
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90902 6-DEC 02:40 General Information
RE: Sony Monitors (Re: Msg 90896)
From: DONALDS To: CHARLESAM
the name is
Rich Pikul & asso.
101 G
glenfield dr
Festus, mo 63028
314- 937 0335
the monitor is a Sony 3102, 26 dotpitch, cost 175.00 plus shipping.
Don
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90906 6-DEC 22:48 General Information
2nd Hard Drive
From: CHARLESAM To: ALL
I'm trying to get a 2nd HD working and having problems. The first thing that
I notice is the drive indicator light is on as soon as I power up. Of course
that shouldn't be. After I configured an H1 module and put it in my boot, I
booted and did a dir /h1. Lock up! Any thoughts on the subject will be
appreciated. I'm using 2 ST277-Ns and a Kenton controller. The jumper
sleeve for H1 is on the first set of pins closest to the center. Since H1
is the first drive on the cable, I removed the 3 sets of pins off the
bottom of the drive. Thats all I can think of now. Thanx Charlie
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90907 6-DEC 23:19 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90906)
From: WA2EGP To: CHARLESAM (NR)
I had a similar problem. Make sure that both of the hard drives have some type
of device selection such as h0 is #1 and h1 is #2. If you leave the jumper
off of the first one (which most do since there is only one drive on the SCSI
buss) it trys to read everything, including what is being sent to the second
drive. In SCSI, each device needs to have an ID number from 0 to 7, whether
a "driver" like the controller card or a "device" like a hard drive or other
media. They must be unique for each thing connected. I went in circles
until someone explained it to me verrrrrry carefully (grin). Hope that solves
the problem (and I explained it OK).
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90910 6-DEC 23:33 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90906)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: CHARLESAM (NR)
The fact the LED is on when it powers up is a problem, does it do that if
you disconnect the SCSI cable?
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90911 7-DEC 00:18 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90906)
From: MODEL299 To: CHARLESAM (NR)
I have seen this and might have an answer for you. I also have the KEN-TON
system and am quite pleased with it. You might be having a terminator
problem. There is one pin on the drive (don't remember which) that is on
the center terminator that is called "Drive Attention" or something like
that. The KEN-TON system does not use this pin and when the terminators
are removed it can get screwed up and lock the system. You might try to
find this pin and terminate just that one. A good test would be to put the
center terminator back in for a test.
I do not think this will help the drive light problem but it can be a
cause of the SCSI buss locking up. -Mark-
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90915 7-DEC 22:35 Programmers Den
PowerBASIC details?
From: JEJONES To: FHOGG
I've downloaded the files you uploaded about PowerBASIC, and I have a few
questions about the language.
- What data structuring facilities does it have (e.g. is there anything
analogous to the BASIC09 TYPE statement)?
- You say it supports separate compilation; does that mean that there are
actual functions with local variables? What's the syntax for calling a
separately compiled unit, passing parameters (including structured types
if the language supports them), and returning results?
- What debugging facilities does PowerBASIC have? (All I saw mentioned
in the file was a listing of assembly language output with the PowerBASIC
source interspersed.)
If you could post or upload a sample of PowerBASIC code displaying some of
its features, that would help a lot. Thanks.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90907)
From: CHARLESAM To: WA2EGP
I'm going to capture your message and go over it again. I believe I
understand what your driving at. I'll keep you posted and thanx alot.
..Charlie...
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90918 8-DEC 00:28 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90910)
From: CHARLESAM To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
I plan to play with the cables by hooking the original connector to H1 and
powering up. If the light comes on then, it has to be else where(the problem).
Thanx for the tip, I'll try it your way too. Keep you posted. ...Charlie...
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90919 8-DEC 00:34 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90911)
From: CHARLESAM To: MODEL299 (NR)
Well, yours is the third different area for me to look for the problem.
I guess with trying all three, I might get at the problem(s). Thanx Mark,
like I promised the first two responders, I'll keep you posted. I'm sure
it will get solved thanx to the good folks here. ...Charlie...
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90920 8-DEC 02:18 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90910)
From: CHARLESAM To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
Mike, I tried alot of different things now but in answer to your question,
yes it did stay on. I loosened the face plate and it went off which leads
me to believe that that problem was a pinched wire. What I have now is
my new drive hooked up as the only drive. I replaced the termination
resistors, and took off the jumper sleeve altogether. Just like my original
setup for /h0, which btw works fine. I used my lockout boot with DD=D0.
I booted and now when I do a directory, format, or chd to /h0, I get a
#246 which is device not ready. Now for sure I'm lost. BTW, when I address
Thanx Charlie
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90921 8-DEC 02:20 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90920)
From: CHARLESAM To: CHARLESAM
My message got cut off due to using slash. When I address H0 now, the light
does not come on. I'm thinking maybe I got me a bad drive..... Charlie
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90924 8-DEC 23:11 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90917)
From: WA2EGP To: CHARLESAM
Just an effect of laziness. With one drive, a lot of people don't bother with
adjusting the ID of the drive (no jumpers it seems to be zero) so it reads
anything on the buss. Put a second drive on there and it is "scratch-head"
city when a conflict develops. Why it works with no jumpers, I dunno. The
"controller" is usually 0. I banged my head on the wall for a month on this
until someone explained it to me real carefully. BTW, I have 2 hard drives and
a CDROM drive on my MM/1 and they are all talking to the machine very happily.
I guess I got it right! (grin) Good luck. I hope this did solve the problem.
, H0 is #0, H2 is #2 and the CDROM is # 1. Look
at ctrlid on dmode and see if they are different on the two drives. They
should be or else they will fight with each other.
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90931 9-DEC 23:38 General Information
RE: 2nd Hard Drive (Re: Msg 90924)
From: CHARLESAM To: WA2EGP (NR)
I seem to understand that the Id has to be different. I'm using scsisys and
I believe my Ids are straightened out but there is also a jumper to the
left of the control cable and I'm not sure about the placement of that.
Also, I substituted my new drive for the existing drive as H0, but os9
refuses to recognize it. I get Unit not ready ERROR. I believe now that
there is some problem with the drive. I'll keep working on it. Thanx
Charlie
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90922 8-DEC 16:56 System Modules (6809)
RE: CC3IO Patches (Re: Msg 90909)
From: GREGL To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
It's amazing how the mind becomes such a fragile thing after a few years. I
had completely forgotten about those messages. Thanks for digging them up.
-- Greg
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90923 8-DEC 20:11 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90916)
From: EDELMAR To: FHOGG
Frank,
> They are both the same in all respects except for price. It is our intent
> to support the individual user and to promote development with PowerBasic
> by offering a lower cost version for individuals such as those here on
> Delphi and over on CIS.
> Promotions to commercial/industrial users do not mention the personal
> pricing.
If I order PowerBasic, do I have to pay the $300 price or $800. Understand,
if performance of the object code proves satisfactory and my productivity is
improved, I will use it for commercial software. Some object code might even
find its way into some VOD (DAVID) stuff (drivers and other system state
modules).
It is to be expected that 'undocumented features' crop up in a new package
such as this (no negative conotation intended - just an unfortunate fact of
life). As bugs are found and fixed, will updates be sent automatically?
Ed
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90926 9-DEC 00:57 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90923)
From: FHOGG To: EDELMAR
You can have it for the $300 price.
>As bugs are found and fixed, will updates be sent automatically?
I don't know just how Mike will be handeling this. I could easily email you
and others new versions here on Delphi as they become available. I'll ask
Mike what his 'official' policy will be.
Frank
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90929 9-DEC 21:15 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90926)
From: FHOGG To: ALL
I have uploaded the following to the database,
Contents:
1 POWERBASIC LANGUAGE SPECIFICATIO (Size: 1356 Count: 0)
Dow: PBSpec.upl
2 POWERBASIC BENCHMARK RESULTS IN (Size: 40476 Count: 0)
Dow: PBench.ar
3 POWERBASIC BENCHMARK IN LHA (Size: 28458 Count: 0)
Dow: PBench.lzh
4 POWERBASIC BENCHMARK README (Size: 2670 Count: 0)
Dow: PBench.ReadMe
However I don't know when the sysop will get to it. The following
is the contents of the last file, the ReadMe file.
PowerBasic Benchmark results
12/9/94
This archive has 49 files. 4 versions of each benchmark and a
ReadMe file. It is archived twice. Once with Ar V2.0 (40476
bytes) and again with LHa V 2.01 (28458 bytes). Both done under
OSK.
The nature and results of bench2 through bench12 are as follows:
(all tests were run on an 030 system @33MHZ w/ 1 wait state)
(all times are in seconds)
PB MW Name of Test Nature of Test
3 33 bench2 increment variable in loop
2 N/A bench2m same as bench2 but with assembly MACRO
4 44 bench3 assign loop variable to array in loop
5 12 bench4 complex integer expression in loop
4 64 bench5 assign user type element in loop
7 15 bench6 str$ function in loop
10 186 bench7 read a data statement in loop
4 46 bench8 find address of array element in loop
3 46 bench9 simple if/then count loop
15 237 bench10 assign constant to integer variable in loop
6 72 bench11 control structures "false" in loop
2 32 bench12 "land" function in loop
There are 4 variations of each benchmark. *.b is the PowerBasic
source, *.b09 is the same source with minor mods needed for
Basic(09), *.obj is the compiled code and *.a is the unaltered
output of PowerBasic in assembler source. The *.a files are
complete but you cannot assemble them because they need the
runtime subroutine package called 'runsubs' which is part of
PowerBasic.
Note that 'shell date -j' was used because the early version of
PowerBasic that was used to compile these benchmarks did not have
the 'date$' function implemented yet. Note that these times
should be viewed on their own rather than as a test of the speed
of any particular computer. They are just to show the speed
advantage of the compiled code of PowerBasic.
I have downloaded almost every Basic source program here and I
hope to compile then under PowerBasic to see what is involved in
a typical conversion and to see what size and speed advantage
PowerBasic has. In the above benchmarks you will note the small
size of the *.b09 files compared to the size of the *.obj. Don't
forget the the *.b09 files have to have 'runb' which is about
24K. Obviously using PowerBasic on small programs will result in
a very small runtime program over Basic(09). (BTW I know that on
OS9/68000 it is called BASIC and not Basic09. I use the (09) to
avoid confusion.)
Frank Hogg
Please feel free to ask questions. I will do my best to answer them.
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90935 10-DEC 16:17 New Uploads
RE: PowerBasic for OS9/68000 ships! (Re: Msg 90929)
From: FHOGG To: ALL
I've just uploaded an example utility for the date function. After I uploaded
the stuff last night I got to playing. This is my actual first attempt at
several things. 1... Writing an actual program in PowerBasic, 2... Doing
anything in assembly language. Doing the second is very easy in PB. The
upload is this:
Name: POWERBASIC DATE UTILITY EXAMPLE
Type: PROGRAM
Date: 10-DEC-1994 16:02 by FHOGG (able to edit the Group)
This is a example of a date utility written in PowerBasic. It shows doing a mix
of assembly and Basic and the use of alias's. PowerBasic source, the assembly .
a
file and the object are in the archives. The same stuff is in each file. One is
in LHa 2.01 and the other is ar 2.0.
Topic: New Uploads
Keywords: UTILITIES, POWERBASIC EXAMPLE FHL OSK OS9/68000
Contents:
1 POWERBASIC DATE EXAMPLE (AR) (Size: 7857 Count: 0)
Dow: PBdate.ar
2 POWERBASIC DATE EXAMPLE (LHA) (Size: 4476 Count: 0)
Dow: PBdate.lzh
The source for PowerBasic is short so it now follows:
**************************************
* Simple Date program for PowerBasic *
**************************************
*
* This is a good example of the flexability and power of mixing
* assembly language and Basic statements in one program.
*
dim TimeError:short
dim time:long
dim timeA(4):byte alias=time
dim date:long
dim dateA(4):byte alias=date
dim dateB(2):short alias=date
dim day:short
**********************************
* Month and day are bytes and year is a short (2 bytes) the easiest
* way to get them out of the long is by using alias arrays. The byte
* array gets the month and day while the short array gets the year.
* Note that these do not take any additional memory, they just point
* to what they alias. Refer to the '.a' file.
**********************************
**********************************
dim tick:long
dim tickA(2):short alias=tick
**************************************
* tickA(1)= number of ticks per second. tickA(2)=number of ticks
* so we do HR:MIN:SEC and TICKS/TICKRATE
* Example of output on KiX which has 100 ticks per second
*
* 12/10/1994 15:22:21 and 16/100 Seconds
*
**************************************
* Make the system call. Refer to F$Time pg 1-64 in the MW manual
* 0=Gregorian, 1=Julian, 2=Gregorian w/ticks, 3=Julian w/ticks
**************************************
* Code starts here
Start
move.w #2,d0 \ Set for Gregorian w/ticks
os9 F$Time get the time
bcc.s Good
goto Perror
Good
* Put OS9 System Call output in PowerBasic variables
move.l d0,time(a6)
move.l d1,date(a6)
move.w d2,day(a6)
move.l d3,tick(a6)
* Promote PowerBasic
print "PowerBasic date utility example"
print dateA(3);"/";dateA(4);"/";dateB(1);
print " ";timeA(2);":";timeA(3);":";timeA(4);
print " and ";tickA(2);"/";tickA(1);" Seconds"
goto Quit
Perror
move.w d1,TimeError(a6) Error code is now in TimeError
print "Err: ";TimeError
Quit
end
Sure is easy to do things I would never have been able to try in either C
or assembly. I don't know if this could be done in MW Basic but I don't
want to bother. BTW the compile time for this is 13 seconds which includes
running PowerBasic, r68 and l68. I'm using a somewhat slow hard drive too.
I suppose I could do this on /r0 but 13 seconds is fast enough for me.
Frank
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90925 9-DEC 00:52 Programmers Den
RE: PowerBASIC details? (Re: Msg 90915)
From: FHOGG To: JEJONES
> - What data structuring facilities does it have (e.g. is there anything
> analogous to the BASIC09 TYPE statement)?
Yes, as a matter of fact there is a TYPE statement simular to BASIC09
except they cannot be nested.
> - You say it supports separate compilation; does that mean that there are
> actual functions with local variables?
Yes
> What's the syntax for calling a separately compiled unit, passing
> parameters (including structured types if the language supports them),
> and returning results?
I asked Mike to work up an answer for this as I am not up to speed yet.
> - What debugging facilities does PowerBASIC have? (All I saw mentioned
> in the file was a listing of assembly language output with the PowerBASIC
> source interspersed.)
That's all there is.
> If you could post or upload a sample of PowerBASIC code displaying some of
> its features, that would help a lot. Thanks.
I plan to do just that this weekend. I'm going to try to get it Friday night.
Some
of them are very impressive benchmarks. I'll add more as I get up to speed.
I've
been busy with regular work and getting the promo for PB out. Have to do my
chores before I can play. <g>
Frank
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90927 9-DEC 05:32 General Information
RiBBS/FidoNet Message Formats
From: DGANTZ To: ALL
I need some help in interpeting the following data. It is a dump of a
message exported by RiBBS Export by the name of msg1.
I'm working on a program that will put RiBBS one step closer to being
able to act as a hub and need to be able to generate messages from within
that will get bundled for the appropriate net/node.
I have the FSC0001 document that describes various formats of various FIDO
files, but there are some things in the below that don't seem to be
documented. Note the lines with *'s. These are what don't seem to be
documented, nor do I have a clue as to how to generate them.
Addr 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 2 4 6 8 A C E
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----------------
0000 0200 0100 0400 FE7A FE7A 0000 0000 3039 .......z.z....09
0010 2044 6563 2039 3420 2030 303A 3034 3A33 Dec 94 00:04:3
0020 3100 4461 7272 656E 2043 6C69 6674 0044 1.Darren Clift.D
0030 6176 6520 4761 6E74 7A00 4372 6561 7469 ave Gantz.Creati
0040 6E67 2061 2074 6573 7420 6D65 7373 6167 ng a test messag
0050 6500 0149 4E54 4C20 313A 3331 3438 362F e..INTL 1:31486/ *
0060 3420 313A 3334 362F 392E 310D 014D 5347 4 1:346/9.1..MSG *
0070 4944 3A20 313A 3334 362F 392E 3140 6669 ID: 1:346/9.1@fi *
0080 646F 6E65 742E 6F72 6720 3865 3564 3030 donet.org 8e5d00 *
0090 6430 0D01 5049 443A 2052 6942 4253 2076 d0..PID: RiBBS v *
00A0 322E 3130 0D54 6869 7320 6973 206A 7573 2.10.This is jus *
00B0 7420 6120 7465 7374 206D 6573 7361 6765 t a test message
00C0 2074 6F20 7374 7564 7920 7768 696C 6520 to study while
00D0 6174 7465 6D70 7469 6E20 746F 2063 7265 attemptin to cre
00E0 6174 6520 6D79 206F 776E 0D0A 6672 6F6D ate my own..from
00F0 2061 2070 726F 6772 616D 2E0D 0A20 200D a program... .
Addr 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 2 4 6 8 A C E
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----------------
0100 0A20 2020 2020 2044 6176 650D 0A20 0D0A . Dave.. ..
0110 2D2D 2D20 5269 4242 5320 7632 2E31 300D --- RiBBS v2.10. *
0120 0A00 ..
The bytes from offset $52 to $A4 seem to have no documentation
or explanation. Also, am I correct in assumming that the bytes
from offset $10C to $121 are add ons to the text I typed?
What I have in mind is similar to the auto messages generated by TicNote
and AutoFrl, but in this case the messages need to generated for export
rather than for import.
Can anyone shed some light (in an Inside RiBBS type fashion) on the above
data or similar?
I'd really appreciate any help I can get. Thanks
Dave
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90928 9-DEC 09:40 General Information
RE: RiBBS/FidoNet Message Formats (Re: Msg 90927)
From: GREGL To: DGANTZ
The text part of the message (without the binary field delimiters) looks fairly
straight forward.
09 Dec 94 00:04:31
Darren Clift
Dave Gantz
Creating a test message
INTL 1:31486/4 1:346/9.1
MSG ID: 1:346/9.1@fidonet.org 8e5d00d0
PID: RiBBS v2.10
This is just a test message to study while attemptin to create my own.
from a program...
Dave..
--- RiBBS v2.10
It appears the lines you are having a problem with are INTL, MSG ID and PID in
the header. Offhand, the MSG ID should be a unique message identifier (in this
case it appears to be composed of the FIDO node/net number followed by what
could be the time in UNIX ctime() format). The PID appears to be nothing more
than the name and version number of the BBS software and the last line is a
signature -- in this case an advertisement for RiBBS v2.10. The INTL 1 line
could be the source and destination node/net numbers of the FIDO systems, or
perhaps something inserted by the mailer.
If it's not documented, you either need better documentation or these lines are
optional.
-- Greg
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90932 10-DEC 03:52 General Information
RE: RiBBS/FidoNet Message Formats (Re: Msg 90928)
From: DGANTZ To: GREGL (NR)
Many thanks for your reply. It has helped tremendously. Could you elaborate
0d0 line strikes me as some sort of checksum or crc.
As kinda of a return Xmas gift, I'd like to suggest that you check out "go main
shop shop". This is Shoppers Advantage Online. I've been a member for several
months now, and they've saved me big $$$ on many items. I spent $300 on Xmas
es. Anyway... This isn't an ad, just word of mouth from a satisified customer.
May your holidays be filled with joy.
Dave
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90930 9-DEC 22:20 General Information
RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90858)
From: THESCHU To: DISTO
Many thanks Tony. - Brian
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90933 10-DEC 09:23 General Information
Install program
From: TEDJAEGER To: ALL
Hi all,
I'm trying to develop an installation program for applications
written for the MM1. To date, I have a point and click shell that
allows user to specify from what drive, to what drive, name of
program, etc. Once the parameters are established, the install
program runs a script that is provided by the programmer. The script,
of course, is responsible for actually moving the files from
installation disk to wherever.
What do you guys make of this general plan? It is hard to do error
checking in the script file from the install program. (Tips?) Also Joel H
discussed copying files from an installation disk to a pipe and
then from pipe to target disk in a 68 Micros column. I tried that
approach but quickly ran into the limitation that you can't create
a directory inside a pipe or do a backup of a disk into a pipe. Least
I kept getting error messages! Seemed to mean that the install program
would have to assume that all the component files of the application
program would be in the same directory (/d0) on the installation disk. I
really dont want to make that assumption.
Thoughts appreciated
Bests
---TedJaeger
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90934 10-DEC 12:53 General Information
RE: Install program (Re: Msg 90933)
From: JOHNREED To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
> I'm trying to develop an installation program for applications
> written for the MM1. To date, I have a point and click shell that
Good! We need it.
>
> What do you guys make of this general plan? It is hard to do error
> checking in the script file from the install program. (Tips?) Also Joel H
Have you considered using the `oddjob' program? You can do things
that the fancy UNIX shells do, and everyone with an MM/1 should have
it..
> discussed copying files from an installation disk to a pipe and
> then from pipe to target disk in a 68 Micros column. I tried that
Warning. I have found (on my MM1/a) that files copied to a named
pipe, then back to a disk file have a few characters tacked on to them
at the end - mostly on larger (over 15k ) files.
JohnW
********************************
A stitch in time --------------------
------ is worth two in the bush
John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90653)
From: DIGIGRADE To: HAWKSOFT (NR)
> I'm putting the final <?> touches on a single program that steps you
> thru the directories and copys files from BOTH CD-i and CDRom (MS-DOG
> type) discs.
> Also have a working version (some-what) of a file manager for CDRom
> disks. Reads CD directories with the STOCK DIR command! Attr works too!!
> Some programs can load files DIRECTLY from CD.
>
> Chris
Sounds great Chris. We need good drivers for logging into CD-i & CDROM
disks. I'll be making a CD game for the MM/1 soon (just got a main routine
going!) and that will be essential.
By the way, I just got off the phone today with OptImage after a big
phone runaround with Philips and Tech Service. I wanted to get a dev system
(CDI 602 or 605), they come with an I/O card and ethernet interface, as well
as floppy and caddy CD-i drive. With a DV card it all costs about $42,000.00
which puts it far out of my reach. This makes the talked about "magic" disk
the only real way for me to develop on CD-i. I still want a writeable CD
drive as I want to author CD-i CD-A and CD+G disks. They are sending me more
info. I might be able to get an extremely stripped CDI 602. ???
Hoping, waiting, and wrighting,
Dave
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91071 21-DEC 19:32 General Information
Back, after a month of aaagony.
From: DIGIGRADE To: ALL
Hi all,
In case your wondering why I haven't made the least bit of noise around
here, my account was suspended last month and as you know it takes weeks
for Delphi to process things. So here I am. I know you are all jumping for
joy. :)
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91072 22-DEC 01:11 General Information
RE: Deskmate (Re: Msg 91065)
From: 2RSMITH To: CHYDE (NR)
Surprised me. Questions as follows: #1 Yes. #2 DM disk boots itself.
#3 Yes I xarc it and printed the ded.doc. I dl'd the program:
DED: DISK EDITOR.....there are 3 programs in APP. I used my orig-
inal system disk to boot after I put ded on a blank disk as I was
having problems with ATTR. I called it RAY and renamed to ded.
I replaced the SYS disk with the DM disk and used the chx /d0/cmds,,,
and the chd /d0 to get the computer in the right mood.
I ended up with: /d0/ded os9boot and I got all the cols and rows.
I got into the p module and changed to 04 as u said. after doing it
like U said it was verified etc. I then started over and booted the
DM disk--but a sample letter whouldn't print 1t 2400 B. still 600.
The only place u can change baud is to 600 0r 1200. I tried both.
my p won't take 1200. The tel progam can be changed to 2400 but I
don't use it. I have Dterm and Supercomm for tel comm.
so ooooooo. ??????
On some of my Supercomm disks I can't seem to set the attr so I can read.
I hadn't used it in some time--wonder what happened? I tried to change
the attr by using the big book method but all I get is ewrewr--no pepwpr.
I wanted to list the CMDS directory to check what is in it--but no dice.
Well T've written enuf stuff-hope U can make it out--R
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91073 22-DEC 06:51 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 90979)
From: AJMLFCO To: DSRTFOX (NR)
yes, GESPAC has a nice offering. I notice lately that they have come out
with a lot of Intel/ Windows stuff. It must hurt them to have to
do that, but customers are a demanding lot! With the low price of
PC's, a plant engineer can set up a nice operator workstation with
good graphics and never have to write a line of code-- never see
a "C" compiler. Maybe the Power PC will open up a new opportunity.
Do you think K-windows will be a "hit" on the power PC?
Allen
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91074 22-DEC 07:07 Programmers Den
RE: powerbasic vs. Ultra C (Re: Msg 90963)
From: AJMLFCO To: PAGAN
Your message regarding "pointers" in C: As a casual programmer,
I have often wondered exactly why pointers in C were a particular
advantage. With various Basics, one can pass by value or by
reference. I have often wondered if this pointer stuff is a
kludge to make up for lack of a more intuitive mechanism.
Allen
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91075 22-DEC 21:32 Programmers Den
RE: powerbasic vs. Ultra C (Re: Msg 91074)
From: JEJONES To: AJMLFCO (NR)
> Your message regarding "pointers" in C: As a casual programmer,
> I have often wondered exactly why pointers in C were a particular
> advantage. With various Basics, one can pass by value or by
> reference. I have often wondered if this pointer stuff is a
> kludge to make up for lack of a more intuitive mechanism.
Pointers have other purposes than simulating call by reference; their
main use is to build up data structures. Admittedly, the pointer is
to data structures what goto is to control structures, and for a while
people proposed providing recursive data structure definitions to make
pointers unnecessary at the source language level.
Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
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91076 23-DEC 04:29 Programmers Den
RE: powerbasic vs. Ultra C (Re: Msg 91074)
From: PAGAN To: AJMLFCO (NR)
>Your message regarding "pointers" in C: As a casual programmer, I have
>often wondered exactly why pointers in C were a particular advantage. With
>various Basics, one can pass by value or by reference. I have often
>wondered if this pointer stuff is a kludge to make up for lack of a more
>intuitive mechanism.
It is true that pointers to atomic data types or to structures can be very
confusing. Also the C pointer arithmetic can cause some headaches at times
too. I'm used to them so I don't really think about them anymore. I
suppose some other mechanism is possible but it would probably use pointers
anyway; just make them transparent to the programmer.
The case I was making to Frank regards pointer to functions rather than to
data. They make handling certain types of event driven programming very
simple (or as simple as event driven programmng can be :-) and AFAIK no
Basic supports them. Also, Gwindows uses a pointer to the named function
when it sets up a callback function for a window event. I don't want to end
up posting 30K of tutorial here but I'm writing an occassional guest spot
for Ed Gresick's "Gee Windows" column in 68 Micro and I plan to cover this
subject in a future article.
Stephen (PAGAN)
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91077 23-DEC 18:25 General Information
RE: os9 boot (Re: Msg 91044)
From: TAULBORG To: MIKE_GUZZI (NR)
I don't know what the prob was but I ended up reformating the drive,I then
Put Hyper I/O on it so I can use RSDOS on my hard drive.I had all my Os9
stuff backed up to My second hard drive so I thought I was safe.I put all
the backed up stuff and put it back on /h0 and deleted it from /h1.I was
getting tired so I went to bed,then the next day I found out that I did
Hyper I/O wrong so it messed every thing up and I had already deleted
all the backed up stuff from /h1 so I had to start all over again!!!!
I am still setting everything back up.I have set this thing up afew
times now so I will get good at it sooner or later.Each time I have
to redo thins darn thing I learn a little,I also have learned a
little about covering my butt,so I have a directory on /h1 called
HARD0 with most of the important and hard to find stuff so if I
have to reformat my /h0 I have a good start at setting it back up
on /h1.Once I get this thing set up the way I want it I will back
it up on floppies,but that will be a while!!!!!Thanks for the info!!
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91119 28-DEC 20:02 General Information
RE: Dragon's Lair II (Re: Msg 91114)
From: DIGIGRADE To: MREGC
> If you have a CD-i player, RUN, don't walk, to your favorite CD-i
> store and pick up Dragon's Lair II. This is the most visually stunning
> game I have ever seen on any home system or in the arcade, bar none. It is
> simply incredible. If you like Dragon's Lair, the sequel makes the
> original look like Pong.
>
> I say this is the 2nd best game ever created. Space Ace is still
> first, simply because, as a character, Ace is a lot more fun to watch than
> Dirk.
I agree on that last point. I'll have to get DL II in a month or so.
Dave
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91125 28-DEC 23:37 General Information
RE: Dragon's Lair II (Re: Msg 91119)
From: MITHELEN To: MREGC
Ya... D.L. II is much better then the orig... I still rank Mutant Rampage
above it though...
I picked up NFL Hall of Fame Football a week or so ago... it is a must for
the Foot Ball fanatic... lots of great information, and old clips of
the Hall of Famers. And the football game itself is decent. Although if you
want to set up your own leauge/team, you pretty much can't have anything
else stored in the CDi players NVRam (anyone figure out how to add more
NVRam yet?) My brother in law really enjoyed playing it Christmas day
(kicked my behind: 40something to 0!)
--
Paul
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91120 28-DEC 20:03 Telecom (6809)
96958
From: TAULBORG To: DENNYWRIGHT
I agree that the files should be marked for each computer and that it
should be the resposibilty of the uploader to use the appropriate
keywords when uploding ANY file to this or any section!
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91121 28-DEC 20:03 General Information
RE: ge (Re: Msg 91118)
From: DIGIGRADE To: WA2EGP
> Is it me? I wish uploads would say what machine/OS (OS-9 vs. OS-9/68000)
> the thing would run on. I get tired downloading something only to find
> that it is for the CoCo (No offense here, the same could be said in
> reverse) and I try to use it on an OSK box. Is it possible that OSK or
> OS9 could be used as a keyword? That used to be done more in the past. I
> think a lot of users would appreciate it, especially newer users. Also,
> put vital info in the docs rather than in the program description. I have
> had a couple of d/l where
> something was missing from the docs but it was in the program
> description. That would really drive someone crazy. I know I'm being
> picky but there were a lot of times where I wish these things were
> done......and I would have less gray hair and more hair (Grin).
>
I was just about to post the same thing. Allthough I didn't down any of
the new uploads that just popped up I looked at the descriptions and it
seemed they were 6809 files so I left them alone. I do hate when I have to
search the descriptions for things like "runs fine under MultiVue" or
"you will need (a level2 program) on the same floppy" in order to distinguish
6809 from 68000. Once, I didn't know until I SCOURED the docs that what I
downed was 6809 code.
I also think we should all decide on a GUI to support on OSK, or support
them all (even better idea). The ones I can think of are Desktop and EthaGUI.
It would also be wonderful if the GUIs made installation of programs as easy
as on the Macintosh.
Before I forget, whoever is in charge of seminars for Chi Fest '95, I
would like to do a seminar. Please send me mail. <DIGIGRADE>
I'll be making a few heaping uploads as I update and write docs for some
shareware I've been working on for the MM/1 and had available on the now
deceaced (sp) Compiler Disk Supplement. Digigrade will be at the fest so keep
your eyes peeled those who are going. The Chi Fest is usually my favorite
time of the year. Didn't mean to drag this on... :)
Have a happy new year! I know I will!
Dave
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91124 28-DEC 23:19 General Information
RE: ge (Re: Msg 91118)
From: MITHELEN To: WA2EGP
It must be you... Seriously, unless otherwise stated in the keywords as for
something other then for OS-9/6809 then in most cases the program can be
assumed to be for generic OS-99/6809... If the submission is for OS-/68000
the keyword "OSK" should be present. If for OS-9000, the keyword "OS9000"
(or maybe it was OS9K) will be there. If GWindows, or Kwindows is required
(or multiview) then those keywords will also be present...
If you finde submissions in the database that do NOT conform to what is listed
above, then PLEASE, let me know the Group Name, and Database Name, and what is
incorrect. It is impossible for me to correct these things without being told
specifically what the problem is.
--
Paul Jerkatis
OS-9 Sig Database Manager
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91128 29-DEC 21:41 General Information
RE: ge (Re: Msg 91124)
From: WA2EGP To: MITHELEN
Then it must be me. At one time I thought an OS-9 program would have OS-9/OS9
or CoCo as a key word. Since I haven't uploaded anything (nothing I have
written is really worth the storage space.....believe me) I don't if that is
one of the prompts (reminding uploaders of using certain keywords) \---know
or that is added later. I assumed (we know what that means) that no keyword
specific to a machine or version of OS-9 meant it would run on anything or
there were files present for all machines or it could be compiled on any
machine. Well, now that I'm straight on what is what, if there are any
submissions that don't conform.....I'll let you know. On a lighter note,
OS-99? Boy, I haven't been in touch (grin).
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91122 28-DEC 20:03 Telecom (6809)
RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91110)
From: DIGIGRADE To: DBREEDING (NR)
> Contact William Wittman, Jr, 873 Johnson Rd Churchville, NY 14428
> Ph. 716-494-1506
> specific; I don't think it will even connect to any other system, but
Nope, just Delphi and Compuserve, good enough! I was really blown
away by how easy it is to use. It even lets you choose what offline editor
you want to use. That reminds me, MicroEmacs started (all of a sudden it
seems) to think that the ix_tmp.0000xx files ix uses to store your replys
and posts are C source, so it enters CMODE. That can be a bit annoying. But
I switched to UMacs and it doesn't seem to care what the extension is, it's
NOT going into CMODE unless you tell it to. I think UMacs is what the nice
big PRINTED AND HOLE PUNCHED (oops, sorry about some of you other
developers) manual reccomended. Infoxpress also includes sample config files
that are commented and easy to understand. (darn I'm replying to the wrong
person again) <g> You can organize forums (and custom forums) into different
call groups. When you type "o" it will ask you what call groups you want it
to call and process. You could have Group1 with OS9 SIG, Hobby SIG, and
personal mailbox or all as seperate groups. Each group is a different call
since the groups could be Delphi and then Compuserve, or even different
accounts. It is very configureable. The four best buys for OSK are (IMO)
in no particular order, Write Right! THE WYSIWYG word processor, DeskTop
(just from the images & demo I know it's good!), EthaGUI, and InfoXpress.
Each one is fully functional and fully featured.
Excuse the sidetracking please.
> the CoCo version does not allow session logging, but the OSK version, I
> understand, does.
Yes, it's nice to have if Delphi or Sprintnet spits up at you. Ix is
pretty smart (as you may well know) and when things lag to a stop or there
is alot of line noise ix will sometimes leave Delphi or Compuserve and
display a message (until you look at the screen and see it) that an error
occured and you can look at the logfile (if you told it to log that group)
and see just what happened online. If it happened in the middle of forum
grab then it will most likely just do that forum over (and get the rest) the
next time you press "o". Ix knows when a file is damaged by line noise and it
will stamp DAMAGED on the file header, so you can request to re-read it or
mail that is in your packet. Anyway, I should leave this for an in depth
review.
Dave
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91123 28-DEC 22:07 General Information
RE: Deskmate to 2400 baud (Re: Msg 91109)
From: 2RSMITH To: ISC
I have a feeling mine must be old and not allow 2400 b. The flysheet says:
Deskmate Program 1985 Tandy Corp. The disk shows Cat. #26-3259. I
bought it new from RS but have not used it much as there are other programs
on the sig that I have used. also I bought Quickletter which is useful.
I have used this for long documents such as a 4 page Lease agreement so
I could no. the pages change easily etc. What is the cat no. of the
r---Ray
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91126 29-DEC 05:03 General Information
RE: os9 boot (Re: Msg 91077)
From: MIKE_GUZZI To: TAULBORG
I never messed with hyper-io at all. but i have learned a few lessons
myself concerning hard disks and backups
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91135 29-DEC 23:47 General Information
RE: os9 boot (Re: Msg 91126)
From: TAULBORG To: MIKE_GUZZI
It's nice for me to have 2 hard drives.It makessetting the first one back
up a lot easier and quicker! Until I find that I don't have room for
all those copies of directories and files witch I don't realy see
happening in the near futer! I have a lot of space on both drives still
and have only 13 megs on one drive in the past.Do you see the extra
chrs cuased by line noise or is that just shown on my end?There are a
few *'s that arent supposed to be there!
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91127 29-DEC 19:46 OSK Applications
DMODE SETTINGS
From: VAXELF To: ALL
Does nayone know of a utility that will read a disk and print out to the
screen the paramaters under which it was formated.
I have some disks that I would like to backup, but I get a "Format not
the same" error when I do.
Thanks in advance,
John D.
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91129 29-DEC 23:09 System Modules (6809)
RE: printers (Re: Msg 91031)
From: DSRTFOX To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)
Tim, which laser did you buy? Okidata???
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91130 29-DEC 23:14 Programmers Den
RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91038)
From: DSRTFOX To: DBREEDING (NR)
David, I don't think releaseing source is advisable either, especially since
it CAN cause headaches later. I should have said releasing source to the
general public!! Source should be made available to those who can properly
use and handle it. A notation in the docs that source is available from the
author upon request (at the authors discretion) should suffice. Not many
people are concerned about source anyway, and if they want to change soemthing
contacting the author would give notice of what was being attempted anyway.
(and by whom!)
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91131 29-DEC 23:16 Applications (6809)
RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91073)
From: DSRTFOX To: AJMLFCO (NR)
I'd like to see K-Windows zooming on a PowerPC!! I doubt that will ever happen
though! K-Windows was made as a concession to OS-9ers who wanted some CoCo
compatibility when the y went to a faster machine. So at least with K-W they
got to use most of their programming knowledge, which made it wewasi
easier to port things!
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91132 29-DEC 23:20 General Information
RE: CD-i (Re: Msg 91115)
From: DSRTFOX To: MREGC
I see your point. Panasonic is selling to kids and gamers, Phillips to
families. Panasonic is probably winning that one! Phillips should concentrate
on the game qualities and THEN hit education ... oh yeah, not only does it
play a mean "Mario" (or wahtever), but is has educational titles too"...
not the OTHER way around!!
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91133 29-DEC 23:29 General Information
RE: Install program (Re: Msg 91015)
From: DSRTFOX To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
Ted, you may have to have two different install procedures: one for single
drive and one for two+ drives. Actually, you could write the script righback
toithe drive you're installing from. Then you could just prompt to reinsert that
disk at the proper time. Alternatively, you have a "scratch disk" that is
inserted for the script to save to, then reinserted when necessary. Windows
and MS-DOS do that when installing in some cases. That would be the best
scenario (a scratch disk) for single drive machines, and would be useable
with multidrives also. It only has to be done once, so no big problem using
a "scratch" disk!!
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91134 29-DEC 23:33 General Information
New 360K drives!!
From: DSRTFOX To: ALL
I recently purchased a case of 10 brand new 360K drives (5.25" double sided).
I'm selling for
$15 each, post paid! Now's the time to get one, until gone!!
These are YE Data units made for IBM!!
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91136 29-DEC 23:58 General Information
RE: Monitor Headache (Re: Msg 91086)
From: CHARLESAM To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)
I understand what your saying about having a hybrid monitor. I just loosened
every connector iI could reach and reseated them. The monitor has been fine
now for 15 minutes or more which is longer then I've had for awhile. If it
stays on much longer, I'll figure I might be on to something. Then I'll
take all those connectors and lightly sand the males and spray some cleaner
into the females. Hope this is it. I already resoldered alot of joints but
that didn't help. Going on 20 minutes now and hoping.... Thanx Marty.
BTW, do you happen to know the model of an NEC Multisync monitor that
sync'ed low enuf to handle the Coco. Several people had mentioned such
an animal. Better yet if you could get me one. Price is not an issue, least
not a big issue, I do have limits. Still going... Be back soon to relay
my progress here. Again, thanx, and thanx to all the other parties that
left help messages for me concerning this problem. ... Charlie ...
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[36mMessage # 202 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Paul Fitch
[33mFrom : John Evans
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 Networking
[37mDate : 93/12/25 00:28:00[36m
-> There was a fella on the Coco Mailing list who just announced a beta
-> release of an TCP/IP port to OSk. He asked specifically if MM/1 owners
-> were interested.
Paul...
Thank you. The port would interest me.
My original question did not specify; I meant networking at the local
site. If I get a chance during the next few days, I'll have to look
into connecting my CoCo 3 to my MM/1. What I want to end up doing is
to connect all of my machines together (including Benchboard BBS). It
should be as exciting as a kid opening up gifts on Christmas morning
(it's presently 12:35 am on Dec. 25th). In my humble opinion....
...John
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[36m
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[36mMessage # 203 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Paul Fitch
[33mFrom : John Evans
[35mSubject : Re: GWindows and the MM/1
[37mDate : 93/12/25 17:12:00[36m
-> I have had my GWindows order with DELMAR since the OctoberFest. I plan
-> to keep it there until he either delivers the MM/1 port OR he decides
-> FEB 28th rolls around and he hasn`t had the required number of orders.
-> Call FHL and DELMAR. Get the true story yourselves, make a decision.
I wish to add that Ed has been around for as long as Frank (as far as
OSK) and is more consistent. If I decide to invest in either
GWindows port, it will be Ed's port without a doubt.
...John
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[36mMessage # 204 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : John Evans
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 93/12/25 17:18:00[36m
-> Just what is so hard about Maximus ??, I have heard others
-> comment on RiBBS being impossible and even OS9 so what level of
-> difficulty are we talking about ? As I see it I doubt that the
-> eventual OSK BBS will bear much resemblance to any previous system, I
-> would like it to be RiBBS like, of course, since that has been my
-> experiance.
Warren,
I think it has alot to do with who you talk with; everyone has opinions
about BBS Host software from the remote angle or the local angle or
both.
Personally, if there is a MSDOS BBS software to emulate on OSK, I
would like to see a TBBS-like host. Despite all of the bugs, I
really liked Greg's TCBBS (a TBBS clone for RSDOS) and wished he hadn't
moved on to the Amiga as he intended to port it to OS9LII.
Occasionally, I grow tired of being "behind the times" as far as BBS
software goes and start to toy with the prospect of going to a clone
and TBBS (or similar package). Then, the feeling passes. Thank
goodness!
...John
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[36mMessage # 205 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Tim Jones
[35mSubject : Re: Binkley for MM/1
[37mDate : 93/12/26 08:59:00[36m
> BINKMM1.LZH is 103,342 bytes and the Maximus C source I have is
> 533,983. The Maximus file name is MAX_102.LZH and both are freqable
> downloadable from my OSK TEL section.
The BINKMM1.lzh file made it though the OSN so I have that. I just have not
set up the MM/1 since I got back from St. Louis. I'm considering putting
Maximus on my PC so I'll have some idea how it should look. I'll look for the
source locally first. Thanks...
Tim
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[36mMessage # 213 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Bob Paddock
[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 93/12/30 07:01:00[36m
On Monday, December 27th, 1993 - Bob Paddock wrote:
BP> The UNIX XBBS might be a better placI can make it FREQ able from my
BP> system if yo
Bob,
Thank you for the offer, I will pass it on to the programmer
working on that part. He will let you know if he wants it.
-Warrem
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To : Paul Myles
[33mFrom : Clyde Price
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Software.
[37mDate : 93/12/30 11:56:00[36m
Paul,
Thanks for the tip on Ctrl-arrow/enter instead of the mouse.
I've never heard that before. Is this peculiar to OSK, or might this
work in other environments? I bought a trackball-keyboard for my clone
(which has suddenly forgotten how to look at the harddrive <Aarrgh!>),
and will be installing OS2 soon, and looking for command-line
character-based multitasking-aware programs that'll work in that
environment.
I'd really rather use OS-9, and will soon be replacing my 40
Meg drive with a 240 Meg drive on the MM/1. My primary needs are
telecommunications and text manipulation, and I've honestly never
developed any dexterity with pointer devices, so I'm really oriented to
the keyboard (U.S.Dvorak arrangement). I don't have a mouse or a
"windowing" program installed on the MM/1. I _hate_ mice. I _love_
command-prompts.
Your tip is going to be very valuable in my use of OSK.
--Clyde
...Cover your ASCII...
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To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Don Strunk
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 93/12/31 08:15:00
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Warren;
I was wondering what types of programs are there for the MM/1 or OSK
that I could use for doing my business acconts on. At present I use
DYNACALC; is there an equivalent to that in OSK? also I use the program
PORDER for doing some of my billing.
What is there in OSK that will do these things and/or what do they
cost to get.
I would consider going to OSK but I need to know what programs are
there to use. I have looked at some OSK file lists but didn't see
anything that I recognized.
Don
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/03 16:48:43
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On Friday, December 31st, 1993 - Don Strunk wrote:
DS> I was wondering what types of programs are there for the MM/1 or OSK
DS> that I could use for doing my business acconts on. At present I use
DS> DYNACALC; is there an equivalent to that in OSK? also I use the
DS> program PORDER for doing some of my billing.
DS> What is there in OSK that will do these things and/or what do they
DS> cost to get.
DS> I would consider going to OSK but I need to know what programs are
DS> there to use. I have looked at some OSK file lists but didn't see
DS> anything that I recognized.
Don,
For the MM/1 and any OSK machine is a spreadsheet program ported
over from unix. It is public domain and does everthing Dynacalc does
plus less restrictions on columns and rows. I am not very familiar with
any business programs available however maybe Mark Griffith has
something he uses for his business. I will ask around. For that matter
you can configure some text files for VED and use for billing purporses.
I use VED's Vmail for a mailing list that is very handy. There is also
a database program named Datawindows that is quite good. I believe
there is a complete business series of programs that Delmar may have for
OSK. These should run on the MM/1.
I recall seeing the Porder program, it was basic09 but could be
ported over to the MM/1 easy if source available.
There is renewed interest in the MM/1 since Blackhawk has taken
over and I can take orders again. You should download my ordersoft.txt
and orderhard.txt or freq same. I have the Ved software for the MM/1
machines. (VED is a very good Word Processor).
I cant quote prices but prices are available in my orderxxx.txt files.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Mark Wittkoski
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/01 21:49:00
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-> I have just obtained the C source for the Maximus BBS system,
-> MAXIMUS V1.02. It is somewhat dated but will provide a good basis for
-> an OSK BBS to use with BINKLEY. It is well commented and one OS/2 user
It may be a wise choice to try and locate Maximus V2.00 source code. Why
start out behind. V2.00 has been out for a while, the source it probally
on the support BBS.
Mark
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/04 08:50:48
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On Saturday, January 1st, 1994 - Mark Wittkoski wrote:
MW> It may be a wise choice to try and locate Maximus V2.00 source code.
MW> Why start out behind. V2.00 has been out for a while, the source it
MW> probally on the support BBS.
Mark,
Thanks for the hint on the source for latest Maximus. However at
this time I am just gathering together several differant BBS sources
and utility sources and will put all together in a disk set for aspiring
C and Basic programmers to draw from. It is looking like the OSK BBS
will be an new BBS with features of several successfull existing
systems. I was chatting with John A Donaldson yesterday about the port
work he is doing and draw from his comments. The port of Binkley he did
is evident of the reason for a total new rewrite, it is 150K plus in
size and has over half of it commented out so that when loaded it is
only taking up 75k mem. space. This source covers MS Dos, Unix, and
other s such as Atari so you can see it has lots of excess unneeded
code.
I am wondering what your interest in OSK is since last I heard you
were busy in school and no time to run RiBBS anymore. Maybe I can
interest you in a nice new MM/1 system ???
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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[33mFrom : Raymond Feist
[35mSubject : Programmers
[37mDate : 94/01/04 18:11:31[36m
I'm posting this as a favor to a friend, so please don't reply to me,
but take note of the addresses below.
A friend has asked me to put out the world for OS9 Programmers who might
be interested in bidding a job. As I understand the project, the
company she represents is looking to develop 3 space modeling to help
consumers, for mall navigation, model housing developments, etc. and
needs someone to build the user interface and that interface needs to be
done in OS9. More than this I do not know, as she is under an NDA.
Interested parties should contact Janet Gunn at 703-506-4778 during
normal business hours EST, or via e-mail at j.gunn@cap.gwu.edu.
The company is in the Washington DC area, but the programmers need not
be local, as they plan on doing most of the work via telecommunications.
Thanks.
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To : Don Strunk
[33mFrom : Colin Mckay
[35mSubject : OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/04 18:48:00[36m
I don't know, off hand, of any OSK software for doing accounting or billing.
There is a good freeware spreadsheet program, called SC. This is a port of the
Unix SC program.
It is available for downloading from Delphi, as well as various other places.
The file is 168586 bytes long.
The file, along with OSK versions of Rogue (the game) and ISpell (spelling
checker) are available on a $5.00 freeware disk from me if you are interested,
and have no other way to get them.
The ports were done by Ken Scales (who wrote SCSI47 for the CoCo.)
TTYL. Colin.
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To : Don Strunk
[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/08 08:44:10
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Don,
While I had my modem set at locked baud with RiBBS at 9600 baud you
polled me for my orderhard.txt ordersoft.txt and my Files list.
Unfortunantly with locked baud my system wont send in 1k blocks thus the
transfer failed. Additionally when RiBBS fails in something like that
the xxxxxxx.req file on your end is deleted (it was sent ok) and on my
end RiBBS forgets what it was supposed to send.
Normally I run with my modem set to have RiBBS do the autobaud so
please try again. I tried to find your BBS tel. number but no luck so
far. If I find it I will freq the files out to you.
-Warren Hrach, RiBBS beta sysop, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Clyde Price
[35mSubject : Re: OSK manuals
[37mDate : 94/01/07 18:58:00[36m
Warren,
I didn't get an OSK manual with my MM/1, and would like to
obtain one for the version of OS-9/68K that I'm running.
I'm
Clyde Price 404/761-2327
P.O.Box 667, Red Oak, Ga 30272-0667 USA.
My "shipping" or street address is likely to change soon, so
I'm not posting it.
Thanks for doing the legwork for us on this!
--Clyde
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[33mFrom : Don Strunk
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/08 06:34:00
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Thanks for the info on programs available (business programs) for OSK. I
will feaq these files and look from there. I have noticed on DELPHI that
most all traffic in the forum is OSK.
Don
Oh!! What about RIBBS for OSK? would that be BINKLEY or something else.
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[33mFrom : Don Strunk
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/08 07:35:00[36m
On Tuesday, January 4th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> I don't know, off hand, of any OSK software for doing accounting or
CM> billing.
CM> There is a good freeware spreadsheet program, called SC. This is a
Thanks Colin;
I will look at these the next time I am on delphi. I think you are the
one that has the - patch09 disk - right? I am interested in that and I
am also interested in version 2 of SCSISYS. Could you send me a copy of
your catalog? thanks.
Don Strunk , PO box 1066, Sagle, ID 83860
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/10 09:37:24
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On Saturday, January 8th, 1994 - Don Strunk wrote:
DS> OSK. I will feaq these files and look from there. I have noticed on
DS> DELPHI that most all traffic in the forum is OSK.
DS> Oh!! What about RIBBS for OSK? would that be BINKLEY or something
DS> else.
Don,
As I noted in msg yesterday, your freq failed due to the way I had
my modem configured. Please try again.
For OSK I have a port of Binkley (dumb term mode only at present)
done by John A Donaldson. He is working on it so that it can be used
with a std type of BBS to make a package that will handle Fido and other
network mail and also allow regular BBS for users. This is why I am
looking for BBS sources in C and basic09. So far Ron Bihler and Charles
West have aggreed to release RiBBS for doing the port but agreeing and
providing are two differant things. I do have Maximus source and
getting Mike Guzzis BBS source for programmers to draw from.
-Warren Hrach, RiBBS beta sysop, MM/1 Sales Rep. Group OSK/BINK/KBBS
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To : Malcolm Cleveland
[33mFrom : Mike Fisher
[35mSubject : Re Cumana OSK v.2.3
[37mDate : 94/01/08 07:04:00[36m
Hi Malcolm - Sorry this took so long , the address of the man who
bought the Cumana OSK v 2.3 recently ( received around Dec 22cnd),
is PAULSENIURA@DELPHI.COM so you should be able to contact him there.
He would also be glad to hear from anyone else using Cumana OSK on the
Atari ST.You can also mail me if you wish on INTERNET as
os9mikef@gkcl.ists.ca
Bye for now,
Mike Fisher
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[33mFrom : Colin Mckay
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/10 16:54:00
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DS> one that has the - patch09 disk
Nope, I don't carry that.
Anyways, I've added your name to my mailing list. I'll be doing a mass mailing
in a couple of days, so the catalogue will go out then.
TTYL. Colin.
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : BGFX
[37mDate : 94/01/13 10:12:44[36m
David,
The BGFX demos dont work and cause crashes with windio48. Has
Kevin D. made so many changes between windio30 and windio48 that this is
the problem. I tried windio32 and get same crashes.
I do know that the old 'cls' wont work anymore so what can we do to
fix that ? Any help appreciated since the BGFX is sold commercially it
must be supported by the Author or we have to give customers their money
back.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/13 10:19:56
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On Monday, January 10th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> Anyways, I've added your name to my mailing list. I'll be doing a
CM> mass mailing
CM> in a couple of days, so the catalogue will go out then.
Colin,
How about adding me to your mailing list ?
Warren Hrach
4369 Newport Ave.
San Diego, CA 92107 (USA)
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : test
[37mDate : 94/01/15 08:03:38[36m
Just a test msg for the moderator to respond to.
-WH
PS Yes I know, I am the moderator.
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[33mFrom : Tim Jones
[35mSubject : is this thing on?
[37mDate : 94/01/13 07:06:00
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I was just wondering if this echo was broken or is there absolutly NOTHING
going on in the MM/1 (or OSK) world these days?
Tim
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: is this thing on?
[37mDate : 94/01/16 07:47:43
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On Thursday, January 13th, 1994 - Tim Jones wrote:
TJ> I was just wondering if this echo was broken or is there absolutly
TJ> NOTHING going on in the MM/1 (or OSK) world these days?
Tim,
I think the lack of traffic was due to the holidays. There is
things happening for instance;
1. Blackhawk is proceeding with processing of new systems orders.
2. The M69340 CPU upgrade is a real boost in performance, I would
venture an estimate that it is more significant than the 6309 and
Nitros9 upgrade to the CoCo.
3. A pop your own 9meg upgrade has been done by George Hine and he is
going to provide a text file on how to do it.
4. Last but not least is the Group OSK/BINK/KBBS formation. This is
the group that will program and test a OSK BBS that will use the
Binkley port that John A Donaldson is working on.
I have several sources available of Maximus BBS, Craig Crosses Uedit
and related utilities, Mike Guzzi's ApBBS complete source to draw
from. Just let me know and send blank disks for copies of all this
along with $3.00 for postage. 3 3.5" 1.4 meg disks should handle for
now.
I am sure the other sources of commercial programs have not been sitting
on there hands either. I hope they will post some info here.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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To : Clyde Price
[33mFrom : Paul Myles
[35mSubject : Arrow keys
[37mDate : 94/01/03 16:29:00[36m
CP> Thanks for the tip on Ctrl-arrow/enter instead of the mouse.
CP> I've never heard that before. Is this peculiar to OSK, or might this
Clyde,
I think I read it in a file or message base somewhere. Which is how I
pick up most of my tips from. There are a lot of people on here that could
tell you a whole lot of stuff about the MM/1. I'm just getting started with
the MM/1 myself. So I don't have to much to offer to begin with. But I try.
I save messages, write myself notes(unorganized), and try to track down the
information files that are out there.
Paul Myles
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[33mFrom : Colin Mckay
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/16 21:46:00[36m
Warren,
You're already on my mailing list. Essentially anybody who posted their
address either here, or on the Internet, (ie in a public forum), is on the
list. In your case, since you purchased OSTerm 68K, you are on the list as
well.
BTW, Ken and I decided that 10pm tonight is the last time for software changes
to OSTerm 68K v2.1. I'll incorporate the final changes in the manual, and
print them off in the next couple of days, and everybody with beta copies,
such as yourself, will have the package, complete with a printed manual.
TTYL. Colin.
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[35mSubject : Re: test
[37mDate : 94/01/17 08:42:00[36m
OK consider you answered yourself.
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[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/18 07:41:00[36m
Colin,
Thanks for keeping me on your mailing list. BTW it is allowed to
post a listing of what items you do have for sale as a service to MM/1
Users. Just so long as you do not quote prices.
-Warren Hrach, MM1_TECH Moderator.
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To : Paul Fitch
[33mFrom : Clyde Price
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
[37mDate : 94/01/11 13:26:00[36m
Paul,
I'm a non-programmer very interested in exploring Internet and
in eventually networking OS-9 machines together smoothly.
I'd really like to hear about any developments in TCP/IP and
other such software for the OSK environment.
One of the drawbacks in the attempted (and failed) port of the
Waffle BBS to OSK was the lack of the ancillary uucp programs in the
OSK environment which usually come packaged with the Un*x operating
system(s). If anybody can fly an MM/1 as a realtime terminal on
Internet, and/or participate in a store-and-forward Usenet/uucp
network, I really _need_ to hear about it.
Thanks for the encouraging report.
--Clyde 76616.3452@compuserve.com
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To : John Evans
[33mFrom : Clyde Price
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/11 13:38:00[36m
John,
I agree with your desire for a TBBS-like program, especially if
it can include eventually a TDBS-like database support.
I feel like a voice crying out in the wilderness continuing to
ask for at least the option of an ASCII-interface and optional
non-graphics and non-ANSI support.
The ability to specify display-screen width and the extreem
configurability of TBBS has kept my admiration and appreciation ever
since I started BBSing about 6 years ago. I just never got around to
_buying_ the program...
Our environment needs both Fido support and Usenet/Internet
capability, and it would be great if we could have that in the same BBS
package. A TBBS-type interface would top it off perfectly, IMnsHO.
--Clyde
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To : Bob Paddock
[33mFrom : Clyde Price
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/11 13:52:00[36m
About 3 years ago a programmer who I had working on a port of
Waffle set up the Unix BBS on one of the systems he was tinkering on.
It could be his lack of experience in that area, but it really didn't
work well (at least in that incarnation).
The Waffle BBS for Unix employed gobs of Unix-specific system
calls, and at that point we did not have the appropriate library to
compensate for that. Waffle causes culture-shock for folks who're
already used to BBSing in the clone world, but it provides the
possibility of an ASCII-based BBS interface to be a private Usenet
newsgroup reader/responder and/or a call-in BBS and/or a leaf or node
system in a store-and-forward uucp-type network.
Somehow, Tom Dell quit sending me updates on my registered
version of the UNIX (source-code) version. I'd _love_ to contract with
another OSK programmer (for $peanuts) to attempt the port again, and
_document_carefully_ the modifications to the code, since Mr.Dell won't
allow distribution of the resulting binaries.
I always thought Waffle was a strange program, but it does the
job, and if you want to start out with a program that works on other
boxes, this one works pretty well. We'd also need _code_ for the
ancillary uucp-family of programs.
(The lack of the "other" programs has, I think, been the main
reason why nobody else has attempted this. Any source-code bird-dogs
out there want to point to sources for the sources?)
--Clyde
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[36mMessage # 1217 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Don Strunk
[35mSubject : Re: OSK/BINK/KBBS group
[37mDate : 94/01/18 23:06:00[36m
Thanks for the info on my bad connect I will try to freq the files
again.
Don
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Public Message
[36mMessage # 1234 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Clyde Price
[33mFrom : John A Donaldson
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
[37mDate : 94/01/20 12:11:00
[32mNext Reply is Message [33m1241[36m
Clyde,
A FULL UUCP & MAIL package is about to be released for OSK and the
MM/1. There has been much discussion about UUCP, OSK, & the MM/1 over on
DELPHI.
John A. Donaldson
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[36m
Public Message
[36mMessage # 1241 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : John A Donaldson
[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
[37mDate : 94/01/21 13:30:05
[32mPrevious Reply is Message [33m1234 [36m
On Thursday, January 20th, 1994 - John A Donaldson wrote:
JA> A FULL UUCP & MAIL package is about to be released for OSK and the
JA> MM/1. There has been much discussion about UUCP, OSK, & the MM/1 over
JA> on DELPHI.
John,
Is this your port of Binkley or someone elses work ? If someone
elses then will it do all the differant mail networks like Binkley ?
See my next msg. announcing the available sources for an OSK BBS.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep. Group OSK/BINK/KBBS
PS I recall several persons were working on a FAX program for OSK
and in particular Joel Hegberg. Has anything been released in this area
lately ?
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[36m
Public Message
[36mMessage # 1242 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : All
[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : KBBS
[37mDate : 94/01/21 13:36:28[36m
*** Announcement ***
I have the sources for the OS9 APBBS from Mike Guzzi, Maximus 102 C,
Craig Crosses OS9 utilities for RiBBS and a copy of Binkley from John A.
Donaldson all archived and fitting on one 1.4 meg 3.5" floppy disk.
Anyone interested in working on part or all of the OSK BBS let me know,
send me a blank 3.5" floppy and $3.00 for shipping and I will put this
all together for them.
I am still waiting for the source for RiBBS but may not need it if
what is included is sufficient.
Lets put K B B S on the map !!!
Send to :
Warren Hrach
4369 Newport Ave.
San Diego, CA 92107 (USA)
-Warren Hrach, Group OSK/BINK/KBBS
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[36m
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[36mMessage # 1278 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Warren Hrach
[33mFrom : Colin Mckay
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/20 12:39:00
[32mNext Reply is Message [33m1285[36m
WH> post a listing of what items you do have for sale
WH> as long as you don't quote prices
But if somebody else states a price, am I allowed to correct them with
the real price?
Actually, the best way seems to be to just get an address, and send them a
catalogue. I just mailed out around 100, to people who posted their addresses
here (Fido) and on Internet within the past three months.
Hopefully that will elicit some responses. (ie sales!)
TTYL. Colin.
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[36m
Public Message
[36mMessage # 1285 *MM1 TECH Echo*[32m
To : Colin Mckay
[33mFrom : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
[37mDate : 94/01/21 15:33:16
[32mPrevious Reply is Message [33m1278 [36m
On Thursday, January 20th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
WH> post a listing of what items you do have for sale
WH> as long as you don't quote prices
CM> But if somebody else states a price, am I allowed to correct them with
CM> the real price?
CM> Actually, the best way seems to be to just get an address, and send
CM> them a catalogue. I just mailed out around 100, to people who posted
CM> their addresses here (Fido) and on Internet within the past three
CM> months.
CM> Hopefully that will elicit some responses. (ie sales!)
Colin,
As moderator it is up to me to enforce the Fido rule of no
commercial sales. So if you were to correct an error that someone else
made in just posting info I beleive it would be permitted, at least I
would allow it. But if you were to quote and then a customer answered
and accepted an offer using the Fido msg base then that would be a
violation.
I can allow posting a listing of items for sale with prices if it
is a first time offer but should be clarified with a disclaimer that a
person wishing to purchase anything should contact you direcrtly by
voice or mail to confirm the price and shipping costs. Of course there
is nothing wrong with a person posting his tel. number and/or mail
address for you to contact him reguarding a sale. BTW what is the
Internet policy on commercial sales. ?
-Warren Hrach, MM1_TECH Moderator
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There have been various ports of UUCP-like programs to OS-9/6809 and to
OS-9/68000. Boisy Pitre, I think, is going to release one shortly that from
what I hear should be pretty good.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
* Origin: Da Bear's Cave (1:290/6)
Public Message
Message # 1346 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
Date : 94/01/22 19:06:00
WH> What is the Internet policy on commercial sales
I think it is similar to Fido, but I really haven't seen anything in
writing.
I have seen a couple of vendors, myself included, post messages with
prices. It doesn't happen very often though. To the best of my knowledge,
there have been no complaints/flack as a result of this.
TTYL. Colin.
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9
JANUARY===================<<< OCN NETNEWS >>>=======================1994
************************************************************************
This Newsletter is posted as a service of the OS-9 Community Network
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
SUBMISSIONS:
We invite every member of the OS-9 Community to offer up any information
that may be of interest to the members of this echo. Any article on any
related OS-9 subject will be seriously considered for inclusion in this
monthly posting.
Send your articles via Fido NET Mail to Rodger Alexander,(1:301/3401).
You may also E-Mail via Internet to (ralexander@nikiti.bham.wednet.edu).
We offer no great reward ($$$),for posted articles other then the fame
and praise you receive from your OS-9 colleagues, especially me.
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MICROWARE GOES HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH MICROSOFT
A recent article in the Wall Street Journal featured an almost
unbelievable account of MICROWARE going up against MICROSOFT.......
and winning!!
The aritlce explained that Microware has just contracted with Bell
Atlantic Corp., the regional Bell company. Bell plans to distribute
an interactive service to 10 million households by the end of the
century. Bell has already placed orders for TV set-top boxes from
three different suppliers and all of these boxes run OS/9 software.
In the mean time, MICROSOFT is investing over $100 million a year and
has allied with Intel and General Instrument Corp to develop their own
TV set-top boxes.
I think the key words here are MICROWARE and Atlantic Corp are planning
to `distribute', while MICROSOFT and friends are busy `developing'.
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Also reported in the article was a head-to-head test between OS/9 and a
prototype from MICROSOFT called modular Windows. OS/9 came out on top.
MICROSOFT's Chairman, Bill Gates was reported to have said that "The
early interactive services trials will be disappointing because we
haven't made enough progress in user interfaces and the richness of
services delivered".
An interesting account by MICROWARE's founder, Kenneth Kaplan mentioned
that MICROSOFT tried to buy Microware in 1986. "MICROSOFT began trading
publicly on the over-the-counter market." According to Mr. Kaplan, "Mr.
Gates saw that Microware was chosen as the operating system for the
Philips-Sony CD-I machine and he wanted into that market badly" rather
than design a new operating system. Mr. Gates figured it made more
sense to buy Microware.
There was a cautionary note in the article that the Bell Atlantic phone
company could change its suppliers, however it intends to provide the
current OS/9 operated set-top boxes to 50,000 homes by year's end plus
another million homes by 1995. With reported future plans for Bell
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Atlantic to acquire Tele-Communications Inc., 20 million more homes
could easily be added to the above figures.
THE NOVICE PROGAMMER
Like most beginners at C programming, I sometimes wonder
if such and such can be done. As with the following problem.
I very much liked the 'ON BREAK' call we have in Basic09. After
asking around with some of the C programmers in the Dallas area,
I was given a direction to start looking for the answer.
The 'sgstat.h' header contains a structure 'sgbuf' which
is designed to hold all the screen parameters. Declared in
this structure are 2 charector bytes, sg_kbich and sg_kbach,
that hold the values for 'tmode abort' and 'tmode quit',
respectivily. By doing a 'tmode' on the hardware window you
will find that 'abort' contains the value 03 and 'quit'
contains the value 05.
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One way to turn off the 'BREAK' key would be to access
this structure with pointers and change these bytes and
then write it back out, I found this to be cumbersome and
d
#include <stdio.h>
#include <os9.h>
#include <lowio.h>
#define ESCAPE '\x05' /* abort */
#define CTRL_BRK '\x08' /* quit */
/* use only to embed my name in executable code */
char *ego[] = {"On_Break - Dave Kelly, v0.0, 1993, public domain"};
/* buffer to store key board parameter */
char key_board_buffer[32];
main()
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{
char c;
Store_Keyboard_Parmeters(key_board_buffer); /* function call */
Off_Break_Key(); /* function call */
/* This is one way to impliment the testing of this */
/* routine. There are others but I will leave that */
/* to the programmers own exercises. */
while(c = tolower(getkey())) {
switch (c) {
case ESCAPE:
escmsg();
break;
case 'q':
On_Break_Key(key_board_buffer); /* function call */
exit(errno);
break;
default:
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break;
}
}
}
/* store key board parameters */
Store_Keyboard_Parmeters(key_board_buffer)
char key_board_buffer[32];
{
int i;
_gs_opt(STDIN, key_board_buffer);
}
/* Turn break key off */
Off_Break_Key()
{
/* temp storage for this function */
char buf[32];
_gs_opt(STDIN, buf); /* read the screen options */
/* as in most cases, to turn */
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/* something off, set it to zero */
buf[16] = '\x00'; /* sg_kbich nomally holds 'tmode abort=03' */
/* BREAK */
buf[17] = '\x00'; /* sg_kbach nomally holds 'tmode quit=05' */
/* CONTROL BREAK */
_ss_opt(STDIN, buf); /* write the screen options */
}
/* restore original key board parameters */
On_Break_Key(key_board_buffer)
char key_board_buffer[32];
{
_ss_opt(STDIN, key_board_buffer);
}
/* Tell user how to exit properly */
escmsg()
{
printf(" The proper escape key is the letter 'Q'!\n");
CurOn(STDOUT); /* For some reason I have not yet figured */
/* out, the cursor is turned off when you */
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/* press the break key. If you need the */
/* cursor, you must turn it back on. */
}
/* Returns a one key stroke value */
getkey()
{
char c;
return(read(STDIN, &c, 1) == 1) ? (unsigned) c : EOF;
}
Programming Note:
I have used function names and variables much longer that
the compiler will reconize to illustrate what each does.
While each is unique and will compile, you should shorten
them to conform with the 8 charector standard.
I hope this information helps someone.
_Dave Kelly
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<<<< SOLDER FEST >>>>
When was the last time your club had a 'Solder Fest'?
What in the (*&@!) Is a solderfest? You ask. OK, let me explain.
If your OS-9 or CoCo Club is like ours, each meeting consist of
demonstrations and discussions about our favorite machine or favorite
operating system, but major hardware projects are limited to one of
the members showing off what he/she has accomplished to their machine
to improve it's performance.
GREAT! Great for them but not for me!
How many CoCo/OS-9 users have envied those fellow club members who
have their machines neatly installed in a PC tower case. It looks so
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cool! But unless you have a great deal of experience in electronics
and electronic hardware construction, you don't dare attempt to install
your machine in a 'tower'. You just know that something will go wrong
and then you won't have any computer at all.
Solution......A SOLDERFEST!
A special day long meeting of hardware hackers and non hackers.
The expertise is there. The confidence is there.
And your computer will come out 'NEW and IMPROVED' and WORKING!
Can you imagine taking a Roto Tool and cutting your old multipak to
one half of it's original size. NO WAY!
How about installing a parallel port in your coco by soldering a 2nd
PIA (68B21) chip on top of the original PIA . HUH?
How about replacing the 6809 chip with the faster 6309 chip without
destroying the CoCo's motherboard. OUCH!
There are many hardware projects that most of us would like to have
but will probably do without because we don't have the expertise.
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Regular club meetings simply are not long enough and not really
the right environment to accomplish major hardware modifications to
one or more computers.
Our SOLDERFEST usually begins at 10 or 11 in the morning and goes
to about 8 in the evening. The number of participants is limited by
the number of hardware hackers available to help out. We found it
best to keep the numbers limited to two 'non-techs' for every 'tech'.
Things progress at a good pace with everyone busy.
At the club meetings we determine what projects are going to be
worked on and who is coming. It is the responsibility of the
hardware hackers (techies) to provide a parts list to those
individuals he/she will be working with at the 'FEST'.
MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
Date : 93/01/26 09:45:52
Previous Reply is Message 1241 Next Reply is Message 1409
Warren,
The UUCP port is seperate from BINKLEY. It is suppose to have not only
UUCP but routines to do USENET MAIL. That is setup the packets for
USENET and decode packets, Send Mail & Read Mail routines.
USENET is not the same as FIDO. USENET mail is Internet mail. I read
somewhere that someone was working on a bridge software to translate
FIDO mail into Internet USENET mail and the other way around.
John D
--- RiBBS v2.10
* Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343)
Public Message
Message # 1409 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
Date : 93/01/26 10:29:50
Previous Reply is Message 1408
On Tuesday, January 26th, 1993 - John A Donaldson wrote:
JA> USENET is not the same as FIDO. USENET mail is Internet mail. I read
JA> somewhere that someone was working on a bridge software to translate
JA> FIDO mail into Internet USENET mail and the other way around.
John,
At one time Erik Seilstat had an MS dos util that took the Internet,
Usenet newsgroup msg. to fido type. He used to send to me but no longer
is active since he got married. He also had an MM/1.
I think Tim Jones has an OS9 conversion program that does similar
but I doubt that it is 2 way. Neither one could send mail back to
Internet/usenet but recieved only.
-Warren
--- RiBBS v2.10 (Beta)
* Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343)
Public Message
Message # 1410 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Kterm bug
Date : 93/01/26 10:51:00
John,
I have tried using Kterm Ymodem batch upload and cannot get it to
work properly. What I did is to chd to my /r0 with several files in it.
Then I start kterm 'kterm /t3' and log onto my BBS over my null modem at
9600 baud. On the BBS I call up the upload function for ymodem batch.
I then have the kterm protocol already set to ymodem and click on the
file function. Selecting send it asks for a filename. If I enter only
one name it will send it but on the bbs it gets named 'no_name'. If I
enter 2 filenames it will skip the first one and send the second only.
I am familiar with how OSTERM does the batch send by calling up the
current dir and one can click on the various filenames to que up the
files to send. But Kterm only opens a window that you have to enter a
filename into. The kterm i have is edition #200 CRC 94D038.
BTW the xmodem1k works fine.
-Warren
--- RiBBS v2.10 (Beta)
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Public Message
Message # 1411 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : math module
Date : 93/01/26 11:02:38
Calvin Dodge has improved the math module's speed by 10-20 times. I
have for downloading in my OSK Programs file section as 'CALSMATH.LZH'
it is also freqable by the same name. I am also ticking it out to the
OS9CN Librarys for distribution.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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John,
You definitely have my attention about the full
Internet-uucp-TCP/IP package. _Where_ on Delphi is this happening?
I've been thinking about signing back up since I've gotten a toehold on
more predictable finances.
Is a newsreader a part of this package yet? (I'm responding
quickly after a quick scrolling look at your message.)
Thanks for the good news!
--Clyde
--- QuickBBS 2.76a
* Origin: ACS Inc. BBS 404-636-2991 (1:133/510)
Public Message
Message # 1485 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : David Graham
Subject : MM/1 Backplanes
Date : 94/01/28 15:10:24
In order to increase the number of available MM/1 systems at minimal
cost, I am offering $20 for any used minibus cards owned by MM/1 users
who did manage to get 8 megabyte backplanes. I can be contacted at
David M. Graham
PO Box 10552
Enid, OK 73706-0552
--- RiBBS v2.10
* Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343)
Public Message
Message # 1492 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John Evans
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
Date : 94/01/27 10:42:00
John,
Let me know when you are ready to put the check in the mail, and I will
put SCSI Sys in the mail to you at the same time.
TTYL. Colin.
--- Maximus-CBCS v1.02
* Origin: Micro80 Computer Club of Ottawa BBS (1:163/306)
Public Message
Message # 1510 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Malcolm Cleveland
Subject : Re: OSK Business Stuff
Date : 94/01/27 18:53:00
-> Actually, the best way seems to be to just get an address, and send
-> them a catalogue. I just mailed out around 100, to people who posted
-> their addresses here (Fido) and on Internet within the past three
-> months. Hopefully that will elicit some responses. (ie sales!)
I'll take a catalog!
Malcolm Cleveland
512 North Pine #2
Lansing MI 48933-1027
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Message # 1584 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Stephen Seneker
Subject : 68340
Date : 94/01/30 20:39:01
Next Reply is Message 1605
Warren, does the 68340 upgrade for the MM/1 have a sound driver yet?
Last I heard it didn't. Even if it doesn't I'd like to get one.
Any details?
--- RiBBS v2.10
* Origin: Ocean Beach BBS 619-224-4878 MM1 TECH moderator (1:202/343)
Public Message
Message # 1605 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Stephen Seneker
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: 68340
Date : 94/01/31 10:54:10
Previous Reply is Message 1584
On Sunday, January 30th, 1994 - Stephen Seneker wrote:
SS> Warren, does the 68340 upgrade for the MM/1 have a sound driver yet?
SS> Last I heard it didn't. Even if it doesn't I'd like to get one.
SS> Any details?
Stephen,
According to David Graham, Blackhawk Ent., he has someone
committed to redoing the sound driver for the M68340. I don't know when
it will be released however.
-Warren
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 1650 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Modem Speed
Date : 94/01/31 03:31:00
Next Reply is Message 1657
WH> And have you tried the Kterm demo I have at a link rate of 38,400 baud?
WH> -Warren
Warren,
I am using the Kterm with a Pratical Peripherals PM14400FXMT. I gets
pretty good speeds. When I call a good bbs system. The Dutchess is a good
one and over long distance Kterm shows about 1100-1150 bytes/sec. When I
call an older slower bbs(even local) I only get about 900 bps. That would be
using Y-Modem Batch. The DTE speed is set to 38,400 on /T3 port. DTE is at
14400.
Paul Myles
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* Origin: Zuul's Catacombs, Coraopolis PA (412) 264-9787 (1:129/164)
Public Message
Message # 1657 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Modem Speed
Date : 94/02/02 13:29:46
Previous Reply is Message 1650
On Monday, January 31st, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> I am using the Kterm with a Pratical Peripherals PM14400FXMT. I gets
PM> pretty good speeds. When I call a good bbs system. The Dutchess is a
PM> good one and over long distance Kterm shows about 1100-1150
PM> bytes/sec. When I call an older slower bbs(even local) I only get
PM> about 900 bps. That would be using Y-Modem Batch. The DTE speed is
PM> set to 38,400 on /T3 port. DTE is at 14400.
Paul,
Are you using V.42b error control or none ?
-Warren
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Public Message
Message # 1662 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : George Hine
Subject : Kterm
Date : 94/02/03 03:11:06
Next Reply is Message 1678
Dear John:
While using Kterm I opened a capture file, downloaded the Tech Echo,
and then closed the capture file. I proceded with a file download and
went to another window to read the just downloaded capture file while
Kterm was still running and found that the file was busy and remained so
until I terminated Kterm. Would it be possible to change the program to
unlock the capture file when it is closed instead of when the program is
terminated? Thanks, George
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Message # 1678 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Kterm
Date : 94/02/03 09:39:40
Previous Reply is Message 1662
On Thursday, February 3rd, 1994 - George Hine wrote:
GH> While using Kterm I opened a capture file, downloaded the Tech Echo,
GH> and then closed the capture file. I proceded with a file download and
GH> went to another window to read the just downloaded capture file while
GH> Kterm was still running and found that the file was busy and remained
GH> so until I terminated Kterm. Would it be possible to change the
GH> program to unlock the capture file when it is closed instead of when
GH> the program is terminated? Thanks, George
George,
I have tested this feature of Kterm both over my null modem and
over a Anchor 2400 modem. I have used the /t3 port for the null modem
and /t0 port for my Anchor modem. I find that I have no problems
listing the file in another window even with the capture file still
open (ALT C) Of course it lists with extra spacing and if I call Ved
and list the file I can set it up with real CR's and then the extra
spacing is gone.
This is after I close the capture buffer.
Now I have hardware handshaking set but doubt that is what the diff. is,
maybe it is your 68340 cpu ? I recall something about the 68340 UG
having new serial drivers for the rs232 ports, could this be it ??
BTW I recall you mentioned sending me your revised 8 Meg upgrade
documentiation file when you got it debugged. Can you still do this ??
-Warren
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 1777 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: Modem Speed
Date : 94/02/05 03:01:00
Next Reply is Message 1786
WH> Are you using V.42b error control or none ?
WH> -Warren
Warren,
I have the compression turned off. V.42 is still ON(MNP2-4). I think
this is right.
Paul Myles
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Public Message
Message # 1786 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Modem Speed
Date : 94/02/06 12:43:50
Previous Reply is Message 1777
On Saturday, February 5th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> I have the compression turned off. V.42 is still ON(MNP2-4). I think
PM> this is right.
Paul,
I have always stuck with V.42b but my ZyXEL will connect with
MNp1-4. I have mnp5 disabled on someone elses advice.
The biggest thing is the fact I just discovered that RiBBS and lock
baud will work fine, just so long as you disable flow control on the
modem. I am useing Aciadrv and its /t2 for my bbs along with Nitros9
and the ZyXEL set up with flow control off and lock baud on at 9600.
The problems with the hardware handshaking are gone and noone
connecting at 12, 24, 9600, 14,400 or 16,800 baud has one bit of char.
loose or up/downloading problem. Previous to this I had hardware
handshaking enabled and the RS232pak could not handle the interupts.
Now with it disabled no more dropped chars. Its great, I am very pleased
with my ZyXEL at this time.
So anyone that calls here and had to use v.32 in lieu of v.32b can
just call at v.32b no problem now.
-Warren, RiBBS beta sysop, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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Message # 1789 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Clyde Price
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
Date : 94/02/07 10:19:27
Previous Reply is Message 1478
This is all happening on the OS9 SIG. In the last few days
PALM - a UUCP File Utility
was released. I expect the full OSK UUCP package to be released anyday.
John A. DOnaldson
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Message # 1809 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: Kterm
Date : 94/02/05 23:14:00
Interesting, I'll take a look at that. Thanks for the report.
Which version are you testing? The one with or without 38K Baud??
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 1810 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/05 23:22:00
I just tried out what you discribed. ( read a file done from Capture
while downloading a file ). It works OK here.
Can you etell me what your system setup is and a little more detail on
what is happening. Do you get a system error msg. Are you starting KTERM
as a seperate process ( KTerm /t3 & ). Ect...ect...ect...
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 1811 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Internet News
Date : 94/02/05 23:33:00
for all of you that use Internet and use the OS9 Archive. It is moving.
Old Site: cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
New Site: chestnut.cs.wisc.edu
Starting: Feb 3, 1994
Ending: To be Announcted
I will post a msg here when the new site is up and running.
John A. Donaldson
OCN Internet Rep
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Public Message
Message # 1813 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Calvin Dodge
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : math all versions
Date : 94/02/07 17:17:25
Calvin,
Found a bug in your math module, all versions to date. Basic
doesn't like your modules and when loaded in it will say
4294962194 free when one hits enter after it is loaded. This also
screws up any source you load that has dimensions in it as any number is
10 digits long starting with the 429xxxxxxx. This is Basic V2.4.
Of course one can just merge the old math with basic so when called
the old one will load in but better if you can fix it.
-Warren
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Message # 1861 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : George Hine
Subject : RE: KTERM
Date : 94/02/08 05:38:00
John:
I am using the new version of Kterm with the 38400 baud mode
George
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Message # 1862 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : George Hine
Subject : KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/08 05:52:00
Dear John:
My system is a MM-1a (68340) running at 16 Mhz. The modem is a Zyxel
U-1496E which operates at a line speed of 9600 and a DTE-DCE of 38400
baud with Hardware Handshake on port T3. The problem was produced when
using ME (microEmacs) to read a closed capture file in another window
while Kterm was downloading a file. The record locking aparently preven-
ted ME from loading the file. ME hung with a loading file prompt. I
have tried to duplicate the conditions and so far have found that ME will
do the same thing (hang at the loading file) when the capture file has
not been closed. I have not yet duplicated the condition during file
download. If I come up with more information or if you think of something
else please let me know. Thanks , George
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Message # 1872 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/08 22:18:00
This msg is really to the person that sent me email about having trouble
using the YModem on KTerm Beta V2.0.
YModem on KTerm is NOT YMODEM BATCH. If you select just YMODEM, it works
correctly.
I need to look at the specs for YModemm, to see what the difference
is. If may be a control sequence that is sent tell the receive side how
many files is ready to send. In that case is should be easy to add
YMODEM BATCH.
Now anyone got a copy of the specs?????
John A. Donaldson
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Message # 1885 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/10 08:29:39
Previous Reply is Message 1872
On Tuesday, February 8th, 1994 - John A Donaldson wrote:
JA> This msg is really to the person that sent me email about having
JA> trouble using the YModem on KTerm Beta V2.0.
JA> YModem on KTerm is NOT YMODEM BATCH. If you select just YMODEM, it
JA> works correctly.
John,
It is I, Warren that noted the Ymodem in the protocol window is not
Ymodem batch. Since there exists a Xmodem/1k it would normally be safe
to assume the Ymodem is the batch type. Some time back Xmodem/1k was
erroneously assumed to be Ymodem so that is an old wives tale thing.
I don't have the specs for Ymodem but you may be able to glean the
operation from the source for xydown if you have that. I beleive it was
distributed with source. Although that will only be good for
downloading in Ymodem batch.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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Message # 1897 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : David Graham
Subject : Incor Screws UP MM/1 Production!
Date : 94/02/10 18:19:52
Flash!! Flash!! Flash!! Flash!! Flash!! Flash!! Flash!!
On November 8th, 1993, David McCain at Incor Systems Corporation of
114 Industrial Park Drive in Soddie-Daisy TN informed me that Incor was
in possession of 50 complete MM/1 systesm, which they would sell be
(to me) as customers purchased them on a cash in advance basis. On
January 6th, 1994, I sent them a cashiers check for the first I/O board.
Oh January 26th, I received from them an incomplete CPU card. When I
called to ask why, they told me it was sent to replace the I/O board
I ordered because they had NONE READY TO SELL. At this time, Incor
claims to have 60 or so I/O boards which are bare. They decline to
finish them, even though they have been given evidence to confirm that
orders DO exist, including backorders from IMS which Paul K Ward
intends to purchase from me in order to complete his sales! Please
call 1-615-332-2119 and ask for David McCain.
Express to him your support for the MM/1 and encourage him to either
continue production, or make some arrangement to allow BlackHawk
Enterprises, Inc. to do so.
Without such support, the MM/1 WILL NOT GO ON!!! Please support us
now!!! THANKS!!!!
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Public Message
Message # 1907 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/09 22:03:00
George,
The file locking is standard operating procedure for OS9. The Capture
mode opens the file for write only. Thus if you attempt to open for
reading the same file, it will go into file locking.
The only other problem I have found was trying to use the YMODEM
download in a BATCH mode. The YModem in KTerm is NOT BATCH. I am looking
into what it will take to make it function in BATCH mode. Right now the
only difference between XModem and YModem is, with YModem you don't have
to enter a file name. It gets the filename from the host.
Also if you are downloading a text file and attempt to open the same
file from another window, it will also go into file locking or worst,
crash the download.
I have not had any problems opening a file with ME in another window
as long as it is not the file being captured or downloading.
Please keep me informed on any problem that you come across.
Regards,
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 1910 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : George Hine
Subject : 8MEG UPGRADE
Date : 94/02/10 06:25:00
Next Reply is Message 1921
Dear Warren:
I have done the 4 meg hack as directed for a computer with the 68340
accelerator board, as follows:
I used a 74AC32E and connected
Pin 1 to pin 16 of U1, This chip was replaced on upgrade to a
22V10
Pin 2 to bottom of board, hole at pin 21 of simm
Pin 3 to simm pin 21 on both simms
Pin 14 to Vcc
Pin 7 to gnd
Pins 4,5,9,10,12,13 to gnd
Pins 6,8,11 not connected
I installed 2 8megx8bit 60ns simms
I changed init file as follows:
Address Value Old New
$DF $20 $80 colored memory top of Sys. Ram
$A4 $32 $38 memory size text 2 to 8 meg, this
is different than the 68070 init
mod which says 3 meg at add. $AA
I removed the jumper closest to the backplane and rebooted with 9 megs.
I used a small printed circuit board with holes and traces for a single
chip already present and soldered a socket to it. I removed the U1 chip and
soldered to the pins on the bottom of the board at U1 for ground, +5v (vcc)
and pin 1. The grounds and floats for the unused circuits on the 74AC32E were
made on the new circuit board. Notice that all connections were to empty
sockets, no soldering to the chips.
I removed the old SIMM's heated the two pins, sucked out the solder, and
then pushed them up and out. I bent the pin up the side of the connector
and soldered a wire to each and ran it to the new board. I soldered a wire
to the empty hole under pin 21 of one of the SIMM's and connected it to the
new board. I carefully checked for shorts and continuity and then installed
U1, the 74AC32E, and the new SIMMS. The pin 21 connectors can be placed in
the socket when the SIMM is installed and will be held in place by the
SIMM.
This procedure is based on Mark Griffiths work and is only for MM-1's
with the 68340 boards. It is very different from the modifications for a
68070 (original) MM-1 and will not work on those machines.
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Public Message
Message # 1921 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: 8MEG UPGRADE
Date : 94/02/11 09:09:17
Previous Reply is Message 1910
George,
I shall also make your upgrade text file a downloadable file in my
MM/1 Official file section. Thank you for sending and proving it out.
-Warren Hrach, MM/1 Sales Rep.
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Message # 1941 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/12 20:43:53
Previous Reply is Message 1813 Next Reply is Message 1986
On Monday, February 7th, 1994 - Warren Hrach wrote:
I'll load Basic and see if I get the same error. If I do then I will
track down the bug and vaporize it. If I don't find a bug I'll get back
to you.
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Public Message
Message # 1950 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Clyde Price
Subject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
Date : 94/02/10 09:53:00
John,
Pardon my denseness, but which "OS9 Sig" is this happening in?
I'm erratic about capturing (and reading) the OS9 Sig on
Compuserve, haven't really gotten involved on GEnie (which I'll
probably drop soon), and haven't gotten back on to Delphi yet, because
their records don't show that I actually did pay them off on my first
go-round. (tremendously annoying!) I'm going to persevere in getting
back on Delphi as CLYDEPRICE, especially since they've expanded their
Internet access, and I'll be trying to get the bugs out of my MM/1
system, or failing that, get my System IV back up and functional "on
the net", and I'm _eager_ to explore "cyberspace"!
Having "hosted" a Waffle (DOS) BBS with two techie gurus
actually running the system, I'm eager to learn whatever it takes to
get an OSK box functioning as a node in a store-and-forward uucp web,
and also occasionally (frequently!) navigating directly on Internet.
As a non-techie and non-programmer who's just trying to USE
this hardware/OS/software to DO what I want to do, I've experienced
some _wierd_ problems and tremendous frustrations, but this is the
operating system that makes the most sense of anything I've seen "out
there", and I'm stubbornly going to keep learning enough to USE it.
When you need a dunce-level beta tester, I'm right here.
--Clyde
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Public Message
Message # 1964 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/09 12:09:00
JA> I just tried out what you discribed. ( read a file done from Capture
JA> while downloading a file ). It works OK here.
John A.,
My capture works fine here. I do start mine as a seperate procs
Kterm & . The only 2 things is one When I try to u/l (Y-modem Batch) I have
to go back to the orginal window and hit enter, the name of the file pops up
and the u/l starts working. The other is when I use the dial directory to
place a call to a bbs I have to wait for a connection and mouse up to the
menu bar and pick 38,400 baud, else all woud be garbage. The connection
works fine if made from the terminal screen using ADT#######. BTW: I used
DED to change the t0 to t3.
Paul Myles
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Message # 1965 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : CalsMath
Date : 94/02/09 12:17:00
Next Reply is Message 1988
Warren,
I d/l the new math module the other night from your bbs called
CALSMATH.LZH. It is a lot faster. I have this one program from the EFFO_PD#
called EPHEM(Astromany plotter) wht use to take about 7 seconds to update
the planets positions now just takes 1 second. Huge difference. That was
letting it go on a free run mode. I didn't time the updates on the main data
screens. BTW: I let the Monte.Carlo run for 20 minutes on my system before
aborting it using the math ed#13 module.
Paul Myles
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 1966 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/11 22:04:00
Next Reply is Message 1989
Warren,
In the last week or so, I received a FIDO mmsg from a person that
tried to use the YModem to do a batch type download and it failed.
I think I have xydown, so I'll take a look at it. I'm getting closer
in getting both the "shell" window and ZMODEM receive to work. Zmodem
transmit works great.
I am leaving for Salem, Va. sunday and will be gone all week. BTW, I
tried your bbs today (2-11-93) at noon CST and your modem answered but
the bbs did not come up. Guess you know by now.
John D.
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Public Message
Message # 1968 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Randy Wilson
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/12 22:58:45
Previous Reply is Message 1942
On Saturday, February 12th, 1994 - Randy Wilson wrote:
RW> I too have seen this problem with OSK Basic. It appears the basic
RW> integers are getting printed based on a signed 32 bit number. I would
RW> suspect the problem is actually in the integer to ascii translation.
You are quite right. One little change to T$LtoA did the job.
"Sorry about that, Chief!"
I may have another trick or two up my sleeve - if so, you'll hear about
it here! Also, I'm glad to hear that someone finds this useful.
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Public Message
Message # 1986 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Calvin Dodge
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/13 09:11:27
Previous Reply is Message 1941
On Saturday, February 12th, 1994 - Calvin Dodge wrote:
CD> I'll load Basic and see if I get the same error. If I do then I will
CD> track down the bug and vaporize it. If I don't find a bug I'll get
CD> back to you.
Calvin,
Sorry to say even if you feel you fixed it with the cal6math.lzh it
isnt working at all with basic. Calling either math or math.340 gives a
**** Can't install trap handler ****
**** math ****
Error 000:214
So I have no idea with this error but I have seen it before.
-Warren
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Message # 1987 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Elise Desaulniers
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Coucou!
Date : 94/02/13 09:27:08
Previous Reply is Message 1949
This looks like it ended up in the wrong echo.
-Warren Hrach, MM1_TECH Echo Moderator
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Message # 1988 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: CalsMath
Date : 94/02/13 09:30:27
Previous Reply is Message 1965
Paul,
Be careful with this math module. It has a bug in working with
basic. Calvin is working on it.
-Warren
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Message # 1989 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/13 09:31:58
Previous Reply is Message 1966
On Friday, February 11th, 1994 - John A Donaldson wrote:
JA> In the last week or so, I received a FIDO mmsg from a person that
JA> tried to use the YModem to do a batch type download and it failed.
JA> I think I have xydown, so I'll take a look at it. I'm getting closer
JA> in getting both the "shell" window and ZMODEM receive to work. Zmodem
JA> transmit works great.
JA> I am leaving for Salem, Va. sunday and will be gone all week. BTW, I
JA> tried your bbs today (2-11-93) at noon CST and your modem answered but
JA> the bbs did not come up. Guess you know by now.
John,
That was I complaining about the Ymodem batch mixup but thought I
replied about it before.
I don't recall seeing any failed connects on Friday. If it happens
again it is best to reinitiate the call in a few minutes. There is a
brief perioud (less than a second) that when RiBBS is finished with one
call it resets the modem but the BBS is not quite ready and calls that
hit that time slot will get bounced. Maybe when we get KBBS up and
running that can be eliminated in the Binkley port (hint, hint !)
-Warren
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Public Message
Message # 1995 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Clyde Price
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: MM/1 TCP/IP
Date : 94/02/12 17:16:00
Clyde,
The OS9 Sig on DELPHI is where the OSK (MM/1) UUCP activity is at. As
of now PALM V2.0 is on the database ready to be downloaded. The FULL
UUCP is just about ready. It is in beta testing.
I too am looking forward to the release of the UUCP. I have access to
a UNIX system with Internet and UUCP.
John D.
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Public Message
Message # 1996 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/12 17:19:00
YModem on KTerm does not have batch mode YET. I just got docs on X &
Ymodem protocols.
Just the other day I noticed that I had put 38400 in the main baud
rate section but NOT in the PHONE BOOK section. I modified it and now
you can select 300 - 38400 in the phone book.
Thanks for the report.
John D.
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Public Message
Message # 2010 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/12 02:10:00
JA> The only other problem I have found was trying to use the YMODEM
JA> download in a BATCH mode. The YModem in KTerm is NOT BATCH. I am looking
John A.,
I do successful d/l Y-modem batch all the time(as long the bbs gives me
1024 byte blocks(one bbs don't)).
Paul Myles
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Message # 2013 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/14 03:29:43
Previous Reply is Message 1862
Hmmm...I think you're right; emacs is blocking on an EOF lock, because
KTerm hasn't closed the capture file.
Speaking of the 68340...how fast is your RAM? I've had some troubles
that look like they're attributable to my 80 ns RAM not being able to
keep up at 16 - epsilon MHz, because I've slowed the CPU down to 15 MHz,
and the problems have gone away.
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Message # 2049 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/16 02:07:42
Previous Reply is Message 1986 Next Reply is Message 2064
On Sunday, February 13th, 1994 - Warren Hrach wrote:
WH> Calvin,
WH> Sorry to say even if you feel you fixed it with the cal6math.lzh it
WH> isnt working at all with basic. Calling either math or math.340
WH> gives a **** Can't install trap handler ****
WH> **** math ****
WH> Error 000:214
You need to put math in your cmds directory (probably /dd/cmds) with the
name of "math" and with the execute attribute set. (attr math -ex)
That should do it.
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Message # 2050 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All Osk Users
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : new math module
Date : 94/02/16 02:17:45
Folks, here is the latest version of the math module. If you downloaded
a previous version please replace it with this one (edition 1.6). The
previous versions had bugs in the long int to ascii and sin/cos
routines. These bugs are now dead.
I hope you find calsmath to be a time-saver!
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Message # 2070 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Calvin Dodge
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/15 11:11:00
Next Reply is Message 2078
CD> I'll load Basic and see if I get the same error. If I do then I will
CD> track down the bug and vaporize it. If I don't find a bug I'll get back
CD> to you.
Calvin,
You'll find it, it's there. I tried it after reading Warren's message.
Other than that It did make the calculations a lot faster. I tried it with
an astromany plotter program called EPHEM from the EFFO_PD# files. Using a
freerun mode for screen updating went from 7sec down to 1sec.
Paul Myles
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Message # 2071 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: CalsMath
Date : 94/02/15 11:16:00
Next Reply is Message 2079
Warren,
I still have the old math MATH.13 and his MATH.14 in my commands. Since
his doesn't stick I can just unlink it and load MATH.13.
Paul Myles
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Message # 2077 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/16 22:21:58
Previous Reply is Message 2064
On Wednesday, February 16th, 1994 - Warren Hrach wrote:
CD> You need to put math in your cmds directory (probably /dd/cmds) with
CD> the name of "math" and with the execute attribute set. (attr math
CD> -ex) That should do it.
WH> Calvin,
WH> As you know I was refering to the upload cal6math that bombed. I
WH> do know how to locate in cmds dir and set attributes. Also the
WH> copying as calmath to /dd/cmds/math is noted on my part. Nice docs
WH> now although naming them 'Announcement' is not usually how
WH> programmers include docs. Anyway, the Cal8math.lzh is working 100%
Sorry, I tend to assume the worst (plus I had not made the cal6math
connection). I'm new at the shareware game and so am not familiar with
documentation standards. I'll learn, though.
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Message # 2078 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/16 22:25:27
Previous Reply is Message 2070
On Tuesday, February 15th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
CD> I'll load Basic and see if I get the same error. If I do then I will
CD> track down the bug and vaporize it. If I don't find a bug I'll get
CD> back to you.
PM> Calvin,
PM> You'll find it, it's there. I tried it after reading Warren's message.
PM> Other than that It did make the calculations a lot faster. I tried it
PM> with an astromany plotter program called EPHEM from the EFFO_PD#
PM> files. Using a freerun mode for screen updating went from 7sec down
PM> to 1sec.
The bug has been fixed now (in edition 1.6). Gee, I'll have to download
EPHEM from chestnut.cs.wisc.edu and give it a try.
Once again, I'm glad to see someone who finds my math module to be
worthwhile.
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Public Message
Message # 2079 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: CalsMath
Date : 94/02/16 22:27:36
Previous Reply is Message 2071
On Tuesday, February 15th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> Warren,
PM> I still have the old math MATH.13 and his MATH.14 in my commands.
PM> Since his doesn't stick I can just unlink it and load MATH.13.
re the previous reply - use 1.6 (aka #16). It does work properly.
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Message # 2121 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : William Chapple
Subject : Monitor
Date : 94/02/19 11:41:04
Next Reply is Message 2241
Hi! I have a question for anyone who can give me an answer(g)!
I'm in need of a monitor for my mm/1 and would like to have the specs on
a NEC multisync 2A. I have no info on it and would like to know several
things like: Dot pitch and scan rates. Any info will help. Thanks.
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Message # 2169 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : James Jones
From : George Hine
Subject : RAM SPEED
Date : 94/02/18 05:54:00
Dear James:
I am using 60 ns Simm chips, I started out with 80 ns 1 meg. chips
and had the same problem that you described. I would load a disk file
and get a CRC error. With the 60 ns 4 meg simms I can run at 20 mhz ,but
will occasionaly get an error on a file copy, at 21 mhz the computer
will not boot. I have been using the 16.6 mhz speed as my default
setting and have had no problems. I would think a 70 ns Simm would be
the best to use if they are the priced less than the 60ns chips. I
don't think the memory chips are the problem with speeds in excess of
19 mhz.
George Hine
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Public Message
Message # 2196 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/18 22:51:00
Paul,
Thanks for that info. I just got back off a business trip to the east
coast. I also recently just got a copy of the protocals for X & Ymodem,
including BATCH mode.
John D.
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Message # 2197 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/18 22:53:00
Next Reply is Message 2207
Warren,
Back homme now. Mike Halland left me a msg on Delphi on how to make the
SHELL feature work in KTerm. Just as soon as I get it working, then I
can start to work on the next beta of OSKBINK. The next beta will fork a
process and run a user defined and supplied programm (BBS). Then I will
start on the rewrite of OSKBINK. I plan to try and get the curses
windowing feature to work. At work I have been playing with curses and
now understand it a lot better. Then all that will be needed to be doen
will be to get the mail routines running.
John D.
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Message # 2207 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/20 09:58:02
Previous Reply is Message 2197 Next Reply is Message 2234
John,
I already posted in the OS9 echo to you but rereading this reminded
me of the Kterm problems. As you know the Ybatch upload wont work but
the Ybatch download will, provided you dont hit enter when setting up on
a RiBBS system. Just enter in the names of files wanted and select
protocol, dont hit enter then but go to the Kterm files window and
select receive. And Viola it will batch download fine.
-Warren
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Public Message
Message # 2211 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Bruce Gerst
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math module
Date : 94/02/20 22:41:49
Previous Reply is Message 2144
On Saturday, February 19th, 1994 - Bruce Gerst wrote:
BG> Calvin,
BG> Tried out the mighty math module, the speed test was impressive!
BG> I loaded a game a friend of mine is writing for the CoCo (and MM/1)
BG> it has a SIN(angle) function in it and when angle was equal to zero,
BG> basic returned error #000:000 pointing to that line.
BG> I tried writing a simple PRINT SIN(0) and received the same error
BG> 99% of the time. (there was ONE time it worked I think) anyway I'm
BG> sure further investigation with the SIN section will reveal something.
BG> Keep up the good work!
I see what you mean. I'll take a look at it. Thanks
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Message # 2213 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Is my face red!
Date : 94/02/20 23:28:20
Ok folks - math 1.7 should be on Ocean Beach BBS soon. (I just uploaded
it). Sorry about that - I don't use Basic, and C doesn't check the
carry flag. (What's that, you say? Check the Microware docs? Whatever
for?) Oh well. Maybe the third time is the charm.
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Public Message
Message # 2231 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/21 09:43:39
Previous Reply is Message 1862
George,
yes, your correct. OS/9 will file lock in that case. I do know that ME
will try and load the whole file at one time, thus may be a quirk in ME
and not in other text editors. Have you tried to use the editor that is
supplied from MW ?? I wondering if it is ME related or system wide
related.
John D.
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Message # 2232 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/21 09:49:02
Previous Reply is Message 1964
Paul,
I think , I have already responed to this msg but want to add that you
can tell KTerm what port to use on the prompt line.
kterm /t3 &
I looked and noticed that I had missed adding 38400 baud to the dial
menu screen. It is now fixed. You can now select 38400 as the baud rate
and save it in the dail parameter.
John D.
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Message # 2234 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm YModem
Date : 94/02/21 09:55:05
Previous Reply is Message 2207
AHHH, now it is much more clear. I got the specs on XYmodem just before
I went to VA. . From it I should be able to see t it will take to do
BATCH UPLOAD. Also got a msg from Mike Haaland about doing the shell
mode. Included some code too. Great guy.
John D.
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Message # 2242 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : William Chapple
Subject : Re: Monitor
Date : 94/02/22 11:34:36
Previous Reply is Message 2241
Okay, thanks for checking into the NEC 3D, I will continue looking
whereever i can..
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Message # 2273 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Calvin Dodge
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/21 01:45:00
PM> Other than that It did make the calculations a lot faster. I tried it
PM> with an astromany plotter program called EPHEM from the EFFO_PD#
PM> files. Using a freerun mode for screen updating went from 7sec down
PM> to 1sec.
CD> The bug has been fixed now (in edition 1.6). Gee, I'll have to download
CD> EPHEM from chestnut.cs.wisc.edu and give it a try.
CD> Once again, I'm glad to see someone who finds my math module to be
Calvin,
I'll have to give Ocean Beach a call in the next few days to d/l it.
I can't remember right off hand which EFFO_PD# the EPHEM was in. There was
like 9 EFFO_pd on a local bbs here #0-8. I am hoping for this one local bbs
to get in his extra lines for the InterNet connection.
Paul Myles
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Public Message
Message # 2290 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Russ Magee
Subject : my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/21 00:38:00
Next Reply is Message 2293
hello all..
Sigh..yesterday, my MM/1's hard drive decided to stop letting me in.
Sysgo dies upon booting from floppy, stating "can't CHX to /h0/cmds" or
something similar, after printing "Error #246". OSK manuals say error #246
means "device not ready".
Is there any way I can convince the drive to let me in so I can at least
salvage some recent source code with dEd?
thanks in advance,
-Russ Magee
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Message # 2291 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/22 20:22:00
JA> I think , I have already responed to this msg but want to add that you
JA> can tell KTerm what port to use on the prompt line.
JA>
JA> kterm /t3 &
JA>
John,
I had used DED to change the default port within KTERM. This way I don't
have to mess with telling it to use /t3. It works. I used the search function
in DED to look for "/t" and changed it from there.
Paul Myles
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Message # 2293 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/24 08:25:42
Previous Reply is Message 2290
Russ,
Have you tried booting up with one of the original discs ? Looks
like you need to change your init module to stay on the floppy cmds
disc. Try the 3 meg boot disk, I recall that has a hard drive desc. on
it also.
-Warren
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Message # 2294 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : upload
Date : 94/02/24 08:28:48
John,
I got the compiled palm files no problem but when your system died
sending the other file and just locked up I had to disconnect at this
end. I think you were trying UCC.lzh or something.
-Warren
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Message # 2295 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Re: math all versions
Date : 94/02/24 22:11:24
Previous Reply is Message 2273
On Monday, February 21st, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> Calvin,
PM> I'll have to give Ocean Beach a call in the next few days to d/l it.
Thanks. I'll look for it on the board in a few days. BTW, math is now
up to v 1.7 (Critical only if you call it from Basic or any program
which checks the carry bit)
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Message # 2335 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/24 21:50:00
Paul,
The correct way is to add a enviroment varible in your startup file.
Just add TERMINAL_PORT /t3
Then reboot and from now on whenever you type "KTERM &" it will use
the enviromment varible as it's default port.
This is explained in the docs file on how to do this
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 2336 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/24 17:17:00
RM> yesterday, my MM/1's hard drive decided to stop letting me in
Don't you just HATE that?
Try booting using the old stock MM/1 boot disks. At that point, you'll
have to load the hard drive driver and descriptor from floppy as well.
Don't worry about the settings in the descriptor, as they will be read
from the hard drive the first time it is read.
You'll need rbvccs (I think), scsi_mm1d, and an h0 or hd descriptor.
After that, you just need to do a dir /hd. If it works, you should be
able to recover stuff from the drive. If not, you're probably SOL.
TTYL. Colin.
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Public Message
Message # 2340 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: RAM SPEED
Date : 94/02/26 06:42:25
Previous Reply is Message 2169
Thanks! I've talked a bit to Kevin Pease, and I think that when funds
allow I'll be looking for some faster RAM.
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Message # 2360 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/25 02:07:00
RM> Sigh..yesterday, my MM/1's hard drive decided to stop letting me in.
RM> Sysgo dies upon booting from floppy, stating "can't CHX to /h0/cmds" or
RM> something similar, after printing "Error #246". OSK manuals say error #246
RM> means "device not ready".
RM> Is there any way I can convince the drive to let me in so I can at least
RM> salvage some recent source code with dEd?
Russ,
Do you by chance have a floppy only boot with a descriptor and driver for
a /H0. Where /D0 would be your /DD.
I just cleared a problem identical to this on my CoCo3. In my case my /dd
is my harddrive. I had the trouble with my /H0 descriptor. It would set there
for about a half minute and come up with the same error #246. I just recentley
altered my descriptors and didn't get both of them set right. When I used
'DMODE' on the two descriptors I found out the DNS= was not the same on the
two. DED saved the day again. :)
Paul Myles
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Message # 2361 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Paul Myles
Subject : /H0
Date : 94/02/25 02:08:00
Russ,
I should have also mentioned to double check all the cable connections
first.
Paul Myles
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Public Message
Message # 2389 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/26 12:37:00
JD> Just add TERMINAL_PORT /t3
John,
Just out of curiousity, why don't you use MODEM rather than
TERMINAL_PORT? It is a fairly common environment variable.
Also, you should add support for kterm -?. This should be easy
to add, since you already accept a port number on the command line. This
should give minimal help, and copyright info. That would bring it into
line with most other OSK utilities, which support this parameter.
TTYL. Colin.
/s
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Public Message
Message # 2390 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : George Hine
Subject : RE: KTERM PROBLEM
Date : 94/02/27 09:58:00
John:
I will try the MW editor and see what happens.
George
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Public Message
Message # 2401 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : echo rules
Date : 94/03/01 09:58:27
(Updated 94/03/01)
MM1_TECH Fido echo rules and regulations.
I shall moderate this echo until a suitable replacement is available.
I do not want to moderate on a permanent basis since I am also a
Mfgr. Rep. for the MM/1 computer.
The rules are simple and please follow them as listed below:
1. No commercial business may be conducted.
2. No commercial advertising, only announcements of new products
that become available for the benifit of MM/1 users. Prices
should also not be quoted but a range may be stated.
3. Absoulutly no flaming or bad language. Use of such tactics may
result in your source loosing the echo.
4. The use of quoting someone elses msg. in making up a reply should
be limited to only quote the lines that relate to your reply.
5. When relating a problem and asking for help please include as
much data about your configuration and boot as possible, include
edition #'s and CRC of a module in question. Also your hardware
configuration.
6. This echo is for information and help so please refrain from
leaving personal mail that has no benifit for other users.
For information on sources of hardware and software for the MM/1 call
The Ocean Beach BBS. The Ocean Beach BBS is also the Fido region 10
OS9CN OSK library.
The Ocean Beach BBS tel. # is (619) 224-4878 12/24/9600 baud 8N1.
Your MM1_TECH Fido echo moderator, Warren Hrach
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Public Message
Message # 2407 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/02/28 19:29:00
Thanks for the idea. since I was not the orginal programmer of KTerm, I
had opted to leave as much code the same as possible and only change
that part of the code that needed to be changed for enhancements and/or
bug fixs. Your idea does sound a lot better and the envioroment varible
MODEM is a better way to go. That is a very easy change.
As for KTerm -?, I already open a window at startup, that in the
finial version will have the name, version, copyright, & ect on it.
I'll keep it in mine and see what other's think about that.
John A Donaldson
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2428 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Kterm
Date : 94/02/28 02:24:00
JA> Paul,
JA> The correct way is to add a enviroment varible in your startup file.
JA> Just add TERMINAL_PORT /t3
John,
Is TERMINAL_PORT /t3 different than MODEM /t3 ??
I have the latter one in my file.
Paul Myles
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2436 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/01 23:22:00
JD> As for KTerm -?
OK, let me present you with this situation. Ever go through your commands
directory, and wonder what a particular program was? Type in the file
name, followed by a -? and you can find out easily and painlessly.
Other thing is, when KTerm exits, try doing a Select(stdout), rather than
exiting as it does now. That will return you to the window that you
started from, rather than the last window.
Last thing is imagine this: Somebody who isn't running K-Windows runs
KTerm with the -? option. First thing KTerm does is try to open up a
window that can't be opened. Then it prints out the info detailing what
the program is to a window that doesn't exist.
Adding the -? is really trivial:
if(!strncmp("-?", argv[1], 2))
{
fprintf(stderr, "KTerm v1.0 (Beta)";
etc...
exit(0);
}
Stick that in right at the beginning of the code, and you're all set, and
conform with the vast majority of OSK programs, which do respond to -?.
TTFN. Colin.
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2440 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : test ok
Date : 94/03/03 07:35:37
John, here is exact copy as your test msg got tossed to my net msg base;
------------------------- Cut Here ------------------------------------
2433 NET
Date :94/03/02 09:32:00
To :Warren.hrach
From :John Donaldson @ 1:202/723.0
Subject :Test Message
^AMSGID: hounix.org 88a9cb3f
^AREPLYADDR mm1@hounix.org
Originally_From: mm1@hounix.org
This is a test........
Repeat.... this is a test.
this is a test of the Internet to Fidonet gateway.
If you got this message, please respond back.
John A. Donaldson
^AVia 1:202/701@fidonet @19940302.172816 FrontDoor 2.20b.mL
^AVia MsgTrack 1:202/335, Thu Mar 03 1994 at 01:36 UTC
^AVia Squish/2 1:202/335.0, Wed Mar 02 1994 at 22:37 UTC
------------------- Cut Here -------------------------------
You will notice the To field has my name as Warren.hrach. This seems
the only drawback but since I seldem get netmail not a problem since I
use Getmsgs and just search the output for 'Warren' anyway. The routing
is confusing but I do know the 202/723 is our local UUCP Usenet link.
The actual msg came routed to my hub 202/335 and arrived at 3:40AM.
Please note that reading normal mail on a RiBBS BBS one does not see the
lines starting with a ^.
The only hassle I have had on this end sending back is that I have to
reroute the outgoing Internet to 202/701 or maybe my hub 202/335. I have
tried sending to 202/723 but his system wont recognize my BBS as a valid
Fido BBS but maybe I can find out what is wrong there. You will note
the time it took to reach me (09:32 your time to 03:40 my time, 6 hrs
-2hrs time diff. = 4 hrs) is remarkabley fast.
I shall respond back in my Net msg base also to see if you get the reply
correctly.
-Warren (warren.hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message
Message # 2452 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : internet address
Date : 94/03/03 13:30:59
Notice to all,
I now have a working Internet address as follows :
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
-Warren Hrach, RiBBS beta sysop, MM/1 Sales Rep., MM1_TECH moderator.
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Public Message
Message # 2464 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: Kterm
Date : 94/03/02 21:28:00
Yes, they are different, but I am going to change the enviroment varible
to MODEM instead of TERMINAL_PORT.
John A Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 2540 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Tim Jones
Subject : my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/22 20:21:00
RM> Sigh..yesterday, my MM/1's hard drive decided to stop letting me in.
RM> Sysgo dies upon booting from floppy, stating "can't
RM> CHX to /h0/cmds" or something similar, after
RM> printing "Error #246". OSK manuals say error #246
RM> means "device not ready".
Can you tell if the drive is spinning up? You may take the drive and twist it
slam it into your palm then power it up. If you have a stiction problem this
will usually get it going, at least for a while.
Tim
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Public Message
Message # 2541 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/03 19:30:00
I'll put that idea on my list of priorties.
First on my list is getting ZModem RX/TX working.
Second is to fix a minor problem in the ANSI Color Routine.
Third fix YModem TX to be a batch type TX
Forth your idea of switching to the enviorment varible MODEM
Fifth your -? idea.
John A Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 2542 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Russ Magee
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/02/25 20:29:00
Re: dead hard drive
Yep, I've tried going back to an old boot disk, loading up the hard disk
drivers, inizing /h0 etc. No luck. Darn stubborn thing..if nothing else, I
plan to give myself a free lesson on the inside guts of modern hard drives..
At least I've got a minimal floppy-based system back up, so I can start
re-doing some of the work I lost.
thanks,
-Russ
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Public Message
Message # 2572 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Russ Magee
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/03/01 19:22:00
Thanks for the tips. However, I've tried fiddling with the drive
descriptors and no luck. I am pretty sure the drive is at fault; I have tried
at least 4 different boot files (with separate /h0 descriptors) and none of
them work.
-thanks,
Russ
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2573 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: Kterm
Date : 94/03/05 02:00:00
JA> Yes, they are different, but I am going to change the enviroment varible
JA> to MODEM instead of TERMINAL_PORT.
John,
OK, anything you say.
Paul Myles
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2593 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Internet NG
Date : 94/03/07 08:03:07
Alan here is copy of 'rejected notice' ------------------- Cut Here --
2553 NET
Date :94/03/06 16:59:00
To :Warren Hrach
From :Postmaster @ 1:202/723.0
Subject :MESSAGE NOT DELIVERED TO 'weston
^AMSGID: MVB.SAIC.COM 21205094
^AREPLY: Postmaster
^AREPLYADDR Postmaster@Mvb.Saic.Com
Originally_From: Postmaster@Mvb.Saic.Com
Your message entitled 'ladial goof'
and addressed to 'weston@sysa-c.engr1.siu.edu'
was rejected with the message '550 Domain not found.'
------------------------- End of cut ------------------------------
Maybe you made a mistake in the address you left in your docs for
Ladial. I made sure I copied it exactly. Note that I have never seen
an address with the - in it. Could this be an _ instead ?
BTW I did get Ladial to work but only with Sterm and using my Anchor
2400 baud modem I made up my init string as follows ;
'M1B0&CODT' and that worked fine. I only called my bbs and of course I
also changed the 9600 baud referance and control in dial.sys to 2400
baud. And of course turned off the flowcontrol. BTW can you set it up
to lock to a hi-speed modem at 38400 and let the modem do the baud
detect ?
Anyway your second upload does work except with Tascom or Osterm it
doesn't shell out right and dies.
-(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message
Message # 2604 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Russ Magee
From : Tim Jones
Subject : Re: my HD has died..?
Date : 94/03/06 09:08:00
RM> Thanks for the tips. However, I've tried fiddling with the drive
RM> descriptors and no luck. I am pretty sure the drive
RM> is at fault; I have tried at least 4 different boot
Have you tried hitting the drive in the palm of you hand while giving it a
quick twist. This often works on drives that have stiction problems and won't
spin up. This helps with some older Quantums too where the heads would
occationally land in the wrong place. The next time the drive spun up the
heads would be out of alignment. Good luck.
Tim
P.S. I should mention to do this with the drive off then immediatly <sp?>
power it up.
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2663 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/06 15:56:00
Next Reply is Message 2678
Well, good luck with RZ/SZ.
It should keep you entertained for a little while, at least!
TTYL. Colin.
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Public Message
Message # 2678 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/09 09:39:49
Previous Reply is Message 2663
solved the problem witn RZ/SZ. It is now working from KTerm, including
AUTO RZ download and batch SZ upload.
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message
Message # 2712 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : George Hine
Subject : HARDDRIVES
Date : 94/03/09 05:54:00
Dear Warren:
I have a used Quantum 40 meg Hard Drive with a SCSI 50 pin cable
connection and just next to this is another connector with 16 pins.
This drive has been tried in an MM-1 and powers up ok and tries to
seek, but will not format. The only information I have is from the
drive itself. There is an apple decal with a 40 in the middle, a
quantum barcode strip with Q250 and 74-45004, a decal on a chip
with a 1987 date. I was wondering if anyone had any information on
this drive.
Thanks George
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Public Message
Message # 2728 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : James Jones
Subject : voltage on serial ports
Date : 94/03/12 18:01:17
Today I went out and bought a Mouse Systems trackball--it can do both
Mouse Systems packets (which is what Logitech at least used to use, so I
figured it would work for me) and Microsoft (two-button) flavor at the
throw of a switch, so it sounded like just the thing.
It wasn't. It almost worked, but it had a great aversion to moving up
and down. I took it back, but decided to ask them to try it on one of
their PClones...and for them it worked.
What I eventually found out, after some manual reading, a voltmeter
purchase, and some measuring, is that the trackball wanted +12VDC
+/- 10%, and it was getting 9.56 or 9.95 VDC (one of the lines held high
measured one, the other the other). Measurements were made between the
pins and the outer shell (protective ground).
So...it sounds like my paddle board isn't putting out the volts that the
trackball wants. (It's enough for my Logitech mouse, which probably
wants +5VDC...) Am I correct in my inference? Did I measure relative
to the right thing? If I'm right, what can I do about it? Advice is
welcome.
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2741 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Ken Scales
Subject : Re: Internet NG
Date : 94/03/10 18:08:00
Next Reply is Message 2808
In a message to Alan Weston, Warren Hrach says:
WH> Anyway your second upload does work except with Tascom or Osterm
WH> it
WH> doesn't shell out right and dies.
Hmmm... sorry to "butt in" here, but you've certainly piqued my curiosity
<g>!
Could you fill in a few details? What type of program was this? Was
there a particular error reported? I have tried to ensure that OSTerm's
shell capability is as flexible as possible (within the 80x24 window),
and would be glad to see if there is something that could be done to help
interface with this program.
Thanks... / Ken
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2742 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/10 19:15:00
Next Reply is Message 2830
JD> solved the problem witn RZ/SZ. It is now working from KTerm
Good stuff. Now I dare you to try adding in support for Kermit!
(I can hear Ken chuckling in the background, because it isn't a trivial
addition!)
TTYL
Colin
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Public Message
Message # 2808 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Ken Scales
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Internet NG
Date : 94/03/13 18:40:14
Previous Reply is Message 2741
On Thursday, March 10th, 1994 - Ken Scales wrote:
KS> Hmmm... sorry to "butt in" here, but you've certainly piqued my
KS> curiosity <g>!
KS> Could you fill in a few details? What type of program was this? Was
KS> there a particular error reported? I have tried to ensure that
KS> OSTerm's shell capability is as flexible as possible (within the
KS> 80x24 window), and would be glad to see if there is something that
KS> could be done to help interface with this program.
Ken,
The program in question is Alan Westons 'ladialer.lzh' it is an
autodialer that comes up in a 80x24 graphic window with the usual point
and click options to dial, edit, delete or add a new number. It works
fine with Sterm, and of course Kterm I have doesn't have the shell
option working yet. I did not try it with Aterm. My uneducated guess
is that Osterm or Tascom shell window being less than 80x24 is too
small. Anyway Alan should be contacting you by now and between the 2 of
you can figure it out. I have for downloading in my OSK Tel. section.
If I can I will see if there is an error number but it all dies so fast
I dont see any.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2813 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : James Jones
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: voltage on serial ports
Date : 94/03/14 04:45:15
Previous Reply is Message 2728
Never mind. Two errors: I referred to the paddleboard, though /t2 isn't
one of those; also, a friend with an MM/1 has a trackball that nominally
wants 12 VDC working even though his /t2 voltages measure about the same
as mine, so it's a driver thing.
Duh. It's a good thing I don't make my living doing hardware.
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Public Message
Message # 2830 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: KTerm Problem
Date : 94/03/14 10:04:12
Previous Reply is Message 2742
On Thursday, March 10th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
I'll keep that in mine if David decides to go for a V3.0 of KTerm.
John D.
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Public Message
Message # 2913 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Tim Jones
Subject : infozip & unzip
Date : 94/03/16 00:20:00
Next Reply is Message 2916
Hello all. I was just wondering if anyone has ported the infozip & unzip utils
to OSK (namely the MM/1) yet? Knowing me it probably came out and I missed it.
Thanks....
Tim
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Public Message
Message # 2916 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Tim Jones
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: infozip & unzip
Date : 94/03/17 13:39:59
Previous Reply is Message 2913
On Wednesday, March 16th, 1994 - Tim Jones wrote:
TJ> Hello all. I was just wondering if anyone has ported the infozip &
TJ> unzip utils to OSK (namely the MM/1) yet? Knowing me it probably came
TJ> out and I missed it. Thanks....
Tim,
I have both zip and unzip available for osk. Freq 'unzip.ar' and
'zip_1_0.ar' first is 28.8k and the zip is 350k.
The unzip.ar is in my osk_uti downloads and zip is in osk_pro
downloads.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
PS the zip is big cause it includes C source.
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 2934 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Ken Scales
Subject : Re: LaDial
Date : 94/03/16 23:24:00
Next Reply is Message 2938
WH> The program in question is Alan Westons 'ladialer.lzh' it is an
WH> autodialer that comes up in a 80x24 graphic window with the usual
WH> point
WH> and click options to dial, edit, delete or add a new number. It works
WH> fine with Sterm, and of course Kterm I have doesn't have the shell
WH> option working yet. I did not try it with Aterm. My uneducated guess
WH> is that Osterm or Tascom shell window being less than 80x24 is too
WH> small. Anyway Alan should be contacting you by now and between the 2
WH> of
WH> you can figure it out. I have for downloading in my OSK Tel. section.
Thanks, Warren. A version popped up in the Delphi database the other day,
so I downloaded it to give it a try. (Edition #7, CRC $90C55C). It did
seem to work from an OSTerm shell: at least I got a CONNECT message
after clicking on the Ocean Beach entry. Some parts of the display
looked like they may have been a bit "cramped" for space in the 80x24
shell window, but it didn't appear to affect operation. However, when
I went back to OSTerm, I wasn't getting good data. I suspect that
LaDial is changing the baud rate, and my system is configured for
"locked baud" operation (fixed at 9600 between the modem and the
computer).
Note that OSTerm 68K now uses 80x24 for its shell window. If the version
you have has a smaller shell window, this could account for the problems.
(Updates should be shipping RSN, we hope! Three user-definable external
protocols, support for multiple ports, 16-colour ANSI, fixed prompted
ASCII file transfers, linefeed and ANSI/VT100 control character stripping
in captured files, true line break, up to 24 digits for the autodialer
numbers, and many other little changes. Colin's manual has now grown to
over 100K in size.)
Regards... / Ken
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Public Message
Message # 2938 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Ken Scales
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: LaDial
Date : 94/03/19 10:30:24
Previous Reply is Message 2934
On Wednesday, March 16th, 1994 - Ken Scales wrote:
KS> Thanks, Warren. A version popped up in the Delphi database the other
KS> day, so I downloaded it to give it a try. (Edition #7, CRC $90C55C).
KS> It did seem to work from an OSTerm shell: at least I got a CONNECT
KS> message after clicking on the Ocean Beach entry. Some parts of the
KS> display looked like they may have been a bit "cramped" for space in
KS> the 80x24 shell window, but it didn't appear to affect operation.
KS> However, when I went back to OSTerm, I wasn't getting good data. I
KS> suspect that LaDial is changing the baud rate, and my system is
KS> configured for "locked baud" operation (fixed at 9600 between the
KS> modem and the computer).
KS> Note that OSTerm 68K now uses 80x24 for its shell window. If the
KS> version you have has a smaller shell window, this could account for
KS> the problems. (Updates should be shipping RSN, we hope! Three
KS> user-definable external protocols, support for multiple ports,
KS> 16-colour ANSI, fixed prompted ASCII file transfers, linefeed and
KS> ANSI/VT100 control character stripping in captured files, true line
KS> break, up to 24 digits for the autodialer numbers, and many other
KS> little changes. Colin's manual has now grown to over 100K in size.)
Ken,
I just chatted with John Baer and he tells me his osterm has Zmodem
and several other things I am missing, and his is a beta version whereas
mine is Version 2.00, Alpha release 1.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 2976 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Tim Jones
Subject : Re: infozip & unzip
Date : 94/03/18 19:33:00
WH> Tim,
WH> I have both zip and unzip available for osk. Freq 'unzip.ar' and
WH> 'zip_1_0.ar' first is 28.8k and the zip is 350k.
WH> The unzip.ar is in my osk_uti downloads and zip is in osk_pro
Thanks Warren. I might do that but first I'll wait and see if anyone knows if
it is available via FTP. It's cheaper for me to get it that way.
Tim
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Public Message
Message # 2994 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Bill Beissert
Subject : oskbox
Date : 94/03/20 17:55:11
Has anyone been able to get OSKBOX working? It seems there are some
missing modules in the original archive (OSKBOX.LZH). Would appreciate
any help/info on this.
--- bill
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bill_beissert@signature.com
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Public Message
Message # 3026 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Chicago Fest
Date : 94/03/19 19:31:00
If you don't know by now, Chicago Fest will be held on May 20,21,1994 at
the IL RTE 31 Holiday Inn.
I plan to be there, so watch out for me. You can spot me real easy.
I'll be the one that has more grey in my beard than on my head (hair).
just as soon as I found out the Hotel rates, I'll post them here.
John A. Donaldson
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Public Message (Rec)
Message # 3048 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: LaDial
Date : 94/03/20 20:43:00
Next Reply is Message 3049
WH> I just chatted with John Baer and he tells me his osterm has Zmodem
Hi, Warren.
OSTerm is up to version 2.0.9 (Beta), and was recently and succesfully tested
with the MM/1a.
Just a bunch of small things to be cleaned up. Once we hit 2.1.0, everybody
with earlier versions will be updated ASAP.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3049 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: LaDial
Date : 94/03/22 08:49:40
Previous Reply is Message 3048
On Sunday, March 20th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> OSTerm is up to version 2.0.9 (Beta), and was recently and
CM> succesfully tested with the MM/1a.
CM> Just a bunch of small things to be cleaned up. Once we hit 2.1.0,
CM> everybody with earlier versions will be updated ASAP.
Colin,
Since John Baer noted Osterm included Zmodem I have a question,
Is it invoked from the Osterm shell option or included in the menu for
file transfer ? And if so what version ? The version I am using with
Kterm is 3.34 5-5-93. Kterm includes a menu option for Zmodem and when
one invokes a 'receive file' the prompt (from rz) comes up 'Type "sz
file ..." to your modem program'. This seems to mean nothing as far as
Kterm is involved since it will Zmodem download a list of files set up
on the host you are downloading from. I did run dEd on rz and noted
that that prompt is built in. John A Donaldson hesitates to mess with rz
since it is copyrighted.
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Message # 3126 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Bill Beissert
From : Tim Jones
Subject : oskbox
Date : 94/03/22 21:38:00
BB> Has anyone been able to get OSKBOX working? It seems there are some
What is OSKBOX?
Tim
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Message # 3127 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : OSTerm & RZ/SZ
Date : 94/03/23 17:59:00
Next Reply is Message 3132
OSTerm forks RZ/SZ from the file transfer menu.
What Ken did was add definitions to describe external protocols in
the osterm.config file. There are provisions to add in up to
three external protocols.
OSTerm comes with a config file set up to handle rz 3.24 5-5-93 for OS-9/68000
by Chuck Forsberg, Omen Technology INC. Are you sure that you meant 3.34 and
not 3.24?
Anyways, no matter. If you do indeed have 3.34, and the syntax has changed,
then all you have to do is edit the osterm.config file.
RZ/SZ does not include permission to be distributed with commercial packages
like OSTerm, and so it is not included on the distribution diskette.
Sending and receiving files with OSTerm 68K and external protocols is exactly
the same as with the internal protocols, thanks to some smart programming by
Ken. With a batch protocol like SZ, for example, the Pick Files file picker is
used, and the list of files is passed to sz as a parameter.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3132 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: OSTerm & RZ/SZ
Date : 94/03/24 15:05:24
Previous Reply is Message 3127
On Wednesday, March 23rd, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> OSTerm comes with a config file set up to handle rz 3.24 5-5-93 for
CM> OS-9/68000
CM> by Chuck Forsberg, Omen Technology INC. Are you sure that you meant
CM> 3.34 and not 3.24?
CM> Anyways, no matter. If you do indeed have 3.34, and the syntax has
CM> changed, then all you have to do is edit the osterm.config file.
CM> RZ/SZ does not include permission to be distributed with commercial
CM> packages like OSTerm, and so it is not included on the distribution
CM> diskette.
CM> Sending and receiving files with OSTerm 68K and external protocols is
CM> exactly the same as with the internal protocols, thanks to some
CM> smart programming by Ken. With a batch protocol like SZ, for
CM> example, the Pick Files file picker is
CM> used, and the list of files is passed to sz as a parameter.
Colin,
The version of rz and sz I have is 3.24 for both, just checked.
I can't wait for the update, how long will it be ?
-Warren
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Message # 3184 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: KTERM PATCH
Date : 94/03/26 08:08:45
Previous Reply is Message 3174
On Friday, March 25th, 1994 - George Hine wrote
in a msg to Calvin ;
GH> Thanks for the 1 byte poke for Kterm. I have noticed an improvement
GH> when using a vt100 terminal type BBS, I now have bold highlited text
GH> and smooter (faster) screen updates. I have not yet tried an
GH> editor, except for the one I am using now, but all seems to work.
GH> You might like to make this change public.
George,
Are you sure you are talking about Kterm ? Or do you mean Osterm or
its graphic interface (??) forgot the name.
BTW I am waiting for the final update of OSTERM and would like to
compare to the release V2.0 of Kterm, just got for testing and final
release. No I don't know the price but will advise as soon as Blackhawk
tells me.
-Warren
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Public Message
Message # 3204 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Tim Jones
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: oskbox
Date : 94/03/25 19:20:00
Tim,
OSKBOX is a Amateur Radio Packet mail Box/BBS written for OSK.
Packet radio is a form of digital radio using a computer, a TNC
(terminal node controller), and a 2 way amateur radio. it lets a ham
radio operator to connect with other hams via either directly or thru
his personal mailbox or via a packet network. I have sent messages to a
ham friend of mine in CAL. via packet. The msg is transmitted from one
packet node to another, figuring out along the way the best route to
CAL. Since each ham packet station has its own address, the msg doesn't
get lost.
Kinda like a FIDO network. In fact very much like a FIDO network,
execpt using 2 way radios and not phone lines.
Hope this helped.
John A. Donaldson
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Message # 3205 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Chicago COCO FEST
Date : 94/03/25 19:45:00
I will be arriving in Chicago via air at 1:20 PM May 20, 1994.
If anyone is arriving around the same time, I am willing to share the
cost of a rent car or taxi to/from the COCO FEST. Leave a msg here if
your interested.
John A. Donaldson
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Message # 3263 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: OSTerm & RZ/SZ
Date : 94/03/27 01:02:00
WH> I can't wait for the update, how long will it be ?
I can't honestly give an accurate answer right now. Ken is doing all the
programming for the project, and is very busy at work right now. All I can say
is that it will be out as soon as possible. Sorry.
TTYL. Colin.
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Public Message
Message # 3281 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Scott Woolsey
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Yeah, whatever
Date : 94/03/29 06:51:12
Previous Reply is Message 3278
On Saturday, March 26th, 1994 - Scott Woolsey wrote:
SW> John:
SW> That was quite the nice little letter you sent me. Oh well, 'tis life
SW> right?!!
SW> Anywayz, I don't know what it was that you didn't know. (You said you
SW> didn't know what THIS was??)
SW> But anyway, you said to drop a line, so I did. If there's anything
SW> you want to say, or just write back, go ahead. I'll always be around
SW> sometime,so I should get your note...
SW> Anyway, gotta go....
SW> TTYL...
SW> Scott Woolsey
SW> (AKA Pyro)
Scott,
Your msg. to John Gagliano is off topic for this echo.
Please use private E-Mail or Net Mail not this Echo. Check with your
local Sysop if you do not understand how to do this.
-Warren Hrach, MM1_TECH moderator
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Message # 3504 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Erik Jan Tromp
Subject : Wanted: Cross Assembler
Date : 94/03/27 23:35:00
(Crossposted to COCO,MM1_TECH,OS9,RIBBS via EnMasse v2.31)
WANTED:
------
What: 6800/6802/6808 cross assembler to operate in OS9/6809 (preferred)
or MSDOS environment.
Why: Rewrite of the Puppo 101-keyboard (not Eagle, sorry) interface
software.
Some of the possible enhancements include:
- TAB becomes shift-right (presently right)
- shift-TAB becomes shift-left (presently left)
- END becomes shift-HOME (presently break)
- SCROLL LOCK becomes ctrl-s (presently ` ($60))
- PAUSE BREAK becomes break (presently not translated)
- PRINT SCRN SYSREQ becomes macro key (presently F10)
- F11 becomes alt-i (presently not translated)
- F12 becomes alt-j (presently not translated)
Extreme enhancements (not necessarily possible/probable):
- show PASS/FAIL status of keyboard self-diagnostic on reset
- re-init keyboard on reset (clear caps/num/scroll lock)
- toggle QWERTY/DVORAK layouts & re-init (hot keyed - change on the fly)
(NOTE: None of the above enhancements are 'cast in stone'. If you have
an idea you would like to include, post a message in this echo.)
--> Erik <--
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Public Message
Message # 3524 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Dages
From : John A Donaldson
Subject : Re: oskbox
Date : 94/04/03 14:34:00
Alan,
OSKBOX is a fully Amatuer Radio Packet Mailbox, with auto fowarding
and retreiving of mail. It will run on either a 68000,68070, or 68020
system.
John A. Donaldson
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Message # 3576 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : George Hine
Subject : Re: KTERM PATCH
Date : 94/04/06 06:27:05
Previous Reply is Message 3184 Next Reply is Message 3583
On Saturday, March 26th, 1994 - Warren Hrach wrote:
Dear Warren:
Calvin Dodge called me with a small patch to Kterm which he said
would allow the program to process control codes in a slightly different
way. I think it was a byte at a time rather than as a string. This
seemed to make the screen responsive to changes on a word by word basis.
Now I can use a vt100 emulation on a local library service and have both
bold highlighted words and regular text alternating on the screen.
Before the poke all I would have is bold text for everything.
Calvin made the change because he was having problems with the host
line editors messing up and he said this helped them work. You might
try communicating with him on FIDO. I think he uses the same local BBS
that I do, although I have not received a reply to my last message to
him. Also, I did hear from David Graham about windio51. He said it
was forwarded to me on may 28th. I still havent seen it yet so I
checked to see if it was here. Quess Not.
Thanks very much,
George
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Message # 3583 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : George Hine
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: KTERM PATCH
Date : 94/04/06 08:54:19
Previous Reply is Message 3576
George,
This may be related to the latest bug that has been fixed in the
commercial version of Kterm. John A Donaldson said it was apparent when
the host sent a string of ANSI cntrl codes and the 2nd and/or 3rd ones
would be ignored. It should work well now as it has been tested on my
RiBBS system and David Graham has tested it on MS Dog BBS's also.
It should be available in a few weeks as soon as David gets the
docs rewritten. It will be on sale from BlackHawk, Me and at the
Chicago Fest.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message
Message # 3591 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : John A Donaldson
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP
Date : 94/04/06 09:39:10
John,
I just saw a msg. from Boisy Pitre on the OS9ECHO concerning Bob
Billson's UUCP port. He says it is uploaded to the OS9 site on
chestnut.cs.wisc.edu and should be available there and on the mirror
site, wuarchive soon. He says 'for OSK you need an earlier version of
LHA V2.01. which I have. It is supposed to compile with the C compiler
V3.2 or Ultra C.
He says it allows running a UUCP node but is not a terminal
program. One still needs to connect to an Gateway or somesuch Internet
system. Anyway it is a big step for us MM/1 users (providing no bugs)
and I hope you can pick it up and it will compile ok.
Boisy's msg is dated 94/04/05 at 1:15 AM.
Note that Bob Billsons's Internet address is (bob@kc2wz.bubble.org)
(warren_harch@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3679 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP stuff
Date : 94/04/08 08:42:41
Some new files I have for download and also are available on the OS9CN
libraries are ;
LTERM10d.lzh (Alan Westons MM/1 term program) [osk_tel section]
UUCPBB20.lzh (Bob Billson's latest release) " " "
UUCPBM20.lzh (docs for above) " " "
README.ubb (A uucp readme file, what else) " " "
The lterm is a nice term program for the MM/1 but does not include Ansi.
(it is a demo version of a shareware program)
BTW I did test my beta version of Kterm and Zyxel modem using zmodem and
got over 2,000 CPS on downloading from a Wildcat Ms Dos BBS. And Kterm
has a nice ANSI setup now. I have a color config that makes RiBBS look
good.
The UUCP stuff was received over the OS9CN network and was orginated by
Brian Stewart, Thanks Brian. Now to see if I can compile it on my MM/1.
There is a makefile for the MW C compiler I have so maybe it will be a
go.
Anyway look for the above new files at Ocean Beach BBS in the OSK_TEL
section, and on other Libraries in the OS9_TEL section. BTW there is
makefiles for both CoCo OS9 Lev2 and OSK V3.2 C compiler.
There is also a makefile for MW's Ultra C compiler.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3701 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: UUCP
Date : 94/04/07 15:54:00
Next Reply is Message 3710
I picked up the UUCPbb package yesterday, compiled it (40 minutes for the
compile), and fired it up today.
Haven't got it sending mail, but I can receive mail right now. Haven't figured
out all the stuff related to news groups yet though.
At any rate, it's the best-documented UUCP package for OS-9 I've seen yet.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3707 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : James Jones
Subject : ladial demo version
Date : 94/04/09 14:48:10
If you've gotten the ladial demo version to work, I'd like to hear from
you about how you did it. I suspect my "modem init" string; as far as I
can tell, my modem comes up in an appropriate mode, so that all I have
in my dial.sys file for the "init strings" are "DT<phone number>". The
bps rate for all of them is 38400, because I have my modem set up to
always communicate at that rate whatever the other end talks at--but I
haven't gotten that far, so I don't know whether that will cause a
problem.
The symptoms I see are that ladial emits the "init string" and then
comes back immediately with NO DIALTONE. If I let it redial, it just
goes offhook and I eventually get a warning message and howler tone
(what they play to let you know your phone in the other room is off hook
and not doing anything). Any advice would be appreciated. LaTerm looks
very nice, and the external protocol setup is something we've needed for
a long time. I just need to figure out how to get it to actually dial.
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Public Message
Message # 3710 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: UUCP
Date : 94/04/09 18:42:43
Previous Reply is Message 3701
On Thursday, April 7th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> At any rate, it's the best-documented UUCP package for OS-9 I've seen
CM> yet.
Colin,
The UUCP came over the OCN distribution net. I had it balk on
compile at rmail.c and found an extra space at line 1030 in that.
After fixing that it compiled fine. Now I have been trying to connect
to a local UNIX system and we cant get it to recognize his (l)ogin and
send my site name and password. I have been able to call my BBS and
send my name and password but of course the rest is glorp as RiBBS just
thinks it is a user.
Maybe tomorrow we can get it working better.
Warren, (warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message
Message # 3733 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : math module fix
Date : 94/04/10 12:47:17
Oh no! Yes, it's version 1.8 of the math module!! Two more bugs have
been found (thanks to Bob van der Poel). I'm uploading the new version
now - it should be available on this board Real Soon Now. Sorry for
the mess!
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Message # 3809 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin McKay
From : Ken Scales
Subject : Getting there...
Date : 94/04/10 13:04:00
Colin, since today's meeting of the MECCO OS-9 group has been cancelled,
I thought I would leave you a message here. Also, to post progress for
OSTerm 68K customers out there waiting for their updates...
Last night I got the necessary enhancements in for the VT100 emulation so
that it now properly handles Emacs (with multiple buffers on screen) from
a HP-Unix host, as well as Vi. (Brian Marcotte's "vt100" program
will also handle Emacs, but can't quite deal with Vi.) This should bring
the level of emulation supported from "basic" to fairly general, though
it still won't support different character sets/sizes, 132 column mode,
and some of the other less-used functions. But it now should cover
all the main requirements most users will require. (It's better than the
version of "screen" I have running on the Unix box... Guess I need to
get a new version of that installed.)
So, this just leaves one major item on our checklist for OSTerm V2.1.
Cheers... / Ken
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Message # 3810 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Ken Scales
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: Getting there...
Date : 94/04/10 14:16:00
Good stuff, Ken!
So that brings emulation modes to:
TTY
ANSI (Colours, characters and screen positioning codes)
VT100
Compuserve
Binary (All characters captured to a buffer, screen-safe ones go to the
screen)
and CC3/K-Windows.
And since external protocols, such as Z-Modem, and Kermit are also
already supported, that only leaves one more item, CIS-B protocol.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3822 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Ken Scales
Subject : Re: Getting there...(OSTerm 68K)
Date : 94/04/11 22:50:00
CM> So that brings emulation modes to:
CM>
CM> TTY
CM> ANSI (Colours, characters and screen positioning codes)
CM> VT100
CM> Compuserve
CM> Binary (All characters captured to a buffer, screen-safe ones go to
CM> the screen)
CM> and CC3/K-Windows.
Umm... well, what we used to describe as "CompuServe" mode is now moved
to "Terminal Options", and appears as "7-bit mask". This allows the
masking to be used with the various emulation modes, if desired. Guess
that means the manual will need to be updated again <ducking...>
CM> And since external protocols, such as Z-Modem, and Kermit are also
CM> already supported, that only leaves one more item, CIS-B protocol.
Don't forget the Prompted ASCII transfer mode...
At this stage, I am tempted to suggest that we freeze it withOUT CIS-B
protocol (which was always considered only a "WBN" (Would Be Nice) for
this release), and distribute it. We've made so many little changes and
enhancements that I'm beginning to have trouble remembering them.
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Message # 3823 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: UUCP
Date : 94/04/11 23:12:00
Next Reply is Message 3837
Good luck with getting UUCP up and running.
I've got mine up and running pretty cleanly now. It compiled first time
on my MM/1.
Only found one problem, and almost have that tracked down in the source.
Mailx does not seem to like one-line messages. Other than that, I
haven't had any real problems with the package.
It is the best documented one I've seen so far for OS-9/OSK.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3837 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: UUCP
Date : 94/04/13 09:35:53
Previous Reply is Message 3823
On Monday, April 11th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> I've got mine up and running pretty cleanly now. It compiled first
CM> time on my MM/1.
CM> Only found one problem, and almost have that tracked down in the
CM> source. Mailx does not seem to like one-line messages. Other than
CM> that, I haven't had any real problems with the package.
Colin,
I finally got linked up to our local UNIX Internet host. However
we need to spend time on my setup. I just recompiled it with the bug
fixes in UUBB20.BUG that was sent out on the OCN net. Took 35 min.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3850 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: UUCP works
Date : 94/04/12 22:21:00
Next Reply is Message 3852
Hi, Warren.
I think pollremote was referring to your system.
On my setup, the uucp files go in:
/dd/usr/postmaster
cmckay
spool/files
incoming
news
uucp/uuisis
uucppublic
uuisis is the system I call to get my mail from.
cmckay and postmaster are accounts on my system, and also appear in the
/dd/sys/password file.
Hope this helps. TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3852 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: UUCP works
Date : 94/04/14 14:10:00
Previous Reply is Message 3850
On Tuesday, April 12th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> /dd/usr/postmaster
CM> cmckay
CM> spool/files
CM> incoming
CM> news
CM> uucp/uuisis
CM> uucppublic
CM> uuisis is the system I call to get my mail from.
CM> cmckay and postmaster are accounts on my system, and also appear in
CM> the /dd/sys/password file.
Colin,
Yes I was fortunent to have Boisy log on and chatted with him about
it. I made up a dir for the system I call like yours uuisis, mine is
jadpc. Now I can log on as postmaster and que up a file for jadpc and
send it ok. But I am still missing a few dirs and/or files. My local
guru will help me get the rest setup I am sure. But I am having a very
strange thing happen when I do a 'tsmon /t0&'. I do that and all goes
well, I have the correct modem strings, in fact same as used for RiBBSs.
But after the first call to the modem and login it refuses to answer
another call until the next day ! I must be missing a profile or
something in the .login , .logout files. I have those and they work ok
but still wont accept a second or any more calls. I even reboot, reset
the modem and still wont accept a call. If I deiniz the port and reset
the modem by itself it will accept and answer (send tone) but if tsmon
is on it wont send tone. Any help apprecieated. I know it is not the
modem as I duplicated the whole thing with my ZyXEL modem.
BTW isn't there supposed to be a login log somewhere ?
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3857 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Time Change
Date : 94/04/12 09:41:00
How is it that the clock in the MM/1 was able to do its own time change to
daylight savings time??? Last fall I thought I was imangining this, so this
time I remembered to double check it first.
Paul Myles
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Message # 3864 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Time Change
Date : 94/04/15 10:50:55
Previous Reply is Message 3857
On Tuesday, April 12th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> How is it that the clock in the MM/1 was able to do its own time
PM> change to daylight savings time??? Last fall I thought I was
PM> imangining this, so this time I remembered to double check it first.
Paul,
The same thing occured to me and I had to wait 6 months to confirm
it was automatic. That is one smart clock chip in the MM/1.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3885 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Boisy Pitre
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : OSK UUCP MM/1
Date : 94/04/16 09:25:25
(here is copy of msg. I sent on the Internet to you)
Boisy,
I am haveing a few problems with my OSK UUCP. I put a .mailrc file
in the postmaster dir and that seems to work except when I call mailx or
postnews or readnews I get an error #000:009 (readparam: illegal
setonoff() value: 'pm' at line 4).
I have been able to send a file and rcv a file from my UNIX host so
far but have not been able to set up the newgroups nor send a msg or
receive a msg. Another error occurs when I call palm and call for
m)ail and try to send a msg To: , it wont take any address or name,
gives me a stack overflow and dumps me back to the login prompt.
My biggest problem is understanding the varioous dir's needed and
what goes where. I need some actual examples I guess.
Other than that it seems to run well and calls out (uucico) nicely.
One other bug is that the Tsmon /t0& will only allow one call the first
thing of the day to the modem. Next time it seems to lock up the modem
although the lites are normal and is in the autoanswer mode. Rebooting,
changing modems, changing ports has no effect.
And yes I have the modem strings set correctly, same as I used for years
on RiBBS.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Public Message
Message # 3891 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: Time Change
Date : 94/04/14 16:40:00
Next Reply is Message 3914
Some clock chips are smart enough to do the change automatically.
All they do is look for the first Sunday in April, and make the change
then.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 3914 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: Time Change
Date : 94/04/16 12:54:19
Previous Reply is Message 3891
Gee. What do people in the states or regions that decided not to go
with Daylight Savings Time do? (For that matter, how about users outte
-er, outside--the US?)
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Public Message
Message # 3939 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : tsmon and modem
Date : 94/04/17 09:53:27
If anyone is attempting to run 'tsmon /t0&' to a modem you may find the
modem sends result codes which locks up tsmon to the modem and wont let
it answer a call. I found that all I had to do was init my modem to
turn off result codes. My old Anchor 2400e Patriot uses ATQ1 for this.
Now to get back to debugging my UUCP stuff !
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 3945 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: UUCP works
Date : 94/04/15 15:59:00
Hi, Warren.
You know what your tsmon problem sounds like? It sounds like you're being
bitten by the serial port bug in /t0.
Try using /t3 or /t4, and see if you have the same problem. You could also try
running Guardian.
I don't think the stock TSMON logs callers. You'd have to get Carl Kreider's
MTSMON package. It has caller logging, as I recall.
@c=*X-m?zN,-f-x5**E r
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Message # 3951 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: UUCP works
Date : 94/04/17 12:21:03
Previous Reply is Message 3945
On Friday, April 15th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> You know what your tsmon problem sounds like? It sounds like you're
CM> being bitten by the serial port bug in /t0.
CM> Try using /t3 or /t4, and see if you have the same problem. You could
CM> also try
CM> running Guardian.
CM> I don't think the stock TSMON logs callers. You'd have to get Carl
CM> Kreider's MTSMON package. It has caller logging, as I recall.
CM> @c=*X-m?zN,-f-x5**E r
Colin,
I posted a prev. msg. to All that explained what I found.
Basically init the modem to ATQ1 (result codes off). Now it works fine
with /t0, no gardian and now will try mtsmon. Also need to find out how
to trip DTR to hang up the modem. As it is now the caller has to hang
up.
-Warren
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Message # 3953 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : James Jones
Subject : dial.sys contents
Date : 94/04/17 12:59:11
Next Reply is Message 4070
OK...here's my dial.sys file (aside from my putting a space at the
beginning of each line, to try to avoid RiBBS reformatting it):
Ocean Beach (14.4K);16192244878;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
Delphi (2400);2886206;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
Delphi (9600);2884626;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
ACS Inc. BBS;14046362991;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
(There are another couple of lines, but this should give you the idea.)
I say they're all 38400 bps because the modem is set up to always
communicate with me at 38.4 no matter what the far end uses, and the
*70, is there to kill call waiting. With this setup, ladial seems to
pause part way through dialing a number, and then the rest of the number
is echoed followed immediately by "NO DIALTONE."
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Public Message
Message # 4060 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : James Jones
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: Time Change
Date : 94/04/18 17:01:00
JJ> What do people in the states or regions (without Daylight Savings Time)
Curse the clock manufacturer twice a year, I guess!
I'd imagine that they could:
1. Hunt for a new clock chip.
2. Set up a CRON entry to run a program to fix the time by
an hour twice a year.
3. Manually reset the clock twice a year.
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 4061 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : UUCP
Date : 94/04/19 14:13:00
Warren,
What is your non-Fido Internet address (if you have one).
TTYL. Colin.
cmckay@northx.isis.org
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Message # 4070 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : James Jones
From : Alan Weston
Subject : Re: dial.sys contents
Date : 94/04/21 10:35:55
Previous Reply is Message 3953
On Sunday, April 17th, 1994 - James Jones wrote:
JJ> OK...here's my dial.sys file (aside from my putting a space at the
JJ> beginning of each line, to try to avoid RiBBS reformatting it):
JJ> Ocean Beach (14.4K);16192244878;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
JJ> Delphi (2400);2886206;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
JJ> Delphi (9600);2884626;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
JJ> ACS Inc. BBS;14046362991;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
JJ> (There are another couple of lines, but this should give you the
JJ> idea.) I say they're all 38400 bps because the modem is set up to
JJ> always communicate with me at 38.4 no matter what the far end uses,
JJ> and the *70, is there to kill call waiting. With this setup, ladial
JJ> seems to pause part way through dialing a number, and then the rest
JJ> of the number is echoed followed immediately by "NO DIALTONE."
JJ> --- RiBBS v2.10
Okay, I'll look into it and see what I can do.
Thanks
Alan
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Message # 4075 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : James Jones
From : Alan Weston
Subject : Re: dial.sys contents
Date : 94/04/21 11:33:54
Previous Reply is Message 3953
James:
I appended my dial.sys file with your setup:
.
Ocean Beach (14.4K);16192244878;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
Delphi (2400);2886206;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
ACS Inc. BBS;14046362991;DT*70,;38400;8N1;YES
.
If I dial one of the numbers "as is", I get a dial off to
oblivion with no connect, but then again I don't get NO DIALTONE.
Here locally GTE uses 70# to disable call waiting, so I
substituted *70 with 70#. When I dial I get a busy signal right
after the 70#, and the rest of the number is dialed over the busy
signal (obviously to no avail). This happens because I don't have
call waiting. So I deleted the call waiting disable and left the
pause comma -- dialing proceeded normally with a successful connect.
Humm...
.
As far as setting the port to 38.4k, this definitely doesn't impact
on dialing, i.e. a connect should occur even if at the wrong speed.
.
At this point I recommend that you remove the call wait disable
to see what happens.
Some other questions:
- Which port are you using?
- Do you xmode the port at any time?
- Can you show me an ident of the port?
More importantly:
- Can you dial successfully and with the same strings (as in
dial.sys) from within LaTerm?
- Do the same strings work in other dialers?
.
I hope we can resolve this problem and find a simple if
not elegant solution.
I hope this helps,
Alan
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Public Message
Message # 4095 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP on OSK Mail
Date : 94/04/22 15:20:41
I finally found my Mail problem, The uucpbb.doc did not mention that a
dir is needed as follows '/dd/usr/MAIL'. In that is located the various
users dir ie; /dd/usr/mail/warren, /dd/usr/mail/postmaster etc etc.
Thanks to Bob Billson's quick reply. Now to get the rest of things in
order and I should be online soon.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 4098 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Hugo Bueno
Subject : Re: Time Change
Date : 94/04/22 21:00:38
Previous Reply is Message 3857
On Tuesday, April 12th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> How is it that the clock in the MM/1 was able to do its own time
PM> change to daylight savings time??? Last fall I thought I was
I was amazed myself. I sort of remember installing something by Bob va
der Poel which supposedly patched the clock module to automagically
change for daylight savings.
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Message # 4148 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: dial.sys contents
Date : 94/04/24 18:51:32
Previous Reply is Message 4075
Thanks for your help; I've captured your message to me and I'll gather
all the info together offline to make sure I don't skip over any of the
stuff you've asked for. Thanks again.
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Public Message
Message # 4149 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : James Jones
Subject : dial.sys
Date : 94/04/25 04:18:17
Here goes. I'm connected using laterm, after entering the command by
hand that ladial should be using given the dial.sys I have.
I'm using /t3. xmode shows type=80 baud=38400 xon=0 xoff=0 tabc=0, and
the rest is pretty much the usual. Hang on, let's try a little cutting
and pasting...
noupc bsb bsl echo lf null=0 nopause pag=24 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D
eof=1B reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07
type=80 baud=38400 xon=00 xoff=00 tabc=00 tabs=4
The strings are the same as those I use with OSTerm.
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Public Message
Message # 4109 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Calvin Dodge
Subject : Math module
Date : 94/04/23 18:51:50
I hope (and really think) this will be the last fix (until (and if) I
upgrade it. V. 1.9 is the latest version - this one HAS been tested by
me. Try it and see what results you get.
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Message # 4138 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : David Graham
Subject : BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc. Ship
Date : 94/04/24 13:46:25
BHE has shipped it's first MM/1. Shipping time is still dependent
on receipt of boards ala IMS - in other words, pretty delayed. We
will be turning all profits back into inventory though, so unlike
IMS we expect to be shipping within 30 days by the end of this year.
(End of July, if possible!). Our special offer is over. The systems
advertised are still available, but not at the discounted price.
Please direct inquiries for sales to an authorized reseller or
BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 10552
Enid, OK 73706-0552
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Message # 4148 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : James Jones
Subject : Re: dial.sys contents
Date : 94/04/24 18:51:32
Previous Reply is Message 4075
Thanks for your help; I've captured your message to me and I'll gather
all the info together offline to make sure I don't skip over any of the
stuff you've asked for. Thanks again.
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Message # 4149 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Alan Weston
From : James Jones
Subject : dial.sys
Date : 94/04/25 04:18:17
Here goes. I'm connected using laterm, after entering the command by
hand that ladial should be using given the dial.sys I have.
I'm using /t3. xmode shows type=80 baud=38400 xon=0 xoff=0 tabc=0, and
the rest is pretty much the usual. Hang on, let's try a little cutting
and pasting...
noupc bsb bsl echo lf null=0 nopause pag=24 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D
eof=1B reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07
type=80 baud=38400 xon=00 xoff=00 tabc=00 tabs=4
The strings are the same as those I use with OSTerm.
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Public Message
Message # 4206 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : MM/1 Clock
Date : 94/04/25 18:06:00
Bob van der Poel has been monitoring our recent discussions about the
MM/1 clock, and forwarded the following to me on Internet:
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 13:50:38 -0400
From: Bob van der Poel <76510.2203@compuserve.com>
To: <cmckay@northx.isis.org>
Subject: Clocks
I saw some chatter on Fido about the DST stuff in the mm/1 clock.
That feature can be toggled on/off. Here is a B09 program which
does just that.
PROCEDURE Clock_DST_toggle
(* This will toggle the daylight saving time auto-adjust flag on the
(* MC14681A (Dallas Semi DS1287). The addesses used here are for a
(* MM/1 computer -- other systems may use different addressing.
(* By Bob van der Poel, 92/10/16
DIM Clock_Sel,Clock_data:INTEGER
DIM Value:BYTE
Clock_Sel=$e00200+1
Clock_data=$e00200+3
(* Get the current value in clock REGISTER B. We are interested in Bit 0.
(* We toggle the value of Bit 0.
POKE Clock_Sel,11
v=PEEK(Clock_data)
IF LAND(v,1)=1 THEN
v=LAND(v,126)
ELSE v=LOR(v,1)
ENDIF
(* Now put the new value in the clock. Then we get it back and do our
(* reporting...
POKE Clock_Sel,11
POKE Clock_data,v
POKE Clock_Sel,11
v=PEEK(Clock_data)
PRINT "Daylight savings time adjustment ";
IF LAND(v,1)=0 THEN
PRINT "NOT ";
ENDIF
PRINT "enabled."
Thanks, Bob!
TTYL. Colin.
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Message # 4207 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Bob van der Poel
Date : 94/04/25 18:11:00
Next Reply is Message 4221
Oh, I should mention that Bob van der Poel has read-only
access to Fido, so please don't try sending him messages.
Thanks. Colin.
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Message # 4221 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: Bob van der Poel
Date : 94/04/26 10:41:41
Previous Reply is Message 4207
On Monday, April 25th, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> Oh, I should mention that Bob van der Poel has read-only
CM> access to Fido, so please don't try sending him messages.
CM> Thanks. Colin.
Colin,
Bob calls my BBS about 2 times a month and he can post on any echo
but usually does a quick capture of new mail and logs off. Saves on LD
costs. So if he sees something worth replying to he will just send from
his Compuserve account providing the addressee has an internet number.
But he can post on here if he has to.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org)
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Message # 4226 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : Re: RiBBS to OSK
Date : 94/04/24 01:56:00
Next Reply is Message 4236
Warren,
Did you know that Scott Griepentrog is working on an StG version 4 for the
MM/1. He doesn't have all the modules completed yet. He is trying to set it up
so it can be ported to different type of machines. It does use the termcap
files.
BTW:No I don't have the source. Just the StG V4 itself.
Paul Myles
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Message # 4236 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Paul Myles
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: RiBBS to OSK
Date : 94/04/27 07:18:52
Previous Reply is Message 4226
On Sunday, April 24th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
PM> Did you know that Scott Griepentrog is working on an StG version 4
PM> for the MM/1. He doesn't have all the modules completed yet. He is
PM> trying to set it up so it can be ported to different type of
PM> machines. It does use the termcap files.
Paul,
Along with UUCP, and KBBS we will have a full deck.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org) I am working on my UUCP
Internet (Usenet) address with UUCP on my MM/1.
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Message # 4242 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Eric Crichlow
Subject : _ss_play
Date : 94/04/28 00:36:07
Hopefully someone here has some experience with the _ss_play system
call, as I'm having troubles with it at the moment.
The first problem I have is, on most occassions that I make the
call, the sound seems to play at about half of the proper speed.
Sometimes, though, and apparently randomly, it plays at the proper
speed.
The second problem is this. I call _ss_play to correspond with
certain events occurring. Each event has its own sound, generally about
1 second long. Sometimes an event occurs twice almost simultaneously,
and _ss_play is called twice, for the same the same sound, with the
second call being issued before the first call has finished playing the
sound. When this happens, my program exits with I believe a bus trap
error.
Anyone seen similar errors before? Anyone have any insights as to
the causes or solutions?
]
...Thanx...
...Eric...
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Message # 4359 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP OSK bugs
Date : 94/05/01 10:49:04
Well after working with the UUCP for a few weeks I find that a serious
bug exists in how it reads the /dd/sys/password file. The only way I can
get it to send mail and receive mail to me (root@ocnbeach.jd.com) is if
I have 'root,rootpass,0.0,128,/dd/cmds,/dd,shell' as a first entry.
if I have my name 'warren,xxx,0.0,128,/dd/cmds,/dd/usr/warren, shell'
as the first line in password then it will make up a mail pkt with the
'reply--to warren@ocnbeach.jd.com' but it will not send it. The error I
get is a line in the log something like this;
'jadpc warrren etc etc etc ERROR rdmsg can't get (or read) file'.
I have checked attributes on the file, compiled with both versions
of password.h and still same bug. I have been able to send myself mail
from my fidonet system to 'warren@ocnbeach.jd.com' but it goes into my
/dd/usr/warren dir and mailx cant find it. If I copy the msg. pkts to
the /dd/usr/root dir then mailx will read it no problem.
I have also sent msg to Bob Billson and Bloisy about this but so far
no help received. What I can figure is Colin McKay has his password
file set with his name first and his works !!!
So if anyone is keeping a bug list consider adding this. I also
have not setup the news sections yet since I heard that had bug(s) in
where it put the news groups.
(warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org) or (root@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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Message # 4392 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Paul Myles
Subject : StG V4 OSK
Date : 94/04/30 02:24:00
WH> On Sunday, April 24th, 1994 - Paul Myles wrote:
WH>
PM> Did you know that Scott Griepentrog is working on an StG version 4
PM> for the MM/1. He doesn't have all the modules completed yet. He is
PM> trying to set it up so it can be ported to different type of
PM> machines. It does use the termcap files.
WH>
WH> Paul,
WH> Along with UUCP, and KBBS we will have a full deck.
WH> (warren_hrach@f343.n202.z1.fidonet.org) I am working on my UUCP
WH> Internet (Usenet) address with UUCP on my MM/1.
Warren,
I'll let you and everyone else know how StG V4 for OSK is coming along. I
do have what is already out. I do have StG V3 for the CoCo up and runnibg as
an offline reader for now. But do plan switching over to V4 when it is ready.
I don't completey have it set up yet. Too many other things going on.
Paul Myles
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Message # 4393 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Alan Dages
Subject : Bob van der Poel
Date : 94/04/28 11:48:00
> Oh, I should mention that Bob van der Poel has read-only
> access to Fido, so please don't try sending him messages.
OK Colin, I understand! Bob can only read so he will not be
able to to see what we say about him. Boy have I got a lot
to say about him! I'd better save it for the Chicago Fest,
it might be too hot to handle on this echo.....:-)
... I have no origin
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Message # 4408 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP OSK
Date : 94/05/02 13:38:29
Finally found my goofup in sending mail out with proper 'reply--to'
field. One must not have more than one superuser in password file,
Nuff said !
(warren@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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Message # 4459 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Colin Mckay
Subject : Re: UUCP OSK bugs
Date : 94/05/02 18:48:00
Next Reply is Message 4473
Warren,
I've got my UUCP setup up and running just fine, so I doubt that a
serious bug exists. I suspect that your setup is wrong.
Mail me your parameters, password file, tree structure of /dd/usr, and
your .login and startup files, and we'll go from there.
Do this on Internet, that way I'll get them faster.
I'll pass on your message to Bob Billson.
TTYL. Colin.
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Public Message
Message # 4473 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Colin Mckay
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: UUCP OSK bugs
Date : 94/05/04 13:54:40
Previous Reply is Message 4459
On Monday, May 2nd, 1994 - Colin Mckay wrote:
CM> I've got my UUCP setup up and running just fine, so I doubt that a
CM> serious bug exists. I suspect that your setup is wrong.
CM> Mail me your parameters, password file, tree structure of /dd/usr, and
CM> your .login and startup files, and we'll go from there.
CM> Do this on Internet, that way I'll get them faster.
CM> I'll pass on your message to Bob Billson.
Colin,
All is working fine now, I just had to do it the hard way, by
trial and error. My biggest hurdle is understanding how the UID is used
but now have the handle on that. Got to remember I run/ran RiBBS since
1988 and have to relearn how users are handled on the UUCP system.
I have been in contact on Internet with Bob and his and your hints
and help are what got me thru it.
A little addition in the docs with more samples for OSK would be
helpful and a fix for adduser. One has to edit the password entry and
fix the /dd/usr/(added user) ulogin to the .login used by OSK.
I am replying here for those thinking of setting up UUCP so that
they relize it can be done by a dodo like me and thus almost anyone can
do it.
I do like the speed which UUCP can be used to make up a msg and send
it out, even on my 2400 baud modem it really goes fast.
-Warren
(warren@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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Public Message
Message # 4479 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP Saga
Date : 94/05/05 09:05:16
The following is a clarification msg;
--------------------------- copy follows -----------------------------
To : All
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : UUCP OSK bugs
Date : 94/05/01 10:49:04
Well after working with the UUCP for a few weeks I find that a serious
bug exists in how it reads the /dd/sys/password file. The only way I can
get it to send mail and receive mail to me (root@ocnbeach.jd.com) is if
I have 'root,rootpass,0.0,128,/dd/cmds,/dd,shell' as a first entry.
if I have my name 'warren,xxx,0.0,128,/dd/cmds,/dd/usr/warren, shell'
as the first line in password then it will make up a mail pkt with the
'reply--to warren@ocnbeach.jd.com' but it will not send it. The error I
get is a line in the log something like this;
'jadpc warrren etc etc etc ERROR rdmsg can't get (or read) file'.
I have checked attributes on the file, compiled with both versions
of password.h and still same bug. I have been able to send myself mail
from my fidonet system to 'warren@ocnbeach.jd.com' but it goes into my
/dd/usr/warren dir and mailx cant find it. If I copy the msg. pkts to
the /dd/usr/root dir then mailx will read it no problem.
I have also sent msg to Bob Billson and Boisy about this but so far
no help received.
------------------------- clarification part -------------------------
For those that may take the previous sentence out of context and assume
that Bob Billson and/or Boisy Pitre are not responding to help requests
note that I am referring to the current progress I had as of this date,
May 1. I had replies earlier overnite and when several days went by
without a reply to this particular problem I posted the above. Since
then Bob replied and his last reply solved my problem. Boisy finally
replied complaining about this May 1 post. That is why this
clarification is posted.]*
---------------------------- Copy follows -----------------------------
I cant figure is Colin McKay has his password
file set with his name first and his works !!!
So if anyone is keeping a bug list consider adding this. I also
have not setup the news sections yet since I heard that had bug(s) in
where it put the news groups.
-------------------------- clarification 2nd part --------------------
The main reason for all this is to make those that may be interested
in setting up UUCP on their OSK machine informed and provide help.
Of course since I now have mine working I feel like an expert ! But
one should go to the original authors but I will help as best I can.
(warren@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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Message # 4635 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Warren Hrach
From : Stephen Seneker
Subject : MM/1 Serial Paddle boards wanted
Date : 94/05/08 18:21:00
Next Reply is Message 4649
Warren, who has paddle boards? I've finally obtained a good modem
an need one, maybe two. If you have one or know of someone with one
give me a call at 615-323-3059, or I can call you.
BTW, I'd also like to get a new mini-bus so I can use this exta memory
I've had for over a year. %-)
Stephen
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Message # 4649 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Stephen Seneker
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: MM/1 Serial Paddle boards wa
Date : 94/05/10 08:47:20
Previous Reply is Message 4635
Stephen,
The T3 and/or T4 paddleboard ports are available from me.
Download my 'orderhard.txt' file from the MM/1 official file area.
The 8meg minibus upgrade is on temp. hold.
(warren@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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Message # 4689 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : All
From : Stephen Seneker
Subject : MM/1 and High Speed modems
Date : 94/05/09 01:31:00
Next Reply is Message 4704
I having difficulities using /t0, a 14.4 modem, and RZ.
Specifically, rz has problems writing to disc(Conner CP30170) and
usually craps-out. However all is fine if files are wrote to /r0.
Humm, /t0 supports 19200 and hardware flow control. Which I have
enabled, along with increasing the port buffer sizes.
/t0 will have to suffice till I can obtain a /t3 /t4 paddle board.
Any ideas or suggestions will be appreciated. %-)
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Message # 4704 *MM1 TECH Echo*
To : Stephen Seneker
From : Warren Hrach
Subject : Re: MM/1 and High Speed modems
Date : 94/05/11 07:58:03
Previous Reply is Message 4689
On Monday, May 9th, 1994 - Stephen Seneker wrote:
SS> I having difficulities using /t0, a 14.4 modem, and RZ.
SS> Specifically, rz has problems writing to disc(Conner CP30170) and
SS> usually craps-out. However all is fine if files are wrote to /r0.
SS> Humm, /t0 supports 19200 and hardware flow control. Which I have
SS> enabled, along with increasing the port buffer sizes.
SS> /t0 will have to suffice till I can obtain a /t3 /t4 paddle board.
SS> Any ideas or suggestions will be appreciated. %-)
Stephen,
/T0 does not support hardware flow control ! (RTS,CTS).
Therefore set your modem to 'no flow control'. The AT(cmd) varies with
differant kinds of modems . The ZyXEL uses AT&H0 for none, H3 for
hardware and H4 for XON-XOFF.
The reason it barfs when saving to disk is cause the disk write
interuppts long enough to send the modem a Hardware handshake. The write
to Ram disk has no interuppts.
What term program are you using, Kterm supports all 3 variaties of
handshake control.
(warren@ocnbeach.jd.com)
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